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Speaker 1: For DC fandom, the most exciting fan event of the year,

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Speaker 1: You can't make a podcast without breaking a few spoilers,

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Speaker 1: and if you don't like the spoilers, on the fuck off. Hello,

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Speaker 1: I'm tasting Concepcion. Welcome to episode eight of E Sray Vision,

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Speaker 1: The Cricket Podcast, where we dive deep and to your

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Speaker 1: I'll be breaking down the genre of Battle Royale narratives

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Speaker 1: in honor of the continuing popularity of Squid Game on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: In the Hive Mind, we welcome writer Dave Shilling of

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Speaker 1: and we'll be talking about the highly anticipated season three

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Speaker 1: our favorite fictional billionaires. It's a tough list, but we

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Speaker 1: funny person extraordinaire, the Great Cody Ziggler zig Welcome.

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Speaker 4: As you have already said, it's Succession season, so my

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Speaker 1: Uh so rescheduling moving around of release dates for MCU films,

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Speaker 1: DC fandom. Hey, folks, were back, and we're so excited

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Speaker 1: to step out of the airlock today and into the

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Speaker 1: DC Extended universe. After so Saturday's exciting DC fandom.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: For all those folks wondering when we'd start talking about

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Speaker 1: DC comics and characters like Superman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman and more,

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Speaker 1: guess what today is. The day started with the trailers

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Speaker 1: for the much anticipated The Batman by Matt Reeves and

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Speaker 1: The Flash, as well as The Peacemaker starring wrestling superstar

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Speaker 1: John Cena. I've just watching three and a half hours.

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Speaker 4: Of It's like I'm right back there watching them like

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Speaker 1: Let me just say this, some of the reveals really exciting,

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Speaker 1: really fun, and I think DC I really like that

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Speaker 1: they are making moves now to quite clearly to be

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Speaker 1: like here, here is our brand. Our brand is crazy

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Speaker 1: animated it. Our brand is we're a little bit more adult. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and our competitors like even like we're gonna show you

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Speaker 1: the animated version of Injustice and Metropolis is gonna get

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Speaker 1: fucking nuked. Yeah, so kids, cover your eyes right, Like legitimately,

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Speaker 1: the host of that clip was like, sorry, it's a

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Speaker 1: inusice watch a clip now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you see just like run through the fucking Joker.

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Speaker 1: And he's got like literally his his like arm is

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Speaker 1: like dipped in blood up to the elbow. It's like whoa.

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Speaker 4: I will say, you know, a good benefit of DC is,

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Speaker 4: like I said, that they can take this wild swings

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Speaker 4: that they can just make. Yeah, we're gonna make an

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Speaker 4: R rated Batman movie, or we're gonna make a We're

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Speaker 4: gonna make Harley Quinn and just have that be the

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Speaker 4: most bonkers out there show as opposed to, like, you know,

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Speaker 4: Marvel is very much a we're pg.

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Speaker 1: Weird Disney company folks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gave me you maybe get one

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Speaker 4: one hard s word per movie, but that's really it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's start with clearly the headliner the Batman trailer.

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Speaker 1: Ben Affleck was attached for a while, was supposed to

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Speaker 2: He was like, my script sucks so much that I

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Speaker 2: don't want to make this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah I gotta tap out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta tap out. So they got Secott Matt Reeves.

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Speaker 1: It is a look at the younger version of Batman

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Speaker 1: his sophomore year of doing Batman ship, and it is

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Speaker 1: a brutal and dark look. But I gotta say which

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Speaker 1: I think. Listen, brutal and dark, we get it. It's Batman. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for for the Robert Pattinson Batman. He's bringing

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Speaker 4: I'll admit that my most of my Batman love comes

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Speaker 4: sounds sacrilege, but I've never been the hugest Batman fan.

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Speaker 4: I know it's crazy, Like I love his video games,

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Speaker 4: I like the idea that they're gonna do. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: For the past couple of years.

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Speaker 4: It's like, like it's nice to getting just some youthful energy,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know Batman three, you know he has.

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Speaker 4: His knee blown out, like it's yes, nice nice gigs

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Speaker 1: Cast is really fun. Zoe Kravitz as Catwoman, Uh perfect.

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Speaker 1: I think we all like, like, if you wanted to

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Speaker 1: Paul Dano as Thriddler, we never see his face but

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Speaker 1: that's fine. Colin Farrell. I was blown. Like, Okay, so

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I love the I love the art direction of

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Speaker 1: What do you think, like ren are like in Gotham?

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Speaker 1: To have I got a studio overlooking crime Alley.

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Speaker 4: every now and then the guys in black masks show up.

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Speaker 4: It's one of those things where they just I think

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a Batman trope, which is like, oh, everybody,

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Speaker 4: He's got that Mando armor, like he just shrugs it

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Speaker 4: I'm just like, just just raise that gun. Five inches

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Speaker 1: The fighting look good, the you know the I too

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Speaker 1: next up the flash trailer, which is more of a teaser.

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Speaker 1: As Ezra Miller tells us in the in the lead,

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Speaker 1: I loved Ezra Miller's energy.

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Speaker 4: I know we got you know, Superwoman or power Power?

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Speaker 4: Did she power Girl? Supergirl?

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Speaker 2: Yes, super I believe it's Supergirl.

435
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Speaker 3: Yes, it's what they do.

436
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm excited for all that, and like I

437
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 4: just want to see some fun running like uh, I

438
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 4: love a good area. Anytime there's a comic book where

439
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 4: two versions of a character or in it, I'm I'm sold.

440
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Speaker 4: So like I'm i'm, I'm, I'm I wanted to succeed.

441
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Speaker 4: I got my fingers crossed. I like, I like Barry Allen,

442
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Speaker 4: and I like that that they're doing it, and I

443
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Speaker 4: hope that they make they make it funny and personal,

444
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Speaker 4: like that's the main thing. Like I I hope that

445
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Speaker 4: they inject some joy in this.

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Speaker 2: I think they will.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, uh as we're bring such a different,

448
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Speaker 1: like quirkier energy to the character, which I think is

449
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Speaker 1: in the context of you know, the rest of the

450
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Speaker 1: actors in the j LA. I think that that is

451
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Speaker 1: really cool. It stands out. I will say that what's

452
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Speaker 1: interesting to me with both DC and Marvel going heavy

453
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Speaker 1: into like multiverses, it'll be interesting to see like if

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Speaker 1: there is a quote unquote main continuuity to DC, like

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Speaker 1: you know, like listen, I've read all the famous DC

456
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Speaker 1: arcs right, like you know, Long Halloween, Batman, Year One,

457
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Speaker 1: Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen, et cetera. But it seems to me,

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Speaker 1: again as not a DC expert, a hallmark of the

459
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Speaker 1: kind of like feel and texture of DC over the

460
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Speaker 1: years is that there's so much continuity. There's a huge,

461
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Speaker 1: vibrant multiverse with multiple versions of characters like in stories.

462
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Speaker 1: You know, we mentioned Supergirl, but like you know, Superboy,

463
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Speaker 1: various versions of Superman, et cetera. In the comics, it's

464
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Speaker 1: always like, okay, in you know, all of our crossover events, Crisis,

465
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Speaker 1: Crisis on Infinite Earth's Final Crisis are based around Okay,

466
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Speaker 1: we got to manage this multiverse. What is canon, what

467
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Speaker 1: is not. We're gonna have to kill off some of

468
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Speaker 1: this stuff. And now DC is in a place the

469
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Speaker 1: last couple of years where it's kind of like everything

470
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Speaker 1: is like everything happened, Yeah, yeah, and we can pull

471
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Speaker 1: it in and out as as needed, And it feels

472
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Speaker 1: like DC is kind of in that place now where

473
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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, oh nineteen eighty nine, Michael Keaton Batman, Sure, yeah,

474
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Speaker 1: I can come back, like all of this can come back.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's necessary to have like a quote

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Speaker 1: unquote main canon storyline meantimeline?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know what you're saying, Like I'm I'm I'm

478
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Speaker 4: gonna say I'm I'm coming this from a bias point

479
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Speaker 4: of view, and that like I work in comics and

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Speaker 4: it's and I write, you know, comic TV shows like

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Speaker 4: I I.

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Speaker 1: You're in six one, you're working in six one, six May, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Marvel Continuity most yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I like having just for me as from a

486
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Speaker 4: writer and reading perspective. I like having sometimes to anchor

487
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Speaker 4: myself in, Like I like the idea, like all right,

488
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Speaker 4: what you see that, Like the the Marvel movies we've

489
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Speaker 4: been seeing up in this take place in one specific universe,

490
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Speaker 4: and like we'll see things maybe happening outside of that

491
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Speaker 4: every now and then, but we still have something like

492
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Speaker 4: a home to come back to. And I think that

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Speaker 4: I would enjoy that from DC, Like I do like

494
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Speaker 4: that things are super open, Like I love that Ezra

495
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Speaker 4: Miller's Flash showed up on the Flash TV show, Like

496
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Speaker 4: that's just fucking cool, Like that's a cool bit of

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Speaker 4: connective tissue. I think it would. I think it would

498
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Speaker 4: do them a service to be like, hey, yeah, this

499
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Speaker 4: is like our main universe, just so we have like

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Speaker 4: a base point of touching all points, so like when

501
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Speaker 4: we deviate and go out to other places, we know

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Speaker 4: what we're going back to. Otherwise I feel like it

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Speaker 4: could get out of hand pretty fast when you're like

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Speaker 4: five years from now, ten years from now, when you

505
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Speaker 4: have a bunch of stuff going on, you have no

506
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Speaker 4: idea what the context is. And also I don't know

507
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Speaker 4: if you care, like if oh this, if this pakes

508
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Speaker 4: this like a whatever else world is like oh okay,

509
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Speaker 4: but like what does it really mean because there's no

510
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Speaker 4: stakes emotionally, I think if you have like a status

511
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Speaker 4: quo to measure it against.

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Speaker 1: So The Flash is coming out November fourth, twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: directed by Andy Muschietti, written by Christina Hodson, who else

514
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Speaker 1: wrote Birds of Prey. Asra Miller is in it, that

515
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Speaker 1: Affleck is it in? Michael Keaton, Sasha Khali, Ron Livingston,

516
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Speaker 1: and Moore. Be interesting to see that up next. The

517
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Speaker 1: trailer for the Super Weird, Super Funny and super Like

518
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Speaker 1: I don't know who pitched this. It must have been

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Speaker 1: James Gunn Yeah, because that's why they said yes. But

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Speaker 1: I will watch this because it looks really funny. Eight

521
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Speaker 1: episode series spinoff from The Suicide Squad called Peacemaker, starring

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Speaker 1: John Cena, wrestling's superstar John Cena, who, by the way,

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Speaker 1: isn't too much shit. I don't know how he has.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how.

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Speaker 1: Much how he does all this stuff, Like he's in

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff.

527
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Speaker 4: There really is like there the two inside you. There

528
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Speaker 4: are two wolves and it's the Rock and John Cena.

529
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Speaker 4: Like they're really they're really out there doing it. You know,

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Speaker 4: like if like anytime anyone, any either one of them

531
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Speaker 4: can't take a role, they're like, you know, we'll call him,

532
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Speaker 4: we'll call him my alt no and they'll come through.

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Speaker 1: You know. Recent times, he is in obviously the Suicide

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Speaker 1: Squad movie. He is in Wipeout, which he hosts with

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Speaker 1: Nicole Byer. Now, to be fair, that seems like a

536
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Speaker 1: gig where they knock it out in a weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they film.

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Speaker 1: Everything and then they bring the edited shows to Nicole

539
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Speaker 1: and John Cena and then they are like in some

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Speaker 1: green screen studio the written flowers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like they read some green screen in Burbank for

542
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Speaker 4: for two days and knock it out.

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Speaker 3: Guys checks in the mail.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here we are at John Cena's IMDb. So The

545
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Speaker 1: Independence is in pre production. The Jansen directive by Paul

546
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Speaker 1: Jansen is in pre production. Argyle currently filming, Snafu currently filming.

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Speaker 1: Peacemaker is in post production. Uh. Then there are are

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Speaker 1: his various appearances on the WWE events.

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Speaker 3: Let's say, yeah, he said this wrestling stuff.

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Speaker 1: Including Summer Slam, SmackDown, Money in the Bank, all that

551
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: shit is still happening. Of course, there's Suicide Squad. He

552
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Speaker 1: was in F nine in twenty twenty one, the Wipeout

553
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Speaker 1: TV series. We mentioned Doolittle the voice of Yoshi again.

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00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: That's you knock that out in a Day, voice of

555
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: Baron Drason in the Rise of Teenage Man Ninja Turtles again,

556
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: by the way, that's been going for a year. You

557
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Speaker 1: knock that out in a day podcast series, The sixty

558
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: Fourth Man, in which he plays the part of Billy Logan,

559
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Speaker 1: Playing with This is All's up to twenty nineteen, Playing

560
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: with Fire, he plays Jake, Fighting with My Family, plays himself,

561
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Speaker 1: Agent Burns in The bulla B movie, and then Dallas

562
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Speaker 1: and Robo, in which he is the voice of Roboh

563
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Speaker 1: like the guy's busy, And I think I think it's

564
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: one of those things where you like, if you look

565
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: like that, you fill a very specific role.

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Speaker 4: Like, you know, it's hard to find a personal, funny

567
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 4: built dude that can like actually like act in a

568
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Speaker 4: mote and stuff, and like him and the Rock have

569
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Speaker 4: corn to that market. Like john Sen, he's really I

570
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 4: mean even I'd say Batista too, Like those three are

571
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Speaker 4: like the like those guys can go from like dign

572
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 4: Dave Batista being blade Runner like an art house film,

573
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Speaker 4: to going to play drags, to go playing like a

574
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Speaker 4: big military dude and whatever. I just saw the Netflix

575
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Speaker 4: movie he was in and like he can. He has range,

576
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Speaker 4: which is not something a lot of I think ex

577
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Speaker 4: per wrestlers have.

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Speaker 1: And he's the and he's the bad guy in the

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Speaker 1: new season of.

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Speaker 3: C on Action. Oh yeah plus yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I missed my chance to get like super ripped. I

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Speaker 1: guess of course is there Okay? So January thirteen, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two, for Peacemaker, created and written and directed by

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Speaker 1: James Gunn on his full Matt Winer Energy Right Now.

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Speaker 1: Gunn said he started the series quote mostly for fun,

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Speaker 1: but that he was approached by DC Films about a

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Speaker 1: possible spin off. And this goes in line with HBO

588
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Speaker 1: Max's other spinoff DC properties, including two for Batman, Gotham

589
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Speaker 1: PD one plus Penguin in early development. So this looked

590
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Speaker 1: really again, looked funny. This looked really funny. So excited

591
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Speaker 1: to see this. Here's a thing that DC's doing really

592
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Speaker 1: well right now, Deadpool esque anti heroes who are assholes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you are kind of rooting for them despite the fact,

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Speaker 1: Like I love that We're going to check in with

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Speaker 1: John Cena's Peacemaker and find out like at least it

596
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Speaker 1: seemed like this from the clips, like explore him as

597
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Speaker 1: an investigation on kind of like toxic white male masculinity

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Speaker 1: in the DC universe, where the people around him, you know,

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Speaker 1: John Economos, Leotto out of bio, this kind of like

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00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: diverse group that he's running with are constantly going to

601
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Speaker 1: be like reigning in Peacemaker, who is like always in

602
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: danger of flying off the rails. That kind of energy

603
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Speaker 1: is very interesting to me and makes it makes the

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Speaker 1: comedy fields very fertile.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm very excited because I read an interview where

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Speaker 4: James Gunn talked about like why he decided to do

607
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Speaker 4: Peacemaker but just being a fun character. He was like

608
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Speaker 4: he's the only one in the suicide squad that didn't change,

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Speaker 4: Like he's the only one that didn't have an ARC,

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00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 4: and like it's it's fun being able to see that

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00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 4: play out for eight episodes around a cast that is

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Speaker 4: mostly comedians, Like, yes, I think they they're they're they're

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Speaker 4: nailing it. Like I my one pet peeve that I've

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Speaker 4: have about most DC movies outside of Handfuls, that they're

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Speaker 4: not fun to watch, Like they're not like there's no levied,

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Speaker 4: Like doesn't feel like a comic book sometimes, like and

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Speaker 4: like those are nice moments, Like I like that they're

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Speaker 4: leaning into this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how soon until you are cast in like

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Speaker 1: in a some kind of comics property as on camera talent?

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm guys microphone number three. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: American KINDI is stomping through San Diego. You're not gonna

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Speaker 4: live it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, video games now, this is man.

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00:31:59,200 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: Now we're talking.

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Speaker 1: Now, we are talking, folks. Suicide Squad Kills the Justice

627
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Speaker 1: League announced from rock Steady, which is super exciting because

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Speaker 1: they are the studio that produced the Arkham trilogy, which

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Speaker 1: is among the most addictive video games I have ever played.

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Speaker 3: I get those streets safe. I keep those streets safe.

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Speaker 1: So safe you get to play as Harley Quinn, dead Shot,

632
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: Captain Boomering, and King Shark. Now, everything we saw was cinematics.

633
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Speaker 1: We didn't see any actual action, but I'm guessing because

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Speaker 1: it is rock steady with that lineage of Arkham games,

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Speaker 1: the fighting mechanics are going to be similar. And if

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Speaker 1: that is the case, I'll just tell you right now,

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Speaker 1: I think the Arkham games for me revolutionized what fighting

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Speaker 1: mechanics could be. It's so simple with a counter mechanic,

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Speaker 1: a strong attack mechanic, a dodge, and that's it. And

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Speaker 1: so you're basically playing a kind of like extended beat match, yeah,

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Speaker 1: kind of thing for all of your fighting, and it's

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Speaker 1: it is so addictive, like I would just be like,

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Speaker 1: I want to fight twelve guys right now. Enoughing felt

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Speaker 1: more satisfying than taking on twelve guys, including bosses, with

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Speaker 1: this mechanic. And if that is the thing they are

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Speaker 1: basing Suicide Squad killed the Justice League on I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: play this game a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I imagine doing like the Arkham City Batman fighting flow,

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Speaker 4: but with Harley Quinn and her bat It's going to

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Speaker 4: be imagined like like just go I remember, I remember,

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Speaker 4: I mean I want to get into it two deep.

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Speaker 4: I remember just playing that game and doing like the

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Speaker 4: Horde mode or whatever, and just like getting like a

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Speaker 4: hundred point combos like give me if I oh man, yeah,

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Speaker 4: give me that bat.

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Speaker 3: I'm hurting some folks. I'm hurting some folks feelings out here.

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Speaker 1: When I would get into the flow and just be

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Speaker 1: like I'm fifty moves in, yeah you are, no one

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Speaker 1: can touch me right now. It is like the closest

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Speaker 1: I've ever come to, like a true Zen Buddhism feel. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of like Nirvana. Yeah, where the you know, I am

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Speaker 1: so present in the moment that it's like a higher

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Speaker 1: level of consciousness. That is why I play that game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: those games, and that is why they're so addictive. I

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Speaker 1: will say. So, I have my game pass. I have

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Speaker 1: like all the Arkham games, and there needs to be

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Speaker 1: a I'm an adult and I played these games when

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Speaker 1: they came out setting where I can just like unlock

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Speaker 1: all the moves and the and especially the fighting arenas,

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Speaker 1: because like listen, I'm not gonna go through the entire

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Speaker 1: Arkham game again, but I do want to go into

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Speaker 1: like the battle arena and fight like the fifty clowns

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Speaker 1: with sledgehammers. Yeah, and I want all my moves, I

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Speaker 1: want all my batter ranks for that, so please just

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Speaker 1: unlock that for me if I get the.

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Speaker 4: Chest with my little grappling hook and pume to worth

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Speaker 4: me Flipbumbers back and hit him with the piece of

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Speaker 4: two by four.

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Speaker 1: Next, Gossam Knights from w Games Montreal, who made Arkham

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Speaker 1: Origins and some of the DLC for Arkhamknights. So again,

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Speaker 1: great that we have that Arkham Knight's lineage get to

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Speaker 1: play as Nightwing for the first time since Arkham Asylum.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait. Backgirl and Red Hood and they are

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Speaker 1: squaring off against the super criminal compendium known as the

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Speaker 1: Court of Owls again if it is the Arkham Fighting

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Speaker 1: Flow mechanic. Great, good night Wing with the little screama

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Speaker 1: sticks one of my favorite unlockable characters to play in

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Speaker 1: the Arkham games. So yeah, I can't wait.

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Speaker 4: I'm exciting. Yeah, I'm so stoked for this game. And

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Speaker 4: they're both coming from people that made some of my

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Speaker 4: favorite series of games. Like I will say DC has

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Speaker 4: a choke hold on like the Great Game Adaptation, the

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Speaker 4: Great Animation Adaptation. So I'm gonna be losing a lot

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Speaker 4: of hours for these games when.

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Speaker 1: They drop, all right, Zig Well, as you know, there

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Speaker 1: is so much incredible content that came out of the

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Speaker 1: DC fandom that we thought the only way that we

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Speaker 1: can possibly cover it all is if we tap into

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Speaker 1: the speed force, like Barry Allen and Race true these titles.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready?

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Speaker 3: Zig I am ready?

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Speaker 1: Chris, come in, put some time on the clock and

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Speaker 1: throw these titles at us and we will react to them.

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Speaker 1: It's so exciting, Chris, can't wait to hear your voice

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Speaker 1: talking about all these things that came out of the

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Speaker 1: DC fandom.

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Speaker 2: All right, First up, Blue Beetle Go.

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Speaker 1: The costume look great, Latina representation. Let's go very excited

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Speaker 1: for the costume young heroes.

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Speaker 4: I like that could lead to young justice Like yes,

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Speaker 4: I'm all, I'm all for legacy characters.

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Speaker 3: I'm one percent in.

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Speaker 2: Nice all right. Next up, we got Harley Quinn in

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Speaker 2: season three.

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Speaker 4: Best animated show in the game. I also no bullshit,

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, sixteen ins in the movie. I could watch

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Speaker 4: that show and definitely it's fun, it's weird, it's ours,

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Speaker 4: it's a hard r and.

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Speaker 3: Everyone is funny as fucking the showies give it to

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Speaker 3: me an.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable voice cast. You will laugh your ass off if

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Speaker 1: you're not watching it.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: So legitimately hilarious Commissioner Gordon as a cracked out, barely

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Speaker 1: able to do his job police commissioner drinking twelve cups

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Speaker 1: of coffee a day plus a five hour energy like,

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Speaker 1: give it to me all day. It is so funny.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait boom?

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Speaker 2: All right, Neil Game and sand Man.

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Speaker 3: I love the depiction of death in this series.

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Speaker 4: I love that that the homie k Kirby Halbaptiste is death,

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Speaker 4: and it's like, I'll watch it for that.

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Speaker 3: I am. I am.

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Speaker 4: I'm curious to see what they do with this version

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Speaker 4: of the Sandman because I didn't get that far of

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Speaker 4: the comics. But it is a weird, weird swing for

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Speaker 4: for DC, so like I'm here for it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah again. This is one of the kind of one

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Speaker 1: of DC's quote unquote like premium titles, premium storylines. It

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Speaker 1: is one of those comics that comic fans would say

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Speaker 1: to their non friends, Hey, I think you'd actually like

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Speaker 1: I think you'd like Sandman. So it makes total sense

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Speaker 1: that that this would be hitting and I'm excited for it.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: DC's League of super Pets.

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Speaker 4: Uh, you know, I love I love seeing a black

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Speaker 4: man get a paycheck. Shout out to the rock. Uh,

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Speaker 4: that's all I got for it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Uh, Kevin Hart shooting in a sandbox,

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Speaker 1: I you know, the rock, Uh, lifting his leg on

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Speaker 1: a lamppost. I'm just I think that Marvel is literally

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Speaker 1: quaking in their boots, that this is happening before Marvel's

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Speaker 1: pet Avengers. Make it as weird as you can possibly

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Speaker 1: make it, and I will watch it all right.

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Speaker 5: And then last up, Grant Gustin's gold boots on the Flash.

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Speaker 1: I mean, finally, listen. Grant has been asking for it.

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Speaker 1: He's been, as we saw the DC van, he's been

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Speaker 1: He's been like, can I get the gold boots? And

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Speaker 1: they were like, no, it's season one, it's too early

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Speaker 1: for the gold. Season two, Greg Gustin pre production, Hey

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Speaker 1: can I get the gold boots?

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Speaker 5: This?

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Speaker 1: No, can't do it. It's only I haven't earned it yet.

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Speaker 1: Season three, Okay, can I get the girl bootsy?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: But now they're coming and we've got the gold boots

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Speaker 1: now an extra fast Uh man, this was so fun.

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Speaker 1: Zigg up. Next, let's crack open the Omnibus. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another chapter in the Omnibus where lower analysis and understanding

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Speaker 1: come together this week, let's further explore the success of

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Speaker 1: Netflix's Squid Game and how it is of a piece

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Speaker 1: with recent trends in narrative storytelling. Netflix Squid Game has

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Speaker 1: managed to hack its way through the jungle of streaming

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Speaker 1: content into the global conversation of the last two weeks. So,

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Speaker 1: in light of our recent conversations about the influence of

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Speaker 1: American papa culture and Asian martial arts cinema from our

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Speaker 1: shehng Chi episode the globalization of anime embedded by technology

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Speaker 1: largely pioneered in Japan, which made content portable during our

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Speaker 1: Star Wars Visions conversation, we think it's worth exploring the

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Speaker 1: surprising trans global appeal of the hit South Korean show

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Speaker 1: created by writer director Huang Dong hyuk. Squid Game is

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Speaker 1: first and foremost a gripping and particularly blood drench critique

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Speaker 1: of the capitalist system. It is notable too, that this

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Speaker 1: is something squid Game shares with other products of South

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Speaker 1: Korean entertainment, including twenty nineteen's Parasite and twenty thirteen snow Piercer,

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Speaker 1: both by director Bang Jun Ho and both crossover international hits. Parasite,

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Speaker 1: of course, won a load of awards, including the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty Academy Award for Best Picture, and Snow Piercer continues

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Speaker 1: to have legs and has been adapted into a television

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Speaker 1: show of the same name. We should add also Bongs

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen Animal Rights meets Capitalism picture Okja to this

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Speaker 1: conversation as well, quote, I wanted to write a story

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Speaker 1: that was an allegory or fable about modern capitalist society,

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Speaker 1: something that depicts an extreme competition and somewhat like the

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Speaker 1: extreme competition of life. But I wanted to use the

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Speaker 1: kind of characters we've all met in real life. Long

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Speaker 1: told Variety as a survival game. He continues, it is

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Speaker 1: entertainment and human drama. The games portrayed are extremely simple

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Speaker 1: and easy to understand. That allows viewers to focus on

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Speaker 1: the characters rather than being distracted by trying to interpret

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Speaker 1: the rules. In this way, squid game is part of

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Speaker 1: a trend of narratives which centers self interest and has

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Speaker 1: since the late nineteen nineties become increasingly present in popular

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Speaker 1: culture across all genres and all mediums TV, books, video games, movies, etc.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Jane Elliott of King's College in London calls this

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Speaker 1: style the microeconomic mode. She says in her book the

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Speaker 1: microeconomic Mode, Political Subjectivity and Contemporary Popular Aesthetics. Quote In

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Speaker 1: this mode, abstraction results from a focus on delimited or

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Speaker 1: capsule worlds in which option and decision, action and effect

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Speaker 1: have been extracted from everyday contexts and thus made unusually legible.

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Speaker 1: For example, the life raft, the desert island, the medical experiment,

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Speaker 1: the prison cell. So all that is a way of

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Speaker 1: describing the hallmarks of this style of storytelling, and those

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Speaker 1: include an isolated arena or a battle space, including as

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Speaker 1: she mentioned, life rafts, desert islands, medical experiments, anything that

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Speaker 1: is separated from the real world and acts as a

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Speaker 1: miniature version of that world. In that battle space or arena,

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Speaker 1: our characters will face impossible choices. They will often be

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Speaker 1: forced to carry out acts of extreme violence or torture

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Speaker 1: or mutilation, often self mutilation, and the themes explored include power,

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Speaker 1: the organization of power, and quite notably, spaces of humiliation

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Speaker 1: and disgust. So examples of this include Cormack McCarthy's post

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Speaker 1: apocalyptic novel Road, the reality shows Survivor and Big Brother,

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Speaker 1: the horror franchise Saw the Ya book and film franchise

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Speaker 1: the Hunger games, the Smashit video games, Fortnite, Call of Duty, Warzone,

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Speaker 1: and Apex Legends, and the two thousand Japanese film Battle Royale,

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Speaker 1: based on the book and manga of the same name.

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Speaker 1: In his book nineteen eighty nine, cultural critic Joshua Clover writes, quote,

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Speaker 1: every genre enters the popular imagination as a novelty song

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Speaker 1: that is later seen to be a manifesto. For me,

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Speaker 1: that's Battle Royale. Battle Royale is the novelty song that

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Speaker 1: then became a manifesto that then became a genre. And

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Speaker 1: it's that movie that I most associate with the microeconomic style.

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Speaker 1: So therefore, I'm going to call these stories, these shows,

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Speaker 1: these games, battle royales because these narratives deal with the

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Speaker 1: question of self interest, often in the most existential sense,

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Speaker 1: right the person has an interest in surviving. An extreme

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Speaker 1: emotional response, an extreme emotional register is what we associate

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Speaker 1: with these kind of stories. Characters within these stories, as

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Speaker 1: we saw on Squad Game, are presented with the most

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Speaker 1: difficult possible choices.

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Speaker 2: What would you do to survive? What would you give up?

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Speaker 1: Which friend or loved one if you had to choose,

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Speaker 1: would you allow to perish? So that another one of

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Speaker 1: your loved ones who you prefer more can continue to survive.

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Speaker 1: Characters are even often asked like which piece of themselves

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Speaker 1: would they give up in order for them to continue surviving.

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Speaker 1: Mutilation Self mutilation, as we mentioned, is often part of

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Speaker 1: these stories, and they are found in stories like Saw,

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Speaker 1: where Carry Always' character is asked to cut off his

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Speaker 1: own foot in order to move forward. In the game

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Speaker 1: The Walking Dead features characters who have their limbs hacked off.

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Speaker 1: A Song of Ice and Fire, Game of Thrones, even Castaway,

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Speaker 1: where Tom Hanks's character is forced to pull out his

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Speaker 1: own tooth are a few examples of this reality. Television

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Speaker 1: shows in the Battle Royale mode, of course, can't kill

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Speaker 1: or mutilate their contestants, but these programs explicitly link elimination

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Speaker 1: with death nonetheless, and many contestants face real life threats

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Speaker 1: to their health. In the game, fans of Survivor will

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Speaker 1: remember numerous times that contestants have been medically evacuated from

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Speaker 1: the island. In this game, fire represents your life when

862
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Speaker 1: your fire's gone, so you, says host Jeff Probes. At

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Speaker 1: every tribal council for the past twenty years, these programs

864
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Speaker 1: often explore themes of extreme endurance. You can't help but

865
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Speaker 1: think of torture elements when some of these competitions take place,

866
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Speaker 1: and they of course also include events that are meant

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Speaker 1: to evoke feelings of disgust and feelings of humiliation. Who

868
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 1: could forget Joe Rogan and his incarnation as the host

869
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: of Fear Factor feeding his contestants a smoothie of blended

870
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: rats that really happened, that happened on a television show.

871
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: Gross food challenges are a staple of the Battle Royal

872
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Speaker 1: reality show, from the problematic culturally themed challenges of past

873
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: Survivor seasons to Big Brothers various slop competitions, which is

874
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: like a flavorless gruel that is, I guess kind of

875
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: similar to oatpial, so basically everything that contestancy on the

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00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: Wilderness Survival show alone. Strategy is an important part of

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00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: Battle Royale narratives. Though only one person can survive in

878
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: these games, moving forward is still impossible without allies and

879
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: without friends and squid game g Hun's heroism comes from

880
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: his generosity and protectiveness toward the elderly oil Nam. Within

881
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: the dehumanizing framework of the game, there is no logical

882
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: reason for ji Hun to team up with oil Nam,

883
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: but he responds to Oilnam's humanity and potentially at the

884
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Speaker 1: cost of his own life.

885
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: He rejects the values imposed by.

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00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: The game and extends his hand to oil Nam and

887
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: adds him to his team. This rejection is, by extension,

888
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: a rejection of the capitalist society in which this game

889
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: takes place, and that rejection culminates with Jihun choosing to

890
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Speaker 1: save his rival chose life while winning the money. Now,

891
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: I would argue that squid game the necessities of telling

892
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 1: dramatic story aside, pulls a bit of a fast one here.

893
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: Being a good person, I think one could argue, is

894
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: absolutely a quote game move if I'm quoting Survivor here,

895
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: which the show acknowledges when Siong Jihun's decision to accept

896
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: Oh leads to their team winning the Tug of War event.

897
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: But within the context of the show, it's made to

898
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Speaker 1: seem purely altruistic because that's what we as an audience

899
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Speaker 1: respond to in our popular storytelling. We want people who

900
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Speaker 1: are generous, We want characters who are generous, and we

901
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: want to feel like that generosity comes from a place

902
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: of not wanting anything back, not thinking about keeping score. Furthermore,

903
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: in real life, I think it's possible to incentivize generosity

904
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: in the same way that like jealousy and greed are incentivized.

905
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: Think about how many brands now use social justice and

906
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: diversity as buzzwords to sell a product, to gamify, in

907
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: other words, the emotion of kindness, love, acceptance, and empathy. Now,

908
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: some would say it's really cynical, you're just like selling products.

909
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 2: I agree.

910
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: It'd be great if generosity and kindness and diversity and

911
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 1: acceptance are more than just buzzwords and go more than

912
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: skin deep and actually turn into kind of like actual change.

913
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: That said, in a capitalist society in which value is

914
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: attached to things purely from a monetary and financial framework,

915
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: adding a monetary and financial value to things like sustainability, acceptance,

916
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: and empathy mean that those things actually have value in

917
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: the framework, and therefore are things that have value.

918
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: I would hope that they have.

919
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: More value than they currently have, but the fact that

920
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: we talk about them in an economic framework is positive

921
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: considering the extremely fucked up world that we live in.

922
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: So okay, if squid game is part of a larger trend,

923
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: which I would argue, does that mean does it matter

924
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: that these kind of stories are popular?

925
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 3: Now?

926
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Speaker 1: I would say yes. I think listen, I'm biased, right,

927
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: I mean I host a podcast that talks about popular

928
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: things in pop culture. But I think popular things matter

929
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: in an era of disagreement. Popular things represent things that

930
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: we actually agree about, their reflection of generally held beliefs

931
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: and fears. The Battle Royale is about people under the

932
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: power of a highly organized entity making impossible choices according

933
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: to that entity's rules. Now the genre invites us to

934
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 1: think about power structures. Squid Game, in particular, ask us

935
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: to think about the global capitalist system, which it compares

936
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: to a murderous, dehumanizing theme park, a kind of game show.

937
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: That squid Game is a hit, I would argue, is

938
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: a reflection of broadly held anxiety about the way the

939
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: capitalist system is working. And I think, listen year two

940
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: of a pandemic in which half the country is on

941
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: fire and climate change amplified floods are inundating the land.

942
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: I think a reasonable emotion to be experiencing is anxiety.

943
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: The interactivity of Battle Royale video games sets them apart

944
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: a little bit and makes them more of a training

945
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,479
Speaker 1: manual than a political manifesto. Both Call of Duty Wars

946
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: and Fortnite task players with competing for scarce resources inside

947
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: a steadily shrinking circle of livable space until only one

948
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: player or team of player remains. That team of players

949
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: has to cooperate by communicating with each other, by sharing Ammo,

950
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 1: by sharing health packs, etc. That two of the most

951
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: popular games in the world at this moment are metaphors

952
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: for climate change, I think is notable and is the

953
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: way we process that anxiety. It makes us feel like, Okay, well,

954
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: we're not actually doing anything about climate change, but here

955
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: I am, in some former fashion, in an entertaining way,

956
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: preparing for it. A feature of the Battle Royale that

957
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: I find disconcerting is a lack of sufficiently revolutionary solution

958
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 1: to the problem of the existence of the game itself.

959
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: For instance, in the final competition of squid Game, Jihun

960
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: cleverly exploits a loophole and the rules to save his

961
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: rival sang Wu's life and win the game and win

962
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: the money. His real award, though, of course, isn't the riches.

963
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 1: It's that he is allowed to understand the true nature

964
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: of the game, its origins and the shocking truth of

965
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: what is behind it, and at the end of the show,

966
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: Ji Hun's satisfaction a finally being able to provide for

967
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: his family and get out of debt is poisoned by

968
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: the realization that the game continues. The slaughter continues, and

969
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: the masked moneymen who fund that murderous game of poor

970
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,280
Speaker 1: people remain free. At the end of the Hunger Games

971
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: As votes for another reaping, and there are some extenuating

972
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 1: circumstances in that, but she votes for it. Nonetheless, Jigsaw

973
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: and Saw continues to murder over two sequels until he dies,

974
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: and his philosophy is so magnetic that another person jumps

975
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: into his shoes and continues the murder. At the end

976
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: of Battle Royale, Shuya and Nurko are free of the island,

977
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: but instead of trying to rally an opposition to this

978
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: entertainment based on the murder of teenagers, they would rather flee.

979
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 1: They would rather run away from a society that uses

980
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: their lives as entertainment. It's notable to me. Even in

981
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: our most popular and creative critiques of power structures, we

982
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: can't seem to imagine a way to fix them up. Next,

983
00:53:49,280 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: the Highlind Welcome to the High Mind, where we dive

984
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: deeper into specific topics with the help of a guest

985
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: panelist or interviewee. Joining today, X ray Vision welcomes writer

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Speaker 1: and co host of Polygon's Galaxy Brains podcast. One of

987
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: the nicest guys, most talented guys, the most well dressed individuals.

988
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 1: He makes every group chat better. He's Dave Shilling. Dave,

989
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: how are you welcome?

990
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 5: I'm good. I'm so good. Thanks for having me. This

991
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 5: is a real pleasure, So listen. Succession is back. I

992
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 5: love it. It's my favorite show on TV right now.

993
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 5: What a banger. The episode was called Secession and quick recap.

994
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 1: It picks up right on the heels of Kendall's bombshell

995
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,479
Speaker 1: announcement at the end of season two, which saw him

996
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: throwing Logan Roy his dad finally under the bus for

997
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: the various criminal goings on at the company, in particular

998
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: the horrific events that took place at the Cruise Division,

999
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: and we see Kendall basically on the run, moving from

1000
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: place to place, eventually ending up at his ex wife Ravas,

1001
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: where he puts together a war room to begin his

1002
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: campaign against his dad.

1003
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 2: Folks, what do we think David, Oh my god.

1004
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 5: I mean, first, I want to start by giving my

1005
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 5: condolences to Rava. This is a tough episode for Kendall's

1006
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 5: ex wife. She is kind, just a really kind, giving,

1007
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 5: empathetic person, clearly, and she lets Kendall into her home

1008
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 5: at the worst time in his life. I mean, other

1009
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 5: than like when he hits rock bottom or something, or

1010
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 5: when he killed that guy.

1011
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: Other than those who says I never killed anyone.

1012
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that moment because he didn't.

1013
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 5: Jeremy Strong is so good at the facade, Like you know,

1014
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 5: he's saying this because he wants to be caught, Like

1015
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 5: any sort of sociopath, they want to be caught. And

1016
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 5: he says these things, and he's playing it as a

1017
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 5: joke and he never once gives you that like. But

1018
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 5: also this is a dramatic scene too. It's just he

1019
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 5: plays it as a joke and we move on. But

1020
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 5: but anyway, Raba brings Kendall in and he just abuses

1021
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 5: her from start to finish, to the point where he

1022
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 5: brings his new girlfriend in and she opens the most

1023
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 5: precious bottle of wine in her entire apartment and I

1024
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 5: started screaming at the TV that's the worst thing you

1025
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,959
Speaker 5: can do is open somebody's wine without asking. Never ever

1026
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 5: do that. This is the biggest social faux pas in

1027
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 5: the entire world. And this is a show about social

1028
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 5: faux pause and how not to make them and the

1029
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 5: consequences of making them.

1030
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 2: And this is just it was painful.

1031
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 5: I don't know how you guys felt about the wine situation,

1032
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 5: but that bummed me out.

1033
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: Zig h.

1034
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 4: You know, I am newly into the wine game, so

1035
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 4: I have no I have no stakes in it, but

1036
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 4: I understand the idea of opening the without asking, or

1037
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 4: taking the last piece of meat before.

1038
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 3: Like my caveman brain can relate to that.

1039
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 4: I I as as Dave was saying, like he's so

1040
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 4: good at playing week as strong. Yeah, like, yeah, he

1041
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 4: very much as a as a child, and like seeing

1042
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 4: the insecurity and like how it just sucks him down

1043
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 4: and it sucks everyone around him down to the same. Well,

1044
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 4: it's hard to watch in a in a good way,

1045
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 4: like when he's having the exchange with the two PR.

1046
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: Crisis ladies and like including the Red Squares Dashazola.

1047
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it was hard to watch, but this is

1048
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 4: in a good way, Like this is the one show

1049
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 4: that can really capture that very specific type of I guess,

1050
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 4: for lack of a better word, cringe, Like you really

1051
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 4: do dislike every single person in this in this series,

1052
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 4: but you have to keep coming back.

1053
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't help but go back to Peep Show,

1054
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 5: which is just that I'm Strong's classic British sitcom, which

1055
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 5: was all cringe all the time, character who can't get

1056
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 5: out of their own way, and that really carries through

1057
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 5: to Succession. And now that we're in season three, you know,

1058
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 5: really starting to see that kind of multiplied because now

1059
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 5: we know the characters so well, and the longer you

1060
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 5: watched Peep Show, the more you could start to anticipate

1061
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 5: this is how Mark is going to screw up, this

1062
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 5: is how Jazz is going to screw up. And now

1063
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 5: I feel like we can do that with Kendall or

1064
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 5: with Shiv. Like the moment that you brought up, Cody

1065
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 5: about Kendall bringing in the pr people, I knew immediately like, oh,

1066
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 5: he's going to try to strong arm them, and he's

1067
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 5: got all these crazy ideas because we've seen him do

1068
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 5: it a million times, and that makes it funnier. I

1069
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 5: think this is the funniest episode since maybe Prague.

1070
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Speaker 1: Yeah there is. Ken is so thirsty for acceptance from

1071
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: people that he thinks are quote unquote cool. So you

1072
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: know when he has the pr people there and he's

1073
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Speaker 1: just like, you know, just like dumb level, I want

1074
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: my Twitter to be off the hook and talks with

1075
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: some BoJack guys, you know, like and I love when uh,

1076
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: one of the one of the ladies says, so okay,

1077
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: cool tweets. It's like, yeah, that's like a real street

1078
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: like Chino way of saying. I guess like he's so

1079
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: like mister mister Lingo, and I for me, the the

1080
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: decision to make him a Twitter person, it's so honed, yeah,

1081
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: as a character trait, because like he's not cool and

1082
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: hip enough for TikTok, certainly not young enough, and he's

1083
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: not cool enough really for Instagram, Like he doesn't have

1084
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: he's all artifice, but he's not comfortable enough to be

1085
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: the kind of like Instagram person. So it's all like

1086
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: Twitter my ideas. Also, generationally, it makes sense that he'd

1087
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: be like a big time Twitter guy, would be very

1088
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: interested in his Twitter being off the hook, and it

1089
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: kind of like Elon muskwe he just needs that acceptance

1090
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: from everybody the way he walks into ROV's apartment like

1091
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: he just like held the Alamo against like the invading hordes,

1092
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: and now he is there like like looking for some

1093
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: kind of like victory parade. And he literally says to her,

1094
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,959
Speaker 1: so is it cool of you know we're just here

1095
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: for like four or five hours? I wouldn't ask if

1096
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: I had literally any other option?

1097
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, a hotel? Yeah?

1098
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,439
Speaker 5: What is He's doing this? Because she is in many

1099
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 5: ways his security blankets. Yeah, he needs that, And I

1100
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 5: can relate to this as a divorced man. If I'm

1101
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 5: going through something, the first person I'll call is my

1102
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 5: ex wife. And there is this moment in the initial

1103
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 5: scene when he's explaining the situation to Rava where he

1104
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 5: says he asked her point blank, do you think I

1105
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 5: can win? And she says I don't know, and then

1106
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 5: he's like, no, okay leaves because he needs her approval,

1107
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 5: just like I need the approval of my ex wife.

1108
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 5: Sometimes not all the time, but when there's something going on,

1109
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 5: you know, maybe something great happens in my career, something

1110
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 5: bad happens, I'll be like, do you think I did

1111
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 5: a good job?

1112
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: Am I good?

1113
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 5: Am I? Okay, am I a sweet boy, and she'll

1114
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 5: be like no. I was like, oh, that's why I'm divorced. Okay, goodbye,

1115
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 5: so good And you're right. He is a Twitter guy

1116
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 5: because Instagram requires vulnerability. You have to sometimes post the

1117
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 5: no makeup selfie, so to speak. I've heard this said

1118
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 5: many times by people who are better at social media

1119
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 5: than me. But you have to spend some time showing

1120
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 5: your scars. And if you are on Twitter, you can

1121
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 5: just always be the funniest person in the room. You

1122
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 5: can always be the toughest, the meanest. You never have

1123
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 5: to show any vulnerability. And that's why Trump succeeded so

1124
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 5: well there and not on Instagram or anywhere else, is

1125
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 5: because he could just say that guy's a dumbass and

1126
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 5: then log off.

1127
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 2: So it's perfect for Kendall.

1128
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and also that makes me think that it also

1129
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 4: is like that his biggest weakness is that he cannot

1130
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 4: be vulnerable.

1131
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 3: He cannot admit.

1132
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 4: He can't admit like when he's wrong, and he cannot

1133
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 4: admit that he's been out played honestly for the past

1134
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 4: twenty one episodes, like yeah, he's a dumb guy. He's

1135
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 4: a dumb rich kid that got the position he is

1136
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 4: because of his dad, and like that's the thesis for

1137
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 4: the show, and like that's ultimately like what his conflict

1138
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 4: is having and come to realization that he's not as

1139
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 4: good as he thinks he is.

1140
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 5: There is there are some good instincts that he has,

1141
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 5: and I think that he shows his good instincts in

1142
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 5: that final episode of season two when he says, I'm

1143
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 5: never going to convince my father to love me. I'm

1144
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,479
Speaker 5: gonna have to destroy him. And that is exactly what

1145
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 5: Logan ultimately wants from his children. He does not want

1146
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 5: to annoint to successor. What he wants to do is

1147
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 5: have one of them kill him. Maybe not literally, but

1148
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,959
Speaker 5: certainly figuratively. He's waiting for one of them to rise

1149
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,959
Speaker 5: up and grab a sword and cut his head off.

1150
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this a conversation I've had with

1151
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: people that I often have with people who maybe are

1152
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: not super into the show, as they'll say, well, you know,

1153
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: I give it a try, and the characters are just

1154
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: so unlikable. And then I'll be like, okay, well what

1155
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: shows you like and they'll be like, you know, like

1156
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: the Sopranos. I'm like, okay, well everybody on that everybody

1157
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: on that show is a mass murderer. So I don't

1158
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: think you're saying unlikable or bad person. I think you're

1159
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: saying something else. What do you think it is about

1160
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: the depiction of this kind of wealth that maybe turn

1161
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: some people off? And then answer to that part of

1162
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: that question is I'm fascinated by the way Succession manages

1163
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: to make wealth not aspirational. It makes it seem terrible

1164
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. How does it manage to

1165
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: do that? In your estimation?

1166
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I think part of it is that

1167
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 5: there are shows where people express very broad emotions, where

1168
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 5: they are like, this is how I feel, and this

1169
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 5: is all that I feel. Like. The Sopranos is a

1170
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 5: great television show with a lot of beautiful writing and

1171
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 5: a lot of great acting, and it's also a show

1172
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 5: where people project how they feel and there isn't a

1173
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 5: lot of subtlety. I'm sorry, Like, if you're a Soprano

1174
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 5: super fan, you think there's subtlety to that show, I disagree,

1175
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 5: because everybody's playing the hand that they were dealt. Tony

1176
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 5: Soprano is just that guy. He is a meathead who

1177
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 5: is going through an existential crisis, and that's great. I

1178
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 5: love that show. But Succession is a comedy about people

1179
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 5: who believe themselves to be something they are not, and

1180
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 5: so they're always playing in the artifice. Roman is always

1181
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 5: pretending to be cool, even though he is a sad

1182
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 5: guy who jacks off on a window of the skyscraper

1183
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 5: and needs to be a abused and insulted by a

1184
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 5: powerful woman. Kendall thinks he's a suave captain of industry,

1185
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 5: but he's really a scared little boy down the line.

1186
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 5: You know, they're all showing their true colors in very

1187
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 5: brief moments, and so it's hard to, I think, connect

1188
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 5: to people who are inscrutable, especially if you are someone

1189
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 5: who cannot identify with the problems that these people have.

1190
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 5: I can identify with Kendall, I can identify with Roman,

1191
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 5: I can identify with Shiv if I really have to,

1192
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:40,439
Speaker 5: I could even identify with Greg. And Greg's uncomfortable sort

1193
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 5: of attitude around anybody with power, like that scene where

1194
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 5: he's trying to explain his canceling his mother's credit card.

1195
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 2: I've been there.

1196
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 5: I'm stuck in a room with someone who doesn't want

1197
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,479
Speaker 5: to talk to me, and I'm just going to start

1198
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 5: to word vomit because I need to fill space. If

1199
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 5: you don't have that self awareness to say, ah, I'm

1200
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 5: kind of like these people, then you're not gonna connect

1201
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 5: to the show.

1202
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 4: Say yeah, I think it's twofol because I I came

1203
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 4: into the show very late, Like I came in when

1204
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 4: season two had already finished. I my the thing that

1205
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 4: was sort of bumping me is that, like one, it

1206
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 4: came out right when Trump was pretty rich at his height,

1207
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 4: and I was like, I don't want to watch a

1208
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 4: show about rich, shitty white people like I see that

1209
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 4: every single day, Like I don't need more of that

1210
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 4: willingly and just taking take that in willingly. But for me,

1211
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 4: like alienation was what makes it work for me, Like

1212
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 4: I'm never gonna be a billionaire, Like I've never seen

1213
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 4: that level of wealth, Like I'd never been around that

1214
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 4: type of white person, like that type of like a

1215
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 4: white industry, you know, like I'm from the South. I

1216
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 4: came from like you know, farmers and like all that

1217
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 4: type of stuff. Like it's hard for me to relate,

1218
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 4: but like part of that makes the viewing experience so

1219
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 4: much more. You know, it's like reading a Greek myth

1220
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 4: or something like these are like the gods doing doing

1221
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 4: their thing or whatever, but like seeing those human moments

1222
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 4: like I Dave was saying, like I can relate to

1223
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 4: like seeing a scared little boy pretending he's a big

1224
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 4: tough man because you know he has aldolimately daddy issues,

1225
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 4: like I've seen people in fight and family like I

1226
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 4: have cousins that don't get along with the churches, Like

1227
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 4: I've seen that stuff. So like that has been made

1228
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 4: it interesting. But also Jason to your point about it

1229
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 4: being you know, really a takedown of how like being

1230
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 4: rich really does kind of fucking suck, and like even

1231
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 4: when you have access to everything, like it really does

1232
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 4: highlight how how the most important thing, in my opinion

1233
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 4: is family and how really if everything's been driving that

1234
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 4: has been going to war, as Logan likes to say,

1235
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 4: you're like all about you know, dominating everyone else and

1236
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:28,919
Speaker 4: really does come back to home.

1237
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 3: So really my emotional endpoint.

1238
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 4: Has been cousin Greg, because he really is the one

1239
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 4: that's like, yeah, he's a fucking bumpkin that sort of

1240
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 4: just got sucked into being a super powerful family and

1241
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 4: I was just trying to figure out and stake his

1242
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 4: clave and stay in there.

1243
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a show that's to me about the apocalypse

1244
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 5: or about dystopia, even though it takes place in the

1245
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 5: approximation of our real world. It is a show about

1246
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 5: the decay of a society and how the people above

1247
01:07:55,840 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 5: that society make decisions that are capricious or bizarre or

1248
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 5: hard to understand, but they affect billions of people. And

1249
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 5: just like the opening credits and some of the shots,

1250
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 5: some of the shots in this last episode of this

1251
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 5: the distance that the characters have from the camera, or

1252
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 5: the way that the sets sort of consume the characters.

1253
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 5: It's this world that they have created that we don't

1254
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 5: get to see that is destroying the rest of the world,

1255
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 5: like it's pushing everything else out. And it's very bleak

1256
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 5: to watch sometimes when you realize what's at stake and

1257
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 5: you realize what it means that this is happening every day.

1258
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 5: These people are villains, no question about it, and yet

1259
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 5: you can see yourself in those villains, and you can

1260
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 5: say I'm playing a part in the destruction of society too.

1261
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 2: Ooops.

1262
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: I think the thing that I think about the most

1263
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: when watching the show, we're thinking about wealth and billionaires

1264
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: in general, is like it's impossible to really compute what

1265
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 1: that level of wealth does to your brain chemistry, Like

1266
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: I actually can't imagine it having been around or seen

1267
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: like really famous people, right, I think everybody here is

1268
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: at a level of notoriety where people recognize your name, right,

1269
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 1: that's a level. But then when you see people like who,

1270
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: their dms are blowing up all the time, their texts

1271
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: are blowing everybody. There is nobody in that person's sphere

1272
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,759
Speaker 1: who will be like you fucked up, that was wrong

1273
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: or anything. They will only tell you the great shit

1274
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: that messes with your brain chemistry. And I think in

1275
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: a similar way, like that's what happens here. You just

1276
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: look at how hard it is for Logan at any

1277
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: point in time to get a straight read on what

1278
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 1: anybody thinks. He's like begging everybody all the time, Okay,

1279
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: so who you like for CEO? And at the same time,

1280
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: everybody's quite aware of Logan is asking for a thing,

1281
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: but he doesn't really want to know. Yeah, it's actually

1282
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: very dangerous for me if I tell him the truth.

1283
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: So you're just like in this cocoon where you have

1284
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 1: no idea what way up is? What moral compass is

1285
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 1: pointing where what the price of fucking milk is what

1286
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 1: it costs to rent an average apartment, Like, you don't

1287
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: know all these things, and I don't know how I

1288
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: would react if somebody dumped eight hundred million dollars on my.

1289
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 5: You stop trusting people. This is the first thing you do.

1290
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 5: And that's what that's what we see in this. You know,

1291
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 5: he sees Frank and he's like, I don't trust him.

1292
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 5: He has to be on a plane train. I don't

1293
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 5: trust him, and yet he needs to be on the

1294
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 5: plane with me so I could keep an eye on him.

1295
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 5: This is maniacal, This is madness. But that is how

1296
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 5: these people interact with each other. And I think that's

1297
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 5: another thing you're pointing out that keeps people from connecting

1298
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 5: to the show sometimes is again, like I said, the

1299
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 5: duality of everybody's behavior, but also you know, the various

1300
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 5: different motivations and things. It can seem confusing. It can

1301
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 5: seem like where are we? Where are we? Where is

1302
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 5: the North Star? As you point out out, nobody really knows,

1303
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 5: So it becomes complicated to follow the story. Not because

1304
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 5: the story is complicated, but because the characters themselves and

1305
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:14,679
Speaker 5: their motivations are complicated. Where is Shiv on this board?

1306
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 5: We don't really know as of yet, and so it's

1307
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 5: just like, what are the lines? Like the poster for

1308
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 5: the season is a line and the characters staring at

1309
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 5: each other, but on one side is Tom and we

1310
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 5: know Tom is with Logan right now, So what is

1311
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 5: going on?

1312
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 2: We don't know.

1313
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 5: And that's how the show creates drama, but it also

1314
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 5: alienates some people who need a more clear delineation between

1315
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 5: good and evil.

1316
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's you see there. You see them

1317
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,919
Speaker 4: change allegiances in real time, and you see them overthink

1318
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 4: things during a real time, like the conversation between Romulus

1319
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 4: and and Logan about who should take the position, and

1320
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 4: you see he just says butt and like Logan catches

1321
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 4: onto that, and like it's all downhill from there. Is

1322
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 4: like yeah, like it is a hard show to follow

1323
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 4: if you're expecting a straight point A to point B

1324
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 4: to point see the post the characters going from you know,

1325
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 4: I'm gonna hop over to him. Actually let me let

1326
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 4: me backtrack to D and then we'll fast forward to

1327
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 4: ask over.

1328
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: Here any favorite lines from this episode and then let's

1329
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: ask for some let's get some predictions. Any favorite lines, David.

1330
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 2: Oh boy, I mean I think everybody loved the line

1331
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,600
Speaker 2: where Logan.

1332
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 5: Says to Roman, you're gonna suck by Dick, and like,

1333
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 5: great thing to say to your son during a sexual

1334
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 5: assault investigation, and then it closes the helicopter Like. I

1335
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 5: loved that one. It was a great Kindle episode in general.

1336
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 5: I loved Greg's stuff about the neutral bullets and his

1337
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 5: mother buying nutrab bullets like Jesus makes these terrible smoothies. Yeah,

1338
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 5: a really funny, funny episode, but I think the first

1339
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 5: line was the funniest.

1340
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, that one's great and my my top three or

1341
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 4: that one. Uh, Greg being like the pope followed you wait,

1342
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 4: I don't know if this is the actual real prof

1343
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 4: and Kindle when he's like, this could all get super earnest.

1344
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 4: I was thinking about hitting up some Bowjack guys.

1345
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: Because you because you know all those dudes that are like, right,

1346
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 1: we know, yeah, I need Johnny Son. Imagine I can

1347
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: I can actually like imagine right now being in a

1348
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 1: group chat where you fellas are involved, where somebody is like, hey,

1349
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:31,839
Speaker 1: so y'all are gonna laugh guess what I just booked? Gosh?

1350
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: I think that for me, I loved Logan when Frank

1351
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: is like what about cooperation and Logan says.

1352
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 5: It's yeah, he was especially angry this entire episode.

1353
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,600
Speaker 1: And then he says like quieter, Yeah, that to me

1354
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 1: was like they know, they know what the memes are now. Uh,

1355
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: it was a great moment. And then I think this was,

1356
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:03,759
Speaker 1: for me, a real spotlight episode for Kendall's tireless assistant

1357
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 1: Jess played by Julianna Canfield, who there is I'm a

1358
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: big fan of reaction shots. I love reactions, you know,

1359
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: generally to me is the king of reactions. But but

1360
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 1: Juliana gets there with this one. So they're riding in

1361
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: the juices loose suv to rob Us and Ken gets

1362
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,600
Speaker 1: on the horn with Naomi and know, I mean, he's like,

1363
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:34,679
Speaker 1: are you the greatest man ever?

1364
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 2: No?

1365
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: But seriously like are you the greatest? And he's like, no,

1366
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: stop it, stop it, but am I? And then if

1367
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 1: you watched Essa's face in the background, She's just like

1368
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 1: looking around like, oh my, I can't believe that this

1369
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 1: is a conversation, though she like tries to signal him

1370
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: like hey, we're almost there, so maybe like wrap this

1371
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 1: super weird conversation. Up, I love that. I love reaction

1372
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 1: shots so funny. Okay, predictions, David, what do you think

1373
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: is gonna happen in anywhere in the season?

1374
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 3: Oh boy?

1375
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I feel like they've been teasing Tom

1376
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 5: taking over Wastar Royco for so long that there is

1377
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 5: going to be a point where he does rise to

1378
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 5: the throne. It just seems inevitable that the worst person

1379
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 5: for the job will be the person who survives and

1380
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,759
Speaker 5: gets it. And it feels like, again a peep Show

1381
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 5: esque sort of plot plot line is, let's do the

1382
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 5: thing that would embarrass all of the characters the most,

1383
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 5: and it would be Tom being in charge, because Tom

1384
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 5: is such a spineless weasel, and it would upset Shift

1385
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 5: so much that it's a perfect, perfect comedy plot, perfect

1386
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 5: dramatic plot, because then you've got instead of the puppet

1387
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 5: master manipulating everyone and everybody looking to that person for direction,

1388
01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 5: you've got a person now who is completely manipulatable. Take

1389
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 5: advantage of this person, and you can see that power

1390
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 5: vacuum in a lot of corporate situations where they install

1391
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 5: someone specifically so they can be taken advantage of. So

1392
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 5: whoever the cleverest person is can use that human being

1393
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 5: as a sock puppet, and so I think that that

1394
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 5: would be a great season for storyline as you put

1395
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 5: this buffoon on the throne and see what happens. I

1396
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 5: love it, Zike.

1397
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 4: I'm holding out for my boy cousin Greg. I think

1398
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 4: the shoe is going to drop on him. I think he,

1399
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 4: in true Greg fashion, he's going to somehow find himself

1400
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 4: in a position where he is not only going to

1401
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 4: fuck over the entire family unwillingly, but then also he's

1402
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 4: going to backped and try to save him own self

1403
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 4: and the only way that you know, cousin Greg can.

1404
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 4: So I'm waiting for him to assume the throne, which

1405
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,679
Speaker 4: for him is probably just another low level junior executive level.

1406
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 4: But I really want to see him in court and

1407
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 4: I want to see him pointing fingers and and having

1408
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 4: to be put on the stand.

1409
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1410
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 5: One other thing I want to point out is, you know,

1411
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 5: Sandy buying the company is still in play. Stewie's still

1412
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 5: out there exactly, so there's a possibility that will be

1413
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 5: My number two prediction is that that does happen, and

1414
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 5: then the business gets purchased and that they're all out

1415
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 5: of work.

1416
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: My prediction is that, and they tease it in this episode,

1417
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: we're going to get the election. They're gonna hinge a

1418
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:31,679
Speaker 1: lot of their hopes on. President Raisin saves our bacon

1419
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: and calls off the dogs. But then they lose the

1420
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 1: election and they're fucked. So I think that that is

1421
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 1: President Bogosian President. Oh my god, we got to get

1422
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: Gill back in the mix, but I think we see that.

1423
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: I think that that is one of the things I'm

1424
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: gonna call. And then finally, I think that if Logan

1425
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 1: wanted to end this fast, knowing that it's Ken and

1426
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 1: Naomi as like the brain trust and like the emotional support,

1427
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 1: I would just send every coke dealer in to every

1428
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: place they are all the time. I would drop baggies

1429
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: of white drugs on their walk to the bodega, like

1430
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: wherever it is. Because I think they are very I

1431
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 1: think it would not be that hard to cause them

1432
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 1: to self to trug. Just send drug dealers to their apartment.

1433
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 4: It's your John Wick two moment, only it's only for

1434
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 4: dope boys pushing coke tail little baggy.

1435
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 5: I still love that line in season two where Greg

1436
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 5: buys them the cocaine. He's like, you bought part coke?

1437
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 5: Like he was so horrified. Yeah, people do it all

1438
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 5: the time.

1439
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: I could see Wiger writing Ken's Twitter.

1440
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1441
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 5: I think Nick Niger of Dope Boys writing Kendall Roy's

1442
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 5: Twitter would be very funny. I'm sorry though, that Nick

1443
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 5: was not hired for that role in this season.

1444
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 2: All right, finally, Dave plug everything you're doing? Oh boy? Okay, Well,

1445
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 2: first of all, Galaxy Brains.

1446
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 5: This podcast that I do with my man Joe and

1447
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 5: Ray Jason's been on before and hopefully we'll be on

1448
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 5: again soon. Yes, talk about movies, TV and other stuff,

1449
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 5: you know, in a very smart way, kind of like

1450
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 5: this show, but with a whole lot more dick jokes.

1451
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 5: And then I also have a column for The Times.

1452
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 5: I write about fashion style, what it all means, really,

1453
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 5: what does it mean down deep inside in your heart?

1454
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 5: What does clothes mean? And so I've been doing that

1455
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 5: for a while. I tried on a skirt for the

1456
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 5: first time and that was my last look. So check

1457
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 5: that one out and find out why you mentioned wear

1458
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 5: skirts whenever they want, David, Thank you so much, Thank

1459
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 5: you guys.

1460
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 1: All Right, that's it for the hive mind up next endgame. Cody.

1461
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: Fuck off. Today we're doing top fives, and I would

1462
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: like you all the fuck off. Number one, fuck off,

1463
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 1: number two, fuck off. We're gonna write off our favorite

1464
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 1: fictional billionaires now, Cody, in honor of succession Season three

1465
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: and the return of the incredibly Rich, incredibly oily, incredibly problematic,

1466
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:15,759
Speaker 1: incredibly destroying America's democracy and our culture, piece by piece

1467
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 1: Roy Family. We're going to be ranking by whatever metric

1468
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 1: we would like to put out there, our five favorite

1469
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 1: fictional billionaires. Now we'll go five or five. We have

1470
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 1: flipped a coin and we've decided that I will start,

1471
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start. Here are my five billionaires, in

1472
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: no particular order. Number one, I'm gonna go with Warren Worthington,

1473
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: the Angel. He mostly does good stuff and manufactures like listen.

1474
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,679
Speaker 1: I don't know how much recent events at Krakoa and

1475
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, the mutants have gotten into

1476
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 1: pharmaceuticals like heavy, I don't know how much that is

1477
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 1: fucked with Warren's net worth. But warren't always seemed like

1478
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 1: the chillest of the billionaires. So I'm gonna go with

1479
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 1: Warren Worthington the archangel as my number one number two. Uh, Smog,

1480
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: he wasn't hurting anybody, like, he just wanted to chill

1481
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 1: with his shit and like it in terms of like

1482
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 1: you know, leveraging his wealth to destroy the world or

1483
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: dodging tax that he didn't pay taxes, Yeah, I get it,

1484
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 1: but like Smog, oh like net bottom line, he would

1485
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 1: just wanted to sleep on his gold.

1486
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 4: He got his, he got his and left. He stayed

1487
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 4: in his back left. No, he was just chilling like

1488
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 4: you didn't.

1489
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 1: People didn't mean to come in there and kill him

1490
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 1: when he was just like sleeping on his gold. Yeah, okay, Next,

1491
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with to Challah the Black Panther. Listen,

1492
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 1: we don't know, we can't put a number on it.

1493
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's actually trillions, like if you really want

1494
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 1: to get into like, he is the head of a

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01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 1: nation state that is the most technologically advanced nation in

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Speaker 1: the Marvel universe. Therefore, he kind of owns everything and

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Speaker 1: it's as close to a utopia as we have seen

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Speaker 1: in that fictional world. So I'm gonna go with T'Challa.

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Speaker 1: It seems to be doing well for his people. Next, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring it back the classic Jay Gatsby. I

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Speaker 1: think obviously we're doing adjusted for inflation like he was.

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01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 1: This is like you're talking about like nineteen twenty one

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01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 1: or whatever, so he was probably a millionaire, but like,

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01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 1: surely in today's money a billionaire. Side note, I love

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01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 1: reading like Bronze era age comics and it's like, oh

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01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 1: my god, that's that's Tony Stark, the head of Stark Industries.

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Speaker 2: He's worth five million dollars.

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01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,719
Speaker 3: He has one hundred thousand dollars car.

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01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've never seen such wealth till He's

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01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:05,639
Speaker 1: stun He lives in a one million dollar mansion.

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Speaker 4: It has two stories and unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna bring it back to Jay Gatsby. Those

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01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 1: Jay Gatsby vibes again. My guy just wanted to like

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01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: fucking party on the north shore of Long Island, So

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01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 1: I get it. Uh, problematic guy, but still next, Adrian Vite,

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01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: he's smarter than everybody. Everybody's so so dumb. He is

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01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: so so smart and so so rich lex Luthor vibes.

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01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 1: I love it from my guy, Adrian Vte. You know, uh,

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01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 1: no spoilers if you haven't read Watchman, I will say

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Speaker 1: nothing more.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're in for a rud you know, uh

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Speaker 4: for number one spot. First of all, this should be

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Speaker 4: no billionaires, but they're going to be a billionaire to

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01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 4: child is the first one I got a pick. He's

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01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 4: actually the only good one. As you said, he had

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01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 4: turned Wakanda into your tope. He fights for good. He

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01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 4: also loves his people. He's he's he's got an ear

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Speaker 4: to the ground. So shout out to T'Challa for holding

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Speaker 4: down the one good billionaire spot. I'm gonna go with

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01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 4: Justin Throw from the Casino Planet on Star Wars the

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01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 4: Last Jedi as my next pick. Shout out to that billionaire.

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01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 4: You don't know his network, but I'm assuming he's got

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01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 4: a lot of money. After that, I gotta get a

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01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 4: shout out to Tony Stark, one of the og billionaires

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01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 4: to ever do it. He wanted to just create a

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01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 4: police of Armor for the world and inevertently created Ultron,

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01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 4: So like he's got some good and bad going on. Yeah,

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01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:33,599
Speaker 4: but also he's bankrolling the New Avengers, so he's got

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01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:35,560
Speaker 4: a bit stuff. Yeah, you know, he's he's trying to

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01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 4: outweigh the bad that he did and he did save

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01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:40,639
Speaker 4: half the universe, so got to give it up for

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01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 4: Tony Stark. After that, we have number four, We have

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01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 4: Bishop Whalin from the alien universe. Bad billionaire, but he

1544
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 4: did explore the universe and he did give us the

1545
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 4: the Axeno Merks and the yachtscha Ak predators. So he

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01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 4: has done good net cause for the he has done

1547
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 4: a small abount of good. I'm not gonna say net.

1548
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 4: It's been a much mostly evil is what he's been doing.

1549
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 4: It's really, it really is a true sign of how

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01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 4: bad capitalism can be. But he did introduce humans to

1551
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 4: two other alien races. And to top things out, like

1552
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 4: I give a shout out to my boys, Seymour Burns

1553
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 4: see more Montgomery Burns from the Symptoms a true comical

1554
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 4: classic bad Billionaire. All I really wanted to do is

1555
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 4: learn Homer's name, And after thirty two seasons, he still

1556
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 4: does not know Homer from Sector seven G. So I'm

1557
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 4: hoping out for season thirty three he'll stick the landing.

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01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 1: What would you do if you were a billionaire? What

1559
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,719
Speaker 1: would your let's say you wealth was not an issue.

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01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 1: Money was not an issue. You know. I was recently

1561
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 1: hipped to the fact that there is a sandwich shop

1562
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 1: in Eagle Rock that I'm forgetting the name of it now,

1563
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 1: but it's owned by like a former Friends writer. So

1564
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, you do three four seasons of Friends.

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01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, network money.

1566
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:57,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're getting checks in the mail like every month

1567
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 1: that are stupid, stupid stuff. And so he was just like,

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01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 1: I retire now and I open a sandwich shop because

1569
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:06,719
Speaker 1: that's what I love to do, is make sandwiches.

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01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 2: And I heard it's really good.

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01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: So what if that was your life, what would your

1572
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 1: version of the sandwich shop be? Oh?

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01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 4: Boy, man, I think I think it's going to be

1574
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 4: a combination. I think I do a combination guitar shop.

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01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 4: I play guitar use a guitar fan slash like hobby shop.

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01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 4: So like one, I'm I'm at the guitar shop, I'm

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01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 4: at the hobby shop. I'm at the combination guitar Oh

1578
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 4: my boy, you can't see it, Jason's Guy's ax up,

1579
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 4: I got my less Paul.

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01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 3: You can't see it right in the corner here. Yeah.

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01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do a half guitar shop and the other

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01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:40,719
Speaker 4: half would be like models in comic books and stuff.

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01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 1: I love that. I would do something similar. It's called

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01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 1: Comics and Coffee. Oh, it's a combination coffee shop, comic shop.

1585
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 1: And we have models, we have cards, we have all

1586
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 1: the stowy trades, manga, the whole thing. And my goal

1587
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 1: would be to lose massive amounts of money every quarter.

1588
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 1: Everybody who works there makes like six figures with full benefits. Oh, yes,

1589
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 1: you're working there, that's it. Don't worry about it. You're good.

1590
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:11,560
Speaker 2: Two.

1591
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 1: If you're a kid from tough circumstances, free pull list,

1592
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 1: no questions asked. What do you want? You're reading it,

1593
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 1: you can't afford it, take it home, doesn't matter. I'm

1594
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 1: losing money on this hand over fist every fucking week.

1595
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 1: We're getting shit away. And then also we want to

1596
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: make sure we don't put any of the other local

1597
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 1: comic shops in the area out of business by giving

1598
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 1: away too much free stuff, So we would we'd subsidize

1599
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 1: them as needed. But Comics and Coffee, that's what it

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01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: would be, and the goal would be to lose like

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01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:43,639
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars a month.

1602
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'd sign me up. I would.

1603
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 4: I would swing on down to Comics and Coffee. I'd

1604
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 4: be a local there. I'll set the shop next to

1605
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 4: my guitar shop.

1606
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: Yes, we just sit in there and jam two guitars,

1607
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 1: just like messing around. Well, folks, listen, that's it for

1608
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 1: the endgame. Do you want to be rich? Do you

1609
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 1: like billionaires? Let us know whether you agree, couldn't disagree more,

1610
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Speaker 1: share your answers at hashtag XRV endgame. That's XRV endgame

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Speaker 1: and tell us what what would you do if you

1612
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Speaker 1: were getting money in the mail every single week and

1613
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:20,839
Speaker 1: just had time to pursue your hobbies. Thank you David Shilling,

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01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 1: Thank you Cody Ziggler for another incredible episode of X

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Speaker 1: ray Vision ZIG. Where can the people find you?

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 4: Yeay for Zig across all them social media platforms. You know,

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Speaker 4: I keep it simple. If you're also interesting listening to

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Speaker 4: the producers for this show, but we keep it very loose,

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Speaker 4: but it's fun if you listen to yell about anime

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Speaker 4: and mangan video games.

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Speaker 1: Check it out and then finally, let me just say

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Speaker 1: this because Cody is too humble of a man to

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Speaker 1: say this. Amazing spider Man seventy nine, Amazing Spider Man

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Speaker 1: and Cody is writing a Miles Morales spider Man number

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Speaker 1: twenty five. Buy the shit. Go to your local colleagbook

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Please.

1633
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 4: It's a dream come true and I am too humble

1634
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Speaker 4: to brag about it, so please please check them out.

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Speaker 1: of the deepest dives in hot Takes. Next week we

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Speaker 1: Media production. The show is produced by Chris Lord and

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1652
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