WEBVTT - Can't Say It Without a Tat 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:07.040 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:11.160 Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong Show, Getty. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:13.400 Armstrong and Getty, and he. 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:18.160 Armstrong and Getty. 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.560 We've been talking to Tom McLintock for twenty five years 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:27.520 something like that on The Armstrong and Getty Show, going 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:29.400 way back to when we were all much younger, and 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:33.120 he was a just a California Assemblyman and then eventually 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:37.199 making it into the Congress of the United States of America, 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:40.800 currently representing the fifth District of California. He's the chair 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.720 of the Immigration Subcommittee. Tom McClintock, welcome back to The 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:45.880 Armstrong and Getty Show. 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:48.800 Well, thanks for having me back. And you realize it's 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:50.440 been closer to thirty years. 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:53.320 Now, Jack, Really, man. 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:55.200 I hate doing that math, but there it is. 0:00:55.360 --> 0:01:00.080 I know. The waytime moves when you get older is shocking. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.280 Very Goldwater Junior once told me that life was like 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:06.319 a roll of toilet paper. The closer you got to 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:07.760 the end, the faster it goes. 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.520 That's certainly true. I'm gonna give you a little warning 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:13.679 that you can work on in your subconscious before we 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.360 do these other topics, because it was driving me crazy 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.720 over the fourth July two hundred and fifteth anniversary, some 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.160 of the stuff flying around on social media and on 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.600 cable news of people that hate this country and think it's, 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.360 you know, a force for evil because you're so good 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.560 at your up with the United States and why we're 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:33.200 a good country. Stuff. I'm going to hit you with 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:39.000 that before we let you go today. But starting here, DOGE, 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:43.720 I guess officially wrapped up Elon Musk and other's efforts 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.120 to try to rain in government spending and waste and 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:50.720 all that sort of stuff. Is How successful were they? 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.360 Why was it so hard for them to do anything 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.440 about government waste? We've had stories exploding just in the 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.200 last couple of weeks in the California Post and other 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:02.640 places about the amount of waste of federal dollars in California. 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:04.120 Where are we on that story? 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.120 Well, well, again, that's largely because of the work that 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.440 DOGE did turning over rocks and shining the light on 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.079 on the bureaucracy and watching the bureaucraft's scurry for cover. 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.200 It was always slated to expire on July fourth of 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.000 twenty twenty six. It was never considered to be a 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:24.000 permanent agency you know, Musk thought that they could eliminate 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:29.240 a trillion dollars in waste. And it's possible when when 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:33.120 you look at the Medicaid, hospice, daycare, student Aid, DEI 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:37.160 and other frauds that are now being fully investigated by 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.560 the Department of Justice. I think using the ballpark, they 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:43.760 documented savings about two hundred and fifteen billion dollars. That's 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.799 nothing to sneeze now, it is not seventeen hundred dollars 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.720 per household, but the work they did is now being 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.320 carried on by the Department of Justice and all the 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.600 other agencies. And just to give you one example, mement 0:02:56.680 --> 0:03:00.160 Oz told us recently that when Biden entered office, there 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.760 were just eighty fraud investigators in the entire Medicaid program. 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:05.519 That's nearly a trillion dollar. 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.119 Wow, that is incredible. 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:13.760 It gets worse. Biden's HHS secretary, one Hobby or Bicero, 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.560 who's now waiting to be anointed governor of California. When 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:23.880 he came in, he cut that number to just eight. Well, Oz's. 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.440 Just gotta go. We gotta spend a little time on this. 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:32.480 There were eight people overseeing the spending of how much 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.239 money to make sure there was no fraud out. 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:38.760 Not overseeing investigating fraud. Eight fraud investigators. 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.800 That's amazing eighty but now. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:45.200 That's being amped up to about twelve hundred, and they're 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.920 currently estimating that for every dollar that they're spending on 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.480 fraud detection, they're producing about twenty two dollars in savings. 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:53.840 And by the way, guess who's heading up that effort 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:59.320 at CMS doje's former acting director, Amy Gleason, So Dodge 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.040 is leading off is living on through these agencies. 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:11.360 It's amazing. And conservatives know this and also know that 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.480 the only way to keep government from wasting money is 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.080 to not give it to them in the first place. 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:19.960 It's really your only hope. But it's amazing how freely 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:24.000 governments at all levels are willing to waste taxpayers money. 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:29.479 Yeah, well, that's bureaucratic behavior. It's in the system itself. 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:32.200 And as you said that the founders had it right. 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.280 The best way to deal with it is to provide 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:39.920 for limited government and to a trust of the people 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.279 with the judgment over how to run their own lives, 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:45.600 rather than having the government try to run their lives 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.000 for them. I mean, you know, I've been in this 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:51.120 business a long time. And you know, these these leftists 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.320 who think they're so good at running their own lives 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.279 that they're also entitled to run everybody else's. You get 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.159 to know them, you realize they're not very good at 0:04:58.200 --> 0:04:59.600 running their own lives either. 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.240 Is often the case. Yeah, and you know, when the 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:08.279 story exploded in Minnesota with the waste, a lot of 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.480 people knew and it turned out to be true. California 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.680 was saying, you know, hold my EBT card. It turned 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:17.320 out California is going to be once we uncover all this, 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:21.000 and federal taxpayers should be angry all across the country 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:21.799 about this spending. 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:25.120 Oh sure, because if there it's their money, and it's 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:29.920 it's disappearing into this gigantic kleptocracy. And and for no, 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:34.680 there's no excuse for it. You know, California's state auditor 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:40.040 looked at all of these fraudulent hospice programs. They actually 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:47.360 produced a map of this huge concentration of hospice agencies 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:52.120 in the Los Angeles. Took that to Governor Newsom and 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:56.320 nothing happened. Same story with the whistleblowers in Minnesota. I 0:05:56.400 --> 0:06:00.480 took it to Tim Walks. He did absolutely nothing. Now 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:04.640 I will say in defensive the hospice providers in Los 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:10.679 Angeles not a single hospice patient died, So they're that good. 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:17.840 Fantastic switching topics because I know you have a limited time. 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.400 Twenty first Century Road to Housing Act, Affordability is the 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.240 word that's on everybody's lips. It seems to be in 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.040 both parties. What is the twenty first Century Road to 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:28.640 Housing Act and how could that help people? 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:31.200 Well, I don't think it's going to help people. In 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.320 fact that Wall Street Journals had done several editorials against it, 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.200 pointing out that all of the additional of BUAUGA. You 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.520 see that they're creating all the additional regulations that actually 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.680 uning to cost drive up the cost of housing. The 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:47.800 most popular feature of it is that it prohibits corporations 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:51.000 from buying homes and then renting them out. Well, that's 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.800 about one percent of the market. And it will slightly 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:56.320 reduce the price of housing. But at the same time, 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.800 it will slightly increase the price of rentals because you're 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.960 reading reducing the supply of rentals, increasing supply of housing, 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.160 decreasing supply of rentals. That doesn't accomplish anything. Look, if 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.479 you want to know everything there is about what's wrong 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:14.600 with housing prices and how Reagan was right. Government's not 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.800 the solution of these problems. Government is the problem. But 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.840 one statistic tells you a lot. There were more housing 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:26.600 permits granted in Dallas and Houston last year and were 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.680 granted in the entire state of California combined. The median 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.680 price of a home in Texas is three hundred and 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:36.520 sixty thousand dollars. In California it's nine hundred and ten 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:41.040 thousand dollars. We've done it to ourselves by imposing expensive 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:46.160 mandates on construction, limiting the permits to be issued, charging 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:50.320 exorbitant fees when they do issue permits, restricting the land 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:54.640 that's available for housing, flooding the market with subsidies. And 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.640 by the way, the demand pressure of adding ten million 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:02.760 illegal aliens to the market during the Biden years didn't 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:03.800 help either. 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.440 Since you brought up illegal aliens and illegal immigration, where 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.200 are we on sanctuary cities, because I know you're on 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.600 the Immigration subcommitte or the chair, Actually, where's the whole 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:16.560 sanctuary city story. 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:21.120 Well, we've got a bill that will preempt sanctuary jurisdictions 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:24.720 and allow the local sheriffs who desperately want many of 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.720 them desperately want to cooperate with ICE, but are forbidden 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:32.000 by state law. We preempt those state laws allow them 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:39.199 to enter into direct agreements with ICE for enforcement. And 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.559 it also allows the Angel families to sue ICE jurisdictions 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:47.160 who recklessly released criminal aliens rather than turning them over 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.680 to ICE for deportation. I mean, people have to understand, 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:56.400 these sanctuary laws do not This is not general immigration enforcement. 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:02.280 They're specifically aimed at protecting criminal illegal aliens from being deported. 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.040 So instead of turning over prisoners in their custody to 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:09.760 ICE for deportation, these sanctuary jurisdictions instead release them back 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:13.640 into our communities. And you know, you've heard of the 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:18.440 countless tragedies that resulted last year sanctuary jurisdictions in the 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:22.880 United States refused to honor seventeen thousand, eight hundred and 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.720 sixty four ICE detainer requests. Wow, and a quarter of 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.480 the releases. By the way, we're in California now, these 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:34.800 were criminals in custody from federal law requires me deported. Instead, 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.520 the sanctuaries released them back into our community. 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.400 That's unconscionable. I don't know how you sleep at night. 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.960 That's the weird thing about ideology that I don't quite 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.480 get that you can like trump your common sense where 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.840 you think you know what. I believe in diversity, so 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.760 I'm gonna let criminals back on the street. I just 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:54.560 I don't get it. 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:57.880 Well, we just had a peer before our committee of 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:00.320 the mother of Sheridan Gormer. She's the eighteen year old 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.240 college student in Chicago. She went out for a night 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.319 to look at the northern lights with her friends. She 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:09.439 was a shot in the back of the head by 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:17.120 an illegal alien who had been arrested in Chicago. Should 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.600 have been turned over to Ice, instead was released back 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.360 in the community. That's the reason she's dead. Her mother 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:27.440 came to testify. It was heartbreaking testimony, but the ranking 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.280 Democrat on our committee told her to her face, and 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.520 by the way, there are probably a dozen other angel 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.959 families in the audience, told her to her face that 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.439 we had better things to do than another hearing on 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.959 the sanctuary policies that killed her daughter. 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:42.240 Can you believe that? 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.200 It's just It's like I said, I don't know how 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:47.800 some of these people sleep at night. I don't know. 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.520 I don't know how they justify this to themselves. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:55.680 Well, we had another hearing. The mother, Stephanie Mencher was there. 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.720 She was a young lady stabbed to death by an 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.800 ill legal alien that Fairfax County had in custody for 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:06.360 other crimes. Had an ICE detainer a request to turn 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.760 over the Ice instead released this murderer back into the 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:15.920 community where he murdered Stephanie Minterer. The woke sheriff who 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.800 had released her said that, well, they just didn't have 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:23.920 money in their budget to cooperate with ICE. And I said, 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.080 all you had to do was make a phone call 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.480 tell Ice you had this guy in your custody, so 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.640 they come pick him up. They've got an eighty two 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:35.600 million dollar budget, but she couldn't spare a dime to 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.320 call ICE to pick up this dangerous criminal. She released 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.000 him back onto the streets, and Stephanie Minner is dead 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:46.080 as a result. I mean, these stories keep piling up, 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:49.280 and they're going to pile up until we deal with 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:50.760 these sanctuary jurisdictions. 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.800 Yeah. Making the transition to final topic here, I'm starting 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.640 to believe that there is something like to this idea 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:01.720 of a woke mind virus that fits in with Marxism 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:05.640 or something where it just it's like a mental disease. 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:10.600 Speaking of which, I was following the national debate over 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:14.440 the last weekend two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of Independence Day, 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.520 all the great stuff that I was coming across with 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.440 our history and our founding and why America is an 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:24.679 exceptional country. Then you had the pushback from some people 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:26.880 in the crowd, whether it's may Or Mamdani in New 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:29.640 York or others floating around on Twitter or whatever, on 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.160 how the world would be better without the United States 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.160 and we're a force for evil inness and that, And 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:38.480 you're one of my favorite amateur historians when it comes 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:42.319 to the founding and what's good about America. Hit us 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.840 with a little spiel of why America is an exceptional 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:47.120 country and good for the world. 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.480 Well, what we're facing is is a fundamental question between 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:55.960 two anathetical principles. It simply can't exist freedom and socialism. 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.160 We had that problem before more than one hundred years ago, 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.640 when the question freedom or slavery, And if you think 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.800 about it, slavery and socialism spring from exactly the same 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.600 rotten principle that Lincoln described as the same spirit that 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.320 says you work and toil and make bread and I 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.280 will eat it. So you hear from people like Tim Walsh, well, 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.400 one man's socialism is another man's neighborliness. And you hear 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.880 well capitalism that's just dog eat dogs, selfishness, looking out 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.920 for yourself. Socialism is sharing and caring. They have that 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:29.400 completely backwards. The only possible way to succeed in a 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.120 free capitalist society is that you have to figure out 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.160 what somebody else needs and how to get it for 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:37.719 them better than they can get it for themselves. It 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.839 might be mowing their lawn, it might be doing brain 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.120 surgery on their child, but you have to help somebody else. 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:47.600 Socialism is taking what one person has earned by helping 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.720 another and giving it to somebody who has it. It's true, 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:52.640 if I take a dollar from Peter and give it 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.800 to Paul, Paul's got an extra dollar. It's been Paul's 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:59.040 better off. We've now hurt Peter to the same degree 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.480 what Milton Friedman wore. You can't say government's going to 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.760 help one person without the same bread saying is going 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:06.839 to hurt somebody else. But what you've really done is 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.360 you rob both Peter and Paul of a dollar's worth 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:13.959 of incentive to help each other. Paul no longer needs 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.280 to help Peter. He already has his dollar. Peter no 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.880 longer has to help Paul because he doesn't profit from 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.160 it anymore. And the glue that holds the civilization together 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.640 breaks apart. And the other thing is you need tons 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.280 of course in a social assystem, because you have to 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.400 compel people to act against their own interest. In judgment, 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:37.720 capitalism requires no force because people make their own decisions. 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:43.360 So that's the great question that we're facing, and that's 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.400 the question. It's going to be resolved, I think over 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:46.520 the next several elections. 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.200 I've heard that story before and I love it from you. 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:51.760 The Peter pay and Paul thing. I wish you could 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.800 get into every school, and you have everybody here that 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.000 at least once before they graduate high school. He's from 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.080 the fifth District of California. He's their youngers spend Tom McLintock, 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:02.200 thanks for your time today. 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.360 Tom My Pleasure, Jack, thanks. 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.200 For having me well. 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Uh, 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.200 somebody in favor of let me say that because I 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:28.160 can't get out more than two syllable words his book 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:31.360 Proclaiming Liberty about the Declaration of Independence, and Tim Sandffer 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:33.080 got to give a speech about it the other day, 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:37.120 standing next to the actual declaration of Independence, which he 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.040 said was one of the favorite things he's ever done 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:41.160 in his life. We'll talk to him about that, among 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.240 other things coming up in a little bit, A few things, 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:50.520 kind of a breaking news thing. Trump just redeclared that 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:55.760 the ceasefire with Iran is officially over. He also said 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.440 that Iran has asked to continue talks and has agreed 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:03.040 to the talks. How those two things square. I have 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:08.879 no idea whatsoever, but this news breaking fits in with 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:12.520 that a little bit. The Secret Service has up to 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:17.000 the protection around jd. Vance and his home, which I 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:21.920 assume fits in with the Wall Street Journal story today 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:26.640 of new threats from Iran on Trump's life, some sort 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:30.200 of specific plot to kill Trump from the Ranians, and 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:34.919 they're up in the protection on JD. Vance. I have 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.440 no idea what the Iranians are up to. It makes 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.600 no sense to me. They had such a good deal going. 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.000 The money spicket got turned back on they were dragging 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.480 their feet on the nuclear talks and nobody was complaining 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.360 about it. Why did they fire on those ships? I'll 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.680 tell you why. I think. I think because Trump was 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:56.040 right when he said they're crazy efforts. They're crazy efforts, 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.000 like why would you want? Do you think you're going 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.720 to get what you want by assassinating Trump? That would 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.399 be insane. But they're insane people, and it's tough to 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:11.320 deal with crazy people. Wow. Oh, Katie, Katie the Newslady 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.280 with her new baby, tried to join a mom's group 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.119 on Facebook. What happened will shock you. We'll get to 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.119 that in the next half hour. Also stick around if 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:20.240 you miss a segment at the podcast Armstrong and Getty 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:25.439 on demand Armstrong and Getty. So I mentioned earlier that 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.600 I feel like it's an advantage. I've reached the age 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.040 now that if I have a problem, people help me 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.879 willingly because they think, look, that poor old man is 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.520 confused or lost or something, and they helped me. One 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:39.520 of the downsides of getting older. I now have to 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.879 deal with my eyebrows on a near daily basis. I 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.160 had never thought about my eyebrows and my entire life. 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.639 They needed no care or attention my entire life, and 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.719 now it's a near daily struggle to keep them under control. 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:57.800 Aging who knew. So I think if you're going to 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:00.840 read one book ever about the Declaration of Independence, it 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.360 ought to be Proclaiming Liberty by our friend Tim Sanderfer 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:08.680 John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and the Declaration of Independence. And 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:12.320 Tim joins the show. I'm about to say something, Tim, welcome, 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:13.320 thanks for coming on again. 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:14.280 Thank you. 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.760 I saw your tweet about what you said of all 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:19.360 the cool things you've got to do in your life, 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.360 you did maybe the coolest thing ever the other day. 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:21.840 What was it? 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:24.600 I got to speak about my book at an event 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.520 at the National Archives in Washington, d C. Which, of 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.360 course is the same building where the Declaration of Independence 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:34.040 itself is on display. We had there's an event there 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:37.639 for school teachers that the Cato Institute organizes where it 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:39.879 helps teach them some of the things that they might 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:41.160 go on to teach their students. 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:43.520 And so we did a presentation about the book and 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:43.880 then went. 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:45.840 Upstairs and had dinner right there in front of the 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:47.159 Declaration of Independence itself. 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:47.800 It was really great. 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.159 That is cool. I rewatched, so I got on a 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.800 big founding kick, like lots of people did, especially people 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:56.760 who love the country did, over the last weeks and months, 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:00.680 and it continues. But I watched the first seven episodes 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:02.800 of the John Adams series where they get into the 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:06.800 debating the declaration and then the voting for it. Man, 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:10.119 I've seen that two or three times, and it's powerful 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:14.720 each time. I really feel like it gets high school 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:16.760 teachers often do such a bad job of telling this 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:18.840 story and taking all the fun out of it. These 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:23.439 guys who had rich, most of them were rich and comfortable, 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:26.199 and they signed onto something where they were gonna be 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:31.760 hung if they lost. They were gonna be hung, no question. 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:35.320 They're and they're facing down the most powerful empire on 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.240 the planet at the time, the largest imperial government since 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.320 the days of ancient Rome. And here they go and 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.840 they they say, we are no longer part of you, 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.159 and we're willing to fight to the death for our freedom. 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:49.840 It's a dramatic story, and it ought to be told dramatically. 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.639 And you're right, that HBO series is easily the best 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:54.600 movie ever made about the American Revolution. 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.639 Yeah, so the you know, I guess we already got 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:00.719 to the sixteen nineteen project. I didn't mean to get 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:04.119 there that fast. But the idea that these founders, you know, 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:05.720 it was all about coming up with a way to 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.680 keep the black man down and perpetually enslaved. Was why 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.520 I risked. The fact that I'm a rich farmer with 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:13.399 a great life and I'm going to get hung if 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:16.600 i don't pull one of the maybe the greatest upset 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:20.040 in history by defeating the Brits, I'm going to be hung. 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:21.600 But it's you know, it's worth it to make sure 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:22.680 black people are slaves. 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.840 Now, it's absurd. This idea that the Revolution was fought 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:29.479 to somehow preserve slavery is insane. The founding fathers are 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:33.640 amazingly candid about the fact that they knew that slavery 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:36.479 was inconsistent with their principles and that they would have 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:38.800 to do something about it. And I don't know that 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:41.119 there's any precedent for that in world history where you 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.439 have this revolutionary revolutionary cadre that says we're going to 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.719 break with the mother country on the principles of liberty 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:50.720 and equality, and we know that we are currently violating 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:54.119 those principles in a practice that is the foundation stone 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:57.280 of our very economy, and it goes further, Jefferson says, 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.520 just a few years later, he wrote, I tremble for 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:02.560 my country when I reflect that God is just and 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:05.959 his justice cannot sleep forever. There is no attribute of 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:08.639 a just God who could side with whites in a 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:13.800 race war. And so here he's saying, we deserve to 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:17.439 be slaughtered in a race war because of the crime 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:20.800