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Speaker 1: you would come to give you wisdom. Thus they said

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Speaker 1: you would come. Dropping Roping. Welcome to the Dropping Gems podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Debbie Brown. This is my show, and this is

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Speaker 1: part two of our episode with Lisa Donovan, the founder

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Speaker 1: So if you've already savored Part one. Welcome to Part

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Speaker 1: two or diving even deeper, and we are going to

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Speaker 1: be exploring how to use the pattern in relationship with others,

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Speaker 1: back into it. Welcome to Part two, Dropping Gems with

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Speaker 1: Lisa Donovan. You blow my mind, Lisa. I just want

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Speaker 1: to say, like your work is it's just I mean

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Speaker 1: in their info. I am definitely the person Lisa that

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Speaker 1: it along mother of patterns, so that but that it

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Speaker 1: just that, thank you so much for just it's just

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Speaker 1: so kind everything you're saying. And I appreciate it the pattern,

429
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Speaker 1: appreciate your love. It's got to feel overwhelming. I'm sure

430
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Speaker 1: like like to know the way in which you are

431
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Speaker 1: touching and shifting people. I'm sure it feels at a

432
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Speaker 1: certain point just like I can't even think about it.

433
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Speaker 1: I can't even let myself sit in this. It's too big. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean we never did pure Market because I didn't

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Speaker 1: want to be connected to it. I didn't think if

436
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Speaker 1: it is a personal thing. I just wanted it to

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Speaker 1: be it's things. It's part of growing a business. So

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Speaker 1: at a certain point I was like, this, we have

439
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Speaker 1: to do it about more people to know about it.

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Speaker 1: I Guessel have to go out there and do an

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Speaker 1: article or do probably got you to do this and

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Speaker 1: this has come on. Yeah, this is I feel so

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Speaker 1: lucky because it's meeting people like you. You know, in

444
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Speaker 1: my head it would be it was gonna be Um, yeah,

445
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Speaker 1: it's just people wanting to validate like people is this

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean and it's like, okay, look if

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Speaker 1: you don't get it, we don't need to talk about it,

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Speaker 1: right right. That was a big part of it also,

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Speaker 1: just like it's not about me. I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: create this thing, so I didn't want to And then

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Speaker 1: there's that's a lot too to take on it, like

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Speaker 1: the projection that could be put on you, and I

453
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Speaker 1: just wanted to stand on its own. I'm here to

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Speaker 1: support it and I'm here to move it along and

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Speaker 1: and so that Yeah, when you speak to it overall,

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Speaker 1: I think I I I separate from it in that

457
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Speaker 1: way and let it have its own thing and whatever

458
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Speaker 1: I was able to do, and right, that's what I do.

459
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Speaker 1: That this is great, and I'm gonna push it along

460
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Speaker 1: and it has its own destiny and I let it

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Speaker 1: stand for itself and hopefully have enough separation. Um. But

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Speaker 1: it was more of a fear before and now I'm

463
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Speaker 1: saying it's it's it's really lovely and it's okay to

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Speaker 1: be you know, connected to it, and I'm I'm okay,

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Speaker 1: you know it's it's it's not as overwhelming now. I

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Speaker 1: don't think I could have done it four years ago.

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Speaker 1: It's like being more you know, yeah they connected to it,

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Speaker 1: if that makes sense. But yeah, yeah, you know you

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Speaker 1: were you were one of the early adopters and pioneers

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Speaker 1: of YouTube and a video content creation and a really

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Speaker 1: big way before content actually been had a name. Um

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Speaker 1: And then when I think of you constructing the pattern

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Speaker 1: like the things that are the things that we're talking

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Speaker 1: about freely. Now, for some they're still going to be

475
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Speaker 1: like what, But for the majority of people, like new

476
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Speaker 1: language has been established, like we the past couple of

477
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Speaker 1: years have been such an accelerator for this space for

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Speaker 1: wellness as a whole, for healing as a whole. So

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Speaker 1: we've all come into some type of foundation with each other,

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Speaker 1: I think quickly. But I mean, you've been working on

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Speaker 1: this for so many years when people would probably say

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Speaker 1: something like is that witchcraft? Or you know people just

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Speaker 1: like not get it and be so close to it,

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Speaker 1: and so kind of seeing that pattern within your life

485
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Speaker 1: of being really really early to the things that are

486
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Speaker 1: so paradigm shifting and transformational. Um, what is that experience? Like,

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Speaker 1: I mean you've kind of now three different times hit

488
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Speaker 1: the nail on the head in really substantial ways. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's so, it's so fun I mean, yeah, you just

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Speaker 1: so you spoke YouTube just didn't nobody knew what it was.

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Speaker 1: Nobody did anybody of what I was talking about. It

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Speaker 1: was such a moment in time. Of course, you can't.

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Speaker 1: I mean I didn't even understand that concept of people

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Speaker 1: commenting on a video didn't exists or like what you know,

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Speaker 1: So it was Yeah, it was sort of being at

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Speaker 1: that place at that time and embracing it or you know,

497
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Speaker 1: putting in those ten thousand hours at that time. Um,

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Speaker 1: and I guess it's it's funny at the time, everything

499
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Speaker 1: feels normal when you're doing it. It feels obvious. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: don't you see, this is what's gonna happened, you know,

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Speaker 1: And and everything that happens happens later than you think

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Speaker 1: you think it's gonna happen, bester than you know. You

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Speaker 1: have to you have to stick hang in there, and

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Speaker 1: you spend a lot of time convinced people of like, no,

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Speaker 1: this this platform is great. You see how great it is? Um,

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Speaker 1: And maybe that's the Gemini and me too have like

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Speaker 1: it's it's fun to do things that are I don't

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Speaker 1: know anything about, and and it is something that again

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Speaker 1: sort of has just animated in me. So I follow

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Speaker 1: that and it was just authentic at the time. And

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Speaker 1: then finding astrology that was just that was just the

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Speaker 1: natural progression. It wasn't a thought, it wasn't overthinking. It

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Speaker 1: was just what it was. And I was designing it

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Speaker 1: because it was a time when people were astrologies having

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Speaker 1: a moment now where it's it's being embraced, but back

516
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Speaker 1: then it wasn't. So I was designing it for people

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Speaker 1: so that they didn't have to worry about that astrology stuff,

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Speaker 1: you know. And I had that in mind. I knew

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Speaker 1: it was sort of early and it's just you know,

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Speaker 1: I guess, following your gut, following your intuition. I feel like, um,

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Speaker 1: that's been my greatest Um, save your gift. You know,

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Speaker 1: that intuitive whisper, that intuitive voice and just keeps you going,

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Speaker 1: keeps you on the right path. Let's you know when

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Speaker 1: it's time to get off of something when it's been

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Speaker 1: enough where to go? And I don't know, you know,

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Speaker 1: I it's a lot of these things aren't um logical

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Speaker 1: thinking things. These are whatever spirit intuition just moving through

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Speaker 1: you and just where you need to be now, you know,

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Speaker 1: you move on and and letting go to when things

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Speaker 1: are I think that's I let go easily because I'm like,

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Speaker 1: let's see what's what's next, you know, and so let's

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Speaker 1: go there, and that's a let's see what's going on there?

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Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's a good question. I have no idea how this

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Speaker 1: has happened. But here I am and it's a different path,

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Speaker 1: you know, and it's not maybe it's traditional and certain

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Speaker 1: things get sacrificed for it, but it's just it's it's

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Speaker 1: authentic to me and then it's me and I love

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Speaker 1: being alive, being here and it feels good. M Something

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Speaker 1: you just said, I think is where I would love

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Speaker 1: to anchor this to end for everyone is we talk

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Speaker 1: a lot about intuition, and it is really understandable why

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Speaker 1: so many of us may find ourselves disconnected from our

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Speaker 1: intuition because society and all of the structures that play

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Speaker 1: our curriculum or families of origin like very often our

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Speaker 1: gaslighting us for lack of which takes you away from

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Speaker 1: your intuition, which that natural, beautiful intuition and guidance you

548
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: came to Earth with slowly moves farther and far away

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Speaker 1: from you, and you begin to be in a place

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Speaker 1: where you don't believe you can trust yourself. And I

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Speaker 1: think something that is so beautiful about doing the work,

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Speaker 1: in any work um is that you begin to reconnect

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Speaker 1: to that. But especially the pattern is such a beautiful

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Speaker 1: resource for reminding yourself that you can trust yourself when

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Speaker 1: you are looking at these patterns that play like this,

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Speaker 1: This act can be used for so much fun, but

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Speaker 1: it's also a powerful tool, I think, to build your

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Speaker 1: spiritual confidence the things that you innately knew or believed

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Speaker 1: about yourself that weren't quantified or validated. And the outside

560
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: world you read it and you are seeing your herd.

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Speaker 1: You're understood, and then you can take a breath because

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Speaker 1: you realize nothing is wrong with me. There's nothing wrong

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Speaker 1: with you, there's nothing that you're doing or not doing.

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Speaker 1: Now you know your curriculum, So how do you want

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Speaker 1: to play the cards? That you've been given. How do

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Speaker 1: you want to co create your life? Um, that's it.

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't think I could ever say it

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Speaker 1: as well as you said. That's the that's the hope.

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Speaker 1: So that the intention of this thing. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I lost touch with my intuition for many years and

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Speaker 1: it's helped me bring back. So I think what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: and it is exactly. It's just hopefully it's connecting people

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Speaker 1: back to their truth and get them on a past

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Speaker 1: to just trust themselves. That's it, you know, Lisa, I am.

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for your time today, and I am

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Speaker 1: so grateful for your work. I'm so grateful for your

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Speaker 1: life path. This is so powerful. Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank You's right back at you. You're amazing and the

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Speaker 1: work you're doing is amazing, and I'm so grateful you

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Speaker 1: had me on this podcast and I just love talking

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Speaker 1: to you and your incredible person and thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Love loves I know, love truly. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let a show. Thank you so much for joining, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for really holding space for this conversation

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Speaker 1: and for some soul work. As we end this show,

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Speaker 1: I really encourage everyone um, if you haven't already download

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Speaker 1: the pattern, take a few moments to plug in your information,

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Speaker 1: locate your birth certificate, that's where your birth time is,

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Speaker 1: ask your parents. UM, but plugging your info and just

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Speaker 1: start playing around with it. You don't have to read

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Speaker 1: through everything right now, and you don't have to understand

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Speaker 1: everything right now, but really really take a beat and

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Speaker 1: sink your teeth into reading through some of the patterning,

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Speaker 1: some of the themes, some of the expressions that you

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Speaker 1: may be seen in your birth chart, and just spend

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Speaker 1: a couple of days with it and see what starts

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Speaker 1: to apply, what starts to fit, what's giving you some

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Speaker 1: deeper insights. And I highly recommend as you do this,

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Speaker 1: having a journal handy and just jotting down different thoughts,

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Speaker 1: jotting down different nahas, jotting down noticings of when this

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Speaker 1: is feeling really aligned with who you know yourself to be,

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Speaker 1: or some deeper themes that you may have been playing with.

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Speaker 1: As always, big thank you for listening, and if you

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Speaker 1: have not yet, UM, I just want to encourage you

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Speaker 1: and thank you in advance for leaving a five star

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Speaker 1: review and taking a second to type up a review.

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Speaker 1: at Debbie Brown. You connect with Lisa Donovan on the

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Speaker 1: Gram at Mother of Patterns, Big Love, and I'm Must

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