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Speaker 1: You're listening to in the Vets Office with doctor Josie Horchak.

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Speaker 2: Hi everyone, and welcome back to in the Vets Office.

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Speaker 2: I am your host, Doctor Josie, and this is a

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Speaker 2: very exciting week because we are joined by one of

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Speaker 2: my very best friends in the entire world, Doctor Andrew Bean,

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Speaker 2: who I will be calling Bean for the entirety of

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Speaker 2: this episode. Bean and I went to veterinary school together

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Speaker 2: at the Ohio State University. We worked together in Chicago

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Speaker 2: at Boulevard Vet. Shout out Boulevard if you're in Chicago,

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Speaker 2: check them out. They are the best. Bean is actually

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Speaker 2: now a partner there. It's hands down the best VET

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Speaker 2: clinic in all of Chicago Land. And he is in

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Speaker 2: Nashville today to film this episode with me. So welcome Bean.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: I oh, let's go.

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Speaker 1: You have to do it when you're together, we.

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Speaker 2: Have to go buck Eyes. The main reason I asked

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Speaker 2: doctor Bean to come today is because we've done so

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Speaker 2: many episodes centered on dogs, and a lot of listeners say, hey,

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Speaker 2: you're giving all the love to the dogs. What about

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Speaker 2: the cats? And Doctor Bean is the cat king, so

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Speaker 2: love them, he says, love them.

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Speaker 1: I only have one, but I would kill to have

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Speaker 1: more of them. I just cannot handle it, but I

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Speaker 1: would have as many as I could stand.

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Speaker 2: I don't think your cat Zelda would allow you to

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Speaker 2: have more than just her. I feel like she's an

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Speaker 2: only child.

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Speaker 1: That is the problem. I think she is the queen

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Speaker 1: of her roost. She does not like when new faces

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Speaker 1: come in. So when she dies, which is going to

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Speaker 1: be still a long time, hopefully never forever, but when

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Speaker 1: she does pass, I might get two or three or four,

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Speaker 2: Perfect You will see those like tiktoks or videos where

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Speaker 2: it's like this person's a Golden Retriever, and I always

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Speaker 2: joke that our friendship, I'm like the Golden Retriever with

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Speaker 2: like a little bit of Terrier, maybe a sprinkle of Chihuahua.

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Speaker 2: And you are a house cat. I tell you I

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Speaker 2: love you, and you say thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. That is very a cat. That is a

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Speaker 1: cat answer.

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Speaker 2: It is a cat answer. And I'm very happy because

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Speaker 2: I wear my cat socks today. Can you see in

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Speaker 2: the camera I got my cat socks. So yeah, we're

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Speaker 2: ready to go. We're gonna talk all things cats. We

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Speaker 2: always start our episode with the case of the week.

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Speaker 2: And since you're here, doctor Bean, I'm gonna let you

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Speaker 2: take it away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So sticking with our theme, it is a cat

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Speaker 1: that I saw actually recently, a few weeks ago. It's

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Speaker 1: a four month old kitten that I saw. They presented

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Speaker 1: super lethargic, hadne eaten in days, just really not doing well.

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Speaker 2: And you had just seen it like a few weeks

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Speaker 1: I saw it a week before for like its first

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Speaker 1: just looking at it, the whole cat was yellow, ears, skin, gums, eyes,

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Speaker 1: Like immediate red flag. You're like something's up, like this

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Speaker 1: It's a lot. So we pulled the fluid off and

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Speaker 1: we essentially diagnosed it with a disease called FIP, or

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Speaker 1: feeling infectious paraniitis. Cats in general, I think are a

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Speaker 1: It is a black market drug.

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Speaker 2: Dealer or cat for your cat, but it saves her life.

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Speaker 1: and I'll tell them it works. Do it a testimony exactly.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 2: I know we both have lost you know, especially coming

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Speaker 2: out of school almost eight years ago. Now, we lost

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Speaker 2: a game changer for sure.

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Speaker 1: So if your cat has FIP, there is hope. Now

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Speaker 1: there's legal, good hope. So talk to your veterinarian if

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Speaker 2: listener question and answers. Hey, doctor Josie, my cat will

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Speaker 1: of stress or behavior issue, and there's absolutely some things

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Speaker 2: One thing that I always think of is people come

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Speaker 2: Shout out cat daddies. I love that you said something

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Speaker 2: it comes and plug in sprays wipes. I highly recommend.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Any behavior she with a cat. Any

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Speaker 2: Absolutely works one hundred percent agree And we'll even sometimes

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Speaker 1: Doesn't hurt at all. You know, it's much easier than

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Speaker 2: That's called it Feel Away everyone. You can get it

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Speaker 2: on Amazon. It's awesome. Okay, I'm just going to hit

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Speaker 2: you with some like topics, big cat topics, and we're

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Speaker 2: in number one, what do you think about bathing your cat?

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Speaker 1: So I get this question a lot. I will say

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Speaker 2: Totally agree. I totally agree. I'm saying like, I feel

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Speaker 2: the heck, Like, please don't Susan, just stop?

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Speaker 2: a bad idea to have some clippers. Obviously you don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, lungs are good, easy.

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Speaker 2: As long as they're nice. I'm not trying to kill us.

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Speaker 1: No, we can. We can make it happen.

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Speaker 2: Usually, definitely. Okay, what do you think about hairballs?

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Speaker 1: Hairballs? I as a doctor, I hate them because I

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Speaker 1: this is a great talk that I just came to.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for nothing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. But I think unfortunately it's kind of something

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Speaker 1: diet with like flavorless spinner mucles always my kind of

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Speaker 2: a pinch?

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Speaker 1: No, I think it's like a quarter to a half

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Speaker 2: I say a pinch for everyone out there.

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Speaker 1: That's how that's It's like a small little.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well everyone measured.

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Speaker 1: I guess that's the cat energy is. I want it measured.

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Speaker 1: I want a particular I want it the right way.

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Speaker 1: And you're like a dog like I'm just gonna throw something.

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Speaker 2: Throw it on there, honey, and just see how it goes.

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Speaker 2: It's fiber, I mean that, what can happen? Okay, keep going,

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Speaker 2: what's the next thing?

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Speaker 1: And then this other product that we like, which again

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Speaker 1: not sponsored by them. We just like the hat.

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Speaker 2: We're plugging all our products. This is great.

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Speaker 1: It's called laxotone. It's like a pace that you like

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Speaker 1: It's like a lubricant to just help kind of get

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I really like laxotone. It comes into maple and

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Speaker 2: lot of success. I know, it's not like we don't

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00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,560
Speaker 2: have any major studies, but I feel like a lot

439
00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,280
Speaker 2: of my clients have told me they see a lot

440
00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,720
Speaker 2: of success with it, so definitely worth a shot. If

441
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,680
Speaker 2: your a cat has a lot of hairballs, were the shot?

442
00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the goal is always improvement. I tell

443
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,240
Speaker 1: people the goals to minimize the hairballs. I don't think

444
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 1: we can ever stop them with anything that we have now.

445
00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just part of part of them grooming themselves. Okay,

446
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,440
Speaker 2: what do you say too? I have so many clients saying, Josie,

447
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 2: should I feed dry food? Should I feed wet food?

448
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:53,439
Speaker 1: Like?

449
00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,040
Speaker 2: What is the answer as far as feeding your cats?

450
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,679
Speaker 1: I would say this is a controversial question because I

451
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 1: feel you probably will hear a lot of different opinions

452
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,240
Speaker 1: for different beats. Personally, I like a mix of wet

453
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 1: and dry. I think there's pros and cons for each

454
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,800
Speaker 1: of them, and I think, hey, a little bit of

455
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 1: each goes a long way. Some bets, I think, will

456
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 1: say wet only, and I don't think that's bad or wrong.

457
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,879
Speaker 1: That's just not, you know, my preference. But again, unless

458
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 1: your cat is like a specific disease that they need

459
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,720
Speaker 1: wet food, they need canned food. Then I personally like

460
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:26,440
Speaker 1: the mix of both.

461
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 2: I like it to add a little crunchy in there

462
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,440
Speaker 2: because I think it helps break down plack and harder,

463
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,880
Speaker 2: like that act of chewing. Really it can be helpful.

464
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,479
Speaker 2: And cats like their crunchies. I will say crunchies can

465
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,639
Speaker 2: make them a little bit more fat.

466
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,159
Speaker 1: They're a little more calorie dense dry foods, and so

467
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 1: wet food is usually thought of as helping a little

468
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 1: bit more with weight loss. You know, they feel more full,

469
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 1: they don't want to eat quite as much some cats.

470
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Speaker 1: You know. I have clients all the time say the

471
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 1: cat will only eat right, will not eat wet, and

472
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 1: they get very stressed out of pan it, and it's like, yeah,

473
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 1: he's a cat. You can't force them to need something

474
00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 1: they don't want to. If that's what it is, then

475
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:00,680
Speaker 1: and that's what it is.

476
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna do in true cat fashion. They're gonna

477
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 2: do what they want when they want. So it's definitely

478
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,119
Speaker 2: not the end of the world. I agree. I have

479
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 2: clients that really really get stuck on this, and if

480
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,719
Speaker 2: they don't like one or the other, it is certainly

481
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:14,959
Speaker 2: not the end of the world. But I do think

482
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 2: a mixture of both is important, especially because cats really

483
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 2: don't love to drink water. I feel like we have

484
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: to encourage them. One thing we had talked about was

485
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: I like having the water fountain. Again, we're not really

486
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,239
Speaker 2: sure how much how scientific it is, but I do

487
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 2: think that they tend to drink more out of those

488
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:32,959
Speaker 2: running water fountains.

489
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: I think it's always been the wisdom. I think for

490
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 1: a long time we were recommending fountains. I have a

491
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: fountain just because I like a cute little water feature. Yeah,

492
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: they do my apartment. But I think studies are coming

493
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 1: out where they're kind of saying, we don't think it

494
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 1: really makes a huge difference. But again, it's not gonna

495
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,719
Speaker 1: hurt if you like a little water feature. If it helps,

496
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 1: then it's a win win.

497
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 2: Definitely not. I like to watch the videos of the

498
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: cats drinking out of the faucets too. It's so cute.

499
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,439
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, my cat, if you leave a

500
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: water glass of water anywhere in the house, she is

501
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: going to drink out of it. And so sometimes I

502
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: have to decide. If a glass of water has been

503
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: sitting up for a while, I say, do I risk it?

504
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: Do I drink this.

505
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 2: And I usually will your swapping spit with Alda.

506
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: You know what, It's fine. I scoop her poop by

507
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: clean her all the time. It's it's okay, she's your daughter.

508
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the dry food is more calorie dense, which

509
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 2: kind of brings us to fat cats. I find that

510
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,239
Speaker 2: especially in multi cat households, like if you have one

511
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: or you know, two cats, three cats, there's always a

512
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 2: chonker and then the other cat tends to be like

513
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 2: pretty skinny, which is very frustrating for owners. And just

514
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: getting a cat to lose weight in general is just

515
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 2: the bane of my existence.

516
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 1: It's tough, it's a challenge, and I will tell people

517
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: with a multi cat household we getting weight loss. It's

518
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: not impossible, it's just harder. So it does take a

519
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: little bit of work and time and time because yeah,

520
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: you usually will have one cat that is stealing all

521
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 1: the food and you can tell which one, oh, you know,

522
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: And usually I recommend what I would call kind of

523
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 1: strict meal feeding. Basically, you have your food, you're measured out,

524
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 1: you put it down ten minutes his meal time. At

525
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: the end, you pick it up and that's it. Some

526
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 1: owners I know have these like fancy microchip feeders that

527
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: if your cat does have a microchip, it scans it

528
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: and it'll dispense food out depending on which microchip they're scanning.

529
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 1: A little pricey, but I know somewhere is that it's

530
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: worked really well for.

531
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I have some owners that I've used

532
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 2: the microchip ones and it's so cool. It's like, Okay,

533
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 2: here is Fluffy, We're going to feed him x amount,

534
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 2: and here's fat Sassy, We're going to feed her way

535
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 2: less so fat Sassy, no I think. I think, yeah,

536
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: if you can afford them, great, If not, I really

537
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 2: do like the timed feedings, just like you said. And

538
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: if you don't know how much to feed your cat,

539
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 2: ask your vet because all the cat foods have very

540
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 2: different amount of calories in them and it can be

541
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 2: confusing and following I always say this, but following the

542
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 2: back of the bag or what the can recommends you

543
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: always going to end up, for the most part overfeeding

544
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 2: your cats and your dogs. So talk to your vet.

545
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: They'll give you an exact calorie coount. You can look

546
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: at what how many calories are in the foods you're

547
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: feeding and come up with a little weight Watchers game

548
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: plan because obesity and cats, especially in all of our pets,

549
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: but especially in our cats, really can lead to a

550
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 2: lot of long term issues. I feel like our fat

551
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 2: cats are so prone to getting diabetes and joint issues.

552
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 2: So it's definitely something we want to stay on top.

553
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: Of, definitely. And I mean cats are kind of silent sufferers.

554
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: You know, they will hide illness or hide disease. So

555
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, if you have kind of a fat,

556
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: old thread cat, they're hurting. You know they're hurting, and

557
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: getting weight loss off of them is tricky, but again

558
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: not impossible and should always be the goal.

559
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: I agree. Okay, what do you think about people? I

560
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: have a lot of clients that say, Okay, I can't

561
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: get my cat to stop jumping on my counters. What

562
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 2: do I do?

563
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: So, I mean, my cat does not jump on the counter,

564
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 1: is hees perfect? So I think it's you know, it's

565
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: a training issue. I think you'll try to obviously discourage

566
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: it when they are jumping up the kind of a

567
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: couple of tricks that I'll recommend to people. Cats in

568
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: general are very tactile. They based a lot of their

569
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: decisions on how things feel, so putting like double sided

570
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 1: tape on the countertop or like aluminum foil. Sometimes serran

571
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: wrap also works. They hate how that feels, so they'll

572
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: usually jump on and immediately jump off. And so the

573
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: hope is that they just learned that they just don't

574
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: jump up there because it feels weird for them.

575
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 2: And it's like dogs, where you start. If you start

576
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 2: them young as a kitten, hopefully they don't develop that

577
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 2: bad habit.

578
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: With all behaviors cats and dogs, start them young, trim

579
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: their nails young if you can. Yeah, get any sort

580
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: of behavior shoes kind of sorted as early as possible

581
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: is going to be your best way to get it sorted.

582
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I do get it. I think you

583
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 2: know your cats are going into the litter boxes or

584
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: peeing and pooping, and then if they're like walking across

585
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: your kitchen counter, it's probably not the best thing in

586
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: the world. So that is fair. Zalda doesn't jump on

587
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 2: your kitchen counter at all.

588
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: No, wow, at all.

589
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 2: You were a strict cat daddy.

590
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: I I mean I would say, I'm not. I am

591
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: not tempted by their their tricks. You know, cats and dogs.

592
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: I see them begging for food, I see them asking

593
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: tricks or things you have to be You have to

594
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: be stronger, you have to be stronger totally.

595
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: I think having some structure is a really good thing

596
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: sets you up for success. What do you think about

597
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: keeping cats on flea, tick and heartworm prevention all ye round?

598
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: Especially my clients will say, my cat doesn't go outside

599
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: their indoors only. Do I really need to do that?

600
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: This is a tough one. I know. I'm going to

601
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: be very honest. I think you know, if you go

602
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: to your vet, your vet is probably going to recommend

603
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: this is my cat on flea and tick? She is not.

604
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: I kind of explain it to people, Hey, it's all

605
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: about how you manage risk and how comfortable you are

606
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: with risk. Can I say that it's impossible that your

607
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: cat will get fleas if they're indoor only, It's not impossible.

608
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: I've definitely seen cats get fleas when they're indoor only.

609
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: Is it likely not likely? So if you're a person

610
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: that wants no risk, you want to make sure you're covered,

611
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 1: then I would definitely stay on flee in tick. If

612
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: you're somebody that's like, you know, a little ambiguity is fine.

613
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: I can manage it. If it comes along, then you

614
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: may not have to put them on flee in tick.

615
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a good, really good point also too,

616
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: like depending on where you live, Like being is in

617
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: downtown Chicago in a high rise. It gets very very

618
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: cold there in the winter. I feel like you don't

619
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: see as many fleas, like down here in the South

620
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 2: in Nashville, we see so many fleas. And I think

621
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: if you have like cats, and you have dogs in

622
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: the house or other pets, you know, if they're going

623
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 2: outside at all, then having them on prevention makes a

624
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 2: lot of sense. But yeah, if you're in like New

625
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: York City or Chicago and you're living on the twentieth floor,

626
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: the risk of them not being on prevention is pretty low.

627
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: Pros and cons with each side. I think if they

628
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: have like a skin disease, I'll always recommend being on

629
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: free preventional least for a month or two. Just in

630
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: case cats. A lot of times you will not see

631
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: fleas on a cat. They groom themselves so so well,

632
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: and so I've had cases where we work them up

633
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: for alogies or other causes for itching and scratching, and

634
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: you do special diets, you do medications, you spend it

635
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: to a specialist and it was just a flea all

636
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: that time, and it's like, just put them on flee

637
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: prevention initially to see if it works, because that's such

638
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: an easy fix for kind of what I would call

639
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: a stupid problem. Yeah, and can save people a lot

640
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: of time and money.

641
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 2: It's funny how you say that, Like dogs will see

642
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: them come in with fleas and it's so obvious they're

643
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 2: crawling in fleas, and then a cat comes in and

644
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: they are so meticulous they've like plucked each tiny little

645
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: flea off, and so you don't always know.

646
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: Oh no, and usually you never know, usually don't see them.

647
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: That's why I think always, if we're having a skin problem,

648
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: sort of, flea prevention is always a smart idea.

649
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like twenty bucks and maybe thirty bucks now

650
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: and covers your bases and can definitely save you a

651
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: lot of time and money if that's what it is. Okay,

652
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: what do you think about my favorite thing in the

653
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: entire world, which is when cats make biscuits?

654
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: What is everyone's favorite.

655
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: Things when they're in they no, she.

656
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: Uh now, it's it warms your heart when a cat

657
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: decides for the first time that they want to make

658
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: biscuits on you. It's like they have decided they love you,

659
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: they care about you. And that's why I like cats

660
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: more than dogs. I feel like a dog. Most dogs,

661
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: you give a treat, they love you forever. A cat

662
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: you really have to work for them to love you,

663
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: and when they love you back, it is.

664
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: Like nothing else, like you won the lottery. Oh you've

665
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: been chosen.

666
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have been chosen. And so when they make biscuits,

667
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's a couple theories out there.

668
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: I think some one time I read that as kitts

669
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: they do it to like stimulate milk production in their

670
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: mom so they you know, maybe they feel like you're

671
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: a parental figure. They love you, they're comfortable, they want

672
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: to kind of get a nice comfortable spot going because

673
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes my cat can make biscuits for

674
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: like twenty thirty minutes, really not long, and I say,

675
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: we get enough biscuits. We have too many biscuits. Now

676
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: we made many.

677
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: Who's gonna eat all these biscuits?

678
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: Exactly?

679
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: That is crazy twenty thirty minutes. I didn't know that.

680
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: Oh she'll she can go. I've seen cats can go

681
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: for a long time.

682
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: Wow, just working away in the bakery just making biscus.

683
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: Oh there's nothing cute or oh I love it. I

684
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: need you to send me a picture of Zalda making biscuits.

685
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: I have videos I'll show you after this.

686
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: On your chest making them, yeah, like on your chest.

687
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: On your ab, demand on your back, like wherever they

688
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: want to do. Cat's jeless, do whatever.

689
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: I wish I could have a cat. I don't. I

690
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: as everyone knows, I have three dogs and my husband

691
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: is like deathly allergic. I would have to literally get

692
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: rid of him in order to have a cat.

693
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I love him, I love your husband, But

694
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: I mean I like cats a lot too, So I don't.

695
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: I'd have to think about it.

696
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: It depends on the day. Some days I'm like, get out,

697
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: give me the cats. I will say.

698
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: There.

699
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: One thing that we haven't talked about is there is

700
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: a diet out there that Purina makes clear, live clear,

701
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,479
Speaker 2: something like that, and the cats eat it. And one

702
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: of like the main sources of allergens and cats comes

703
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: from their saliva and their dander, and it's supposed to

704
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 2: kind of like change that so that if you do

705
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: have allergies, you're less allergic to the cats. I've had

706
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: some owners say it works.

707
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: I've had some owners say it works. Yeah. I always

708
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: sell owners. You know, we don't have any studies. We

709
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: don't have any like research that proves this, I think,

710
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: but I've had owners try it and they think it

711
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: works and they're happy with it. So hey, if it.

712
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: Works, yeah, great, definitely worth a shot. I think the

713
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: big thing for me is like, if you know you're

714
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: highly allergic, you probably shouldn't get a cat because then

715
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: you're just gonna have to end up rehoming it. If

716
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: you already have the cat and you're experiencing allergies, great, like,

717
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: this is a great option to try live clear Purina.

718
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: Look at us, we're plugging again. Someone sponsor us.

719
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: Thanks my god, we love your stuff. Please sponsor us.

720
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: Pay us. We're poor. Okay. Next is what do you

721
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: think about outdoor cats?

722
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: So again, it's kind of again how you manage risk

723
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: and everything. I think. I live in city of Chicago.

724
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: I would not let my cat outdoors, you know, as

725
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: long as you're doing it responsibly. Maybe if you're out

726
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: in like a more rural area or a suburban area,

727
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, if they're vaccinated appropriately, if they have flee

728
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: intake prevention if you're doing regular fecal checks. So if

729
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: you're doing it and doing it responsibly, it's okay. But

730
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: I think you always need to know that there is

731
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: a real risk that's something absolutely devastating could happen. You know,

732
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: there's a very real risk it could get hit by

733
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: a car, get attacked by another animal. So I mean

734
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: that's how I will always phrase it. It just depends on

735
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: how you kind of are with risks.

736
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with that. And I think if

737
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: you have an indoor cat that's like itching to go out,

738
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: but you don't want to like let it free roam.

739
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: You had said, getting it harness is a great idea.

740
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: The little cadios are so cute where you can stick

741
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: them in their backyard and then they can roam around

742
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: in it and see the sun and the birds and

743
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: feel the wind in their hairs, but don't necessarily run

744
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: the risk of escaping and you know, getting killed by

745
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: a coyote or a bobcat.

746
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: And they have like backpacks that you can put them

747
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: in that have windows and holes, so you can do that.

748
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: They have strollers. I love a cat rolling down the

749
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: street in a stroll. I don't care what it looks like.

750
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's embarrassing to the people, I support it.

751
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: So I support you getting a cat stroller and rolling

752
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 1: around in it.

753
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: If I see you pushing your cat in a stroller,

754
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: just it's over. I'm going to come over and be

755
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: the happiest person alive. I have a patient that comes

756
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: in and it's a really big sphinx cat, so like

757
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: a naked cat, and she wiliers a big pearl necklace.

758
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: The cat does and she comes in her stroller with

759
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: her cheetah blanket, and I'm like, this is the best

760
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: day of my life. Amazing.

761
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: They always come in with like the cutest like sweaters

762
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: because they're naked. Yeah, they don't have fur, they are naked.

763
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: You're funny though, that's awesome.

764
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: Misconception. People think, oh, I have allergies, I can get

765
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: a naked cat. But no, it's sadly the allergies are

766
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: in their saliva and I'm a little allergic to cats.

767
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: And I'll still like tear up and sneeze after cuddling

768
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: and stuffing my face on a naked cat. It's too bad. Okay.

769
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: Next on the docket, what would you say to someone

770
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: that already has a cat or a dog and they're

771
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: introing and bringing in new cat into the household.

772
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:02,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's a lot of things you can do.

773
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: You know, I always will say it can be a

774
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: little unpredictable. You could be doing everything right and the

775
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: cats still aren't getting along the cat and the dog

776
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: is still not getting wrong along. But generally you want

777
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: to take it nice and easy. I usually say, first

778
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: couple days, just keep them in separate rooms. Maybe the

779
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: classic thingel here is to switch blankets between rooms so

780
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: they smell each other, so they get their scent, and

781
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: then you kind of gradually increase it to kind of

782
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: supervise visits from afar. It's where they see each other,

783
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: and then again getting to more closer actual contact and all.

784
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: That's really over a week or so if they're real,

785
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: real sensitive, maybe even longer. Yeah, but I feel away

786
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: what we talked about before is a great thing to

787
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: help the cats relax a little bit more when there

788
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: is a new cat coming, to help decrease the temperature

789
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: a little bit.

790
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, so, and Steady wins the race. One thing

791
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 2: that this makes me think of is if you're bringing

792
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: in a new cat. Most people are getting their cats

793
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 2: from a shelter, even if it is coming from a breeder,

794
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: is doing the triple test for your new cat coming in,

795
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: which tests them for FIV, which is like kitty aids essentially,

796
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: and then FeLV which is feeling leukemia virus, which are contagious.

797
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: You can transmit them through bites and sharing food bowls

798
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: and water bowls. So anytime you're entering a new cat,

799
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: you definitely want to make sure they're negative for those

800
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: two things. And your vet will know exactly what to

801
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 2: test for. So check the papers that you're given, whether

802
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: it's from the shelter or your breeder, see if they've

803
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: done the test. If they haven't, I would definitely get

804
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 2: that checked prior to introducing them to other cats in

805
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: the house.

806
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, ibsltly recommend that test. I think you know,

807
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: it's just one test usually right when you get them,

808
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: make sure they're negative for that, and then you really

809
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about it ever again, because I

810
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: have seen one case I can think of they did

811
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: not want to do with the leukemia as fiv's tests

812
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: and they had other cats at home the cat ended

813
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: up being positive. We found out later and then the

814
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 1: other cats got it, and it's just a really sad

815
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: situation that is very avoidable.

816
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Okay, this is sort of a random one,

817
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: but I have some clients come in and they say,

818
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: my cat looks like it's having like a spasm on

819
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: its back sometimes where it does like all this sort

820
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: of like twitching. What what do you say that that is,

821
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: doctor Meade.

822
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: So I'd say that very commonly is something that we

823
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: would just call feeling hyperesthesia syndrome. And it's basically where

824
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of poorly understood. It's basically maybe

825
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: where the nerves are a little bit over excited and

826
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: they have these twitching spells. Some people think it's like

827
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: allergy related, if it's like a skin issue. Some people

828
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: think it's like, again, a primary neurologic issue. Sometimes I've

829
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: seen anxiety as a potential cause. And so again it's

830
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: definitely something that you can talk about with your vets.

831
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: But the kind of trouble is treating this is a

832
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: bit of trial and error. Sometimes you try anti seizure meds,

833
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: sometimes you try anxiety medication, sometimes you try allergy medications.

834
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: And so it's tough to again, but the goal oftentimes

835
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: is to not maybe stop it altogether, but just try

836
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 1: to minimize it to where it's at an acceptable level.

837
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: I agree with that, and I feel like it can

838
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: be something as benign as they're just kind of overstimulated

839
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: and their little back does these twitchies, but it definitely

840
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 2: can represent something a little bit more sinister. So taking

841
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: them into the vet and getting a good exam is

842
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: definitely the place to start.

843
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I have one client who's kat has a

844
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: very severe case of it, and she's done on an

845
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: incredible job but just even doing her own research and

846
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 1: working with me and trying to figure out what cocktail

847
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: and what a couple of medications will work for him,

848
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 1: and he's doing great.

849
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: Love that.

850
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: If you're listening, you know who you are.

851
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: Shout out to the good owners. Love you guys. All right,

852
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: we are going to take a quick break and when

853
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: we come back, we're going to do our paw and order.

854
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: All right, we are back and we're going to dive

855
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: right into our paw and order. Number one on the

856
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: dock at this week is I would not scoop my

857
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: cat's litter, or I'd be very mindful at least if

858
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: I was pregnant, what do you say to that, doctor Bean?

859
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'd say be mindful. I think the big

860
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: reason why pregnant women should just be cautious when scooping

861
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: letter other cats is there's a parasite called toxic plasmosis

862
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: that cats can have that I believe has been known

863
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: to cause like abortions and miscarriages in women. And again,

864
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: if you want to be extra extra safe, yes, you

865
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: have your partner do it, have somebody else do it.

866
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: But in school, we were taught if you're just regularly

867
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: cleaning the box daily or every other day, your risk

868
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: of contracting this is very, very low. I believe our

869
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: parasitology professor would tell us that it can take a

870
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: few days for the kind of parasite to become infectious.

871
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: After that they've been pooped out essentially, So here's being

872
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: diligent cleaning your litter box. Your risk is gonna be

873
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: pretty low. I would still use gloves, I still wash

874
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: your hands afterwards. But something to definitely be aware of.

875
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: Should not panic about it, shouldn't be afraid of it,

876
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: but just be aware, be educated, and make a plan.

877
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: You don't need to be in a hals mat suit.

878
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: Just stay on top of it, wear some gloves. Make

879
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: your husband do it, and make your husband do it. Yes,

880
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: get those cat daddy's working. Yes, Okay, number two, I

881
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 2: would not declaw my cats. I know I have said

882
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: this before on this show. I'm pretty sure I've done

883
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: a whole pond order on it. But We're gonna die

884
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: on this hill because I feel very, very very strongly

885
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: about this.

886
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: Yes, this is declined cats. I think ten years ago

887
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: was a common practice. And I've done a few the

888
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: surgeries previously, and they are just real tough surgeries. You know,

889
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: it is a It is a brutal surgery where you're

890
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: pretty much just removing the kind of you last knuckle

891
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: or last digit of their of their finger. And these

892
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: cats are painful. It can cause chronic pain. And and

893
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: you know, I've had clients say, well, my last cat

894
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: was declouded and I've not seen any sort of issues.

895
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: They seem fine. And cats are fighters, cats are survivors.

896
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: They're going to hide the pain. They're going to keep

897
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: moving on. You're not going to see a sign of pain.

898
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: But I can tell you these cats are really uncomfortable

899
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: long term.

900
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean you hear. We hear from our

901
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: amputees as humans that anytime you have a joint or

902
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 2: anything that's been amputated like that, you can have phantom

903
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: pains and you're more prone to arthritis. And so imagine

904
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: in this case, it's disarticulating ten joints in there, well,

905
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: probably eight, I guess, depending on how many tobines they have, which,

906
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: by the way, I love tobines, but des articulating at

907
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: least eight of their wait, no, four, ten?

908
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, those are your front four? Me on

909
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: the back, YEAHI on the front.

910
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. Way, I can't do the math.

911
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: That's twenty if you do all of them.

912
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: If you do all of them, oh my god, twenty

913
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: little joints having phantom pain.

914
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 1: And especially if your cat is an afdoor cat, decline

915
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: them is dangerous. You know. They need their claws to

916
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: defend themselves in case anything does happen while they're outside.

917
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they just they do have a lot of

918
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: chronic They can have a lot of chronic issues with

919
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 2: chronic arthritis. Like doctor Bean said, it's actually illegal now

920
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: in Australia. I think it's illegal in like certain states

921
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: here in.

922
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: The US, New York is illegal.

923
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: Now we're moving away from it, which I'm happy to see.

924
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: I think the one caveat I will say the only

925
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: reason that some people will allow declaw is if someone

926
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: in the house doesn't mean a compromised so like cat

927
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: scratch fever, or you're getting some sort of infectious disease

928
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: from the cat scratch could be you know, debilitating for

929
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: these people, you know, if they're undergoing cancer or they

930
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: have some other kind of disease. So that's kind of

931
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: the only exception where we can declaw the cats. But

932
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: I've never run into any of that yet. I've not

933
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: had one that's asked to do it.

934
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: And otherwise, if your cat, if you are just a

935
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: regular cat owner that doesn't have you're not that exception.

936
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 2: There's a lot of great alternatives out there. Again. Feel

937
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: Away can be really helpful with annoying scratching behaviors, getting

938
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: a scratching post. And then my favorite is the soft Pause.

939
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 2: They're so cute. They're like little stick on gel nails

940
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: and they're pretty easy, I mean, depending on your cat,

941
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: they're fairly easy to apply and they're just like these

942
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: little gel caps and you get them on all different colors,

943
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: so they can look very very cute in chic and

944
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: and that keeps their nails covered so that way they're

945
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 2: not destroying your furniture.

946
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the easiest thing is just cut

947
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: their nails regularly. Start when they're young, start with they're kittens,

948
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: so that they're used to it, so that you can

949
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: do it regularly at home, because that's going to be

950
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: the easiest, simplest, simplest thing.

951
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it will desensitize them, for sure. It is frustrating.

952
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: My girlfriend just got a new couch and it's already

953
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 2: like frayed from her cat scratching it. And I just

954
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: I understand why people get frustrated. It probably is Oh.

955
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, my car. I got her when I was in undergrad,

956
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: so I did not know all this at the time.

957
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: And I mean, my couch is torn up to shreds.

958
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And everyone always yells at me, get a

959
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: new couch, get a new couch. If I get a

960
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: new couch, she's gonna do it again. So again I

961
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: have to wait till she dies to get a new couch.

962
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: But then again, she's gonna live forever, so who knows

963
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: what's going to happen.

964
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: We'll just have a stress.

965
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to live with the shudded couch.

966
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: There was one time I was very happy that a

967
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: patient was declaude. It was actually at Boulevard I was

968
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: working at in the River North location in downtown Chicago,

969
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: and a cat came in named Chili Palmer. I will

970
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: never forget him and shout out to Chili Palmer if

971
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: your parents are listening. I was sitting on the opposite

972
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: side of the room. The parents were on the other side.

973
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: The exam table was in the middle. This cat was

974
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: like completely on the other side of the room in

975
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: a corner. This cat launches up onto the table, takes

976
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: his paw and goes and just smacks me across the face,

977
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: like just like part of my friend. She bitch slapped

978
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: me and he was declawed. Thank god, otherwise I would

979
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: have like thrash remarks across my face.

980
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: It's hard to recover from that when a cat just

981
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: bitch slaps you and you're like, I don't know what

982
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: to do now. It's like like bye, I'll see you.

983
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 2: It'll buy right red. I just was like I'm just

984
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 2: gonna go away for a minute. You can't recover now,

985
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: like I would need to take a minute.

986
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: You have to take a excuse myself. I'll be back

987
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: or maybe not.

988
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: He was definitely I don't know what I did to

989
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 2: offend him, but my apologies, Chili Palmer. Okay. Number three

990
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: on paw and order, I would not minimize or ignore

991
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: if my cat seems a little bit off. They are very,

992
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: very tough. If a dog stubs his toe, he's screaming

993
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: like he's dying. If a cat is in full throttle

994
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 2: like kidney failure, you usually have no idea. They are

995
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: so tough.

996
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: They are tough. Again, I think people don't really realize it,

997
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: but cats are. They're predators. You know. They don't like

998
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: to show weakness. Dogs definitely a bit more dramatic or

999
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: have a flair for the dramatics who us. But I

1000
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: think it's always really really important to just do regular

1001
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: preventive care visits with your cat once a year. I

1002
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: think I saw a study, I think from the main

1003
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: society that said majority of cats do not go in

1004
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: for yearly checkups because you know, it could be a

1005
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: hassle for people to bring them in yearly if they

1006
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: seem to be doing well. But I think you will

1007
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: look at the teeth, we'll listen to the hearts, we'll

1008
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: talk about obesity, if they have weight issues. There's a

1009
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: lot of things that go into that yearly checkup that

1010
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: even if they're fine, they may not be and especially

1011
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 1: when you start noticing little small things, if they're not eating,

1012
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: if they're losing weights, you if they're drinking more. These

1013
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: are all signs that something's happening by your cat. This

1014
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: definitely does not want you to kind of pick up

1015
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: on that.

1016
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 2: Mm hm. I feel like so often we talk about

1017
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: you said, teeth and dental disease with dogs especially, we

1018
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: see like chihuahuas with gross mouths or docs in with

1019
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: all this plaque and tartar on there. But cats are

1020
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: very sneaky and that they may not have tons of

1021
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: plaqu and tartar, but they can have really significant dental disease,

1022
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: specifically something called resort devisions where to the untrained eye

1023
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 2: you would never ever notice it, and that's something that

1024
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: we diagnose all the time, and we know that it's

1025
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: really painful for them. So again, just another reason like

1026
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: getting them in once a year so that we can

1027
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: get a really good look in their mouth and make

1028
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: sure they're not living in pain and not showing us

1029
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: any signs of it.

1030
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, the reserved a lesions are the bane of my

1031
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: existence sometimes that I call them just like cat cavities. Essentially,

1032
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: that's what they are. And basically it's where the tooth

1033
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 1: is kind of disintegrating and resorbing essentially back into the jot.

1034
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: It's a pretty painful process when it happens, as you

1035
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: could imagine. The only real treatment is to remove the tooth,

1036
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: and once they get one, they're prone to getting more,

1037
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: so they may get more in time. My fun fact

1038
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: that I tell clients about them, it's just kind of

1039
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: a cat thing that happens with their genetics. I went

1040
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: to one CE and the dentist said that even on

1041
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: saber tooth tiger like fossils, they were seeing these resorved

1042
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: a lesions. Really, so, the specialist said, so, I think

1043
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: that's a fun nugget that I tell people. It's just

1044
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: kind of a cat thing that happens.

1045
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: Maybe those cats that get resorped ilesions are like the

1046
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: great great great great grandchildren of the saber tooth tiger.

1047
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: I mean they're descended yet they are.

1048
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: That's so cool.

1049
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: You're you have a vicious predator in your house the

1050
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: size of making biscuits exactly. And that's that's why. That's

1051
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: the duality of cats. You know, they can be making

1052
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: biscuits in Cuddley and they can be vicious predators. So

1053
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: I like that they're complex like that, just like.

1054
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: You, my favorite housecat. Amazing. Well, thank you so much

1055
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: for coming in, Bean, I absolutely adore you, and we

1056
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: covered a lot of ground here today. I would say,

1057
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: if you guys still have any cat questions for us,

1058
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: let us know. You can always DM me on Instagram

1059
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 2: at doctor Josie Vett. You can also find doctor Bean

1060
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 2: on Instagram. His Instagram handle is at since You Bean Gone,

1061
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: like the Kelly Clarkson song, and as always, click the

1062
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 2: link in my bio you can record a voicemail for

1063
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: us to play. And then, last but not least, please

1064
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: be sure to rate, review, subscribe, give us five stars,

1065
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: or a new podcast, so every single review counts and

1066
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: we'll see you guys next week