1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: On the Jordan Harbinger Show, You'll hear amazing stories from 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: people that have lived them, from spies to CEOs, even 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: an undercover agent who infiltrated the Gambino crime family. You're 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: about to hear a preview of The Jordan Harbinger Show 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: with Jack Garcia, who did just that. My career was 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: twenty four out of twenty six years was solely dedicated 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: working on the cover. I walk in, I'm in the bar. 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: How there's a bar made? Dare good looking young lady 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: see serving me? Joey, Hey, what would you like? I 10 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: usually my frank was give me a kettle, one martini, 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: three olives, class of water on the side. I finished 12 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: the drink. The guys come in. I'm gonna go go 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: in my pocket, take out the big wad of money. Hey, am, 14 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: I give her one hundred hours. If you're with the mob, 15 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: I say, hey, Jordan, you're on record with us. That 16 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: means we protect you. Nobody could shake you down. We 17 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: could shake you down. Oh, you're on record with us. 18 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: For more on how Jack became so trusted in the 19 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: highest levels of the Gambino organization, check out episode three 20 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: ninety two of the Jordan Harbinger show, the military matters 21 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: a lot, And look, we're gonna do a big special tonight, 22 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: so we're gonna talk about Iran and North Korea and 23 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: Russia and China, and we're gonna really talk a lot 24 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: about our enemies. But before we get to that, let's 25 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: talk about our military. Because when I say things like 26 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: the military matters a lot, I'm actually not doing that 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: bread and butter American support our troops type thing. I'm 28 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: not saying that. I'm saying when you're a wealthy nation, 29 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: you make enemies. When you're a powerful nation, do you 30 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: make enemies. We have a lot of enemies in this world. 31 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,919 Speaker 1: We have a lot of people who would love nothing 32 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: more than to see the Great American experiment come crashing down. Well, 33 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: why haven't they done anything about it? It's not as 34 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: if this world is all of a sudden lacking tyrants 35 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: who want to take over a place or kill people. 36 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: The will has never lacked those types of people. They 37 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: never will lacked those types of people. Why haven't they 38 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: done it? Well, because we have a military who will 39 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: kill you if you try. That's the truth. And you know, 40 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: you well know I'm not invade everywhere Jesse. That's not 41 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: me a bit of a non interventionist. But the only 42 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: reason the wolves have been held at bay, it's because 43 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: of our military. Our military matters a lot, and our 44 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: military has gone through a horrible, horrible transition in recent years, 45 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: and they are rotting out from underneath us. And people 46 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: don't know about it. Oh, don't get me wrong. Are 47 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: my buddies who are still in. They talk to me 48 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: about it all the time. They complain they get out. 49 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: They're telling their sons not to join. It's that bad. 50 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: But what do I tell you about communists and communism? 51 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: Communists they don't look at anything anything and say to 52 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: themselves as leave that alone. That's not how they think communism. 53 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: One of the basic tenets of communism is it must 54 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: be for everybody, it must be universal, it has to 55 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: be worldwide. And that is one of the reasons we 56 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: lost this culture, as we have never understood that. We 57 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: have never fought like they're going to take it all. 58 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: We always thought, well, I'll have my church. How's that 59 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: working out for you? I have, Well, at least we 60 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: have the cub Scouts. Oops, though you didn't, well, well 61 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: we have corporations. I mean these are rich guys. They're 62 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: not gonna they're not gonna go to their side. How 63 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: that work? And we always hung on to the military, 64 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: didn't we hard work, meritocracy, discipline, These are obviously Republican values. 65 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: That's that's never gonna go their way. Oh yeah it did? 66 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah? Did you remember that communists they busted at 67 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: West Point a couple of years ago? Do you think 68 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: he was the only one or was he the only 69 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: one stupid enough to put a picture of it on 70 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: social media? Don't fool yourself. We are in bad, bad 71 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: trouble right now. And I don't know why I see 72 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: so much surprise about this from people on the right. 73 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: They'll even try to deny it. Are you trying to 74 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: be against our troops? They're not going to do that, 75 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: of course they are. These people are communists. What communist 76 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: nation have you ever known that didn't have ideological purity 77 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: tests within its mirror, within its military. They all do. 78 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: That's the basic stuff. They're not going to let the 79 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: enforcement arm go off half cocked thinking about, you know, 80 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: things that aren't approved. That's not how they work. That's 81 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: how they work it up. Do you see this headline 82 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: from Reuters A couple days ago, quote Pentagon stumped by 83 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: extremism in the ranks, orders the stand down, and then 84 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 1: orders stand down and the next six see days, and 85 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: that was. If you dig further into it, they're going 86 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: to dig into things like white nationalism, extremism. Let me 87 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: ask you something. These people are all leftist now, all 88 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: of them, all of them gone through the American education system, 89 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: all good little commies. Now let's talk about you for 90 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: a moment. What are your beliefs and which of your 91 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: beliefs do you think they would say are extreme? If 92 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: you think life begins at conception, You've seen who these 93 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: people are, You've seen how they talk. Do you think 94 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: they would view that as being extreme? Or let's go 95 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: with a basic view. Maybe maybe you're a Christian or 96 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: a traditional Jew, or a traditional Muslim or something about 97 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: do you believe that marriage is between a man and 98 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: a woman. You're free to believe whatever you want, But 99 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: do you believe that? Do you think they think that's 100 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: extreme and hateful? Ambigoted? What about the Second Amendment? What 101 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: do you think about the Second Amendment? Do you know 102 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: that we know for a fact because they talked about 103 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: it extensively. The Second amendment has nothing to do with hunting. 104 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: It's not even really about home protection from a burglar 105 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: breaking in. Those are nice benefits of it. The second 106 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: Amendment is if the United States of America's government becomes despotic, 107 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: it's so you can protect yourself against it. Do you 108 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: think they consider that to be in extreme view? I 109 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: got word today as they're looking through how they're going 110 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: to enforce these policies. What these policies mean. One of 111 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: their things is going to be that stupid Pepe the 112 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: frog thing people use on social media. It became a 113 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: symbol of Trump fans. They would put some frog up there. 114 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: There was some online forum joke, Well, they're going to 115 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: be combing through the social media pages of the military 116 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: to see if there's any frog pictures up. There might 117 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: be extremest And I'm not just talking about Democrats versus Republicans. 118 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking about an ideological rot that has worked its 119 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: way through our entire military. Now it's really, really, really bad. 120 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: Which that's one thing in peacetime. I mean, okay, it's 121 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: not ideal. Right now, Peacetime doesn't last forever. And your enemies, 122 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: the people you compete against, they're not always going to 123 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: be a tiny, ragtag country you can slap around with 124 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: very little effort at all. You realize that, right the 125 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: history of the world. The history of the world says 126 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: that's not the case. And when the wolves come, if 127 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: you're not ready for them, you're in very, very deep trouble. 128 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: And right now we're not ready for them. I told 129 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: I told you this story before. I have a guy 130 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: high up in the United States Navy. He said, all 131 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: those great commanders from World War Two, all the legends 132 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: you know, all the names you would know, He said, 133 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: not one of those guys would make it past LT today. 134 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: Do you want an example A remember that destroyer CEO, 135 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: the head of the destroyer, his men do a mission. 136 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: They capture an AK forty seven on the mission mission accomplished. 137 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: Good job, boys, he has a plaque made of it. 138 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: It's a good thing, right we did it. He got demoted, 139 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: kicked off, goodbye. You see celebration of success. Get you 140 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: kicked off? Do you remember this disgraceful scene while Joe 141 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: Biden was Vice president during Obama's presidency where Iran Iran 142 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: had our men and women on their knees, hands on 143 00:08:53,679 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: their heads. Do you remember that that's Iran, Iran, US 144 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: on our knees. What does that look like after ten 145 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: twenty more years of this social justice warrior rot destroying 146 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: our military? It is a big deal. And so we're 147 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: going to talk about all these countries tonight, China, North Korea, Iran, Russia. 148 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: Do you think China, North Korea, Iran or Russia do 149 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: you think any of them are doing social justice warrior 150 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: thing in their ranks or do you think they're spending 151 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: every single minute of every single day figuring out new 152 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: and inventive ways to kill you. I know what they're doing. 153 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: All that may have made you uncomfortable, but I'm right, 154 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about those evil empires next. 155 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: And rest assured we do talk about evil on this show. 156 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 1: These countries are evil, oppressive, horrible places that will do 157 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: horrible things with whoever they conquer. We had better be ready. 158 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: Let's talk about what we're facing tonight. Hang on. Well, 159 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: it's a dangerous world out there, and no, I don't 160 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: just mean crossing the street on a major highway. There 161 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: are nuclear weapons in the world, and I think we 162 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: forget about that sometimes. And some countries who really hate 163 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: our guts have them here's a list in case you 164 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: don't know, of the countries who have nukes US obviously, 165 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: sorry about that, Japan, UK France, Israel, Pakistan, Russia, India, China, 166 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: and North Korea. And I want to focus on a 167 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: couple of those countries now with Francis Martel. She's the 168 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: bright part international news editor, a bright part news Francis China. 169 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: Let's start there. What's their nuclear arsenal look like compared 170 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: to ours? Like everybody else is, it's pretty tiny compared 171 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: to ours. But you know, anytime an enemy has more 172 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: than one, that's a problem. We do believe that there's 173 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: somewhere in the thousands. They're trying to keep it secretive, 174 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: and we do know that they're trying to update the arsenal, 175 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: but that it isn't as modern as what we have. Okay, 176 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: and forgive me, I'm very naive. I went to community college. 177 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: Does everybody's everyone has that? Who has these nuclear weapons? 178 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: They can reach anywhere in the world with them. They 179 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: all have to be launched from sub satellites. They press 180 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: a button on the ground. How does this work? Well, 181 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: you need to have you know, you have the warhead, 182 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: which is the actual nuke and then you have to 183 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: have a transportation device, So not everybody has, you know, 184 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: an intercontinental ballistic missile where they could go across the 185 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: Pacific and bomb US. I think that was a big 186 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: concern with North Korea constantly threatening that they had one 187 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: and then suddenly retreating and threatening to bomb Guam instead 188 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: of bombing Los Angeles, And that was kind of a 189 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: hint like, Okay, maybe they don't have the capabilities, but 190 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: this is obviously a big issue. I think of all 191 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: the countries that we talk about as our enemies who 192 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: have nuclear weapons, China obviously has the most ability to 193 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: probably reach something that is significantly within US territory. Where 194 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: does North Korea's technology lie when it comes to this? Look, 195 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: I am as guilty as anyone else of making fun 196 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: of North Korea every time they flutter one into the 197 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: South China Sea. But I'm assuming they're only getting better 198 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: and not getting worse. How much better are they? They're 199 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: a little better. The last thing they debuted was a 200 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: submarine powered missile, so something that could hit you know, 201 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: an important military asset of ours in the Pacific, but 202 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: not something quite yet that could hit say, you know, 203 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: Washington or New York or Los Angeles. We know that 204 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: they've attempted to detonate bombs that they claim our hydrogen bombs, 205 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: but the seismic impact of the nuclear tests isn't big 206 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: enough to really confirm that that's what it was. It 207 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: could have been, you know, a sort of a more 208 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: conventional atomic weapon plus more dynamite to make it look bigger. 209 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: But we're not totally sure what it is. But we 210 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: know that it's slightly less than what they say, and 211 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: yet enough to really concern us because we have important 212 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: assets all over the world. For instance, saying on North 213 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: Korea for just a brief moment, if you allow me, 214 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: how is their military? I understand it's not anywhere equal 215 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: to ours, but I have a hard time believing they 216 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: have the funds to supply an extremely modern military. At 217 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: the same time, I don't want to, you know, undersell 218 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: my opponent. What are they well? And an interesting thing 219 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: is if you would have asked me this question four 220 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: years ago, we would have been having a totally different conversation. 221 00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: Since President Trump advanced the multilateral sanctions on North Koreans seventeen, which, 222 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: by the way, he got China to agree to sanction 223 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: North Korea, which is mind blowing. They really don't have 224 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: the money for this. I mean, they haven't had a 225 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: nuclear test since twenty seventeen. They're mostly using their military 226 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: right now to keep the border shut because they're terrified 227 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: of a coronavirus outbreak. They have no money to construct 228 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: hospitals that they started building during the pandemic, and they 229 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: were just hit by a severe floodwave last summer, so 230 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: they have no food. The only real advantage they have 231 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: is that North Korea has very complex territory. They have 232 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: these horrible cold mountains that are very difficult to navigate, 233 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: and that's their home turf, so they have at least 234 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: an advantage on difficult terrain. But in terms of training, assets, equipment, 235 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: they are severely underfunded. Good no, you mentioned China sanctioning 236 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: North Korea. I've always found this relationship to be fascinating. 237 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: What is it? Are they friends cousins? Is it a 238 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: big brother little brother? Does North Korea do what they're told? 239 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: Are they belligerent and do whatever they want? It's interesting. 240 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: So I think it's a relationship where they regret kind 241 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: of getting into this relationship where they sort of regret 242 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: that generations ago they made this pact. Technically, China and 243 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: North Korea are still at war with US and with 244 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: the South Koreans. The Korean War never ended, so the 245 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: real title is that their nominal allies in a war. 246 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: But Kim Jong moon has made very clear that he 247 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: considers himself the supreme leader of North Korea and he 248 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: doesn't think anybody's his boss. Shi Jingping has shown, you know, 249 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: sort of an exhaustion with dealing with Kim Jong Moon 250 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: to the point that he agreed to those sanctions. And 251 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: if you read their state media going back and forth, 252 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: North Korea referred to China as a puppet of the 253 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: United States at one point when they agreed to the sanctions. 254 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: It's not a friendly relationship, but at this point they 255 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: have no choice. It's been seventy years that they've been 256 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: in the same war together. Okay. Is the North Korean economy? 257 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: How do they make any money at all? Most of 258 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: it is illicit trade, a lot of it across the 259 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: Yalu River, which is the border with China. So it's 260 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: all very localized trade where you have people taking North 261 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: Korean seafood, North Korean coal and trying to sell it 262 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: in China. And then you have Chinese traders trying to 263 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: make money just bringing in food and necessary assets. At 264 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: this point, the North Korean economy is almost non existent 265 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: because North Korea totally shut down its border, China shut 266 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: down its border, and they're both afraid of giving each 267 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: other coronavirus. So it's very dire by all accounts. But 268 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: normally what we would have is a lot of illicit trade. Okay, well, 269 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: there were all these rumors. I remember them very well. 270 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: What six months ago, a year ago, Kim jong un 271 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: was dead, Kim Jong u was almost dead, and then 272 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: all that just kind of went away. Is this guy dead? No, 273 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: we have no reason to believe he's dead. Every few 274 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: months he dies, and there are sort of competing theories 275 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: about why this is right. Either it's counterintelligence meant to 276 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: confuse us. Either it's Kim Joan himself faking his death 277 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: to see who under him would be happy if he died, 278 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: and then purging those people. We have theories that, you know, 279 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: the time, the last time we thought he was dead, 280 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: there was a theory that he just had coronavirus. And 281 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: we know that he's obese and he's a smoker, he 282 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: has comorbidities, so it's possible that he was extremely sick. 283 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: But these are all rumors. They all come through either 284 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: anonymous sources or diplomats within the North Korean State that 285 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: are trying to fight a little bit against their own regime, 286 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: and it's so difficult to call anything about it anything 287 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: but gossip. Okay. Now, lastly, my favorite subject, a place 288 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: that fascinates me Russia. What is Russia militarily? Are they 289 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: juggernauts still? I obviously know that plenty of nuclear weapons. 290 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: I know their space program is pretty advanced. What are 291 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: they military? Well, I mean, I think we can judge 292 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: them by the enemies they choose. And they've chosen to 293 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: invade Georgia and Ukraine, so those are the countries that 294 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: they feel like they are on par with militarily. I 295 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: think an army like the People's Liberation Army in China 296 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: could easily defeat the Russian military. The Indian military just 297 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: beat China on their borders, so I'm sure they could 298 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: take out the Russians. This is uh like if I 299 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: was a middle level country in terms of military size, 300 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: again like Ukraine, like Georgia, this is a juggernaut. If 301 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm China, the United States, India, Pakistan, basically any other 302 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: nuclear state. I'm not worried. Okay, now, what about European nations, 303 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: how how well basically trying to gauge how much can 304 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: we rely on them if Russia does act up? Where 305 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: is where's Britain these days? France? Well, the European Union's 306 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: pretty quiet about this sort of thing. Once in a while. 307 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: They give a human rights a war to some poor 308 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: dissident that Puhin has abused for a few years. But 309 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: we can't rely on them because economically, Russia has a 310 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: bit of a stranglehold with all its nuclear or sorry, 311 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: it's natural resources. It's got oil, it's got natural gas. Um, 312 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: it's constantly trying to sell cheaper you know, warming fuels 313 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: to Europe, and Europe is interested. And this is something 314 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: that came up at the last the last couple of 315 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: NATO meetings, right with President Trump. He came up and 316 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: he said, you're accusing me of being friendly to Putin, 317 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: but you're actually doing business and enriching the guy. And 318 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: it's very it's clearly a national security threat to all 319 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: of the NATO countries when you have you know, the 320 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: security of the country at risk, because if Russia just 321 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: decides not to sell natural gas to you know, half 322 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: of these EU countries, then you have a serious problem. 323 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: Francis Martel, you will be back soon. Thank you so much, ma'am. 324 00:19:54,640 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: That was also thank you. We'll be back. All eyes 325 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: are on the Biden's administration approach to China, how they're 326 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: going to handle China, how they're going to handle trade 327 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: with China, military with China, because look, it's the history 328 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: there is really ugly. We can the media can try 329 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,959 Speaker 1: to suppress that all day want. The Biden family's history 330 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: with China, it's not great. Jen Saki is being asked 331 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: about it. We're starting from an approach of patients as 332 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: it relates to our relationship with China. So that means 333 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,239 Speaker 1: we're going to have consultations with our allies. We're going 334 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: to have consultations with Democrats and Republicans, and we're going 335 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: to allow the interagency process to work its way through 336 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: to review and assess how we should move forward with 337 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: our relationship. Those are a bunch of words that don't 338 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: really say anything, don't mean anything to me, So we 339 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: figured we'd bring in an expert and figure out exactly 340 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: what's what over there and what we need to do. 341 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: So joining me now is Waifang Zong. He's a senior 342 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: research fellow with the market As Center at George Mason University. 343 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: That means he's a lot smarter than all of us. Waifang, 344 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: explain to me what we're expecting out of the Biden administration? 345 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: Is it just going to be more of the same, 346 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: but they'll talk nicer. Thanks for having me, Jesse. So, 347 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: I think the big challenge now facing US policymakers is 348 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: we need to move from a China policy one point 349 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: oh to China policy two point z, meaning that during 350 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: the Trump administration, American policymakers are now increasingly aware that 351 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: China not only presents economic opportunities, it also presents national 352 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: security threats or national security concerns. Now once now we 353 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: are pretty clear about that. But moving into the Biden administration, 354 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: now the challenge is how to balance these two considerations, 355 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: because we do still want to trade with China because 356 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: the economic opportunities are there, but we don't want to 357 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: compromise our national securities. So this is why striking a 358 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: balance it's very complicated, and words like what you just 359 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: are shown doesn't mean a lot, because we need to 360 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: get down to the details, and there are many details 361 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: when it comes to national security threats and how to 362 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: still preserve a trade relations in a way that's safe 363 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: so to speak, Well, how do we because because I understand, 364 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: international relations are complicated, they're message they always are. Diplomacy 365 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: is just naturally messy. You're you're doing diplomacy with your 366 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: enemies lots at the time China, there are enemies. They 367 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: consider us to be the enemy, but you're right, we 368 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: do have some trade with them. How do we balance that? 369 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: What is the appropriate balance O case? We're exchanging goods, 370 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: but we hate each other. So I think what we 371 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: need to the balance we need to strike strike here 372 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: is that we need to move away from what the 373 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: US has been doing for two over two decades, which 374 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: is to just conduct romantic trade relations. After China joined 375 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: the WTO. Now there are a lot of security concerns 376 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: when it comes to, you know, in the economic relations 377 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: with China, and I think technology is the most important 378 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: one now at this moment. I want to bring in 379 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: the issue with Taiwan here because it presents where technological 380 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: challenge is between US and China. Because as we have 381 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: seen in the past two weeks right there are intense 382 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: military activities over the Taiwan straight And the reason that 383 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: in the news is because Taiwan is the industry leader 384 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: when it comes to semiconductor manufacturing and China is trying 385 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: to catch up with the US and the rest of 386 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: the industrial world in terms of manufacturing semiconductor chips, and 387 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: Taiwan is the absolute leader in that sense. And this 388 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: is why Taiwan has been of such great interests in 389 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: terms of a US China competition and defending the security 390 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: of semi conductor industry is of a great interest to 391 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: the US. So this is the kind of the new 392 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: ones that US policy makers have to pay attention to. 393 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: It's not just whether to trade or not, because we 394 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,719 Speaker 1: know that we need to maintain the trade relations. The 395 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: question is how in a way that's sophisticated and safe. Wait, fan, 396 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: will you please explain what a semi conductor is for 397 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,239 Speaker 1: those of us who went to community college, Absolutely so. 398 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: Semi conductor chips is like the brain for computers and 399 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: electronic device And the thing about semi conductor chips is 400 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: that we want all we always wanted to be for 401 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: the parts to be small. The smaller the better, and 402 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: Taiwan has the highest capacity in the world to be 403 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: able to manufacture very small chips, and China is playing 404 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: very hard in catching up because China's semi conductor ships 405 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: has been you know, their parts are much bigger according 406 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: to the industry standard. And so the Taiwan, the Taiwan 407 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company or TSNC, it's the absolutely industry 408 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: leader because they are leading even Intel and Samsung in 409 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: South Korea because they can produce very small chips, and 410 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: that's off great value because the smaller is always the 411 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: better when it comes to electronic devices. Wall Fan. One 412 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: of the things that really struck me about the Cold 413 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: War if you look back on things like that, was 414 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: we Americans, obviously, for understandable reasons, look at things to 415 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: the American perspective, But if you talk to the Soviet guys, 416 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: the big shots, Soviet guys throughout there, they were always 417 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: worried about us. They thought we were the big, bad 418 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: bully and they thought they were the innocent ones. How 419 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: worried is China about us? We always worry about them. 420 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: How worried are they about us? That's absolutely It's a 421 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: great point you bring up, because it's exactly the same 422 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,719 Speaker 1: in China too, because from the Chinese government's perspective, they 423 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: are no longer as interested in European Union, for example, 424 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: they are now still much more interested in understanding the 425 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: US because they view the US as the greatest obstacle 426 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: to the path toward achieving the Chinese dream of rejuvenization 427 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: of their nation. And that's precisely the policy under PRESIDENTSHIPI 428 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: Thing and his predecessors. For a few years now, I've 429 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: been wandering a research program called the Policy Change Index, 430 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: where we try to read between the lines of Chinese 431 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: propaganda from what they're saying to understand their behavior. And 432 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: one of the major policy initiatives under the current and 433 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: two previous Chinese presidents is to become a world leader, 434 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: the leader on the global stage, and the US is 435 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: obviously in between where China now and achieving their goal 436 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: towards a global leader. Is that the only reason they 437 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: view US as an obstacles because we happen to be 438 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: above them at the time about them, and also we 439 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: hold very different values, right, so when it comes to 440 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, freedom and democracy, which is values that the 441 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: Chinese do not hold and that presents a conflict because 442 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: from the Chinese perspective, if the US holds a different 443 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: value and the US is ahead of China, then it's 444 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: a problem. Right. It's hard to justify to the Chinese 445 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: people why we still hold values different from the US 446 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: values because we are behind, right, and so the US 447 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: is ahead of us. And so this is precisely why 448 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: events like January sixth on the Capitol Hill is to 449 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: the Chinese from the Chinese perspective, and advantage to them, 450 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: because that's where they can hold against us and say, see, 451 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: democracy sometimes doesn't work, maybe our values is not that bad. 452 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: So I think the values is Besides what the fact 453 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: that we are economically more advanced than China. The values 454 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: we hold that that are different from Chinese values is 455 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: also the reasons why they view us very differently as 456 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: an adversary. We obviously don't know a ton about what 457 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: the individual citizen in China believes or wants because they 458 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: are so censored and controlled over there, but we are. 459 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: We always pretend like they want to be us. People 460 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: stuck in these crappy regimes want to be American? Is 461 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: that the case is? That is that do they look 462 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: at us. Do we have any indication that their citizen 463 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: really looks at us and thinks, man, that would be 464 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: way better than this. Well, at the individual level, perhaps 465 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: that's true, because what I can say is that I 466 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: was born and raised in China. People. I came to 467 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: America well over a decade ago, and when I was 468 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: growing up there, you know, people like me, the place 469 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: we looked up to is the outside world. What's outside 470 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: of the United what is outside of China and the 471 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: United States is you know, the example, an example of 472 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: the where the free world is. And so at the individual, 473 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: individual level, I believe the Chinese people they do know 474 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: that the US smaller bands and for example, you knowvaccines, 475 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen vaccines. Chinese people they are aware that the 476 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: vaccines produced by the Americans are you know, at least 477 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: more effective and savor than vaccine produced by China. But 478 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: what the Chinese people think at a policy level is 479 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: less relevant in my opinion, than what the Chinese policymakers 480 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: or Chinese government things. And this is why we emphasize 481 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: so much on what Chinese policymakers are thinking when it 482 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: comes to the US, because that matters a lot to 483 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: what they would do on the global stage, and that 484 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: metters a lot to how the US should respond to them. Way, 485 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: thanks on, that was freaking awesome. Thank you man. I 486 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: appreciate you. Thank you for having me Jesse. I love 487 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: getting smarter. I have a long way to go, a 488 00:29:46,320 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: long way to go. All right, we'll be back. North 489 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: Korea and Iran always make me nervous because they're wild cards. 490 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: They're complete wild cards, and I don't know what's going 491 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,959 Speaker 1: on in there. And I'm glad we're about to have 492 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: somebody on that knows what's going on in there, because 493 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: I hear Anthony Blincoln, our Secretary of State, say this quote. 494 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: Based on public reports, the time that it would take 495 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: Iran to produce enough fistal material for nuclear weapon is down. 496 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: Do we think a few months? That doesn't sound good? 497 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: Joining me now to talk about that and other things 498 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: is Lieutenant Colonel James J. Carrovano. He's the vice president 499 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: from National Security and Foreign Policy at the Heritage Foundation. 500 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: Colonel Iran with a nuclear weapon? Do they watch? That 501 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: doesn't sound good? Yeah? Probably because it's not a really 502 00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: good idea and people think the Molas with a nuclear weapon, 503 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: and you know, But the reality is is the real 504 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: significant danger of a nuclear Iran is that no Arab 505 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: nation in the region would sit by and watch itself 506 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: be intimidated by a nuclear Iran. So almost predictably, Saudi 507 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: Arabia and most likely Turkey and Egypt would immediately produce 508 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: nuclear programs to match against Iran An Iranian influence. So 509 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: literally overnight, you would have upwards of what five nuclear 510 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: powers in the region. And you know, literally that's like 511 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: throwing you know, a match stick in you know, throwing 512 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, fire on the gasoline. It's h or gasoline 513 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: on the fire. It's just it's not a healthy situation, 514 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: you know. I would laugh to hear Blincoln say, oh 515 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: my god, they're months away from being able to produce 516 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon. And what he means by that is 517 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: Iran moved to twenty percent nuclear enrichment, which by the way, 518 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: is the violation of the randeal that gets you about 519 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: ninety percent of the way to producing fiscile material for 520 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: a bomb. So literally they're a snap away from having 521 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: building material for a bomb. And then they've always had 522 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,959 Speaker 1: bomb plans and they can manufacture a bomb, and then 523 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: they already have the missiles So the irony of this 524 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: is you hear Blincoln weren't about this. This is largely 525 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: because of the Orondeal which the Obama administration, which Blincoln 526 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: was a part of, put in place. Because what this 527 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: demonstrate if they could so quickly and easily get a 528 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: point that they can make a bomb. That's because the randal, 529 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: which by the way, they are still a party too, 530 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: was never a real obstacle them to the first us 531 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: to them in the first place, which shows that when 532 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: the Obama team said we have a deal that keeps 533 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: them from getting a bomb, they were lying to us. 534 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: And now we've brought back all the people that negotiated 535 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: that deal and put them in charge. Oh okay. I 536 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: get people that ask me this all the time, because 537 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: I have a bunch of friends from Israel, have family 538 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: in Israel, and they ask things like, why don't we 539 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: stop them? Well, that's such a simplistic question. Can we 540 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: stop them? Could we stop them from doing this in 541 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: some way if we wanted to? Well, if you if 542 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: you mean, you know, stop them militarily? It would be 543 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: difficult to do that without literally having an all out war. 544 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: You would have to attack or physically attack multiple sites 545 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: you would probably have to attack them many times. And 546 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: it's a level of offensive operations that the Iranians just 547 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: couldn't stand there and take it. They would have to 548 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: declare a war on somebody, if not the United States, 549 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 1: on neighbors in the region. So you would you would 550 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,720 Speaker 1: trigger a regional war. And then you're on balanced, should 551 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: we trigger a regional war or not? But people misjudge. Look, 552 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: people talk about the Iranian nuclear program like it's some 553 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: kind of conveyor belt and then what we do starts 554 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: or stops them on that conveyor belt. That is completely untrue. 555 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: Or Iran could have a nuclear weapon anytime they wanted 556 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: before the Randal, during the Irandal, After the Randal, Iran 557 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: has always has the flexibility, even with all the sanctions, 558 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: to choose when they've become a nuclear power. What you 559 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: can do is influence that decision. You know, North Korea 560 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: became a nuclear power not you know, we could have 561 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: physically stopping them by destroying North Korea, but we created 562 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: the political conditions that we just said, you know, if 563 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: you do it, it's not going to be the end 564 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: of the world. What the Trump administration was doing, it's 565 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: it was not as physically preventing them from building a bomb. 566 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 1: It was all the external pressures that we put on 567 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: them which set the signal that do you are an 568 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: idiot if you decide to go nuclear now and taking 569 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: all that pressure off, that is going to lead to 570 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: a bomb being built and when they once they build it, 571 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: We're not going to go to war to stop it. 572 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: That's just a fact. Okay, Setting aside the nuclear part 573 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: of it and believing everybody knows, I don't want to 574 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: go to war with Iran or anything like that, but 575 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 1: I am curious what is their level of military capability, 576 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,919 Speaker 1: military sophistication. It's easy for people in America. I don't 577 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: expect people in America to be an expert on every 578 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: Middle Eastern country, but it's easy for everyone in America 579 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: to think they're, you know, riding horses around over there 580 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: and shooting muscles. It's obviously not the case. But where 581 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: are they occurrent or are they really advanced not very advanced? 582 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: Where are they? It's one of these kind of good 583 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: news bad news things. You know. It's like you're in 584 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: a ring with a prize fighter who had an incredibly 585 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: solid first punch, and if you could last for the 586 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: second or third round, the guy would drop from exhaustion. 587 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: You could kick the butt out of them, but you 588 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: have to worry about getting hit with that first punch 589 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: to begin with. So because of what we did the 590 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: last four years, we have put a lot of pressure 591 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: on RON. We have weakened their surroguts, we've deprived them 592 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: with lots of money. It really has They've got internal 593 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: dissension they have to worry about. It really has impacted 594 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: on their military readiness and military capability. On the other hand, 595 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: they have some very sophisticated capabilities in cyber drones and missiles, 596 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: so they can pack a pretty good first punch. So 597 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: in other words, if you had a war with the RON, 598 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: you you could over the long term mitigate their ability 599 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 1: to do offensive things. But on the other hand, in 600 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: the short term, they could do some pretty damaging things, 601 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: as we saw, for example, when they did that attack 602 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: last year on Saudi Arabia with drones and missiles. Very 603 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: sophisticated attack, very destructive, very damaging. Now they couldn't do 604 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: that forever, and we could. We could take out that 605 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: offensive capability with an aggressive campaign, So you could mitigate 606 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: the offensive threat, but on the other hand. Nobody wants 607 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,839 Speaker 1: to invader on and try to take over and fix 608 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: that country. That's just an absolute quagmar, and nobody's going 609 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: to do that. So so the trick is what you 610 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: want to do is to make the Iranians risk averse, 611 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 1: to make them worry that if they escalate what they're doing, 612 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: that they could put their own regime in jeopardy. That 613 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: was exactly the policy of the Trump administration, and I 614 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: think it was actually working incredibly well. Part of the 615 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 1: reason why the Arab Israeli normalization made such rapid progress 616 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:14,800 Speaker 1: was because the Arab reshimes recognized that we had their back. 617 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: You know, we weren't you know, we weren't putting tens 618 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,959 Speaker 1: of thousands of troops in the country, we weren't threatening war. 619 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 1: But we had their back and they saw the advantage 620 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: of normalizing relations with Israel, coming together and collected defense, 621 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: holding off a bulwark against the Iranians, and really, I 622 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: think containing that threat it was exactly the right strategy. 623 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: And we leave it at our at our own peril 624 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: and my great concern. Look, I wish the Biden team, well, 625 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 1: everybody wants them to make America more safe, but to 626 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: go back to the Obama policy of trying to figure 627 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: out how we can accommodate or on is really unleashing 628 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: them on the region, and it's a huge mistake. And 629 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: to your point about North Korea, these problems are inextricably 630 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: linked because if we give a sweetheart deal to Iran, 631 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: who is acting more aggressive, more difficult, violating more rules, 632 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: then the North Koreans are going to say, well, if 633 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: they get a sweetheart deal by being more aggressive, we're 634 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 1: going to be more aggressive and we'll get a sweetheart 635 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 1: deal too. So by rushing back to the Iran deal 636 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,959 Speaker 1: and rushing trying to accommodate the Uranians, the Biden administration 637 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: very easily could actually also trigger a crisis in North Korea, 638 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: and they can be facing two crises in two theaters simultaneously. Colonel, 639 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. I appreciate you. Yeah, sorry, 640 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: I couldn't make you happy there, Brad. Next time, I 641 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,359 Speaker 1: appreciate theF you made us smarter. That's what's important. See 642 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: if thanks, thank you, all right, we're not done yet. 643 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: Hang on. It's easy to lose sight of the fact 644 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: that you're blessed and I'm blessed for being in America. 645 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: But didn't all that bring it home when you talk 646 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 1: about how terrible these places are, the things they do 647 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: to their own people, the things they'll do to us, 648 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: It's good here. Let's keep it that way. Huh. And 649 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: let's take a minute because we don't do that a lot. 650 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 1: We don't do a bunch of sappy things on this show. 651 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: But why don't we take a minute and think about 652 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,919 Speaker 1: the people stuck living there. Imagine what it's like right 653 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: now in North Korea. Those are real people, flesh and blood, 654 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 1: just like you and I. And let's also realize we 655 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: as a man, Americans, No, we don't have some obligation 656 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: to invade and take over all these places, but we 657 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: do have an obligation to ourselves to make sure we 658 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 1: are always strong enough, always ready enough to take them on, 659 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,359 Speaker 1: and always being willing to take them on. So you see, 660 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: that's the biggest problem with what we're facing right now 661 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 1: with the Biden administration is not only is it looking 662 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 1: unwilling to take them on, he looks like he wants 663 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: to help them along. 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