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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Callida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome in. It's One Bill's Live here a

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Speaker 2: Tuesday edition.

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Speaker 3: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: Steve doing his best Chris collins Worth slide like.

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Speaker 4: Like I did want much to a halt today, I

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Speaker 4: was just getting in.

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Speaker 3: I hope you all enjoyed your President's Day holiday. We

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Speaker 3: were fortunate to have the day off as well. But

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Speaker 3: we are back here in earnest, ready to roll through

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Speaker 3: our office season discussions building. You're not supremely motivated, are.

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Speaker 4: Not earnest yet? I'll get earnest in a minute. Next

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Speaker 4: week is it?

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Speaker 2: Next week is the NFL Combine Combines.

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Speaker 4: Next week, Broce Leavage.

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Speaker 3: We will have wall to wall coverage out there, will

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Speaker 3: be in Indianapolis. The show will be UH as usual,

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Speaker 3: and we'll be rocking and rolling and throwing out dozens

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Speaker 3: of prospect names and talking position groups and catching up

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Speaker 3: with important NFL movers and shakers, including head coach Sean

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Speaker 3: McDermott and general manager Brandon bean As. Those two are

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Speaker 3: usually kind enough to join us each and every year

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Speaker 3: out there at the Combine, So look forward to those conversations,

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Speaker 3: and you know, we'll see what we can glean from

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Speaker 3: their off season plans and speculate about everything under the

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Speaker 3: sun that is on the horizon here free agency we'll

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Speaker 3: come up first before the draft, obviously, and what will

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Speaker 3: come up even before that, Steve is the major task

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Speaker 3: for about half the league of getting into cap compliance,

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Speaker 3: getting under the cab prior to March thirteenth.

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Speaker 2: So that will be a task that Buffalo.

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Speaker 3: Has on their list as they are more than fifty

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Speaker 4: It seems it seems a foregone conclusion. It's it'll be

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Speaker 4: fairly easy and straightforward for them to do it. The

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Speaker 4: exactly what that's going to be for this year. It

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Speaker 4: hasn't been yet. It's going to be, not officially, it's

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Speaker 4: going to be about fifty million over, and they can

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Speaker 4: make themselves compliant with a hand full of restructurings of

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Speaker 4: guys that are absolutely going to get the money anyway,

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Speaker 4: so you may as well give it to them. Now,

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Speaker 4: that's what they'll do it does make them susceptible to

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Speaker 4: the same problem next year, but that's doing business in

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, And I think the other thing that it's

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Speaker 3: there are also going to be some difficult decisions because

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Speaker 3: I think they are going to get to a point

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Speaker 3: off the roster who are under contract. If they can't

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Speaker 3: reach terms on amended deals, pay cuts, restructures, etc. Then

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Speaker 3: it may cost some players their job because they are

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Speaker 3: too cost prohibitive for Buffalo's bottom line with what they're facing.

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Speaker 3: And that's something that I think fans and people like

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Speaker 2: But even when it.

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Speaker 3: Happens, it's like, oh, jeez, guys not on the roster anymore. Right,

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Speaker 3: Whether you expect it or not, it's still like a

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Speaker 3: it's a familiar name, you know that's been here for

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing that it at this time of year,

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Speaker 4: more so than any other that got to do cost

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't have your emotions in that.

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Speaker 4: If you're if you're one of those guys that's overperforming

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Speaker 4: There's some extenuating circumstances for guys like Matt Milano, Trey

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Speaker 4: But there's a lot of guys who you know, be

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Speaker 3: Incidentally, the Buffalo Bill's coverage of the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 3: NFL combine is presented by ticket Master through the official

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Speaker 3: ticket marketplace of the NFL, and as we said, that

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Speaker 3: will begin next Monday. We will actually be there a

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Speaker 3: you know how when we're out there, we got like

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Speaker 4: Be there anyway, empty empty room, and it's they've changed

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Speaker 4: it'll be interesting to see how that what what's going

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Speaker 4: you know, it's a little breath of fresh air to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no mind going on location a little bit.

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Speaker 3: We should mention that we've NFL dot Com put out

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Speaker 3: their forecasts for potential cap casualties heading into next month's

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Speaker 3: and to no one's surprise, there were some Bills players

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Speaker 3: So you as you're going as I'm going down this list,

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Speaker 2: For the AFC.

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Speaker 2: Because it's usually more money in their pocket.

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Speaker 3: Then if that doesn't work, then I think what you're saying,

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Speaker 4: On the tame happened, that could happen with all of

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Speaker 3: And here we go, and we've already seen some players

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Speaker 4: And here's one thing that should give Bills fans a

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Speaker 4: been that bad. But you know what I'm saying, The

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Speaker 4: guy's a great dude. The league is full of wonderful

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Speaker 4: people and he's one of them. So good for him.

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Speaker 4: Be happy for him, congratulating him if you get a chance,

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Speaker 4: because you really should. He deserves a lot of love

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Speaker 4: and respect from the football world, and I hope I

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Speaker 4: wish him nothing but the best in news retirement. That's

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Speaker 4: awesome to see he was. He was a great player,

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Speaker 4: a great player.

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Speaker 3: So that is around the NFL presented by Kalida Health,

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Speaker 3: the official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bill's got to

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Speaker 3: get to our topic of discussion today, which is, how

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Speaker 3: confident are you that a retooled and younger Bill's roster

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Speaker 3: can win the AFC East. You let us know what

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Speaker 3: you think about that. How confident are you that are

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Speaker 3: retooled and younger Bill's roster, which is something I think

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Speaker 3: we're all expecting, knowing their cap situation, can win the

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Speaker 3: AFC East eight oh three five point fifty one eight

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Speaker 3: eight eight five point fifty two five fifty the number

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Speaker 3: to get on board and let's go to the phones now.

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Speaker 3: And leading us off today is Mark in East Amherst.

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Speaker 2: What do you got for us?

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Speaker 4: Mark?

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Speaker 2: Here on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 5: Hi, Chris II, Steve. I hope you guys are doing well.

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Speaker 5: I was just wondering if you can help me understand

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Speaker 5: the salary cap situation as it relates to the Kansas

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Speaker 5: City Chiefs and the Buffalo Bills. I mean, currently the

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Speaker 5: Chiefs are somewhere between fifteen and twenty million under the cap.

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Speaker 5: Obviously the Bills are around fifty million over the cap.

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Speaker 5: And obviously both teams are building for sustained success, and

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Speaker 5: obviously we know the chief success. And I guess my

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Speaker 5: question is who's managing the caps for the Bills and

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Speaker 5: the Chiefs. Is it overdoorm overdoor for the Bills? In

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Speaker 5: collaboration with Brandon Bean, it just seems to me that

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Speaker 5: another thing I'm wondering is it because that the Chiefs

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Speaker 5: are playing younger players that have developed and they're saving

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Speaker 5: money against the cap in those areas in terms of

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Speaker 5: their receivers, to stepping up in terms of their defensive

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Speaker 5: secondary stepping up just having a difficult time understanding that

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Speaker 5: and what we can do to become more competitive with

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Speaker 5: the capt So that's primarily my question.

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Speaker 4: No problem, you can take care of the answers question, Brownie.

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Speaker 4: You're better at it the mist.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know I'm better, but I'll say this

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Speaker 3: first and foremost, and Brandon Bean has referenced this over

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Speaker 3: the years too. The Chiefs, if you remember, they drafted

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Speaker 3: their franchise quarterback in twenty seventeen, and they began to

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Speaker 3: build their roster approximately two years ahead.

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Speaker 2: Of Buffalo's build.

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Speaker 3: When McDermott and Bean got here, you know, in spring

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Speaker 3: of twenty seventeen, they had already been building it for

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Speaker 3: a year or so. Bills didn't get their franchise quarterback

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Speaker 3: until twenty eighteen, and so the build of the Chiefs

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Speaker 3: and their sustainability as contenders is about a year or

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Speaker 3: two ahead of where Buffalo's has been. And I guess

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Speaker 3: what I'm getting at with that is everything you've seen

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Speaker 3: the Chiefs do to manage their cap, keep their roster strong, etc.

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Speaker 3: The Bills have in many ways followed that same formula.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I think Steve and myself, along with

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Speaker 3: a lot of people are anticipating a youth movement by

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Speaker 3: the Bills to overcome their cap situation, because what you

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Speaker 3: saw the Chiefs do two years ago when they were

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Speaker 3: in a bad cap situation was they said, you know what,

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Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill wants thirty million dollars a year, We're not

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Speaker 3: paying that. We're going to trade him and use draft

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Speaker 3: assets in return to refortify our roster and draft well

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Speaker 3: to keep ourselves contenders in the AFC and the league

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Speaker 3: at large. And what they did was they reinvested in

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Speaker 3: their defense with draft choices and completely rebuilt that defense

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Speaker 3: probably in about two years, two draft classes some wise,

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Speaker 3: one year veteran free agent deals and stuff like that,

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Speaker 3: and they completely rebuild their defense, a large portion of

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Speaker 3: which is on rookie contracts right now. And so what

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Speaker 3: that affords you is the ability to hold on to

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Speaker 3: a difference making player like a Chris Jones and pay

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Speaker 3: him twenty million because you're paying an all pro nickel

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Speaker 3: corner and Trent McDuffie peanuts in the second year of

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Speaker 3: a four year rookie contract with cost control because he

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Speaker 3: was a first round pick. And you can even throw

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Speaker 3: a fifty year option at him after next year. So

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Speaker 3: what the Chiefs have done is what the Bills are

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Speaker 3: going to need to do now, which is basically invest

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Speaker 3: in draft choices to rebuild their defense, which has either

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Speaker 3: veterans on expiring contracts or cost prohibitive contracts for players

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Speaker 3: that are either not going to get back due to

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Speaker 3: injury Tredevious White, or players that just flat out have

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Speaker 3: to be replaced because they were here on one year

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Speaker 3: deals and cost too much. Leonard Floyd examples like that.

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Speaker 3: So you can almost use the Chiefs as a roadmap

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Speaker 3: for where the Bills need to go, because they're about

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Speaker 3: a year or two behind them in their bills.

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Speaker 4: And the difference is, you know, there's a couple of

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Speaker 4: different places where it varies this coming year. Pat mahomes

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Speaker 4: cap hit is fifty eight million, coming up, Josh's is

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Speaker 4: forty seven. Then it drops down Josh, then it's Steph

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Speaker 4: digs at twenty seven. And then of course you got

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Speaker 4: Vaughn who it was kind of a hole in the

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Speaker 4: Buffalo's kind of hierarchy, cause you didn't get nothing for that,

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Speaker 4: right because Vaughn was injured and didn't play well and

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Speaker 4: he was kind of struggling to get back the Chiefs.

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Speaker 4: They go, they've got the bills, have probably about eleven guys,

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Speaker 4: and I could count it real quick. They go down

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Speaker 4: to about all the way down to Mitch Morris and

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Speaker 4: they go down to three six, nine guys, and then

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Speaker 4: tenth is Ed Oliver, who's the first guy just under

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Speaker 4: ten million dollars. The Chiefs only have five guys. Six

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Speaker 4: guys won two, three, five, six, seven. They have seven

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Speaker 4: guys making ten million or more and the next guy's

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Speaker 4: making four. There's nobody seven, six, five for that goes

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Speaker 4: from ten to four. So there and during their bill,

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Speaker 4: the Chiefs said goodbye to maybe the most dynamic player

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Speaker 4: in the league, Tyreek. So if it would be like

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Speaker 4: if the Chiefs had signed Tyreek to the deal that

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Speaker 4: Miami did and then Tyreek got hurt, that's what Vaughn would.

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Speaker 4: That's what they got a fun right. So that's that's

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Speaker 4: the difference in the bill.

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Speaker 3: Put it in some of the predicament that we see

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Speaker 3: them in.

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Speaker 4: That gave them some help. Plus the thing that the

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Speaker 4: Chiefs did that was surprising to everybody. They played a

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Speaker 4: ton of young guys last year two years ago in

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Speaker 4: their Super Bowl run, their first one and they got

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Speaker 4: good production. They hit on some guys they really had

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Speaker 4: to hit on. They had to hit on.

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Speaker 2: That's what the Bills have to do now.

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Speaker 3: They're going to have to have a youth movement on

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Speaker 3: the roster and those players are gonna have to play

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Speaker 3: early and often and play major roles and then quickly.

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Speaker 3: To answer your cap management question, it's largely the GM

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Speaker 3: that makes the decisions, but he has counsel with cap experts.

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Speaker 3: The Chiefs have one and the Bills have the Jim

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Speaker 3: Overdorf and Kevin Meegang.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the the the general manager, the guy that are

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Speaker 4: responsible to get the team under the cap. Now, he'll

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Speaker 4: have the guys that Brownie just mentioned. The Chiefs have

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Speaker 4: the same one. They bring options to the GM. They say, well,

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Speaker 4: we could do this, we could do that, what about

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Speaker 4: this guy and that guy, and if we did, you

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Speaker 4: know they have they know all the numbers and the

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Speaker 4: ways of manipulating the cap for current spending. So they're

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Speaker 4: the guys that are the option guys, and the GM

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Speaker 4: is the guy that's the decision guy.

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Speaker 3: We got to take a break here, but when we

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Speaker 3: come back, more of your phone calls At eight h

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Speaker 3: three zero five fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two.

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Speaker 3: So if you're there, stay there. We'll get to you

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Speaker 3: when we return here on One Bill's Live, presented by

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Speaker 3: co Lot of Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right

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Speaker 3: back here on One Bill's Live, talking off season and

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Speaker 3: potential roster changes. Question on the table, how confident are

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Speaker 3: you that are retooled and younger Bill's roster can.

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Speaker 2: Win the AFC East Ato three five fifty.

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Speaker 3: Let's get right to the phones, as we've got people

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Speaker 3: waiting until Steve in Virginia next.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Steve, hey man, how are you doing great?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 7: Listen, get the bona fides out of the way. First,

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Speaker 7: A longtime fan became really aware of them in sixty seven,

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Speaker 7: but grew up in a household and only end with

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Speaker 7: the Bills love your show in fact about crack my gut,

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Speaker 7: laughing at your alphons and guests down over Jimmy Garoppolos,

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Speaker 7: possible alternative professional model, Yeah exactly. And then and then

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Speaker 7: and then the uh, the rant Steve that you went

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Speaker 7: on with, the guy that called in and said, what

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Speaker 7: what's the problem, the hockey guy that came in and

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Speaker 7: you just you know, I couldn't have said it better myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 7: love love you guys, love the bills. I also love

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Speaker 7: the bond of St. Bonadventure because I grew up in

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Speaker 7: Only End. But anyways, my answer to your question today

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Speaker 7: is yes. Now let me get to my three questions.

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Speaker 7: Number one gave Davis. Would you explain to me what

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Speaker 7: the issue is with him? Because I heard one of

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Speaker 7: your analysts that you interviewed talked about his hands, and

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Speaker 7: you know everybody's talking about he has games or he's

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Speaker 7: not targeted. Well, he's not targeted and that means something

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Speaker 7: is not right for Joshua to throw it to him

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Speaker 7: or whatever.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I I don't understand what the disappointment is with him

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Speaker 7: when he doesn't seem to be thrown.

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Speaker 8: To at all.

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Speaker 7: Number two, explain to me in Deacon's struct the what

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Speaker 7: do you call it? The passing? Passing without illegal forward

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Speaker 7: pass from I don't understand because I see mistakes seemingly

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Speaker 7: made about player being in approximate proximity to where the

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Speaker 7: ball goes down.

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Speaker 4: Talk about talking about roughing the I mean pass intentional grounding.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, Yeah, I had a little brain part there.

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Speaker 7: And Third, tell me when the NFL is gonna stop

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Speaker 7: salami slicing into the point where you need like fifteen

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Speaker 7: different subscriptions to watch all the games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's a lot. We'll try to unpack all

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Speaker 3: of it, Steve quickly. I will say streaming services as

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Speaker 3: long as there are people at streaming service companies willing

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Speaker 3: to pay the NFL giant money, they'll continue to exist

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Speaker 3: on different platforms.

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Speaker 8: Yah.

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Speaker 4: And here's the thing too, I think all of us

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Speaker 4: tech logically speaking, or in a transition period. It used

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Speaker 4: to be one way and one way only to get

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Speaker 4: the well two ways to get the games on the

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Speaker 4: radio or on the TV. You turn it on and

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Speaker 4: it's on freewook. Now you've got cable services. Well, we

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Speaker 4: didn't have cable. All we have is broadcasts. Well, you

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Speaker 4: can get those in the regular season. Now. Now there's

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Speaker 4: probably more ways to watch the games now than ever before.

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Speaker 4: But as you said, every way you can watch it

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Speaker 4: now you've got to pay separately to do that. I

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Speaker 4: think we're in a transition for that, and it may

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Speaker 4: be that in the years to come, you'll only be

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Speaker 4: able to watch it if you add it and you say, listen,

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Speaker 4: I want to watch it. Here's my subscrien. I'll pay

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Speaker 4: this much a month, But every single NFL game I

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Speaker 4: want to get a chance to watch whenever I want

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Speaker 4: to watch it, however I want to watch it. That's

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Speaker 4: kind of where we're headed. I think it'll get it'll

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Speaker 4: get more simple for the viewers line and streamlined, but

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Speaker 4: there's going to still going to be all these ways

654
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 4: to watch it and and so that's that's I think

655
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 4: we're in a transition technologically across the globe of how

656
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 4: people intake their entertainment.

657
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 2: Okay, so now quickly to the other things.

658
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 3: Intentional grounding was everywhere and all over the map this year.

659
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 3: If you watched Bill's games alone, there were times where

660
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: you were wondering how the heck it applied.

661
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: Cincinnati game when.

662
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 4: Josh throws it ten feet over Gabe Davis's head got

663
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 4: bounds out of bounds clear down the field, and they

664
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 4: called it intentional ground It was a joke. It was

665
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 4: a bad call. So that confuses fans who take who

666
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 4: watched this stuff seriously like you and I appreciate it.

667
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 3: The number one thing is the quarterback's got to be

668
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: outside the tackle box if he's just going to throw

669
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: it away, and it has to get beyond the line

670
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: of scrimmage. It doesn't have to target anyone necessarily, but

671
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 3: there has Yeah, but if he's inside the tackle box,

672
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: it has to be in the general vicinity of a

673
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: receiving eligible target.

674
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 4: Well, when Josh did it, he threw it too far

675
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 4: over game Davis's head.

676
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: Out he was outside the pocket.

677
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 4: I mean, call was so bad on three or four

678
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 4: to see you see a bad call like that, and

679
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 4: all of a sudden people get confused, is what the

680
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 4: rule really is? Because it's painfully obvious that it was wrong.

681
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 3: And then gave Davis specifically, he has enough production in

682
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: this league where he's probably gonna command a sizeable dollar

683
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: on the open market, a price that's probably gonna be

684
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 3: too steep for the bills systomach, knowing their cap situation.

685
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: And then number two, there are a group of fans

686
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: of the Bills that wouldn't mind seeing if the Bills

687
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 3: can do better at the number two wide out position

688
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: and for less money in the form of a draft choice.

689
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 3: Knowing this is a deep wide receiver class, You're not

690
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 3: gonna pay Gabe Davis thirteen million dollars a year to

691
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 3: not have a reception or one reception or less in

692
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: seven games this season. Look, I like Gave Davis as

693
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 3: much as the next guy. He's been a formidable deep

694
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: threat for them, but his catch rate is around just

695
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: over fifty percent. Even for a guy who've often is

696
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 3: targeted on low percentage plays deep down the field, that's

697
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 3: a low catch rate and it's tough to live with

698
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 3: if you're not get targeted that much. When you are targeted,

699
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 3: you can't play the fifty to fifty game. It's just

700
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 3: not productive for your passing attack. And I think the

701
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: Bills no paying a premium for that is not a

702
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: smart business decision. So would they like to have Gay back, Yes,

703
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 3: but it's gonna be at a price that works for them,

704
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: and I think Game's gonna be able to get more

705
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: than that on the open market. I think that's why

706
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 3: many of us anticipated we won't.

707
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 4: We got to Week nine of the regular season. In

708
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 4: the Eagles game, he went zero catches for zero yards.

709
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 4: Then in Week fourteen against the Chiefs, zero catches for

710
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 4: zero yards. Week fifteen against the Cowboys, zero catches for

711
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 4: zero yards.

712
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: A run game.

713
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody produced in the passing game that week.

714
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 4: Week eighteen against the Dolphins for the division, zero catches

715
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 4: for zero yards, and then he had a couple. He

716
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 4: had a game one catch for six yards. He had

717
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 4: a game three catches for twenty one yards, one catch

718
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 4: for thirty five yards.

719
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 3: And this is a receiver who has spent more time

720
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: with the starting quarterback than anybody else on the roster,

721
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: with the exception of Diggs. They both got here in

722
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 3: twenty twenty. Nobody else has as much time on the

723
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 3: field with Josh Allen as Davis and Diggs. And you say, well,

724
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: why is he not getting the ball he put on.

725
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: Let's not forget this guy worked his tail off in

726
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: the offseason, but he also got bigger and heavier. I

727
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 3: believe it kind of compromised his separation ability. So I

728
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 3: think getting open has become a bigger issue for him

729
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 3: as well.

730
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: And I think it's it's it's.

731
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: Borne out in the number of targets he does not

732
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 3: get over the course of the season.

733
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: So that's there are a number of factors in that.

734
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: And which one the Bills subscribed to, I couldn't tell you,

735
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 3: but those are the some that we've noticed over the

736
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: last couple of years. Let's go to Mark in West

737
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 3: senecon X. What's up Mark?

738
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, I had a question, but since referee was

739
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 9: brought up, and now I've got two. My first question

740
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 9: is Brian Thomas out at LSU, He's the one guy

741
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 9: that excites me is do you think there any realistic

742
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 9: possibility that he could drop down to anywhere of about

743
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 9: eighteen to twenty two? And it's so, what would it

744
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 9: cost the Bills to move up to that spot to

745
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 9: get them and would it be worth it knowing how

746
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 9: many receivers are in the draft still? Secondly, I don't

747
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 9: know when the league meetings are in the offseason, but

748
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 9: have you guys heard any scuttle but whatsoever because it

749
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 9: was another horrendous year of officiating, of any substantial changes

750
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 9: that might be being discussed, any kind of changes on

751
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 9: how they train these guys, And I'm not talking rule changes.

752
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 9: I'm talking about the process of finding referees, training referees,

753
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 9: and beyond that, how they do their job during games.

754
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 9: And then quick point, lastly, everybody talks about all the

755
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 9: Bills holes the Bills have to fill. I look at

756
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 9: it as a good thing because it's going to give

757
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 9: brand and a flexibility that he hasn't had in the past.

758
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 9: He always has flexibility, but typically he's got a lopcout

759
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 9: guys off the roster and then a lot of times

760
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 9: end up with some amount of money up against the

761
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 9: cap even though the guy's not here. When you have

762
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 9: that many open spots because of so many free agents,

763
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 9: it gives them a flexibility to manipulate and fix the

764
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 9: roster the way he wants, and I have every confidence

765
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 9: that he will.

766
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: So thanks guys, Yeah, no problem. Mark.

767
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 4: A couple of things. First, Lebrian Thomas Junior, that's Brownie's crush.

768
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 4: Brownie wants Brian Thomas Junior's bad now if you want

769
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 4: to go up and get him, if he's up, if

770
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 4: he's there at seventeen or eighteen, the Bills could get him.

771
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: Calculations last week.

772
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 4: It would cost the Bills they're one and two this year,

773
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 4: the twenty eighth pick and the sixtieth pick. They could

774
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 4: get up to the seventeenth, eighteenth pick right in there

775
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 4: Cincinnati and somebody else. I can't remember what the order is,

776
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 4: so they could get up to get him as high

777
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 4: as seventeen or eighteen if they wanted to go the first,

778
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 4: the twenty eighth pick in the sixtieth thick. It's pricey,

779
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 4: It's very pricey. So there's that the refing. I've said

780
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 4: this too, and I'm gonna continue to harp on this

781
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 4: during the offseason. This my take on the referee. Certainly

782
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 4: it was in the forefront for all the wrong reasons

783
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 4: this offseason or this season during the regular season. My

784
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 4: perception of that is this because so many games, particularly

785
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 4: Buffalo bill games, Bills don't lose by more than a possession. Ever,

786
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 4: it's been three years since they've done it in the

787
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 4: regular season. So all their games are close, and they

788
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 4: come down to like two or three plays if an

789
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 4: official is involved in any of those two or three plays,

790
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, the refereeing is an issue now,

791
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: it's a big mag it's just magnified. It's always been

792
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 4: that way, and I think the officiating is as good

793
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 4: or maybe better than it's ever been. But the problem,

794
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 4: it's not the problem. But the reality is the games

795
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 4: are so close, and we are so they are so

796
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 4: scrutinized now like never before. You tend to focus on

797
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 4: a little bit more than we have in the past. Certainly,

798
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 4: close games bring to the forefront where they are distilled

799
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 4: down to one or two plays. And like I said,

800
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 4: if an officials involved in those one or two plays

801
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 4: or these tight games are in all of a sudden

802
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 4: they stink or all of a sudden, well you gotta

803
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 4: call that. You know, the Chiefs were hot about calling

804
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 4: you know, Tony Gadarius Gadarius, Tony he's lined up as

805
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 4: a cornerback for the Bills for crying out loud. He

806
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 4: was so far over. But the Chiefs are outraged by that, right,

807
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 4: So whatever happens, you get these tight games, that's what's

808
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 4: gonna happen. The officials are gonna stay involved because the

809
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 4: league doesn't. This is this in the garage league. If

810
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 4: you break the rules, is gonna get called in overtime,

811
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 4: just like it is in the first quarter of the preseason.

812
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 4: It's it's gonna get called. So they're not They don't

813
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 4: want the officials to be afraid to make a call.

814
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 4: If it's the right call, you don't have a complaint.

815
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 4: If it's the wrong call. Okay, Now everybody's upset and

816
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 4: everybody's up in arms about it. When it was a

817
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 4: tough call to begin with. So I'm not. I'm not

818
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 4: up in arms about the officiating.

819
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: We haven't heard anything about the official training changing in

820
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 3: any way, shape or form the next league meetings.

821
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: At the end of March, which.

822
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 4: Is they do have place. They do have full time employees,

823
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 4: though as officials there's not all of them.

824
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 3: But people that run the officiating department are full time

825
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: officials themselves.

826
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: Are not.

827
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 4: The officials are not. Some of them. I think some

828
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 4: of them were they were talking. I think they are.

829
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 4: Some of them are. I think some of the hit

830
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 4: lead officials have begun to be full time and they

831
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 4: were starting to upscale that. But yeah, like I said.

832
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: And quickly.

833
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 3: The thing that's going to be interesting about Round one,

834
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 3: as it pertains to a prospect like Brian Thomas, is

835
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: how much the quarterback talent, the edge rushing talent, and

836
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 3: the offensive tackle talent is going to push the receiver

837
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: talent down. It's not going to push a receiving talent

838
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 3: like a Marvin Harrison down the board, or a Roma

839
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 3: Dunze or a Molik Neighbors, but it could push a

840
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas down the board because the edge talent, the

841
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 3: offense tackle talent, and the quarterback talent are very good

842
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 3: at the top of the class, and you want to

843
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 3: cross your fingers and toes that that pushes that second

844
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 3: tier of receiver talent down to the Bills. I don't

845
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: think it gets down to twenty eight, but maybe it

846
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 3: gets it within striking distance.

847
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: Got to take a break more of your phone calls.

848
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 2: When we return here on one Bill's.

849
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 3: Life, I've where we are asking you, how confident are

850
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 3: you that are retooled in the younger Bill's roster can

851
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: win the AFC East in twenty twenty four.

852
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: Back to the phones and to Doug in Lancaster. What's up, Doug?

853
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 6: Hey, how are you doing doing well? Hey? I want

854
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 6: to ask a couple of questions. Sure, yes, that's on

855
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 6: Miller contract. How long is that left?

856
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: Well?

857
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 4: This year last probably the last year it can be avoided.

858
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 3: After this year they can get out from under it

859
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: after this season coming up?

860
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 6: How much I got to get out of it?

861
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 3: Well, it's not a matter of paying him, it's a

862
00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: matter of terminating the contract, which would still you carry

863
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 3: dead cap money for the Bills on the cap.

864
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 6: Uh.

865
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: He's technically signed for another four years, but they can

866
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: they can withstand the cap hit in terms of dead

867
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: cap money after twenty twenty four is palatable. At least

868
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 3: it's still gonna be a lot of money, but at

869
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 3: least it's something they could probably stomach. They can't do

870
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 3: that right now. If they want to outright release them,

871
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: now that's the problem.

872
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 6: Okay, that's that's what I thought. Okay, And I have

873
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 6: another question, sure, you know whatever.

874
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 10: I listen to you guys, and then you have the

875
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 10: media having questions for the players or whatever to come

876
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 10: up after practice and stuff. Yeah, I can never hear

877
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 10: the questions.

878
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're with you on that one, Doug. They've tried

879
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 3: to use a parabolic microphone to capture the questions, but

880
00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 3: it works better, sometimes better than others. Unfortunately, we strained

881
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: to hear the same questions you're trying to listen to

882
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: as well, Doug, And trust me when I tell you

883
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 3: it's every bit as frustrating. We've tried to remedy that

884
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 3: situation as best we can, but with mitigating success.

885
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: Then we'll keep at it.

886
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 8: Though.

887
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, what they need, they just need somebody and they

888
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 4: don't have anybody that just to point the mic at

889
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 4: the guys who's answering the question asking the questions, So

890
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 4: that's the problem. And you know, they pop up like

891
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 4: popcorny and it's you know, so they don't do they

892
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 4: can't they can't do it. So there you go.

893
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just so I needed a second to get

894
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: the numbers in front of me. So next year to

895
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 3: get out from under von Miller's contract, if they choose

896
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: to do that, the dead cab hit would be fifteen

897
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 3: million dollars a little bit over that. If they released

898
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: him now, the dead cab hit would be thirty two

899
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: and a half million. That's just not something they can undertake.

900
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 3: He's signed through the twenty twenty seven season.

901
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: It's avoidable year, I believe at the end.

902
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: But still they don't want a length it, that's for sure.

903
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: So it's gonna be very interesting to see.

904
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: What they do.

905
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 4: It'd be really cool if got to the end of

906
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 4: this coming up upcoming season and all the hopes and

907
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 4: dreams of Bills fans are realizing they're hoping, Man, I

908
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 4: hope we find a way to keep Vaughn. Wouldn't that

909
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 4: be no?

910
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: Oh, because he had like a twelve SAX season.

911
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 4: That would be had like a seventeen SAX season. He's

912
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 4: the best thing since sliced bread, and everybody's like going,

913
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 4: don't get rid of Vaughan keeping That would be a

914
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 4: great scenario and hard to make happen. But that's still

915
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 4: in the cards. So yes, after this year, every the

916
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 4: rest of the three years become voidable and the cap

917
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 4: hit drops dramatically.

918
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 2: Let's go to Mike in East Arora next. What's up Mike?

919
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 11: Hi, guys, Hey, I got a few I got a

920
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 11: few things that I would like you to keep me

921
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 11: on for a few for a few extra seconds, because

922
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 11: I want to talk about von Miller a little bit.

923
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 11: But I think I'm one hundred percent sure we're gonna

924
00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 11: win the AFCs. I think it's gonna be fifteen and

925
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 11: two is gonna be the record, which you guys could

926
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 11: probably think I'm nuts, but I really believe that. I

927
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 11: think we're gonna make a splashing agency somehow and get

928
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 11: a receiver.

929
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 6: Now.

930
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 11: In part of von Miller's concern, Steve, I know you

931
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 11: agree with me because we've talked a few times on

932
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 11: the radio about this. But Ron Miller, his claim to

933
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 11: fame is rushing around the tackle low below the hips.

934
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 11: He did not do that one time this year because

935
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 11: I didn't think he had confidence in his knee, because

936
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 11: you need to have a lot of lower body strength

937
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 11: in order to do that rush. I believe he is

938
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 11: going to be a doubles a double.

939
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: Digit What am I think?

940
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 6: Yeah?

941
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 11: Double digit sacker this year, okay, and then last, last,

942
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 11: but not least. I think Game Davis is not gonna

943
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 11: can I said this before too. I don't believe he

944
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 11: is gonna get the kind of money you guys think

945
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 11: he's gonna get. He does not have the hands of

946
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 11: a twelve million dollar guy.

947
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 5: Uh.

948
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 11: He's a good blocker, and he he runs a good

949
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 11: skinny post, and he runs a good long post and

950
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 11: also a fly pattern. But those are the only three

951
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 11: patterns he runs. He can't run over the middle. He

952
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 11: has a hard time running running to the sidelines on

953
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 11: a on a on a down and out type pass.

954
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 11: So that's that's what I got.

955
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 4: I'll hang up and listen to you, all right, thanks, Mike, Yeah, yeah,

956
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 4: we we in Buffalo. And this is kind of the

957
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 4: way it is for all players when when they've come

958
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 4: to the end and you don't know if you're gonna

959
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 4: be able to keep them, and you haven't been able

960
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 4: to win or have the kind of offense or defense,

961
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 4: whichever side of the ball the player happens to be on,

962
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 4: you feel like they've contributed to the to the downside

963
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 4: of that of that offense or defense rather than the upside.

964
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 4: And certainly we've had moments where Gabe was the coolest

965
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 4: dude going man four touchdowns in the playoff game, the

966
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh game from two years ago, when he was a

967
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 4: ninety eight yard touchdown and then a sixty two yard touchdown,

968
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 4: all of that stuff going on. And certainly he's had moments.

969
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 4: But as for those of us who are familiar part

970
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 4: of the family, kind of know, and we're kind of thinking,

971
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 4: you know, it's just too much of a roller coaster.

972
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 4: Too many games like Brownie and I have saying where

973
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 4: he disappears, he doesn't, he's got a limited he's got.

974
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 2: A limited roun from your number two receiver. You just can't.

975
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 4: The thing is too And the thing that I go

976
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 4: back to, no receiver on the Bills roster this past

977
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 4: season or the season before had more snaps than Gabe Davis.

978
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 4: He plays more than any wide out on the team,

979
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 4: and he had less than fifty receptions this year. You

980
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 4: know that's you know, you've got to do better, and

981
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 4: there's got to be a thought out there that they

982
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 4: can find a guy that, whether you like him or not,

983
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 4: at least statistically, is going to help you more than

984
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 4: that or at least on a more consistent basis. So

985
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 4: that's and I think we're all kind of feeling that

986
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 4: for game. Everybody likes Gabe. He's a good dude, and

987
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 4: he's a really good player. He's an NFL solid NFL player.

988
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 4: But for a team that's looking for upgrades on the margins,

989
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, they're just there's just they're

990
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 4: close to the cost, they're close to the top, and

991
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 4: if you can start trimming things off and getting closer

992
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 4: to the top than you are now and maybe getting

993
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 4: over that's. This is the kind of move you feel like,

994
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 4: even as a fan, you got to make. And I

995
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 4: think the bills are probably there now. That doesn't mean

996
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 4: that you're right, Gabe Davis. Mate. There's some people who

997
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 4: think Gabe will probably come back because he won't command

998
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 4: the money. He's going to get out there and find

999
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 4: out it's a cold, cruel world in free agency, and

1000
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 4: he comes back to Buffalo on a veteran minimum or something.

1001
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 4: I was an exaggerate. He's not going to do that,

1002
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 4: but you know what I'm saying, They will be able

1003
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 4: to afford Gabe. Maybe because of the reagent market. Who knows,

1004
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 4: But for right now there's the big thought. We're browning

1005
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 4: I and I think you know Mike from Easter or

1006
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 4: is the same way you think you can do better?

1007
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 4: That's all there is to it.

1008
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here.

1009
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 3: When we come back, our number two begins with Matt

1010
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 3: Verderam from SI dot Com. Had an interesting take on

1011
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 3: the a f C East. We'll see where he stands

1012
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 3: on the outlook for the division when we return here

1013
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: on One Bill's Live presented by Colia Health.

1014
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bill's.

1015
00:52:27,400 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: Radio, The One Bills Live presented by Kalita Health.

1016
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 3: All right, our number two on a Tuesday, Chris Brown,

1017
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 3: Steve Tasker with you, and please to be joined now

1018
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 3: by NFL writer for Sports Illustrated.

1019
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 2: Matt Verdam joining us on the line here.

1020
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 3: He's had some AFC East write ups for SI dot

1021
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 3: Com that we wanted to kind of feel them out

1022
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 3: on a little bit. Matt, Thanks for joining us, Appreciate

1023
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 3: the time here in the off season.

1024
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 8: Hey, thanks for having me, appreciate being here.

1025
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 3: So I do want to begin with, you know, your

1026
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 3: one move that you feel every AFC East team should

1027
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: make this offseason. I know you've done other divisions, but

1028
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 3: obviously we're a little AFC East myopic. So let's begin

1029
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 3: and keep it simple here and lead off with the Bills.

1030
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: You're of the opinion that.

1031
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 3: They should let just about every one of their free

1032
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 3: agents walk. I think that will be a case to

1033
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,959
Speaker 3: a large degree, maybe not universally so, but their cap

1034
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 3: situation makes it prohibitive to run it back quote unquote.

1035
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 3: I know, if they had their way, they'd like to

1036
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 3: have Daikwon Jones back for sure, knowing all the holes

1037
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 3: they have in terms of free agents on their defensive line.

1038
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 3: But we're probably looking at a youth movement here, right.

1039
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, And that's kind of the point of where I

1040
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 8: was going with that. Look. I think Dai Kwon Jones.

1041
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 4: You're right.

1042
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 8: If there was one guy that they had their brothers

1043
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 8: they could they could resign, it would be him. The

1044
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 8: question is how much do you invest in Jones when

1045
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 8: you've already invested a ton of at olv or right

1046
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 8: next one? And so it becomes hard to lock up

1047
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 8: all that money on the interior of the defensive line.

1048
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 8: But you know a lot of these guys now at

1049
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 8: this point that are hitting free agency, not all of them,

1050
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 8: but a lot of them are older guys. Leonard Floyd

1051
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 8: had a very nice year for the Bills. You could

1052
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 8: probably let him walk at the compict for him. You know,

1053
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 8: one of the more interesting guys is in aj Panessa.

1054
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 8: Do you do you try to bring him back? Does

1055
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 8: it work? Is there en a playing time to go around?

1056
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 8: Obviously they have to make a decision on Gregory Russo's

1057
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 8: fiftieer option this offseason as well. I just think of

1058
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 8: the Bill with the cap situation and looking down the

1059
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 8: line and trying to make sure you maintain flexibility. It's

1060
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 8: hard to bring back some of these guys at numbers

1061
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 8: that they might get on the market, a guy like you,

1062
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 8: Gabe Davis, when in reality you're probably better off trying

1063
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 8: to maybe find that cheaper replacement in the draft and

1064
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 8: then move forward being able to build around Josh Allen

1065
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 8: without having to pay some of these guys on a

1066
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 8: second or third contract a lot of money.

1067
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,240
Speaker 4: Certainly, it's different from position to position. From wide receiver,

1068
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 4: to corner, to defensive line, defensive end line, but all that.

1069
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 4: But generally speaking, there does seem to be we forget

1070
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 4: that every all but about well, maybe half the team.

1071
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 4: Let's say half the teams in the league are over

1072
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 4: the cap, so they've got to get cap compliant first.

1073
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 4: So no matter almost universally, no matter what free agent

1074
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 4: you lose, there's going to be a comparable guy out

1075
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 4: there that you go out and grab if you can

1076
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 4: free up the money to do that. And really it's

1077
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 4: about what you have to offer, the chance to get

1078
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 4: a championship, the chance to maybe sign a short term deal,

1079
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 4: get back on the radar, go to a really good

1080
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 4: team on a really good defense, make a difference, and

1081
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 4: then hit it again. Right. How big of a phenomenon

1082
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 4: is that in your opinion.

1083
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 8: No, Steve, I don't know there's any question. And the

1084
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 8: Bills are an attractive team because they are a really

1085
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 8: good team. And if you're a defensive free agent, you're

1086
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 8: looking at it going Okay, it's a good defense coach

1087
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 8: by the defensive mind head coach. And if you're on

1088
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 8: the offensive side of the ball, you're going, oh, this

1089
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 8: is great. I get to play with Josh Allen. So

1090
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 8: there's definitely part of that I mentioned earlier with Gay Davis. Okay, now,

1091
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 8: if he walks, there are a ton of free agents

1092
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 8: out there, and you're not going to replace him with

1093
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 8: a guy who costs more. That doesn't make any financial sense.

1094
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 8: But maybe you go out and signed a guy like

1095
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 8: a Darnel Mooney, who you say, you know what, he's

1096
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 8: going to cost a fraction of what gave Davis is

1097
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 8: going to cost. And with Josh Allen he might really

1098
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 8: take off. He's been productive in the past with lesser quarterbacks.

1099
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 8: Maybe he's a guy who could go to Buffalo and

1100
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 8: have a resurgence. I think you give Shakir a bigger

1101
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 8: role in the offense. He's obviously a kid with a

1102
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 8: lot of talent and a lot of potential. But yeah, to

1103
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 8: your points, there are guys littering free agency. We always

1104
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 8: see the first seventy two hours or so a free

1105
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 8: agency and we see these massive contracts for these top

1106
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 8: line guys. The real value in free agency is in

1107
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 8: the weeks after that where you find that second tier guy,

1108
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 8: that guy who for whatever the reason, whether it be

1109
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 8: a little bit of an injury history, whether it be age,

1110
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 8: you know what, get this guy in a one year deal.

1111
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 8: Leonard Floyd's a perfect example. He was signed far later on,

1112
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 8: had a really good year for the Bills, and now

1113
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 8: they're in a position to get a compic for him.

1114
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 8: So I think it's guys like that who you can

1115
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 8: bring in where you're not paying a premium and yet

1116
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 8: you're not really having a drop off.

1117
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 3: Do you think Matt that Because we were looking at

1118
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 3: some of the positions in free agency already. You know,

1119
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 3: safety was an example of this last year. He had

1120
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 3: people like Jordan Hoyer who thought they were gonna get

1121
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 3: paid giant money in free agency last year, and the

1122
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 3: problem is there were seventeen other starting Safeties entering the

1123
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 3: free agent market. The only guy that got paid was

1124
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 3: Jesse Bates and everybody else took a haircut in free agency.

1125
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 3: We're looking at those lists already there long and now

1126
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 3: you're here about potential cap casualties out there, like a

1127
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 3: Joey Bosa or a Nick Chubb, who granted's coming off

1128
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 3: injury and probably won't command big money. But there are

1129
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,479
Speaker 3: enough examples out there where you're sitting there going holy cow,

1130
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 3: like supply is going to far outwagh demand and you

1131
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 3: got sixteen teams trying to just get cap compliant. They're

1132
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 3: not gonna be shelling out giant money to do that

1133
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 3: all over again. So my question to you is, to

1134
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 3: your point about Leonard Floyd, you saw the Bills take

1135
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 3: advantage of late free agency.

1136
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: I feel like because of the flood of supply.

1137
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 3: That we're gonna get here in the coming weeks, there's

1138
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 3: gonna be a handful of teams that are gonna be

1139
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 3: able to take advantage of that kind of scenario come

1140
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 3: May or June post draft. Forget about second wave of

1141
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 3: free agency.

1142
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 8: There's no doubt and we we see this some years. Look,

1143
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 8: and this draft is expected to be very deep. Like

1144
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 8: if you talk to people around the league, a lot

1145
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 8: of people feel like this is one of the deeper

1146
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 8: drafts in a recent memory. So that also plays a

1147
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 8: fact in this. If you're a general manager, we'll stick

1148
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 8: at wide receiver for a second. Would you rather pay

1149
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 8: a receiver twenty twenty five million dollars or go draft

1150
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 8: the guy in the top fifty where you're saying, hey,

1151
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 8: we're gonna get this guy cheap for four years. If

1152
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 8: your drafted in the first round, you're gonna get him

1153
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 8: cheap for five years if he works out for you.

1154
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 8: So there's definitely that aspect as well. And like this year,

1155
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 8: guys mentioned Daikwon Jones, Daikon Jones is a really good player,

1156
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 8: and you know what, he might becoming a lot cheaper

1157
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 8: than people expect, because when you look at this year's class,

1158
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 8: Chris Jones, if the Chiefs don't retain him, either on

1159
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 8: a tag or on a long term deal, but for

1160
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 8: a free agency, he is the top free agent you

1161
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 8: could argue on the market. Then there are guys like

1162
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,919
Speaker 8: Christian Wilkins. I mean, Christian Wilkins is a big name,

1163
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 8: is a big time player, and there's beyond those two

1164
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 8: a lot of depth, a d tackle like somebody's gonna

1165
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 8: end up sitting there holding the bag saying, man, I

1166
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 8: thought I was gonna get twenty million a year, I'm

1167
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 8: gonna get ten and I'm gonna do it on a

1168
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 8: one year deal. I mean, that's reality in today's NFL.

1169
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 8: If you don't get that deal quickly, that money dries

1170
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 8: up in our hurt. I remember last year Orlando Brown

1171
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 8: coming out of Kansas City, A lot of people thought

1172
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 8: he was gonna get massive, massive money. He ended up

1173
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 8: getting decent money in Cincinnati, but nowhere near what he

1174
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 8: was expected to get because other tackles signed first. Mike

1175
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 8: mclinchy signed early, Jawan Taylor signed early, and that was it.

1176
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 8: So there's always that risk if you're a free agent,

1177
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 8: if you don't sign quickly as one of the bigger

1178
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 8: name guys, especially if your position is stacked, it becomes

1179
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 8: hard to find that money all of a sudden. Teams

1180
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 8: don't have it. Even if they value you, they can't

1181
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 8: give you that money. They just don't have it in

1182
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 8: their coffers. And so it's definitely a factor. And that's

1183
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 8: why I think a lot of the smarter teams they wait.

1184
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 8: They let those teams with huge cap space cachets. They

1185
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 8: let him spend it, and then they slide in and

1186
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 8: they get the value.

1187
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 4: Further down your article for SI, you also mentioned, you know,

1188
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 4: you went down through the AFC East. Now there is

1189
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 4: really interesting and you're kind of where Brownie and I live.

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01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 4: The Miami Dolphins have kind of backed themselves into a

1191
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 4: corner with Tua. Certainly he's played well. His numbers back

1192
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 4: it up. They were in their hunt for the division

1193
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 4: title all the way to Week eighteen, he seems a

1194
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 4: little fragile. Although he took about every snap this year

1195
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 4: he wanted him to take from Miami. I mean, he

1196
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 4: lived through it this year, but still there's that doubt

1197
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 4: about whether he can carry a franchise like an elite

1198
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 4: quarterback can. But now it's time to put up. And

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Speaker 4: your kind of advice is, hey, you may as well

1200
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 4: pay him and see what happens.

1201
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 8: Right It's hard. I would not want to have to

1202
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 8: pay him right now, but I don't think they have

1203
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,919
Speaker 8: much of a choice. They don't have it. They are

1204
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 8: so capped out. I mean there if you look at

1205
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 8: just the Caps, they're in a familiar or a similar

1206
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 8: spot I should say with Buffalo. But the Bills have

1207
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 8: a lot more levers they can pull here. And the

1208
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 8: Bills know that they have the quarterback. They know they

1209
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 8: have the guy. There was no hesitance. He like, Josh Allen,

1210
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 8: you're happy to pay, Josh Allen, I don't know that

1211
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 8: you're over the moon to pay to it here, even

1212
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 8: beyond just the health stuff. You know, we all saw

1213
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 8: that Week eighteen game, and in that game, at no

1214
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 8: point did you ever feel like Toua was going to

1215
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 8: make the big plays down the stretch to win that game.

1216
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 8: None and Allen for the mistakes he made in that game,

1217
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 8: he also made all the plays you need to make

1218
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 8: down the stretch to win it. And so I think

1219
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 8: if you're the Dolphins, I think you're trying to pay

1220
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 8: to it to get that cap number down in the

1221
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 8: future so you can you can help with your with

1222
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 8: your situation financially. But I don't want to give him

1223
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 8: huge guaranteed money like I want outs in that contract.

1224
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 8: I want that thing to have incentives in it like I.

1225
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 8: The problem is is if your tours representation, you're sitting

1226
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 8: there going no not going to do you any favors

1227
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 8: like we want five and two fifty minimum because that's

1228
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 8: what the going rate is, and as a cap keeps jumping,

1229
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 8: it's only going to go higher and higher and higher.

1230
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 8: I think right now he's signed today, he's probably going

1231
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 8: to fifty five a year, which is crazy. He is

1232
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 8: not shown to be that level player. I do quarterback

1233
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 8: rankings every week for Sports illustratight during the year. He's

1234
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 8: above average, but he's more in that ten to fifteen range.

1235
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 8: He's not really in that top ten range. And so

1236
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 8: that's a lot of money up to a guy who

1237
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 8: as injury concerns and b yes, put up numbers this year,

1238
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,919
Speaker 8: but against the best teams, really struggled, did not play well,

1239
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 8: whether it was Buffalo, Kansas City, Philadelphia, so on, and

1240
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 8: so did not perform the way you'd want him to.

1241
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 8: So yeah, I think you give him the money because

1242
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 8: that's the NFL that we live in today. But you

1243
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 8: do it really wincing and hoping it works for the best.

1244
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the Dolphins can reduce his cap number and

1245
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 3: make themselves more cap flexible with an extension as opposed

1246
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 3: to the franchise tag. That's number one for them. But yeah,

1247
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 3: I mean, if your Tua and his camp, this is

1248
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 3: your last shot at it for Giant, at least as

1249
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 3: far as I see it, because that guy's one or

1250
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 3: two concussions away from maybe hanging it up. I mean,

1251
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 3: he contemplated retirement long and hard last offseason, you know,

1252
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 3: sat down with his family and everything. So I got

1253
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 3: to believe his agent feels this might be the only

1254
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 3: time we can get to swing big on a contract.

1255
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 3: So I mean, unless the Dolphins are ready to pony up,

1256
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 3: I could see that shaping up to be a little

1257
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 3: bit of a staring contest between the two sides.

1258
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 8: It could be. It absolutely could be. When you look

1259
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 8: at his draft class, Herbert's now gotten paid and Burrow

1260
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 8: got paid. And it's a weird thing because Burrow is

1261
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 8: the better player and he's got the credentials, right, I mean,

1262
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 8: he's won the division titles, He's been to Super Bowl.

1263
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 8: Herbert has no credentials from a team perspective. None. But

1264
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 8: I don't think anybody believes that Herbert's not the player

1265
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 8: the two is. I think everybody thinks Herbert is a

1266
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 8: more talented player. The other question you have if you're

1267
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 8: to his representation, but also on the flip side of

1268
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 8: the Dolphins, Tyreek Hill is still, if not the best

1269
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 8: receiving football Top three for sure. What happened when Tyreek

1270
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 8: Hill isn't that guy anymore? I mean we're getting to

1271
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 8: a point now he's gonna be on the other side

1272
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 8: of thirty Like, what happens with that? And also, are

1273
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 8: they gonna pay Waddle a fortune? I would think that

1274
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 8: they probably do when that time comes. But what is

1275
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 8: Tua in three years from now when Tyreek is not

1276
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 8: the Tyreek that we know at this moment and maybe

1277
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 8: Wattle's gone or if he's still there, now he's the

1278
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 8: number one guy and he's not the number two guy.

1279
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 8: Like that, That is the question. I don't think, like

1280
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 8: when you look at a Josh Allen, you don't worry

1281
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 8: about that. You don't worry about what he's gonna be

1282
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 8: as well as he's healthy, he's upright, he's gonna be great.

1283
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 8: You do worry about that with too. I think it's

1284
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 8: the same question we're gonna have about party in a

1285
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 8: few years in San Francisco. What happens if Brandon Ayuk's

1286
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 8: not there, what happens if George Kittle's on the back

1287
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 8: end at that point? Then what are you still gonna

1288
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 8: paying fifty five million dollars a year? You still feel

1289
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 8: good about that? That's a real question. So I think

1290
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 8: you're right, Like the Dolphins are gonna have trepidation. I

1291
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 8: just think, as Steve said, they're backed into a corner.

1292
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 8: I don't know where they're to go with this whole thing.

1293
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 8: And if you're two in his camp, you're looking at

1294
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Speaker 8: it going that sounds good to me. Pay me, pay

1295
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 8: me right now. I'll take the check.

1296
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Speaker 4: So as we move on through the East, you go

1297
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 4: to the New England Patriots and it's I mean, for

1298
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 4: a franchise that for so long seemed granite, rock solid,

1299
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 4: I mean, nothing changed over there. They changed this guy

1300
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 4: that got that. Everything was just chugging along and it

1301
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 4: never moved. Now it seems like they put the whole

1302
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 4: thing in a blender. You know what it's going to

1303
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 4: look like, right, I mean they've got new coach, new staff,

1304
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,479
Speaker 4: nothing but question marks at key positions, bunch of free

1305
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 4: agents taking off Matts later even just retired this today.

1306
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 4: So you know what, how do you see them shaking

1307
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 4: out and sifting through all the issues that are facing

1308
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 4: the Patriots.

1309
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 8: I think it's a fawn rebuild right now, right, I

1310
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 8: mean Belichick leaves and so it's drode Mao coming in.

1311
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 8: And let's be honest about where they are. They don't

1312
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 8: have a quarterback. Maybe they draft one at three, maybe

1313
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 8: they get it Drake may or Jayden Daniels, however it

1314
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 8: works out, but they don't have a quarterback. If they

1315
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 8: want to go to the veteran route, they want to

1316
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 8: get a bridge guy, fine, no matter how you slice it,

1317
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 8: they're not ready to compete right now. That offense does

1318
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 8: not have enough talent. Ramandre Stevenson is a very nice

1319
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 8: running back. They don't have a number one receiver, they

1320
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,959
Speaker 8: don't have anybody on that offense. It's scarcy. Defensively, they've

1321
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 8: got talent, especially with Christian Gozalez coming back, Judon coming

1322
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 8: back off the injuries. Defensively they can be good, but

1323
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 8: offensively that is.

1324
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 4: A full rebuild.

1325
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 8: And so they've had twenty years now of incredible success.

1326
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 8: If you're in Foxburg, you're going to live with a

1327
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 8: few years of kind of retooling this thing, figuring it out.

1328
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 8: And I don't think that's the worst thing in the world. Look,

1329
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 8: you've got to reset sometimes, and New England was trying

1330
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 8: to piece mill it together with Belichick there. They were

1331
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 8: hoping that mac Jones is going to be the answer

1332
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 8: and then they could have kind of relaunched on the fly.

1333
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 8: It didn't happen. He's not that guy. And so I

1334
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 8: think if you're in New England at this juncture, you've

1335
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 8: got a lot of cap space, go out and get

1336
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 8: yourself some weapons on offense. Go get guys though, who

1337
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 8: are going to be there for a while, not these

1338
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 8: cheap one two year rentals. And then in my opinion,

1339
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 8: if you believe in a quarterback at three draft, if

1340
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 8: you don't, then don't force it. Don't take a guy

1341
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 8: just to take a guy. Go get a Bridge, Go

1342
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 8: get a Ryan Tannel, go get someone of that ilk

1343
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 8: and move forward and kind of waited out a year.

1344
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 8: If you're Mayo, you know you have a little bit

1345
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 8: of time. The Crafts, it's a good organization. They're not

1346
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 8: going to rush things. But yeah, I think it's a

1347
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 8: hard case to be made that the Pats aren't a

1348
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 8: clear fourth in the AFC East right now.

1349
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 3: And then finally with the Jets, it's becoming more and

1350
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 3: more readily apparent that they grossly miscalculated in the draft

1351
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 3: by not investing in their offensive line. I know Pittsburgh

1352
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 3: kind of beat him to the punch on Broderick Jones

1353
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 3: in Round one last year, but they didn't pivot and

1354
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 3: they went d line again where they had an embarrassment

1355
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 3: of riches and the Chickens came home to roost in

1356
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,679
Speaker 3: Week one. Poor pass protection led to you know, Rogers'

1357
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 3: season ending injury just four plays into the season. You know,

1358
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 3: even if he doesn't get injured in Week one, you

1359
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,480
Speaker 3: have to believe with the way that line played out,

1360
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 3: there's no way Rogers would not have missed time with

1361
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 3: the pressure he likely would have been under on a

1362
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 3: weekly basis. All that being said, the question now is

1363
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,799
Speaker 3: do the Jets have their head on straight to actually

1364
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 3: fix an offensive line that doesn't need just one fix,

1365
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 3: but probably multiple fixes, not to mention the fact that

1366
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 3: maybe their best lineman is coming off a major major

1367
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:41,719
Speaker 3: injury for the second time in his career.

1368
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 8: Yeah. I don't know how you guys feel about this,

1369
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 8: but the Jets have given no reason to believe that

1370
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 8: they can figure this out zero.

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01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 2: Well.

1372
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Speaker 8: I mean, I am from New York, I am from

1373
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:59,799
Speaker 8: the I watched it, I'm thirty five, I'm intimately familiar

1374
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 8: with the Jets and how they operate. The Jets have

1375
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 8: done very little in my entire lifetime to make me

1376
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 8: think that the Jets are gonna all of a sudden

1377
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 8: figure this thing out and everything's gonna work, and they're

1378
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 8: gonna be singing kumbay Ah come week fifteen next year.

1379
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 8: My problem with the Jets now is the same problem

1380
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 8: I had with the Jets when they were acquiring Aaron

1381
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 8: Rodgers last year. Aaron Rodgers is an obvious when he's healthy,

1382
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 8: and obvious upgrade, a massive upgrade over anybody that they've

1383
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 8: had in quite some time. The problem is they can't

1384
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 8: block anybody, and that was obvious last off season, and

1385
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:33,600
Speaker 8: yet his you point out they did not do it.

1386
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 8: If you had you draft Carter Warren and your draft

1387
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 8: tipman in the second round, that's all fine and well,

1388
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 8: but they did not nearly do enough to address the

1389
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 8: myriad issues they were going to have upfront. And so

1390
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,679
Speaker 8: now you're sitting here and they're tight to the cap.

1391
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 8: Now you can always create space. We all know this

1392
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 8: with extensions and restructures. And you cut a few guys

1393
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 8: and that's fine. This is not a great class of

1394
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 8: offensive line. Helping free agency is Tyron Smith, who's an

1395
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 8: older left tackle who's often injured. Kevin Zeitler's really good guard.

1396
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 8: Maybe he gets out of Baltimore. If he does, that's

1397
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 8: a guy. You can look at Dotson coming out out

1398
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 8: of the Rams, but a really nice year there. If

1399
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 8: he gets out of LA. Okay, they're tackles. They're gonna

1400
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 8: have to draft a tackle in the first round. I

1401
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 8: don't see any way around it. There's not enough in

1402
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 8: free agency to help him there. I still think it's

1403
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 8: an issue. And then on top of that, you got

1404
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 8: a forty one year old quarterback next year coming off

1405
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 8: with torn achilles and who's he throwing? Dude? Garrett Wilson's great?

1406
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 8: Who else? Who else is there? I think the Jets

1407
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 8: can fill a need. I don't think they can fill

1408
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 8: four needs, five needs. And in the AFC, that's what

1409
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 8: they're gonna have to do to compete. Could they make

1410
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 8: him run at a wild card spot if everything goes well? Sure?

1411
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 8: Do I think they're going to?

1412
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 4: No? I don't last one from me, Matt. You had

1413
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 4: all another article on s I was really interesting about

1414
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 4: the confidence and certainly the AFC is stacked with quarterbacks

1415
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 4: at the top of with Pat, Josh Lamar, Justin, Joe,

1416
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,440
Speaker 4: the whole crew, and you went down the list and surprisingly,

1417
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 4: I think at this point twelve months ago we wouldn't

1418
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 4: have known this, but CJ. Stroud is up at the

1419
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 4: top of that list as well. A lot of they

1420
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 4: just got better. Joe Burrow gonna come back seemingly healthy

1421
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 4: this coming year, so they're gonna be stacked once again.

1422
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 4: But the confidence level how much in these teams, like

1423
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 4: of course, the Bills are confident going in, the Chiefs

1424
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 4: are confident going in, and now the Texans have reason

1425
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 4: to believe they're gonna be confident. Justin Herbert with Jim

1426
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 4: Harbaugh a lot of optimism there. How much of the

1427
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 4: confidence in each of these quarterbacks around the AFC that

1428
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 4: we're also familiar with centers around stuff other than the guy,

1429
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 4: you know, the team around it, how much of the

1430
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, because I know it's different

1431
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 4: from team to team as well.

1432
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, look, I think when you're talking about this many

1433
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 8: great quarterbacks and confege, I mean, Steve, when you were playing,

1434
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 8: there was you had Jim Kelly, there was Warren Moon

1435
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 8: and Dan Marino and John Elway and so on. I

1436
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 8: mean Joe mont Danna for a few years and so

1437
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 8: on down the line. Like you guys kept everybody else

1438
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 8: from making the Super Bowl those years. I mean, well,

1439
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 8: what was the reason? Well, the team around Jim was great,

1440
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 8: and Jim was great, so it worked out. Okay. The

1441
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,919
Speaker 8: reality is, like you'll look at Justin Herbert with the Chargers,

1442
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 8: He's always gonna have an uphill battle because he's got

1443
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,600
Speaker 8: Patrick Mahomes in his division, and you're gonna have to

1444
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 8: find a way they get past that guy, and not

1445
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,560
Speaker 8: just him, but Andy Reid and Brett veech Right. And

1446
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 8: now all of a sudden, you know, we all looked

1447
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 8: at Trevor Lawrence a year ago and went, man, the

1448
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 8: Jaguars are really on the come. This is a young

1449
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 8: and up and coming team. And now you look at

1450
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 8: it and go, they're gonna have a problem because Houston's

1451
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 8: really good and really young, and they nailed the draft

1452
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 8: even beyond Stroud, guys like Tank Dell and Will Anderson Jr.

1453
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 8: And so you look at it and go, man, it's gonna

1454
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 8: be a problem, right, And then you have the North

1455
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 8: Where is it Lamar is it?

1456
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow?

1457
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 8: They're kind of pingponging off each other. So I think

1458
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 8: so much of it does go into well, who's around you,

1459
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 8: who's making the decisions in the front office, who's got

1460
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,600
Speaker 8: the better coach, who's got the better line play. We

1461
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 8: spend so much time looking at all the fantasy football positions.

1462
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 8: Who wins up front, who can help that quarterback the moment,

1463
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,839
Speaker 8: and who's got a defense that's gonna keep that quarterback

1464
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 8: from having to score thirty points every week? So yeah,

1465
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 8: I think a ton of it is based on the

1466
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 8: decision makers around the organization, the coaching staff, putting guys

1467
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 8: in the best place to succeed, and then finding a

1468
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 8: way to build that roster around those guys which's not

1469
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 8: always incumbent on them, where you can lean a little bit.

1470
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 8: We just sawt Chiefs win the Super Bowl. Yeah, Mahomes

1471
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 8: was terrific. They won the Super Bowl because that defense

1472
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 8: and that's why they won the Super Bowl. And then

1473
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 8: Mahomes made a half dozen plays a game that is

1474
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 8: to me so much of it in a loaded AFC.

1475
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 3: And then quickly, man, before we let you go your

1476
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 3: Super Bowl fifty nine matchup of choice. Obviously we like

1477
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 3: the sounds of it. I think we know why you

1478
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 3: picked it. You know, two teams that have never won

1479
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. Maybe just hand us your your logic

1480
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 3: in seeing it at least as feasible too.

1481
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, my editor over at Sports Illustrated asked me to

1482
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 8: come up with Super Bowl fifty nine like the matchup

1483
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 8: that everybody would want to see. And so my first

1484
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 8: rule was the Chiefs can't be involved because I think

1485
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 8: at this point, unless you're in Kansas City, I don't

1486
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 8: think I don't think the nation is clamoring for the

1487
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 8: Chiefs back in Super Bowl. They've they've become this year

1488
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 8: or this year is Patriots. Look, the Bills are an

1489
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 8: incredibly likable team.

1490
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 2: Well, whether you're.

1491
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 8: Talking about character or whether you're talking about just watching

1492
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 8: them play. I mean, Josh Allen is one of one.

1493
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 8: He is so unique in the way that he plays.

1494
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 8: And you know, look, I went to I went to

1495
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 8: school a few hours from Buffalo up in oswego to

1496
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 8: New York, and I have so many friends where Bills

1497
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 8: fans who are dying with that team every week. And

1498
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 8: when I went to school, it was it was with

1499
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 8: teams that were not anywhere near as talented as a

1500
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 8: team that's there right now. And so you get to

1501
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 8: know that fan base that is such a loyal, passionate

1502
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,759
Speaker 8: fan base in Bill's Mafia. I think people in America

1503
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 8: would appreciate that team being there a because of the

1504
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 8: team itself and the style they played b the passion

1505
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 8: that comes along with him. And on the airside, I

1506
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 8: put in the Lions, the Lions obviously getting into the

1507
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 8: NFC title for the first time since nineteen ninety one,

1508
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 8: and you look at a talented team, a very young

1509
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 8: team I thought had maybe the best draft class of

1510
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 8: anybody this year. Dan Campbell a very good young coach.

1511
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 8: I think the Lions, when you look at it in

1512
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 8: the NFC, not the Plethoro of quarterbacks. So we just

1513
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,600
Speaker 8: ran down the AFC. So Jared Goff maybe overwhelmed in

1514
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 8: the AFC to something agree to the NFC. You can

1515
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 8: make an argument stop three quarterback. I think there's a

1516
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 8: real chance of Bills and the Lions find their way

1517
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 8: to the top next year. I know the Bills have

1518
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 8: some changes to make, that's fine. You have Josh Allen,

1519
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 8: you have plenty of talent around them. I think that

1520
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 8: would be a stellar Super Bowl matchup and one that

1521
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 8: I think the country would really enjoy watching.

1522
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 4: Matt good stuff. I appreciate your time. Thanks for stopping

1523
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 4: by anytime.

1524
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 8: Guys, Thanks a lot.

1525
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 3: All right, that's Matt verder Am from SI dot com

1526
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 3: NFL riter over there. You can check out his stuff

1527
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 3: online at SI dot com. Wanted to just bounce some

1528
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 3: things off and with some of the things that he

1529
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 3: put together, so good rundown of the AFC East to

1530
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 3: do list at least for each of the.

1531
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 2: Four teams, and.

1532
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 3: I love his characterization that you could tell he's got

1533
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 3: a New York accent. He's a downstate guy. His characterization

1534
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 3: of the Jets is very similar to mine. And you know,

1535
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 3: this is what we've borne witnessed to for the better

1536
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 3: part of the last forty five fifty years.

1537
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 2: They cannot get out of their own way.

1538
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 4: They can't get out of their own way.

1539
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 3: Like Broderick Jones gets drafted by the Steelers, who leapfrog them,

1540
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 3: feeling that the Jets are going to take a tackle here,

1541
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 3: they need tackle help. Let's get ahead of them, get

1542
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 3: the guy we want. They get Broderick Jones out of Georgia.

1543
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 3: I think he winds up by the end of the

1544
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 3: season being their starting right tackle. And instead of the

1545
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 3: Jets pivoting and like sliding back, maybe taking a tackle,

1546
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 3: they have a little bit lower on their board. They

1547
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 3: just swing for another defensive end.

1548
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 2: And look, Will McDonald may be a great pass.

1549
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 3: Rusher in due time for them, But it was just

1550
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 3: to me, they compounded the issue.

1551
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 2: And look, Joe Tipman was a guy that you liked.

1552
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 3: I got him in the second round and he ended

1553
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 3: up starting at center because the injuries.

1554
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 4: But and he might be a great player. I think

1555
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 4: he could be a good player.

1556
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 3: They still help, they needed help on the edges, and

1557
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 3: they just flat out didn't get it.

1558
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 2: We got to take a break here.

1559
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 3: When we come back, more of your phone calls, maybe

1560
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 3: a little NFL true false as well. We got to

1561
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 3: check the tweet cheek too. All of that coming your

1562
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 3: way next here on one Bill's Live, stay tuned, our

1563
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 3: confidenter you that are retooled and younger Bill's roster can

1564
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 3: win the AFC East. We head back to the phones

1565
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 3: at EIGHTO three oh five fifty and waiting patiently.

1566
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 2: There's Marie and Amhurst. What do you got for us? Marie?

1567
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: Hey, guys, good, good good.

1568
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 12: So I disagree with the retooling or younger roster. I

1569
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 12: think we need to keep the same formula we've been

1570
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 12: going with because we've been winning with it. So we

1571
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 12: clear enough space. You know, we're adding to it by

1572
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 12: signing these one year free agency deals. Get the best

1573
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 12: free agent we can get, and I think we just

1574
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 12: need to maybe sign I like Brendan Wright from USC

1575
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 12: to receiver. But I think we need to go heavy

1576
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 12: on defense after that, because you know, we keep building

1577
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 12: on around Josh and that's fine, but we got a

1578
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 12: three tier system right here. We got cooked Ken Kid Knox,

1579
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:34,640
Speaker 12: and at receiver we still got Digs and Shakier. So

1580
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 12: they've been doing great. I think that we can get

1581
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 12: to the super Bowl with them. We just got to

1582
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 12: get better on defense because you look at the Niners,

1583
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 12: they got a great defense. They got the three tier

1584
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 12: system as well. You know, we got the better quarterback,

1585
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 12: but they got McCaffrey, Ayu, they got kiddos. Then you

1586
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 12: look at Mahomes, he had Pacheco Kelsey the other tight

1587
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 12: end they have, and you know, once in a while

1588
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 12: they'll use another receiver. So the formulas here we can.

1589
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 6: Use the guys that we have.

1590
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,640
Speaker 12: It's fine to add another receiver in the draft, but

1591
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 12: you know, I think we really need to build on

1592
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 12: that defense. And Josh now have to get a player

1593
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 12: that can you know, he could launch it over twenty

1594
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 12: yards down to field. You know, ten yards is the

1595
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 12: first down. We got players that can get open, that

1596
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 12: can catch the ball. You know, we could keep killing

1597
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 12: the clock if the defense not up the car and

1598
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 12: just do what we gotta do. But I have a question,

1599
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 12: do you guys think that after this season, if we

1600
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 12: don't reach the Super Bowl, do you put McDermott on

1601
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 12: the hot seat or do you give them the Mike

1602
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 12: Tomlin treatment because he keep winning? That's it.

1603
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, First things first, Yeah, you're right about the defense.

1604
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 2: There are far more holes on that side of the ball.

1605
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 3: So I do think that it will be addressed both

1606
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 3: in free agency and the draft, because you can make

1607
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 3: the argument if Gabe Davis doesn't return, it's really the

1608
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 3: only starting position you have to fill on offense, right

1609
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 3: everybody else is under contract that was manning the other

1610
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 3: ten starting positions. So you're right about that, and so

1611
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 3: I do think there will be a concerted effort to

1612
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 3: you know, plug the holes on defense, knowing they are

1613
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 3: far more numerous in the starting eleven, either due to

1614
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 3: free agency or injury concerns. So that's first, and then yeah, second,

1615
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 3: with respect to McDermott, No, I mean, in my estimation

1616
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 3: is McDermott is the guy you want to be taking

1617
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 3: the swings with because I think there's two teams in

1618
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 3: the league that have made the playoffs the last five

1619
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 3: years in a row.

1620
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 2: It's the Chiefs and the Bills. That's it.

1621
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 3: Nobody else has made the playoffs five years in a row.

1622
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 3: It's the only two teams, So you're doing something right.

1623
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 3: Keep swinging, Just keep taking a swing.

1624
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 4: I get the frustration with always running into the chiefs

1625
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 4: and coming up short. I get that it's everybody else's

1626
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 4: problem too. If you change it now, you're gonna take

1627
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 4: it there. I just don't think there's anybody, not Mike Vrabel,

1628
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 4: not Bill Belichick, nobody out there in the coaching market

1629
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 4: that if you bring them in here, this team takes

1630
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 4: an immediate step forward. I just they're not gonna get better.

1631
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 4: You're gonna take a year. We're back. You're gonna step

1632
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 4: back a year now, and then once you do that,

1633
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 4: you take that year off. The thought is for the

1634
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 4: callers or the fans that you're gonna now is your time.

1635
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 4: You're gonna come back, change things up, acclimate to a

1636
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 4: new system, do all that stuff, and then come back

1637
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 4: stronger than you were before. Let me tell you them,

1638
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 4: there's no guarantee you're ever gonna come back ever at all,

1639
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 4: let alone stronger. You don't just change the head coach.

1640
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 4: When you change the head coach, and this is a

1641
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 4: group that you got to have faith is gonna break

1642
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,799
Speaker 4: through and beat that because Brownie's right. The same problem

1643
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 4: you have is the same problem everybody else in the

1644
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 4: conference has. You got to get past Pat Mahomes and

1645
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 4: Andy Reid. This is the team that keeps stepping up

1646
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 4: to the plate. Nobody else has done it five straight years.

1647
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 4: This is the team that is good enough to go

1648
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 4: to get there and punch him in the mouth. You

1649
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 4: can be frustrated that they haven't got it done, but

1650
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 4: they learn every time they do it, and they're gonna

1651
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 4: they're gonna. I think they're gonna break through if they're

1652
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 4: gonna do it all it. Also, I don't think works

1653
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 4: because we say youth movement retooled all that as anything other,

1654
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 4: I don't think that's a philosophy change by Brandon Bean

1655
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 4: and Sean McDermott. They're still gonna fill holes in free

1656
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 4: agency running up to the draft. They're still gonna be

1657
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 4: able to do that. They're gonna do it, and they're

1658
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 4: gonna build the team with all the assets they have

1659
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 4: financially and other one draft wise, the way they have

1660
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 4: always done it, with the best players, building the best

1661
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:42,719
Speaker 4: roster they can, and then they expect, as always Sean McDermott,

1662
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 4: to maximize it.

1663
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 3: I think philosophically, though, they're gonna have to rely on

1664
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 3: more youth going forward because younger players are going to

1665
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 3: be the ones filling it.

1666
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 4: Here's the thing, here's the thing.

1667
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,879
Speaker 2: Fills you can.

1668
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 4: Go to, you can I can tell you what I

1669
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 4: think is gonna happen in this whole scenario. They're gonna

1670
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 4: restructure Josh Steph, Dion, Trey Dawson, Milano, Tarren Mitch, maybe

1671
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 4: maybe even Ed. They can do all of that, and

1672
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 4: if you want, if you want to get heartless, Tredavious

1673
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 4: is a cap casualty, and they may even go at

1674
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 4: Von and say, hey, Vaughn, will you give us some relief,

1675
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 4: tear that contract up and let us do this instead,

1676
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 4: and all of that will get them well passed. They'll

1677
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 4: give them some space on the cap. So I think

1678
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 4: they're gonna get to the draft and they're gonna have

1679
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 4: filled most of the holes that we have seen on

1680
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 4: both sides of the ball. There's only one on offense,

1681
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 4: like he says, it's number two wide out, and I

1682
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 4: think on defense, they're gonna have a roster, so they're

1683
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 4: gonna be able to pick whoever they want in the draft.

1684
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 4: That's gonna be the best player going forward. So I'm

1685
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 4: I that's the philosophy they've had that have got them

1686
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 4: to this point and got them to the up to

1687
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 4: the plate and up to the epper echelons of the league,

1688
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 4: and has kept him there. I don't think that's gonna change.

1689
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of with Marie. Although you can label

1690
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:03,719
Speaker 4: it or call it whatever you want.

1691
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 2: Let's go to Mark in Stockton. What's that Mark?

1692
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 13: Hi, guys, how's it going? Thanks for taking my car.

1693
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 13: I want to talk about complimentary football. I want to

1694
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 13: talk about how in certain situations, like late in the game,

1695
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 13: had second down, you got guys underneath the defense is

1696
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 13: giving you the short yartage plays, but Josh is going

1697
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 13: all the way to the end zone and it's like, look, man,

1698
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 13: the clock's only a been and a half left. The

1699
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 13: last thing we want to do is get Kansas City

1700
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 13: Chiefs of Football rain in your quarterback and say we

1701
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 13: only need first downs because professional football is about those

1702
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 13: first downs, So that clock is your friend. And late

1703
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 13: in the game, and I've seen for versus on five yuys,

1704
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 13: I'm sick and tired of the bone at plays where

1705
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 13: you're giving our way it down going for the row

1706
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 13: percentage perception play. Jim Davis on a clear day probably

1707
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 13: would have dad for a touchdown, but it was raining

1708
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 13: and it was windy. Josh as Iron got buffed because

1709
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 13: Kansas City's coming after him. Oh gay Man gave Davis

1710
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 13: is a couple other guys. We're runnerneath for five guys.

1711
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 13: All you eat is was grab grab a couple more.

1712
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:19,799
Speaker 13: You up the cloth. I'm talking about situational complimentary football

1713
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 13: from our coaching staff. We've seen them do some really

1714
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:26,599
Speaker 13: dumb stuff and blade plays, and that's every single time

1715
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 13: you make a little ball play, you'll you'll lose it.

1716
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 13: At the end of the game. They're only a couple

1717
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 13: of Bonne plays away from taking it all.

1718
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 2: All right, Mark, Mark, you're partly man markin Moore isn't

1719
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 2: over the game.

1720
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,680
Speaker 4: You're you're you're talking kind of talking out of both

1721
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 4: sides your mouth. Mark, You're saying that Josh is making

1722
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 4: you know, he's trying to throw this thing to the deep.

1723
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 4: Came when you got all these guys running underneath. Well,

1724
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 4: the guy who schemes those plays and calls those formations

1725
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 4: and personnel combinations and has those guys running five yards

1726
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 4: underneath are the same guys. You're your belly aching ab

1727
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 4: out Josh throwing it over the top. Listen, You're right,

1728
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 4: in certain situations, Josh got to make better decisions. The

1729
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:10,600
Speaker 4: guy leads the league in interceptions and he does it

1730
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 4: a lot, but he also leads in touchdowns he had.

1731
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 4: I don't want to get into that. Josh had a

1732
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 4: better He had more touchdowns and the same interceptions as

1733
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 4: the MVP and the Comeback Player of the Year combined.

1734
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 4: Josh was better than both of them. But he's got

1735
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 4: to be better in certain situations. That's not a Sean

1736
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 4: McDermott issue. That's not a Joe Brady issue. That's a

1737
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 4: Josh Allen issue, and Josh knows it. But here's the thing.

1738
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 2: Here's the thing.

1739
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 4: You know, there's nobody else are gonna put in there.

1740
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 4: You could make the case if you're gonna put this

1741
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 4: on the coaching here's the only way I can see

1742
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 4: myself doing that. You and I don't. And they do this,

1743
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 4: I know, but I'm saying it anyway as if they didn't.

1744
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 4: When Joe Brady's on the headset to Josh Allen, they'll

1745
01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 4: have some sayings that every single time Josh gets the play,

1746
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:05,639
Speaker 4: they'll say this, Hey, Josh, don't our guy or nobody.

1747
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 4: That means he's gonna throw it to our guy or nobody,

1748
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 4: or he will say, if you mean, Josh, just get

1749
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 4: the first down, take the easy one, and that's the play.

1750
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 4: He'll call the play, and it'll have a guy. It'll

1751
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 4: have Shaquille Shakir going deep down the post, down the middle,

1752
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 4: and he might snap open. But the last thing you

1753
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 4: want Josh to do is try that. What you're telling

1754
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 4: him right before you call the play is, hey, take

1755
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 4: the easy one, which means one of the three guys underneath.

1756
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 4: They tell Josh that they'll coach him up on that.

1757
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 4: If they don't do that, they should. And that's the

1758
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 4: only way you can put it on coaching, because those

1759
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 4: guys are there, they are running free. They are a

1760
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 4: choice that Josh could make, but he doesn't. And in

1761
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 4: some situations, actually most situations, Josh does it right.

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01:28:50,920 --> 01:29:09,640
Speaker 3: Gotta take a break closing it up after this, all right,

1763
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 3: we're just about out of time here on One Bill's

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01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 3: Live on a Tuesday. We'll be sure to catch you

1765
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 3: on Wednesday, same bad time, same bad channel, as we'll

1766
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 3: be joining you at one PM see if.

1767
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 2: We can't do a little more AFC East Talk. We'll

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01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 2: see you then.