Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm
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Speaker 2: You might say that Birmingham, Alabama, was faded to become
Speaker 2: a center of industry, a place made rich by manufacturing
Speaker 2: products and shipping them across the globe. But all of
Speaker 2: that prosperity came at a cost, a human cost. Birmingham
Speaker 2: quickly became a center of iron production, but smelting all
Speaker 2: that iron ore was a laborious job that was deathly dangerous.
Speaker 2: Men sustained terrible injuries and were sometimes cooked alive from
Speaker 2: exposure to the molten iron. And as racial inequity and
Speaker 2: hostility toward Black Americans grew, the burden those men bore
Speaker 2: became disproportionately more perilous. The sloss furnaces contained the ghosts
Speaker 2: of some of the darkest moments in Birmingham history. And
Speaker 2: it's all still there today, being relived by those who
Speaker 2: won't or can't leave it behind. I'm Amy Bruney, and
Speaker 2: this is Haunted Road. When Birmingham was founded in eighteen
Speaker 2: seventy one, its planners envisioned a rich future in an
Speaker 2: Appalachian Valley in north central Alabama. The city sat at
Speaker 2: the crossroads of two railroad lines on one of the
Speaker 2: world's richest mineral Deposits hopes to establish a town with
Speaker 2: considerable industry were so high that investors in the Ellaton
Speaker 2: Land Company, the founding company of the city, named it
Speaker 2: after Birmingham, England, the epicenter of the iron industry in
Speaker 2: the UK. The plan worked thanks in large part to
Speaker 2: Sloss Furnaces, a processing plant that extracted iron from rocks
Speaker 2: by superheating the iron ore, converting it into liquid iron,
Speaker 2: and cool it into a solid that was then sold
Speaker 2: and used for countless purposes. Sloss Furnaces was built in
Speaker 2: eighteen eighty one, named after Colonel James Withers Sloss, one
Speaker 2: of Birmingham's founding fathers. Sloss played an important role in
Speaker 2: the founding of the city because he convinced a major
Speaker 2: railroad of the day to lay tracks through the fledgling town.
Speaker 2: In its first year, Sloss Furnaces sold twenty four thousand
Speaker 2: tons of iron. Along with other manufacturing plants, Sloss became
Speaker 2: so profitable so rapidly that Birmingham became known as Magic City,
Speaker 2: a nickname that came from the fact that the city
Speaker 2: grew so quickly it seemed to be by magic. By
Speaker 2: the mid eighteen eighties, Birmingham was a bona fide manufacturing hub.
Speaker 2: Demand grew so quickly that its owners began construction on
Speaker 2: a second furnace just a year after its opening. Combined,
Speaker 2: the furnaces could produce over two hundred and fifty tons
Speaker 2: of iron a day. Slas Furnaces National Historic Landmark describes
Speaker 2: the physical structure sixty feet high and eighteen feet in diameter.
Speaker 2: Sloss's new Whitwell stoves were the first of their type
Speaker 2: ever built in Birmingham and were comparable to similar equipment
Speaker 2: used in the North. Local observers were proud that much
Speaker 2: of the machinery used by Slass's new furnaces would be
Speaker 2: of Southern manufacture. It included two blowing engines and ten
Speaker 2: boilers thirty feet long and forty six inches in diameter.
Speaker 2: According to the podcast Homespun Haunts, pig iron, the main
Speaker 2: product of the furnaces, gets its name from the shape
Speaker 2: of the cooling trenches the workers would dump the molten
Speaker 2: iron into cool These trenches looked like a sow feeding
Speaker 2: piglets in eighteen eighty three, Sloss Furnaces won a bronze
Speaker 2: medal for the best pig Iron at the Louisville Exhibition.
Speaker 2: Iron was extracted in the two furnaces through a hot,
Speaker 2: dangerous process. As the Slass Furnaces Tour describes, Iron ore, limestone, coke,
Speaker 2: and hot air were continuously fed into the furnace, which
Speaker 2: would reach temperatures of thirty eight hundred degrees. As the
Speaker 2: materials moved down and hot air moved up in the furnace,
Speaker 2: two products accumulated in the bottom or hearth, molten iron
Speaker 2: and slag. The iron and slag were withdrawn or tapped
Speaker 2: through two holes called notches. About every four hours, the
Speaker 2: iron notch, located at the base of the furnace was opened,
Speaker 2: allowing the molten iron to flow out of the furnace.
Speaker 2: In addition to the furnaces themselves, the plant contained many
Speaker 2: more buildings, including ten boilers that would burn waste gas
Speaker 2: created inside the furnace during the iron making process, and
Speaker 2: a pyrometer house which contained the machines that measured temperature
Speaker 2: in the furnaces. According to the Slass Furnaces Tour, this
Speaker 2: building is the strongest built building on the site and
Speaker 2: would be used to protect the workers if anything went
Speaker 2: seriously wrong with the furnace. This the use of the
Speaker 2: pyrometer house prompted the workers to call it the dog house,
Speaker 2: saying the furnace would get mad at them and put
Speaker 2: them in the doghouse. Those furnaces were powered by blowing engines.
Speaker 2: As the tour describes, the blowing engines stand over thirty
Speaker 2: feet tall and turned flywheels twenty feet in diameter at
Speaker 2: a rate of about thirty revolutions per minute. Each engine
Speaker 2: had a steam cylinder on the bottom and an air
Speaker 2: cylinder on the top. Steam drove the piston in the
Speaker 2: steam cylinder up and down, in turn driving the piston
Speaker 2: in the air cylinder. The moving piston pulled in air,
Speaker 2: compressed it, and pushed it out. These generated a large
Speaker 2: amount of noise. The decibel level would compare to that
Speaker 2: of standing front row at a rock concert. Cast sheds
Speaker 2: cover the areas where iron was poured from the furnaces
Speaker 2: and then cooled into pigs. According to industrial archaeology, the
Speaker 2: work of breaking and carrying the newly cast pigs was arduous, hot,
Speaker 2: and dangerous. Workers wore wooden shoes in order to protect
Speaker 2: their feet from being scorched by the liquid iron, and
Speaker 2: had to work at a rapid pace to clear the
Speaker 2: shed for the next opening of a furnace notch. The
Speaker 2: furnaces didn't just generate significant income for Birmingham. Visiting them
Speaker 2: was a pastime for locals. The road to the plant
Speaker 2: has significant shoulders so that people could gather and watch
Speaker 2: the plant's workings at a safe distance. As Robin MacDonald
Speaker 2: wrote in the Anniston Star, people gathered in the smoke,
Speaker 2: the fumes, and the steam each night along the viaduct
Speaker 2: to watch molten iron and burning slag pour from the
Speaker 2: nearby furnace mouths. Some brought their dates, some brought their children.
Speaker 2: Some came on Sunday afternoon furnus party picnics. Other Southern
Speaker 2: cities had undeniable segregation problems in racial tensions, but Birmingham
Speaker 2: had a specially severe and distinct racial division. Martin Luther
Speaker 2: King Junior once described Birmingham as the most segregated city
Speaker 2: in America. By the mid twentieth century, Birmingham became notorious
Speaker 2: for its segregation. This included a series of racially motivated bombings,
Speaker 2: most famously the nineteen sixty three bombing of the Sixteenth
Speaker 2: Street Baptist Church, which killed four young black girls. Earlier
Speaker 2: that year, during the Birmingham Campaign, a massive desegregation action,
Speaker 2: the city's Public Safety Commissioner, Eugene bull Conner, oversaw the
Speaker 2: use of extreme force against nonviolent protesters, generating worldwide outrage.
Speaker 2: These protests were when Martin Luther King Junior was arrested
Speaker 2: and wrote his famous letter from Birmingham jail. The manufacturing industry,
Speaker 2: including Sloss Furnaces, was highly segregated until the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 2: Workers at Sloss were required to keep everything separate. They
Speaker 2: bathed in separate bathhouses, punched separate time clocks, and stayed
Speaker 2: in separate company housing. As Karen Utts wrote in the
Speaker 2: Alabama Humanities Alliance, between nineteen hundred and nineteen fifty, Slass
Speaker 2: Furnaces maintained company houses throughout Birmingham's Industrial District. Sloss Quarters,
Speaker 2: the forty eight houses adjacent to city Furnaces were designed
Speaker 2: specifically for African American workers. They were typical shotgun style structures,
Speaker 2: with two rooms set on foundation posts and no indoor plumbing.
Speaker 2: Until the nineteen thirties. While not a companied town in
Speaker 2: the strictest sense. The quarters contained a doctor's office, a commissary,
Speaker 2: and offered numerous neighborhood gatherings, including watermelon cuttings, suppers, dancing,
Speaker 2: and ball games. By the turn of the century, Birmingham's
Speaker 2: iron and steel workforce was sixty five percent black, a
Speaker 2: number that would climb to seventy five percent by nineteen ten.
Speaker 2: Black employees were only offered the most perilous jobs in
Speaker 2: air dangerous industry. Whites populated all the managerial and scientific
Speaker 2: roles of the furnaces, while black workers were relegated to
Speaker 2: lower paying risk year rolls. There were various ways to
Speaker 2: die in the furnaces, including being crushed by an elevator
Speaker 2: full of ore like William Mitchell in eighteen eighty nine,
Speaker 2: overcome by gas like Julian Wood in eighteen ninety one,
Speaker 2: buried in coal from a coal shoot like Levitigus span
Speaker 2: in eighteen ninety two, hit in the head with a
Speaker 2: bucket of bricks like will Buchanan in eighteen ninety seven,
Speaker 2: or simply being found dead on coke oven like David
Speaker 2: Tuck in eighteen ninety nine. In November eighteen eighty two,
Speaker 2: less than a year after it opened. A horrific accident
Speaker 2: took place at Sloss Furnaces. Two black workers, Alec King
Speaker 2: and Bob Mayfield, had been lowered into one of the
Speaker 2: furnaces stacks in order to clean off a scaffold, a
Speaker 2: build up of coke and ore that caused it to malfunction.
Speaker 2: When the scaffold gave way, it sent up a pillar
Speaker 2: of smoke and ash, suffocating the men and causing them
Speaker 2: to fall into the fire of the furnace. One local newspaper,
Speaker 2: whose reporter was on scene as their bodies were recovered,
Speaker 2: described a truly nightmarish sight in an article headlined Another
Speaker 2: Furnace Horror. The reporter wrote, after removing a quantity of
Speaker 2: slag and ore, they drew out the charred and blackened
Speaker 2: remains of what had been only a few moments before
Speaker 2: two living beings. The bodies were a ghastly and revolting sight.
Speaker 2: The skulls were bleached white, The arms of both were
Speaker 2: drawn up above the heads, the fingers were clenched tight,
Speaker 2: and only small particles of charred flesh remained on blackened bones.
Speaker 2: It was a scene that was indescribably horrible. The article
Speaker 2: ran directly next to a report of a man's suicide
Speaker 2: by jumping into nearby Alice furnace. In February eighteen ninety two,
Speaker 2: an accident notable enough to make the New York Times
Speaker 2: took place at Sloss Furnaces. A scaffold collapse caused eight
Speaker 2: men to fall fifty eight feet two. John Stanton and
Speaker 2: Jake Ritchie, both white mechanics in their early twenties, were
Speaker 2: killed instantly. A contemporary report in The Daily Advertiser described
Speaker 2: Richie's head as being mashed into a jelly. The other
Speaker 2: six men, who were both white and black, were all injured,
Speaker 2: five severely. Their injuries ranged from broken limbs and jawbones
Speaker 2: to burns and internal injuries. In August eighteen ninety seven,
Speaker 2: The Times reported on another death at Sloss, this one
Speaker 2: more mysterious. Joseph F. Webb, a painter for the Southern Railway,
Speaker 2: was found dead in a tank of boiling water at Sloss.
Speaker 2: His body was discovered by a twelve year old boy
Speaker 2: who worked at the furnaces as a coke poller. As
Speaker 2: the Times described it, the body was and the flesh
Speaker 2: fell off in chunks as it was drawn from the vat.
Speaker 2: Webb had last been seen leaving a bar the night before,
Speaker 2: and his friends suspected he was murdered and his body
Speaker 2: thrown into the tank. When his body was pulled from
Speaker 2: the tank, bruises were visible around his neck. Webb was
Speaker 2: a vocal member of a white supremacist order called Regents
Speaker 2: of the White Shield, and one newspaper suggested that he
Speaker 2: had been murdered by a group of black men. However,
Speaker 2: witnesses said that he was extremely intoxicated on the night
Speaker 2: of his death, lending credence to the idea that he
Speaker 2: fell in the vat accidentally. This was the theory eventually
Speaker 2: settled on by investigators. In August nineteen hundred five workers,
Speaker 2: all black men, were severely burned in another horrific accident.
Speaker 2: Its loss limestone and ore lining the walls of Furnace
Speaker 2: Number one fell on them as they were tending the fire,
Speaker 2: causing a terrific explosion of gas and steam. As the
Speaker 2: Birmingham Age Harold wrote, two of the men would die
Speaker 2: from their injuries in the following days. The flippant description
Speaker 2: in the local newspaper indicates the pervasive attitude toward black
Speaker 2: people at the time. The article read everything was done
Speaker 2: to alleviate the suffering of the men, but as the
Speaker 2: hospitals were all crowded, they had to be sent to
Speaker 2: their homes in various parts of the city. The furnace
Speaker 2: was in no way damaged, and the only inconvenience experienced
Speaker 2: by the company was the removal of the fallen rock.
Speaker 2: Imagine having burned so severe they would eventually take your
Speaker 2: life and being told that there was no room for
Speaker 2: you at the only place that could help you. By
Speaker 2: the nineteen tens, Sloss was one of the world's largest
Speaker 2: pig iron manufacturers, but owners were slow to update the
Speaker 2: furnaces with more modern systems. According to the furnace's history,
Speaker 2: between nineteen twenty seven and nineteen thirty one, the plant
Speaker 2: underwent a concentrated program of mechanization. Most of its major
Speaker 2: operation equipment, the blast furnaces and the charging and casting machinery,
Speaker 2: was replaced at this time. In nineteen twenty seven to
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty eight, the two furnaces were rebuilt, enlarged, and
Speaker 2: refitted with mechanical charging equipment, doubling the plant's production capacity.
Speaker 2: The mechanization brought the plant up to date with technology
Speaker 2: that had been invented several decades earlier, and finally did
Speaker 2: away with the now antiquated sand casting method of creating
Speaker 2: pig iron. It has been suggested by historians that Sauce
Speaker 2: was so slow to keep up with the times due
Speaker 2: to the cheapness and abundance of black labor in the South.
Speaker 2: Until nineteen twenty eight, the furnaces coal mines were staffed
Speaker 2: with largely black convict labor. David Lewis wrote in Sauce
Speaker 2: Furnaces and the Rise of the Birmingham District on Industrial
Speaker 2: Epic that in eighteen ninety ninety of the one thousand
Speaker 2: inmates working there died on the job, a disproportionately high
Speaker 2: high number of workplace debts compared to similar minds. According
Speaker 2: to Standeal of al dot com, historians have said nobody
Speaker 2: knows how many men died at Sloss over its nine
Speaker 2: decade history. In general, human life was considered cheap at Sloss,
Speaker 2: according to tour guide Richard Neely. As Ellen Brown wrote
Speaker 2: in The Haunting of Alabama, doctor Neely suggested that Sloss
Speaker 2: Furnaces was not overconcerned with the welfare of the workers
Speaker 2: because they could be easily replaced. One of the workers
Speaker 2: interviewed Love to tell the story that they told the
Speaker 2: workers here, don't kill any mules. Mules cost twenty five dollars.
Speaker 2: But men, men, we can replace. In nineteen fifty two,
Speaker 2: the furnaces were purchased by the US Pipe and Foundry Company.
Speaker 2: In the late nineteen fifties, the Slaws quarters were dismantled
Speaker 2: as they became too expensive for the company to maintain.
Speaker 2: The furnaces closed for good in nineteen seventy one due
Speaker 2: to stricter air pollution regulations of the Clean Air Act
Speaker 2: and old machinery that couldn't meet them. At this time,
Speaker 2: the structures were donated to the Alabama State Fair Commission.
Speaker 2: The structure was declared a National Historic Landmark in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty one. Slass Furnaces became a museum in nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 2: In addition to offering self guided tours, the museum hosts
Speaker 2: programs like conferences, metal art exhibitions, concerts, and festivals. According
Speaker 2: to the furnace's history, Sloss is currently the only twentieth
Speaker 2: century blast furnace in the US being preserved and interpreted
Speaker 2: as a historic industrial site. Maybe it's because so many
Speaker 2: people were treated as less than its lost furnaces, that
Speaker 2: there's such strong paranormal energy at the site, or maybe
Speaker 2: it's that more than ninety years of employees going to
Speaker 2: work every day fearing terrible injuries and possible death left
Speaker 2: a psychic stain on the place. Whatever reason there is
Speaker 2: for all of the paranormal activity, it's a lot, and
Speaker 2: it started decades ago while Sloss was still operating. According
Speaker 2: to Standel, workers in the blowing engine building reported that
Speaker 2: objects mysteriously moved. They might leave a tool in one place,
Speaker 2: for example, and come back to find it in another.
Speaker 2: That building, the oldest still standing at Sloss, is also
Speaker 2: said to be the most haunted. Full body apparitions have
Speaker 2: been reported at Sloss Furnaces, and some people claim that
Speaker 2: they have been pushed or shoved by unseen forces. Others
Speaker 2: report hearing mysterious music they describe as an eerie singing
Speaker 2: in the complex. As Alan Brown wrote in The Spirits
Speaker 2: of Sloss Furnaces, investigators have captured EVPs on the property,
Speaker 2: including the voice of a little girl who said, Hi, Daddy,
Speaker 2: here's your lunch. This was thought to be the spirit
Speaker 2: of one of the children who lived in Sloss quarters.
Speaker 2: Mitch Goth in Haunted US reported that people claim to
Speaker 2: have heard the voices of former workers in the facilities
Speaker 2: telling them to mind the heat or push some steel. Sloss,
Speaker 2: though never produced steel. The primary ghost story at Sloss
Speaker 2: Furnaces concerns an unethical foreman named James Slag Wormwood. According
Speaker 2: to legend, he ran the furnace's graveyard shift in the
Speaker 2: early nineteen hundreds. According to Fright Furnace, the Halloween event
Speaker 2: that ran its slaws from nineteen ninety seven to twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: Slag would make his workers take dangerous risks, forcing them
Speaker 2: to speed up production. Dozens of workers are said to
Speaker 2: have died as a result of Slag's policies. The story
Speaker 2: goes that in October nineteen oh six, Slag fell from
Speaker 2: the top of a blast furnace into a pool of
Speaker 2: iron ore, dying instantly. Many assumed this was no accident,
Speaker 2: but his maltreated workers finally taking their revenge. Workers soon
Speaker 2: began to report unusual occurrences in the furnaces that they
Speaker 2: attributed to Slag's vengeful spirit. In nineteen seventy one, the
Speaker 2: night before the plant closed, night watchman Samuel Blumenthal supposedly
Speaker 2: encountered the most frightening thing he had ever seen. According
Speaker 2: to Fright Furnace, he described it simply as evil, a
Speaker 2: half man, half demon who tried to push him up
Speaker 2: the stairs. When Blumenthal refused, the monster began to beat
Speaker 2: on him with his fists. According to legend, Blumenthal emerged
Speaker 2: from the furnaces covered in burns and later died from
Speaker 2: his injuries. However, that story, and the story of Slag
Speaker 2: Wormwood is just that a story, a story invented by
Speaker 2: the haunted attraction for the haunted attraction, which many such
Speaker 2: attractions do. However, sometimes these stories go on to be
Speaker 2: passed along as fact. According to Slass Furnace's marketing officer,
Speaker 2: Rachel Vershore, Slag simply never existed. Vershore told Roadside America
Speaker 2: that a well known paranormal show came down and talked
Speaker 2: to our Halloween Fright Furnace crew. They told them about Slag,
Speaker 2: a legend that they had created, and I guess the
Speaker 2: show just assumed it was real. While Slass claims that
Speaker 2: the the Halloween Event invented Slag, his legend might be
Speaker 2: based in part on the true story of Theophilus Jowers,
Speaker 2: who died in Birmingham's nearby Alice Furnace in September eighteen
Speaker 2: eighty seven. Many modern reports about incidents at Sloss seemed
Speaker 2: to conflate sloths in Alice Furnaces, which were two separate
Speaker 2: companies located across town from each other. An assistant foundryman Jowers,
Speaker 2: was assisting in switching out bells and Alice Furnace number one.
Speaker 2: As he held onto a rope attached the old bell,
Speaker 2: Jowers tripped and he and the bell tumbled into the
Speaker 2: heat of the furnace. Catherine Wyndham wrote in The Ghost
Speaker 2: and the Sloss Furnace that, according to one contemporary news report,
Speaker 2: the intense heat reduced his body almost to ashes. A
Speaker 2: piece of sheet iron was attached to a length of
Speaker 2: gas pipe, and with that instrument, his head, bowels, two
Speaker 2: hip bones, and a few ashes were fished out. Two
Speaker 2: workmen who were on the bridge with him came very
Speaker 2: near going in as well. Some believe that Jowers's ghost
Speaker 2: haunts Sloss, the logic being that he migrated there after
Speaker 2: Alice Furnaces closed down in nineteen twenty seven. It's claimed
Speaker 2: that he's been seen walking the catwalk in the furnaces
Speaker 2: He's also been seen performing his work tasks as he
Speaker 2: would have in life, albeit not at Sloss. It's said
Speaker 2: that in nineteen twenty seven, his son John Jowers saw
Speaker 2: a figure of a man emerge from a cloud of
Speaker 2: sparks at Sloss. Though the sparks would have been too
Speaker 2: hot for an actual human to be that close, that
Speaker 2: could very well have been the ghost of Theophilus Jowers.
Speaker 2: Psychics have reported that the ghost of Jowers does not
Speaker 2: want to move on and is happy at Sloss. Another popular,
Speaker 2: likely untrue ghost story claims that a woman who was
Speaker 2: pregnant out of wedlock threw herself into the furnaces sometime
Speaker 2: around nineteen hundred. As is typical of these stories, it's
Speaker 2: sometimes said to have taken place at Alice rather than Sloths,
Speaker 2: or the two are conflated. It's claimed that at her
Speaker 2: memorial service, a white deer appeared, representing her spirit, and
Speaker 2: that this deer still appears whence Sloss hosts events. While
Speaker 2: the ghost stories might not always correspond with history, there
Speaker 2: are surely lots of ghosts at Sloss, noted is one
Speaker 2: of the most haunted locations, if not the most haunted location,
Speaker 2: in Alabama. There are lots of stories to tell. I've
Speaker 2: investigated there, so I've got a few experiences to share,
Speaker 2: and so does paranormal investigator Kevin Walden, who we will
Speaker 2: be chatting with up next that is coming up after
Speaker 2: the break. So I am now joined by paranormal investigator
Speaker 2: Kevin Walden, who has spent a lot of time investigating
Speaker 2: Sloss Furnaces. I've investigated there as well, so I think
Speaker 2: together we can have a great conversation. So thanks for joining.
Speaker 1: Us, Kevin, That's no problem. Thank you very much for
Speaker 1: having me.
Speaker 2: To start off by saying that Sloss Furnaces is clearly
Speaker 2: a very historical location. They still have a lot of
Speaker 2: programs there and things, and you can visit them anytime.
Speaker 2: They have kind of backed away from their ghosts and
Speaker 2: their paranormal tours. And I do see kind of a
Speaker 2: lot of locations, not a lot, but locations do occasionally
Speaker 2: do that something happens, they get a bad taste in
Speaker 2: their mouth about it, or they're concerned about, you know,
Speaker 2: being disrespectful, and so I just want to send the
Speaker 2: message out to Sloss and other historical locations that are
Speaker 2: truly haunted, that think that it is disrespectful to pursue that.
Speaker 2: Just know that there are very much ways to keep
Speaker 2: your history accurate and very respectfully handle your hauntings and
Speaker 2: at the same time bring in some extra revenue, which
Speaker 2: I know a lot of these locations need. So if
Speaker 2: any locations out there want to talk to me about it,
Speaker 2: please reach out. I love helping and I think it
Speaker 2: is a great opportunity, but I also completely understand when
Speaker 2: places kind of veer away from it. So just know
Speaker 2: that in the right hands, you all can do it.
Speaker 2: So that being said, Kevin Slaus is wild. I have
Speaker 2: investigated there a few times on and off camera and
Speaker 2: have had some pretty amazing experiences there. So what drew
Speaker 2: you to that hunt in the first place.
Speaker 1: We Slaus has just always kind of been there in
Speaker 1: the background of Birmingham, a lot of history there, a
Speaker 1: lot of tragic deaths unfortunately, and ever since I was
Speaker 1: a child, I've always been kind of interested in, you know,
Speaker 1: the spooky stuff and the kind of scary things. But
Speaker 1: what actually got me to go there. We had to
Speaker 1: do a presentation for one of our high school classes
Speaker 1: and they said they wanted us to go out and
Speaker 1: do something we've never done before. So me and my
Speaker 1: group we decided, hey, let's go ghost hunting. Oddly enough,
Speaker 1: there was a ghost hunter's marathon going on on Sci
Speaker 1: Fi Channel. So I just sitting here talking to you
Speaker 1: about this is kind of crazy and it's own.
Speaker 2: Right, but it always comes around right, full circle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we decided we were actually going to go
Speaker 1: out to Old Bryce Sat in Tuscaloosa. It's this old
Speaker 1: mental institution, looks straight out of a horror movie. So
Speaker 1: we pack up, we head out there. We get about
Speaker 1: four steps on the door and a state trooper shows up.
Speaker 1: You know, we we were young and dumb, about sixteen
Speaker 1: seventeen years old, but we were detained for about twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: I think it was just trying to scare us more
Speaker 1: than anything, but finally he let us go. We were
Speaker 1: coming back from Tuscaloos to Birmingham and that's when we
Speaker 1: saw it off in the distance, the towers of slush
Speaker 1: just standing there staring back at us, and we were like,
Speaker 1: you know what, let's give it another shot. Let's go here.
Speaker 1: So we pull in and there's a security guard working
Speaker 1: and as soon as we come walking up as you know,
Speaker 1: what are you guys doing here? And We told him, man,
Speaker 1: we're just trying to do this thing for school. We're
Speaker 1: trying to get a good grade on it. He was like, well,
Speaker 1: i'll tell you what you guys, come in, I'll give
Speaker 1: you a free tour. So he walked us around and
Speaker 1: then finally I was like, I'm gonna be leaving here
Speaker 1: at about midnight. You guys got two hours to do
Speaker 1: your thing. And then I'm out, wow, And I think
Speaker 1: he was scared to be there really after midnight.
Speaker 2: That's so interesting. So you did it the right way.
Speaker 2: You actually had permission. I think that that happened sometimes.
Speaker 2: You know, when I was in high school, I'm totally
Speaker 2: guilty of going places I should not have. And yeah,
Speaker 2: and now I think it's great that it's so kind
Speaker 2: of at the forefront because we can educate kids now, like, hey,
Speaker 2: you don't have to break into these locations. There are
Speaker 2: plenty of places for you to go with permission. And
Speaker 2: so I'm glad that you guys had permission, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's probably meant to be. So now that night, what happened.
Speaker 2: Did you have any experiences?
Speaker 1: Well, that being our first night ghost sunning, you know,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it was just us kind
Speaker 1: of being paranoid, and you know, we're comparing it to
Speaker 1: you know, movies in Hollywood and stuff like that, but
Speaker 1: that doesn't take away from some of the crazy things
Speaker 1: we did experience. That's where we learned the story.
Speaker 2: Of slag right, which isn't necessarily true, but it's a
Speaker 2: good story.
Speaker 1: At the time, it was definitely true in our minds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were walking around. We had this one kid in
Speaker 1: our class that we'd never really talked to, but once
Speaker 1: he found out where we're ghost sonny, he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, dude, I'm all in, let me go with you.
Speaker 1: So he's walking around and he's got this audio recorder
Speaker 1: and there's this big pipe next to him. He says, hey, man,
Speaker 1: if he died in this pipe, let me know, and
Speaker 1: he reaches his arm up in the pipe. Well, when
Speaker 1: he pulls the recorder back out, he rewinds it hits play,
Speaker 1: and this voice comes through right after he puts in
Speaker 1: the pipe and it says creepy, but the way it
Speaker 1: says it is also creepy, because it was.
Speaker 2: Like creepy, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And another thing that happened with the audio recorder,
Speaker 1: my cousin Sean had set it down. We were going
Speaker 1: to leave it in one little spot by itself for
Speaker 1: about an hour, just come back and listen to it,
Speaker 1: which you know as well as I do. Listening back
Speaker 1: to all that audio is painstaking.
Speaker 2: But it really is. That's why voice activated recorders are
Speaker 2: my friend. Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but uh, he lays the recorder down and he says, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna leave this here for about an hour. We'll
Speaker 1: come back and get it. So we walk off and
Speaker 1: we get lost in there because Sloss is so huge
Speaker 1: and there's so many twists and turns, and when we
Speaker 1: finally find it, it was about an hour and a
Speaker 1: half later. Well, he picks the recorder up. It stop
Speaker 1: on it, he says, and cut. We go to a
Speaker 1: Wanda back and I'm like, something's wrong with us. This
Speaker 1: file isn't too long out here, so we can't play
Speaker 1: on it. And it starts off with him saying, we're
Speaker 1: gonna leave this recorder here. If anybody's here, let us know.
Speaker 1: He sets it down. You hear this loud like whoosh
Speaker 1: sound and then it goes directly into him saying and cut.
Speaker 1: So to us, it's like something came up turn the
Speaker 1: recorder off and when we were coming back to get it,
Speaker 1: turned it back on.
Speaker 2: I've had that happen before, and it's interesting. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we don't really want to talk to you. And I
Speaker 2: mean at this time, they might have been having investigations
Speaker 2: and you know, they start to get familiar with your
Speaker 2: equipment and they're like, oh, this is that thing that
Speaker 2: hears us click, it's turn it off. So not today,
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I found that there. The spirits
Speaker 2: kind of are They can either be very active or
Speaker 2: sometimes just kind of shy.
Speaker 1: I think we investigated there a total of seven times,
Speaker 1: and most nights we'd have something happened, something crazy would happen.
Speaker 1: I think there was only one night we went in
Speaker 1: and the ghosts were like, man, we're tired of you guys,
Speaker 1: get out of here.
Speaker 2: You know, did you have any experiences in that tunnel,
Speaker 2: because I had a wild experience in the tunnel with
Speaker 2: meat Loaf of all people, But did you have any
Speaker 2: experiences in the tunnel.
Speaker 1: We did have some strange things happening there. There was
Speaker 1: one night there was four of us and we were
Speaker 1: walking around. We go down into the tunnel. Well, as
Speaker 1: we're walking along, we kind of split up. Two of
Speaker 1: us go one way, two of us go the other.
Speaker 1: And while we're standing there talking, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: from up above us, I hear what sounds like somebody
Speaker 1: grabbing a metal chair and just sliding in across the
Speaker 1: floor upstairs. M So me hostatly run towards it. I
Speaker 1: go up there, don't see anything out of the ordinary.
Speaker 1: But when I'm watching our footage back as we're going
Speaker 1: down into the tunnel, there's two middle chairs sitting to
Speaker 1: the side of the staircase. But when we come back up,
Speaker 1: there's only one chair sitting there, and there was nobody
Speaker 1: else there but us that night.
Speaker 2: That's wild. So that's the kind of thing when that happens,
Speaker 2: like your whole body just kind of goes ooh okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, in that tunnel. So that was actually one
Speaker 2: of the first places that I had a really good
Speaker 2: experience with the laser grid. And so I was investigating
Speaker 2: in the tunnel with Adam Barry and meet Loaf. Meatloaf
Speaker 2: was a massive paranormal fan, and so I got to
Speaker 2: investigate with him if times, and he just was like
Speaker 2: very gung how he loved he loved it, and so
Speaker 2: He sat in that tunnel with Adam and myself and
Speaker 2: we had used the laser grid. We kind of aimed
Speaker 2: it all the way down the tunnel and we watched
Speaker 2: as a shadow kept kind of peeking out. And the
Speaker 2: thing with the laser grid is when a shadow walks
Speaker 2: into it, like a shadow figure, the little points just
Speaker 2: disappear and you see the outline of a person. It's
Speaker 2: not like they're reflecting, like if I stand in it,
Speaker 2: I just have lasers all over me. But when a
Speaker 2: shadow figure pops into it, like you see an outline
Speaker 2: of them. And that was the first time I really
Speaker 2: saw that. And Meat Love kept calling out to him
Speaker 2: or Meat he liked to be called Meat, but he
Speaker 2: kept calling out to this spirit and it would get
Speaker 2: a little bit closer, its getting a little more comfortable,
Speaker 2: and I swear we sat it felt like an hour
Speaker 2: or two. We sat there because Meat did not want
Speaker 2: to leave. We were just like watching this shadow go
Speaker 2: back and forth. And yeah, it just seemed like someone
Speaker 2: kind of shy and like not sure of us. That
Speaker 2: was a really crazy experience.
Speaker 1: Was that on the side next to the big machine
Speaker 1: or the side with the staircase going up.
Speaker 2: I think it was the side with the big machine,
Speaker 2: if I remember correctly. So, I mean it's been a
Speaker 2: long time, so.
Speaker 1: We ha'ds something similar. We didn't have the laser grid,
Speaker 1: but we were down there one not I think it
Speaker 1: might have been our second or third time there, and
Speaker 1: we were on one end. I think we were on
Speaker 1: the staircase side where it just goes right back up
Speaker 1: into the main room up there, and it was real
Speaker 1: dark back towards the machine. And my cousin Sean pointed
Speaker 1: out first. He was like, I thought there's something looking
Speaker 1: at us from behind that big machine. M hm. So
Speaker 1: I looked down that way, and sure enough you could
Speaker 1: see something just kind of poking its head around the machine,
Speaker 1: looking at us. They go back over, come run the side,
Speaker 1: peek at us. So I walk down that way, I
Speaker 1: get to the machine. You can actually squeeze past that
Speaker 1: machine and the tunnel continues on for miles back that way.
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't know.
Speaker 1: That, And sure enough there was nothing back there. But
Speaker 1: when I came back out and met back up with him,
Speaker 1: I'll look back and you could see it again. This
Speaker 1: thing just it's like I was watching us, just studying us,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like when we tried to get closer,
Speaker 2: it would kind of back off, and so we just
Speaker 2: kept our distance. And I swear I think Meat even
Speaker 2: thought he knew his name, like he really felt as
Speaker 2: though he was a conduit for the paranormal and that
Speaker 2: he had like that he was psychic and he was
Speaker 2: calling out to him. Gosh, I can't remember what it was,
Speaker 2: but side note later on. So he had a really
Speaker 2: good time investigating with Adam and me, And so at
Speaker 2: the end of the night there, it was like three
Speaker 2: thirty in the morning and we're doing one last run
Speaker 2: way back like by the boiler room or something, and
Speaker 2: our producer told us, he's like, don't tell meat Loaf
Speaker 2: that you're still investigating. He's like, we need to start
Speaker 2: wrapping up, and so don't tell him. And we're like okay,
Speaker 2: So we quietly, we literally like were sneaking to the
Speaker 2: boiler room so he wouldn't know, and we are doing
Speaker 2: an EVP session. All of a sudden, the producer comes
Speaker 2: around the corner and he's like, meat, little sound out
Speaker 2: where you are. He thinks he's being funny. He's gonna
Speaker 2: come scare you right now, so like and so he
Speaker 2: comes barreling around the corner. He doesn't even have a
Speaker 2: camera operator with him, and he's just like Boo Amy
Speaker 2: and Adam and then so we literally had to sit
Speaker 2: there and investigate with him until this sun was coming up.
Speaker 2: The crew went into overtime. It was just so it
Speaker 2: was the funniest So yeah, fun stories. But now, over
Speaker 2: the time that you investigated there, what would you say
Speaker 2: was like your most frightening experience.
Speaker 1: Uh, definitely the most frightening. I think it was our filth.
Speaker 1: There's a time there we decided we're going to start
Speaker 1: doing you know, kind of isolation sessions around the planet.
Speaker 1: So I decide I'll be enough. I was gonna go
Speaker 1: down to the boiler room. So I make my way
Speaker 1: down there. And this is way back when I had
Speaker 1: that brick, no Kia phone. You know, we didn't have
Speaker 1: the cell phones with the lights on or anything. So
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna leave my phone with you
Speaker 1: guys because it creates this interference on the camera, So
Speaker 1: leave that behind. The only light I had was on
Speaker 1: my camera itself. So I make my way down into
Speaker 1: the boiler room and I'm sitting there and I'm waiting.
Speaker 1: I keep hearing things, you know, kind of off from
Speaker 1: the distance. I'm thinking, maybe it's just the guys walking
Speaker 1: around messing with me or something. Well, I'll pull up
Speaker 1: audio recorder. I start recording, you know, if anybody's here,
Speaker 1: give me a sign. And all of a sudden, it
Speaker 1: just felt so different in there, like this heaviness just
Speaker 1: set in. Well, all of a sudden, my audio recorder
Speaker 1: just dies on me, and I'm like, okay, that's strange.
Speaker 1: When they say no, my camera dies on me. So
Speaker 1: I'm down there in pitch black, I can't see anything
Speaker 1: at all, and all of a sudden, something slaps me
Speaker 1: full force across the face. Oh no, yeah, And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there in the dark, something slapping me, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, well, this is it. I've had a
Speaker 1: good run, I guess. So the only thing I can
Speaker 1: think to say is you know, I'm sorry. And I
Speaker 1: start feeling my way out of the boiler room. I
Speaker 1: had to work my way up the staircase, and when
Speaker 1: I reached the top of the staircase, I go and
Speaker 1: I find the other guys, and before I can even
Speaker 1: tell them, I got slapped in the face. So, like,
Speaker 1: you know, what happened? To you what happened to your face?
Speaker 1: I had a handprint across my face and they took
Speaker 1: some pictures of it. But what was strange about it
Speaker 1: was if you go to touching, you know, espely when
Speaker 1: you get slapped for it be kind of warm. When
Speaker 1: they went to touch it was actually ice cold. And yeah.
Speaker 1: The only thing I can relate that to would be
Speaker 1: you know, a foreman come in seeing me sitting there
Speaker 1: doing nothing and being like, hey, get back to work.
Speaker 2: P yeah, or just like we don't want you here,
Speaker 2: you know that's I mean. So those are the kind
Speaker 2: of experiences what people say is investigating dangerous overall. No,
Speaker 2: even getting slapped by a ghost, which I've been shoved, pushed, whatever, scratched.
Speaker 2: It's the reaction that you have, like thankfully you calmly
Speaker 2: were like I'm sorry, and you left. But a lot
Speaker 2: of people would run in the dark, probably run into
Speaker 2: some sort of large metal object and fall down some stairs,
Speaker 2: like because it's your instinct when that happens is flight.
Speaker 2: Your body is like nope out. And then the other
Speaker 2: lesson there, Kevin, is you always have a backup light always. No,
Speaker 2: I've learned that lesson to that happened to us that
Speaker 2: this is somewhere else. We're here as a mine of
Speaker 2: all places. And the power went out when we were
Speaker 2: under the ground, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: worst nightmare. And I just had my phone light and
Speaker 2: I was like, God, what happens if this doesn't work?
Speaker 1: True?
Speaker 2: Well that I mean that honestly though, that is scary
Speaker 2: and that is a message, you know, So it's really interesting.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: What would you say is like, maybe this is kind
Speaker 2: of the most common activity that people experience there.
Speaker 1: Uh, definitely, you know, walking into a room, just filling
Speaker 1: those unseen eyes on you and walking into cold spots.
Speaker 1: I took my cousin there. She wanted to do a
Speaker 1: report for school about my report for school, and you know,
Speaker 1: I took her there. She'd never been there before. And
Speaker 1: as soon as I walked into a room, I felt
Speaker 1: the hairs on my arm starting to stand up. And
Speaker 1: before I could say anything, she was like, man, I'm cold,
Speaker 1: my hair on my arm is standing up. And just
Speaker 1: hearing footsteps, a lot of footsteps, sounds of people still working.
Speaker 1: That was one of the main things we've caught back
Speaker 1: in the day, was s only somebody hammering something or
Speaker 1: you know, it's a little along those lines.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I feel like there's a lot of residual
Speaker 2: energy there just in general. You can definitely feel that,
Speaker 2: and you're right, And I think that's one of the
Speaker 2: things within investigating is to kind of listen to your body,
Speaker 2: you know, what you're feeling, because that's usually a clue
Speaker 2: that something could potentially be about to go down, like
Speaker 2: if you you know, you start having that kind of
Speaker 2: like hair on the back of your neck standing up,
Speaker 2: or like feeling of being watched. Like there's a reason
Speaker 2: why we feel that way. That's instinct and I definitely
Speaker 2: experienced that there. So now, is there a place there
Speaker 2: that you find Obviously the boiler room is high up,
Speaker 2: but is there are there certain areas that you would
Speaker 2: consider hot spots for people who are investigating.
Speaker 1: Oh, definitely say the boiler room, and definitely the tunnel.
Speaker 1: I feel like we got the most activity there, and
Speaker 1: there used to be a boardwalk heading towards the tunnel.
Speaker 1: I think they've cemented that in now to kind of
Speaker 1: make it more of a regular like sidewalk tad, but
Speaker 1: we'd hear all kind of stuff there. That first night
Speaker 1: we went, it was middle of summer. Cricket's chirping like crazy,
Speaker 1: and that guy that went with us, that we didn't
Speaker 1: really know, he decided to start kind of provoking. And
Speaker 1: for me, I've never really wanted to try provoking. It's
Speaker 1: not really my thing, you know. But he starts just
Speaker 1: calling it out. He's come on, I show yourself. We're
Speaker 1: not scared to you do something. Do something. And all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, just every single sound around us just disappeared,
Speaker 1: like the crickets stopped. He couldn't hear any cars or anything,
Speaker 1: and this cold gust wind blew in, and I remember
Speaker 1: looking at my cousin Sean, I'm just like, well, we're
Speaker 1: in a horror movie situation now. I think right after that,
Speaker 1: we were walking along and I've got some video of
Speaker 1: this up on my YouTube channel. We're walking along and
Speaker 1: I'm panning towards one of the roofs of the one
Speaker 1: of the buildings, and you see this figure standing on
Speaker 1: top of it. Well, as we get a little bit closer,
Speaker 1: this figure just kind of sinks into the building.
Speaker 2: Wiles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't like jump off or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It just kind of sinks into the building.
Speaker 2: That's really I actually, I do remember them mentioning that
Speaker 2: people see figures up on like the catwalks and stuff
Speaker 2: a lot, or like you know, walking in areas that
Speaker 2: you definitely do not have access to, and even that
Speaker 2: it's happened like during the day before too, where people
Speaker 2: are just there touring and they're like, who's that and
Speaker 2: you know there's not there's no live person in that area.
Speaker 2: So where were you when you had the experience where
Speaker 2: your friend started like trying to provoke? Was that outside?
Speaker 1: Uh? Yes, that was outside on the board walk there.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, you did mention that. So because I
Speaker 2: had a really strange experience outside, I cannot remember if
Speaker 2: this was on camera or not. You know, it kind
Speaker 2: of all melds together. But I was walking kind of
Speaker 2: by where you go into the tunnel and there's it
Speaker 2: was like a gravel kind of roadway and I was walking,
Speaker 2: you know, step crunch, crunch, crunch, and I heard steps
Speaker 2: behind me and I thought it was someone trying to
Speaker 2: scare me, like on the crew or something. And I
Speaker 2: was like, I stopped and turned around and there's no
Speaker 2: one and I'm like okay, So I start walking and
Speaker 2: I hear it again, crunch, crunch, crunched and I'm like okay,
Speaker 2: and I stopped that time, and it kept getting closer
Speaker 2: to me, and I was just like, okay, I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna walk really fast. I probably started whistling. I've mentioned
Speaker 2: this before, but I have this theory that if you're whistling,
Speaker 2: nothing bad can happen to you. And so, yeah, and
Speaker 2: so I do remember that, and it was it was outside,
Speaker 2: so I mean, obviously hants don't just stay indoors, but
Speaker 2: it was that was a pretty wild experience. Okay, so
Speaker 2: we have hot spots now. So you said you've investigated
Speaker 2: there seven plus times. Does it sound like it does
Speaker 2: seem like you've ever encountered like the same spirit more
Speaker 2: than once.
Speaker 1: I would say, so that figure I was telling you
Speaker 1: about down in the tone that we kind of peek
Speaker 1: around the corner and watch us. I feel like we've
Speaker 1: seen it two to three more times just around the
Speaker 1: facility itself. One of those we're actually kind of in
Speaker 1: the same place you were just talking about. And there's
Speaker 1: like these little inlets that go in between like some
Speaker 1: of the boilers there. Well, we were walking along and
Speaker 1: I happen to look towards one of them, and same deal.
Speaker 1: I see this thing kind of standing there, peeking around
Speaker 1: the corner, watching us go over there, and it's nothing.
Speaker 1: So I just I feel like maybe there's at least
Speaker 1: one spirit there that's kind of like, let me see
Speaker 1: what's going on here, you know, got us out or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, what is your overall vibe there? Do you
Speaker 2: feel like these spirits are intelligent and interactive or do
Speaker 2: you think that it's mostly residual type activity.
Speaker 1: Weird enough, I feel like there's sort of a mixture
Speaker 1: of both. I feel like the majority is definitely residual,
Speaker 1: just from the sounds and you know, people work and
Speaker 1: all that stuff, people seeing people up on the furnaces,
Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote working. But then you get those that,
Speaker 1: like I said, they'll be watching you or when I
Speaker 1: got slapped, that's definitely someone intelligent. So I feel like
Speaker 1: it's a good mixture of both. Right.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm really hoping we can get back
Speaker 2: in there in an investigative fashion soon enough. But yeah,
Speaker 2: now I find it super interesting. I'm glad you got
Speaker 2: to investigate it so many times. It was one of
Speaker 2: my favorite places to investigate, so it's kind of kind
Speaker 2: of revisit it Now, you mentioned you have a YouTube channel.
Speaker 2: Do you want to tell people where they can find
Speaker 2: that and see some of your work.
Speaker 1: Sure, it's it's on YouTube. The channel's called Alabama's Most
Speaker 1: Haunted and basically we go out to some of the
Speaker 1: most haunted places in Alabama once we get permission of courts.
Speaker 1: I always remember that. Yeah, it's just Alabima's Most Haunted.
Speaker 1: I think we've got about nine full length episodes up now,
Speaker 1: and you know, we got a couple of little previews, trailers,
Speaker 1: behind the scenes stuff. But there's a lot of haunted
Speaker 1: places in Alabama that people just don't know about. You
Speaker 1: got this Loss, which is famous for its hauntings, but
Speaker 1: there's also so many other places that are just kind
Speaker 1: of under the radar. Yeah, and kind of touching back
Speaker 1: on what you saidwhere for us started, you know, it
Speaker 1: was Loss not really wanting that kind of publicity anymore.
Speaker 1: You know this, Several places will contact for the show
Speaker 1: and they're like, I'm sorry, we don't want we don't
Speaker 1: want to be affiliated with that kind of thing. We
Speaker 1: don't want that kind of image.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it comes from a place of misunderstanding.
Speaker 2: I think that there have been so many instances of
Speaker 2: people going in and kind of disrespectfully handling a hunt,
Speaker 2: and I think that at that point, you know, and
Speaker 2: I can't blame them. A lot of these historical locations
Speaker 2: are just like we don't even want to deal with this,
Speaker 2: like this is. But I've worked with a lot of
Speaker 2: places kind of hand in hand and helped them and
Speaker 2: educated on like how to do these in a way
Speaker 2: where it's a win win for everyone. And so, like
Speaker 2: I said before, if anyone's listening and you want to
Speaker 2: know how to do it, like, just feel free to
Speaker 2: reach out to it. I love helping, and so if
Speaker 2: there's any of those places you're trying to reach out
Speaker 2: to and you want to send them my way, go
Speaker 2: for it, because I think it's important. You know, it's
Speaker 2: not just important for what we do, but like, what
Speaker 2: about the ghosts. I think about that, What about the ghosts?
Speaker 2: You know, Like I think about lost ghosts where everybody
Speaker 2: was there talking to them all the time and suddenly
Speaker 2: there's no one. They're probably they got used to the
Speaker 2: attention now they're like hello, I do yeah. So but anyways,
Speaker 2: I really thank you for taking the time. It's been fascinating,
Speaker 2: and you know, hopefully our paths will cross in person soon.
Speaker 1: It sounds great. I look forward to it.
Speaker 2: While in many ways loss Furnaces highlights a tragic part
Speaker 2: of our history, it also stands a reminder of how
Speaker 2: important it is we don't forget that history. Ghosts or not.
Speaker 2: It's a very compelling place to visit it and I
Speaker 2: highly recommend you do so if you ever find yourself
Speaker 2: near Birmingham. I feel lucky to have investigated there when
Speaker 2: I did, and I do so hope the ghosts have
Speaker 2: found a way to reach out to others since, because,
Speaker 2: as we all know, even if you avoid acknowledging a haunting,
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean the ghosts go away. I'm Amy Brune
Speaker 2: and this was Haunted Road. My fall tour has been
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