Speaker 1: Hello, call it Crude.
Speaker 2: Camila and I are devastated by the fires and are
Speaker 2: heart broken by the tragedy and the loss that Southern
Speaker 2: California is currently experiencing.
Speaker 3: This episode was recorded before the fires here in Los Angeles,
Speaker 3: and we will be dedicating a future episode to talk
Speaker 3: all about it.
Speaker 2: Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camil Luddington,
Speaker 2: an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Well, Hello, hello, hello.
Speaker 2: And welcome to another episode of Call It What It Is.
Speaker 2: You might have noticed that I said hello, Hello, hello,
Speaker 2: and welcome to another episode of Call It What It Is,
Speaker 2: because today I am missing one half of my heart,
Speaker 2: the peanut butter to my jelly, the lemon to my lime.
Speaker 1: The what's the word?
Speaker 2: Inimitable Camilla Lettington. She would love that I said that,
Speaker 2: and then she'd probably toss me a fake insult. But anyways,
Speaker 2: today it is just me, or rather you get all
Speaker 2: of me on a very special episode with the one
Speaker 2: and only Brookshields.
Speaker 1: Brook Shields is.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't know that you could relegate one job
Speaker 2: title to Brookshields.
Speaker 1: She's got lots.
Speaker 2: I feel like I first came to know her, or
Speaker 2: like the first imprinted image is her in those sweet
Speaker 2: ass tight Calan kline jeans on some giant billboard somewhere,
Speaker 2: with her hair blowing in the wind, and that gorgeous
Speaker 2: face and those shiny eyes and that bold brow and
Speaker 2: just all of it was extra extra fantastic. That's the
Speaker 2: feeling I feel like I first saw her, and then
Speaker 2: I remember being new to the business and looking up
Speaker 2: to her and seeing her around town, and she was
Speaker 2: always so kind and lovely. And then I've continued to
Speaker 2: run into her and have marveled and watched her weave
Speaker 2: her way through many, many different jobs. She most recently
Speaker 2: can be seen on and around town by the way,
Speaker 2: in a bikini, flanked by her two gorgeous daughters who
Speaker 2: are now in college, and after she has started an
Speaker 2: inspirational community for women called Beginning is Now that is
Speaker 2: transitioning into commence and basically just on the forefront of
Speaker 2: all the things that I find myself wanting to talk
Speaker 2: about as well. So please please welcome Brookshields. Well, first
Speaker 2: of all, I'm so bummed because my partner in crime, Camilla,
Speaker 2: got like a like like she's a real doctor or something,
Speaker 2: got called into work at Gray's Anatomy so she's not
Speaker 2: here with us today. And then I said, well, I
Speaker 2: gotta say since I since I know Brooke, it's really
Speaker 2: her loss, and there's just.
Speaker 1: More of you for me to have.
Speaker 3: We can handle this. We can totally handle it.
Speaker 1: We can talk and talk.
Speaker 2: Well, I was going to start with no matter who
Speaker 2: was on I have a very for some reason, there's
Speaker 2: like these memories of certain people that just get crystallized
Speaker 2: and cemented in my brain. And I have this memory
Speaker 2: of I don't know, I mean, being sort of feeling
Speaker 2: still new and certainly not established on any level, and
Speaker 2: going to one of those parties in Beverly Hills at
Speaker 2: the new protest store, where you know, we'd all dressed
Speaker 2: up and we'd been sent clothes, and while it seems
Speaker 2: like it's glamorous, there's something super insecure about it. You're like,
Speaker 2: am I wearing the right thing? Does this even look good?
Speaker 1: Who? Am I?
Speaker 2: Existential crises happen on the way there, all of it.
Speaker 2: But I remember getting there and there's so many people there,
Speaker 2: and it was a really fabulous party, and I came
Speaker 2: around a corner and I saw you, and you were
Speaker 2: definitely in the middle of doing something important, right like
Speaker 2: you were you were there was photos being taken or whatever,
Speaker 2: but you turned around and when your eyes met mine,
Speaker 2: you just smiled and it was just like the warmest
Speaker 2: ray of light and it was like an eyeball hug.
Speaker 2: It was like, and I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 2: how to like, I'm clearly making a mountain out of this,
Speaker 2: but for whatever reason, that eyeball hug meant some sort
Speaker 2: of confirmation of belonging for me at this party.
Speaker 3: All well, I think, you know, I do remember that,
Speaker 3: and it's so funny you say, I was in the
Speaker 3: middle of doing something important, like getting my picture taken,
Speaker 3: which is I know, I know, but you know it's
Speaker 3: very important. And I remember thinking, oh, I shouldn't have
Speaker 3: picked this dress. This is a stupid dress to pick.
Speaker 3: This is so not like chic. It's just too like
Speaker 3: colorful and patterny. But that was the theme because they
Speaker 3: projected all the patterns on the wall. It was like
Speaker 3: this larger than life thing. And you know, I also
Speaker 3: am so honestly a fan of people that I'm a
Speaker 3: fan of that I watch like I'm a person who
Speaker 3: if you come into my living room in any capacity,
Speaker 3: I too feel like I know you, and I am like,
Speaker 3: I'm a fan and I know you, and I take
Speaker 3: it all very personally and like people do. And I remember,
Speaker 3: you know, just going like, oh, oh good, she's here,
Speaker 3: like okay, this is really cool and I don't really
Speaker 3: really know her, but but okay, she looked beautiful and
Speaker 3: I'm here, and why not just like have fun with it?
Speaker 3: Like it just I think it just normalized it all
Speaker 3: in a moment because we did make eye contact. And
Speaker 3: normally when you go into those places, people are like this, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and they're out somebody else and nobody's looking like if
Speaker 3: they shake your hand, they're like looking at who's more
Speaker 3: famous over there? And yeah, you know, and it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a l it is.
Speaker 2: But you know what, you bring up something that I
Speaker 2: think is actually, I just think you're in such a
Speaker 2: unique position of I'm I'm gonna even I'm going to
Speaker 2: use the W word. I feel like you're going to
Speaker 2: have some wisdom on this, which is we talk a
Speaker 2: lot because we have write in and call in, and
Speaker 2: we sort of were like, you know, we think we're
Speaker 2: not at all, so we think we can give everyone,
Speaker 2: you know, we think we at least have some kind
Speaker 2: of answer, but so often what people are reporting and
Speaker 2: feeling is self doubt, and so you brought up like, ah,
Speaker 2: the first thing that came to mind, like top of mine,
Speaker 2: was like, my dress is stupid, right, Like I'm not
Speaker 2: wearing the right thing. And it's funny because we just
Speaker 2: heard Demi Moore talk about this in her acceptance speech
Speaker 2: the other night in the Golden Gumbs, where it's like
Speaker 2: there's always going to be somebody, and sometimes it's you
Speaker 2: that makes you feel not good enough or like the
Speaker 2: dress you picked.
Speaker 3: Was rodd or not really deserving of being there or
Speaker 3: And I think that's the plight of an actress or
Speaker 3: a creative. You know, I've just recently read this beautiful
Speaker 3: book on Margaret Wise Brown, who wrote run Away Bunny
Speaker 3: and Good Night Moon. Yeah, and you know, and she
Speaker 3: was made to feel less than because she wasn't an
Speaker 3: adult writer. And she you know, she's one of the
Speaker 3: most prolific children's book writers and one of the most
Speaker 3: poetic sort of extraordinary minds. And you watch her Insecurity
Speaker 3: blossom Insecurity's blossom at certain points and you think, like, wow,
Speaker 3: this has been happening since the dawn of time, Like
Speaker 3: is it a writer passage. What if we don't get
Speaker 3: through it? What if we choose to stay in that
Speaker 3: place of anxiety and insecurity and self doubt? And like
Speaker 3: is that fair for us? And like you kind of
Speaker 3: have to at least these conversations are now starting to
Speaker 3: be had a little bit differently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when those conversations are happening, do you find in
Speaker 2: those moments of self doubt do you have are you
Speaker 2: figuring out what your prescription is?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: Is it talking to yourself? Is it phoning a friend?
Speaker 3: Is it? Sometimes it's and I said this today to
Speaker 3: my older daughter. Sometimes it's as simple as saying nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, cancel, cancel, nope, nope, nope, nope,
Speaker 3: nope no and shift and go like puppies kiddies from
Speaker 3: my laundry, and you distract and then you kind of
Speaker 3: like shift, and then I start usually thinking of like, Okay,
Speaker 3: you're fifty nine years old, are yes still going to
Speaker 3: do this shift to yourself? Are yes still going to
Speaker 3: let it take your time? Or are you going to
Speaker 3: just say okay, that's a part of what happens to me.
Speaker 3: But can I make it fuel me to ask more
Speaker 3: questions about what I want my future. You know, I
Speaker 3: want this job. Howboud I ask for that job? Or
Speaker 3: how about I put myself out there? Or how a
Speaker 3: would I say? You know what, I'm going to say
Speaker 3: yes to that because it's something that is out of
Speaker 3: my comfort zone. I'm going to learn and then you
Speaker 3: you sort of make it a little bit more proactive.
Speaker 3: And in that period of time when you realize the
Speaker 3: world hasn't imploded because you're wearing the wrong dress and
Speaker 3: that nobody really cares what dress you aren't wearing because
Speaker 3: they're worried about their own outfit, you start to just
Speaker 3: go like, oh, oh, I want to release myself from
Speaker 3: this because nothing is coming out of it that is productive. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and sometimes there is a productivity in feeling insecure because
Speaker 3: it causes me at times to take on things that
Speaker 3: I'm afraid of, you know, So you have to kind
Speaker 3: of be willing to be honest about what it is. Okay,
Speaker 3: golden gloves aren't perfect example, right, you know the way
Speaker 3: she was talking about her trajectory, her history, and how
Speaker 3: riddled with that that she was insecure. Right, So I
Speaker 3: can look at somebody like that, and I can look
Speaker 3: at them as a contemporary and say, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3: I get it, and you know I do want that validation.
Speaker 3: But I'm not but but my not but forgetting it
Speaker 3: tonight to the last night whatever doesn't take it away
Speaker 3: from me. Like when you're young, you sort of think
Speaker 3: there's a limited allotment of finance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that people are allowed.
Speaker 3: And yes there's certain roles and we all don't get
Speaker 3: them because some adult gets them. Whatever.
Speaker 2: That's the nature so many times, Brooks, so many times.
Speaker 3: Majority the majority of my life.
Speaker 1: I know, talk about daughter talk.
Speaker 2: I say it all the time, especially when those daughters
Speaker 2: paint me with like you're perfect. I'm like, do you
Speaker 2: know how many do you know the percentage of jobs
Speaker 2: I've actually gotten? Two percentage of jobs I have auditioned.
Speaker 3: For, I've gotten two.
Speaker 2: I gets like point two percent I've gotten too. I mean,
Speaker 2: I might as well have never got a job in
Speaker 2: my life. I've never worked. You made me think of
Speaker 2: you made me think well. I mean, I love Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: I don't know where you land on, Taylor.
Speaker 3: But oh I had the best time in my life
Speaker 3: there at the dancing with her mother.
Speaker 2: It was serial Yeah mom, I mean she's the best.
Speaker 2: She's the best. She was so kind to my daughter.
Speaker 2: She gave her the bracelet off her wrist.
Speaker 3: She gave one to my daughters too. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I mean, she's taken that friendship bracelet thing.
Speaker 2: And Poppy looked at me and was like, is this
Speaker 2: for real?
Speaker 1: And like should I take it?
Speaker 2: And I was like, yes, you should, and you should
Speaker 2: say thank you, ma'am, thank you.
Speaker 3: You should give her one of yours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh no, she was. She was the initial offerer.
Speaker 2: But I remember watching the documentary and then again, who
Speaker 2: knows why these things stick in her head, but I
Speaker 2: remember when she was talking about her relationship with food
Speaker 2: and when she had a thorny one and when she
Speaker 2: was not that was not sustainable and that was not
Speaker 2: literally nutritive. And I remember her saying, always fact check me,
Speaker 2: because sometimes I remember things differently than they are. But
Speaker 2: I remember her saying that her mantra in those moments
Speaker 2: of self doubt about that particular issue was we're not
Speaker 2: going to do that.
Speaker 1: We're not going to do that.
Speaker 2: We're not going to do that anymore. We're just not
Speaker 2: going to do that anymore. And I remember, I mean,
Speaker 2: it was definitely for me reserved. I think I had
Speaker 2: more of it younger, but holy me, I still have.
Speaker 2: I still have a storage room for I remember, especially
Speaker 2: in the moments of you know, kind of having to
Speaker 2: show up to something, being on the you know, going
Speaker 2: into an audition or something, and catching a reflection of
Speaker 2: myself in the in the window, you know, as I
Speaker 2: walked away from my car, and I remember being the
Speaker 2: thoughts that went through my mind were so unkind to
Speaker 2: that reflection, and I remember being like, what is going on?
Speaker 2: Why am I being so unkind to myself? And it's
Speaker 2: only making the self doubt worse. It's not setting me
Speaker 2: up for success an X, Y and Z and all that.
Speaker 2: And then I remember thinking different way in if anyone
Speaker 2: spoke to if I spoke to anyone the way that
Speaker 2: I speak to myself, right, I would have I would
Speaker 2: have zero friends, and I have a lot of friends.
Speaker 2: And I'm so grateful for my friends and I feel
Speaker 2: so supportive. So what if I treated myself like I
Speaker 2: was my friend?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And it really did like that for me. The self
Speaker 2: doubt exactly what you said, like the conversations with yourself
Speaker 2: interrupting the cycle saying nope, like, nope, not on my watch,
Speaker 2: Like you're not going to fucking say that to her,
Speaker 2: not on my watch.
Speaker 3: You know. And what's interesting is the two things that
Speaker 3: you've just said, you've kind of spoken in third person.
Speaker 3: And I think that that's a really interesting psychology that
Speaker 3: makes it easier for us to take said mantra. Because
Speaker 3: if if if we go back to our normal of
Speaker 3: our normal tapes and we say I, and it's like, well,
Speaker 3: I look fat, I look stupid, I look old, I'm
Speaker 3: too tall, i'm too short, I'm too lily, that it
Speaker 3: immediately goes right back in. But if we say no,
Speaker 3: we're not going to do that. We are a team here,
Speaker 3: and this is collected, like and when you say I'm
Speaker 3: going to speak to myself, you're creating just enough distance
Speaker 3: so that our psyche can make it less self induced.
Speaker 3: If you think about the way the synapses work and
Speaker 3: the way that the brain works, like that stuff is
Speaker 3: so interesting to me because that is what I think
Speaker 3: is a really healthy way of doing it. I mean,
Speaker 3: I had something one time similar. It was I don't
Speaker 3: look in the mirror, right Like I refuse to look
Speaker 3: in the mirror for years and years and years now
Speaker 3: I do, but for years I didn't. I wouldn't. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't look in the mirror. I wouldn't like and in
Speaker 3: dance class, I would just fall flat on my cocksit
Speaker 3: and I would be in such pain. And then I
Speaker 3: was doing this movie where I was I had to
Speaker 3: be like walk in looking like ba vum and kind
Speaker 3: of sexy and sort of like great, but I had
Speaker 3: to deliver some tippid line of something. I don't know
Speaker 3: what it was. And I was so out of like
Speaker 3: my own periphery that I didn't I was so unaware
Speaker 3: of where I was coming from that repeatedly I kept
Speaker 3: running into the wall and it was funny because it
Speaker 3: was like, oh, look how clumsy she is. She should
Speaker 3: probably be a comedian, Like oh look how Yeah, you
Speaker 3: think she's a supermodel, but she's really a you know, klutz.
Speaker 3: And that was just you know, that was where the
Speaker 3: crew went and everybody because I think they were embarrassed
Speaker 3: for me. But I remember thinking like, oh, that's so
Speaker 3: interesting because you weren't willing to take in who you
Speaker 3: were enough to understand your peripheral, Like I physically walked
Speaker 3: into the wall. Five takes in a row, and then
Speaker 3: I started thinking, oh my god, I've got a neurological problem,
Speaker 3: like this is crazy. And then I took a dance
Speaker 3: class and my teacher was like, if you don't spot
Speaker 3: and look at yourself, you're never going to be able
Speaker 3: to turn. You will never be able to make a
Speaker 3: turn on stage if you don't have a focal point.
Speaker 3: And while we're in class, the focal point is the
Speaker 3: mirror and if you can't handle what you see in
Speaker 3: the mirror, then you shouldn't be dancing at all. And
Speaker 3: it was like really tough. It was like harsh, and
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't want to. He goes, nobody cares.
Speaker 3: They're looking at their own faces in the mirror. If
Speaker 3: you don't do it, you're on your own and don't
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like he was so frustrated with me,
Speaker 3: but it was like love and it was It reminded
Speaker 3: me of that Dove ad where the women described themselves
Speaker 3: to an artist who's behind a black curtain and then
Speaker 3: describes a woman that they were part of it. And
Speaker 3: in every case, the way they described themselves was witchy
Speaker 3: and hard and angry and mean, and the way the
Speaker 3: other person described them was like regal and strong jaw
Speaker 3: and ye yeah, fierce, and you just kind of go like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we've been doing this to ourselves for quite some time.
Speaker 3: Are we going to stop that behavior?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're the only one that can do. You
Speaker 2: remember a time where that was a daily, daily like
Speaker 2: the hardest for you, or like the lesson that you
Speaker 2: needed to learn to get past it to move on
Speaker 2: to the next thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think there was a when I was
Speaker 3: on Broadway. I was so one of the times I
Speaker 3: was on Broadway, I was so it was so precious
Speaker 3: to me doing a Wonderful Town, which was a musical
Speaker 3: comedy where I had to sing, dance and be comedic
Speaker 3: and all of this at the same time. And I
Speaker 3: remember thinking, like, you were going to have to use
Speaker 3: these six months, eight shows a week to stop sabotaging
Speaker 3: yourself and stop and like and stop doing those ritualistic
Speaker 3: OCD things that you do because you feel like if
Speaker 3: you don't put your miscra on in the same period
Speaker 3: of time that you count to put your lip on,
Speaker 3: like whatever the thing was, I had frenzied myself into control.
Speaker 3: I'm going to.
Speaker 2: Step on control, needing control.
Speaker 3: And so I went in one day and I started
Speaker 3: absolutely doing everything out of order, and I waited till
Speaker 3: the last minute to get to the theater, and I
Speaker 3: did all these things that would have been like made
Speaker 3: me not like really struggle, and I was fine. I
Speaker 3: was fine on mistakes. The world didn't fall apart. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I thought, think of all the time you waste
Speaker 3: trying to control yourself, when if you just were awake
Speaker 3: enough to stay in the moment, you'd probably be okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's but you need to prove it to yourself.
Speaker 3: I needed to go through the discomfort of like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, being chicken lit alone, the world's guy's going
Speaker 3: to fall apart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2: And it's funny because you know you were talking about
Speaker 2: talking to your daughter, and you know, I've got three
Speaker 2: daughters and a son, and and I think you so
Speaker 2: badly want to just like hook up like a connector
Speaker 2: where you can like download all of this stuff we're
Speaker 2: talking about so you can like spare them these moments
Speaker 2: that they go through.
Speaker 1: And then you have this moment of.
Speaker 2: Realization where it's like, oh, just like you said, like
Speaker 2: I wouldn't count insecuritys, like I wouldn't put in.
Speaker 3: My positive.
Speaker 2: But if you can, if you can contextualize it, if
Speaker 2: you can synthesize it in your body and then have
Speaker 2: it come out as humility, right instead of insecurity. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's just like me understanding that, you know, not it's
Speaker 2: the opposite of grandiose, like I'm not all that in
Speaker 2: a bag of chips, but I'm pretty proud of myself.
Speaker 3: I also think humility can be a dangerous word if
Speaker 3: not mind appropriately, because humility can in some instances. And
Speaker 3: I've learned this because of self deprecation. Right, I've taken
Speaker 3: self deprecation to like a whole new level of like
Speaker 3: it's who I am. And when you do that too
Speaker 3: much to yourself, over the course of years, you start
Speaker 3: seeing yourself as less than right if you're not careful. Right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I I do think that there's a uh. I like
Speaker 3: the word humility better than I like the word humble.
Speaker 3: But I do feel like our humility needs to be
Speaker 3: extended to ourselves, not necessarily to the outside, because you know,
Speaker 3: I took it to such a I would I would
Speaker 3: like back out of rooms or come in and say
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, or instead of just excuse me, everything was
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and I was like apologizing for
Speaker 3: living and then you start feeling like, oh god, I
Speaker 3: don't know why I feel so bad about myself. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so's so I try to say to my girls, you know,
Speaker 3: respect is a huge, huge thing to integrate into your lives.
Speaker 3: And that is respect for yourself without arrogance, because I
Speaker 3: used to I used to equate that with arrogance and
Speaker 3: respect for others, others, time, others, you know, feelings at
Speaker 3: that moment. Just try to be aware of them, don't
Speaker 3: undermine yourself so much to uphold them. But again, you know,
Speaker 3: really try to listen, listen to Okay, so you're nervous
Speaker 3: about this, right, My daughter went into like a really
Speaker 3: kind of interesting job where she had to be in
Speaker 3: service and I said, you know, make yourself indispensable and
Speaker 3: and she's like, well, that's I can't think of myself
Speaker 3: that way. And I said, no, no, don't walk in
Speaker 3: thinking you're better than everybody. Walk in and say how
Speaker 3: can I help you this job? What can I do
Speaker 3: in this position to make your said job more you know,
Speaker 3: run smoothly? And I said, in over time, you will
Speaker 3: start feeling needed for the right reasons, and then your
Speaker 3: own self worth will kind of find its spot and
Speaker 3: you're never going to be arrogant. It's not in your DNA,
Speaker 3: you know what.
Speaker 2: I think that that's also it's sometimes I feel really
Speaker 2: small in the world, and I feel like the problems
Speaker 2: are all too big, and I do tend to feel
Speaker 2: comforted by getting really small in like what can I affect?
Speaker 2: You know, like I really I personally, there's not a
Speaker 2: lot I can do about things that are happening across
Speaker 2: the world or or things that are just bigger balls
Speaker 2: to unwind. But I can smile at a stranger. I
Speaker 2: can make someone feel valued and and and special, and
Speaker 2: that is really important to do when you can, when
Speaker 2: you have the power to do it, it's really important
Speaker 2: to do well.
Speaker 3: It's Taylor's mom giving our daughters stuff in the gold bracelet.
Speaker 3: Like it's if they're gestures. Yeah, you know, it's like
Speaker 3: if I'm walking on the street, and you know, I
Speaker 3: mean usually it goes like this, someone will say, oh,
Speaker 3: you're still beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those other than you're actually beautiful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I've gotten or you're you're actually pretty in person.
Speaker 3: I got one or it was favorite anyway. They're just
Speaker 3: it's these crazy things. But when someone when anybody says
Speaker 3: anything complimentary, I immediately turn it back around and I
Speaker 3: say you are so beautiful. And it never fails. The
Speaker 3: person will go thank you, thank you, Brooke, and I'll
Speaker 3: be like, have the right day, and I walk on.
Speaker 3: And it's just it's that it a little goes a
Speaker 3: long way. And I think that there are symbols of that,
Speaker 3: whether it's Taylor Swift and her front of bracelets or
Speaker 3: the messaging in her songs, or how she treats what
Speaker 3: looks like she treats every fan. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, well she's role modeling goodness and that that wasn't.
Speaker 3: That's so necessary.
Speaker 2: It didn't used to be so cool to be kind,
Speaker 2: And now it does feel like there's a culture and
Speaker 2: a and a and a movement toward kindness, not in
Speaker 2: all circles, but in quite a few. Okay, I have
Speaker 2: a question because I was also thinking about you. Oh,
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about you for a couple of days
Speaker 2: because I knew I was guess you, and I was
Speaker 2: thinking just looking back, looking back and looking forward. You
Speaker 2: really have touched in so many different aspects of entertainment.
Speaker 2: Like you have done so many things, and I find
Speaker 2: you in conversation and whenever I run into you, I'm
Speaker 2: always so happy because I find you and everything you're
Speaker 2: saying about yourself, I absolutely I know it's true. But
Speaker 2: there's this there's this willingness that I see in you
Speaker 2: that's like, Okay, I mean, you know, I know you
Speaker 2: wouldn't say this, but you know you're You're the Calvin
Speaker 2: Klein gorgeous, gorgeous gorgeousness, and the winds are blowing and
Speaker 2: the hair is blowing and all the things, and you're
Speaker 2: so beautiful. And there's this there's this aspect of entertainment,
Speaker 2: right because we're creating these big images and then it's like, oh, hey,
Speaker 2: so what about being you know, what about being on
Speaker 2: a TV show?
Speaker 1: There's Brooke, she's willing. Yes, you're at a TV show.
Speaker 1: You're making people.
Speaker 2: Laugh, you're singing and dancing on stage. Yes, there you are.
Speaker 2: And I think that that's not a very common thing
Speaker 2: to be so willing, and I love it. I think
Speaker 2: it's I'm using it as a compliment, by the way,
Speaker 2: because I find that, you know, one of the biggest
Speaker 2: disruptors to life is people who are unwilling, like unwilling
Speaker 2: to just go. You know, there're the people whenever you
Speaker 2: ask them, they're like no, You're like, oh, I just
Speaker 2: want you to jump in, But do you have do
Speaker 2: you know where your willingness came from?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 1: Did you were you?
Speaker 3: Just?
Speaker 1: Were you born?
Speaker 3: Like that?
Speaker 1: Did you see it go the other way? And you're like,
Speaker 1: uh ah, I'm going to be I'm going to jump in.
Speaker 2: Like where did that adventure and where did that willingness
Speaker 2: come from?
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for that. That is a very positive
Speaker 3: view of I fit well, how I've chosen to live
Speaker 3: my life. But I think it's because I don't I
Speaker 3: don't like limitations that are put on me by other
Speaker 3: people who have no idea what my capacity is. I
Speaker 3: don't even understand maybe my capability or my talent or
Speaker 3: my capacity or whatever it is. And so when you
Speaker 3: get denied access, which we've talked about before, but when
Speaker 3: when you are not picked, overlooked, not chosen whatever, this
Speaker 3: crazy thing that we as actresses are subjected to, and
Speaker 3: you've been on some pedestal that you really didn't mean,
Speaker 3: not asked to be on it, and then you're knocked
Speaker 3: off it and they just are thriving on that watching
Speaker 3: you kind of flail in their opinion, you know, the
Speaker 3: public opinion or press or whatever. You start to say like,
Speaker 3: am I going to let myself be limited constantly by
Speaker 3: something that I have no control over? Or I'm just
Speaker 3: going to keep saying yes, especially if I'm afraid. And
Speaker 3: you know, it's not like, oh, by choice, I chose
Speaker 3: not to be in films anymore, and I was going
Speaker 3: to go be on television or being on Broadway. Those
Speaker 3: were things that were the only ones available to me.
Speaker 2: But imagine if you hadn't been willing.
Speaker 3: You know, part of it is like, oh, I got
Speaker 3: so happy, I got in divited to that party, and
Speaker 3: it just I felt like, I think every opportunity that
Speaker 3: I've gotten has been a gift because they don't come often,
Speaker 3: you know, they don't come all the time or often,
Speaker 3: and I think.
Speaker 2: That sometimes you have to make them. I mean, look
Speaker 2: at them. Listen, I'm looking at your whole life and
Speaker 2: on pieces of paper and notes and all the things
Speaker 2: that i've you know, that I've just seen you do.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot, you know, I mean, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of redirection, and there's a lot of you know, passion, and.
Speaker 3: You know what, people say it's reinvention, and I always say, like,
Speaker 3: you know what, I wasn't broken enough to need to
Speaker 3: be reinvented. I just needed to keep being revealed and
Speaker 3: like I'll raise my hand and I'll be like, oh,
Speaker 3: could I want to try that? Yeah, just because I've
Speaker 3: I've felt the success like and I felt it in
Speaker 3: college more than anything. You know, I tried out for
Speaker 3: a dance company and I did university.
Speaker 2: So it's always good to say because it's just really impressive.
Speaker 3: Well, but like I didn't get into this dance company
Speaker 3: and I didn't get into this singing group, and I
Speaker 3: just remember feeling like such a failure and thinking like
Speaker 3: how can I be an actress and not know how
Speaker 3: to do this? Like what is wrong with me? Maybe
Speaker 3: I am just a celebrity and I am just this.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm sort of smart, but like and so I thought, okay,
Speaker 3: well what are you going to do about it? And
Speaker 3: I spent that summer taking dance lessons, taking singing lessons,
Speaker 3: And I went back and I got into the dance
Speaker 3: company and I got into the musical theater group, and
Speaker 3: I had a whole life that wasn't afforded to me
Speaker 3: before because I hadn't worked hard enough for it. Maybe
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you were also you were willing to.
Speaker 2: You were willing to, you were willing to take the
Speaker 2: know and like direct yourselves into having earned it.
Speaker 1: It sounds like I was willing to fail.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, you have to. You have to
Speaker 2: be real willing to fail in life. That's the thing
Speaker 2: I think some people don't get when they when they
Speaker 2: when they talk about the self doubt. I think it's
Speaker 2: it's really important what you just said. If you doubt
Speaker 2: yourself all the time, Okay, fine, that's being human. But
Speaker 2: I find that a lot of people who get stuck
Speaker 2: in that decide to just stop trying, to like stop doing,
Speaker 2: to stop moving forward. And I think it's like that's
Speaker 2: where you.
Speaker 1: I love all this.
Speaker 2: I love this is My favorite thing about Instagram is
Speaker 2: all the sayings. I take screenshots of them all and
Speaker 2: I put them in my little pocket and I go, like,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like you know, if you
Speaker 2: if you don't ask the answers, usually I always know,
Speaker 2: or if you don't ask the answers always going to
Speaker 2: be no.
Speaker 1: Right, It's like, yes, you have to keep going.
Speaker 2: You have to, you have to keep going forward, and
Speaker 2: then you'll sort of earn the confidence because you'll know
Speaker 2: that you can do it.
Speaker 3: And also you say, I say that to my girls,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I can guarantee you won't get into that
Speaker 3: college if you don't apply. Yeah, Like I can guarantee it.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it's one of the shots you don't take.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I've got a lot of them. I've
Speaker 1: got a lot of them. I'll get on my phone.
Speaker 1: I got a whole file.
Speaker 3: I have those dads that have it at the bottom,
Speaker 3: you know. And it's like it's always like somebody really
Speaker 3: cool has said it in like the early nineteen hundreds
Speaker 3: and you're just like, yes, what would you do if
Speaker 3: you knew you could not fail?
Speaker 2: And you're like, yeah, yeah, all of them, all of them,
Speaker 2: all of them. Okay, So if you if you, I
Speaker 2: mean you, you didn't know you couldn't fail. But in
Speaker 2: this now, in the beginning is now phase, what is
Speaker 2: the thing that is top of mind for you right now?
Speaker 2: Like what's the thing I always find that there's like
Speaker 2: something that comes up and it's like the thing you
Speaker 2: can't stop talking.
Speaker 3: About is that when you are a part of something
Speaker 3: like a startup, you have to know that part of it.
Speaker 3: So part of what you were talking about before is
Speaker 3: accepting victimhood. I think it's when we choose not to
Speaker 3: move through something and we choose to be a martyr
Speaker 3: about it or a victim to it, right, And you
Speaker 3: can say, whatever it is sucks, but what am I
Speaker 3: going to do about it? And when you are part
Speaker 3: of something like a company that you have decided to
Speaker 3: start and you put your money into it, and then
Speaker 3: you lose that money and then you have to get
Speaker 3: more money and then you spend that money, but you
Speaker 3: all the while you're kind of blindly saying to yourself,
Speaker 3: I believe in the mission, I believe in the vision.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to let go. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: let go. I've heard these stories. I've heard people say
Speaker 3: we failed and we pulled ourselves up, and we did.
Speaker 3: And that has been the thing that has been the
Speaker 3: most sort of a chute for me is taking those
Speaker 3: moments where I am unable to sleep and I'm afraid
Speaker 3: and i'm and money is looming as a problem. But
Speaker 3: you know that the larger message that you started this
Speaker 3: whole thing for is the thing that you cannot deny.
Speaker 3: That is to be that afraid and keep forging ahead,
Speaker 3: and then to look back four years later and say,
Speaker 3: look how far we've come. Look at what just the
Speaker 3: last seven months have been. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember running into you by the way in New
Speaker 2: York City. I was with a friend and you were
Speaker 2: at Cafe Cliney and you were like, I'm starting something.
Speaker 2: It's really exciting, I'm figuring it out. I don't know
Speaker 2: you were. It was a table of I feel like
Speaker 2: you had like maybe four people around you, and it
Speaker 2: was just like I remember being like, I can't wait
Speaker 2: to see what this is.
Speaker 3: Well, I went to interest was it started for the
Speaker 3: right reasons, and the community that was built out of
Speaker 3: beginning is now.
Speaker 4: Has now become a fully more fully flushed out whole
Speaker 4: vision and mission for women over forty to really help
Speaker 4: solve problems that they're encountering.
Speaker 2: Which problem is are you all do you feel like
Speaker 2: is being solved that you're most proud of?
Speaker 3: At first, it was the community like you are not alone.
Speaker 3: I am not alone. I am pissed that only one
Speaker 3: percent of all marketing and advertisement has women sixty plus
Speaker 3: in it. That is unheard of.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I'm when people say, oh, do you think Hollywood's changing
Speaker 3: in their writing stories for women of a certain age,
Speaker 3: And I say yes, like it's great. But here's to me,
Speaker 3: we are actually even more interesting than the divorcee who
Speaker 3: now is sleeping with a twenty year old, Like, we
Speaker 3: are actually these unbelievable women that have so much that
Speaker 3: we bring to the table. And when you I've recently
Speaker 3: been able to work with some actresses who are older,
Speaker 3: and they come to the table with everything, including their
Speaker 3: little girl selves and their insecurities, including their knowledge and
Speaker 3: their history and their experience, and you say to yourself, like,
Speaker 3: that is what's becoming a part of the conversation. So like,
Speaker 3: to me, that's been the most rewarding is having conversations
Speaker 3: with women all over the world and they're still saying
Speaker 3: like thank you, we didn't feel represented. But now let's
Speaker 3: look at these these things we're encountering and not look
Speaker 3: at them like oh, it's the beginning of the end
Speaker 3: and you're decrepit, but like, let's look at them and
Speaker 3: let's solve these problems.
Speaker 1: Well how about look at them.
Speaker 2: I mean, we have there's so many other cultures that
Speaker 2: put such a huge value on age and maturity, right.
Speaker 3: The ones, Yes, here's the cheap in the everything and
Speaker 3: that you know.
Speaker 2: Absolutely and now I mean, you know, I think, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm just such a huge fan and I've of self
Speaker 2: care and I you know, I'm on most to do lists.
Speaker 2: I put myself last because I also am like in
Speaker 2: the thick of it with the kids and everything else.
Speaker 2: But I I find that, you know, the more that
Speaker 2: we have the access and proximity to being able to
Speaker 2: take care of ourselves, It's like I'm looking at all
Speaker 2: these just women that are not only you know, have
Speaker 2: have more experience and have different experience and bring all
Speaker 2: this value. But they're also going like, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to be I'm going to I'm going to value my health.
Speaker 2: I'm going to value being fit. I'm going to value
Speaker 2: how I feed myself. I'm going to speak about myself kindly.
Speaker 2: I'm going to you know, I'm going to bring all
Speaker 2: these lessons and I'm going to share them with everyone.
Speaker 2: I think that that's I feel like that's happening in
Speaker 2: a really big way. Maybe I just wasn't around it
Speaker 2: because as I was around all people that were you know, younger,
Speaker 2: But I just I find that it's so universal these days,
Speaker 2: like it feels like it's you're really much around it.
Speaker 3: Well. I also think that like we call at commence,
Speaker 3: we call ourselves a care brand, and our whole motto
Speaker 3: is take care. And when I say that, there's a
Speaker 3: narrative different reasons that that sort of you know, brings
Speaker 3: up and we're so talks about it's like, take care
Speaker 3: of yourself because you deserve it. Take the care that's
Speaker 3: available to you from the people who feed you positively
Speaker 3: in your life, you know, take care to not play
Speaker 3: those tapes over in your head that diminish your value
Speaker 3: in your own eye, you know, take the take yourself
Speaker 3: and care for yourself and say, like that group of girls,
Speaker 3: I don't feel good about myself when I'm when I'm
Speaker 3: around them or that person or or that job or
Speaker 3: that doesn't me It doesn't help me, and I leave
Speaker 3: feeling smaller. So that means to me, that's really understanding
Speaker 3: what it means to take care of ourselves so that
Speaker 3: we can how do we want to live our lives
Speaker 3: in the most care generating way, you know, And that's
Speaker 3: our whole vision, you know, we say it commenced, like
Speaker 3: we want to encourage women to live, and we say
Speaker 3: fearlessly and we say optimistically and joyfully. But it's not
Speaker 3: a pressure. It's that you've earned this position in your
Speaker 3: actual life because you've done so much for so many
Speaker 3: other people. You've come so far, and you deserve to
Speaker 3: care about who you are as a person and feel
Speaker 3: really good about that. Like you deserve to love yourself.
Speaker 3: Like it sounds like another magnet on a refrigerator, but
Speaker 3: it's a real thing. And when you start that. I
Speaker 3: remember saying to myself once I was going into some
Speaker 3: job that I felt in over my head about and
Speaker 3: and I like, I just felt like I was sort
Speaker 3: of going to drown in it. And I said, I
Speaker 3: wonder how you would walk into the room if you
Speaker 3: really just said you're enough. Brooke, Like, yeah, it sounds
Speaker 3: like dorky, but you're kind of like, oh, I might
Speaker 3: just be good enough. Yeah, be alive. Where you know,
Speaker 3: we're not taught that as younger people.
Speaker 2: Did you have anyone when you were younger that felt
Speaker 2: wise in that in the way that like that could
Speaker 2: that that.
Speaker 1: Sort of pulled you up?
Speaker 2: That was like, Brooke, there's this there's this other way
Speaker 2: of looking at it.
Speaker 3: I mean, actually, no, I think most of the people
Speaker 3: that I sort of like my mother who I looked
Speaker 3: up to, I felt responsible for keeping her alive like
Speaker 3: so that that comes with a lot of self doubt
Speaker 3: in other ways.
Speaker 2: Well an a codependency, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure and in an ameshment, but there were
Speaker 3: some male relationships that I had that sort of reverted
Speaker 3: the mirror back to me and said, you know, I
Speaker 3: want you to see yourself the way I see you,
Speaker 3: like this is what I fell in love with. I'd
Speaker 3: like you to see that person because if you knew
Speaker 3: her like, if you knew her, bless them like her
Speaker 3: like And you know, one of my early early relationships
Speaker 3: that I was able to be that was a huge
Speaker 3: part of it, one of my more serious relationships. None
Speaker 3: of them worked out in the long run. I mean, thankfully.
Speaker 2: Isn't that amazing how that's such a gift where it
Speaker 2: doesn't work out and you're like killing yourself. Well, I
Speaker 2: have a question when you were in your when you
Speaker 2: were starting out, And again, by the way, I maybe
Speaker 2: I'm making this up, but I feel like I I
Speaker 2: remember seeing the billboards like I actually remember the Calvin
Speaker 2: Kline billboards being oh I remember those being up. But
Speaker 2: at that part of your life, who was like your
Speaker 2: super biggest like who was who was like the crushworthiest?
Speaker 1: Like who were you like? Because you were like you
Speaker 1: were kind of.
Speaker 2: The tippy top, Like what is the tippy top? Like
Speaker 2: you workus again, I think a wind machine, fology wherever
Speaker 2: you went. In my mind, that's the story I'm making up.
Speaker 1: You would just walk down the street.
Speaker 2: It would be like, oh, Brook, good Brook.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the way I. I slept my best, so
Speaker 3: I got out of bed. I had a wind machine
Speaker 3: put in my bedroom, just like I loved No. I
Speaker 3: mean it was funny because I liked certain movies right,
Speaker 3: but I like I loved the fact that John travill
Speaker 3: To dance the way he did like Robin Williams, like
Speaker 3: so funny, genius. My my life is like like I
Speaker 3: I went like Comedians, like I went any sexy Lucille Ball,
Speaker 3: I went like I. I didn't have heart throbs as
Speaker 3: much because most of the heart throbs I had already
Speaker 3: worked with.
Speaker 1: And they were kind of boring.
Speaker 3: They were just such work was sweet, but they were.
Speaker 2: True big generalization alert But yes, the more handsome, the
Speaker 2: more boring or a lot of work are.
Speaker 3: Just boys, and they needed so much attention, and I
Speaker 3: was just like, uh, hi, I'm not playing this game anymore.
Speaker 3: And so I got like so just like like little girl,
Speaker 3: I'm like, they bother me. I don't like, you know,
Speaker 3: and everybody's like, oh my god, everybody's in love with them,
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, oh, rolling my eyes, like you know,
Speaker 3: and like the little sister that is just so over
Speaker 3: the sibling that's getting all the attention, and you're just
Speaker 3: kind of you get petulant about it, you know. So
Speaker 3: I wasn't. I didn't fall into the same category of
Speaker 3: heart throbs, you know, because my heart throbs were like
Speaker 3: David Cassidy and you know, Scott Beao and late Garrett BeO.
Speaker 3: I mean, you were like, it's so funny like to
Speaker 3: now look back and you just kind of go like, oh,
Speaker 3: those are my scrap books of you know, heart throbs.
Speaker 1: Did you ever get to meet? Did you ever did you.
Speaker 3: Ever send one of them? I met every one of them.
Speaker 1: And okay, so so don't you don't need to name names.
Speaker 2: But like percentage wise mostly lived up to the hype
Speaker 2: or mostly didn't.
Speaker 3: You know, not the same kind of hype that we
Speaker 3: were all putting them up against. Yeah, they just got
Speaker 3: to be too human too quickly. Yeah. But I remember
Speaker 3: Scott Bao gave me a corsage on my wrist and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, he's.
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, at the beginning of a date,
Speaker 2: like he pulled up and had a corsage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like there's We went to some party and.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, were you going to a dance?
Speaker 3: It wasn't a prom or anything. It was just like
Speaker 3: a party I think in Hollywood, and like the Scottie
Speaker 3: brothers were I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you think his mom called him and was like,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you got to pick up you got to
Speaker 2: pick up a corsage. Yeah, you're on a date with Brickshews.
Speaker 2: You gotta have a corsage, yeah, she probably.
Speaker 1: And did you wear it? Did you want to wear
Speaker 1: it with pride? Okay?
Speaker 3: I love it?
Speaker 2: I love it?
Speaker 1: Okay, great, I love it.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I love chatting with you.
Speaker 2: I really do anytime anywhere, by accident or on purpose.
Speaker 2: And thank you so much for spending this time with me.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you so much for having me And
Speaker 3: tell your partner in crime that we missed her.
Speaker 2: I know, I know she's gonna be she well, she
Speaker 2: already is so bummed. We talked about it and I
Speaker 2: was like, but.
Speaker 3: She's making a difference. She's making you guys authentic.
Speaker 2: I know she's responding to some medical you know, major
Speaker 2: minor medical drama, which is awesome.
Speaker 3: I know, how great to be able to be called
Speaker 3: in for that. I know.
Speaker 2: Guess she's given America what she wants. She said it
Speaker 2: was because someone uh got sick after the holidays. And
Speaker 2: then I talked to last night and her voice sounded
Speaker 2: funny and I was like, why does your voice sound funny?
Speaker 2: And she's like, because I'm sick, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: so everybody's sick.
Speaker 1: It's just like I remember having.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you have these stories, but I
Speaker 2: remember being shocked by it. I remember calling up our
Speaker 2: main producer, who was like the line producer, and being like,
Speaker 2: I'm really sick, Like I do not feel well.
Speaker 3: I felt like.
Speaker 2: Swallowing glass shards. And he was like, so, okay, but
Speaker 2: what are you trying to say. I think I don't
Speaker 2: think I should be at work, like I think I'm
Speaker 2: really sick, and he was like, okay, but then I'll
Speaker 2: call a doctor. I'll call a doctor, and the doctors
Speaker 2: would come.
Speaker 3: And give you a B twelve shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd give you a B twelve shot to I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, lob you this was pre COVID, so it wasn't
Speaker 2: even like they said, like, and maybe you should put
Speaker 2: on my mask so you don't give everyone else on
Speaker 2: the set strep throat. But yeah, I remember, just like
Speaker 2: that show must go on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got I found out I was pregnant right
Speaker 3: before I started Chicago on Broadway, and I remember thinking like,
Speaker 3: oh god, oh god, I'm going to get tired. And
Speaker 3: I and I I didn't tell anybody, and I just
Speaker 3: told my and I said, went to my doctor and
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm supposed to go do this show. And
Speaker 3: he said, well, knowing you, you will work out during pregnancy,
Speaker 3: so just don't work out in addition to the show.
Speaker 3: And I he's like, because your body's going to be
Speaker 3: able to be fine because you've worked out through your
Speaker 3: other pregnancy and that's what you do, so just don't
Speaker 3: overdo it and don't work out in addition to and
Speaker 3: then when I started to show, I had to like
Speaker 3: take my more drone person aside and say like, hey,
Speaker 3: you know those like waists and and she goes, I
Speaker 3: see nothing, I know nothing. I think you've been eating
Speaker 3: too many pieces of candy. And I'm just gonna I'm
Speaker 3: gonna let your costumes out. And she didn't tell anybody,
Speaker 3: but we had to keep it a secret. And and
Speaker 3: then finally I was like nearing the end of my
Speaker 3: run and it was obvious like that I was, you know,
Speaker 3: she was.
Speaker 1: Troublemaker, that.
Speaker 3: Totally. But another thing too, It's like I just recently
Speaker 3: had to call a big meeting with everybody because I
Speaker 3: was starting to get unhealthy because of my schedule. And
Speaker 3: every day more is added to it, and there's more
Speaker 3: and more and more and more, and it's for the
Speaker 3: book tour and it's for this and it's for that,
Speaker 3: and everybody's just doing their job, and I keep thinking, oh,
Speaker 3: they're going to see that. I'm starting to like pray here.
Speaker 3: And and I woke up like New Year's Day kind
Speaker 3: of after sort of separating myself for a bit, and
Speaker 3: I was thinking, no, they're not, they're not. They are
Speaker 3: not going to think of you and be like, oh,
Speaker 3: well she might be overextended. No, they think, oh, we
Speaker 3: got to add this, we got to do this, we
Speaker 3: got to and if I I just called them all
Speaker 3: and I said I'm done. Don't add another thing to
Speaker 3: my schedule nothing. I said, I have two jobs coming
Speaker 3: up that I need to have priority emotionally. I need
Speaker 3: to be able to prepare for them. They are creative.
Speaker 3: They have nothing to do with the book, the company equity. No, No,
Speaker 3: they are my creative life. And if I don't keep
Speaker 3: nurturing my creative life as an actress, I will become
Speaker 3: bitter to all of your departments and I will become
Speaker 3: difficult and I will say no before you even ask me.
Speaker 3: And if you want to get your pound of flesh
Speaker 3: out of me, this is what I need. And it
Speaker 3: was so interesting to be this age and finally, you know,
Speaker 3: and they all responded with great, we get it. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: And I was like, damn it, Why did I do this?
Speaker 3: But I earlier?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called boundaries.
Speaker 1: Found not good at them?
Speaker 2: But you know what you yeah? Yeah, I mean listen,
Speaker 2: I always say. I mean, I'm a recovering people pleaser,
Speaker 2: I'm a fixer. I to you know, single mom, codependent,
Speaker 2: like all the stuff, and you just look at how
Speaker 2: and I never I don't bemoan it and I don't
Speaker 2: complain about it. It's how I was put together. And
Speaker 2: I more just go like, oh well, I understand. Like,
Speaker 2: by the way, maybe my tone is going to be
Speaker 2: different because I'm not mad at you all for putting
Speaker 2: it on my schedule. I'm more like, I see how
Speaker 2: this happened. I was I'm going to do about it,
Speaker 2: and you were being.
Speaker 1: You and now I'm going to just hit the reset
Speaker 1: button and be like, we're going to do it different
Speaker 1: from here on out.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to do that anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, but I'll take it all on. I'll take it all.
Speaker 2: But you know what that being said, it's the blessing
Speaker 2: and the curse because it's what I love about myself
Speaker 2: so much, and it's also what can make things a
Speaker 2: little tough sometimes.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And if you you know, when you start to
Speaker 3: if you start to become a victim to it, then
Speaker 3: it's on you to go, oh yeah, it doesn't fit anymore.
Speaker 3: It used to feel me and now I don't like
Speaker 3: the way that feels. I want to still be me,
Speaker 3: but I'm just gonna carve it out a little differently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and sometimes take a minute to do that.
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, I mean, everyone talks about this,
Speaker 2: but everyone's just so in a rush. They like want
Speaker 2: their answer for everything. Now you have to do it now,
Speaker 2: and now we have all these smartphones so we actually
Speaker 2: can do it now. And you can literally be sitting there.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: And now I watched my fourteen year old Like, they
Speaker 2: expect it from me. They expect how productive I can be.
Speaker 2: They expect me to be able to order the thing.
Speaker 1: While calling the guy to then fix the thing.
Speaker 2: And it all happens so quick because I.
Speaker 3: Can't have before and you can.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and now I'm like, oh right, this might
Speaker 2: be yours to do.
Speaker 1: How about you take this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love you.
Speaker 2: Mommy loves you.
Speaker 3: You call well, no, you're eighteen, you actually have to
Speaker 3: be the one to call.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mommy loves you.
Speaker 1: This is Mommy loving you.
Speaker 3: Bye bye, oh boy, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well I could talk to you all day, but
Speaker 2: I think actually your people want you to go back
Speaker 2: to work.
Speaker 3: Okay, I have to go back to work. I got
Speaker 3: my next whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I adore you.
Speaker 2: I like watching you in all the different iterations of you.
Speaker 2: Certainly not reinventions, but thank you for allowing the world
Speaker 2: access to the different parts of you. And and I'm
Speaker 2: just grateful for you.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Happy New
Speaker 3: Year and all the above stuff.
Speaker 2: Happy New Year, thanks bye bye.
Speaker 3: The ste took a
Speaker 2: Step and took him the feet