1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Nori with you. Will Heart. Journalist, nature photographer, filmmaker, and 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: noted author. He has a deep and abiding interest in 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,159 Speaker 1: natural and human history. His work has been published in 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: Wild West, Sierra Heritage, Adventure, West Nexus, and New Don 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: and his articles have appeared in every issue of Atlantis 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Rising for the past two years plus, and he has 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: just signed the agreement to write a column for New 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: Don as well. Will Heart back on Coast to Coast. Well, 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: welcome back, Hey George, how are you. I'm doing great, 12 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: hope you are too. What's new? Good? Your voice sounds 13 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: the same. You realize that our first conversation was twenty 14 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: years ago? Yep, just when I started. Yeah, that's right, 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: and that's when my first book got published. So we're 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: in tandem on that the Genesis Race, if I remember. 17 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: That's right, right, And it's amazing the time has flown by, 18 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: as they say. I mean, it's just I was just 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: realizing it yesterday and I thought, my god, twenty years 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: has gone by. I know that's crazy, isn't And it 21 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: just seems like a lot has transpired and we're in 22 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: a different world. Would you agree, Yeah, we really are, 23 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: there's no question about that. And you know, I just 24 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: saw a story today of an ex Navy pilot talking 25 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: about these UAPs flying all over the place, and he said, 26 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: whatever they were, I couldn't catch them. They had maneuvers 27 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: that I've never seen before on aircraft. That's right. What 28 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: what do you deduced by that one? You know, the 29 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: military has known that all along. People on our side 30 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: of the fence who've been arguing that there's something real 31 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: in our skies that remains unknown, well they finally came 32 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: up to the plate and said, okay, we agree, we 33 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: stand convinced and corrected. It feels kind of good you 34 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: have been on the other side of because when I 35 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: started this out back in the late nineteen nineties writing 36 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: about these things, you were you were a nut case. 37 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: You know, if you talked about it, right, that's the 38 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: way it used to be. That's the way the media 39 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: treated you. That's right. And now we're in a whole 40 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: new ball game. And I wonder, you know, people in 41 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: our age group a little bit older got brainwashed. I mean, 42 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: let's face it, unless you experienced that, which I'm going 43 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about that tonight because I've 44 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: never talked about it before, never written about it publicly. 45 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: My own experience, but I hadn't experienced an observation back 46 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: in sixty nine, and that gut is what got me interested. 47 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: And I know Jacques Vally, you know, the mean, very 48 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: solid scientific researcher, that's what motivated him, you know, to 49 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: get into it and to stick with it, because once 50 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: you have that experience, it's like, I know what I 51 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: saw right period. I don't care what the government says. 52 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: I know what my eyes saw and what I experienced. 53 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: And anybody that's had that, and you know, there's not 54 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: that all percentage wise, there's not that many people that 55 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: have the experience. And it's odd that they seem to 56 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: have more than one experience over and over again, don't they. 57 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: It's very strange, isn't it. It's almost like they've been selected. 58 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: They may have been things like that. It seems like 59 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: they pick who they who they want to and this 60 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: could be rearranged, that could be part of you know, 61 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: our desk in the air karma or whatever you want 62 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: to call it, and our genetics and the whole history, 63 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: that certain people are just ready for it and other 64 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: people aren't. And I don't see I'll tell you, I 65 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: really looked at this on all these different levels. You 66 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: know that I'm not so sure that people who haven't 67 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: experienced it can ever really have the sense of what 68 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: it is. It's just an idea to them. Really, if 69 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: you've experienced it, you know firsthand how strange it really is. 70 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: And it may be, it may be to collectively the 71 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: majority really doesn't want to know. There's only a minority 72 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: of people that have enough curiosity and enough sense of 73 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: not being afraid of the mystery of it, the unknown, 74 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: but wanting to know the truth. That's what motivated me. 75 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: I don't I don't use the word belief because it's 76 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: a fact to me, and that's all I go by 77 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: his facts and evidence. And I'll tell you though, back 78 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: in that day, that's exactly the time that Eric van 79 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: Zankin came out with his books, and I was studying 80 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: the UFOs because I wanted to know what the heck 81 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: I had seen. And then I started reading his books 82 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: and I was thinking about it, and I got down 83 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: to a very basic practical thing. The pyramids and the 84 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: other and you know, the mysteries that are around the world, 85 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: they're not traveling around at ten thousand miles an hour. 86 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: They're fixed. They're in a place where I can you know, 87 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: touch them and see them and study them. So I 88 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: decided to go into into that, and only in the 89 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,239 Speaker 1: last book that I write about a hundred pages though 90 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: on UFOs on what I thought were the most solid 91 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: classic cases, and they were classic, and they were classic 92 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: cases too. There were good ones that you selected. They're 93 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 1: very solid cases, just very solid. So I wanted people, 94 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,119 Speaker 1: you know, to kind of introduce people that, look, there's 95 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: no as far as I'm concerned, and this is just 96 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: my point of view. I just blur the line between 97 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: modern UFOs and ancient UFOs because it's all the same continuum. 98 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: To me, it didn't all start in the nineteen forties. 99 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: It goes way back. As far back as we go. 100 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: People have always been saying these things and scratching their heads, 101 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: and one, you know, just in awe, what is this? 102 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: We still don't know? Will science ever get us the 103 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: answers that we're looking for? Will well that that's a 104 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: real question, because all thelong there's been this this idea 105 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: which I don't quite except that science hasn't been involved. 106 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: I know that science was involved, not in the big 107 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: way that it is right now. I mean we're talking 108 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: about you know, the head astronomer there at Harvard, you 109 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: know Avi Low, you've had him on or not, but yeah, 110 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: he's been on the program. Okay, then you're well aware 111 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: of what he's doing. And then NASA they've got their 112 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: own project going on. And we've got scientists already who've 113 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: made studies, have come out with their results. The problem, 114 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: part of the problem I see with it. There's lots 115 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: of people have studied this. How most people really have 116 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: studied this over the last seventy years. And the thing 117 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: with sciences, they've got to have hard data, Well, how 118 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: are they going to get it? All they can do 119 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: is go back to previous cases. They're not going to 120 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: quickly you find out, Well, we can't just go out 121 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: and get the data because we have to stand there 122 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: and look in the sky. And these things don't show 123 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: up on time or when you want them to. They 124 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: just come whenever they want to and they don't stick around, 125 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: So you can't take it to the lab. You can't 126 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: reproduce results. What do you do as a scientist. I mean, 127 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: I'm puzzled by by that whole aspect of this. And 128 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: they want hard evidence. Yeah, they want hard to give 129 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: me a give me a UFO. Can't take me up 130 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: in it and show them you know, well, I'm sorry, 131 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: but you have to listen to the pilots. Have you 132 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: watched any interviews with them, and you can just you know, 133 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I was in the Naval air and I 134 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: know what pilots are like. And when when a pilot 135 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: is just astonished by something, they communicate it. You can 136 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: tell in the tone of their voice and everything that 137 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: these guys experienced something that completely blew their minds. They 138 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: were hoping they weren't Russian or Chinese exactly, because yeah, 139 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: we'd be in big trouble yet. But they go so fast. 140 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: They can, you know, appear and disappear. You know, all 141 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: the flight characteristics are unbelievable. They defy physics. And so 142 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about something that you have to raise, like 143 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: Jacques Lillie did years ago, that they're probably interdimensional. They 144 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: can come into this. That's why they can disappear, and 145 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: they can appear and then they can disappear and pilots 146 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: have seen it, you know, they've they've reported it. So 147 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: the era of science. The other thing about science I 148 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: mean we know is it moves very slowly. It's going 149 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: to take them a long time to gather and it's 150 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: sort of like going back to square one. Lots of 151 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: studies have been done, so they're going to collect what 152 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: new data, go through old cases, which has been done 153 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: a lot, and do what exactly. I'm a little confused, 154 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: to be honest. A lot of people are will because 155 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's just answers. You're close, but they're just 156 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: not quite there yet. I don't I don't know if 157 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: we can. We have the problem. Part of the problem 158 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: I have is we don't control this. They do. So 159 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: we may want something right, But if they're the more 160 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: intelligent than we are, which I am assuming they are 161 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: from from what I conceive of what they've done on 162 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: this planet, in this solar system and so on, we're just, 163 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what to call us. Really, 164 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: we're kind of like transceivers that that did information. But 165 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: we didn't create any of this. We know it. Somebody did, 166 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: and they may not. They may be regulating how far 167 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 1: we can go and at what pace we can do 168 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: it if that makes sense. Well, years ago, will we 169 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: used to have scorched burn marks they left in fields 170 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: and things like that's right. We don't have that anymore, 171 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: you know. And I think of and I know, you 172 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: just have the folks on the Phoenix lights, those large, 173 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: super large, huge triangular shape. They're so different to me. 174 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: That marked to me, it communicated there's a change going on, 175 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: you know, a shift. They were very blatantly We're seen, 176 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: you know, traveling about four hundred miles, very slowly and 177 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: very low to the ground. They wanted to be seen, 178 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 1: but that was all. They just wanted to be seen, 179 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: like a display flying over the White House and the 180 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: Capitol Building in fifty two, right, exactly exactly. That was similar. 181 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: And I've been trying to I've been puzzling, and that 182 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: was one I wished I would have put in in 183 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: my last book that I omitted and I decided, you know, 184 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: to do. And I'm I'm in Las Vegas so I 185 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: can get down to Arizona, and I wanted to go 186 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: and kind of redo the whole thing. Yeah, you know, 187 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: an investigation and see where we are with this now. 188 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: And I just noticed that last week one was reported 189 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: and also photographed over San Antonio, Texas. Look pretty much 190 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: the same as the Phoenix lights. Large, triangular shaped, yeah, 191 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: large and obviously, I mean, if it's it's hard to 192 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: believe when people report that this object just completely blotted 193 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: everything out of the sky. It was so big and 194 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: some people are estimating a mile long, you know, are wide, 195 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: and that couldn't be kept anywhere. It's it's very hard 196 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: to conceive of what would they do? Where could it 197 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: take off? Where could they hide it? You know, it 198 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: just doesn't make any sense. I mean, the thing gets 199 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: weirder and weirder, and I found the same thing with 200 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: a lot of the ancient sites. Things get stranger the 201 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: deeper you go. You know, it's sort of like the 202 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: rabbit hole concept. You start, you go, and you keep 203 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: going and you realize, wait a minute, it just keeps 204 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: going and going, and kind of I'm talking about like, 205 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're familiar with the long Ue caves in China, Okay, 206 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, and the thing that struck me the most 207 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: powerful thing was Okay, the caves are really interesting. Chinese 208 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: government admits they don't know who created it, They have 209 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: no history of it. The local people didn't even have 210 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: any folk traditions about these caves. But now we know 211 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: there were twenty four of them. But the first cave 212 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: they discovered probably estimated five hundred million tons of rock 213 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: were taken out to create the cave. And the problem 214 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: is there's no waste rock anywhere. It was never problemed. 215 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: So when you have something like that, it's like, wait 216 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: a minute, this doesn't make any sense. Who could evaporate 217 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: the rock? Where'd it go? And then when you look 218 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: at the Pyramids, you asked the same question. We don't 219 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: have equipment today that can lift those blocks, that's right. 220 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: So we're talking about technological issues. How advanced would that 221 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: civilization have to have been whenever they did it, and 222 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: it was more than five thousand years ago. I'm convinced 223 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: of that, are you? I'm same same, I'm in your camp. 224 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: So I can't imagine what the technology was, and I 225 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: don't think anybody has so far. Why did they build it? Well, 226 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: Chris Dunn is onto something I'm not. I don't totally 227 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: know that he has all the answers. I doubt that 228 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: he would claim to. He claims it's a power plant, right, 229 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: that's right, which at the very least his concept and 230 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: the data he's presented makes people think, makes them look 231 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: at it not as a passive a tomb, which is ridiculous, 232 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: you know, a four million ton tomb. It's just silly 233 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: and frankly, that's why I can only laugh at the 234 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: things that historians and archaeologists say, even though I don't 235 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: find it funny, it's too serious because unless the pharaoh 236 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: had a great ego, right, even if he had a 237 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: huge ego, the question to me gets back to where 238 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: are the tools and how would you do it with? 239 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: And I know what the tools they claim were used, 240 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: and they're ridiculous. You created a precision engineered, you know, 241 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: forty eight story tall stone pyramid using stone age tools? 242 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: Are you? I don't think people realize that's what the 243 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: ancient Egyptians had, or one hundred thousand Egyptians pulling the 244 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: rocks silly. There's no way, Philly, because you take the 245 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,479 Speaker 1: most you take the most difficult task, which was to 246 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: get seventy tons blocks one hundred and fifty feet vertical 247 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:49,239 Speaker 1: feet up in the air. That's what you have to do. Well, 248 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: how are you going to do that? There's no amount 249 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: of slaves because I don't care if you built a ramp, 250 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: there wouldn't be enough slaves that could go up the 251 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: ramp and turn to pull it to pull it up. 252 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: They couldn't. They lifted off the ground. And then they 253 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: talk about the port theory. Do you know how much 254 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: mud they'd have to make to make that kind of stone? Right? 255 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: It doesn't solve the problem, right, No, it's illogical, it 256 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: really is. You know, maybe there I kind of look 257 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: at things sometimes it's pretty simplistic. But on one level, 258 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: there seems to be two types of people. One are 259 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: the problem solvers. Everything is a problem to be solved. 260 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: The other people look at the mysteries and realize they 261 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: really are mysteries. Instead of trying to come up with, 262 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: you know, artificial, nonsensical solutions to everything we see, they say, 263 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: you know what, it's a mystery. Listen to more Coast 264 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: to Coast AM every weeknight at one am Eastern and 265 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: go to Coast to Coast am dot com. I'm so there.