1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to One Bills. Like the full court press version 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: of our daily show One Bills Live, We're here to 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: cram in as much Bills and NFL content as we 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: can in about forty minutes. In this episode, Steve and 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: I delve into the keep their own approach of the 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: Bills in free agency. The numbers game uses some Bills 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: draft history, NFL Executive VP of Football Operations Troy Vincent 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: joins us to talk live in person, NFL draft diversity, 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: equity and inclusion in the NFL, and some possible rules changes, 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: and we take a look at Buffalo's quarterback contingent in 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: Something's Gotta give ut hut At a Steve tester who 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: has been all all of our fields. Kind of unique. 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: He was kind of a dual role player for you, 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: state Steve, a blimp. We're not even in the stratosphere 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: of normalcy to be with you here on One Bill's line. 16 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: Chris Brown here, Steve Tasker there, and Steve. The free 17 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: agency wave for the Bills has seemingly crested. And while 18 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: I don't think by any means that Buffalo is officially 19 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: done tinkering with their roster, it appears as though the 20 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: focus of the front office has steadily shifted to the 21 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: draft as we creep up on April. Yeah, it's not 22 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: gonna be much longer before they're gonna have, you know, 23 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: they're gonna have a full cut compliment players head to 24 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: training camp in the off season. Now, there may still 25 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: be even after the draft and after free agency wraps up, 26 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: and even one of the off season get togethers, maybe 27 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: maybe one of the if they do virtual or if 28 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: they do in person in house stuff and they get 29 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: out on the field, they may tinker with the roster 30 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: even more, release a couple of guys and bring a 31 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: couple of guys on. But you're talking about the bottom 32 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: of the roster going to training camp, and pretty much 33 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: it's gonna be said. I think this for the first 34 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: time under the Sean McDermott regime. You're not going out 35 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: wholesale changing a position group. Yeah, certainly, there there's gonna 36 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: be a couple of new faces on the defensive line rotation, 37 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: but you're talking about two out of eight guys. So 38 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: with fa Obata coming in and the departure of Trent 39 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: Murphy and u Or Quinton Jefferson, Jefferson, starlotwo Le they 40 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: back in the fold, they'll probably bring one more guy 41 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: in there at least. Uh. Yeah, So for the first 42 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: time Sean McDermott has I think kind of the roster 43 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: he'd like to head forward with. Yeah, And the cap 44 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: situation is part of this too. We saw earlier in 45 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: the week that the Bills created some more cap space 46 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: by picking up the option bonus in Tredavious White's contract 47 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: that basically guarantees the final year of his deal in 48 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, but also creates cap space this year 49 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: for them. That was in the contract from the beginning 50 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: when he signed the extension last summer. The Bills doing 51 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: that knowing they were in the midst of a pandemic 52 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: there were going to be revenue losses, so this was 53 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: a thing they put into tradevious White's contract and Dion 54 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: Dawkins contract for that matter, as fail safes to create 55 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: cap space in anticipation of a possible reduction of the 56 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: salary cap. That's in fact what happened. So they created 57 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: the cap space. But I'm wondering if it's primarily with 58 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 1: the idea of being able to sign their draft class, 59 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: because according to overthcap dot com spot track, you know 60 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: those two great sites that really keep track of all 61 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: of this. They have the Bills at about eight million 62 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: dollars under the cap, and most draft classes are going 63 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: to need eight to ten million dollars to be signed 64 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: by their respective clubs. Fortunately for the Bills, they're drafting 65 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: late in most of the rounds, so their numbers will 66 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: be a little bit lower than the team's drafting in 67 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: the top ten. But that gives indication that for all 68 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: intents and purposes, any big things going on in free 69 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: agency will not involve the Bills unless they take some 70 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: drastic measures with the roster, and Brandon Bean said Steve 71 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: not to expect any big splashes and there weren't any 72 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: in terms of new additions. Where would you rank though 73 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: the Emmanuel Sanders and Jacob Hollister additions in terms of 74 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: potential impact on the offense, Well, I I'm all about 75 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: it because this is an offense that throws it first. 76 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: And you know, if you know, I've said that looking 77 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: to improve the running game for this offense is looking 78 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: for award on Miss America. I mean, this offense was homing. 79 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: They scored more points than any offense in Bill's history. 80 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: It doesn't need to be fixed if you can hone 81 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: it and change it and sharpen it up and get 82 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: and do some financial things like trade John Brown basically functionally, 83 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: you traded John Brown for Emmanuel Sanders. All about it. 84 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: It's it's great. I don't think you need to think 85 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: about you know, in Hollister, same thing, Tyler Croft, Jacob Hollister, Okay, great. 86 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: You need to keep humming offensively, And I think it's 87 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: a nod towards what this team knows it's going to 88 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: be able to do. They're going to score points now, 89 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: certainly they scored twenty nine and a half points on 90 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: average last year. That's a ton. Yeah, that's a ton. 91 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: If they can stay there or even tick it up 92 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: a couple of notches, they're even down a notch or two, 93 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: they're gonna still be fine right over the long haul 94 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: of the season. So they need they know they've got 95 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: their offense about where they need it, and putting those 96 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: players in are going to be able to get that. 97 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: If they get into a tight spot with injuries or whatever, 98 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna be deep enough and have enough quality veteran 99 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: backups and guys who can move around and continue to 100 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: hum along offensively. I think I like I love the 101 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,799 Speaker 1: signings Emmanuel Sanders. I think he's gonna make a bigger 102 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: impact than Hollister will I don't know that Hollister has 103 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: it in him to beat Dawson Knox out of a lineup, 104 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: but maybe if he does, it's all the better. It 105 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: just means you're that much better. This is what I 106 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: like about Hollister. What Hollister does for this offense is 107 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: he diversified it because of his own versatility. When Lee 108 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: Smith came on the field, for the most part, you 109 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: knew what that meant. Okay, blocking guy, inline guy, essentially 110 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: like a sixth offensive lineman. Yes, he would leak out 111 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: and surprise some people in the red zone. Caught a 112 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: couple of touchdown passes. That was great. Hollister can do 113 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: just about everything out there on the field. Now. He 114 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: has not an elite tight end by any means, but 115 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: I think he's good at just about everything you ask 116 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: of a tight end. And I think that gives Brian 117 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: Dable options. And when you think about the offense, yes, 118 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: as you said, supremely successful last year. But Dable is 119 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: a tinkerer. He always likes to tweak things, change things 120 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: just a little bit so the opponent can't get a 121 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: read on him. Those opponents are pouring over Bill's offensive 122 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: film all off season. We know that. I think Hollister 123 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: gives Brian Dable an extra tool in his toolbox to 124 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: move around the field in a multitude of ways. Even 125 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: with Knox on the field together, that could diversify this 126 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: offense even further going forward. That's what That's what they 127 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: may like Hollister on the field a lot more than 128 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: like Tyler Croft. Crofts certainly took over for Dawson Knox, 129 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: but those two guys were rarely on the field together, 130 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: and certainly they didn't go thirteen personnel with three tight 131 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: ends and they were too much of the same thing. Yeah, 132 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: they but they were so successful doing what they were doing. 133 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: They were really heavy in certain personnel combinations, the four 134 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: wide and three wide. Now the four wide kind of 135 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: went away when John Brown went away for five or 136 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: eight games, but that the three wide was still their 137 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: bread and butter. I mean, they just never went away 138 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: from it. So I think this year they're gonna have 139 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: to come up with something they can be just as 140 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: productive in if they can with different personnel, because they've 141 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: got to be more diversified, because when you start to 142 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: you know, when you start to put the same people 143 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: out there every week, you start to get predictable, and 144 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: that's the one thing that's that's a death knell in 145 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: the NFL. And to this point, we haven't seen an 146 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: addition at cornerback. Levi Wallace was brought back into the fold. Well, 147 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: we haven't seen an addition at cornerback or at offensive tackle, 148 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: which would seem to leave those as positions of priority 149 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: in the draft. Not a position of emergency per se, 150 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: but certainly a priority. Right. Yeah, they still need some 151 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: depth at corner, even if it's just depth, even if 152 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: it's just a warm body with a pulse. You know, 153 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: they just need some guys. Levi Wallace and Dane Jackson 154 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: are not are not enough. You're gonna have to have 155 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: another guy to compete with those guys and to be 156 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: in the in the folder or somebody that can play 157 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: corner and safety or corner and nickel. So you've got 158 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: to get some some more bodies out there. You Tredavious White, 159 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: and that's given the fact that hopefully Tredavious White doesn't 160 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: get nicked, right, So, yeah, they need some more quality 161 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: people outside and opposite Tardavious White to take the field. 162 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: I thinking this, and I think that's really defensively, I 163 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: think that's what you're looking at. I think every place else, 164 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: I think they feel really good about their ability to 165 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: take the feel and go. Certainly, we may see see 166 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: them draft a d lineman, a linebacker or a corner, 167 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean they expect those guys to come 168 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: in and plug in and play. And then, just with 169 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: respect to offensive tackle, as we've discussed on our daily 170 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: show One Bills Live, they need a swing tackle. Yeah, 171 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: I think that's a spot. Yeah, Ryan Bates can play tackle, 172 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: but I think his ideal position is probably guard, and 173 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: so I don't know if you want to turn to 174 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: that kind of a player. Nothing against Ryan Bates. I 175 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: think he's a good player. I just don't know if 176 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: tackle is his calling card, and so I would expect 177 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: them to try to find one of those as well. 178 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: And if if your swing tackle is coming in the draft, Steve, 179 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: that's got to be somebody on the first two days, 180 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: because it's got to be somebody you feel confident is 181 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: going to be able to step in and hold the 182 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: fourth I think one of your starters is out. I 183 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: think more more than likely they'll still sign a tackle 184 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: in the free agency. It's possible. And no wait until 185 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: the guy just says, you know what, I want someplace 186 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: to play. It's coming down like a like a Villaineueva 187 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: from uh he's still at Pittsburgh, still out there. That 188 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: would be a perfect guy because you're not expecting him 189 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: to come in and play sixteen games. He's long in 190 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: the tooth, but he's got a lot of a lot 191 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: of leadership qualities. He's got a ton of experience. He 192 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: comes with a big body, and if you could talk 193 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: him into saying, hey, come out, finish your career up here, 194 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,599 Speaker 1: stay ready, teach our young guys how to play and 195 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: enjoy the ride. If you want one more year in 196 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: the league, we can give it to you. And that's 197 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: that kind of guy would be what they're looking for, 198 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: and that would be perfect time for our numbers game. Steve, 199 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: and this week we turn the page to the NFL 200 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: Draft and we delve into a little bit of Bill's 201 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: draft history concerning round one choices. Since nineteen eighties, Steve, 202 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: the Bills have drafted twentieth or later in Round one, 203 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,239 Speaker 1: A total of sixteen times. This will be the seventeenth 204 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: time this year they pick thirtieth. As you know, I 205 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:15,479 Speaker 1: need you to tell me the three most popular position 206 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: groups of Buffalo's draft choices with those sixteen selections that 207 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: took place at pick twenty or later in round one, 208 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: bottom thirty. Are you ready? Let's fire up the music. 209 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: Here we go, numbers game this week. Give position group 210 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: when the Bills picked late in the draft first round. Yeah, 211 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: give me the three most popular I'll take. I'll take 212 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: the top three position. I'm gonna say running back. Running 213 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: back is number two on the list. Four times the 214 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: Bills have taken running backs after pick twenty in round one. 215 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say wide receiver. Wide receiver is not in 216 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: the top three. That was only once. Eric Molds in 217 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. Is a good one. Let's say. Uh second, 218 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: I'll say offensive line. You have to be specific, guarder. 219 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: Offensive line is correct third on the list. Three times 220 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: that happened offensive line and will Will Woolford was one 221 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: in eighty six, Eric Wood in two thousand and nine. 222 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: Now I gotta see if I can remember the other one. 223 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: Ruling Brown, No, No, he was too high. He was 224 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: picked fourteen. This is picked twenty or later. Oh, John Feena, 225 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: Jo John Feena was the third one. I will say 226 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: offensive line water's e. I'm gonna say corner cornerback is correct. 227 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: This was the means by which I came up with 228 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: this because I said to myself, where the Bills picked 229 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: most often when they're picking late in round one, and 230 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: since nineteen eighty they have chosen a cornerback five times five. 231 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: Let me see if correct. Let's let's take a shot 232 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: at this. Let's see how many of these guys who 233 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: can get uh, I don't think hold on, he might 234 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 1: have been too we might have been too good. When 235 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: Nate Odoms, I have to double check because he might 236 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: have He might have been like pick twenty nine, but 237 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: it was he might it was in the second round. 238 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: Then I want to say, but I'm not one hundred 239 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: percent sure. I don't have the list in us. Say uh, 240 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: Nate Clements, Nate Clemens is correct. I know that's right. 241 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: Derek Burrows, Derek Burrows, I'm again, I'm not one hundred 242 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: percent sure. But he was late in the first round 243 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: or early. Henry Jones. Henry Jones was was a listed 244 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: as a corner, but he played safety, so I didn't 245 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: really count him. But if you do count him, it's 246 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: six not five times. I'll say, Wow, that's a good one. Um, 247 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: he's a better question, though, I know two others for 248 00:13:54,600 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: sure off the top of my head. Let's see, Oh, 249 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: Antoine Wine Antoine Winfield is correct. McKee, I'm sorry, I 250 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: can't remember the kick returns name. What's his name? The 251 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: kick returner, kickoff returner for the Buffalo Bills. It Oh, 252 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: Terence McGee. He was in fourth round? Yeah, all right, yeah, 253 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: he was a fine Uh how about that. There's one 254 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: more that I know for sure? First round draft. I 255 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: can't remember. He was even a Tasker's teammate. Really, Yeah, 256 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: he's got in two hits lists all right, Uh, it 257 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: wasn't Dwight dreamed and generals to say, recent one go 258 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: to the closer to the bottom of your list. Kirby Jackson. 259 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: Not Nope, not Kirby Jackson. Who is it? Hold on? 260 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: I might, I don't, m might not put him on 261 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: the list verse Jeff Burris, Okay, Jeff brush Orming on 262 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: my list. He should be on there. You better put 263 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: him on because he was a Tasker's teammate. As you know, 264 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: he was not all too happy that it took a 265 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: long time for remember on my list again. I love 266 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: that Gid too and I and I've totally distracted him 267 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: in our in our Nate Clemens, Jeff Burrus, Antoine Winfield. 268 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: I have to double check on some of these. I 269 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: should I should have brought the list in with me. 270 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: I only brought the numbers game list, so that's a 271 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: bad on me. I will try to run through that 272 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: list in the next episode of the podcast, so in 273 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: case people are wondering, we can rattle that off to them. 274 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, it could quarterback. And as I have said 275 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: on our show, I think it could happen again. Yeah, 276 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: I think I think it could happen again. I think 277 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: it very well might. And I think it's either I 278 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be uh, that corner position, or I 279 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a big guy, an offensive lineman. Yeah, uh, 280 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: certainly if there's an edge. Now there's no edgeressures thirty. 281 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: There might be because the quarterbacks are gonna push some 282 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: talent down and there there aren't too many elite, elite 283 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: pass rushing talents in this draft. So now it becomes 284 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: different strokes for different folks, and between fifteen and thirty 285 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: there can be a lot of variants at great. So 286 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: do you think, though they're gonna do that again, ed Oliver, 287 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so. I don't either. I 288 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't know. I we'll see, but 289 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: you know, we don't know anything. Maybe on the first 290 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: two days, though, I get another one. You got two 291 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: guys that are long in the tooth, and Edison and Hughes, 292 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: there's no way they take one of the aten or 293 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: Um Naji Harris, because I wouldn't think so. Um. Those 294 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: guys will be there later. But this is a question 295 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: that we'll have to ask, Brandon being if we get 296 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: them on before the draft, which will be do your 297 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: priorities shift at all when you feel you're this close 298 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: in terms of your draft approach, Like do you take 299 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: a swing and take a chance on a running back 300 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: in round one? Don't know if you really feel like 301 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: it's an over the top move. I don't. I don't 302 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: think you can't deviate from what got you here. It's 303 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: gonna help you. I agree, But it's still a question 304 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: we need to ask. All right, good stuff, Steve makes 305 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: you wonder if history will repeat itself this spring with 306 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: the Bills currently holding the thirtieth overall pick. Time now 307 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: for our very interesting discussion with NFL Executive Vice President 308 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: of Football Operations Troy Vincent, who covers a wide range 309 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: of issues that the league is dealing with right now. 310 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: Here is Troy Vincon. Troy, good to see your face, 311 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, and I guess we should 312 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: start with the news that the league released today. NFL 313 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: Draft is going to take place in Cleveland. It looks 314 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: like it's the virtual days of the draft at least 315 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: are partially over. Well, let me begin by just saying 316 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: what you two are some of my favorite people, two 317 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: of my favorite people. Oh wow, look at that he's 318 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: laying it on you. Pick early here, Steve. I'm just 319 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: want to say for you're an intricate part. That's kind 320 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: of who I was and what I did in the 321 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: community when I was a Bill And just Steve, you know, 322 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: just respect that I have for you as a player, 323 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: as a legend in Miami, washing you domin is for 324 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: many years. Thanks for having me again the draft, Yes, 325 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: it's here, and there were some things that we learned 326 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: last year from a virtual standpoint that will incorporate this year, 327 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: but the plans are to have a live event. I 328 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: began reaching out to prospects to see if it's something 329 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: that they would wouldn't mind joining us and us celebrating 330 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: their collegiate careers and as we look towards the future stars, 331 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: so we're looking forward to going to Cleveland. One thing is, 332 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: since you're laying it on thick for us, let me 333 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: just say this, I gotta congratulate. I don't know how 334 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: much you've heard of this. I think it was one 335 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: of the great accomplishments in American sports for you guys 336 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: to get two hundred and fifty six regular season games 337 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: in during the global pandemic and the playoffs and the 338 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Certainly there were some snaffoos and some hiccups 339 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: along the way, but to get all two hundred and 340 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: fifty six games in. What was the attitude in the 341 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: office there at Park Avenue in the office when you 342 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: guys got all those games and you had to take 343 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: a great deal of pride in that. Yes, and I 344 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: would say it began with teamwork. When people talk about 345 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: like the values of our game and what the values? 346 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: What does the game do? I saw teamwork, Steve at 347 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: his best. I saw people working together for a common interest. 348 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: That's the player, that's the coach, that's the principal owner, 349 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: that's the players associations. We were just aiming towards. Hey, 350 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: we gotta be flexible. Don't ever take it personal. It's 351 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: not going to be equal. We talk about equity all 352 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: the time, and we have to follow the science. And 353 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: that's really like, Okay, what's the barometer we begin every discussion, 354 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: what's the medical community saying? How can we apply that 355 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: to our daily business? And I would just say the 356 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: teamwork and doctor seals Jeff Miller, Donna Ponte, who works 357 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: directly with myself without and Larry VERIZIONI. I've shared this 358 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: with the commissioner and others all the time. It does 359 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: not happen. They were the glue to getting seventeen games, 360 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 1: I mean two hundred and fifty six games in seventeen weeks. 361 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: Every week we had to adjust and we did it. 362 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: I mean a compliment the players of coaches. Everyone had 363 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 1: to remain flexible. I got worried, maybe once or twice, 364 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: that we were running out options as we saw the 365 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: infection take place in different cities. Okay, as we started 366 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: marching towards week thirteen, we start losing some of our 367 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: options and flexibility on schedule, but we did it, got 368 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: to the playoffs and had a fabulous Super Bowl. How 369 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: was it? Troy? Maybe just take us behind the scenes 370 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: a little bit in some of those moments that raised 371 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: the level of stress in dealing with pivoting front and 372 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: reacting to some of the things that the virus was 373 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,479 Speaker 1: doing in various NFL cities, Like did you guys just 374 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: have doctor Sills on speed dial? I mean was I 375 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: mean this guy like all of us, all of us 376 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: speed dial, zoomed dial, you call it, and Chris I 377 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: would say this. We started off one way and as 378 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: the season progressed week three or four, the contact tracing 379 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: we had we didn't have that figured out early on, 380 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: but I believe once we I once we realize how 381 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: the contact tracing worked inside of the system the process, 382 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: once we were able to identify, isolate, and contain possible spread, 383 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: then we were able to move forward with scheduling a game. 384 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: Once we got those strengths, those three areas down, we 385 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: knew it. That process took about six weeks into the 386 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: regular season, but once we got it again, identify the problem, 387 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: isolate the problem, then contain it. Now we were able 388 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: to schedule games. And as you and now with the 389 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: with the season that has happened, you got moved into 390 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: the off season, free agency has gone off without I 391 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: hitch so far. Now you're looking at the draft. How 392 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: is the seventeenth game? What kind of curveball has that made, 393 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: if any, for the scheduling for facility availability, you know, 394 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: you know, stadiums, the equity of an odd number of games? 395 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: How is that? You know? How's that formulation? No, no, no, eyeball, Steve. 396 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: I look at it as just from my view now 397 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: as I'm thinking back as a a former player, it 398 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: actually presents some some opportunities here. Want some flexibility, maybe 399 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: on the international front, but I like the idea of 400 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: being able to create some competitiveness inside the conference, being 401 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: able to schedule some some games that you that we 402 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: the schedule doesn't allow us to do in sixteen games, 403 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: but there's some matchups I think that we all would 404 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: like to see in conference that I think that I 405 00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: believe the seventeen game that flexibility it allows to do 406 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: so again, the odd number would just deal with that, 407 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: I do believe eventually we'll get to potentially even making 408 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: that even But I believe both the players, obviously the fans, 409 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: this is a win win for all club ownership, players, fans. 410 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: They could be good for the game. I really do. 411 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: And then, just with respect Troy, and you may not 412 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: be able to answer this because there's not enough information 413 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,959 Speaker 1: for the league to make a decision yet, But just 414 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: with respect to OTA's and mini camps, which we all 415 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: know we're fully virtual last year, it still doesn't look 416 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: like it's come into complete focus in terms of what 417 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: you'll be able to and not to do. Because we're 418 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: dealing with a national vaccine nation rollout. We know that 419 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: twenty and thirty somethings are not going to be high 420 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: on the vaccination list. So we may very well get 421 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: to April and May and even June and there might 422 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: still be an awful lot of players out there who 423 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: have not been vaccinated. Are there certain things bars you 424 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: guys are trying to clear before you can say, you 425 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: know what, we can have an in person OTA schedule 426 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: or an in person June mini camp schedule. Well, that 427 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 1: conversation is a daily conversation. I had had an opportunity 428 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: to participate at least last week's call with Cherman Mara, 429 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: Commissioner Goodell and D and JC Tredder to talk about Okay, 430 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: what does phase one, phase two, and phase three look like? 431 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: Always following the science, I think Doctor Seals has taught 432 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: us all that we should. We're still in a pandemic 433 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: and there were things that worked last offseason from a 434 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: virtual standpoint, So what's the integration being reasonable and responsible 435 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: we saw at work last year or elements at work. 436 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: We're in a different place now. Vaccinations are now increasing, 437 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: we see in hospitalization race or now decreasing. What can 438 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: we do to be responsible both for the organization, the players, 439 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: the staff that are there coming back in the rookies, 440 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: the veterans. So that's a daily conversation and I think 441 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: it would be a resolved here fairly quickly. But when 442 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: I say both sides meaning Chairman Marra d Commissioner Larry 443 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: VERIZONI the teams are working. Hey, let's try to find 444 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: be reasonable and responsible getting the guys back and where 445 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: we do know one thing, the club facilities are the 446 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: safest places for the for the men to work out. 447 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: Many are coming in down to rehab. We really the clubs, 448 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: the coaches, the players, they don't want to be off 449 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: site working out. Let's get him into a secure facility, 450 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: which we've seen works over the last year and see 451 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: if we can we can put some things together to 452 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: get the guys back into the facility to get prepared 453 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: for this next run. I know, with everything else on 454 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: your on your plate with the COVID and trying to 455 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: get guys, like you say, all these things, these extra 456 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: layers of difficulty that you guys have to navigate through. 457 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: What about the old things that we always worry about 458 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: in the off season, like rule changes, and we've heard 459 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: rumors that they're going to consider a sky judge for 460 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: these games. What is the what's on the front and center, 461 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: what's on the front burner for that stuff. Well, tomorrow 462 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: we actually complete our committee report, so we have our 463 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: final competition committee call. It's been interesting, you know from 464 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: the booth official that was a proposal that was submitted 465 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: by the Baltimore Ravens of a booth judge. We think 466 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: we're in a good place with replay and an administration 467 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: of replay. There's been some we see Philadelphia submitted the 468 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: fourth and fifteen. So we've had some interesting as we 469 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: always do that the committee events and this is where 470 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: I love Steve, I love the democratic process. And the 471 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: Bills had a resolution that they proposed about moving the 472 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: hiring cycle towards to a Super Bowl play or after 473 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: the championship run. So there's a different different opinions of 474 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: why we should why we shouldn't. I just find it interesting. 475 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: The one thing that I that I'm proud of of 476 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: each of the proposals that have come in both from 477 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: the club and from the committee is the possible elimination 478 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: of the cut block. And that's something that our medical staff, 479 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: doctor Yorke and his committee and a biocore team trying 480 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: to reduce unnecessary risk that mobile block, that blocking in 481 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: space creates, the unnecessary risk that we don't want one 482 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: from a head of neck injury standpoint and lower extremity injuries. 483 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: So seeing that as a as a former player and 484 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: being able to appreciate taking things out of game to people, 485 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's just not good for the game. To 486 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: see that proposal being submitted by Coaches Subcommittee and the 487 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: Competition Committee and the efforts that we've made eliminating the 488 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: blindside block. We look at kickoff, kickoff return, the better helmets, 489 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: the elimination of the cut block in the box, which 490 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: we we'll see and we'll discuss that tackle to tackle 491 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: box eliminating that and then out in space. You know, 492 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: so you can still cut inside of that that tackle box, 493 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: but in space eliminating that. That's good for the bigs 494 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: as well as the guys want to back in talking 495 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: to NFL Executive vice President of Football Operations Troy Vincent 496 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: and Troy, I know you've kind of been front and 497 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: center in playing a role with the diversity and inclusion 498 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: initiatives in the league, and we saw at least some 499 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: measure of traction at the GM level Martin Mayhew, Brad Holmes, 500 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: Terry Fontineau. We've seen some measure of traction with respect 501 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: to women in the game. You know, coaches being hired, 502 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: officials now on staffs across the league. You know, officiating 503 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,719 Speaker 1: games got a couple of women now in the fold. 504 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: So what about the coaching ranks though, that I think 505 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: is where a lot of people feel, you know, the 506 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: hirings kind of came up short. David Culley obviously was 507 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: a new ad as a person of color, but where 508 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: where do you guys kind of forge the path forward 509 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: and do you have to change it in terms of 510 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: the means and the initiatives you're trying to undertake here 511 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: to foster a greater degree of change than we're seeing 512 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: right now at the coaching level, because I would say 513 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: daily conversation and you nailed it. There was progress when 514 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: you look at the totality. We didn't end up where 515 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: we thought we would from a head coaching standpoint, but 516 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: we do celebrate and I think it's important that we 517 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: acknowledge those who were able to obtain those leadership roles. 518 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: You mentioned the three GMS. You look at Anthony, Lee Lynn, 519 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: you look at where we ended up with some of 520 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: the damco Ryan. We made progress in a lot of 521 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: different areas. So today we examined from the policies, from 522 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: our identification of talent. The gender side. I mean, I'm 523 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: still having a hard time putting my arms around why 524 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: are we still having this discussion around inclusion and gender, 525 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: Like we're almost sudden that we just began twenty twenty 526 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: one and we still are talking about inequalities for women 527 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: Like that blows my mind. This is where we as men, 528 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: like we gotta just we need there are more men 529 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: that believe anyclusion and any equality than those who don't. 530 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: We just got to keep forging forward. So hey, we'll 531 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: re examine under Daijah Smith and Cherman Rooney's leadership, we're 532 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: examining the policies. Anything need to be tweaked in a 533 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: Rooney rule, anything needs to be tweaked in our anti 534 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: tampering policy. We'll look at the proposed the resolution that 535 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: was submitted by Buffalo. It's a daily talk, is a 536 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: daily discussion. We think we're in a good spot based 537 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: off of some of the things that were implemented a 538 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: year ago. Again, didn't make the progress we did on 539 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: the head coaching side, but we made a lot of rahere, 540 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: a lot of progress in the hiring totality, but we 541 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: got some work to do so and we just heard 542 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: this offseason that Maya Chaka becomes the first you know, 543 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: she's gonna be an actual she's gonna be a white hat. Correct, Yes, 544 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: so she's aligned JET. So it's once again we talk 545 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: about historical moments. Come on, we need to normalize these things. 546 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean, Sarah Thomas was had a wonderful season. She 547 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: was the first female official. We got May the first 548 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: African American. We got to normalize these things, which starts 549 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: with presenting opportunities for both women, women and people of color. 550 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: So again we gotta just I'm gonna I'm gonna put 551 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: the onus on the men, the men that lead these organizations, 552 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: that are that run these organizations we got. We gotta 553 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: get current. We gotta become current in our thinking. From trainers, 554 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: we should be instituting women and talent across. Forget color, 555 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: but we should be looking for the best. But I'm 556 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: happy about Maashaka. I mean, think about this, one hundred 557 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: and one years of football prison. We had our first 558 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: black crew Week eleven, had another week seventeen that most 559 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: didn't notice. We got to normalize those things. We shouldn't 560 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: be talking about that, not in twenty twenty one. So 561 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: it just shows you, Hey, the National Football League, like 562 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: other organizations, we got work to do. But if we 563 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: want to be the premium sport and what we call 564 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: the true melting pot of America, we look at our 565 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: fan base. We could represent excellence. We could do that. 566 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: We could be a model, we could be a living 567 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: example of what it can be. So I'm looking forward 568 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: to it. I'm hopeful, I'm happy that leadership is aiming 569 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: in that direction, and I'm looking forward to this offseason. 570 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: And I know I don't have to tell you or 571 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: Steve this, but sports in general, you know, is probably 572 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: ahead of the curve in most cases in terms of 573 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: multicultural integration because the locker room can be made up 574 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: of just about anybody. But you know, I kind of 575 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: go back. It's almost a year ago now, it's it's 576 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: crazy to think about this, but on the heels of 577 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: the George Floyd incident, I know that our organization had 578 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: Leslie Frasier get together with everybody on a zoom call 579 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: and kind of lead a zoom call. And I know 580 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: you know Leslie well because he was your DB's coach 581 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: with the Eagles, but I gotta tell you, Troy, it 582 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: was one of the most eye opening zoom calls that 583 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: I have ever been a part of. And I know 584 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,719 Speaker 1: zoom was very young at that time, but like we 585 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: were sitting down and I think I consider myself a 586 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: pretty well rounded and cultured person in terms of respecting 587 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: other people's cultures and backgrounds, but just the emotion that 588 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: he brought to it was just so eye opening. Even 589 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: for me, a person that grew up in the greater 590 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: New York City area who was exposed to a wide 591 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: variety of backgrounds, just because New York is such a 592 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:16,720 Speaker 1: melting pot. Just the knowledge base that someone like Leslie 593 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: Frasier can come from, I just think it's such a 594 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: valuable tool for this league to utilize going forward. And Chris, 595 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: we lived at out our sport. I mean, think about 596 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: this task. The one thing we know, we're in the 597 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: locker room game day, the last thing we think about 598 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: is color. Hey, when you are in that huddle, it 599 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: was about Jim Thurman. Andre I mean you would just 600 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: think about let's just make the play here, who got 601 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: the ball or what color he or she was. But 602 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: the organization, all of our organizations you mentioned Leslie, Each 603 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 1: of our organizations are made up of great men and women. 604 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: Sometimes we're not willing to listen. And here we're at 605 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: that place now. I think our society in twenty twenty 606 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,959 Speaker 1: it was a true turning and a true awakening for all. 607 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: So each of our organizations have great people like Leslie, 608 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: great players. We just have to be willing to listen 609 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: and here, because we do have differences, which are good 610 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: but we got to have civic conversation, civil conversation so 611 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: that we can move forward. Troy. Last last thing I 612 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: gotta ask him is about the coming season. You had 613 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 1: a lot of work to do with yourselves, de Marie Smith. 614 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: You know, JC tread Or, the union and the league 615 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 1: really had to work together this last season to get 616 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: a lot of things done. Is there any issues that 617 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: you guys still have to iron out. You don't have 618 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: to give us details, but are there big issues that 619 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: are I mean, you just signed a deal, but you 620 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 1: had to almost renegotiate it immediately to get the season going. 621 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: What what other things issues are? First of all from 622 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: the league's perspective, what issues do you want to talk 623 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: to the union about going forward? And what do they 624 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: want to talk to you about going forward? What's what's 625 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: the next thing on the labor relations front. I don't 626 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: think there's any issue Steve here. I think we showed 627 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: last year, and I think, say the year before last, 628 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: you put a ten year labor agreement in place, you 629 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,439 Speaker 1: get through a you put two hundred and fifty six 630 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: games in seventeen weeks, you had a successful Super Bowl. 631 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: I think it showed all of us the power of 632 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: collaboration and teamwork. We got through two hundred and fifty 633 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: six game. If we can get through that, come on 634 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: phase one, phase two of an off season. You just 635 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: signed a media deal, which is good for the game 636 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: for everyone. The fan doesn't want to hear anybody talk 637 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: about millionaires and billionaires talking about paragraph five and who's 638 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: making what. They want to see games. They want to 639 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,439 Speaker 1: start building a fantasy football team. I do. There's no 640 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 1: no pending issues, nothing that we can't resolve or leadership, 641 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: and I think this is what d and and Commissioner 642 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: Goodell has done day fours. There's nothing like labor peace. 643 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: And when you have labor peace, the pandemic is a 644 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,479 Speaker 1: great example. If you can get through that, there's nothing 645 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: we can't discuss or we can't resolve. The fans want 646 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 1: to see games, the players want to play, and club 647 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: principal owners want to see the fandom that exists in 648 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: the thirty two cities. Troy, real quick before we let 649 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: you go. Just getting back to our initial issue thing 650 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: that we brought up the NFL Draft being in Cleveland, 651 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: I saw NFL Networks Judy Batista did tweet out that 652 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: we don't know yet in terms of how many fans 653 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: will be allowed to congregate there and enjoy the draft 654 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: over the two or three days. I'm guessing you guys 655 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: are kind of at the mercy of what the municipal 656 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 1: protocols are at that time come late April, so you're 657 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: kind of in a holding pattern, is that right? Yes, 658 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: And it's always been that way. Always go through CDC guidelines, 659 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: state and local regulation. And then we go back to 660 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: doctor Seals and his team, and we had Jeff from there. 661 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: All right, very good, lays a pleasure to speak to you. 662 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 1: Thanks for giving us some time today. We appreciate it. 663 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: Thank you, gentlemen, appreciate you both. All right, Steve, we 664 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: close this episode with a look at Buffalo's quarterback room. 665 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about free agency at the top 666 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: of the episode. Here the position of quarterback for the 667 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: Bills largely unchanged from last season, but the loan free 668 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: agent is not returning. Matt Barkley was essentially replaced by 669 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,800 Speaker 1: free agent Mitch Trubisky, which I see as an upgrade 670 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: in terms of skill set. But the discussion we're gonna 671 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,280 Speaker 1: have here, Steve, deals with the numbers at the position. 672 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,359 Speaker 1: It's safe to say that Josh Allen and Trubisky are 673 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 1: on the roster is the number one and number two quarterbacks. 674 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: But in this week's edition of Something's Got to Give, 675 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: what do we think happens with QB three and QB four? 676 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: In Davis Webb and Jake From. That's really interesting if 677 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: you're if you're thinking about who you gotta keep, it's 678 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: not about so much about which one can play, I 679 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: don't think. I think it's about which one gets the 680 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: one guy and the two guy ready and if he 681 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,359 Speaker 1: becomes the if the three guy becomes the two guy, 682 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: can he do what the two guys supposed to do. 683 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: Get the number one guy now ready to play. Uh. 684 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: Davis Webb has been valuable in that we've heard about 685 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: how he wants to get into coaching. He wants to 686 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: be one of those guys that gives him a skill 687 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 1: set in a mindset and the reputation in the coaches 688 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: rooms that he's gonna be that guy and play that 689 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: role for you. I think that plays well. Uh. Same 690 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 1: thing with Jake From. He's been one of those kids. 691 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: It's real heady kind of player, not blessed with not 692 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 1: blessed with great physical skills. Uh, doesn't have the doesn't 693 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 1: really have the arm or the height or the physical traits, 694 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: you know, traits that set him aside as a as 695 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback. But he's all that other stuff. Uh 696 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: So when it comes down to it, I think both 697 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: Jake from and Davis Webb, you know, offer you the same. 698 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: What are the other benefits are there? Is there a 699 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: huge difference in salary? Uh? You know disc repends here? 700 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: Are you saving a ton of cap space? Is one 701 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: guy significantly better physically than the other? So if if 702 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: there is a train wreck and you got your fourth 703 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 1: guy in there or your third guy in there, can 704 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: you win? Even you even have a chance with a 705 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: guy like Davis Webb, that's probably his saying, yeah, he's 706 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: you probably can. If you're talking about who saves you 707 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: the most money, he's probably a guy on a rookie deal, 708 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 1: a quarterback, a few or whatever, that fifth round pick. So, uh, 709 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: you have to weigh all of that. I think as 710 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,800 Speaker 1: a backup in those I always I like veterans better myself. 711 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: They've been around the block, They've been through different offenses, 712 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: they've been through different training camps, they've been through different 713 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: head coaches. In the league. They've been on different in 714 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: different organizations, and they've been there in and day in, 715 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 1: day out, getting ready to play, and they probably maybe 716 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: at some point have taken a couple of snaps. Jake 717 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,879 Speaker 1: From hasn't even taken a preseason snap, and he didn't 718 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: even get in the room last year because they kept 719 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 1: him separate. Yeah, I don't know how much he impressed him. 720 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: Not knowing that, I say, Davis Webb. But if Jake 721 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: From hit it out of the park in the role 722 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: they had for him last year, maybe they say, you 723 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: know what, lists reward him. I tend to lean Davis 724 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: Webb here as well, because his physical I think in 725 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: terms of intangibles and getting the other guys ready, I 726 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: think both From and Webb are very good at that. 727 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: Webb obviously has the benefit of more experience. He's seen more, 728 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: even if he hasn't played all that much more than 729 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: Jake From. And I think Davis Webb's physical traits are 730 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: slightly better than Jake From. He's got a better arm, 731 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,800 Speaker 1: he's bigger in stature, He's six five, Yeah, so he's 732 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,839 Speaker 1: got the edge at least as I see it. But 733 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,800 Speaker 1: they could go to training camp and that could change. 734 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 1: We don't know. So the next question is do they 735 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,919 Speaker 1: keep three quarterbacks on the active roster? Do you think 736 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 1: do they do that? I think they probably do. I 737 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: think they probably do. Yes, I think you have to. 738 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,439 Speaker 1: This is a team that you can't get derailed when 739 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,879 Speaker 1: Josh Allen leaves for a month. You know what I'm saying. 740 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: You gotta have guys that can go, and you've got 741 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: to at that spot. It's too important to me, it's 742 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: too important. And plus it's just one more guy that's 743 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: there to help Josh when he when he is healthy. 744 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,280 Speaker 1: I think if they decide to keep only two, though, 745 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 1: that could shift the balance of who the third quarterback 746 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: is to from who we know still has practice squad time. 747 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 1: I'm not sure Davis Webb does. That's interesting not to 748 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,760 Speaker 1: mention the fact that from I think you would feel 749 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: safer that someone would not poach him off your practice 750 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,239 Speaker 1: squad as much as say a Davis Webb if in 751 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,279 Speaker 1: fact he does have practice squad time. So if they 752 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: only keep two, I think it could change the balance 753 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: of who they would prefer to keep as opposed to 754 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: whether as to oppose to the scenario we first posed, 755 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 1: which was, well, if they keep three, it's probably Davis Webb. 756 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: It's an interesting dynamic. Yeah, it may come down too, 757 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 1: and maybe it always does. I don't know. I've never 758 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 1: been in a coach's meeting where they evaluate this kind 759 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: of stuff or with a GM, but maybe it does 760 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 1: come down to non football issues, practice squad capability's salary 761 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: instead of physical traits and the role that they're going 762 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 1: to play. And maybe it just comes down to having 763 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,800 Speaker 1: a guy there that can throw to the scout team. 764 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: I know this. It's a good problem to have. Yeah, 765 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,399 Speaker 1: I mean, think about this. The roster is so deep 766 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: here you have to make a difficult decision for third quarterback. 767 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,760 Speaker 1: Just think about that for a second. That's what Brandon 768 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: being and his staff have done with this roster. It 769 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: takes a lot of work to get to that point. 770 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 1: I mean, that's put in something that's pretty damn good. 771 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 1: They've hit. They've hit on a gut enough, guys, no 772 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: question about it. But I thought that was an interesting 773 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: discussion to have because that is coming down the pike here, 774 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: and I know you're saying, I mean, there's probably some 775 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: people listening to this going, all right, guys, we're talking 776 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,720 Speaker 1: about third quarterback in March, like seriously, but it's something 777 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: that crossed my mind. With the acquisition of Trubisky, the 778 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: one and the two are set in stone, so it's 779 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see, especially knowing from was 780 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: a draft pick investment by this team and they love 781 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: Davis Webb's that's gonna be a very very difficult decision 782 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: for them. I know it's not a super high priority decision, 783 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,880 Speaker 1: but it's gonna be a tough one. Yeah, And I 784 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 1: think yeah, And like I said, the more we talk 785 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 1: about it, the more I think it's going to come 786 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 1: down to non football issues, you know, practice, squad eligibility 787 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: and salary. Yeah. 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