1 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,159 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to food Stuff. I'm an Aries and 2 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm Lauren Vogelbaum, and today we're talking about one of 3 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: my favorite fruits. Yes, the pomegranate. Indeed, I didn't know 4 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: that was one of your favorite fruits. Oh yeah, it's 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: right up there with with like raspberries. Okay, I'm gonna 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: have to remember this, remember this, um, the pogran It 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: does go by some really cool nicknames, like the fruit 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: of the underworld or the fruit of Paradise. It's underworld 9 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: and paradise. Oh man, I wonder what other foods can 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: can lay that claim. I guess I think chocolate something 11 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: like that. Yeah. Yeah, talcate does have an interesting the 12 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: devil leading angelic both at the same time. It's like 13 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: the devil on your shoulder. But um, yeah, it's like 14 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: the devil in skewed halo. Anyway, Pomegranates, what are they? Well, 15 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: they're fruit. They got this basics, fact, basics, but they've 16 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: got this this like thin but but leathery, reddish brownish 17 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: or possibly yellowish rind, and they contain hundreds of seeds. 18 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: These seeds are protected in these internal sections by white membranes, 19 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: and each seed is enveloped by this individual juicy, red 20 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: or pink or clear little bit of fruit called the 21 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: arol m hmm. The whole fruit, skin and all is 22 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: can be anywhere from like the size of a baseball 23 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: to a softball I'd say, like a single fist to 24 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: like a double fist if you don't sports. Yes, yes, 25 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: And the seeds plus little fruity bits are each about 26 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: the size of like a pinky nail. Depending on how 27 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: big your pinky nails are, I suppose your mileage may vary, 28 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: that's true. The name pomegranate translates to apple with these seeds, 29 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: and the seeds alone make up about of the fruit's weight. 30 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: The flavor of the arrows surrounding the seeds is tart 31 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: and bright and sweet, with a little bit of a 32 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: stringent kind of pucker to them, sort of like a 33 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: like a really fruity red wine. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah. 34 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: And the seeds are generally edible, ranging from pretty soft, 35 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: sort of crunchy, and just a little bit bitter, which 36 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: adds a nice little to the flavor. Yeah. The fruit 37 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: grows on short trees or tall shrubs, however you want 38 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: to say it. The Latin name is Punica granotum, and 39 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: they can grow to as much as six to ten 40 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: meters high that's about thirty feet, though they're frequently kept 41 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: at about half that height for for good harvesting practices. 42 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: They've got multiple trunks, though those are usually limited to 43 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: just a few for better fruit production. And the fruit 44 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: grows from these big, pretty flowers that come in usually 45 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: the same like red and white color patterns as the 46 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: interior of the fruits themselves. That sounds lovely, They it 47 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: is lovely. Look up, look up a picture, y'all. And 48 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: although pomegranates all come from the same species, there are 49 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: over five hundred different cultivars, distinct human bread types with 50 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: slightly different flavor and coloration and seediness and all that, 51 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: but not an undergrounds Well, I don't know a new 52 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: character for the dunker. That's seedy pomegranate, Oh man, perfect. 53 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: So let's talk a bit about how we grow them. 54 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: Pomegranates are native to modern day Iran and the surrounding area, 55 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: but they spread throughout the Mediterranean regions of Africa, Europe 56 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: and Asia, and ancient times all the way across to 57 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 1: the Himalayas in northern India. They spread from there through 58 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: South and southeast and Eastern Asia into Indonesia. Nowadays, we 59 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: do grow them in the West and the US mainland California. 60 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: That's where palm is located, as in Palm Wonderful. Most 61 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: of you are probably familiar with that brand, Big Brand, 62 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: Big Random. They also grow in South and Central America, 63 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: from Mexico and the Caribbean down through Chile. Some varieties 64 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: of pomegranate do self pollinate, but many depend on pollinators 65 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: like insects or hummingbirds. I think hummingbirds are maybe the 66 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: primary one out in California, which sounds so dear, it 67 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: really does. The fruit is harvested once a year in 68 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 1: the fall, about six or seven months after the trees flower, 69 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: but with careful storage, the fruit lasts a long time 70 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: after being picked up to another seven months, which makes 71 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: them really good for traveling. Absolutely um. So now for 72 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: some seed removal techniques. Oh yeah, okay, because if you 73 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: all have never peeled yourself a fresh pomegranate, it's it 74 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: can be an arduous process. I just did a Liz 75 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: lemon I roll the first time. I I have a 76 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: friend who loves pomegranate, and I didn't try pomegranate until 77 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: high school at her insistence, and she taught me how 78 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: she got the seeds out, and I remember getting so 79 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: frustrated and thinking, why would anyone go through the travels 80 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: to do this? This is not worth it? And I 81 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: had like a high school tangum. And it can be 82 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: if you're not being careful, Like the skin can can 83 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: kind of like like not cut you, but but certainly 84 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: like if you're just doing it with your fingernails like 85 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: it can, that can be painful. The seeds are messy, 86 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: like if you squitch in too hard, it'll definitely stay 87 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: in your clothes. Yeah. Absolutely, Man, we're making everyone think 88 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: this is not for me. Okay, it's not. It's not 89 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: that it's it's a process. But but but there are 90 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: steps that can help. There are and this is a 91 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:55,119 Speaker 1: technique I got from NPR. Step one, cut off the crown. 92 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: Step two, make a light incision in the skin from 93 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: top to bottom to make quarter. Step three, put the 94 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: pomegranate in a vessel, a vessel of your desire filled 95 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: with cool water, holding it under for about a minute 96 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: or so, and then break apart the sections. Step four 97 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: go about separating the seeds from the rind and membrane. 98 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: The seeds should sink and the other stuff should not sink. Um, 99 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: drain and pat the seeds dry vola or maybe not valla. 100 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: I still have trouble when I did this, but hopefully 101 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: it'll work for you. I'm known for taking like shortcuts 102 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: that just make things more difficult, So perhaps I I 103 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: didn't wait the minute or something. When looking for a 104 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: pomegranate at the store, you want one with some hef 105 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: to it that's brightly colored um, and if you store 106 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: them in a refrigerator, they should last a couple of months. 107 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: And you can also buy the seeds already separated. If 108 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: this sounds like it's just not for you, not worth 109 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: the effort for you, although personally I always find those 110 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: to be slightly less delicious. Huh interesting. I have opinions 111 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: about these sort of things you do. It's one of 112 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: the things I love about you, Barn my opinions. Oh 113 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: that's good. So what about the health, Well, pomegranates are 114 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: pretty good for you. They've got decent amounts of folic acid, 115 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: of vitamins like K and C and potassium, and some minerals. 116 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: Seeds also have some healthy polyunsaturated oils, plus a wee 117 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: bit of protein and lots of fiber. Chalk full of fiber. 118 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: But note that, as with all fruit, pomegranate is low 119 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: in protein and high in sugar. It does feel filling 120 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: because of all of that fiber, but it won't keep 121 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: you like sated for a really long time. And from 122 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: this headline by the Daily Meal, I'd say it's a 123 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: safe bet that the pomegranate was slash is seen as 124 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: an aphrodisiac. Here's the headline. Is the pomegranate the most 125 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: seductive fruit of them all? All we'll get we'll get 126 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: into this a bit more later. Oh so much. Yeah, 127 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: I guess if you have to ask the question, the 128 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: answer is maybe. Is that true of most questions that 129 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: you could just be like maybe? I like that. We 130 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: just spent a bunch of time talking about how like 131 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: pomegranates might injure you, and then we were like, is 132 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: it the most seductive? Though? That is interesting, isn't it. 133 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: I hadn't considered that previously mentioned Palm brought this association 134 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: back with a series of ads in that we're pretty sexy, 135 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: I gotta say, and implied that drinking their pomegranate juice 136 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: would be a fantastic boost to your sex life. Their 137 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: website homepage features a voiceover upon entering that says a 138 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: fertile and fascinating history that that the Palm brand juice. 139 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: It comes in this curvy bottle that looks like the 140 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: ancient Venus statues to me, And yeah, that bottle is 141 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: certainly part of their marketing. Along those lines um an 142 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: article from The New Yorker from two thousand eight called 143 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: it zaftig. I've always wondered about that bottle. I didn't 144 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: realize that's what they were going for, but I'm not 145 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: sure if it's what it was, but that yep, yeah, yeah, 146 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: I see it. Pomegranates are thrown on the ground at 147 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: Turkish wedding ceremonies, and the seas counted reflect the number 148 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: of children the newlywed couple will have at a tradition 149 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: um For a while in China, it was fairly common 150 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: practice for women looking to have children to present pomegranates 151 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: to the Goddess of Mercy. And aside from all of 152 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: that symbolic stuff, pomegranates are used for all sorts of 153 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: other things. There. Flowers and husks make for good fabric diyes. 154 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: Medieval European inks were frequently made from pomegranate rind, and 155 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: the bark has tannins that are sometimes used in leather production, 156 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: particularly in Morocco, and other compounds that can be used 157 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: as insecticides, and I believe are particularly in Japan. Uh. Okay, 158 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: we got some numbers for you. Well, we've got a 159 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: couple of numbers. So there aren't any really good global 160 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: numbers on pomegranate production or consumption, but here's a few 161 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: numbers from the United States because that's where we live. Okay, 162 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: so um so, California produces like over of pomegranates grown 163 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: in this country, and as of Crappier, they grew a 164 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: total of two hundred and eighty three thousand tons of 165 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: pomegranates with a value of a hundred and fifteen million dollars. 166 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: And these days you can find pomegranate in all kinds 167 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: of things, saw saw lollipops, ice cream, gummy bears, conditioner, perfume, 168 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: in grenadine vodka and of course juice. I recently made 169 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: a pomegranate in time cocktail called Time to Kill, because 170 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: that's the type of person that I am. It was delightful. Yeah, oh, 171 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: thank you, I liked it. Um. This development is pretty 172 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: recent though, the pomegranate notification. That's that's a different I 173 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: want to say. I don't know why I tried to 174 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: say it. With the adding of pomegranate to a lot 175 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: of things, yes, yes, um. For a long time, pomegrants 176 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: were sort of a seasonal fruit in the West, but 177 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: they've always played a big role in Middle Eastern cuisines 178 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: and dishes like pheasant john, which is a stew with 179 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: duck or chicken, walnuts and pomegranates, or pomegranate soup. Along 180 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: came some of those aforementioned scientific studies suggesting that pomegranates 181 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: had health benefits, and the rest of the world really 182 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: cottoned on. Yeah, and I'm you know, as pomegranate has 183 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: started to be grown in different parts of the world, 184 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: you can get fresh pomegranates most times of the year, 185 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: but um, a lot of these recipes. These traditional recipes 186 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: feature pomegranate molasses instead of fresh arrows or fresh juice, 187 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: and in this case, the molasses meaning the fruit juice 188 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: being simmered down until it's rich and dark and and 189 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: a much more shelf stable. It's a it's a good 190 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: way of preserving pomegranate for the off season, And yeah, 191 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: features bag in a lot of these Middle Eastern dishes, 192 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: and throughout time pomegranates were thought to play a role 193 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: in fertility um and are frequently featured in religion and 194 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: the arts. And we're gonna look at all of this 195 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 1: and more, but first a quick break for a word 196 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back, Thank you sponsor. Now 197 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: for our history bit. The pomegranate is bandied about by 198 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: food historians as yet another possibility for the fruit that 199 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: tempted Eve in the garden of Eden. So I think 200 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: this is three we've talked about. It's a lot um. 201 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: Pomegranates come up in the Bible when Moses calls the 202 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: place he's leading the Israelites to as the land of pomegranates, 203 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 1: and other stuff too, but pomegranates, and King Solomon boasted 204 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: an orchard of pomegranates, with depictions of the fruit decorating 205 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: his columns. The Song of Solomon includes this, Thy lips 206 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: are like a thread of scarlet, and thy speech is comely. 207 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: Thy temples are like a piece of pomegranate. Within thy locks. 208 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: Depictions of Mary and or baby Jesus frequently include a pomegranate, 209 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: most likely symbolizing fertility and or eternal life. In fact, 210 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: the first known mosaic depiction of Jesus dating back to 211 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: fourth century CE. Pomegranates abound in it um. And we're 212 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: not going to talk about all the depictions of pomegranates 213 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: in art because they are way wait wait, wait, wait, wait, 214 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: way too many. I got overwhelmed. At first I was 215 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: listing them, and then eventually I had to say, no, stop, stop, 216 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: I take out the entire section never mind. From the 217 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: Temple of the Founder of Zen in China to Alahambra 218 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: in Spain the paintings of Raphael and da Vinci. Later, 219 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: pomegrants were featured in post Impressionism, Cubism, surrealism, the works 220 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: of Matisse, Pablo Picasso, and Salvador Dolly, they're all over. 221 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 1: So next time you're had a museum looking at some art, 222 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: just keep an eye out. Oh yeah, oh, and if 223 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: you can take if you can take pictures non flash photography, 224 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: you masters really not, but but yeah. According to Judaism, 225 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: the calx the pointing part of the top of the 226 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: pomegranate was the inspiration for crowns. Something I read said 227 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: that a pomegranate in Jewish tradition is thought that it 228 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: had six thirteen seeds that symbolize the six thirteen commandments 229 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: in the Torah. There are actually eight hundred forty seeds 230 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: in the modern day pomegranate, but this might not have 231 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: always been the case, and there's a lot of varieties, 232 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: so absolutely, yeah, yeah, different and different types of pomegranates 233 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: can have I think it's anywhere from like like five 234 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: hundred up to a thousand seeds. A thousand seeds, yeah, 235 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: I know. In Buddhism, there's the story of a woman 236 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: who traveled far to present Buddha with the ingle small pomegranate, 237 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: in contrast to the expensive gifts of pretty much everyone 238 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: else um during this time the kingdom of Bindusura. Buddha 239 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: freaking loved pomegrands. It is one of Buddha's three blessed fruits, 240 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: and he rang the bell to demonstrate his thanks to 241 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: this woman who gifted him a pomegranate. And Greek mythology, 242 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: Persephone was condemned to the underworld for a year after 243 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: she ate pomegranate seeds given to her by her kidnapper, 244 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: king of the underworld, Hades, But they came to a compromise, 245 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: they being per Sephone's mother and Hades. For Sephone would 246 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: spend four months of the year in the underworld with Hades, 247 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: during which time plant life would wither and die with 248 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: her mother's grief, and the rest of the year for 249 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: Sephanie would spend in the mortal realm. And this is 250 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: why we have winter. Yes, And another thing from Greek mythology. 251 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: The first pomegranate tree was said to have been planted 252 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: by Aphrodite, the Greek goddess of love, fertility, and beauty. 253 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: And here's another myth about the pomegranates creation. And it's 254 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: a little disturbing if you want to tune out for 255 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: a second, and any small children direct them away. Perhaps yep. 256 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: So Bacchus are Dionysus, the god of food, fertility, and wine, 257 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: was charged with watching out for this young, angry and 258 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: lustful god named Asdestus. Bacchus did the opposite of that, though, 259 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: he got as Destus drunk enough that he passed out, 260 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: hung him up by his genitals, and used the blood 261 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: to make the first pomegranate. Um Baccas gave the fruit 262 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: to Nana, a nymph, and she became insta pregnant. So 263 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: there's that fertility thing again. Yeah, oh, man, Bacchus gets 264 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: up to some stuff. He really really does. Pomegranates were 265 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: also remembered to be a go to for the prophet Mohammed, 266 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: and the fruit was present in Islam's Gardens of Paradise. 267 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: Here's a quote from him, Eat the pomegranate, for it 268 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: purchased the system of envy and hatred. It's pretty high praise. Yeah, 269 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: it certainly keeps you busy long enough, that's true. I 270 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: think it would make me envious of anyone who had 271 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: already got the seeds out of the pomegranate. But that's 272 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: just me. Pomegranate's popped up in the Odyssey by Homer, 273 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: not the other one, And in Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet, 274 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:34,239 Speaker 1: the Nightingale is quote singing in yon pomegranate tree as 275 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: to that romantic fruit thing. Consider this the first written 276 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: mention of the fruit, dating back to to hear your voices, 277 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: pomegranate wine to me, I draw life from hearing it? 278 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: Could I see with every glance, it would be better 279 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: for me than to eat or to drink. Very romantic indeed, 280 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: in any case, all of this aside, the pomegranate is 281 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: one of the first cultivated fruits, going all the way 282 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: back to three thousand BC or maybe even further. A 283 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: basalt relief from three thousand, five hundred BC depicts Mesopotamian 284 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: queen Kubaba, who got her start at a tavern holding 285 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: a pomegranate. She was the only woman on the Sumerian 286 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: king West. Because pomegranates were one tough fruit, as we 287 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, and could survive transport, it's spread more quickly 288 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: than a lot of the other things we've talked about 289 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: on this show, even to places they couldn't be grown. 290 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: In ancient Egyptian, where the pomegranate was around all the 291 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: way to at least two thousand BC, it wasn't uncommon 292 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: to be buried with pomegranates in the hopes the fruit 293 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: would grant you a second life. King Tut gave it 294 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: a whirl. Ancient Egyptians also drink the juice to combat 295 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: intestinal worms. The peel and blossom or crushed to make 296 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: red dye, and the fruit is depicted in a lot 297 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: of Egyptian wall paintings and a sunken ship from four 298 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: doing century BC lost while making the journey from Pala 299 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: signed at Egypt counted pomegranates on its cargo. Among its cargo. 300 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: Fossilized remains of pomegrants found in Armenia date back to 301 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: one thousand BC. Ancient Greek physicians like Hippocrates um recommended 302 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: pomegranate as a type of birth control, which is interesting 303 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: because it's also associated fertility thing, yes, and one of 304 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: the inflicting messages. Conflicting messages indeed, and one of the 305 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: reasons we wanted to talk about this one as a listener, 306 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: I believe named Savvy wrote in a long time ago 307 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: about how pomegranate was used as an ancient form of 308 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: birth control. So it's involved one way or the other, 309 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: but there's different opinions as to which. The pomegranate was 310 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: well known in Greece by the eighth century BC and 311 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: was introduced to Rome be a carthage. Around that time, 312 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: the Romans bequeathed Punicum malum are the Phoenician apple and 313 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: or mallem granatum apple seed. The word pomegranate probably derived 314 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: from there, and it was pretty popular too, especially in 315 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: the summer. Pompey's House of the Fruit Orchard featured pomegranates 316 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: in its mosaics, and married women in Rome rocked a 317 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: crown of pomegranate twigs. In an early iteration of the 318 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: wedding ring. It was to say, like, hey, man, taken, 319 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: see this pomegranate ground not for you. Towards the end 320 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: of the b c s the pomegranate was known in 321 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: France and speaking of at some point that mallem granatum 322 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: changed to ponam granatum. Poem was the Latin word for 323 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: fruit or sometimes specifically apple. This was the root of 324 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: the French word palm, meaning apple. The French combined palm 325 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: granatum to make pome granuts to refer to the pomegranate, 326 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: and it wasn't a big leap to get to the 327 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: word we have today. Funnily enough, though, the French word 328 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: for pomegranate is not the same today. Nope, it goes 329 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: by the French word for a grenade, and yes, that 330 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: might be where grenade, meaning the explosive, came from. They 331 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: had a sim They were similar in appearance and the 332 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: exploding of the grenade was compared to the scattering of 333 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: pomegranate seeds. Yeah, that was cool. In six dred to 334 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: seven hundred BC, zol Austrianism was one of the main 335 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: religions in ancient Persia, and pomegranate trees were planted in 336 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: the temple courtyards. They're almost a year long green leaves 337 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: representative of eternal life, and one of a sous fables 338 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: written sometime from six to five sixty included a pomegranate 339 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: tree and an apple tree fighting over who is fairest 340 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: of them all. Um, it's called the pomegranate at the 341 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: apple tree and the bramble. When zersees Persian army invaded 342 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: Greece and four eight b C, their spheres had not spikes, 343 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: but pomeg it's on the fruit symbolized strength and Persian culture. 344 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: Early medical writings differentiated between three types of pomegranate juices, winy, 345 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: sweet and acidic winey I'm assuming as in wine wine like, 346 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: not like, complains a bunch exactly yes. And here's what 347 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: our old pal plinting in the elder I had to 348 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: say about it. The branches of the pomegranate keep away snakes, 349 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: the little buds that neutralize the stings of scorpions, and 350 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: the fruit is in request for eating the nausea of 351 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: women with child m hm. The first written mention in 352 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: India dates back to first century CE, and in China 353 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: the fruit arrived the same century on the Silk Road. Later, 354 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: the fruit was cultivated in the warm climate of south 355 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: of China and it was exported to the cold north 356 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: of China as a delicacy. Starting around one thousand fifty 357 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: c E. It became commonplace for a pomegranate tree to 358 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: be offered to the goddess Jerga, whose name means invincible, 359 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: during the festival held in her honor um. Britain didn't 360 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: get pomegranates until the thirteenth century CE, arriving from southern 361 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: European countries. Once again, this was a food item that 362 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: was viewed as a luxurious thing for the rich to 363 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: enjoy or to use as a decoration. The English first 364 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: called it the poem Garnet, probably because of the red 365 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: color like a garnet, like I read, Yeah, like garnet. Yeah. Thanks. 366 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: After conquering Granada, the last Muslim stronghold and legend says 367 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: that Spanish Queen Isabella, with pomegranate in hand, declared, just 368 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: like the pomegranate, I will take over and a lucia 369 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 1: seed by seed. The fruit is now the city's name 370 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: namesake and on the coat of arms. King Henry the 371 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: Eighth wedding to Catherine of Aragon in the fifteen hundreds 372 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: featured gilded pomegranates, and allegedly King Henry planet the first 373 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: pomegranate tree in Britain. In fifteen nineteen CE, the Holy 374 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: Roman Emperor Maximilian the First of Austria was painted holding 375 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: a pomegranate in the same way a monarch would an 376 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: orb during their coronation. A pomegranate was featured in his 377 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: emblem as well. The Spanish planted the first pomegranate trees 378 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: in the New World after they arrived in fifteen twenty one. 379 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: It traveled north from the Aztecs and Mexico to missions 380 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: in Texas and California, and then in with the passage 381 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: of the Egypt of Nonce to end the civil war 382 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: between the Catholics and the Protestants. King Henry the Fourth 383 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: decided on the pomegranate for his heraldic badge. The accompanying 384 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: motto was sour yet sweet. That's how we thought a 385 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: king should be. You've got a strict rule, but you're 386 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: also kind. You're pretty nice too, exactly like the pomegranate. 387 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: When the French government created a new calendar during the 388 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: French Revolution, the artist Louis the Feat depicted Virgo the 389 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: Virgin with an open pomegranate in hand, most likely to 390 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: represent harvest and chastity in A farmer by the name 391 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: of Mr Bears too s is no first name has survived. 392 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: The Retellings cut off some pieces of a pomegranate tree 393 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: in Florida and took them all the way over to California, 394 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: where he planted them, and to his delight, he found 395 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: that the pomegranates were sweeter and juicier than what he 396 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: was used to. He gave this new variety a name, wonderful, Yes, 397 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: that wonderful. And this is from their website, So the 398 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: palm Wonderful wonderful website, which does have a very um 399 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: thorough history. That is, there's force over involved if you 400 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: want it. And it's not incorrect, I mean they're not 401 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: I know, I mean this I couldn't verify anywhere else 402 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: well per se i ride um. But yeah, most of 403 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: the rest of it accurate. Yeah. Skipping ahead to the 404 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, the Mediterranean diet started getting a whole lot 405 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: of attention. It had this, you know, emphasis on plant 406 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: based fats like olive oil, lots of French fresh vegetables, 407 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: whole grains, really heavy spices kind of instead of like 408 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: heavy salt, and using meat more as like a side 409 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: dish or or even a garnish than as kind of 410 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: the main event of a meal. And this this has 411 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: to do with pomegranates, I promise. One of the people 412 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: who helped make this big was cookbook author Paula Wolfort. 413 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: She had been writing about Mediterranean foods it's the early seventies, 414 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: and her writing really dovetailed with this new fad, this 415 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: new Mediterranean fad, when she published The Cooking of the 416 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: Eastern Mediterranean in which won the Julia Child and the 417 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: James Beard Awards for Best International Cookbook that year, and 418 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: it featured lots of recipes involving pomegranate, both the arrows 419 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: and that traditional molasses. Lynde Rosette Casper of the Splendid 420 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: table credits that molasses with the boom in pomegranates popularity, 421 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: like suddenly upscale chefs working in all kinds of cuisines. 422 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: We're playing with it. And then fast forward to two two. 423 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: This investment power couple Linda and Stewart Resnus, who had 424 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: previously made hundreds of millions of dollars off of companies 425 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: like Teleflora that the flower delivery service, and Franklin Mint, 426 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: which makes those commemorative coins and like knickknacks and dolls 427 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: and stuff. They had started buying California farm land up 428 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies and eighties, including some small pomegranate orchards, 429 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: and they didn't think much of them until on the 430 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: wave of this Mediterranean diet craze. Their family physician mentioned 431 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 1: pomegranates rich folk medicinal history circa. So the Resnis started 432 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: funding a few studies into like the antioxidants available in 433 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: pomegrand it's and then, finding good preliminary results, set forth 434 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: to create a juice product that could that could market 435 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: these antioxidant health properties Palm wonderful, yep, that pom wonderful. 436 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: According to an early company survey, only some four percent 437 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: of American consumers had ever tasted pomegranate at that point. Four. 438 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true or not, that's what 439 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: they said. By two eight, though, the RESIDUS had spent 440 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: twenty three million dollars on studies into pomegranates potential health benefits, 441 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: and I mean like they're they're absolutely in it to 442 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: make money, right, But they also seemed to believe really 443 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: deeply in the product. I don't know if it's marketing 444 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: or not. By two thousand seven, the public media was 445 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: wondering if we had hit peak pomegranate. Pomegranate. The flavor 446 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: was everywhere. Jelly Belly had just come out with a 447 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: pomegranate jelly bean. You know. There was that vodka muffin tops, 448 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: which were also really big in two thousand and seven. 449 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: It was in frapp chinos, it is in body butters. 450 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: It was not peak pomegranate yet though. Between two seven twelve, 451 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: the number of pomegranate farms in California went from five 452 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,959 Speaker 1: ninety nine to one thousand and fifties six, with an 453 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: increase of acreage from about twenty four thousand, five hundred 454 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: acres to about thirty two thousand, nine hundred acres. That 455 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: is quite the peak pomegranate's it's a it's a blunch, 456 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: it's a whole lot of pomegranates. Um. And speaking speaking 457 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: of Palm Wonderful, in the FTC filed complaint charges against 458 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: Palm Wonderful for their quote false and unsubstantiated claims that 459 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: their products will prevent or treat heart disease, prostate cancer, 460 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: and erectile dysfunction. Wow. Those products being Palm juice and 461 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: Palm X liquid and pill supplements, and those claims being 462 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: false or unsubstantiated because the studies that they had funded 463 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: and um, the claims that were based on those studies 464 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: had some problems. Um, the studies didn't always involve control groups, 465 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: or did not show better effectiveness than placebo, or just 466 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: didn't show the health benefits like period, but they said 467 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: that they did. Basically, the FTC ordered Palm to stop 468 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: all that noise and warned the public that they had 469 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: been potentially misled. What a company misleading? I don't know 470 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: about that. And we're going to look at some of 471 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: those medical studies and other modern medical studies. But first 472 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: let's take a quick break for a word from our 473 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: sponsor and we're back, thank you sponsoring, Yes, thank you, 474 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: and the okay, they were actual aphrodisiac studies. They were 475 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: funded by Big pomegranate. But there are actual studies into 476 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: whether pomegranate is an aphrodisiac which oh man, um you 477 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: know and okay, aphrodisiac nous can can be measured in 478 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: a number of different ways, and has been attempted to 479 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: buy these studies. This does get a little bit explicit, 480 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: just f y, I uh, you know, stuff like sperm 481 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: quality or erectile function or dysfunction, testosterone levels and therefore 482 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: possibly levels of sexual desire in both men and women. 483 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: These are all actual studies that actually happened. None of 484 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: them could be considered rigorous science. Yea. And there on 485 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: one that I found really interesting, that is it was 486 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: not conducted by the palm humans. There was also a 487 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: number of case studies published where where dudes successfully taking 488 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: a medication called sail dan finil to treat a actile 489 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: dysfunction experienced they experienced unwanted priapism when they simultaneously consumed 490 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: pomegranate juice along with this medication and priapism. If you're 491 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: unfamiliar with the term is the fancy science word for 492 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: an erection that will not go away for a few hours, 493 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: even in the absence of continued stimulation or arousal. Oh 494 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: so unsexy. In some ways, I would say I would 495 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: agree with that. I would agree with that, although I 496 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: guess technically aphrodisiac giel are recording that word now, I 497 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,959 Speaker 1: am not. Don't want to have anything that was terrible 498 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: to say, and I don't recommend it. You heard it 499 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: here first and hopefully never again, listeners. Um. Moving away 500 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: from aphrodisiacs, there are a lot of ongoing studies into 501 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: pomegranates potential medical uses um anti diabetic and anti microbial properties, 502 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: skin health, organ health, maybe even anti viral and anti 503 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: diarrheal properties, a way to end gut microbiome control, and 504 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: so much more. And that that list just f y 505 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: I is sort of in like the most substantiated to 506 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: kind of the least substantiated, if you're if you want 507 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: to play it back for your own personal edification. Perhaps 508 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: primarily though pomegranate skin juice and extracts have been investigated 509 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: for their antioxidant properties, and okay, antioxidants can under certain 510 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: circumstances help prevent the oxidation or the breakdown of certain 511 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: molecules in our bodies, which is considered good because the 512 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: breakdown of those molecules can cause tissue injury and inflammation, 513 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: which is bad, and that injury and inflammation can contribute 514 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: to stuff like cardiovascular diseases, arthritis and other rheumatic diseases, 515 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: and even to cancer. The research about pomegranate stuff is promising, 516 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: but not definitive yet. One thing from pomegranates that is 517 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: particularly hopeful seeming is this compound called a lagitannin. It's 518 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: also found in good quantities and some other foods like 519 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: walnuts and alone. This stuff doesn't do a whole lot, 520 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: but when some of the bacteria in your gut get 521 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: ahold of it, they eat it and excrete this really 522 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: useful compound called eurolithin metabolite, a super sexy name, I know. 523 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: In animal and human studies, though this stuff has been 524 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: linked to lowering risk of cardio metabolic diseases like diabetes 525 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: and heart disease and stroke. It's even been pegged as 526 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: a possible way to prevent cells from aging. In animals. 527 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: It's been shown to help cells recycle and replenish their mitochondria, 528 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: which are there the organelles inside of our celves that 529 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 1: turn molecules of food into energy when dysfunctional mitochondria build 530 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: up in our selves. Though that's that that's also bad. 531 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: It's like linked to Parkinson's and other diseases of aging, 532 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: so it's pretty cool that this compound may help prevent that. 533 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: Note though, with this allogitan and and you're within metabolite stuff, 534 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 1: that that your mileage is going to bear very based 535 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: on what you've got going on and you've got my microbiome, 536 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: because you need the right bacteria and in the right 537 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: quantities to make this stuff actually useful. Uh. Also note 538 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: that these studies tend to use extracts of pomegranate and 539 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: other foods, not the actual juice or food itself. So 540 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: just eating it is nice, sure, but you know, yeah, 541 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: just medical researchers in general indicate that more work needs 542 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 1: to be done to to prove the exact bioavailability and 543 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: effects of consuming pomegranates and in their extracts in all 544 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: of these cases, like basically, like if you enjoy eating pomegranates, 545 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: do it. Maybe don't go out of your way to 546 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: spend a whole lot of money on time or or 547 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: or I'm still like steamy about this. I can tell 548 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: you're you're mad at it. Okay, we need to do 549 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,760 Speaker 1: some some testing, come up with our own food stuff 550 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: way of opening a pom granate food stuff about it. 551 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: It would just be throwing it into some kind of 552 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: like I don't know, David Letterman style from a top 553 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: of our office building, hopefully eating a bowl. Hopefully that's it. 554 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: That's the only way that will work for me. I 555 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: think I was picturing like a baseball bat. Oh man, 556 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: that's a good idea too. I like hitting things at 557 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,720 Speaker 1: base Oh. As I said it, I realized how terrible 558 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: it sounds. Truely, and it does well. I don't think 559 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: too deeply about it. I don't think too deeply about it. 560 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: Perfect advice and our standard food food stuff disclaimer. More 561 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: sciences be done. Bodies are very different, complicated, and we 562 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: are not a medical podcast, so yeah, absolutely not. No, 563 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,240 Speaker 1: never take never take advice from us. Yes, it's always 564 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: if you're thinking about something in a meniscial or health way, 565 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: go to a professional. Yes, yeah, I mean we're professional 566 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: some things, but yeah, not medical professionals. No, that's that 567 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: is not what we do, precisely different things. Um, did 568 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: you ever play Parasite, Eve? Yes, I did, because you're 569 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: talking about the mitochondria and oh man, no one else 570 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: has played this and knows what I'm talking about. But 571 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: I stayed up really late playing video games last night, 572 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: so my brain is like in video game territory Mitchondrial Eve. 573 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: Oh oh heck, I do remember that. See, I was 574 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: thinking about in one of the sequels to A Wrinkle 575 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: in Time. I believe it's a wind in the door. 576 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: They shrink down, not like not like inner space like 577 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: Martin Short, but more metaphysically, and and they hang out 578 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: with some mitochondria. Oh cool, I'm picturing the Amiba voice 579 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: from Parafuff girls. We're just getting a massive this is 580 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: your daily dose of food stuff or nursery right here. 581 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: That is semi but very not related to the topic, 582 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: extremely loosely. Um, but yeah, that signals more or less 583 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: the end of our pomegranate episode and brings us to listen. Um, 584 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: it's it's much less sinister than that made it sound. Yeah, 585 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: it really is, because it is a mocktail around up. 586 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: Everything has to do with mocktails. And specifically for this 587 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: first part, another name for mocktails. We ask you, listeners, 588 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: we needed a better name at society, not just me 589 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: and Laura. We need a better name for mock tails. 590 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: And you listeners answered the call absolutely. Here's some we 591 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: suggestions we got we got. Sewan suggested foxtail, but it's 592 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: spelled like faux tail, showtail, but foxtail right. A fox 593 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: sail would be a faux cocktail that cleverly resembles a 594 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: cocktail and keeps you clever like a fox. That is 595 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: a quote from him. Karen wrote, soft cocktails equals soft tails. 596 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: Sounds like an animal. What has a soft tail? Squirrels? 597 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: I should have done it like up to talk from 598 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: up squirrels. Okay, there you go, um and she proposed 599 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: that mocktails henceforth be known as squirrels. Terrence and David 600 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: suggested hin tails. Lord Leaf on Twitter suggested mixed beverages 601 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: are craft beverages. Zara suggested sober drinks. Philip suggested ethanol. Oh, 602 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: I like that one. And since we've done this episode, 603 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: I have noticed a lot of menus with zero proof 604 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: sections on them. So that's a lot that's all roundup 605 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: of some suggestions. Here's a longer note from Noah. Every 606 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: year my town's a a u W American Association of 607 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: University Women branch has a used book sale where they 608 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: gathered together a year's worth of book donations around two books, 609 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: and there is always a magnificent spread of cookbooks. Oh, 610 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: I want to go so badly. A very interesting copy 611 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: of Irma. S. Rombauer's The Joy of Cooking caught my 612 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: eye because it looked extremely old. It turns out that 613 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: particular copy was published in n anyway, the first section 614 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 1: of the book is the cocktail section, but none of 615 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: the drags in the section are alcoholic. The statement at 616 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 1: the beginning of the section reads, to give this book 617 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: the impression of sobriety and stability it deserves. The alcoholic 618 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: cocktails have been relegated to the chapter on Beverages. There 619 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: they may blush unseen by those who disapprove of them, 620 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: and they may be readily found in the company of 621 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: many other of drinks by those who do not. This 622 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,800 Speaker 1: led me to think, well, why not just call everything 623 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: that is mixed in some way, regardless of alcohol content, 624 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: a cocktail? To me, it makes sense because a lot 625 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: of the recipes in the non alcoholic section were as complicated, 626 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: if not more so, than the boozy ones. What are 627 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: your thoughts about this? On a completely unrelated note, the 628 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: picture at the top of the cocktails section is of 629 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: two roosters, which I got a hearty chuckle out of. 630 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 1: Oh yes, and and relates back to that hentails cocktails 631 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 1: versus hen tails. Yeah, yeah, I could see that. I 632 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: think it'd be hard to um get ourselves away from 633 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: the alcoholic association with cocktails at this point, but I 634 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: could see it. I could see it potentially working. Yeah, 635 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,879 Speaker 1: I mean, especially on like any kind of drink list 636 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,280 Speaker 1: where the description of the drink is sort of literally 637 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: a list of what's in it, right, Yeah, it becomes 638 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 1: pretty clear pretty quickly, unless you don't know what a 639 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 1: shrub is or you know, sure, And it also could 640 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: just have two sactions underneath cocktails alcoholic alcoholic. William wrote, 641 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: I just listened to your mocktails episode, and the beverage 642 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: director of the restaurant that I bartend for shares the 643 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: distaste for the term mocktails because it implies a sense 644 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,879 Speaker 1: that something is missing or false. Instead, we have two 645 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: non alcoholic cocktail sections on our beverage menu, so does 646 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: it Phizzz, which are simple sodas that we make fresh 647 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: when ordered using our in house made flavored syrups and 648 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: soda water, and the preschool Drink section. Our other beverage 649 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,399 Speaker 1: sections are Old School and New School, so it goes 650 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: with that theme, which are well balanced cocktails using flavored syrups, juices, 651 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: and shrubs drinking vinegars. Alcohol can be added to any 652 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,359 Speaker 1: of those beverages if desired, but we add some lime 653 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 1: juice and adjust the proportions slightly to rebalance the cocktail 654 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 1: for the flavor of the booze. The restaurant is called 655 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: punch Bowl Social and if you want to check it out, 656 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,839 Speaker 1: we just opened at Atlanta location. Yes, and I looked 657 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,839 Speaker 1: at their menu and they had a lot of non 658 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,439 Speaker 1: alcoholic cocktails that I was like, m field trip. Yeah, 659 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: so many field trips to go on. Oh, there are 660 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: not enough time to many field trips. It's a good 661 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: problem to have. Absolutely it is thanks to both of 662 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: them for emailing us and everyone who suggested an alternate 663 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: name for mocktails. You two can email us. Our email 664 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: is food Stuff at house to works dot com and 665 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: if you'd like to get in touch on social media, 666 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: as some of these lovely humans did. You can do 667 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: that too. We're on Facebook and Twitter at food stuff 668 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: h s W. Also on Instagram at food stuff. We 669 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: hope to hear from you. Thank you as always to 670 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 1: our amazing producer Dylan Fagin, thanks to you for listening, 671 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,919 Speaker 1: and we hope that lots more good things are coming 672 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 1: your way