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Speaker 1: we get in all of the news. And tonight is
Speaker 1: the follow up show to aw's All in pay per View,
Speaker 1: their version of WrestleMania. This is their version of the
Speaker 1: Raw after WrestleMania. And we have a lot of segments, well,
Speaker 1: we have three segments announced for the show. Two of
Speaker 1: them are victory speeches, and then we've got a We've
Speaker 1: got a match. This is the first of I believe
Speaker 1: six shows. They're doing a Chicago residency, and I want
Speaker 1: to talk about that because a lot of people I've
Speaker 1: seen a lot online, so I want to address the
Speaker 1: Chicago residency, so we'll get into that here today. We
Speaker 1: also have NXT from last night, which was a go
Speaker 1: home show for a TNA pay per view which is
Speaker 1: coming up on Sunday. TNA Slamiversary is Sunday, and the
Speaker 1: main event is an NXT wrestler defending the TNA title
Speaker 1: in the main event of a TNA pay per view
Speaker 1: against two TNA wrestlers, so we'll tell you about that.
Speaker 1: There's also a NXT versus TNA Women's title versus Women's
Speaker 1: title match where someone's ending up with both of the belts,
Speaker 1: so that's interesting. And then of course we got all
Speaker 1: of the news, including more on Seth Rawlins and Adam
Speaker 1: Cole and Roman Reigns and Tony Kahn did a big
Speaker 1: interview talking about a lot of different topics. Goldberg not
Speaker 1: happy about everything involving his retirement match, really finds out
Speaker 1: about what's going on with Seth, and then Jelly Roll
Speaker 1: and Suri is getting ready to get surgery. A lot
Speaker 1: of stuff to get into here today, so we'll kick
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Speaker 1: Back of the show, Brian Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Alive.
Speaker 1: Filthy Tom Lawler is joining us here today. What's going
Speaker 1: on Filthy?
Speaker 3: Not too much? Packed week as always never ends wrestling
Speaker 3: last weekend. Huge week of fight sports for me this weekend.
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, what's going on this weekend?
Speaker 3: Dustin Poitier's retirement fight for the BMF title against Max
Speaker 3: Holloway UFC three eighteen, Alexander Usik defends the World heavyweight
Speaker 3: the undisputed World heavy eight title in boxing against Daniel
Speaker 3: du Bois and Manny Paciao also fights Saturday. There's a
Speaker 3: big KSWMMA event in Poland, and like I said, just
Speaker 3: keeps going, never ends, which hey, I'm cool with it.
Speaker 3: Nagoyo Sumo bas show is going on right now. Turkish
Speaker 3: Oil Wrestling three times a week? Can't get enough?
Speaker 1: Is there really three times a week for this Turkish
Speaker 1: oil wrestling.
Speaker 3: Brother there were like fifty Vaspelavan's head wrestlers going at
Speaker 3: it today in the ninety five degree heat in Turkey.
Speaker 1: Three times a week is as many shows as WWE's running.
Speaker 1: Is there like a Ross SmackDown or an NXT of
Speaker 1: Turkish Oil Wrestling?
Speaker 3: No, it's largely the same guys.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a lot of oily wrestling. Well, listen, Tonight
Speaker 1: is dynamited as the follow up to the to the
Speaker 1: All In Show, and I'm pumped. Hey, it looks like
Speaker 1: we got we got a hangman. Page is gonna open
Speaker 1: the show with a victory speech. You've got a victory
Speaker 1: speech from Tony Storm coming up and then man, this,
Speaker 1: I thought for sure this John Moxley was gonna take
Speaker 1: some time off, but nope, John Moxley, Claudio, and Wheeler
Speaker 1: are gonna be facing Hangman Hobbes and Mark Brisco. So
Speaker 1: we're just barreling on through to see what's next. And
Speaker 1: they are the first of I believe six shows. It
Speaker 1: is a Chicago residency. And you know, I got a
Speaker 1: tweet today which I want to read here because I
Speaker 1: don't respond to these on Twitter at least, but I
Speaker 1: want to respond to it here because it's kind of funny.
Speaker 1: S guy here goes, wonder what WBD shareholders are thinking?
Speaker 1: Did they pay a hundred eighty million you see a
Speaker 1: wrestling by a studio show producing a ballroom? Imagine if
Speaker 1: WWE took the Netflix money and produce shows from the PC.
Speaker 1: Gotta be something with this, Okay, So first off, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure the WBD shareholders are not gravely concern with
Speaker 1: where AW is running tonight. And second, do you realize
Speaker 1: what like you're a shareholder of some things, aren't you, Tom?
Speaker 3: I am okay shareholder in TKO over the tkoh in fact, yeah,
Speaker 3: so so like if you're a shareholder in TKO like,
Speaker 3: what is your concern where raw runs, or is your
Speaker 3: concern about whether or not TKO makes money, because then you,
Speaker 3: as a shareholder, make money. My concern is with them
Speaker 3: making money. If you're also in this situation, if you're WBD, right,
Speaker 3: your concern is the television ratings and getting advertisements. It's
Speaker 3: not necessarily how many people are in that arena. Sure,
Speaker 3: it's better to have more people, But if there's two
Speaker 3: thousand people and it's packed and it looks great on
Speaker 3: TV and it brings in more viewers, more advertisers, that's
Speaker 3: better than having, you know, five thousand people in a
Speaker 3: worse atmosphere that doesn't pay off.
Speaker 1: Now, I will say that it is. It is. It
Speaker 1: is somewhat concerning that they are running a eleven hundred
Speaker 1: c building that isn't sold out yet for the first
Speaker 1: show after all in, that is mildly concerning. You know,
Speaker 1: you should have sold that thing out like instantly. This
Speaker 1: is the all in post show. But the actual building
Speaker 1: itself is like, I mean, that's an incredible looking building.
Speaker 1: I don't know how anybody could like listen, we saw
Speaker 1: when AW was running large buildings and there was nobody there. Okay,
Speaker 1: we watched that. Okay, then they started moving to smaller
Speaker 1: buildings like cool, unique buildings, and yeah, there's less people
Speaker 1: in the buildings, but dude, it looks way better on television.
Speaker 1: The crowds are way better on television. Like, I can't
Speaker 1: see how you can see this as a negative other
Speaker 1: than well, if you're if you're running an eleven hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy seat building, you shouldn't have only eleven hundred
Speaker 1: tickets sold like it should be sold out. Other than that,
Speaker 1: I see no issue whatsoever with running smaller, cool looking buildings,
Speaker 1: packing them and having like a cool react, a cool
Speaker 1: reacting Brian.
Speaker 3: I can almost guarantee you one of the talking points
Speaker 3: after this show tonight is going to be how awesome
Speaker 3: this place looks this Byline Bank Aragon Ballroom. Dude, it
Speaker 3: looks like nothing else you see on TV wrestling, any
Speaker 3: sporting event really. I mean, we watched guys fight in
Speaker 3: Spain and like you know, out in the street and
Speaker 3: like Colisseum area and that's pretty wild, But you don't
Speaker 3: see that on WWE. It's the same thing over and over.
Speaker 3: It's the same homogenized product, no matter what arena they're in.
Speaker 3: It looks the same and aw separating themselves by running
Speaker 3: at these cool places is a great idea. I'm telling you.
Speaker 3: People are gonna see the show. They're gonna be like,
Speaker 3: we need more venues like this.
Speaker 1: All right, Well we've also got Well we'll talk about
Speaker 1: NXT later on tonight, which, by the way, also is
Speaker 1: in a small building every Tuesday. I've never heard concern
Speaker 1: from shareholders about the small building they run NXT in
Speaker 1: every week.
Speaker 3: No, you would hear concerned, Brian if they were out
Speaker 3: on the road and there'd be nobody in the crowd.
Speaker 1: Well, sure of course that would be that would be
Speaker 1: a big concern.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: So seth Rawlins guest hosted The Rich Eisen Show this afternoon,
Speaker 1: and he had an update on his knee. Are you
Speaker 1: ready for this?
Speaker 3: Did he?
Speaker 1: He said, I was in Birmingham, Alabama, on Monday, but
Speaker 1: there was too much swelling in my knee, and so
Speaker 1: in a week or two i'll be reevaluated in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Hope to have a clearer picture, but I think I'll
Speaker 1: be on the shelf for an extended period of time. Okay,
Speaker 1: I still I still will go with the idea that
Speaker 1: his knee is not great, okay, like he's maybe something
Speaker 1: needs to be scoped out whatever, Okay, But I am
Speaker 1: now firmly of the opinion still that what happened on
Speaker 1: Saturday Night's main event was a work and that they
Speaker 1: essentially lied to everybody and are still lying to people,
Speaker 1: and that the whole reason and somebody like yesterday were like, well,
Speaker 1: what was even the point of this work? Why was
Speaker 1: this even done? What was the point? Well, the point
Speaker 1: is because this story is going to be, and literally
Speaker 1: he said it here in this interview, the story is
Speaker 1: going to be that because he was injured injured on
Speaker 1: Saturday Night's main event, he will be out an extended
Speaker 1: period of time, and in fact, he will be back
Speaker 1: sooner than everybody expects to do a cash in now,
Speaker 1: because I think this has kind of gotten out. I
Speaker 1: don't actually think that he's going to cash in its SummerSlam,
Speaker 1: because my presumption is everybody now figures, well, you know,
Speaker 1: they're gonna say he's out for a long time, but
Speaker 1: he's going to cash in it, Solam. That now seems
Speaker 1: too obvious to me. So I'm thinking that the cash
Speaker 1: in will be maybe shortly after Summer Slam, and not
Speaker 1: on summer slam itself. But we'll see. You know, you
Speaker 1: mentioned Tom that this was the same knee that he
Speaker 1: had injured before, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe it was the same one when he
Speaker 3: remember he came off the top with like a power
Speaker 3: bomb attempt on Cain, I believe of all people years ago.
Speaker 1: By the point is like he he explained very much
Speaker 1: what happened to him at Saturday Night's the main event.
Speaker 1: He he heard his knee buckle and pop and then
Speaker 1: he went down. And I mean the point of this
Speaker 1: is he is he has legitimately seriously injured his knee before,
Speaker 1: so he knows what it feels like, he knows the symptoms,
Speaker 1: he knows the post uh you know, the post injury
Speaker 1: swelling and everything. We can confidently talk as if he
Speaker 1: injured himself seriously this time. But I think I think
Speaker 1: what I can say is because hey, listen, I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not i'm not a doctor, i'm not i'm not analyzing,
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, in there looking at his actual
Speaker 1: knee and looking at MRI results or whatever. But I
Speaker 1: will say I would bet you dollars to donuts he
Speaker 1: cashes in long before nine months to a year I
Speaker 1: think that's abundantly clear by what's going on here. I'll
Speaker 1: just leave it at that. We're gonna do a break
Speaker 1: back in a mom with more news, and then we'll
Speaker 1: do the NXT reports. Observer Live.
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Speaker 1: Back of the show, Brian Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Filthy Tom is joining us, and yes, there is no
Speaker 1: After Dark Radio today. It's a replay. But as Tom
Speaker 1: noted during the break there is there is paranormal news
Speaker 1: out there. Dan Rivera, a paranormal investigator, died unexpectedly during
Speaker 1: the Annabelle the Doll tour and I believe that Old
Speaker 1: Dom brought this to my attention as well. You saw
Speaker 1: this today.
Speaker 3: Dom.
Speaker 1: It's all over the news, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fifty four year old he's here somewhere, Tom, isn't
Speaker 3: there fifty four year old Dan Rivera. Yes, the New
Speaker 3: England Paranormal group there. I mean, looks like he was
Speaker 3: in good health before this unexpected passing.
Speaker 1: So police really found nothing unusual at the scene, I mean,
Speaker 1: aside from a guy dying and nothing unusual doll at
Speaker 1: the scene. So Annabelle the doll was a doll it
Speaker 1: was given to ed Lorraine Warren that was claimed to
Speaker 1: be haunted by like a six year old girl, and
Speaker 1: so they put it in their little paranormal museum and
Speaker 1: then they were like stories that, you know, the doll
Speaker 1: had caused people to bleed and everything like that, and
Speaker 1: so they woul end up going on. They were taking
Speaker 1: the doll on a tour and the doll allegedly vanished,
Speaker 1: but it turned out it was a It hadn't vanished,
Speaker 1: it wasn't actually missing.
Speaker 3: It was viral marketing.
Speaker 1: It was viral marketing. Basically the doll had escaped or whatever.
Speaker 1: But now this paranormal investigator on tour with the doll
Speaker 1: has died. So now this is I mean, this is
Speaker 1: everywhere USA Today, The New York Post, the Today's Show,
Speaker 1: news Week, I mean, Eonline, everybody is talking about this story.
Speaker 1: But yeah, haunted dolls. Haunted dolls like one of those things.
Speaker 1: You know, you probably will disagree with this, Tom because
Speaker 1: you know you're normal, but haunted dolls are one of
Speaker 1: those things where like, I don't believe in haunted dolls
Speaker 1: at all. However, if there were a haunted doll in
Speaker 1: my presence, I would be on my best behavior because
Speaker 1: it's like the old saying, like you don't believe it,
Speaker 1: but just in case, you know what I'm saying, just
Speaker 1: in case, you know, don't mess with those haunted dolls.
Speaker 3: I'm certainly not going to tempt Anna Belle with putting
Speaker 3: my fate in her hands. So keep me away, all right?
Speaker 1: We had back to actual wrestling news.
Speaker 3: Well can I get it? Can I get in this story?
Speaker 3: Because this one's equally as bizarre? What's that to me?
Speaker 1: Do not about Connor No?
Speaker 3: Last month KFC, one of My Guilty Pleasures, announced that
Speaker 3: they had released their bantamweight champion, and today it came
Speaker 3: out that the reason why is because, according to mm
Speaker 3: A Mania, I believe this is Alex Bouhennon. According to
Speaker 3: video that was obtained, there was a verbal altercation between
Speaker 3: Alberto Bloss, who was the champion, and Joel Romero, an
Speaker 3: American top team. This argument escalated moved to the parking
Speaker 3: lot where Blass allegedly attempted to strike Romero with his car.
Speaker 3: After missing him twice, he exited the vehicle retrieved a
Speaker 3: sword from his trunk, excuse me, and struck Romero twice
Speaker 3: in the arm in hand, so he dropped him with
Speaker 3: his sword. Correct. Romero was hospitalized. He attended all the
Speaker 3: court dates, did not test to fy and bloss ultimately
Speaker 3: acquitted by a jury on all He.
Speaker 1: Was acquitted of sword stabbing.
Speaker 3: Ultimately acquitted by a jury on all charges dating back.
Speaker 3: It was a jury December twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: My god, when did this allegedly happen?
Speaker 3: I believe December twenty twenty four or okay filed They
Speaker 3: filed twenty twenty two, so.
Speaker 1: Nobody had There were no witnesses, nobody had videos.
Speaker 3: Urol Romero fought multiple times in twenty twenty two. He
Speaker 3: kept it to himself. Wild what a story?
Speaker 1: How about that? Don't mess with a guy with his sword.
Speaker 1: It's it's a more effective weapon than a car.
Speaker 3: Oh hey, maybe maybe Yowell had a paint pen.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 1: Tony Kahan was on the Good Karma Wrestling podcast and
Speaker 1: he had a couple of things to say. It was
Speaker 1: asked about Adam Cole and he said he disagreed with
Speaker 1: Adam Cole saying in his all in promo that he
Speaker 1: let people down He said if Cole could have been
Speaker 1: out there, he would have been. He made the call
Speaker 1: early Saturday after the Ring of Honor Supercart of Honor
Speaker 1: show wrapped. It was a hard conversation, but he was
Speaker 1: glad Cole was honest with him, even though we are
Speaker 1: all sad we don't get to see Adam Cole wrestle
Speaker 1: for a while. Hopefully he will be able to return
Speaker 1: in some capacity, but definitely he needs time off. After
Speaker 1: talking to him, he was asked about all In. He
Speaker 1: said it was the best week ever on Amazon Prime
Speaker 1: due to a ten dollars Prime Video credit promotion they ran.
Speaker 1: He only has digital buys, which he said were through
Speaker 1: the roof, and he expects cable and satellite numbers of
Speaker 1: all I actually expect that all In did like a
Speaker 1: really good number. I think it probably it may have
Speaker 1: even done the best number they've done all year, because
Speaker 1: they really did do a good job building it up
Speaker 1: as like their WrestleMania. And this will be the end
Speaker 1: of this death writer's Hangman story line. He was asked
Speaker 1: about Michael Oku, friend of the show. Michael Oku. He
Speaker 1: was on Supercar to Honor against Etchi Sero, and he said,
Speaker 1: we will have Michael Oku back very soon, and then
Speaker 1: he plugged Forbidden Door in London. Aw's going to be
Speaker 1: in Glasgo, Scotland for the go Home edition of Dynamite Collision,
Speaker 1: so he might be part of that as well. And
Speaker 1: he also said that he attributed the resurgence, the creative
Speaker 1: resurgence in twenty twenty five to taking less of a
Speaker 1: quote committee of play callers approach and now he's more
Speaker 1: hands on as a play caller. So basically, you know,
Speaker 1: every time there's something that people like or don't like
Speaker 1: in AW, I always say the same thing. If you
Speaker 1: like it, it's Tony. If you don't like it, it's Tony.
Speaker 1: Does a person like Mercedes have some influence or a
Speaker 1: Moxley or a Jericho or you know somebody like that, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course they have some influence. But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, if you like it, it's Tony Khan.
Speaker 1: If you don't like it, it's not Tony Khan. Now
Speaker 1: that's not to say that he is one hundred percent
Speaker 1: responsible for everything, because guys approach him with ideas all
Speaker 1: the time, and guys will argue his ideas and sometimes
Speaker 1: he will say, okay, you know what we'll do it
Speaker 1: your way. But still that's his call. So at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, if you like something in AW,
Speaker 1: it is Tony, and if you do not like something,
Speaker 1: it is also Tony, and then you can go into
Speaker 1: semantics from there. But that is that.
Speaker 3: Brian. Do you think that this pay per view broke
Speaker 3: two hundred thousand?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. No, I would bet. I would bet.
Speaker 1: I think normally they're doing in like the one thirty range,
Speaker 1: so I could see this one doing one fifty five,
Speaker 1: one sixty something like that. I don't I would be
Speaker 1: surprised at two hundred.
Speaker 3: I mean, all in twenty twenty four did a year
Speaker 3: ago did one hundred and seventy thousand?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so we're very different, dude. We're still down.
Speaker 1: I mean, even though like there's been a resurgence of AW.
Speaker 1: I mean if you look at year over year, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're still down a lot, especially in eighteen to forty nine,
Speaker 1: eighteen to thirty four. So they may hit one seventy one,
Speaker 1: seventy five, but I would still be very surprised by
Speaker 1: two hundred. I'm not gonna say it's impossible, obviously, but
Speaker 1: I would be pretty surprised. Goldberg, Uh, he's got some
Speaker 1: stuff to say.
Speaker 3: Well, we gotta wait two weeks.
Speaker 1: He says, he will have more to say in two weeks,
Speaker 1: and Ariel asked if he had signed an NDA that
Speaker 1: expired in two weeks, and he responded, yeah, let's just
Speaker 1: say that. So what does that mean?
Speaker 3: Did you see his comments about obviously? So did his
Speaker 3: comment about taking the chop from Walter or gun.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read some right here, he said he was.
Speaker 1: He said he was pissed off with many aspects of
Speaker 1: his final run. He mentioned not being happy his final
Speaker 1: match was on live television rather than a pl where
Speaker 1: he could have more control over his time. He said, Ultimately,
Speaker 1: to have a little more control over the time and
Speaker 1: the space would have been preferred. Let's just put it
Speaker 1: that way. But to be given the opportunity on such
Speaker 1: a special show with the leaders of the show, to
Speaker 1: be able to go up against the world heavyweight champion
Speaker 1: and Gunther again, it was an honor and a privilege
Speaker 1: to be given that opportunity. I had to make the
Speaker 1: most of it, he said. They cut me off after
Speaker 1: freaking twenty seconds with a microphone in my hand. For
Speaker 1: God's sake, I have two weeks where I can really
Speaker 1: spill the beans and make my feelings known about the
Speaker 1: entire rundown, from the inception of the idea to his delivery.
Speaker 1: It was a little lesson to be desired. But again,
Speaker 1: not gonna complain as he's complaining, because not many people
Speaker 1: get that opportunity. He praised Gunther. He said it was awesome.
Speaker 1: I had a good time. I was laughing. I actually
Speaker 1: had fun. He said. There were moments in the match
Speaker 1: where actually enjoyed myself, and I can't say I've done
Speaker 1: that very many times. He said, I would have loved
Speaker 1: for them announce in January, have a build to it,
Speaker 1: do something I thought was worthy of my career. But
Speaker 1: let's just say they chose to do it with three weeks.
Speaker 1: Notice it's part of the meal you get dealt. I
Speaker 1: think it's more of the hand you get dealt. But anyway,
Speaker 1: he says it was a shame. Let's see if he's
Speaker 1: got the thing about the chops. He did say he
Speaker 1: laughed about the chops. I think he said that he
Speaker 1: thought they would be harder, and so he.
Speaker 3: Laughed and he didn't mean to. He broke character. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he apologized for breaking If you watch it's he's in
Speaker 3: character the whole time. Yeah.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: The thing with chops I think I talked about this
Speaker 1: here on the show is you know people are always like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I'd love to see Brian against Gunther just
Speaker 1: getting chopped, like it's like the worst thing that could
Speaker 1: happen to me, or they'll go, who was it. I
Speaker 1: feel like somebody just mentioned this the other day. They
Speaker 1: were like, you know, the one thing I just wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to take in a match as a chop, like
Speaker 1: chops have been built up is this thing that's like
Speaker 1: so scary and violent and dangerous and like the worst
Speaker 1: thing that can happen to you. And it's like, bro,
Speaker 1: I'd take chops like, I mean, dude, they're not that bad.
Speaker 1: I mean, Gunthers are I think, stiffer than most. But
Speaker 1: you're just getting chopped. I mean, there's a lot I
Speaker 1: wouldn't take before I, you know, say no to chops
Speaker 1: back in a moment Observerlive.
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Life with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 1: My connection is a little bit weird here, so if
Speaker 1: I disappear, Tom's gonna take over and talk about jelly
Speaker 1: roll and NXT. Oh god, hey, No, Dom had a
Speaker 1: good question during the break. You want to ask that
Speaker 1: question here? Tom?
Speaker 8: All right, Yeah, you talked about there's a lot of
Speaker 8: moves you wouldn't take and chops were fine. So I'll
Speaker 8: ask both of you. Was there a move that you
Speaker 8: both enjoyed taking, whether it was the setup or the
Speaker 8: process of doing it.
Speaker 1: Tom doesn't want to answer because he's a coward.
Speaker 3: No I said I was gonna answer.
Speaker 1: You said you weren't gonna answer.
Speaker 3: You don't pay attention.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, well no could I dropped all right, here's mine. Okay.
Speaker 1: I liked any move where I could either take my
Speaker 1: own bump or there was no impact. Those are all
Speaker 1: great submissions. There's no submission. That's a problem. Backbreaker, the
Speaker 1: old shoulder breaker, all that kind of stuff, like there's
Speaker 1: no impact. It's all, well, it's all you know, it's easy.
Speaker 1: I uh, the move I liked taking that involved an impact.
Speaker 1: I loved taking backdrops, but you're taking your own bump.
Speaker 1: You know, the guy starts to lift and you push
Speaker 1: off him and you I loved taking high backdrops, but
Speaker 1: I hated power bombs or Alabama slam or you know,
Speaker 1: moves where the other guy has to make sure that
Speaker 1: they put you down right and if they don't, you
Speaker 1: land poorly. So those were the moves that I hated.
Speaker 1: But you know, I didn't mind getting shopped. I didn't
Speaker 1: mind getting like clobbered with a forearm in the back.
Speaker 1: I didn't mind getting, you know, super kicked by a
Speaker 1: guy that knew what he was doing.
Speaker 3: Or what about the old stump puller?
Speaker 1: Actually, dude, god, you're an idiot. Hey. By the way,
Speaker 1: remember that match we had where you'd gave me the
Speaker 1: stump puller. Yeah, okay, so not one time did I
Speaker 1: say I'm not sure about the chops. Not one time.
Speaker 1: I didn't even question it. Did question was when you
Speaker 1: wanted to give me that what was it, the kudo
Speaker 1: driver or whatever. I don't even remember that tombstone thing
Speaker 1: that you do. Oh, a Tensen driver, a Tenson drive,
Speaker 1: tens on tombstone driver. Yeah, I wasn't so sure about
Speaker 1: that one easiest move you could take. Uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: was not so sure about that one. But uh but
Speaker 1: yeah that stumpler. Guys, go back and watch when Tom
Speaker 1: puts me in the stump puller like you are the
Speaker 1: worst wrestler. Dude. You sat over me and like you
Speaker 1: pulled my stump for this the normal stump poler, And
Speaker 1: then I guess you figured, oh, this guy seems flexible,
Speaker 1: and so you rolled all the way to her back.
Speaker 1: I'm doing the splits in this move. I'm doing the splits.
Speaker 1: You almost killed me this guy.
Speaker 3: This guy just accused me of being a bad pro
Speaker 3: wrestler because I make fans exactly what they wanted to see. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the killing your a poet, go there to see behold
Speaker 3: your legs, God in a comfort position.
Speaker 1: I want to still frame of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's stump right off the stump.
Speaker 1: I have a still frame of that stump puller and like,
Speaker 1: if you watched it, you'd vomit. And what you did
Speaker 1: to me in that match.
Speaker 3: God, you want to know Dom, since you asked, I
Speaker 3: want to know what moves do you like? What move
Speaker 3: do I like? Giving and taking? My favorite? The superplex,
Speaker 3: the good old vertical style suplex superplex. I love it.
Speaker 3: I love that feeling of floating through the air. You know,
Speaker 3: usually I'm wrestling people that aren't you know, they're professionals,
Speaker 3: so we could pull it off properly and no one's
Speaker 3: getting hurt. There's very few things I enjoy in that
Speaker 3: ring more than going up there, having the guy hook
Speaker 3: me and then none, we're gonna go on three? You ready,
Speaker 3: let's go? Oh? Never so funny alive is is?
Speaker 1: Uh? It was probably twenty eighteen or whatever I had
Speaker 1: that match with jungle Boy, and he wanted to do
Speaker 1: something off the top rope, and I can't remember what
Speaker 1: it was, but I'm pretty sure I said, how about
Speaker 1: we do a superplex instead? So I don't know if
Speaker 1: maybe you want to do like some tombstone or something
Speaker 1: that I wasn't sure about, so I was like, let's
Speaker 1: just do a superplex instead. So I hadn't had a
Speaker 1: lot of matches when I came back for that one,
Speaker 1: and and I remember we're like doing the match or whatever,
Speaker 1: and then you know, I climb up to the top
Speaker 1: rope and he's gonna do the run up the ropes
Speaker 1: into the big superplex, and I remember I got to
Speaker 1: the top and this dude starts. I mean, he's running
Speaker 1: at me fast to run up these ropes and super
Speaker 1: kick me. And I briefly had that thought.
Speaker 7: Like.
Speaker 1: What did I just agree to do? Like it's a
Speaker 1: long way down, and dude he runs up and he
Speaker 1: grabs me and he lifts me, and I'm way up
Speaker 1: in the air, upside down and I'm old and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm just.
Speaker 3: Like I was.
Speaker 1: I was sure I was gonna die. And man, we
Speaker 1: hit that mat and it was nothing. It was exactly
Speaker 1: like you described. It was like it was so much
Speaker 1: fun to just float through the air and then I
Speaker 1: was expecting doom and it was like, woo, that was it.
Speaker 1: It was great. So yeah, Superplex is fun as long
Speaker 1: as you land right. Should we talk about NXT hey?
Speaker 3: It was I enjoyed some of this stuff.
Speaker 1: Lance is mad that I flinched when he threw a
Speaker 1: superkick at me. Well, yeah, Lance, I mean I didn't
Speaker 1: work with Lance storms my entire career. You many guys
Speaker 1: kicked me in the face on that move. Of course
Speaker 1: I'm gonna flinch, all right. Yeah, this was a There
Speaker 1: was one thing. I'll put it this way. The show
Speaker 1: was much better than last week. It wasn't like the
Speaker 1: best show I've ever seen, but there was one thing
Speaker 1: on this show that, like everyone in the world should
Speaker 1: probably go back and watch because it was so awesome.
Speaker 1: So we got a fatal influence opening segment, No Blake
Speaker 1: Monroe and Masha Slamovich comes out and a bunch of
Speaker 1: women get in an argument everything. It sets up a
Speaker 1: thing for the main event six person for later, and
Speaker 1: it was it was fine. Then we had Dark State
Speaker 1: against the first half hour this show sucked Dark State
Speaker 1: against Trick Williams, Mike Santana, and Joe Hendry. So I
Speaker 1: don't know how long they went. It wasn't that long.
Speaker 1: But all of a sudden, Trick starts yelling at Joe
Speaker 1: and Santana, so they punch him and then they throw
Speaker 1: Dark State, all four of them into the ring in
Speaker 1: a three on three match. They suddenly realize there's four
Speaker 1: of us, and there's two of us and four of them.
Speaker 1: But then out comes the System from and we just
Speaker 1: have a wild brawl for the DQ. I was like, what,
Speaker 1: So that was stupid. It settled absolutely nothing, and it
Speaker 1: was a terrible finish. So then we had Kellie Armstrong
Speaker 1: who's the Evolved Women's Champion, and Carmen Petrovitch for the
Speaker 1: Evolved Women's title. I swear to god, they go thirty
Speaker 1: seconds in a title match and Jordan Grace hits the
Speaker 1: ring and attacks Kelly for the DQ.
Speaker 3: They may have gone a minute because Kellie Armstrong, while
Speaker 3: she was in there a very short amount of time,
Speaker 3: may have thrown the best punches I've seen in current WWE.
Speaker 3: She rifled them off at Carmen Petrovick. I was so
Speaker 3: so impressed.
Speaker 1: Maybe she just punched her in the face. I mean
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of that here in NXT of late.
Speaker 1: So then uh, mister Stone Stevie Turner came out and
Speaker 1: Blake appeared on the big screen and uh, she said,
Speaker 1: next week, Jordan, you're invited to sit front row for
Speaker 1: my NXT singles debut. So that's coming up.
Speaker 3: She said Jordan wasn't fit to hold her slippers.
Speaker 1: Cool. What So then we had Team Undertaker backstage and
Speaker 1: Trick Williams shows up a trash talk some which leads
Speaker 1: to the announcement the next week Undertaker is going to
Speaker 1: be on this show to confront Trick Williams. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: And then we had the best thing on the show.
Speaker 1: It's Tony D, Luca Crucifino, and Stax.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So to build up to this match, at the top
Speaker 1: of the hour, before every commercial break, they had like
Speaker 1: recaps of the storyline of Tony D's family. They did
Speaker 1: a very good job building this up. The only thing
Speaker 1: that was weird is I could have sworn Rizzo said
Speaker 1: I'll be there next week, and she was nowhere to
Speaker 1: be seen anywhere here on this show. So I hope
Speaker 1: that's not bad news for Rizzo. But anyway, they do
Speaker 1: this match and it's just like a three way like
Speaker 1: it's fine, but dude, the last minute of this match,
Speaker 1: it's like so awesome. So you know, Tony's selling doing whatever,
Speaker 1: and Stax is getting heat on both these geeks. And
Speaker 1: so finally at the end of the show, Stax goes
Speaker 1: for his crowbar, Luca stops him, he throws him outsideither
Speaker 1: having this brawl or whatever. So Stax gets the crowbar
Speaker 1: and he misses a swing on Luca. So as he
Speaker 1: misses this swing, Tony d flies in out of nowhere
Speaker 1: and he spears stacks all the way through the wall.
Speaker 1: Place goes wild. So every time Goldberger whoever does a
Speaker 1: spear and puts somebody through a wall, they always sell
Speaker 1: it like both guys are dead. So Tony he spears
Speaker 1: this guy through the wall. The ringing now like the
Speaker 1: announcer like, oh my god, get somebody out here. These
Speaker 1: guys are hurt. So like five seconds passes and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Stax flies out through the hole again
Speaker 1: belly first, he's dead. And then Tony boom, he powers
Speaker 1: his way through the wall like he's the Shockmaster, but
Speaker 1: he doesn't fall down. He was like the kool aid Man, dude,
Speaker 1: this place goes wild. So then the kool aid Man
Speaker 1: goes over. They're already going wild. He grabs Luca and
Speaker 1: he gives him his big choke slam finish. The whole
Speaker 1: announced table just explodes. Now the people are going wild.
Speaker 1: He grabs Stacks, throws him in the ring, picks him up, Boom,
Speaker 1: choke slams. This guy swams him whatever.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my.
Speaker 1: God, this place is going wild. Like it was so
Speaker 1: good that I almost thought, is this guy beaten trick
Speaker 1: for the title? Because this is what you do to
Speaker 1: make guy all of a sudden the top guy in
Speaker 1: the entire promotion. I mean, it was the best one
Speaker 1: minute of just rampant destruction that I have seen in forever.
Speaker 1: And he gets his pin and this place is going wild,
Speaker 1: and he leaves and he looks back and he sees
Speaker 1: his hat on the ring post, but he walks away
Speaker 1: from it. So I think they're like repackaging. Tony d
Speaker 1: is like just like the baddest dude in the world,
Speaker 1: because that's how he came off at the end of
Speaker 1: this segment. It was awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sad to see the family go But what a
Speaker 3: way to go out? How asome Tony dB and we
Speaker 3: haven't seen this type of domination since Roman Reigns was
Speaker 3: stacking people.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, gord Wood and Pin both of them at
Speaker 1: the same time. I mean, yeah, this was I mean,
Speaker 1: this was so perfectly done.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was expecting, like after he hit that the one
Speaker 3: on Crucifino through the table, I'm expecting like just something
Speaker 3: else to happen, and it was like, Nope, this guy
Speaker 3: will put a stamp on this. He is throwing these
Speaker 3: guys into the ocean with concrete on their feet.
Speaker 1: Yes, tall, Like if I found out tomorrow, I don't
Speaker 1: like to see when get fired, but like if I
Speaker 1: found out that, you know, they got rid of Stacks
Speaker 1: and they got rid of Luka and like their careers
Speaker 1: are done. Awe. It's like I should have seen it
Speaker 1: coming with this finish Call Lee. He just what's the term?
Speaker 1: Body them?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Mrk them something Call Lee. Then we had some segments backstage.
Speaker 1: Ren Sinclair will be uh facing Blake and her debut
Speaker 1: next week in Ren's like home state, so that sucks
Speaker 1: for her. We had a Josh Briggs deal where you know,
Speaker 1: he's turning heel, and they set up a three way
Speaker 1: with Obafemi, Josh Briggs and in a murah for the title,
Speaker 1: I believe, even next week on television, and then the
Speaker 1: main event was Masha Slamovich Soul and Tzaria versus Fatal Influence,
Speaker 1: and Masha ended up in the ring with j C.
Speaker 1: Jane and pinned her. So this was actually what they
Speaker 1: did on the Great American Bash, except they had Mariah
Speaker 1: May Blake Monroe, she pinned Jace and like that led
Speaker 1: Like I'm still baffled as to why they did that finish,
Speaker 1: because you know, Jace retained the title the next night
Speaker 1: and Blake turned heel, So it's not even like they're
Speaker 1: setting up Blake and JC. So I presume Jace is
Speaker 1: winning both titles at Slammiversary, and I don't know where
Speaker 1: we go from here with Blake, but we'll find out.
Speaker 1: So back in the month with more Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike simper viv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Back in the show, Bryan Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Philthy Tom Lawler is joining us here today, and at
Speaker 1: this point it looks like tom I will be here
Speaker 1: on Friday. It's tomorrow, I may not be around, oh boy,
Speaker 1: so we'll have to make some plans, see what happens.
Speaker 1: But tonight I will be back for wrestling Observer Radio
Speaker 1: with Dave. We'll have a lot to talk about with
Speaker 1: his Dynamite show, and then uh, you know NXT and
Speaker 1: all of the news as well, and then Friday will
Speaker 1: be back for Fun Friday. So the st Collision.
Speaker 3: What is Collision this week?
Speaker 2: Brian?
Speaker 3: I think Saturday back to its all time Huh?
Speaker 1: I think so. Does anybody in the chat know when
Speaker 1: Collision is this week? It's kind of one of the
Speaker 1: problems with Collision is like they're moving it to all
Speaker 1: of these different you know this channel at channel, follow this,
Speaker 1: follow that, blah blah blah. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it's like it's good to try to find
Speaker 1: which one does the best. But also like if we're viewers,
Speaker 1: like we have no idea when this show is half
Speaker 1: the time. Luckily I have YouTube TV and I just
Speaker 1: hit that plus button and it records it whenever or wherever.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that.
Speaker 1: And yes, there's no after Dark today, but it is
Speaker 1: a There will be a replay up on Sports Byline
Speaker 1: and we will be live for next week's show. So
Speaker 1: that's the plan. We're week gotta do traveling and doing
Speaker 1: my best.
Speaker 3: So there you go.
Speaker 1: Anything else, Tom, anything you want to plug?
Speaker 3: No, Nope, nothing at all. I hope everybody's having a
Speaker 3: good week.
Speaker 2: All right.
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