WEBVTT - Dr. Andrew Bean: All Things Cats

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to in the Vets Office with doctor Josie Horchak.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi everyone, and welcome back to in the Vets Office.

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<v Speaker 2>I am your host, Doctor Josie, and this is a

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<v Speaker 2>very exciting week because we are joined by one of

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<v Speaker 2>my very best friends in the entire world, Doctor Andrew Bean,

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<v Speaker 2>who I will be calling Bean for the entirety of

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<v Speaker 2>this episode. Bean and I went to veterinary school together

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<v Speaker 2>at the Ohio State University. We worked together in Chicago

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<v Speaker 2>at Boulevard Vet. Shout out Boulevard if you're in Chicago,

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<v Speaker 2>check them out. They are the best. Bean is actually

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<v Speaker 2>now a partner there. It's hands down the best VET

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<v Speaker 2>clinic in all of Chicago Land. And he is in

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<v Speaker 2>Nashville today to film this episode with me. So welcome Bean.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I oh, let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to do it when you're together, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to go buck Eyes. The main reason I asked

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Bean to come today is because we've done so

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<v Speaker 2>many episodes centered on dogs, and a lot of listeners say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you're giving all the love to the dogs. What about

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<v Speaker 2>the cats? And Doctor Bean is the cat king, so

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<v Speaker 2>love them, he says, love them.

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<v Speaker 1>I only have one, but I would kill to have

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<v Speaker 1>more of them. I just cannot handle it, but I

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<v Speaker 1>would have as many as I could stand.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think your cat Zelda would allow you to

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<v Speaker 2>have more than just her. I feel like she's an

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<v Speaker 2>only child.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the problem. I think she is the queen

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<v Speaker 1>of her roost. She does not like when new faces

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<v Speaker 1>come in. So when she dies, which is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be still a long time, hopefully never forever, but when

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<v Speaker 1>she does pass, I might get two or three or four,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect You will see those like tiktoks or videos where

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<v Speaker 2>it's like this person's a Golden Retriever, and I always

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<v Speaker 2>joke that our friendship, I'm like the Golden Retriever with

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<v Speaker 2>like a little bit of Terrier, maybe a sprinkle of Chihuahua.

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<v Speaker 2>And you are a house cat. I tell you I

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<v Speaker 2>love you, and you say thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. That is very a cat. That is a

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<v Speaker 1>cat answer.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a cat answer. And I'm very happy because

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<v Speaker 2>I wear my cat socks today. Can you see in

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<v Speaker 2>the camera I got my cat socks. So yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 2>ready to go. We're gonna talk all things cats. We

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<v Speaker 2>always start our episode with the case of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>And since you're here, doctor Bean, I'm gonna let you

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<v Speaker 2>take it away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So sticking with our theme, it is a cat

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<v Speaker 1>that I saw actually recently, a few weeks ago. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a four month old kitten that I saw. They presented

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<v Speaker 1>super lethargic, hadne eaten in days, just really not doing well.

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<v Speaker 2>And you had just seen it like a few weeks

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<v Speaker 2>before they did.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it a week before for like its first

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<v Speaker 1>kitten visit. It was doing great, eating, drinking, bouncing off

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<v Speaker 1>the walls. So when I saw this in the exam room,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not the same kitten. You know, there's something

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with this kitten. And so looking at the cat,

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<v Speaker 1>just looking at it, the whole cat was yellow, ears, skin, gums, eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>everything was just yellow.

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<v Speaker 2>That's always shocking. As a vet. You walk in, You're like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh boy, this is not good.

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<v Speaker 1>Like immediate red flag. You're like something's up, like this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is something. So we do our physical We

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<v Speaker 1>also find its abdomen is huge, it's belly is super distended,

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<v Speaker 1>and just feeling it, there's fluid in this belly. So

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<v Speaker 1>this kind is in rough shape. So we run some tests,

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<v Speaker 1>butteric X rays. I end up draining like one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty millimeters of fluid, which is a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>fluid off this three pound cat, four pound cat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot. So we pulled the fluid off and

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<v Speaker 1>we essentially diagnosed it with a disease called FIP, or

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<v Speaker 1>feeling infectious paraniitis. Cats in general, I think are a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more prone to infectious diseases than dogs, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is kind of a weird disease that is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of confusing in terms of transmission. Even diagnosing it can

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<v Speaker 1>be tricky and difficult, but with this case, this was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a classic slammed case. But if your vet

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<v Speaker 1>is suspicious of FIP, you know, they very may want

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<v Speaker 1>to run some additional tests if it's not quite as

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<v Speaker 1>clear cut or not as obvious as this one. This

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of a slam dunk diagnosis, as we would say,

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of the interesting thing about treating FIP. Nowadays

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<v Speaker 1>we have this great anti viral drug. We ordered it

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<v Speaker 1>from our special pharmacy. It came the next day, the

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<v Speaker 1>owner started it and I got an update a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of days later. Kat was back to normal, doing great.

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<v Speaker 1>So I saw them Actually a couple of days ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Kat's again doing great, doing fantastic. I'm optimistic he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to make or she's going to make a full recovery.

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<v Speaker 1>The kind of interesting part about this case is if

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<v Speaker 1>this was just a few months ago, we would be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a very different treatment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like three months ago, three months ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So this treatment just became legal I think in June,

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<v Speaker 1>June or July, this anti viral compound, and before it

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<v Speaker 1>was legal, it was extensively tested. We know it was safe,

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<v Speaker 1>we know its effected, but it was illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>It was not FDA approved, IFT approved.

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<v Speaker 1>We cannot use it off label. It's a big no no.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, we knew was safe, we knew was effective,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I'm not saying I did this. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a friend, a friend veterinarian who back in the day

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<v Speaker 1>before this drug was legal, you a friend of mine

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<v Speaker 1>would have to basically refer them to the black market

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<v Speaker 1>to get this drug. And so there was a Facebook page.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's still around. Can I say

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<v Speaker 1>the name of it. Yeah, It's called FIP Warriors, and

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<v Speaker 1>it basically what owners would have to do join this private,

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<v Speaker 1>secret Facebook page. They would connect you to someone in

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<v Speaker 1>the area that sells it on the black market. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to go to their house, usually an hour or

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<v Speaker 1>so away. You pay one thousand bucks in cash. They

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<v Speaker 1>give you a vial of hopefully the drug, hopefully the medication.

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<v Speaker 1>They teach you how to inject it in your cat

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<v Speaker 1>and on your way. And again we were not allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about it. We are not allowed to recommend it.

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<v Speaker 1>My friend would never write anything in the record that

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<v Speaker 1>they are recommending it because I read an article a

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<v Speaker 1>few months ago there was a group of vets in

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<v Speaker 1>Texas that like got quote busted for using it and

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<v Speaker 1>saving cats lives and they lost their license over it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So black market veterinary drugs exist.

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<v Speaker 2>We are not saying to go hunting for them. But

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<v Speaker 2>if your vet recommends it, I mean, yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a very special exception, I would say.

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<v Speaker 1>Very special exception. And luckily we don't have that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>There are more and more competent pharmacies that are carrying

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<v Speaker 1>this drug and it's legal now. So I'm just very

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<v Speaker 1>happy we have something legal to fix these cats because

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<v Speaker 1>it works.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it was crazy as a vet walking into

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<v Speaker 2>the room. I mean, when my friend walked into the

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<v Speaker 2>room wing wink and being like, hey, your cat has

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<v Speaker 2>this disease. They will die fatal.

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<v Speaker 1>It is almost always fatal.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, they will die if they don't get treatment. You

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<v Speaker 2>need to get a thousand dollars in cash. You're going

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<v Speaker 2>to drive to this random person's house. The medication sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>will be in their mailbox. It's like a drug deal

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<v Speaker 2>it really it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a black market drug.

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<v Speaker 2>Dealer or cat for your cat, but it saves her life.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, oh yeah, I've seen it work like it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like a miracle drug. Honestly it does, because yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>cat is doing fantastic. But it's just so crazy that

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<v Speaker 1>we had this drug for a while. We knew it

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<v Speaker 1>was safe, we knew it was effective. We just could

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<v Speaker 1>not use it to fix these cats or help these cats.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've seen cases where dinners couldn't afford to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>or they honestly did not believe me. They were like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're lying to me, You're crazy. I'm getting another opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, I wish this was not how it

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<v Speaker 1>had to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're like, I know I sound insane, but I promise.

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<v Speaker 1>And I actually have another client who or my friend

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<v Speaker 1>had a client who they did it, and she was like, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>anyone that doubts this process, like, they can call me

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll tell them it works. Do it a testimony exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we both have lost you know, especially coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of school almost eight years ago. Now, we lost

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of patience to FIP because we didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>have the black market drug available. So it's definitely been

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<v Speaker 2>a game changer for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm very happy we have it, and yeah it's legal.

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<v Speaker 1>So if your cat has FIP, there is hope. Now

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<v Speaker 1>there's legal, good hope. So talk to your veterinarian if

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<v Speaker 1>you're ever worried about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely all right, we're gonna take a quick break and

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<v Speaker 2>when we get back we are going to do our

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<v Speaker 2>listener question and answers. Hey, doctor Josie, my cat will

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<v Speaker 2>randomly PM poop outside of our litter box and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why. Is there anything I can do? This

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<v Speaker 2>is a great question, I know, being I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>this is the number one one of the number one things,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the number one that doesn't really make sense.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the top things that we see with cat

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<v Speaker 2>owners when they come in is cats going to the bathroom,

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<v Speaker 2>not in their litter box. And what I would say

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<v Speaker 2>to that is they are the most sensitive of creatures

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<v Speaker 2>and more often than not, it's usually stress related or

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<v Speaker 2>something is different in the home and kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>throwing them for a loop and for whatever reason they

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<v Speaker 2>decide they are not going in their litter box.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think, Yeah, I mean, super super common,

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<v Speaker 1>especially being outside the litter box. I've struggled it with

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<v Speaker 1>it myself with my cat, And like you said, it

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<v Speaker 1>is a lot of times sometimes related to stress or

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<v Speaker 1>a behavior issue. Obviously, your that'll probably run some tests

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<v Speaker 1>to rule out any sort of like obvious medical cause,

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<v Speaker 1>like a UTI is what we hear a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>our you know, a parasite or something weird like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But in a lot of cases, it is this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stress or behavior issue, and there's absolutely some things

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<v Speaker 1>we can do about it before you go.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing that I always think of is people come

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<v Speaker 2>in and if they have a dog, you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>these are UTI symptoms, Like of course, and it would

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<v Speaker 2>be so easy, like honestly would be easier for it

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<v Speaker 2>to be a UTI because you just give them an

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<v Speaker 2>antibiotic and they're better. But honestly, like eighty percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the time, ninety percent of the time it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>uti and it's something just as simple as like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you have your great aunt staying in the guest bedroom,

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<v Speaker 2>and that alone dressed the count enough for them to

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<v Speaker 2>want to be outside the litter box.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be anything.

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>And I had one case where the owner was convinced

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<v Speaker 1>that I was convinced by the end of it too,

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<v Speaker 1>that the cats started peeing outside the box when she

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<v Speaker 1>moved the cat's favorite chair just a little bit, and

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<v Speaker 1>then when she moved the chair back, everything went back

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<v Speaker 1>to normal. Yeah, so cats are very very sensitive to

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<v Speaker 1>really any changes. Something that seems minuscule or minute to

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<v Speaker 1>you can be a big deal for them.

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<v Speaker 2>It's life altering to them, not the favorite chair.

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<v Speaker 1>They need it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then another really interesting thing too is they can

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<v Speaker 2>be really some cats, not all of them, but some

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<v Speaker 2>of them can be so particular about the type of

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<v Speaker 2>litter they use.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, there is so many different types of litter out there.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, in school they would tell you to

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<v Speaker 1>do a litters morgesborger a little buffet. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>about you, but I do not want five litter boxes

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<v Speaker 1>with different litters in my house. So it's a good recommendation,

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<v Speaker 1>but a bit impractical.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe not realistic.

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<v Speaker 1>That the couple litters that I like, I think the

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<v Speaker 1>one that I always recommend if you're having trouble pooping

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<v Speaker 1>and ping outside litter box to the cat. It's called

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<v Speaker 1>called doctor Elsie's Cat attract Litter. I'm not paid by them.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't know me.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish, hey, how do you spell elsie e l

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<v Speaker 2>sy Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But no they I have no affiliation with them. I

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<v Speaker 1>love them though. They're great. Shut me out if you

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<v Speaker 1>need me. Yeah. But now it's supposedly I think like

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<v Speaker 1>it's like pheromone infused litter that's supposed to really draw

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<v Speaker 1>the cats into the litter box, and I recommend it

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<v Speaker 1>to all my clients that have this issue. Again, I

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<v Speaker 1>use it personally with great success. So that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>an easy thing that potentially could could improve this a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing, too, is cats are really particular. In school,

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<v Speaker 2>they teach us for every cat you have, you should

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<v Speaker 2>have one additional litter box. So if you have two cats,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to have three litter boxes. Obviously, if you

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<v Speaker 2>have two cats and you have one or two litter

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<v Speaker 2>boxes and they're using them normally. Great, But if you're

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<v Speaker 2>having an issue, add another litter box in and keep

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<v Speaker 2>in mind that if they have a hard time getting around,

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<v Speaker 2>like it could be the litter box set up like

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<v Speaker 2>it could be if you have one of those robotic

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<v Speaker 2>litter boxes. I know they're cool and I'll be interested

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<v Speaker 2>to hear what you think about them, But sometimes they

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<v Speaker 2>can be hard to get in and out of, and

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you need something just as simple as like a

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<v Speaker 2>tray with litter in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Some I mean older cats. Sometimes they are arthritic.

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<v Speaker 1>They have trouble getting into a litter box if it's

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<v Speaker 1>too high, so something low. Sometimes they're afraid of the

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<v Speaker 1>electronic mechanism that scoops their own litter. There are a

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<v Speaker 1>million reasons you'd be like, oh my god, these cats

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<v Speaker 1>are crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I maintenance they are.

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<v Speaker 1>You think you're getting an easy cat, and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them are, but sometimes they are particular.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think about the robot litter boxes?

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<v Speaker 1>I want one personally, It's one less thing to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if you've got an electronic litter box on

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<v Speaker 1>a mag feeder, that cat is good to go for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time. I think the downside is they're, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on the more expensive side, and if you pail this

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<v Speaker 1>money and the cat is afraid of it and doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>use it, then you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a damn we stuck with an expensive litter box.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you could sell it on Facebook marketplace. You

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<v Speaker 2>sure can get some money back. The nice thing about

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<v Speaker 2>the robotic litter box is cats are also very particular

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<v Speaker 2>in that if their litter box is dirty or it's

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<v Speaker 2>not frequently cleaned, they're like, nope, I'm not going here.

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<v Speaker 2>So at least with the robot, you don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>worry about that as much, and they clean it after

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<v Speaker 2>every time, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think some do. I think I don't. Some maybe

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<v Speaker 1>have like timers or like daily But yeah, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>you can program it to do whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking about this episode and you said something

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<v Speaker 2>where when that cats, if you have the automatic feed

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<v Speaker 2>and the litter box, like you quite literally have to

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<v Speaker 2>do nothing. And there's so many owners out there that

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<v Speaker 2>think they want a dog, but they actually want a cat.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh all the time, I see so many clients get dogs,

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<v Speaker 1>get puppies, and they have a little bit buyers remorse

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<v Speaker 1>because they're like, you know, I really just wanted an

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<v Speaker 1>animal that was like a companion for me. That's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a little maintenance that I don't really have to

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<v Speaker 1>like do a ton of work for. And I'm like, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted a cat. You did not want a dog.

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<v Speaker 1>You wanted a cat. And I think cats have a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of a negative connotation with them, especially with men.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's kind of a man has a cat, You're.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, oh, like, are you a weird guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think that's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>It is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you want a cat, if you do want

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<v Speaker 1>a low maintenance kind of companion that will still give

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<v Speaker 1>you love, a cat is You're a great bet for you.

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<v Speaker 2>They're amazing. They really are underrated and they don't get

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<v Speaker 2>enough love. And it is like you hear crazy cat ladies,

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<v Speaker 2>or oh that's weird he has a cat. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>just think that is so silly.

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<v Speaker 1>It is very silly to me. And I'm here to

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<v Speaker 1>break the stigma. I'm here to advocate for the cats

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<v Speaker 1>and advocate for cat daddies and cat moms everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out cat daddies. I love that you said something

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<v Speaker 2>about pheromone in the litter, pheromones in the litter. I

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<v Speaker 2>think a cool thing that a lot of people don't

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<v Speaker 2>know about is feel Away. And again this is not

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<v Speaker 2>an ad, it's just a product that we love. We

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<v Speaker 2>have them in the vet clinic and these are like

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<v Speaker 2>almost like a glade plugin that you would put into

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<v Speaker 2>your wall, and they release pheromones for cats. I think

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<v Speaker 2>maybe this is maybe I read this somewhere, but the

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<v Speaker 2>Mama scent gland where she like releases these pheromones to

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<v Speaker 2>her litters that kind of help bring down stress. They've

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<v Speaker 2>basically like created that into this like synthetic pheromone that

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<v Speaker 2>they're releasing into the house. So it's pretty awesome and

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<v Speaker 2>it comes and plug in sprays wipes. I highly recommend.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. Any behavior she with a cat. Any

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<v Speaker 1>you have a new cat coming, you are introducing new cat,

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<v Speaker 1>feel get a plug in or two. I do believe

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<v Speaker 1>they actually work. I think there's some very similar products

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<v Speaker 1>that I will not name that I have questions about

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<v Speaker 1>whether they work or not. But I think the FeelA Way.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely works one hundred percent agree And we'll even sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>spray it on our scrubs before we go into an

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<v Speaker 2>exam room, and cats that are notoriously like trying to

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<v Speaker 2>beat the crap out of us during an exam will

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<v Speaker 2>be like so sweet and like rubbing up on you

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<v Speaker 2>and headbutting you and like it definitely absolutely works, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't hurt at all. You know, it's much easier than

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<v Speaker 1>giving your cat a pill every day. I'm just having

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<v Speaker 1>a diffuser on if they're kind of an anxious or

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<v Speaker 1>stressed out cap totally.

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<v Speaker 2>That's called it Feel Away everyone. You can get it

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<v Speaker 2>on Amazon. It's awesome. Okay, I'm just going to hit

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<v Speaker 2>you with some like topics, big cat topics, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>just going to go through them because these are some

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<v Speaker 2>of the common questions I get as a veterinarian. And

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<v Speaker 2>you are at the cat king, So let's dive right

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<v Speaker 2>in number one, what do you think about bathing your cat?

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<v Speaker 1>So I get this question a lot. I will say

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<v Speaker 1>my cat is thirteen years old. I have never bathed

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<v Speaker 1>through once in my whole life. Cats usually do a

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<v Speaker 1>great job of doing it on their own. I think

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<v Speaker 1>some breeds, like you know, if you have a long

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<v Speaker 1>hair breed with just lots of lots of hair, or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some sort of like skin disease or there's

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<v Speaker 1>not good on their own grooming, then sometimes you do

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<v Speaker 1>give them a bath, take them to a groomer. But

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, in general, if it's not broke, don't

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<v Speaker 1>fix it.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally agree. I totally agree. I'm saying like, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like it's part of their like routine to groom themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Like cats are so particular in that way that if

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing it for them, they're kind of like what

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<v Speaker 2>the heck, Like, please don't Susan, just stop?

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<v Speaker 1>Please stop? Yeah, I mean, I I've seen some battle

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<v Speaker 1>wounds from people trying to bait their cats. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't need to do it, don't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the long haired cats too, they'll come into

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<v Speaker 2>the clinic and sometimes we have to give them like

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<v Speaker 2>a little Brazilian wax around the booty hole, lit sanitary,

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<v Speaker 2>some dingle berries back there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, things get caught in things.

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<v Speaker 2>Back there, and if they're like a little chunky, which

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to dive into that too, they can have

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<v Speaker 2>a hard time reaching around back there. So it's never

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<v Speaker 2>a bad idea to have some clippers. Obviously you don't

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<v Speaker 2>need to clip them short, but just like trimming up

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, and if you're nervous about it. Groomers

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<v Speaker 2>are great. If you're at your VAT clinic for something else,

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<v Speaker 2>you can ask them to do that. We usually are

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<v Speaker 2>pretty amenable to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, lungs are good, easy.

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<v Speaker 2>As long as they're nice. I'm not trying to kill us.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we can. We can make it happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually, definitely. Okay, what do you think about hairballs?

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<v Speaker 1>Hairballs? I as a doctor, I hate them because I

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<v Speaker 1>went to a talk a little while ago and they

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<v Speaker 1>basically said, we do not have any sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>peer reviewed research to fix hairballs. And you're like, well, great,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a great talk that I just came to.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. But I think unfortunately it's kind of something

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<v Speaker 1>you have to live with with the cats. A couple

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<v Speaker 1>of things that they say can help is just frequent

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<v Speaker 1>brushing if they tolerate that. Sometimes adding fiber to their

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<v Speaker 1>diet with like flavorless spinner mucles always my kind of

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<v Speaker 1>go to, or the other like fiber supplements.

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<v Speaker 2>What dost do you say for meta mucle just like

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<v Speaker 2>a pinch?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I think it's like a quarter to a half

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<v Speaker 1>teaspoon per meal, and you can kind of like tight

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<v Speaker 1>right up, depending on how it's going.

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<v Speaker 2>I say a pinch for everyone out there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how that's It's like a small little.

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<v Speaker 2>Like half a teaspoon, quarter teaspoon. I guess it depends

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<v Speaker 2>on how big your hands are.

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<v Speaker 1>True.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well everyone measured.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's the cat energy is. I want it measured.

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<v Speaker 1>I want a particular I want it the right way.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're like a dog like I'm just gonna throw something.

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<v Speaker 2>Throw it on there, honey, and just see how it goes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fiber, I mean that, what can happen? Okay, keep going,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the next thing?

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<v Speaker 1>And then this other product that we like, which again

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<v Speaker 1>not sponsored by them. We just like the hat.

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<v Speaker 2>We're plugging all our products. This is great.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called laxotone. It's like a pace that you like

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<v Speaker 1>put on their paw and they're supposed to lick it off.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a lubricant to just help kind of get

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<v Speaker 1>the hair to pass through so they're not throwing it

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<v Speaker 1>up quite as much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I really like laxotone. It comes into maple and

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<v Speaker 2>I think like a tuna flavored and I've had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of success. I know, it's not like we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have any major studies, but I feel like a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of my clients have told me they see a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of success with it, so definitely worth a shot. If

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<v Speaker 2>your a cat has a lot of hairballs, were the shot?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think the goal is always improvement. I tell

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<v Speaker 1>people the goals to minimize the hairballs. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>we can ever stop them with anything that we have now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just part of part of them grooming themselves. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you say too? I have so many clients saying, Josie,

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<v Speaker 2>should I feed dry food? Should I feed wet food?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>What is the answer as far as feeding your cats?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say this is a controversial question because I

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<v Speaker 1>feel you probably will hear a lot of different opinions

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<v Speaker 1>for different beats. Personally, I like a mix of wet

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<v Speaker 1>and dry. I think there's pros and cons for each

0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:09.800
<v Speaker 1>of them, and I think, hey, a little bit of

0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:13.080
<v Speaker 1>each goes a long way. Some bets, I think, will

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<v Speaker 1>say wet only, and I don't think that's bad or wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just not, you know, my preference. But again, unless

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<v Speaker 1>your cat is like a specific disease that they need

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<v Speaker 1>wet food, they need canned food. Then I personally like

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<v Speaker 1>the mix of both.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it to add a little crunchy in there

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<v Speaker 2>because I think it helps break down plack and harder,

0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:32.880
<v Speaker 2>like that act of chewing. Really it can be helpful.

0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.479
<v Speaker 2>And cats like their crunchies. I will say crunchies can

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<v Speaker 2>make them a little bit more fat.

0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.159
<v Speaker 1>They're a little more calorie dense dry foods, and so

0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.560
<v Speaker 1>wet food is usually thought of as helping a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more with weight loss. You know, they feel more full,

0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.560
<v Speaker 1>they don't want to eat quite as much some cats.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I have clients all the time say the

0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:53.560
<v Speaker 1>cat will only eat right, will not eat wet, and

0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.600
<v Speaker 1>they get very stressed out of pan it, and it's like, yeah,

0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:58.320
<v Speaker 1>he's a cat. You can't force them to need something

0:20:58.359 --> 0:20:59.960
<v Speaker 1>they don't want to. If that's what it is, then

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're gonna do in true cat fashion. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do what they want when they want. So it's definitely

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<v Speaker 2>not the end of the world. I agree. I have

0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:11.359
<v Speaker 2>clients that really really get stuck on this, and if

0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:13.719
<v Speaker 2>they don't like one or the other, it is certainly

0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:14.959
<v Speaker 2>not the end of the world. But I do think

0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:17.960
<v Speaker 2>a mixture of both is important, especially because cats really

0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.000
<v Speaker 2>don't love to drink water. I feel like we have

0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.840
<v Speaker 2>to encourage them. One thing we had talked about was

0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:26.800
<v Speaker 2>I like having the water fountain. Again, we're not really

0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:30.239
<v Speaker 2>sure how much how scientific it is, but I do

0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:31.800
<v Speaker 2>think that they tend to drink more out of those

0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:32.959
<v Speaker 2>running water fountains.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's always been the wisdom. I think for

0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:37.480
<v Speaker 1>a long time we were recommending fountains. I have a

0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:40.600
<v Speaker 1>fountain just because I like a cute little water feature. Yeah,

0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:44.560
<v Speaker 1>they do my apartment. But I think studies are coming

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<v Speaker 1>out where they're kind of saying, we don't think it

0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:51.600
<v Speaker 1>really makes a huge difference. But again, it's not gonna

0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:53.719
<v Speaker 1>hurt if you like a little water feature. If it helps,

0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:55.040
<v Speaker 1>then it's a win win.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely not. I like to watch the videos of the

0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:00.000
<v Speaker 2>cats drinking out of the faucets too. It's so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. Yeah, my cat, if you leave a

0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:04.600
<v Speaker 1>water glass of water anywhere in the house, she is

0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:06.320
<v Speaker 1>going to drink out of it. And so sometimes I

0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.080
<v Speaker 1>have to decide. If a glass of water has been

0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:10.800
<v Speaker 1>sitting up for a while, I say, do I risk it?

0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Do I drink this.

0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:15.200
<v Speaker 2>And I usually will your swapping spit with Alda.

0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:17.320
<v Speaker 1>You know what, It's fine. I scoop her poop by

0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:21.240
<v Speaker 1>clean her all the time. It's it's okay, she's your daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the dry food is more calorie dense, which

0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:29.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of brings us to fat cats. I find that

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<v Speaker 2>especially in multi cat households, like if you have one

0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:35.040
<v Speaker 2>or you know, two cats, three cats, there's always a

0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:37.399
<v Speaker 2>chonker and then the other cat tends to be like

0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:40.919
<v Speaker 2>pretty skinny, which is very frustrating for owners. And just

0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:42.840
<v Speaker 2>getting a cat to lose weight in general is just

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<v Speaker 2>the bane of my existence.

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<v Speaker 1>It's tough, it's a challenge, and I will tell people

0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:49.560
<v Speaker 1>with a multi cat household we getting weight loss. It's

0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:52.200
<v Speaker 1>not impossible, it's just harder. So it does take a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of work and time and time because yeah,

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:58.600
<v Speaker 1>you usually will have one cat that is stealing all

0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:02.119
<v Speaker 1>the food and you can tell which one, oh, you know,

0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:04.680
<v Speaker 1>And usually I recommend what I would call kind of

0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:08.360
<v Speaker 1>strict meal feeding. Basically, you have your food, you're measured out,

0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:11.439
<v Speaker 1>you put it down ten minutes his meal time. At

0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:13.560
<v Speaker 1>the end, you pick it up and that's it. Some

0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:16.199
<v Speaker 1>owners I know have these like fancy microchip feeders that

0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:18.399
<v Speaker 1>if your cat does have a microchip, it scans it

0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:23.640
<v Speaker 1>and it'll dispense food out depending on which microchip they're scanning.

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<v Speaker 1>A little pricey, but I know somewhere is that it's

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<v Speaker 1>worked really well for.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree. I have some owners that I've used

0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:32.439
<v Speaker 2>the microchip ones and it's so cool. It's like, Okay,

0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:35.440
<v Speaker 2>here is Fluffy, We're going to feed him x amount,

0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:37.400
<v Speaker 2>and here's fat Sassy, We're going to feed her way

0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:43.680
<v Speaker 2>less so fat Sassy, no I think. I think, yeah,

0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:45.840
<v Speaker 2>if you can afford them, great, If not, I really

0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:47.639
<v Speaker 2>do like the timed feedings, just like you said. And

0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:49.320
<v Speaker 2>if you don't know how much to feed your cat,

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<v Speaker 2>ask your vet because all the cat foods have very

0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.399
<v Speaker 2>different amount of calories in them and it can be

0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:57.639
<v Speaker 2>confusing and following I always say this, but following the

0:23:57.640 --> 0:23:59.920
<v Speaker 2>back of the bag or what the can recommends you

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<v Speaker 2>always going to end up, for the most part overfeeding

0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:05.400
<v Speaker 2>your cats and your dogs. So talk to your vet.

0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:07.320
<v Speaker 2>They'll give you an exact calorie coount. You can look

0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:09.040
<v Speaker 2>at what how many calories are in the foods you're

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<v Speaker 2>feeding and come up with a little weight Watchers game

0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:15.960
<v Speaker 2>plan because obesity and cats, especially in all of our pets,

0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:17.600
<v Speaker 2>but especially in our cats, really can lead to a

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:19.680
<v Speaker 2>lot of long term issues. I feel like our fat

0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:23.360
<v Speaker 2>cats are so prone to getting diabetes and joint issues.

0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:25.360
<v Speaker 2>So it's definitely something we want to stay on top.

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<v Speaker 1>Of, definitely. And I mean cats are kind of silent sufferers.

0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:30.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, they will hide illness or hide disease. So

0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:32.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, if you have kind of a fat,

0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:36.600
<v Speaker 1>old thread cat, they're hurting. You know they're hurting, and

0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:39.359
<v Speaker 1>getting weight loss off of them is tricky, but again

0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:41.600
<v Speaker 1>not impossible and should always be the goal.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree. Okay, what do you think about people? I

0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:46.480
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of clients that say, Okay, I can't

0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:48.320
<v Speaker 2>get my cat to stop jumping on my counters. What

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:48.679
<v Speaker 2>do I do?

0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:52.359
<v Speaker 1>So, I mean, my cat does not jump on the counter,

0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:55.679
<v Speaker 1>is hees perfect? So I think it's you know, it's

0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:59.280
<v Speaker 1>a training issue. I think you'll try to obviously discourage

0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:00.960
<v Speaker 1>it when they are jumping up the kind of a

0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:04.159
<v Speaker 1>couple of tricks that I'll recommend to people. Cats in

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:08.000
<v Speaker 1>general are very tactile. They based a lot of their

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:11.080
<v Speaker 1>decisions on how things feel, so putting like double sided

0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:15.120
<v Speaker 1>tape on the countertop or like aluminum foil. Sometimes serran

0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:17.680
<v Speaker 1>wrap also works. They hate how that feels, so they'll

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:19.720
<v Speaker 1>usually jump on and immediately jump off. And so the

0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:22.200
<v Speaker 1>hope is that they just learned that they just don't

0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 1>jump up there because it feels weird for them.

0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:26.200
<v Speaker 2>And it's like dogs, where you start. If you start

0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:29.119
<v Speaker 2>them young as a kitten, hopefully they don't develop that

0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:29.680
<v Speaker 2>bad habit.

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<v Speaker 1>With all behaviors cats and dogs, start them young, trim

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:38.360
<v Speaker 1>their nails young if you can. Yeah, get any sort

0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:40.920
<v Speaker 1>of behavior shoes kind of sorted as early as possible

0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:42.960
<v Speaker 1>is going to be your best way to get it sorted.

0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I do get it. I think you

0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 2>know your cats are going into the litter boxes or

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:49.520
<v Speaker 2>peeing and pooping, and then if they're like walking across

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:51.800
<v Speaker 2>your kitchen counter, it's probably not the best thing in

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:55.520
<v Speaker 2>the world. So that is fair. Zalda doesn't jump on

0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:56.639
<v Speaker 2>your kitchen counter at all.

0:25:56.600 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 1>No, wow, at all.

0:25:57.960 --> 0:25:59.159
<v Speaker 2>You were a strict cat daddy.

0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:03.359
<v Speaker 1>I I mean I would say, I'm not. I am

0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:07.800
<v Speaker 1>not tempted by their their tricks. You know, cats and dogs.

0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 1>I see them begging for food, I see them asking

0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 1>tricks or things you have to be You have to

0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:15.560
<v Speaker 1>be stronger, you have to be stronger totally.

0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I think having some structure is a really good thing

0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:21.480
<v Speaker 2>sets you up for success. What do you think about

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:25.080
<v Speaker 2>keeping cats on flea, tick and heartworm prevention all ye round?

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Especially my clients will say, my cat doesn't go outside

0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:30.240
<v Speaker 2>their indoors only. Do I really need to do that?

0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:35.320
<v Speaker 1>This is a tough one. I know. I'm going to

0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:38.359
<v Speaker 1>be very honest. I think you know, if you go

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:40.440
<v Speaker 1>to your vet, your vet is probably going to recommend

0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:44.679
<v Speaker 1>this is my cat on flea and tick? She is not.

0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 1>I kind of explain it to people, Hey, it's all

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:52.640
<v Speaker 1>about how you manage risk and how comfortable you are

0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:54.639
<v Speaker 1>with risk. Can I say that it's impossible that your

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:57.520
<v Speaker 1>cat will get fleas if they're indoor only, It's not impossible.

0:26:57.560 --> 0:26:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I've definitely seen cats get fleas when they're indoor only.

0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Is it likely not likely? So if you're a person

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:07.879
<v Speaker 1>that wants no risk, you want to make sure you're covered,

0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:09.719
<v Speaker 1>then I would definitely stay on flee in tick. If

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:12.639
<v Speaker 1>you're somebody that's like, you know, a little ambiguity is fine.

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:16.159
<v Speaker 1>I can manage it. If it comes along, then you

0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:18.400
<v Speaker 1>may not have to put them on flee in tick.

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's a good, really good point also too,

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:23.440
<v Speaker 2>like depending on where you live, Like being is in

0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 2>downtown Chicago in a high rise. It gets very very

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 2>cold there in the winter. I feel like you don't

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:30.960
<v Speaker 2>see as many fleas, like down here in the South

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:33.920
<v Speaker 2>in Nashville, we see so many fleas. And I think

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:35.720
<v Speaker 2>if you have like cats, and you have dogs in

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 2>the house or other pets, you know, if they're going

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:41.159
<v Speaker 2>outside at all, then having them on prevention makes a

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:42.679
<v Speaker 2>lot of sense. But yeah, if you're in like New

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 2>York City or Chicago and you're living on the twentieth floor,

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 2>the risk of them not being on prevention is pretty low.

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Pros and cons with each side. I think if they

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:55.679
<v Speaker 1>have like a skin disease, I'll always recommend being on

0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:58.000
<v Speaker 1>free preventional least for a month or two. Just in

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:00.680
<v Speaker 1>case cats. A lot of times you will not see

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 1>fleas on a cat. They groom themselves so so well,

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 1>and so I've had cases where we work them up

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:10.280
<v Speaker 1>for alogies or other causes for itching and scratching, and

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 1>you do special diets, you do medications, you spend it

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 1>to a specialist and it was just a flea all

0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:17.760
<v Speaker 1>that time, and it's like, just put them on flee

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:21.280
<v Speaker 1>prevention initially to see if it works, because that's such

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 1>an easy fix for kind of what I would call

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:26.400
<v Speaker 1>a stupid problem. Yeah, and can save people a lot

0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:27.200
<v Speaker 1>of time and money.

0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:29.120
<v Speaker 2>It's funny how you say that, Like dogs will see

0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 2>them come in with fleas and it's so obvious they're

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:33.679
<v Speaker 2>crawling in fleas, and then a cat comes in and

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:36.920
<v Speaker 2>they are so meticulous they've like plucked each tiny little

0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 2>flea off, and so you don't always know.

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, and usually you never know, usually don't see them.

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 1>That's why I think always, if we're having a skin problem,

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:49.240
<v Speaker 1>sort of, flea prevention is always a smart idea.

0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's like twenty bucks and maybe thirty bucks now

0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:55.120
<v Speaker 2>and covers your bases and can definitely save you a

0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of time and money if that's what it is. Okay,

0:28:57.800 --> 0:28:59.480
<v Speaker 2>what do you think about my favorite thing in the

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:02.000
<v Speaker 2>entire world, which is when cats make biscuits?

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:04.040
<v Speaker 1>What is everyone's favorite.

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Things when they're in they no, she.

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Uh now, it's it warms your heart when a cat

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 1>decides for the first time that they want to make

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 1>biscuits on you. It's like they have decided they love you,

0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 1>they care about you. And that's why I like cats

0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:20.960
<v Speaker 1>more than dogs. I feel like a dog. Most dogs,

0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:23.160
<v Speaker 1>you give a treat, they love you forever. A cat

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:24.840
<v Speaker 1>you really have to work for them to love you,

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 1>and when they love you back, it is.

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Like nothing else, like you won the lottery. Oh you've

0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 2>been chosen.

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you have been chosen. And so when they make biscuits,

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:35.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think there's a couple theories out there.

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I think some one time I read that as kitts

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:42.720
<v Speaker 1>they do it to like stimulate milk production in their

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>mom so they you know, maybe they feel like you're

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 1>a parental figure. They love you, they're comfortable, they want

0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 1>to kind of get a nice comfortable spot going because

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I feel like sometimes my cat can make biscuits for

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 1>like twenty thirty minutes, really not long, and I say,

0:29:57.280 --> 0:29:59.640
<v Speaker 1>we get enough biscuits. We have too many biscuits. Now

0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 1>we made many.

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Who's gonna eat all these biscuits?

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Exactly?

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 2>That is crazy twenty thirty minutes. I didn't know that.

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh she'll she can go. I've seen cats can go

0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:10.240
<v Speaker 1>for a long time.

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Wow, just working away in the bakery just making biscus.

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh there's nothing cute or oh I love it. I

0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 2>need you to send me a picture of Zalda making biscuits.

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 1>I have videos I'll show you after this.

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 2>On your chest making them, yeah, like on your chest.

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 1>On your ab, demand on your back, like wherever they

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 1>want to do. Cat's jeless, do whatever.

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I wish I could have a cat. I don't. I

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:33.480
<v Speaker 2>as everyone knows, I have three dogs and my husband

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 2>is like deathly allergic. I would have to literally get

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 2>rid of him in order to have a cat.

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I love him, I love your husband, But

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean I like cats a lot too, So I don't.

0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I'd have to think about it.

0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 2>It depends on the day. Some days I'm like, get out,

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:48.480
<v Speaker 2>give me the cats. I will say.

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 1>There.

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:50.640
<v Speaker 2>One thing that we haven't talked about is there is

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:56.080
<v Speaker 2>a diet out there that Purina makes clear, live clear,

0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:58.479
<v Speaker 2>something like that, and the cats eat it. And one

0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 2>of like the main sources of allergens and cats comes

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 2>from their saliva and their dander, and it's supposed to

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:06.479
<v Speaker 2>kind of like change that so that if you do

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:09.520
<v Speaker 2>have allergies, you're less allergic to the cats. I've had

0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:10.480
<v Speaker 2>some owners say it works.

0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 1>I've had some owners say it works. Yeah. I always

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:14.000
<v Speaker 1>sell owners. You know, we don't have any studies. We

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 1>don't have any like research that proves this, I think,

0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 1>but I've had owners try it and they think it

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>works and they're happy with it. So hey, if it.

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Works, yeah, great, definitely worth a shot. I think the

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 2>big thing for me is like, if you know you're

0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 2>highly allergic, you probably shouldn't get a cat because then

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 2>you're just gonna have to end up rehoming it. If

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.720
<v Speaker 2>you already have the cat and you're experiencing allergies, great, like,

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 2>this is a great option to try live clear Purina.

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Look at us, we're plugging again. Someone sponsor us.

0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 1>Thanks my god, we love your stuff. Please sponsor us.

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Pay us. We're poor. Okay. Next is what do you

0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 2>think about outdoor cats?

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 1>So again, it's kind of again how you manage risk

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 1>and everything. I think. I live in city of Chicago.

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 1>I would not let my cat outdoors, you know, as

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 1>long as you're doing it responsibly. Maybe if you're out

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 1>in like a more rural area or a suburban area,

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, if they're vaccinated appropriately, if they have flee

0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 1>intake prevention if you're doing regular fecal checks. So if

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 1>you're doing it and doing it responsibly, it's okay. But

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 1>I think you always need to know that there is

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 1>a real risk that's something absolutely devastating could happen. You know,

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 1>there's a very real risk it could get hit by

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 1>a car, get attacked by another animal. So I mean

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 1>that's how I will always phrase it. It just depends on

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 1>how you kind of are with risks.

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I totally agree with that. And I think if

0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 2>you have an indoor cat that's like itching to go out,

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:34.040
<v Speaker 2>but you don't want to like let it free roam.

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 2>You had said, getting it harness is a great idea.

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 2>The little cadios are so cute where you can stick

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 2>them in their backyard and then they can roam around

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 2>in it and see the sun and the birds and

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 2>feel the wind in their hairs, but don't necessarily run

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 2>the risk of escaping and you know, getting killed by

0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 2>a coyote or a bobcat.

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 1>And they have like backpacks that you can put them

0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 1>in that have windows and holes, so you can do that.

0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 1>They have strollers. I love a cat rolling down the

0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 1>street in a stroll. I don't care what it looks like.

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't care if it's embarrassing to the people, I support it.

0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>So I support you getting a cat stroller and rolling

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:08.479
<v Speaker 1>around in it.

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:10.880
<v Speaker 2>If I see you pushing your cat in a stroller,

0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 2>just it's over. I'm going to come over and be

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 2>the happiest person alive. I have a patient that comes

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 2>in and it's a really big sphinx cat, so like

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:22.720
<v Speaker 2>a naked cat, and she wiliers a big pearl necklace.

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 2>The cat does and she comes in her stroller with

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 2>her cheetah blanket, and I'm like, this is the best

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 2>day of my life. Amazing.

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:32.080
<v Speaker 1>They always come in with like the cutest like sweaters

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:34.720
<v Speaker 1>because they're naked. Yeah, they don't have fur, they are naked.

0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 1>You're funny though, that's awesome.

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Misconception. People think, oh, I have allergies, I can get

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 2>a naked cat. But no, it's sadly the allergies are

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 2>in their saliva and I'm a little allergic to cats.

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 2>And I'll still like tear up and sneeze after cuddling

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 2>and stuffing my face on a naked cat. It's too bad. Okay.

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Next on the docket, what would you say to someone

0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 2>that already has a cat or a dog and they're

0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:01.240
<v Speaker 2>introing and bringing in new cat into the household.

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:02.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there's a lot of things you can do.

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, I always will say it can be a

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 1>little unpredictable. You could be doing everything right and the

0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:10.839
<v Speaker 1>cats still aren't getting along the cat and the dog

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:14.319
<v Speaker 1>is still not getting wrong along. But generally you want

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 1>to take it nice and easy. I usually say, first

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 1>couple days, just keep them in separate rooms. Maybe the

0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:22.880
<v Speaker 1>classic thingel here is to switch blankets between rooms so

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:26.600
<v Speaker 1>they smell each other, so they get their scent, and

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.279
<v Speaker 1>then you kind of gradually increase it to kind of

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:32.359
<v Speaker 1>supervise visits from afar. It's where they see each other,

0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:36.799
<v Speaker 1>and then again getting to more closer actual contact and all.

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 1>That's really over a week or so if they're real,

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:43.560
<v Speaker 1>real sensitive, maybe even longer. Yeah, but I feel away

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:45.480
<v Speaker 1>what we talked about before is a great thing to

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:47.399
<v Speaker 1>help the cats relax a little bit more when there

0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 1>is a new cat coming, to help decrease the temperature

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 1>a little bit.

0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely, so, and Steady wins the race. One thing

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:56.800
<v Speaker 2>that this makes me think of is if you're bringing

0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:58.799
<v Speaker 2>in a new cat. Most people are getting their cats

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:00.760
<v Speaker 2>from a shelter, even if it is coming from a breeder,

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 2>is doing the triple test for your new cat coming in,

0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 2>which tests them for FIV, which is like kitty aids essentially,

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:13.440
<v Speaker 2>and then FeLV which is feeling leukemia virus, which are contagious.

0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 2>You can transmit them through bites and sharing food bowls

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 2>and water bowls. So anytime you're entering a new cat,

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:20.200
<v Speaker 2>you definitely want to make sure they're negative for those

0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 2>two things. And your vet will know exactly what to

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:25.799
<v Speaker 2>test for. So check the papers that you're given, whether

0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 2>it's from the shelter or your breeder, see if they've

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:30.200
<v Speaker 2>done the test. If they haven't, I would definitely get

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:32.320
<v Speaker 2>that checked prior to introducing them to other cats in

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 2>the house.

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, ibsltly recommend that test. I think you know,

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:37.839
<v Speaker 1>it's just one test usually right when you get them,

0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 1>make sure they're negative for that, and then you really

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:42.759
<v Speaker 1>don't have to worry about it ever again, because I

0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>have seen one case I can think of they did

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:49.360
<v Speaker 1>not want to do with the leukemia as fiv's tests

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:51.839
<v Speaker 1>and they had other cats at home the cat ended

0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:53.920
<v Speaker 1>up being positive. We found out later and then the

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:56.280
<v Speaker 1>other cats got it, and it's just a really sad

0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:58.839
<v Speaker 1>situation that is very avoidable.

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:03.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, Okay, this is sort of a random one,

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:05.480
<v Speaker 2>but I have some clients come in and they say,

0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:08.719
<v Speaker 2>my cat looks like it's having like a spasm on

0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:11.160
<v Speaker 2>its back sometimes where it does like all this sort

0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 2>of like twitching. What what do you say that that is,

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 2>doctor Meade.

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:17.759
<v Speaker 1>So I'd say that very commonly is something that we

0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 1>would just call feeling hyperesthesia syndrome. And it's basically where

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:28.399
<v Speaker 1>I think it's kind of poorly understood. It's basically maybe

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:30.239
<v Speaker 1>where the nerves are a little bit over excited and

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 1>they have these twitching spells. Some people think it's like

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 1>allergy related, if it's like a skin issue. Some people

0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 1>think it's like, again, a primary neurologic issue. Sometimes I've

0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 1>seen anxiety as a potential cause. And so again it's

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:47.200
<v Speaker 1>definitely something that you can talk about with your vets.

0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 1>But the kind of trouble is treating this is a

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 1>bit of trial and error. Sometimes you try anti seizure meds,

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:56.520
<v Speaker 1>sometimes you try anxiety medication, sometimes you try allergy medications.

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.400
<v Speaker 1>And so it's tough to again, but the goal oftentimes

0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:02.359
<v Speaker 1>is to not maybe stop it altogether, but just try

0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:05.720
<v Speaker 1>to minimize it to where it's at an acceptable level.

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 2>I agree with that, and I feel like it can

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 2>be something as benign as they're just kind of overstimulated

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:13.680
<v Speaker 2>and their little back does these twitchies, but it definitely

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:16.919
<v Speaker 2>can represent something a little bit more sinister. So taking

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:18.480
<v Speaker 2>them into the vet and getting a good exam is

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 2>definitely the place to start.

0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I have one client who's kat has a

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:23.719
<v Speaker 1>very severe case of it, and she's done on an

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 1>incredible job but just even doing her own research and

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:29.240
<v Speaker 1>working with me and trying to figure out what cocktail

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:31.239
<v Speaker 1>and what a couple of medications will work for him,

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:32.439
<v Speaker 1>and he's doing great.

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:33.239
<v Speaker 2>Love that.

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:34.640
<v Speaker 1>If you're listening, you know who you are.

0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Shout out to the good owners. Love you guys. All right,

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:40.640
<v Speaker 2>we are going to take a quick break and when

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 2>we come back, we're going to do our paw and order.

0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:58.080
<v Speaker 2>All right, we are back and we're going to dive

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:03.520
<v Speaker 2>right into our paw and order. Number one on the

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:06.239
<v Speaker 2>dock at this week is I would not scoop my

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 2>cat's litter, or I'd be very mindful at least if

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.560
<v Speaker 2>I was pregnant, what do you say to that, doctor Bean?

0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:16.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I'd say be mindful. I think the big

0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:19.360
<v Speaker 1>reason why pregnant women should just be cautious when scooping

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:22.440
<v Speaker 1>letter other cats is there's a parasite called toxic plasmosis

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:25.399
<v Speaker 1>that cats can have that I believe has been known

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:30.960
<v Speaker 1>to cause like abortions and miscarriages in women. And again,

0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:34.160
<v Speaker 1>if you want to be extra extra safe, yes, you

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 1>have your partner do it, have somebody else do it.

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:40.200
<v Speaker 1>But in school, we were taught if you're just regularly

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 1>cleaning the box daily or every other day, your risk

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 1>of contracting this is very, very low. I believe our

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:49.759
<v Speaker 1>parasitology professor would tell us that it can take a

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:53.040
<v Speaker 1>few days for the kind of parasite to become infectious.

0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 1>After that they've been pooped out essentially, So here's being

0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:59.440
<v Speaker 1>diligent cleaning your litter box. Your risk is gonna be

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:02.759
<v Speaker 1>pretty low. I would still use gloves, I still wash

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:06.440
<v Speaker 1>your hands afterwards. But something to definitely be aware of.

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Should not panic about it, shouldn't be afraid of it,

0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 1>but just be aware, be educated, and make a plan.

0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 2>You don't need to be in a hals mat suit.

0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:16.799
<v Speaker 2>Just stay on top of it, wear some gloves. Make

0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:20.000
<v Speaker 2>your husband do it, and make your husband do it. Yes,

0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:24.239
<v Speaker 2>get those cat daddy's working. Yes, Okay, number two, I

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:27.399
<v Speaker 2>would not declaw my cats. I know I have said

0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:29.239
<v Speaker 2>this before on this show. I'm pretty sure I've done

0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 2>a whole pond order on it. But We're gonna die

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 2>on this hill because I feel very, very very strongly

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:34.560
<v Speaker 2>about this.

0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:38.879
<v Speaker 1>Yes, this is declined cats. I think ten years ago

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 1>was a common practice. And I've done a few the

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:46.799
<v Speaker 1>surgeries previously, and they are just real tough surgeries. You know,

0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:49.160
<v Speaker 1>it is a It is a brutal surgery where you're

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:52.440
<v Speaker 1>pretty much just removing the kind of you last knuckle

0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:55.719
<v Speaker 1>or last digit of their of their finger. And these

0:39:55.760 --> 0:40:00.120
<v Speaker 1>cats are painful. It can cause chronic pain. And and

0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:02.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, I've had clients say, well, my last cat

0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:04.880
<v Speaker 1>was declouded and I've not seen any sort of issues.

0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:08.080
<v Speaker 1>They seem fine. And cats are fighters, cats are survivors.

0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 1>They're going to hide the pain. They're going to keep

0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:11.759
<v Speaker 1>moving on. You're not going to see a sign of pain.

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.160
<v Speaker 1>But I can tell you these cats are really uncomfortable

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:14.800
<v Speaker 1>long term.

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, I mean you hear. We hear from our

0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:21.840
<v Speaker 2>amputees as humans that anytime you have a joint or

0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:24.280
<v Speaker 2>anything that's been amputated like that, you can have phantom

0:40:24.320 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 2>pains and you're more prone to arthritis. And so imagine

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:31.960
<v Speaker 2>in this case, it's disarticulating ten joints in there, well,

0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:35.680
<v Speaker 2>probably eight, I guess, depending on how many tobines they have, which,

0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:38.520
<v Speaker 2>by the way, I love tobines, but des articulating at

0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:41.200
<v Speaker 2>least eight of their wait, no, four, ten?

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, those are your front four? Me on

0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:45.319
<v Speaker 1>the back, YEAHI on the front.

0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:47.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Way, I can't do the math.

0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:49.279
<v Speaker 1>That's twenty if you do all of them.

0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:51.880
<v Speaker 2>If you do all of them, oh my god, twenty

0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 2>little joints having phantom pain.

0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:56.280
<v Speaker 1>And especially if your cat is an afdoor cat, decline

0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 1>them is dangerous. You know. They need their claws to

0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:02.080
<v Speaker 1>defend themselves in case anything does happen while they're outside.

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they just they do have a lot of

0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 2>chronic They can have a lot of chronic issues with

0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:09.879
<v Speaker 2>chronic arthritis. Like doctor Bean said, it's actually illegal now

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 2>in Australia. I think it's illegal in like certain states

0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:12.719
<v Speaker 2>here in.

0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:14.400
<v Speaker 1>The US, New York is illegal.

0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Now we're moving away from it, which I'm happy to see.

0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:19.120
<v Speaker 1>I think the one caveat I will say the only

0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:23.800
<v Speaker 1>reason that some people will allow declaw is if someone

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 1>in the house doesn't mean a compromised so like cat

0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:29.680
<v Speaker 1>scratch fever, or you're getting some sort of infectious disease

0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:33.880
<v Speaker 1>from the cat scratch could be you know, debilitating for

0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:36.160
<v Speaker 1>these people, you know, if they're undergoing cancer or they

0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:39.360
<v Speaker 1>have some other kind of disease. So that's kind of

0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:43.719
<v Speaker 1>the only exception where we can declaw the cats. But

0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:45.759
<v Speaker 1>I've never run into any of that yet. I've not

0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:47.759
<v Speaker 1>had one that's asked to do it.

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 2>And otherwise, if your cat, if you are just a

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 2>regular cat owner that doesn't have you're not that exception.

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:57.360
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of great alternatives out there. Again. Feel

0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Away can be really helpful with annoying scratching behaviors, getting

0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:04.200
<v Speaker 2>a scratching post. And then my favorite is the soft Pause.

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:06.760
<v Speaker 2>They're so cute. They're like little stick on gel nails

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:09.960
<v Speaker 2>and they're pretty easy, I mean, depending on your cat,

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:13.520
<v Speaker 2>they're fairly easy to apply and they're just like these

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:15.880
<v Speaker 2>little gel caps and you get them on all different colors,

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:19.600
<v Speaker 2>so they can look very very cute in chic and

0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:21.759
<v Speaker 2>and that keeps their nails covered so that way they're

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:22.800
<v Speaker 2>not destroying your furniture.

0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think the easiest thing is just cut

0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:29.200
<v Speaker 1>their nails regularly. Start when they're young, start with they're kittens,

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:30.719
<v Speaker 1>so that they're used to it, so that you can

0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 1>do it regularly at home, because that's going to be

0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:35.480
<v Speaker 1>the easiest, simplest, simplest thing.

0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it will desensitize them, for sure. It is frustrating.

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:41.640
<v Speaker 2>My girlfriend just got a new couch and it's already

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:43.839
<v Speaker 2>like frayed from her cat scratching it. And I just

0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:47.640
<v Speaker 2>I understand why people get frustrated. It probably is Oh.

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my car. I got her when I was in undergrad,

0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:53.920
<v Speaker 1>so I did not know all this at the time.

0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 1>And I mean, my couch is torn up to shreds.

0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah. And everyone always yells at me, get a

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:03.080
<v Speaker 1>new couch, get a new couch. If I get a

0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:05.640
<v Speaker 1>new couch, she's gonna do it again. So again I

0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:07.320
<v Speaker 1>have to wait till she dies to get a new couch.

0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 1>But then again, she's gonna live forever, so who knows

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:10.560
<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen.

0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 2>We'll just have a stress.

0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, we're going to live with the shudded couch.

0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:15.440
<v Speaker 2>There was one time I was very happy that a

0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:18.480
<v Speaker 2>patient was declaude. It was actually at Boulevard I was

0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:21.440
<v Speaker 2>working at in the River North location in downtown Chicago,

0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:23.600
<v Speaker 2>and a cat came in named Chili Palmer. I will

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:26.799
<v Speaker 2>never forget him and shout out to Chili Palmer if

0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 2>your parents are listening. I was sitting on the opposite

0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 2>side of the room. The parents were on the other side.

0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 2>The exam table was in the middle. This cat was

0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:36.360
<v Speaker 2>like completely on the other side of the room in

0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 2>a corner. This cat launches up onto the table, takes

0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:43.960
<v Speaker 2>his paw and goes and just smacks me across the face,

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:47.120
<v Speaker 2>like just like part of my friend. She bitch slapped

0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:49.680
<v Speaker 2>me and he was declawed. Thank god, otherwise I would

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:51.560
<v Speaker 2>have like thrash remarks across my face.

0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:54.160
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to recover from that when a cat just

0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:56.400
<v Speaker 1>bitch slaps you and you're like, I don't know what

0:43:56.440 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 1>to do now. It's like like bye, I'll see you.

0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:02.440
<v Speaker 2>It'll buy right red. I just was like I'm just

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:05.799
<v Speaker 2>gonna go away for a minute. You can't recover now,

0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:07.120
<v Speaker 2>like I would need to take a minute.

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:09.600
<v Speaker 1>You have to take a excuse myself. I'll be back

0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:10.400
<v Speaker 1>or maybe not.

0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:12.640
<v Speaker 2>He was definitely I don't know what I did to

0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:17.319
<v Speaker 2>offend him, but my apologies, Chili Palmer. Okay. Number three

0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:21.360
<v Speaker 2>on paw and order, I would not minimize or ignore

0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:24.600
<v Speaker 2>if my cat seems a little bit off. They are very,

0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:29.480
<v Speaker 2>very tough. If a dog stubs his toe, he's screaming

0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:31.960
<v Speaker 2>like he's dying. If a cat is in full throttle

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:34.879
<v Speaker 2>like kidney failure, you usually have no idea. They are

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:35.480
<v Speaker 2>so tough.

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:39.000
<v Speaker 1>They are tough. Again, I think people don't really realize it,

0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:43.120
<v Speaker 1>but cats are. They're predators. You know. They don't like

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:47.360
<v Speaker 1>to show weakness. Dogs definitely a bit more dramatic or

0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:52.279
<v Speaker 1>have a flair for the dramatics who us. But I

0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:55.680
<v Speaker 1>think it's always really really important to just do regular

0:44:55.719 --> 0:44:58.480
<v Speaker 1>preventive care visits with your cat once a year. I

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:00.160
<v Speaker 1>think I saw a study, I think from the main

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:03.880
<v Speaker 1>society that said majority of cats do not go in

0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:06.520
<v Speaker 1>for yearly checkups because you know, it could be a

0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:08.520
<v Speaker 1>hassle for people to bring them in yearly if they

0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:10.680
<v Speaker 1>seem to be doing well. But I think you will

0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:12.279
<v Speaker 1>look at the teeth, we'll listen to the hearts, we'll

0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 1>talk about obesity, if they have weight issues. There's a

0:45:15.320 --> 0:45:18.160
<v Speaker 1>lot of things that go into that yearly checkup that

0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:22.560
<v Speaker 1>even if they're fine, they may not be and especially

0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:25.760
<v Speaker 1>when you start noticing little small things, if they're not eating,

0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:28.200
<v Speaker 1>if they're losing weights, you if they're drinking more. These

0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:31.640
<v Speaker 1>are all signs that something's happening by your cat. This

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:34.600
<v Speaker 1>definitely does not want you to kind of pick up

0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:34.800
<v Speaker 1>on that.

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Mm hm. I feel like so often we talk about

0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:40.960
<v Speaker 2>you said, teeth and dental disease with dogs especially, we

0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:44.520
<v Speaker 2>see like chihuahuas with gross mouths or docs in with

0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:46.279
<v Speaker 2>all this plaque and tartar on there. But cats are

0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:49.000
<v Speaker 2>very sneaky and that they may not have tons of

0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:52.680
<v Speaker 2>plaqu and tartar, but they can have really significant dental disease,

0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:56.520
<v Speaker 2>specifically something called resort devisions where to the untrained eye

0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:58.400
<v Speaker 2>you would never ever notice it, and that's something that

0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:00.799
<v Speaker 2>we diagnose all the time, and we know that it's

0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:04.120
<v Speaker 2>really painful for them. So again, just another reason like

0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:06.239
<v Speaker 2>getting them in once a year so that we can

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:07.680
<v Speaker 2>get a really good look in their mouth and make

0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:10.279
<v Speaker 2>sure they're not living in pain and not showing us

0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:10.920
<v Speaker 2>any signs of it.

0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the reserved a lesions are the bane of my

0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:16.680
<v Speaker 1>existence sometimes that I call them just like cat cavities. Essentially,

0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:18.719
<v Speaker 1>that's what they are. And basically it's where the tooth

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:22.760
<v Speaker 1>is kind of disintegrating and resorbing essentially back into the jot.

0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:25.680
<v Speaker 1>It's a pretty painful process when it happens, as you

0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 1>could imagine. The only real treatment is to remove the tooth,

0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:33.080
<v Speaker 1>and once they get one, they're prone to getting more,

0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:36.239
<v Speaker 1>so they may get more in time. My fun fact

0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:38.960
<v Speaker 1>that I tell clients about them, it's just kind of

0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:41.120
<v Speaker 1>a cat thing that happens with their genetics. I went

0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:43.520
<v Speaker 1>to one CE and the dentist said that even on

0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:48.280
<v Speaker 1>saber tooth tiger like fossils, they were seeing these resorved

0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:51.040
<v Speaker 1>a lesions. Really, so, the specialist said, so, I think

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:52.800
<v Speaker 1>that's a fun nugget that I tell people. It's just

0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:54.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of a cat thing that happens.

0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Maybe those cats that get resorped ilesions are like the

0:46:57.280 --> 0:47:00.400
<v Speaker 2>great great great great grandchildren of the saber tooth tiger.

0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:02.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean they're descended yet they are.

0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:03.040
<v Speaker 2>That's so cool.

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:07.239
<v Speaker 1>You're you have a vicious predator in your house the

0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:10.760
<v Speaker 1>size of making biscuits exactly. And that's that's why. That's

0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:12.799
<v Speaker 1>the duality of cats. You know, they can be making

0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:15.440
<v Speaker 1>biscuits in Cuddley and they can be vicious predators. So

0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 1>I like that they're complex like that, just like.

0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:22.600
<v Speaker 2>You, my favorite housecat. Amazing. Well, thank you so much

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:26.640
<v Speaker 2>for coming in, Bean, I absolutely adore you, and we

0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:29.759
<v Speaker 2>covered a lot of ground here today. I would say,

0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:32.960
<v Speaker 2>if you guys still have any cat questions for us,

0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:35.560
<v Speaker 2>let us know. You can always DM me on Instagram

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.799
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0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:43.240
<v Speaker 2>on Instagram. His Instagram handle is at since You Bean Gone,

0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:48.480
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