1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: I never told you production of iHeart Radio. And we're 3 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: back with another episode of book Club. We did miss 4 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: last month because of chaos, chaos, general chaos that is 5 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: still going, ongoing, ongoing, So we did choose a shorter 6 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: book for today. Although I will say we do like 7 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: to highlight books of all. 8 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: Kinds, we haven't done one of these in a while. 9 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: Yes, I think we've only ever done one other children's 10 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: illustrated book. Yeah, the Girl who gave Note? 11 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: Was that the only one? Because I thought we did 12 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: another one because we don't even though it is like 13 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: children's end quote book, the Girl who gave No. We 14 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 2: knew it wasn't a children's right, but I felt like 15 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: we had done another one as well. Am I confused? 16 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: I might be confused. Did a lot of books? 17 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: We have said, a lot of books. 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: I love this. 19 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: I do too. I hope you listeners love it. I'm 20 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: always I'm happy with things I would have I would 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: never have read right, not for this segment, So I do. 22 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: I do appreciate it. I wish we could read. We've 23 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: said before, sometimes we are limited, and because we do 24 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: this once a month how long the books can be. 25 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 1: And there are plenty of books you listeners have sent 26 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: in and I'm like, yes, that one oh five hundred 27 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: pages that but please know, we do take your suggestions, 28 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: and some of them I've been like, I'm going to 29 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: read that se lately like it won't be an episode 30 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: on here, or maybe it will be, but I'm just 31 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: going to it's not I can't do it in like 32 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,559 Speaker 1: a week, right, So. 33 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: One day I think this is the main of his 34 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: existence when we're a six days a week podcast in 35 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: trying to stay up on top of things. The amount 36 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: of research that we have to do is because we 37 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: are our own researchers and all of that that we 38 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: don't have the hours in the days to do like 39 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: big projects like that unless we let split it up. 40 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: But one day, if we actually see that somehow for 41 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: some week reason that we are ahead, we will tackle 42 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: those books. 43 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, So don't stop sending the suggestion because again, even 44 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: if maybe we don't do them on here, I love 45 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: getting a book suggestion, and there are plenty that you 46 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: all have sent in. I'm like, oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, 47 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: But because the chaos of the previous month, the ongoing 48 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: Chaos and the Holidays. We did want to choose a 49 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: shorter book, but as I said, we also like doing 50 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of different things. So today we were talking 51 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: about the twenty nineteen Canadian children's picture book The Girl 52 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: and the Wolf, written by Catherina Vermetz and illustrated by 53 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: Julie Flett. It is beautifully illustrated and it's a lovely story. 54 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: Vermet is a may te writer from Treety One Territory 55 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: in Winnipeg, Manitoba, and Flett is a Red River may 56 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: tea and Swampy Cree artist and author. And Samantha, you 57 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: got this from your local library, did you not? 58 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: Well no, no no, So I cheated a little bit and 59 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: I bought it. But it was about as a used 60 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: book and is from a library, not our local library, 61 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: so it was in libraries, and you know how they 62 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: sell off their books. I got it that way because 63 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: I wanted a hard copy because I love a good 64 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: children's book anyway, so having this as a children's book 65 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: was fantastic because the art is gorgeous. I think we've 66 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: talked about this a lot in the past few episodes, 67 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: but I just really love when we have tales especially 68 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: like Native indigenous tales Nation tells that are so folkish 69 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: obviously traditional. This is not. I don't think this is 70 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: not traditional. I think she created this one correct. Yes, 71 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: but it feels as if it has a lineage to 72 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: the story. And I love the art that often is 73 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: depicted with it, especially with like the newer artists who 74 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: are translating what they hear. I love that. So having 75 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: that an actual hard copy that was from a library, 76 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,559 Speaker 2: it felt very nice. It smelled like a library do Yeah, yeah, 77 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: that is nice. It is. 78 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: It is really beautifully illustrated. And when I was reading it, 79 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: I kind of immediately was like, is this it's just 80 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: like Little Red writing Hood kind of sort of an 81 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: inverse because the main character the girls in Red, it's 82 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: a wolf. And the author did say in a short 83 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: interview at the back of my copy that European fairy 84 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: tales of the big bad wolf just didn't make sense 85 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: to her, that they were in fair to the wolf, 86 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: which I love. I also thought of the Boy who 87 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: Cried Wolf. But yeah, it's really I like the contrast 88 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: of the colors and it just paints like a really 89 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: good moving It does feel very like this is a 90 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: story you would tell your kids, and I think it's 91 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: a classic bound to be yes, but yeah. The author 92 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: did make clear that the story is inspired by other 93 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: traditional stories, but she made it up yes, so quite quickly. 94 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: The plot is that it follows a young girl in 95 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: a red cloak who is running in the woods, and 96 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: it ignores her mother's request to stay close. She gets 97 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: lost as the sun is going down. She starts to 98 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: worry when a wolf approaches her and ask her what's wrong. 99 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: He asked her what she's going to do, and she 100 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: responds she doesn't know. The wolf counters that you do know, 101 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: in fact, and instructs her to close her eyes and 102 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: think of what she does know. And the girl does, 103 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: and the wolf waits patiently, and the girl realizes she 104 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 1: does know that she can eat nearby berries and drink 105 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: the nearby water. The wolf ask her again what she's 106 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: going to do, and again the little girl says she 107 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: doesn't know. The wolf points out once again that she does, 108 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: and the girl thinks for a moment before realizing she 109 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: does recognize where they are. She starts running again until 110 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: she finds her mother, and she tells her mother about 111 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: the wolf, and her mother tells her that there are 112 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: legends about wolves helping those in need. The little girl 113 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: leaves a gift of tobacco for the wolf and thanks, 114 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: and tobacco is one of the four sacred medicines traditionally, 115 00:06:51,360 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: and that's it. It's a really impactful story in terms 116 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: of the empowerment of it of like the girl taking 117 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: that breath and thinking and realizing, yes, she does know, 118 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: she knows what's to do. Yeah, I'd say that that's 119 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: probably the biggest theme of this book, is doing it 120 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: for yourself, relying on your own knowledge and experience. And 121 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: when she's scared and she's sad, but she problem solves 122 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: and she doesn't let it overwhelm her. And I think 123 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: that's a really great powerful message for kids, right for adults. 124 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie moments of like with everything being 125 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: chaotic and feeling like you're alone and feeling like you're 126 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: in darkness and it's gonna consume you. Taking the time 127 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: to breathe and like like assess the environment. I think 128 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: that's a big conversation that we don't have enough of 129 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: of actually observing to figure out your solutions. In often times, 130 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: the solutions are there if you will think go through 131 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: it calmly, which is not an easy desk. 132 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: No, and especially in the context of this story, like 133 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: the sun is going down, she just has kind of 134 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: this this timeline of oh, I've got to figure this 135 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: out or it's going to be dark and more dangerous. 136 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: And I do like that about it too, is that 137 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: the wolf is a friend to her. But it's also 138 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: not painted as like the safest thing, like the breath, 139 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: like she smells meat on the breath, like it's not sanitized, 140 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: I guess, and like the dangers you know of Okay, 141 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: if I'm in the dark by the time, like when 142 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: the sun goes down, what am I going to do? 143 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: But she takes that and she concentrates, and she does 144 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: have this knowledge or these memories that help her help herself. 145 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: And I think, going back to your pointsman, that is 146 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: very It is difficult to do when you're panicking or 147 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: just overwhelmed, but it's something that we've learned in like 148 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,719 Speaker 1: when we've talked in our trauma episodes are even our 149 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: meditation episodes of observing, Yeah, like taking in like grounding 150 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: yourself and here and now and what can I do 151 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: here and now? Even if it is I can take 152 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: this next breath and I can like try to focus 153 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: and try to do this. I would say another big 154 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: theme is respecting nature, because a lot of it is 155 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: about nature. Like she knows about the berries, she knows 156 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: about the water. She finds the way back to her 157 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: mom based on some trees, and like her memories and 158 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: the wolf, the wolf being there, and I love that 159 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: her mother believes her, and it's like, yes, right, I've 160 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: heard the tales. The wolf helps sometimes of need. I 161 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: like that. It was just like, I'm glad you're back. 162 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: I believe you made it back. 163 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 2: She did a small like I told you not to 164 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 2: work play, I'm glad you made it back. I think 165 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 2: it's interesting because as much as I love these tales 166 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: and such, it's not necessarily for us. It is an 167 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 2: indigenous tale and in First nations, and I think it's 168 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: also the conversation of them understanding. And again this is 169 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 2: just me kind of like interpreting in my own way 170 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 2: of like this is a tale that she knows the 171 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: author and the illustrator in that they have been taught 172 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: through their culture and they're truly seeking their culture. That 173 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: all of these things are very important, which is not 174 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: always taught to us. Who are not a part of 175 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: the indigenous culture about the importance of nature and seeing 176 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 2: around your surroundings and appreciating your surroundings and instead of 177 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: seeing horror or chaos or threats, seeing that as attributes 178 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 2: to finding your way. And I think it could be 179 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: a part of that conversation is that we also know, 180 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 2: and we've talked about many times, especially with like activists 181 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: around the world, when we talk about the fact that 182 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: when it comes to indigenous people, First nations people, they 183 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: are intersectional because one of the biggest things that they understand, 184 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: beyond anything else, is that earth nature is a gift 185 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: and it is not being honored enough. And I think, 186 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 2: like we know that is their first point of understanding, 187 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: that this is a living, breathing thing that needs to 188 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: be respected and so if you truly respect it, it 189 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: will help you in return. So I feel like it's 190 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 2: a very indigenous tell in that way as well. 191 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, totally. Like so many times when we do 192 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: those episodes are over on the other show, I do 193 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: savor when we talk about indigenous food ways, it's almost 194 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: I mean, no surprise, but it's almost always like there 195 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: was never a problem with this until colonizers came in 196 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: and now, guess what, it's almost extinct. Like it's almost 197 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: always they add an understanding and a balance and a 198 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: respect for this is how much we can take and 199 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: that's it, and it more replenish. And then colonizers came 200 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: in and we're like, but I want more and more 201 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: and more and more and more, and then it's just depleted. 202 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: Now we have organizations and projects you can look up 203 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: that are really great that Indigenous people are doing to 204 00:12:54,280 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: try to bring back these lost foods that went almost 205 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: went extinct, or even the ways of cultivating them right. 206 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: And so it is like when you're talking about respecting 207 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: the nature and taking in your surroundings, that is a 208 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: very very indigenous story of actually paying attention right, actually 209 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: being in tune with things and using that knowledge and 210 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: understanding the truth of it. Because like I said, I 211 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: kind of love that the wolf is helpful, but it's 212 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: also clear that it is dangerous in a way like 213 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: you respect it, like okay, I just I love that 214 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: aspect of it. It didn't feel at all threatening, where 215 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: it's like you've got like the little red riding Hood 216 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: very threatening the wolf. 217 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. There are a couple of moments 218 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 2: of like, is this gonna turn scary? Like I was 219 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 2: waiting for just a few seconds, Like when he's like 220 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 2: closing your eyes, I was like, oh no, we don't 221 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 2: close your eyes. There was a couple of moments of like, no, 222 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: don't do that. Oh okay, okay, this is good, this 223 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 2: is all right, all right. 224 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: I got you. 225 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: Another big part of I think indigenous culture is wisdom 226 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: and being led. And even though she was the one 227 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: that made the choices and she was the one that 228 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: really had to cipher through her understanding and her knowledge, 229 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: it does still lead her and it does still kind 230 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 2: of guide her. And I think that's like a conversation 231 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: about ancestral teachings and about respecting ancestry as well as 232 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: respecting your elders in some respect. And I think that's 233 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: that conversation too with to see that in indigenous people, 234 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: which is how they keep their cultural alive, and which 235 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: is how they're keeping their culture alive, is to remember 236 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: and to respect the ancestral ways and traditions. And I 237 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: think it kind of represents that in that manner because 238 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: we know wolves can be cunning and whys and all 239 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: of those things, but also dangerous, like it is unpredictable sometimes. Yeah, 240 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: But with that though, if you truly lean on it 241 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: in the correct way with respect that it does, it 242 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 2: will lead and guide you. Like there's this level of 243 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: understanding and importance in that as well, like as a 244 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 2: combination of both reliance on yourself but also remembering and 245 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 2: learning from tradition, which is not a bad thing. 246 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And that's one of the reasons I love 247 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: when she gets back and she tells her mom, and 248 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: her mom is like, yeah, I believe you, but she 249 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: also does do that like, yes, you shouldn't have run away, 250 00:15:54,640 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: but it's like a it's like a good she learned 251 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: this lesson and she did take into account those traditions 252 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: that maybe she's heard growing up and just this respect 253 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: for nature. And because of that she was able to 254 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: get out of this situation and get back and get 255 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: a little talking to from her mom. But like, I 256 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: like that mix of don't do that again, but you learned, 257 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: You learned, and you were able to get out of 258 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: that situation because you listened and you learned. And that 259 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: is a big part of a lot of indigenous cultures, 260 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: is that like telling of stories and listening and taking 261 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: that in and then also how she gives the gifts 262 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: at the end to the wolf, like a very traditional 263 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: powerful gift showcases this listening to the earth, respecting all 264 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: of that stuff, like I know, I know what the 265 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: value of this was, and I'll give back in this way. 266 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: And that's another thing going back to our current issues 267 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: around climate change and all of the damage that's been 268 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: done of like having this knowledge of I realize, like 269 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: I realize what nature has given me and I respect it, 270 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: and here's a gift of my acknowledgment. I think that's 271 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: that's a great lesson too, And especially I don't have 272 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: talked about food a lot, but this just comes up 273 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: a lot and savor. But like you know, where a 274 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: lot of us are cut off from where our food 275 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: comes from, a lot of us are cut off from nature, 276 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: and so having this moment of like recognizing nothing comes 277 00:17:54,480 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: without any price, and we need to respect that and 278 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: take that into account when we're moving about in the 279 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: world and trying to survive in the world. Right. 280 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 2: I wonder too, if like the author was trying to 281 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 2: kind of give a perspective as some of the cultural 282 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 2: aspects of like you know, tobacco being very important to 283 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: the Metese people, and feeling as if like she kind 284 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 2: of wanted to sneak that in for those who aren't 285 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: aware of that culture, because she doesn't really talk about 286 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: when this tale would have taken place or what culture 287 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 2: is taking place in it. She just like kind of 288 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 2: generically makes it a children's tale until the end and 289 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 2: you figure out her origins in her background and then 290 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,239 Speaker 2: the illustrator's background, then you're like, oh, okay, Like if 291 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 2: you just walked in on it with just like, oh, 292 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: this is a nice children's tale, and of course expecting 293 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 2: like maybe it's a like a rendition of little Red 294 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 2: riding Hood, and then seeing what it was like, I 295 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 2: think it's nice to add those kind of elements to 296 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: that and making sure that it is a shown as 297 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 2: separate than a European tale. 298 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean I certainly was like 299 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: I immediately looked at the colors of the Little Red Road, 300 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: But then I really loved this take on that clearly 301 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: acknowledging that a lot of us might think that first, right, 302 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: And I like this take on. At the end, she 303 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: thanks the wolf for the knowledge and for the help 304 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: and for showing her for reminding her that she she 305 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: had the tools she needed because she has listened, she 306 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: has paid attention. I really enjoyed it. I thought it 307 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: was a great story. I wish I had read it 308 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: when I was a kid. 309 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: Right. It was one of those moments I did pick 310 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 2: up the picture book and I was like, I'm gonna 311 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 2: read a lot of peaches like she's a child, because 312 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: I felt like I needed to do that. Yeah, I didn't, Listeners, 313 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 2: I didn't, but I really wanted to. And then just 314 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: showed her all the pretty pictures. Do you want me 315 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 2: to read? You tell? She did not care. Oll, she 316 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 2: was not appreciative, she was not the wolf for me. 317 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: Not helpful anyway, there's a lesson to be learned from 318 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: that as well. 319 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: She does have the meat breath though, so there's that. 320 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: There we go, there we go. Well, yeah, listeners, I 321 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: highly recommend checking it out. And if you have any 322 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: suggestions for books of any type, because yes, we do 323 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: like to do all kinds of things on this on 324 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: this segment, please let us know. You can email us 325 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: at Stephanie momstephan atiheartmedia dot com. 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