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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast is baking Money Moves. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Nanzas, and I'm joined by the

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Speaker 1: room that is just teeming with heroes. They are everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler back from overseas, Chris Westling wearing a velvet

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Speaker 1: smoking jacket, Colleen Wolf right in the middle of the action,

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Speaker 1: and Greg Rosenthal to my right. What's up people? Hey? Dan,

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Speaker 1: whoa big full house. Welcome back, Marky, Thank you good

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Speaker 1: to be here. Missed you look refreshed. We missed you

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Speaker 1: as well. You looked tan too. That's from yesterday, sitting

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Speaker 1: in my yard, not from anywhere else, falling asleep in

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Speaker 1: my yard. What do you think about west trying to

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Speaker 1: upstage you with the velvet jacket on your big day back?

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Speaker 1: I mean about you west Is uh sort of the

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Speaker 1: uptick in west Is fashion collection has been marvelous in general,

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Speaker 1: So I think it's I prove it entirely. I like

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Speaker 1: that there's there's something to you right now. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's just a little subdued or just a

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Speaker 1: man at peace, but there's something. Honestly, it was I

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Speaker 1: was talking to calling it was about this morning that

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Speaker 1: I did not feel entirely mentally um broken from the

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Speaker 1: jet leg I stopped from the way back, so I'm

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Speaker 1: still crawling out of it. How much? How long was

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Speaker 1: the flight? What are we talking here? The flight was?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like it was in airports and

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Speaker 1: airplanes for like sixteen to seventeen hours, but it's a

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Speaker 1: nine hour time split, and there was not a lot

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Speaker 1: and so it was a bit of a rugged departure.

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Speaker 1: We'll put it this way. Carlos Dunlap was going wild

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Speaker 1: that night. Carlos Dunlap is a good guy. He's he

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Speaker 1: could do whatever he wants. A little later in the show,

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Speaker 1: we are going to uh find out more about Mark's

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Speaker 1: USO trip that took him to Italy and Germany. Those

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Speaker 1: either country, but they both seemed wonderful. Uh and uh

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Speaker 1: a press conference with Mark Sessler about his USO trip.

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Speaker 1: So get ready for that, Mark, I'm gonna prepare right now. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Also today's show, UH, we are going to talk about

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Speaker 1: Khalil Mack. He wants to get paid. There was a

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Speaker 1: h a notable slash controversial offensive lineman who announced he'll

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Speaker 1: be stepping away from the game. Uh. And with the

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Speaker 1: draft now, I don't know, three weeks, three weeks from tomorrow, right,

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Speaker 1: two weeks from tomorrow. Oh my goodness, we figured better

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Speaker 1: bone up, especially with these big quarterbacks in this draft.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna go through these big names, starting with

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Speaker 1: a discussion on Sam Donald with Rhodo World's Josh Norris,

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Speaker 1: who I always mistakenly called John Norris, Uh, the former

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Speaker 1: MTV vj Uh. But no, that is not his name,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think they're related. Josh Norris on the show,

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Speaker 1: former colleague of both Greg and West's That's true Brick

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Speaker 1: by Brick and a colleague of Kay Adams. Okay, NBCs

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Speaker 1: own former NBC employee k Adams as well, now an

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Speaker 1: NFL network was on Good Morning Football yesterday, Josh. But

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Speaker 1: I would assume this will be a much bigger platform

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Speaker 1: landing spot for him in his mind. Okay, but before

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Speaker 1: will do some news. Oh, it's good to have the

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Speaker 1: team back together. Let's go lendsay Tom. The history is

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Speaker 1: very this is an outrage. What I can't curse and

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Speaker 1: this is awful one no, no, no, no, we couldn't

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Speaker 1: hear because you were so very rich on it. That,

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Speaker 1: of course is Colleen in her younger years. Uh, when

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Speaker 1: she was employee for the Pocono damn it, Lindsay, and

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Speaker 1: I should say, Pocono what the Pocono Tourism Board us.

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Speaker 1: Look it up on you you can find this on like, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's great. Did these are the skeletons that I have?

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Speaker 1: I did get a text from your husband, Gonzo privately

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Speaker 1: encouraging anymore talk about it. Yeah. Really, yeah, he encouraged it.

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Speaker 1: That's the only reason this happened. Really, there will be

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Speaker 1: an inquisition as this is. This is a room full

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Speaker 1: of people, probably almost a nation full of people that

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Speaker 1: know so little about Buckhill. You guys, all right, let's

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Speaker 1: get into the news. Nice course very soon. Got to

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Speaker 1: love the Pocono's history. Oh my god, very rich here.

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing the up to the minute, I'm not

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Speaker 1: doing that. Did I tell you, Linds, And I tell

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Speaker 1: Raiders pass fresh for Khalil Mack a no show. This

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Speaker 1: week for the start of the Raiders voluntary workouts. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Guy wants his money. He's slated to earn thirteen point

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Speaker 1: think Khalil Mack is that level of player? Sixty five

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Speaker 1: The first nice use have packed? I like it when

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Speaker 1: von Miller's level, And Greg might disagree with me. Raiders

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Speaker 1: is the better player, and sixty five million seems like

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Speaker 1: von Miller, who signed two years ago. That makes sense

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Speaker 1: There was a thought that maybe Aaron Donald's gonna wait

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Speaker 1: an interesting test for Gruden, you know, to deal with

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Speaker 1: And now you've got to give this guy some cash. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you up to the minute hit. Um. Yeah, Like, honestly,

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00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: how cool would it be if on a like a

426
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: Thursday night game, Jets Pats Pats in the old pat

427
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 1: Patriot uniforms, Jets in the green with the eighties like, uh,

428
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: streak of the Jet, let's have some fun, let's mix

429
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: it up. I well, the the Browns are trying to

430
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: trade like completely read the uniforms because they are hard

431
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: on the eyes, no doubt, and they're like, oh, we're

432
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 1: gonna use next season in any way possible to use

433
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: old uniforms, and I thought it would maybe be color rushed. Well,

434
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: you can't take away options, We can't look at that

435
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: uniform anymore. Get new stuff in there for all these teams.

436
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: Some of these teams uniforms are utter disaster. Like the

437
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: conversation around this this story on Tuesday, combined with the

438
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: furor over the draft hats that were released, it's got

439
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: a lot of buzz. That was this week's sign that

440
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: the NFL is king. It's like, oh, yeah, it's a

441
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: dying sport, but you've got like the most two trending

442
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: topics on Twitter are about like uniform and hat changes.

443
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: Although I would say like this to three week period

444
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: leading up to the draft. I wrote about this on

445
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: my mail bag today, which you could check out at

446
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: NFL dot com slashas um. Let's if I took over

447
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: as like the emperor of the NFL, Let's just move

448
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: the draft up first week of April. It's needless, it's interminable.

449
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: Let's just move it up the first week of April.

450
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: I like the break. I feel like the owners meetings,

451
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: especially since we went that's like the end of our

452
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: season and we need a little We need a little time,

453
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: like to go to Europe or whatnot. We need a

454
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 1: little break. West Coast. I've been I've been here. It

455
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: hasn't been crazy. Get a little calmness, and then the

456
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: draft will be here soon. Coaches won't do it because

457
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: they'll say half of them haven't even checked out these players.

458
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: If this was debated, yeah, I mean, it's hideous. This

459
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: month of just like tearing down prospects for no reason.

460
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: It's it's hideous. Get rid of it. I can't drill

461
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: any more mock drafts. I don't want to see them.

462
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: I don't care what your mock draft is. And I

463
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: didn't say it. I didn't say commissioner said emperor. So

464
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: basically would be like the draft is now April second,

465
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: figure out, you're just figure it out. Also, emperors don't

466
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: have to debate, right, just emperors by fiat. Well, I

467
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: think if you really look at the trends going on

468
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: in the world right now, a lot of authoritarian leaders

469
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: taken over a lot of concern about that. I think

470
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: you have you have a chance dance. Yeah, we're just

471
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: saying the climate is right. How did you go combine

472
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: for your time? Combine wraps on what usually like a

473
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,239
Speaker 1: Tuesday draft that Thursday. Listen, get your back together. Hey,

474
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: you want to be a great team. Figure it out

475
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: over forty eight hour period, which players you like from

476
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: the combine which just one ten day event, and then

477
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: everyone's done with it. To see you and see you

478
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: in auguste. The owners meetings that you refer to, cancel them,

479
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: that's not necessaries. Don't need those. Send me the swag

480
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: bag of the bag of good swe But the owners

481
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: meetings could be a conference call on a quiet Tuesday.

482
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: You should definitely run for emperor. There's no running just

483
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: installed were just a military and win right, you have

484
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: to do it within this system. It's like like in Hungary,

485
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: you know, and then eventually suddenly you're the only the

486
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: option that they can vote for, and it's like, hey,

487
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: I'm a democratically elected leader. I got a hundred percent

488
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: of the vote campaign though, that's what's happening in the news. Okay, okay,

489
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: Now it's time UH to open up a press conference.

490
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler uh at the podium, back from his USO trip,

491
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: Um Mark the floor is yours first question? Who's got one? Okay?

492
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: I got I got one here? Mark. I saw a

493
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: lot of pick sures of you on social media where

494
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: you were at dinner and you were drinking and it

495
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: looked like you were having a good time. What was

496
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: the most bizarre conversation you had with anyone woof the

497
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: last night? Some definitely, some conversations got bizarre and a

498
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: little off the record. But I don't know about bizarre.

499
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: But listening to Rex Ryan talk for like twenty or

500
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: thirty minutes where he gets fired up about something and

501
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: it's some stuff that I would have to tell you

502
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 1: over beers myself. Rex Ryan is an incredible chatter. He

503
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: had like he mesmerized a table of like five or

504
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: six people where they were just like staring at him

505
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: as he was on a riff. He's very good at that.

506
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: I got a question, yes, Um, Rex, in that recorded

507
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: message that you sent to us, which was well done,

508
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: they're great reporting, Um, did you pick up did you

509
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: sense did he have any conversations where he really got

510
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: into how much he misses being a coach and how

511
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: serious he may be about returning to the game. I think, yeah,

512
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: he's he's set. He's been a coach for thirty years,

513
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: and I think it's hard for him. Came from a

514
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: coaching family. I got the sense that he does miss it.

515
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: I think he said that to you guys directly in

516
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 1: that message, and that came across a couple of times West,

517
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: considering your creative proclivities as a drinker and Rex Ryan's

518
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: bulletire nature. Was there any thing that happened that had

519
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: the potential? Didn't obviously I've had the potential to sort

520
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: of blow up into an international incident. Uh, there was

521
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 1: a lot of I would say, so, you know, off

522
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: off when the day of the work Davis done, when

523
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: you go from one place to the next, which happened

524
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: a couple of times, Um, the conversing with people in

525
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: the streets, because you're walking around with like five or

526
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: six human giants. I mean, Rex Ryan is huge himself,

527
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: and Rex Ryan is noticeable and so constantly getting stopped.

528
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: No incidents, though they were all um. I thought as

529
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: the night went on, they got more pleasant to each

530
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: of these. I was more referring to whether you were

531
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: oh no, no know I no, no, no, because I

532
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: rants about how his you know, he loved the media

533
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: a little too much. Back into that. I made it no,

534
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: I made it very I made it put a check

535
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: on myself to keep my act together the best I

536
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: could governor until the very end. Mark Mark, all right, Dan, Greg,

537
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: what is this first grade you call on people? I mean,

538
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: this is not a part. I don't know how it

539
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: works you. We'll tell us more about that. Last night, well,

540
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: the last night we went into what you're supposed to

541
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: talk about. Last night last night we went we were finished.

542
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: And it's been a long week. And these guys, especially

543
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: having to sort of they were almost like everywhere they went,

544
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: people wanted to take photos with them, have them hold babies,

545
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: have them chat about a million things that I think

546
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: everyone kind of they did an awesome job, and when

547
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: we got to the end we were kind of free.

548
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: The whole group too. We have the plane the next morning,

549
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: you just go out and have fun. We went. We

550
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: went into Frankfurt, which was like an hour forty minutes

551
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: or so from where we were, and let it rip.

552
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: It was fantas plastic. It was a fun time. Talk

553
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: about Dan, talk about mark Ingram. I love mark Ingram.

554
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: He's just like all these guys none of them knew

555
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: each other. They they none of them knew each other

556
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: going in, which like by twenty four hours in was

557
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: shocking to me because they were all like kind of

558
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: ripping on each other and having fun the way that

559
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: we would if we went out and hung out. Mark

560
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: Ingram especially, I just think has I was told before

561
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: and He's really gonna be like the like a fun

562
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: element of this and it never ended, and it has

563
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: It's one thing, the little stuff that we sent out,

564
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: But him just in general was had people rolling. They're

565
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: all funny though he was, he was easily one of

566
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: the most entertaining people I've been around. Who was another

567
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: under the radar on under the radar, Liketavius Murray's funny

568
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: I think all of them the Carlos dunlap Is is

569
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: a quieter guy, but when awesome dude, like they're all

570
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: they were. They got a good group. None of them

571
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: were boring. They were all kind of like taking their

572
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: turns dropping bombs. Som um. Did you share any appetizers

573
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: with anyone that was I think I had to recover

574
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: early on because when I kind of mentioned that I

575
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: was a vegetarian at the first restaurant, I think everyone's

576
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: just like, please, who is this guy? And they and

577
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: these guys can eat. Man, they're ordering like like a appetizers,

578
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: then a main dinner and then like a giant fish

579
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: would come by that they'd carve up and all like

580
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: they can eat and they need that. They that's part

581
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: of their off. Sat tells me you weren't giving like

582
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: Carlos dunlap the derisive mocking and you know, I was

583
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: about how much meat that he was like, oh, you

584
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: guys eating your cow and testines. I didn't got that.

585
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: I kept a lid on that stuff thoroughly. I'll go west.

586
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: Knowing in the past you're a bit of a free

587
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: range traveler. You like to go off on your own

588
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: and explore. Was there any like little place in Germany

589
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: or Italy that became a favorite of yours. Well, we

590
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: were on the move NonStop, and so I didn't actually personally,

591
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: I think these guys who are armed with a little

592
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: bit more cash than I am and a little bit

593
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: more wherewithal a little bit more. Yeah, they they went

594
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 1: off on some some little voyages, but not not so

595
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: much for me. What were you doing during that time then,

596
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: like when they were on voyages, like sleeping's the guy

597
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: that's sleeping right on the keeping it was? It didn't

598
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: leave it for in the afternoon they would leave. I'm

599
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: getting answers. Yeah, there were other people hanging out with

600
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: us too. Did you meet any podcast fans? You know?

601
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: I did not. I thought that especial Germany. I thought

602
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: about early, but I thought in Germany that that that

603
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: we would But um no, And it was clear that

604
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: it was clear that the players and Rex Ryan also

605
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: had literally no concept of our podcast going in either.

606
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: So it is quite a footprint to war from Mark two,

607
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: more from Mark one, more from Mark Germany or Italy?

608
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: Germany you have to go back. I would move to

609
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: Germany tonight. Alright, do it again? Yes, I want guys,

610
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: he's got to go. I have a quick one. Did

611
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: you meet any this is this is the side like

612
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: this the um No, I don't think I did. The

613
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: entire time, they somehow like a ton of Saints fans.

614
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: It was all pretty NFC South heavy group of players,

615
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: and those people maybe were the ones that were wearing

616
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: their jerseys and stuff. But I didn't meet any. I

617
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: think people that when you lead the country, you probably

618
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: leave the Browns behind as well. That's shocking because I

619
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: know they have like crazy Brown's backers bars all over

620
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: the country, right, I don't. Yeah, I was, those have

621
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: all shuttered. You're right, you're right, So no, it didn't happen. Alright,

622
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: good good presser, and I am looking forward to the

623
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: over drinks conversation. Mark, that is the one that is

624
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: the one where I really feel like, well here, so

625
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: you're that guarded, you're like, uh first, I mean I

626
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: wasn't there as like some sort of heat seeking football information. Man.

627
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to tear that up now. So shout

628
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: out to Germany. My dad was born there, my brother

629
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: is strangely a citizen of Germany. Also, my family is

630
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: from Wesley in Germany. That's Marks and I did ask West.

631
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: I don't have to. We were like some of the

632
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: people that you drove my family out of the country.

633
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: That's true the history. Okay, all right, let's move on.

634
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: This will be the most important draft like ever dam Giarno,

635
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: oh sorry, six ft three, grandson of Dick Hammer, a

636
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Speaker 1: former Marlborough man and a former Olympian. His name is

637
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Speaker 1: Sam Donald. And he could go in the top three.

638
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: He could go number one, he can go maybe number four,

639
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: probably not, but it's wide open with Sam Donald, who

640
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: is the USC quarterback that about a year ago, Mark

641
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: and hopeless Jets and scamp for Sam and all that

642
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: he was the guy that was the clear cut number one,

643
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: it seemed, but now it's less clear. Mark. Before we

644
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: get Josh Norris on the phone, I just want to

645
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: touch base with you. Get a temperature check, because if

646
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: you go back to the Sam Donald pro day, uh,

647
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: there was a lot of reports out there that Jimmy

648
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: Haslum was having dinner with the parents and the entire

649
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: Brown's organization had gone to USC, and it seemed in

650
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,959
Speaker 1: that moment that this was gonna be a done deal.

651
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: But now again there seems to be some murkiness. Do

652
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: you want Sam Donald to be their first pick? Josh

653
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: Allen is getting more buzz right now. But for me,

654
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: I like they I have tru They have like eight

655
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: people on their payroll scouting this. Get the right guy, please.

656
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: You've drafted twelve quarterbacks in the in this millennium and

657
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: it's all been you don't care who they I honestly,

658
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: because I mean, you know, I trust them to get

659
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: it right. Just don't just don't get it wrong. Yeah,

660
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not scouting these guys, but you

661
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: don't have a preference like you don't in your mind.

662
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: You're not like I I would like. Josh Allen if

663
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: nothing else is gonna be more controversial and certainly not

664
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: as popular a pick with the media. Does that Does

665
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: that impact you at all? I mean, I think if

666
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: he's five weeks into him playing and he's good, it's

667
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: gonna shut everyone up. I just get the right guy, please. Okay. So,

668
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: speaking of Josh Norris of Rotal World of NBC Sports,

669
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: he joins us now on the line, welcome to me

670
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: around the NFL podcast. Josh, Hello, beautiful people, how are you.

671
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's ever happened before. That was

672
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,959
Speaker 1: a nice way to start the conversation. He's clearly never

673
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: you know, seen video of the of the show. Right,

674
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: You're beating yourself up a lot. Today's just accept that

675
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: Reg is down on his own looks. But I think

676
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: Greg is a pretty debonair looking gun. That's how he

677
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: got That's how he got the nickname Cute Boys cut.

678
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: Now we're all feeling good about ourselves. Hey, Josh, good

679
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: to see it. Like, Uh, Josh is a what would

680
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: be the title the draft analyst? What? I'm a guy

681
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: who watches football and talks about it, And that's the

682
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: guy that we want because uh, full disclosure, Josh, we

683
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: are not college experts, so we wanted to bring one in.

684
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: And we're gonna go through each of the quarterbacks that

685
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: are getting the most buzz leading up to April. And

686
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: I guess a good way to start is, what is

687
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: your overall feeling on Uh, Sam Donald who has been

688
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: positively connected to an Andrew Luck type talent? Is he

689
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: that type of guy to you? Or much less than that?

690
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: Or maybe more I would say less? Um. Look, Andrew

691
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: Luck coming out of school was about as easy as

692
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 1: evaluation as you could find right. Um, Sam Donald's kind

693
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: of all over the place. Uh if you look, and really,

694
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: when you talk about evaluating quarterbacks, it kind of starts

695
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: from the bottom and then you work up. Um Like,

696
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: his footwork is all over the place. Sometimes his feet

697
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: are pointing in completely different directions. His base is not

698
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: balanced at all. But with that said, his arm is

699
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: an absolute canon and completely compensates for a lot of

700
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: his you know, mechanical and technical deficiencies. I'm no coach.

701
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: I don't subscribe to mechanical Twitter, okay, but I I

702
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: just know that he dangerous out there in the mechanical

703
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 1: Twitter playing the quarterback position than a lot of others.

704
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: But once that ball leaves his hand and is beautiful.

705
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: So again, he's a super young quarterback as well. I'm

706
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: sure we'll get into that, but I would not not

707
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: put him in the same tier as Andrew Luck. He's

708
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: got the mechanics issues, he's got a history of turnovers, Um,

709
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: he's got the history of USC quarterbacks working against him.

710
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: Obviously a talented guy, but why specifically is he r

711
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: He seems to be rated higher in the minds of

712
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: most people than Josh Roseen. Why is that? Yeah, I'm

713
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: not sure if I can tell you because I I

714
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: have Josh Rosen as the number one quarterback in this class,

715
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: but if I were to put myself in that position, Um, look,

716
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: I don't know Josh Rosen at all, and I'm sure

717
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: you guys have covered this topic a lot. But for

718
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: some reason, there's like this narrative out there that he

719
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: might not get along with everyone. Um look, West, you

720
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: know two people might meet you and they'll obviously have

721
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: a different opinion. I've had death threats. Maybe that was

722
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: the wrong example, but but again with Sam Donald, we

723
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: go back to it. Right, If he starts in week one,

724
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: which you wanted to go as the Browns or any

725
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: other team really, then he'll be the youngest player ever

726
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: to do so at quarterback. Isn't that crazy? But but

727
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: there are as you mentioned. I mean, he turned the

728
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: football over or put it on the ground like twenty

729
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: five times, twelve fumbles, thirteen interceptions on the lost nine

730
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: of these sumples that still putting on the ground is

731
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: what matters. But it's it's one of those pieces of

732
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: clay that a team thinks that they can coach up right,

733
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: believing in your own coaches and I guess I could

734
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: see that he has a higher ceiling than a Josh Rosen,

735
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: who is a what you see is what you get,

736
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: tight playing and play out. Um. Meanwhile, Donald is kind

737
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: of all over the place, um and create some big,

738
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: big plays out of absolutely nothing because he does combine

739
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: mobility with a cannon for an arm. You don't even

740
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: have him in the top twenties, so you don't think

741
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen and Sam Donald are close by that you know, evaluation,

742
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: Rosen is your number one player. I'm looking at your

743
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: big board on rotor world dot com. People can check

744
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: it out, and Donald is your number two quarterback. But

745
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: you have him twenty one overall, kind of in a

746
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 1: cluster with Mayfield and Lamar Jackson. So that's putting Rosen

747
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: on a totally different level. I'm guessing is that you

748
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: just think Donald has a much bigger sort of boom

749
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: bust potential. And just to give it a little more

750
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: context with Josh, once you get to twenty one on

751
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: Josh's big board, you don't even get a blurb anymore. Yeah,

752
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: that's true. That that's pretty hard. So that's just like

753
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: a blurb that's that's calling me out from work. And

754
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: my work that will change very soon. Know what what

755
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: is with Josh Rosen what I see on the field,

756
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily see a fatal flaw to his game.

757
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: Sure off of it and with the injuries, with the

758
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: concussions of the shoulder, there might be, but I don't

759
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: know those things. I don't have a lab code, right,

760
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor when I go home at night

761
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: with with with Sam Donald, there are fatal flaws potentially

762
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: to his game, okay, And it all comes from his

763
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 1: base and his tendency to turn the football over. Because

764
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: if he kind of continues on this path of being

765
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: reckless with the football, and if his mechanics and his

766
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: technique kind of allow him to be put into poor situations,

767
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: There's only so much again that your arm can do.

768
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: It was able to do it in college, and so

769
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm not saying completely overhaul him. It's it's, honestly, guys,

770
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: a very similar evaluation to me. Like with Patrick Mahomes

771
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: coming out of school last year. I'm not sure if

772
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: that's a comparison, You'll hear a lot, but remember with Holmes,

773
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: he was you know, termed or compared to to Brett

774
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: far It's kind of a gunslinger mentality who you might

775
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: have to reel end. I'm not sure you have to

776
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: reel Sam Donald in as much as as you need

777
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: to work around his flaws and his tendencies. Um, because again,

778
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't think even as hard as you work, you

779
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: can completely change a mechanics of a quarterback. I guess

780
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: i'd ask because John Dorsey was attached to the Chiefs

781
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: front office that traded up former homes, and from what

782
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: little you know about Dorsey, I mean, who do you

783
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: think that he actually likes here? Is he going to

784
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: Is it is this Josh Allen buzz of late? Does

785
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: that have more credence than Sam Donald? Or is it's

786
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: is it all? Or they may be quietly looking at

787
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: Rose and behind all of this, and there's a lot

788
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: of nonsense out there trying to get someone a trade up.

789
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: I really think it comes down to two names, and

790
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: it comes down to Josh Allen, it comes down to

791
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: same Donald. I mean, you guys know how quickly things

792
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: can change in a week. Right like after Sam Donald's

793
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: pro day, it was basically written in permanent marker by

794
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: you know, three prestigious draft analysts that he was going

795
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: to be the number one pick. Meanwhile, in the past

796
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: couple of days it's been Josh Allen. Uh, I have

797
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: no idea, and I have no idea why though the

798
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: Browns might lie in this scenario, because since you're at

799
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: the number one pick and everyone knows you how to

800
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: take a quarterback, you select the one that's number one

801
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: your board and you just go from there. Um. But yeah,

802
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: from from his background with drafting Patrick Mahomes and moving

803
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: up for Patrick Mahomes, either of these quarterbacks may since

804
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: but I easily easily prefer same Donald over Josh Allen. Josh,

805
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: have you noticed his like his throwing motion that he has.

806
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: He has like a little bit of a looping throwing motion.

807
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: Have you noticed any of that on tape? And how

808
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: do you think that that will sort of translate? Yeah,

809
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: you know where it pops up more often is these

810
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: fumbles right, Like, since he kind of drops it below

811
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: his waist, it will get knocked out in the pocket.

812
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: And absolutely how he carries his carriage in terms of

813
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: where he moves the ball as he's moving around in

814
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: the pocket. Um, you know what, his motion might be elongated,

815
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: but I would say his release is quick. Um. Yeah,

816
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: and as much as people might want to change that

817
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: like they did with Tebow. Really, the only person I've

818
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: ever seen change their throwing motion is Aaron Rodgers. Maybe

819
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: you guys can correct me on that, but and that

820
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: took what multi years of work, and just with quarterbacks now,

821
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: we don't see them wait and sit that long. So

822
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: I'm not one who thinks he has to change that,

823
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: because again, once the ball leaves his hands, the velocity

824
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: and the placement and accuracy he puts on it at

825
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: really every level of the field that compensates for that

826
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: kind of loopy, windy throwing motion. Um, I would be

827
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: much more concerned with his feet that really are like

828
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: hands on the clock and pointing in completely different directions.

829
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 1: It's one of the craziest things of everything in there

830
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: that I'm surprised you're not higher on him, Josh, just

831
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: because it's it sure seems like he shows some of

832
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: the things that you can't teach, not just that he

833
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: can create plays like like and Andrew Luck, but that

834
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: he anticipates, you know, that he that he goes through

835
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 1: his reads pretty quickly, like guys in the NFL don't

836
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: do that. And what I've seen from him is that

837
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: he he can do that. He reminds me of Jamis

838
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: Winston coming out a little bit, not that I watched

839
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: Jamis Winstead a ton in college, but because of the turnovers,

840
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: which maybe is just something that is part of your game,

841
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: and it's still part of Jamis Winston's, but it's that

842
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: those are things that you kind of can't teach. And

843
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: it seemed to me like the the USC receivers kind

844
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: of killed Sam Donald that they did. They did him

845
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: no favors and he probably would have had a much

846
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: better season if not for them. You're absolutely right. And

847
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: actually a few months ago recorded podcast with Matt Waldman,

848
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: who we talked about Jamis Winston in reference to Sam Donald. Um.

849
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: And it's what's interesting with Jamis though, Greg, and I'm

850
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: sure all of you can touch on this. What Dirt

851
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: Cutter is trying to do with him is really men

852
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: a little bit, right, Like they're trying to prevent him

853
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: from making these mistakes and wanting wanting him to be

854
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: more a game manager rather than kind of righting the

855
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: wave with him, right like, you know, he might thank

856
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: you on a few drives, make some awful mistakes, but

857
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: at the same time he's gonna hit some home runs,

858
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: some big time throws that other quarterbacks won't and same Donald,

859
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: as you said, is exactly the same um. This year,

860
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: he as we talked about, he was much more turnover prone.

861
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 1: And there are other instances where he acts completely poised

862
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: that he sits inside of structure, looks off that first

863
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: read that's not there, and anticipates a crossing route over

864
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: the middle. But then other times when that first read

865
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: is not there, he just completely drops his eyes and

866
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: moves around. Again, we're talking about a super young quarterback

867
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: who makes mistakes, and hopefully those mistakes um aren't aren't

868
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: compounded and added on to and instead he can kind

869
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 1: of just learn from him and just go the next snap.

870
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: Do you think this was a guy Donald and he's

871
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 1: not even gonna be twenty one until June that could

872
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: have used another year in college or do you think

873
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: these same problems probably would have followed him to the

874
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: draft next season. Yeah, I mean at some point there's

875
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: only so much coaching he can get at the college level.

876
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: I mean what's interesting with Donald is his process is

877
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 1: so different even from high school than a Josh Rosen Right,

878
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: And if we can talk about them coming out of

879
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: the same state. Josh Rosen was the top high school

880
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: recruit coming out of college. Meanwhile, believe, and I'm not

881
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: big into high school recruiting, but Sam donald Is was

882
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: like a three star recruit and actually, guys played linebacker

883
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: I believe until his junior year of FOW so it's

884
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: not like he's spent again a long time at this position.

885
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: He reminds me a lot of Tony Romo again and

886
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: how he moves and Matt Waldman used this term, but

887
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: he has like a get or done mentality at the

888
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: quarterback position. All these things can go crazy, and again

889
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: it's it's probably because he hasn't spent a lot of

890
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: time at quarterback, but once it leaves his hands, it's beautiful.

891
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: He's just a linebacker playing quarterback. He's a football player.

892
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna hear that nobody's coming after you know, Lamar

893
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: Jackson catching, he'd alcome, Nobody's coming after donald that he

894
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: should be a linebacker. Like, what's that about? I will

895
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: say this, guys, there is actually a linebacker slash quarterback

896
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: prospect in this class. His name is Landing out of

897
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: Iowa State and was listed at both positions. But he's

898
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: just bad at both, so we don't sorry, uh, Sam

899
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: Donald and and Josh Dan here. I'm a Jets fan

900
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: and I was all excited the last forty eight hours

901
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: or so. We're like, oh, you know, Donald could be

902
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: slipped into three in the Jets. Might it might fall

903
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: into the Jets last. And now you got me all

904
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: freaking out about this. I can't get caught about anything.

905
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: Bring on the draft. Here we go. You know, Jordan

906
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: Rodnon is a great beat writer for the Giants, and

907
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: he says, if Sam Darna was on the board, he'll

908
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: be the pick at number two. Again, we don't know anything,

909
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: but it seems like if the pick or on the board,

910
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: he the Giants will select him. So maybe you won't

911
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: even have a chance. I would actually be celebrating more

912
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: that you won't have to draft Josh Allen. Okay, interesting,

913
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: And did you know John? I know you're incredibly knowledgeable,

914
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: but did you know that Sam Donald's granddad is Dick Hammer.

915
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say Jack Nicholas because we

916
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: go down that road. All right, Josh Norris, you killed it.

917
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: Not surprising. Check out Josh's work, uh fallum on Twitter

918
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: at Josh Norris is stuff. On road World, including that

919
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: big that big board. Uh maybe maybe before with more

920
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: than twenty names. Check it out because there aren't many

921
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: more knowledgeable people in this realm than Josh. So thank

922
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: you for coming on the show, Buddy. Thanks, thanks everyone,

923
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: Bye bye. All right, there you go. I'm legitimately that

924
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: spood me. I was getting excited about Donald, and now

925
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have this this sense that it's gonna

926
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: be Donald to the Jets to not that we have

927
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: any idea that I think he fought he would fall

928
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: past the Giants, because there's now there's whispers out there

929
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: that the that the Giants and Bills potentially have a

930
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: deal in place, and the well there's also out there

931
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: that the Giants are they loved their visit with Chub.

932
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why the Emperor has got to come

933
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: in and move this up. Man can't take this anymore.

934
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: What about Josh Rosan, Josh Rosen, wuldn't you want him?

935
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: I would like I would like him. I just don't

936
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: think the Jets. Okay, I think it's gonna be Donald

937
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: or Mayfield. That's just my my gut feeling on that.

938
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: I think as we go through this with each of

939
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks though, you're not gonna get freaked by each

940
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: of them, but none of them are pristine perfection, and

941
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: so when we get it might be is being thrown.

942
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: I don't mind the all I'm tired of, like, oh,

943
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: a football player actually is smart, Like a ton of

944
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: these football players are incredibly intelligent, layoff to Rosen, but

945
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: none of these guys are the automatic number one pick. Oh, Mark,

946
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 1: this is scary. And the Josh Allen thing that's gonna

947
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: spook you. I think the Jets man you're gonna go get,

948
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: You're gonna go get chop at. Yeah, that's what you need.

949
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: That Literally a little spooked about this Josh Allen stuff,

950
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: aren't you. I'm spooked by essentially everything the brand I was.

951
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: It's it's in my blood stream point to be freaking.

952
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: Will Brinson, a friend of the show, is on his

953
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: Pick six podcasts and we're talking about the one guy.

954
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: And I don't know college football well, but the one

955
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: guy that would really scare me was Josh Allen, just

956
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: because everyone's saying boom er bus, boom er buss, and

957
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: I just drafted Hackenburgh two years ago, so it's like,

958
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: give me the other three guys, I don't even want

959
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: to deal with the stress of hoping Josh Allen could

960
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: play play the game when you go through one in

961
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: oh and sixteen is there's no it doesn't matter anymore.

962
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 1: Just let's just see what happened. Donald's still not buying.

963
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: I just can't believe is not like not an automatic

964
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 1: like top pick. I feel like the Bradley Chubb stuff

965
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: coming out of the Giants is just a smoke screen.

966
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: So the Browns automatically go quarterback first. Uh. Coming up

967
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: on Friday, by the way, So that's part one of

968
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: our quarterback Draft quarterback breakdown. Uh. There was a really

969
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: tremendous piece on an ESPN the magazine profile Q and

970
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: A with Josh Rosen of U C l A. Sam

971
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 1: Alipoor wrote it, and Sam will be on the show

972
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: on Friday, UH to talk about that. Which West did

973
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: you really? Did you get around too that I did

974
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: read it? But I was fascinating, Yeah, it was, And

975
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting how Sam uh clearly was

976
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: kind of on a good wave wavelength with Rosen and

977
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: and got a lot of good stuff at him. So

978
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: we could talk to Sam about that conversation as it

979
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: moves on Yeah, and and no offense to Mark for

980
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: the comments you made a minute ago. But but a

981
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: lot of people on Twitter yesterday we're saying that, you know,

982
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: there's other smart football players. I don't know if I've

983
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: ever heard or read a football player as smart as John.

984
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: My point would be different. I get that. I just

985
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: think that it's it we we we struggle with the

986
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: idea that football players are also incredibly creative, intelligent people,

987
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: and there are other football players that have come along

988
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: that have been free thinkers. Like Also, I don't think

989
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: the job Rosen is a smart guy. He's I don't know,

990
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go I just think that let's lay

991
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: off the idea that he's a you know, astro physicist

992
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 1: playing football. He's a smart, independent thinker and that should

993
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: be welcomed, not not creates so much chaos. He's a

994
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: curious thinker, and I think what gets most people is

995
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: he's authentic. He says what he's on, what's on his mind,

996
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 1: and that's rare and twenty one century, big time sports

997
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: where all the money is and he's a millennial. Do

998
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: not forget that. I mean, he's gonna be playing against

999
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: other millennials. I don't know, Brose, all draft class is

1000
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: super millennial. I feel like draft class they're all millennial.

1001
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,479
Speaker 1: Um okay, so yeah, we'll be back on Friday talking

1002
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: about Josh Rosen and anything else that's going on in

1003
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 1: the world of the National Football League. Connie, I'm excited

1004
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: to listen. Did it again? Thank you very rich. Here

1005
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: your next see you all right stand hands is signing

1006
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 1: off for a quiet storm the mail Man, Connie Fox,

1007
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: the old Boss. Thank you to Josh Norris and of

1008
00:53:51,880 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: course to Lindsey Fulton behind the glass till Friday.