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Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Speaker 1: On each episode, will discuss the reasons we now know
Speaker 1: that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so
Speaker 1: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Last week,
Speaker 1: on episode twenty, we scratched the surface of something called
Speaker 1: vertical near death experiences, and I'd like to revisit it
Speaker 1: because I've been thinking about it all week. University of
Speaker 1: Virginia says we are particularly interested in studying near death
Speaker 1: experiences that may bear on the question of whether the
Speaker 1: mind can function outside the physical body and whether we
Speaker 1: may survive bodily death. One such type of experience is
Speaker 1: the so called vertical near death experience, in which experiencers
Speaker 1: acquire verifiable information that they could not have obtained by
Speaker 1: any normal means. For example, some experiencers reports seeing events
Speaker 1: going on at some distant location, such as another room
Speaker 1: of the hospital, or an experiencer might meet a deceased
Speaker 1: loved one who then communicates verifiable information the experiencer had
Speaker 1: not known. Other kinds of near death experiences that may
Speaker 1: bear on the mind body question include those in which
Speaker 1: mental functioning seems to be enhanced despite physiological evidence that
Speaker 1: the brain is impaired. The causes of near death experiences
Speaker 1: are complex and not fully known. While many medical and
Speaker 1: psychological explanations have been offered, they remain speculative and often
Speaker 1: fall short of explaining the entire phenomena. The last time
Speaker 1: we were together, there was a fantastic story about a
Speaker 1: woman who had had a near death experience and actually
Speaker 1: saw a tennis shoe a sneaker outside on the railing
Speaker 1: of one of the hospital floors and could describe it perfectly.
Speaker 1: The shoe was found, it existed just the way she
Speaker 1: said it. I also shared with you some examples of
Speaker 1: blind people seeing during near death experiences. Quite fascinating. I
Speaker 1: truly believe we are souls having a human experience, and
Speaker 1: these vertical experiences don't just happen with near death experiences.
Speaker 1: If you've read my book We Don't Die Skeptics Discovery
Speaker 1: of Life after Death, or you've been a long time
Speaker 1: listener to Shades of the Afterlife, I have mentioned the
Speaker 1: term remote viewing. I thought it would be fun to
Speaker 1: do a little remote viewing experiment with you today, to
Speaker 1: play with our soul, to play with our own perception
Speaker 1: and what we can experience. Are you willing to have
Speaker 1: some fun? So on this episode today, we're going to
Speaker 1: do some remote viewing experiments. I also want to tell
Speaker 1: you some stories of these incredible vertical near death experiences,
Speaker 1: and I want to introduce you to a cardiac surgeon.
Speaker 1: I have a recording of him talking to another doctor
Speaker 1: about the phenomenal thing he witnessed in an operating room.
Speaker 1: So let's get started. First of all, on our remote viewing.
Speaker 1: The term remote viewing came from a physicist named Russell Targ.
Speaker 1: He is the author of the book The Reality of ESP,
Speaker 1: a physicists Proof of psychic Abilities. As a boy, Russell
Speaker 1: would just seem to know things about people. He would
Speaker 1: know what their house looked like, what kind of dog
Speaker 1: they had. In time, Russell Targ went on to be
Speaker 1: coming one of the founding fathers of the laser beam,
Speaker 1: but never forgot about this ESP experience that he had.
Speaker 1: He created the Stanford Research Institute. It was all about
Speaker 1: ESP and eventually some of the participants were so good
Speaker 1: they were actually used as psychic spies. But for you
Speaker 1: and me today, it is an experiment of your soul's
Speaker 1: ability to see beyond time and space. And I say
Speaker 1: that because I am a recording this on one date
Speaker 1: and you are listening on another date. So your soul
Speaker 1: will go looking in the past to answer some questions.
Speaker 1: If you are willing to play, if you are willing
Speaker 1: to be wrong, I invite you to listen. There are
Speaker 1: three types of people, and we each predominantly use a
Speaker 1: certain sense. Some of us visual, some of us auditory
Speaker 1: and some of us can esthetic meaning feelings. Our first
Speaker 1: experiment will be identifying the attributes of something that I
Speaker 1: am looking at. Right in front of me. I have
Speaker 1: two laptops in front of me, one doing the recording,
Speaker 1: one with my notes, and in between it I have
Speaker 1: an object. Some things you should know one is don't
Speaker 1: try to figure out what the object is. Rather consider
Speaker 1: what some of the attributes of it. Maybe is it heavy?
Speaker 1: Is it light? Is it tall? Is it short? Does
Speaker 1: it have one color or many colors? Is it one
Speaker 1: object or is it many objects? They say we have
Speaker 1: two parts of our brain, an analytical one and one
Speaker 1: where our imagination is in control. For this experiment, just
Speaker 1: ask that side of your brain that's analytical and trying
Speaker 1: to figure it out to be set aside, and let's
Speaker 1: play with your imagination. Take a second and see how
Speaker 1: your belly feels. That's right, your stomach. You have heard
Speaker 1: of gut intuition, right, You've got a gut feeling, So
Speaker 1: pay attention to that gut right now. And if you
Speaker 1: were to be able to see what I'm looking at
Speaker 1: it on my table, what attributes might be there? If
Speaker 1: you have a piece of paper or want to enter
Speaker 1: this into your notepad on your phone or iPad. Go
Speaker 1: right ahead, don't be concerned with getting it right. Have
Speaker 1: fun with it. When you pay attention to the feelings
Speaker 1: in your belly, what kind of thoughts come to mind?
Speaker 1: All right? Are you ready to move to the next experiment? And?
Speaker 1: Oh yes, at the end of this episode, you bet,
Speaker 1: I will tell you what these three things are. Part
Speaker 1: two of our experiment is using our kinesthetic sense. So
Speaker 1: this is feeling, This is touch, this is smell, this
Speaker 1: is taste. How you feel about an object? How I
Speaker 1: feel about an object? So yes, indeed, I have an
Speaker 1: object in front of me. I will hold it in
Speaker 1: my hand and you use that imagination and if you
Speaker 1: were holding it in your hand. Is it heavy? Is
Speaker 1: it light? Is it big? Is it small? Does it
Speaker 1: have color to it when I hold it to my nose?
Speaker 1: Does it have a smell to it? How does it
Speaker 1: feel in your fingertips? Is it soft? Is it smooth?
Speaker 1: Is it ridged? Is it furry? Does it have sharp points?
Speaker 1: And believe it or not, I'm gonna lick it. I'm crazy,
Speaker 1: but you have to get the sense of it. All Okay,
Speaker 1: is there a taste? What does the taste remind you
Speaker 1: of Okay, you've got some ideas. Again, maybe not figuring
Speaker 1: out what it is, because that will cause your analytical
Speaker 1: side of the brain to kick in. And what does
Speaker 1: that do That makes the soul sense the intuition disappear.
Speaker 1: And now for part three, this is auditory. I am
Speaker 1: going to press the pause button and I'm going to
Speaker 1: sing a little bit of a song. See if you
Speaker 1: can again feel in your belly. It's the best place
Speaker 1: to start to get in touch with your intuition, your
Speaker 1: gut feelings. But see if you can hear in your
Speaker 1: mind's yours what the song is. Yes, I feel like
Speaker 1: a fool sitting and singing in my kitchen, but it's
Speaker 1: all for experiment, right. So again, if you want to
Speaker 1: write a few things down or some feelings that come
Speaker 1: about the song, go ahead and do so. Don't be
Speaker 1: hard on yourself again, when you use that analytical side
Speaker 1: of your brain, it shuts off our soul power. But
Speaker 1: if you're okay being wrong, and if you're okay just
Speaker 1: using your imagination, what might those objects be and that
Speaker 1: song be? So we will answer this question at the
Speaker 1: end of the episode. So it's time for our first break.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the
Speaker 1: Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast
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Speaker 1: irnormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. What I'd like to do in our
Speaker 1: segment now is I want to read to you. An
Speaker 1: article by Kevin Williams published at the end of two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen called people See Verified Events while out of body.
Speaker 1: The scientific method requires all phenomena to be reproducible, provide
Speaker 1: vertical details, example, details which cannot be explained away and
Speaker 1: which are found to be true, and undergo rigorous tests
Speaker 1: to rule out all the known alternative explanations. For a
Speaker 1: theory to be proven as a scientific fact. Using the
Speaker 1: scientific method, near death experiences have been proven to be
Speaker 1: a real scientific phenomena because they are reproducible. Near death
Speaker 1: experiences were first shown to be reproducible during studies involving
Speaker 1: the subject of fighter pilots to extreme gravitational forces in
Speaker 1: a giant centrifuge. But the question is not our near
Speaker 1: death experience is real? Even skeptics now concede that it
Speaker 1: is a real phenomena. The question to ask is our
Speaker 1: near death experiences a phenomena of a person's consciousness being
Speaker 1: outside of their body, and if this is proven to
Speaker 1: be true, the next question is can consciousness survive bodily death?
Speaker 1: This last question likely cannot be proven to the satisfaction
Speaker 1: of the skeptics using near death research alone. The is
Speaker 1: because no matter how you define death, the only kind
Speaker 1: of definition that satisfies the skeptics is irreversible death. Just
Speaker 1: the very nature of the phrase near death experience suggests
Speaker 1: that it is not true death where nobody comes back. However,
Speaker 1: good scientific evidence for survival can be found in other
Speaker 1: realms of research, such as psychic studies, quantum physics, consciousness studies,
Speaker 1: and remote viewing. Not to mention the mountain of circumstantial evidence.
Speaker 1: Next he gets into vertical perception in near death experiences.
Speaker 1: At this point in near death studies, researchers are particularly
Speaker 1: interested in studying those near death experiences that might provide
Speaker 1: an answer to the question of whether the mind can
Speaker 1: function outside a body. This is the first step in
Speaker 1: determining whether consciousness can survive bodily death. One way to
Speaker 1: discover this is to examine those n d e s
Speaker 1: which are vertical, meaning verifiable. Vertical ends occur when the
Speaker 1: experiencer acquires verifiable information which they could not have obtained
Speaker 1: by any normal means. Often, near death experiencers report witnessing
Speaker 1: events that happen at some distant location away from their body,
Speaker 1: such as another room of the hospital. If the events
Speaker 1: witnessed by the experiencer at the distant location can be
Speaker 1: verified to have occurred, then vertical perception would be said
Speaker 1: to have taken place. It would provide very compelling evidence
Speaker 1: that n d ese are experiences outside of the physical body.
Speaker 1: Besides his groundbreaking book Life After Life in Dr Raymond
Speaker 1: Moody is the author of excellent and near death experience
Speaker 1: books such as Reflections, The Light Beyond Reunions, Coming Back,
Speaker 1: The Last Laugh, Life After Loss, paranormal and making sense
Speaker 1: of nonsense. In Life after Life, Moody documents a number
Speaker 1: of vertical near death experiences which will be described here.
Speaker 1: This vertical evidence suggests the possibility that consciousness can exist
Speaker 1: away from the body. In light of such a vertical evidence,
Speaker 1: other and de theories follow by the wayside because they
Speaker 1: cannot account for these vertical details. And although the available
Speaker 1: vertical near death experience evidence does not constitute scientific proof
Speaker 1: of consciousness surviving bodily death, it does qualify as a
Speaker 1: very powerful, circumstantial and anecdotal evidence, the kind of evidence
Speaker 1: that is upheld every day in courts of law around
Speaker 1: many countries. Whether or not there will ever be scientific
Speaker 1: evidence for the survival of consciousness may depend upon science
Speaker 1: itself and how such phenomena as near death experiences can
Speaker 1: be quantified using the strict demands of science. We can
Speaker 1: only conclude, as Dr Raymond Moody does when he had
Speaker 1: this to say, I've been a follower of science all
Speaker 1: of my life, but I also have a pH d
Speaker 1: in philosophy, and it really seems to me that the
Speaker 1: question of life after death is not yet ripe for
Speaker 1: scientific inquiry, because it is not formulatable in a way
Speaker 1: that fit us into the current scientific method. I also
Speaker 1: think it's the most important question. If you think of
Speaker 1: the big questions of existence, this is the biggie. So
Speaker 1: here are some vertical near death experiences from Dr Raymond Moody.
Speaker 1: An elderly woman had been blind since childhood, but during
Speaker 1: her n D the woman had regained her sight and
Speaker 1: she was able to accurately describe the instruments and techniques
Speaker 1: used during the resuscitation of her body. After the woman
Speaker 1: was revived, she reported the details to her doctor. She
Speaker 1: was able to tell her doctor, who came in and
Speaker 1: out of the room, what they said, what they wore,
Speaker 1: what they did, all of which was true. Her doctor
Speaker 1: then referred the woman to Moody, who knew he was
Speaker 1: doing research on near death experiences. In another instance, a
Speaker 1: woman with a heart condition was dying at the same
Speaker 1: time of her sister, and her sister was in a
Speaker 1: diabetic coma in another part of the same hospital. The
Speaker 1: subject reported having a conversation with her sister as both
Speaker 1: of them hovered near the ceiling watching the medical team
Speaker 1: work on her body below. When the woman awoke, she
Speaker 1: told the doctor that her sister had died while her
Speaker 1: own resuscitation was taking place. The doctor denied it, but
Speaker 1: when she insisted, he had a nurse check on it.
Speaker 1: The nurse found that the sister had in fact died
Speaker 1: during the time in question. Here's another example. A dying
Speaker 1: girl left her body and went into another room in
Speaker 1: the hospital, where she found her older sister crying and saying, Oh, Kathy,
Speaker 1: please don't die, Please don't die. The older sister was
Speaker 1: quite baffled when later Cathy told her exactly where she
Speaker 1: had been sitting, what she had been doing, and what
Speaker 1: she had been saying during this time. After it was
Speaker 1: all over, the doctor told me, I had a really
Speaker 1: bad time, and I said, yeah, I know. He said, well,
Speaker 1: how do you know? And I said, I can tell
Speaker 1: you everything that happened. He didn't believe me, so I
Speaker 1: told him the whole story, from the time I stopped
Speaker 1: breathing until the time I was coming around. He was
Speaker 1: really shocked to know that I knew everything that had happened.
Speaker 1: He didn't know quite what to say, but he came
Speaker 1: in several times to ask me things about it. When
Speaker 1: I woke up after the accident, my father was there
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to know what sort of shape
Speaker 1: I was in, or how I was, or how the
Speaker 1: doctor thought I would be. All I wanted to do
Speaker 1: was talk about the experience I had been through. I
Speaker 1: told my father who dragged my body out of the building,
Speaker 1: and even what color clothes of that person had on,
Speaker 1: and how they got me out, and even about all
Speaker 1: the conversation that had been going on in the area.
Speaker 1: And my father said, yes, all of those things are true.
Speaker 1: Yet my physical body was out this whole time, and
Speaker 1: there was no way I could have seen or heard
Speaker 1: these things without being outside of my body. Here's a
Speaker 1: story of a lady named Sarah and told by her doctor.
Speaker 1: Sarah had had cardiac arrest during gall bladder surgery, but
Speaker 1: had been successfully resuscitated. Upon recovery. She had amazed the
Speaker 1: surgery team by reporting a clear detailed memory of or
Speaker 1: layout the scribbles on the surgery schedule board in the
Speaker 1: hall outside, the color of the sheets covering the operating table,
Speaker 1: the hairstyle of the head scrub nurse, and even the
Speaker 1: trivial fact that her anthesiologist that day was wearing unmatched socks.
Speaker 1: All this she knew even though she had been fully
Speaker 1: anesthesized and unconscious during the surgery and the cardiac arrest.
Speaker 1: But what made Sarah's vision even more momentous was the
Speaker 1: fact that since birth she had been blind. I tell
Speaker 1: you those stories of the blind being able to see
Speaker 1: gives me goose bumps and lets us know that our
Speaker 1: consciousness survives. I'm so grateful that you are with me
Speaker 1: today on our experimental day into remote viewing and learning
Speaker 1: about vertical near death experiences. So let's go for the
Speaker 1: break and then we'll be right back, and don't forget
Speaker 1: our three experiments. What is it that I'm looking at
Speaker 1: at the table? What is it that I held in
Speaker 1: my hand even smelled and licked? And what was the
Speaker 1: song I was singing? You're listening to Shades of the
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Speaker 1: This is Afterlife expert Daniel Brakeley, and you're listening to
Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a m
Speaker 1: paranormal podcast network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. We're doing a little remote viewing and
Speaker 1: we're talking about vertical near death experiences. I'd like to
Speaker 1: continue now with some more experiences. This one is about
Speaker 1: Kathy Milne, who is working as a nurse at the Hartford,
Speaker 1: Connecticut Hospital. Cat the had already been interested in near
Speaker 1: death experiences and one day found herself talking to a
Speaker 1: woman who had been resuscitated and who had a near
Speaker 1: death experience. Following a telephone interview with Kenneth Ring, she
Speaker 1: described the following account. She told me how she floated
Speaker 1: up over her body, viewed the resuscitation effort for a
Speaker 1: short time, and then felt herself being pulled up through
Speaker 1: several floors of the hospital. She then found herself above
Speaker 1: the roof and realized she was looking at the skyline
Speaker 1: of Hartford. She marveled at how interesting this view was,
Speaker 1: and out of the corner of her eye she saw
Speaker 1: a red object. It turned out to be a shoe.
Speaker 1: She thought about this shoe, and suddenly she felt sucked
Speaker 1: up as if by a black hole. The rest of
Speaker 1: her near death experience was fairly typical, as I remember,
Speaker 1: I was relating this to a skeptical resident who, in
Speaker 1: a mocking manner left. Apparently he got a janitor to
Speaker 1: get him onto the roof. When I saw him later
Speaker 1: that day, he had the red shoe in his hand
Speaker 1: and became a believer too. Here's another story. In the
Speaker 1: summer of night two, Joyce Harmon, a surgical intensive care
Speaker 1: unit nurse at Hartford Hospital, returned to work after vacation.
Speaker 1: On that vacation, she had purchased a new pair of
Speaker 1: plaid shoelaces, which she happened to be wearing on her
Speaker 1: first day back at the hospital. That day, she didn't
Speaker 1: know that she would be involved in resuscitating a patient,
Speaker 1: a woman she didn't know, giving her medicine. The resuscitation
Speaker 1: was successful, and the next day Joey's Harmon happened to
Speaker 1: see the patient, whereupon they had a conversation, the gist
Speaker 1: of which went, Oh, you're the one with the plaid shoelaces. What,
Speaker 1: Harmon replied. Astonished, she says, she distinctly remembers feeling the
Speaker 1: hair on her neck. Rise I saw them, the woman continued,
Speaker 1: I was watching what was happening yesterday when I died,
Speaker 1: I was up above the room. There is no way
Speaker 1: Harmon remembers that this woman could have seen anything, as
Speaker 1: she had been dead. Here's another case. In the late
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, Sue Saunders was working at Hartford Hospital as
Speaker 1: a respiratory therapist. One day, she was helping to resuscitate
Speaker 1: a sixty ish man in the emergency room whose electro
Speaker 1: cardiogram had gone flat. Medics were shocking him repeatedly with
Speaker 1: no results. Saunders was trying to give him oxygen. In
Speaker 1: the middle of the resuscitation, someone else took over for
Speaker 1: her and she left. A couple of days later, she
Speaker 1: encountered this patient in the I c U. He commented
Speaker 1: to her, you looked so much better in your yellow top.
Speaker 1: She like Harmon, was so shocked at this remark that
Speaker 1: she got goose bumps, for she had been wearing a
Speaker 1: pale yellow smock the previous day. Yeah, the man continued,
Speaker 1: I saw you. You had something over your face and
Speaker 1: you were pushing air into me, and I saw your
Speaker 1: yellow smock. Saunders confirmed that she had had something over
Speaker 1: her face, a mask, and that she had worn the
Speaker 1: yellow smock while trying to give him oxygen while he
Speaker 1: was unconscious and without a heartbeat. Okay, and here's Jack's
Speaker 1: near death experience. At the time this happened, I suffered,
Speaker 1: as I still do, from a very severe case of
Speaker 1: bronchial asthma and emphysema. One day, I got into a
Speaker 1: coughing fit and apparently ruptured a disk in the lower
Speaker 1: part of my spine. For a couple of months, I
Speaker 1: consulted a number of doctors for the agonizing pain, and
Speaker 1: finally one of them referred me to a neurosurgeon, Dr Wyatt.
Speaker 1: He saw me and told me that I needed to
Speaker 1: be admitted to the hospital immediately. So I went on
Speaker 1: in and they put me in traction right away. Dr
Speaker 1: Wyatt knew that I had bad respiratory diseases, and so
Speaker 1: he called a lung specialist, who said that the anthesiologist,
Speaker 1: Dr Coleman should be consulted if I was going to
Speaker 1: be put to sleep. So the lung specialist worked on
Speaker 1: me for almost three weeks until he got me to
Speaker 1: a place where Dr Coleman would put me under. He
Speaker 1: finally consented on a Monday. They scheduled the operation for
Speaker 1: the next Friday. Monday night, I went to sleep and
Speaker 1: had a RESTful sleep until sometime early Tuesday morning, when
Speaker 1: I woke up in severe pain. I turned over and
Speaker 1: tried to get into a more comfortable position, but just
Speaker 1: at that moment, a light appeared in the corner of
Speaker 1: the room, just below the ceiling. It was a ball
Speaker 1: of light, almost like a globe, and it wasn't very large.
Speaker 1: I would say, no more than twelve to fifteen inches
Speaker 1: in diameter. And as this light appeared, a feeling came
Speaker 1: over me. It was a feeling of complete peace and
Speaker 1: utter relaxation. I could see a hand reached down for
Speaker 1: me from the light and said, come with me. I
Speaker 1: want to show you something. So immediately, without hesitation whatsoever,
Speaker 1: I reached up with my hand and grabbed onto the
Speaker 1: hand I saw. As I did, I had the feeling
Speaker 1: of being drawn up and leaving my body, and I
Speaker 1: looked back and saw it lying there on the bed
Speaker 1: while I was going up towards the ceiling of the room. Now,
Speaker 1: at this time, as soon as I left my body,
Speaker 1: I took the same form as the light. I got
Speaker 1: the feeling. And I'll have to use my own words
Speaker 1: for this, because I've never heard anyone talk about anything
Speaker 1: like this, that this form was definitely a spirit. It
Speaker 1: wasn't a body, just a wisp of smoke or vapor.
Speaker 1: It looked almost like the clouds of cigarette smoke you
Speaker 1: can see when they are illuminated as they drift around
Speaker 1: a lamp. The form I took had colors, though, there
Speaker 1: was orange, yellow, and a color that was very indistinct
Speaker 1: to me. I took it to be indigo, a bluish color.
Speaker 1: The spiritual form didn't have a shape like a body.
Speaker 1: It was more or less circular, but it had what
Speaker 1: I would call a hand. I know this because when
Speaker 1: the light reached down for me, I reached up for
Speaker 1: it with my hand. Yet the arm and hand of
Speaker 1: my body just stayed put, because I could see them
Speaker 1: lying on the bed down by the side of my
Speaker 1: body as I rose up to the light. But when
Speaker 1: I wasn't using the spiritual hand, the spirit went back
Speaker 1: to the circular pattern. So I was drawn up in
Speaker 1: the same position the light was in, and we started
Speaker 1: moving through the sea and through the wall of the
Speaker 1: hospital room into the corridor, and through the corridor down
Speaker 1: through the floors, it seemed on down to a lower
Speaker 1: floor in the hospital. We had no difficulty in passing
Speaker 1: through doors or walls. They would just fade away from
Speaker 1: us as we would approach them. During this period, it
Speaker 1: seemed that we were traveling. I knew we were moving,
Speaker 1: yet there was no sensation of speed. And in a moment,
Speaker 1: almost instantaneously, really, I realized that we had reached the
Speaker 1: recovery room of the hospital. Now I hadn't even known
Speaker 1: where the recovery room was at this hospital, but we
Speaker 1: got there, and again we were in the corner of
Speaker 1: the room, near the ceiling, up above everything else. I
Speaker 1: saw the doctors and nurses walking around in their green
Speaker 1: suits and saw the beds that were placed in there.
Speaker 1: This being then told me and showed me that A's
Speaker 1: where you're going to be when they bring you off
Speaker 1: the operating table. They're going to put you in that bed,
Speaker 1: but you will never awaken from that position. You'll know
Speaker 1: nothing after you go into the operating room until I
Speaker 1: come back to get you some time after this. Now
Speaker 1: I won't say this was in words it was like
Speaker 1: an audible voice, because if it had been, I would
Speaker 1: have expected the others in the room to have heard
Speaker 1: the voice, and they didn't. It was more of an
Speaker 1: impression that came to me, but it was in such
Speaker 1: a vivid form that there was no way for me
Speaker 1: to say I didn't hear it or I didn't feel it.
Speaker 1: It was definitely me. So after he told me this,
Speaker 1: he took me back to my hospital room and I
Speaker 1: got back into my body again, still lying in the
Speaker 1: same position as when we left. This whole thing left
Speaker 1: me astounded and took me completely by surprise. But what
Speaker 1: even more astonishing was the next morning. I was not
Speaker 1: the least bit afraid of the surgery. When I shaved,
Speaker 1: I noticed my hand didn't shake like it had been
Speaker 1: doing for six or eight weeks before. Then, the night
Speaker 1: before the surgery, Dr Coleman came in and told me
Speaker 1: he was expecting a lot of trouble with putting me
Speaker 1: to sleep, and not to be surprised to wake up
Speaker 1: and find a lot of wires and tubes and machines
Speaker 1: all connected to me trying to keep me alive. I
Speaker 1: didn't tell him what I had experienced, so I just
Speaker 1: nodded and said I would cooperate the next morning. The
Speaker 1: operation took a long time, and as I was regaining
Speaker 1: my consciousness, Dr Coleman was there with me, and I
Speaker 1: told him I know exactly where I am. He asked,
Speaker 1: where are you. I'm in the recovery room. I'm in
Speaker 1: that first bed on the right, just as you come
Speaker 1: in from the hall. He just kind of laughed, and
Speaker 1: of course he thought I was just talking from the anesthesia.
Speaker 1: I wanted to tell him what had really happened, but
Speaker 1: just in a moment, Doctor Wyatt came in and said,
Speaker 1: he's awake. Now what do you want to do? And
Speaker 1: Doctor Coleman said, there's not a thing I can do.
Speaker 1: I've never been so amazed in my life. Here I
Speaker 1: am with all of this equipment set up, and he
Speaker 1: is fine and doesn't need a thing. Doctor Wyatt said,
Speaker 1: miracles still happen. Miracles definitely do happen. I'm so excited
Speaker 1: about our next segment after the break, going to introduce
Speaker 1: you to a doctor who shares a story of both
Speaker 1: a miracle happening. Well, I guess two miracles happening, but
Speaker 1: one involves one of these vertical near death experiences. This
Speaker 1: doctor witnessed someone dying and being dead for about twenty
Speaker 1: minutes before coming back to life. You're really going to
Speaker 1: enjoy this, so let's take our break and we'll be back.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I
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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, there's more Shades of the Afterlife coming
Speaker 1: right up. You're listening to the I Heart Radio and
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandras Champlain.
Speaker 1: In the segment, Yes, indeed, I will give you the
Speaker 1: details about our remote viewing experiment. Yes, I will reveal
Speaker 1: the items to you, but before that, I want to
Speaker 1: play for you some words by cardiac surgeon Dr Lloyd
Speaker 1: Rudy talking about a patient who came back to life
Speaker 1: after being dead. It's quite a story and quite a
Speaker 1: good affirmation that vertical near death experiences are real and
Speaker 1: that our consciousness survives physical death. Be sure to also
Speaker 1: pay attention to his second story of what the whole
Speaker 1: surgical team felt in a surgery room. I am Dr
Speaker 1: Mike Milligan. I'm here with Dr Lloyd Rudy, one of
Speaker 1: the most famous cardiac surgeons. Dr Rudy, thanks so much
Speaker 1: for being with us. You're welcome. You know, we don't
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to be in the operating room, or
Speaker 1: even most people don't get the opportunity to visit with
Speaker 1: the cardiac surgeon who has had experiences with people near
Speaker 1: death or some who have already been pronounced dead and
Speaker 1: come back. And so that's what we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about here in particular one case and may touch on
Speaker 1: another one. Dr Rudy, why don't you tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit about that. We had a very unfortunate individual
Speaker 1: who on Christmas Day had from an oral infection okay,
Speaker 1: infected his native valve. If your native valve has the
Speaker 1: slightest defect, whether you were born with it or you
Speaker 1: developed it later at calcified little and the alve leaflets
Speaker 1: don't move or whatever, the body recognizes that as something
Speaker 1: abnormal that it's got to take care of, okay. And
Speaker 1: being a dentist, this is very intriguing to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it even fits into our meeting and so on.
Speaker 1: So so that's what happened to this man, and I
Speaker 1: happened to be off for the first Christmas in five years.
Speaker 1: One of my junior partners was on call and he
Speaker 1: had to do an emergency valve resection to try and
Speaker 1: get rid of the nitis of infection that was spreading
Speaker 1: all over into every organ of this man's body. Once
Speaker 1: we were able to accomplish the repair of the aneurism
Speaker 1: and the replacement of the valve, we could not get
Speaker 1: the person off of the bypass. Every time the four
Speaker 1: or five liters of blood that we were pumping around
Speaker 1: his body we were reduced down to two or three.
Speaker 1: He began to weaken in his body, person would go
Speaker 1: down and so on, and make a long story short,
Speaker 1: we simply couldn't get him off the heart luining machine. Finally,
Speaker 1: we just had to give up. I mean, we just said,
Speaker 1: we cannot get him off of the heart lung machine,
Speaker 1: so we're going to have to pronounce him dead. And
Speaker 1: so the anesthesiologists turned his machine off and the bellows
Speaker 1: that were breathing for the patient. The ashesiologists went into
Speaker 1: surgeon's lounge. He hadn't eaten anything all day, so he
Speaker 1: went in to have a sandwich. The nurses, who were
Speaker 1: also starved and tired and stuff left, and the people
Speaker 1: who usually clean up the instruments and all that were
Speaker 1: coming in and taking away all these tools, and my
Speaker 1: surgical assistant closed the patient in a way that a
Speaker 1: post mortem exam could be done, because anyone who who
Speaker 1: succumbs on the table has to, by law, has to
Speaker 1: have an autopsy. The machine that records the blood pressure
Speaker 1: and the pulse and the left at trial pressure, and
Speaker 1: all the monitoring lines and things continued to run the
Speaker 1: paper out onto the floor and a big heat. Nobody
Speaker 1: bothered the turn, and then the assistant surgeon and I
Speaker 1: went in and took our gowns off and gloves and
Speaker 1: masks and things, and came back, and we were in
Speaker 1: our short sleeve shirts, and we were standing at the
Speaker 1: door kind of discussing if there was anything else we
Speaker 1: could have done, any other medicines we could have given
Speaker 1: whatever to have made this a success. And as we
Speaker 1: were standing there had been at least twenty minutes that
Speaker 1: this man recorded no heart be no by pressure. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden we looked up and the surgical assistant
Speaker 1: just finished closing him. We saw some electrical activity, and
Speaker 1: pretty soon the electrical activity turned into a heartbeat. Very
Speaker 1: slow thirty forty a minute. Well, pretty soon we look
Speaker 1: and he's actually generating a pressure. Now we're not doing anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, the machines are all shut off and we're stopped,
Speaker 1: all the medicines and all that. So I start yelling,
Speaker 1: get that as seize back in here, and I get
Speaker 1: the nurses and we started giving him some medicines and
Speaker 1: anesthesia started giving him oxygen, and pretty soon he had
Speaker 1: a blood pressure of eight and pretty soon a bud
Speaker 1: pressure of a hunderd and his heart rate was now
Speaker 1: up to under a minute now and his blood gases
Speaker 1: were fine. He was auction as bud and to make
Speaker 1: a long story short, he recovered and had no neurologic deficit.
Speaker 1: And for the next ten days two weeks, all of
Speaker 1: us went in and we're talking to him about what
Speaker 1: he experienced, if anything, and he talked about the bright
Speaker 1: light at the end of the tunnel, as I recall,
Speaker 1: and so on. But the thing that astounded me was
Speaker 1: that he described that operating room floating around and saying,
Speaker 1: I saw you and Dr Catanio standing in the doorway
Speaker 1: with your arms folded talking. I didn't know where the
Speaker 1: c glogist was, but he came running back in and
Speaker 1: I saw all of these post it's sitting on the
Speaker 1: TV screen and what those were were Any call I got,
Speaker 1: the nurse would write down who called and the phone
Speaker 1: number and stick it on the monitor, and then the
Speaker 1: next post it would stick to that post it, and
Speaker 1: then I demonstrating a post its phone calls I had
Speaker 1: to make. He described that. I mean, there's no way
Speaker 1: he could have described that before the operation because they
Speaker 1: didn't have any call, no right, and and he's sitting
Speaker 1: on any lying on the so he must have been floating.
Speaker 1: He was up there. He described the scene things that
Speaker 1: there is no way he knew. I mean he didn't
Speaker 1: wake up in the operating room and see all this. No,
Speaker 1: I mean he was out and was out for I
Speaker 1: don't know even a day or two while we recovered him.
Speaker 1: And the intensity carrying it. So what is the tell you?
Speaker 1: What does that tell you? I mean these people say
Speaker 1: you lose weight when you die, you lose weight. Something
Speaker 1: something leaves you and you lose weight. They actually weigh
Speaker 1: people who die or on scales and they die and
Speaker 1: they lose weight and other things like that that people describe.
Speaker 1: So was that his soul up there. It's hard to know,
Speaker 1: but atally it certainly brings that possibility into blood. It
Speaker 1: always makes me very emotional. There have been other instances,
Speaker 1: like one other I remember so vividly was a guy
Speaker 1: who was on anti coagulation medicines that keep you from clotting.
Speaker 1: And I don't even remember the operation or whatever, but
Speaker 1: we had to do him right away, and you try
Speaker 1: and reverse that as much as possible, but it's impossible
Speaker 1: to completely do it. And we were in there and
Speaker 1: we'd finished the surgery, and we just simply could not
Speaker 1: stop this person from bleeding. I mean, we pulled out
Speaker 1: every gun in the armory to try and get this, yeah,
Speaker 1: and we finally decided we're not going to be able
Speaker 1: to stop this bleeding. And all of a sudden, nobody
Speaker 1: spoke because everybody in that room felt a presence, and
Speaker 1: I mean the annestiologist and I talked about it afterwards.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was no question there was a presence
Speaker 1: in that room, right, and he stopped bleeding just like that.
Speaker 1: How do you explain that you can't? What? What? What
Speaker 1: is your take on that? Dr Rudy, There's something out
Speaker 1: there that you know, people with faith believers is there
Speaker 1: right there. It's there. Yeah, so I don't. Some people
Speaker 1: call it God, some people call it other things, Buddha
Speaker 1: or Mohammed or whoever. Um. It has convinced me there
Speaker 1: is something out there. Oh yeah, there's something out there.
Speaker 1: That was cardiac surgeon Dr Lloyd Rudy telling that story.
Speaker 1: I want to remind you home basis We Don't Die
Speaker 1: dot com check out so many great things. Now let's
Speaker 1: get the results of our remote viewing experiment. What was
Speaker 1: on the table A big square glass vase filled with
Speaker 1: about eighteen purple tulips, beautiful spring flowers. What was I
Speaker 1: holding in my hand? It would be a lemon, yes,
Speaker 1: And I cut it into four segments. I tasted it,
Speaker 1: I smelled it. It was a lemon. And last, what
Speaker 1: was the song I was singing? Row Row, row your
Speaker 1: boat gently down the stream, merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily. Life
Speaker 1: is but a dream. I hope you've enjoyed this. Let
Speaker 1: me know your results. Email me at Sandra Champlain at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. If you enjoyed remote viewing, check out
Speaker 1: my book We Don't Die, A scow Dick's Discovery of
Speaker 1: Life after Death, or Russell Targ's book Limitless Mind, a
Speaker 1: guide to remote viewing and transformation of consciousness. I'm Sanders Champlaine.
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