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Speaker 1: And welcome in Lake. Kick is live. It is Tuesday Night.

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Speaker 1: It's not a typo. It's Tuesday Night, February, fifteenth, year

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Speaker 1: of our Lord, twenty twenty two. We gave the NFL Sunday.

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Speaker 1: They of course, have in turn agreed to give us

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Speaker 1: Tuesday night. We are jam packed. We are high at

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Speaker 1: top downtown Nashville, really disappointed in certain members of the staff,

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Speaker 1: but ecstatic that you're here. I'll detail that in just

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Speaker 1: a minute. We have three, count them, three lies to

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Speaker 1: knark on folks tonight about we are happy to be

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Speaker 1: the snitches of college football tonight because there's some folks

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Speaker 1: lying to you. And it's not just casuals, it's media types.

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Speaker 1: Dare I even say hosts of certain programs couldn't be

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Speaker 1: US coaches? Shame on them. Some of them should know better.

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Speaker 1: They've been lying to you. That gets exposed tonight. It's

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Speaker 1: not gonna stop tonight, but it's gonna get exposed tonight.

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Speaker 1: We've got Ohio State mood Tracker in the building tonight

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Speaker 1: that it is its own entity, but we will share

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Speaker 1: the mood tracker. And we have such a loaded mail bag.

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Speaker 1: The mail bag is overflowing. Producer Jesse adamant that we

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Speaker 1: do at least thirty minutes of Q and A tonight.

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Speaker 1: I put out the call today, we had all sorts

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Speaker 1: of questions from all sorts of different directions. That's like

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Speaker 1: our most popular segment, which stands the reason we should

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Speaker 1: do more of it. We're going to do a lot

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Speaker 1: of that tonight. It's an amazing time. I know it

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Speaker 1: kind of seems quiet around certain corners of this industry

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Speaker 1: right now. And just because it seems quiet doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: That's kind of what our industry is like right now.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of churn, a lot of changes happening,

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Speaker 1: and this show is not unaffected, but it's affected in

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Speaker 1: a good way. So this little platform that you and

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Speaker 1: I have built, and our crew and our staff, it's

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Speaker 1: going places. As MEMI used to tell me about myself,

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Speaker 1: the show now is going places because of you, our show,

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much for that. It's not anything

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Speaker 1: that's gonna happen this week. It's just things are happening,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate that. I'll keep you as a breast

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Speaker 1: of the situation, you know how rarely I use that word.

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Speaker 1: I'll keep you as a breast as I can. Make

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Speaker 1: sure you're following on Twitter and Instagram at Late Kick, Josh,

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Speaker 1: so I told you about the lies, and if Colin,

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Speaker 1: if you'll keep that shot there, if you're watching on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: you see all that highlighter. I rarely have notes in

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Speaker 1: front of me period, much less that much highlighter. But

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Speaker 1: they got me a new highlighter pen that is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: It's not actual marker, it's like sticky, sticky highlight whatever

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Speaker 1: that is. And secondly, there's a lot of fibbing going

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Speaker 1: on out there that we got to snitch out. And

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Speaker 1: so I wanted to start the show with this tonight

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Speaker 1: kind when I put the three big lies in college

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Speaker 1: folder we say for this time of year. So let's

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Speaker 1: do it. College Football's Big three Lies. Let me ask

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Speaker 1: you something. If someone you trusted was lying to your face,

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Speaker 1: would you want to know about it? Some people would

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Speaker 1: to know. Here's the thing. They're lying to you. A

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Speaker 1: up to and including executives out there of major networks

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Speaker 1: that are integral in delivering college football to you. They're

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Speaker 1: to you. Luckily for you, snitches sometimes are the heroes,

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Speaker 1: and I am happy to be that snitch tonight. College

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Speaker 1: Football's Big three Lies. Let's line them up. And I

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Speaker 1: Big lies. But I got three of them that I

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Speaker 1: logical conclusion. College football. Big lie number one, you are

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Speaker 1: college football what your record says you are. This is

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Speaker 1: Why is that the case in the NFL, Well, it's

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Speaker 1: in college football that's not remotely the case, and yet

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Speaker 1: They're a very good team. But Arkansas played eight teams

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Speaker 1: that still be good. So it's not the end all

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Speaker 1: A win is absolutely a win. I don't care. If

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Speaker 1: reality is, there's a lot of subjectivity. So let's take

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Speaker 1: take a hypothetical. Let's say Arkansas is a four touchdown

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Speaker 1: No less, who had the more impressive Saturday. Keep in

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Speaker 1: the preview magazine culture would lead you to believe, well,

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Speaker 1: the next logical step is Ohio State. They work all offseason,

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Speaker 1: they get back to the National Championship game, and then

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Speaker 1: they atone for that loss. This is the real world.

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Speaker 1: This is not the way it works all the time.

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Speaker 1: This is not a fairy tale. Sometimes you lose, you

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Speaker 1: come up short, and then you don't even get a

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Speaker 1: chance next year, and maybe it takes you three or

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Speaker 1: four years to get back. Some teams never get back,

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Speaker 1: you know, some teams never get back. There. I got

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Speaker 1: a good reason to believe Ohio State will get another

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Speaker 1: opportunity or to a national championship under Ryan Day. But

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Speaker 1: because they didn't immediately go back, there's some aspect of

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Speaker 1: being upset, and I get all that, but understand this.

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Speaker 1: This is where we shift back to the confident aspect.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Day's a very young head coach. You know, Ryan

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Speaker 1: Day is on the grand stage at Ohio State at

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Speaker 1: the same time that Nick Saban was at like where

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Speaker 1: was he Toledo and the Michigan State and Urban Meyer

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Speaker 1: was at Bowling Green in Utah. And the point is,

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Speaker 1: you can't find shortcuts to learn the lessons that it

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Speaker 1: takes to win at the highest level. You can't. It's

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Speaker 1: just that in the old school, in the old days,

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Speaker 1: you learn those lessons off the national stage. You didn't

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Speaker 1: have to learn those legs. You didn't have to learn

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Speaker 1: the proper way to hire a defensive staff on the

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Speaker 1: biggest stage in the sport, under a white hot spotlight,

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Speaker 1: with millions upon millions watching you every week. You learned

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Speaker 1: it in the MAC. You learned it on a random

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Speaker 1: Tuesday night. I know they didn't play Tuesday night games

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Speaker 1: back then, but you get what I'm saying. Kirby Smarts

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Speaker 1: had the same thing happened to him. You know, all

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Speaker 1: these guys now, Lincoln Riley, all these guys who, in

460
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Speaker 1: the modern age of college football are getting their first

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Speaker 1: taste of being a head coach in some of the

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Speaker 1: most prestigious programs and opportunities the sport has to offer.

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Speaker 1: There still is no shortcut, guys. The fact that Ryan

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Speaker 1: Day hasn't fallen flat on his face and gone eight

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Speaker 1: and five or up there. That alone tells you he's

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Speaker 1: the real deal. And also I want you to think

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Speaker 1: back this past year. You know, I remember where was I.

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Speaker 1: I was at Iowa State. I want to say, in

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Speaker 1: Week two, Yeah, Iowa State in Week two on air

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Speaker 1: conditioned press box. I'm in the trenches, guys. I'm taking

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Speaker 1: bullets for you, and by that, I mean sweating bullets

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Speaker 1: for you. It's a very tough job to go cover

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Speaker 1: these college football games for free, but someone's got to

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Speaker 1: do it. And so I'm up there and I'm in

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Speaker 1: the press box, and I was watching Oregon, Ohio State

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Speaker 1: and Oregon. This is the same team that goes on

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Speaker 1: to lose to Stanford, got smoked by Utah twice. They're

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Speaker 1: physically handling Ohio State at times, and the same three

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Speaker 1: or four things keep just just vexing Ohio State's defense.

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Speaker 1: And I remember thinking to myself, there's going to be

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Speaker 1: a lot talked about this defensive performance, which there was,

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Speaker 1: rightfully so. But then the next question was, boy, is

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Speaker 1: this just it for Ohio State this year? And the

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Speaker 1: answer was no, it wasn't because Ryan Day made a

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Speaker 1: very calculated, but very decisive decision and I know those

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Speaker 1: go hand and handcuffs do the same thing. But he

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Speaker 1: made moves. Then Ryan Day didn't wait to the end

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Speaker 1: of the year. Now you may look back and you say, oh,

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Speaker 1: he had to do that. No I didn't, No, I didn't.

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Speaker 1: A lot of guys with a lot more age about

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Speaker 1: themselves would have said, well, I'm stuck with who I'm

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Speaker 1: stuck with? Ryan Day didn't. He took decisive action. It's

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Speaker 1: the hallmark of a leader, but also the hallmark of

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Speaker 1: a guy who knows where he wants to go. And

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Speaker 1: when he's got dead weight on his staff, it's not

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Speaker 1: helping him get there. I would love to be more respectful,

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Speaker 1: but that was just the fact of the matter. But

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Speaker 1: they did what they had to do to get to

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Speaker 1: the end of the year. What did he do? What

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Speaker 1: did Ryan Day do? As soon as he got to

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Speaker 1: the end of the year, he went and got one

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Speaker 1: of the best defensive minds of the game in Jim Knowles,

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Speaker 1: got him from Oklahoma State. No one could have seen

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Speaker 1: that coming but him, And so you know, he overturned

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Speaker 1: the parts of the program that he has to overturn.

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Speaker 1: The point is you're watching lessons get learned on a

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Speaker 1: high wire that's a hundred stories off the ground instead

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Speaker 1: of you know, ten feet off the ground. You could

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Speaker 1: fall ten feet. It hurts, but you get up, You're okay.

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Speaker 1: You can't fall when you're where Ryan Day is. But

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Speaker 1: the other part of that confidence is if Ryan Day's

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Speaker 1: serious when he says I'm going to be here for

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Speaker 1: a long time, there is no window to be worried

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Speaker 1: about a lot of programs out there. Since I just

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Speaker 1: mentioned Iowa State, you know a lot of people at

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Speaker 1: Iowa State have been concerned. Well, we've had Brock Purdy there,

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Speaker 1: we had Breeze Hall, and we had a senior veteran

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Speaker 1: laden roster, and we got Matt Campbell, and we know

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Speaker 1: the history of Iowa State football. Is this a window? Yes,

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Speaker 1: it probably is a window, and you better get it

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Speaker 1: done to the maximum because you're probably gonna have to

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Speaker 1: hit a reset button before too much longer. At least

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Speaker 1: that's what history would lead you to believe. At Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: as long as the guy the caliber of Ryan Day

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Speaker 1: is there and recruiting is operating the way it is

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Speaker 1: right now, there is no window. The window is every

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Speaker 1: year they have a football season, you got a shot

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Speaker 1: to do some very special things. So there is no window.

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Speaker 1: And that's what the buddy and I that I mentioned

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Speaker 1: we're talking talking about. He said, you know, I'm just

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Speaker 1: worried that we're a couple of years in now to

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Speaker 1: a window and if we don't get it done. And

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Speaker 1: I interrupted him and I said, what if you don't

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Speaker 1: get it done? What if you don't ever win a

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Speaker 1: championship with CJ. Stroud, what the next best quarterback's going

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Speaker 1: to step up? You'll have another guy that had all

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Speaker 1: five of those stars next to his name. And if

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Speaker 1: you don't have one, you'll go get one from the

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Speaker 1: transfer portal, because you'll have guys who would crawl over

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Speaker 1: broken glass and fight over each other to try and

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Speaker 1: get there to play and wear that Buckeye helmet Like

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Speaker 1: that's a very very coveted position to have. You will

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Speaker 1: not have to worry about a window closing. In other words,

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Speaker 1: if you're Ohio State. But I'm very, very interested to

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Speaker 1: watch this upcoming year because see, there's another kind of

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Speaker 1: divide in the schools of thought about how to look

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Speaker 1: at what's happening in the Big ten. Right now, You've

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Speaker 1: got mel Tucker in Michigan State rapidly improving. No one

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Speaker 1: knows what to expect now from Jim Harbaugh and Michigan,

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Speaker 1: but as of last year you were seeing the best

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Speaker 1: version of that program that we've seen today. Under Jim Harbaugh,

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Speaker 1: Penn State has made some very very good hires. I

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Speaker 1: think Penn State easily has got the best quarterback coming

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Speaker 1: on campus that they've had under James Franklin. I believe that.

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Speaker 1: I remember the Hackenberg era, but I believe that. And

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Speaker 1: at the same time, you got Ohio State still is

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Speaker 1: the main state. Well, how am I supposed to look

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Speaker 1: at this? If I'm an Ohio State Buckeye fan, I'd

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Speaker 1: be excited. Like I think, competition is a very good thing.

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Speaker 1: Clemson sits over here in the ACC, and for several

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Speaker 1: years you had to worry about whether they were being

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Speaker 1: battle tested enough. Some years it was yes, and some

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Speaker 1: years it was no. I think they've done a very

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Speaker 1: good job of navigating that personally, but it's good. It's

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Speaker 1: good to know that there's someone waking up every day

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Speaker 1: who's capable of beating you and multiple places in the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten because it just brings out the best in

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Speaker 1: a staff. You don't ever have to manufacture the motivation

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Speaker 1: and excitement. It's there because there's a real opportunity to

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Speaker 1: get beaten. So I could not feel any better, quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: about the future of Ohio State. I think the fan base,

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Speaker 1: especially once you get into spring practice and you just

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Speaker 1: forget about last year, fan base will feel that way.

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Speaker 1: Fan base should feel that way, so conflicted and confident,

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Speaker 1: and I think that conflicted it'll kind of fade away

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Speaker 1: like an early morning fog, and they'll just be confidence.

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Speaker 1: Because here's what's coming. What's coming is those preseason articles

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Speaker 1: where they tell you how many teams would be favored

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Speaker 1: over Ohio State. And it wouldn't surprise me if we

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Speaker 1: arrive in preview magazine season and there's an article or

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Speaker 1: two out there from an odds maker who says we

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Speaker 1: would favor Ohio State against everyone as it turns out

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Speaker 1: coming into this year, maybe a two point dog against Alabama,

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Speaker 1: favored against everyone else. Those articles are coming, and with it,

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Speaker 1: so too is coming to confidence. Okay, we've got several

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Speaker 1: q and as thank you for watching. If you're watching live,

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Speaker 1: make sure you hit the like button. Someone just I

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Speaker 1: mean Hogan's talking about is Hogan? Are you talking to

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Speaker 1: me in the live chat because you use my entire name,

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Speaker 1: which normally only my mother and father do. I'm happy

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Speaker 1: you had a good workout today, man, I just want

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Speaker 1: to make sure you're talking to me. So anyway, we've

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Speaker 1: got there several questions that I hopefully have answers to

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Speaker 1: the mail bags loaded. The guys have insisted that we

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Speaker 1: pack the mail bag today, so I may not spend

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Speaker 1: five minutes on one question, but we're going to get

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Speaker 1: several of them in here. We really appreciate it. Some

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Speaker 1: really good questions. The ones I don't get to on

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Speaker 1: the show. I'm going to go after the show when

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Speaker 1: I get home, and I'm going to try and answer

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Speaker 1: as many of them as I can. Because one of

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Speaker 1: the questions was why do I keep submitted questions you

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Speaker 1: don't answer them, which is with a lot of merit,

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Speaker 1: not on my end, but on your end. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to try and a tone for that tonight. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's go. What do we have? First? Up? Which monitors

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Speaker 1: should I look at? This one's really big over here.

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Speaker 1: This one makes it look like my eyeballs are closer

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Speaker 1: to the screen. And if you're listening on podcasts, all

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Speaker 1: this is irrelevant. So this is from Tanto Goldsteam, and

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Speaker 1: you know how dependable Tanto is. He said, how quickly

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Speaker 1: are things moving right now? And with how quickly they're

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Speaker 1: moving with nil and some legislation to try and classify

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Speaker 1: athletes as employees, do you think teams listen to this closely?

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Speaker 1: Do you think teams will eventually just be associated with

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Speaker 1: a school but not actually have students as part of that?

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Speaker 1: And what would that semi pro college football league look like?

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Speaker 1: I cannot emphasize to you in strong enough terms how

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Speaker 1: much I despise this concept, not the question, but the concept,

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Speaker 1: because what he's saying, to be clear here is if

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Speaker 1: we are headed down a path where players are going

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Speaker 1: to be compensated and be defined as employees, well, at

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Speaker 1: that point they're not student athletes anymore. And so what

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Speaker 1: the question here is is do we just stop pretending

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Speaker 1: all together? Do we stop even requiring the players to

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Speaker 1: be enrolled at the university? In other words, could you

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Speaker 1: come from could you come from Broken Arrow, Oklahoma and

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Speaker 1: play at Oklahoma but not be enrolled at Oklahoma? You're

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Speaker 1: just being paid to play football there. At that point,

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Speaker 1: you're no different, as he said, as a semi pro

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Speaker 1: football player. I would hate that so much. I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of people want to sound intellectually above the

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Speaker 1: rest of the room and say, well that's the way

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Speaker 1: it's how to deal with it. Okay, I can know

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Speaker 1: that there is a snowstorm coming. If I don't like

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Speaker 1: cold weather, I don't have to like it, you know.

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Speaker 1: So you can either say, well, it's going to snow

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Speaker 1: whether you like it or not, or you can say

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Speaker 1: the poor thing. Jet Blue has great ten ten pm

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Speaker 1: flights to Fort Lauderdale tonight. Why don't you hop on one?

641
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: Well with this? Like, I grew up loving college football

642
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: more than the NFL. I watch pro football. I watched

643
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: the Sunday game, but my love is college football. Why

644
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: because there are certain aspects of our sport that distinguish

645
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: it and set it apart. And one of those, whether

646
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: you want to laugh at it and smirk at it

647
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: or not, is there is an academic layer. Like there

648
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: is an attachment that student athlete has to university that

649
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: is totally different than the attachment that a tight end

650
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: has to the Los Angeles Rams. If he gets signed

651
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: off someone else's practice squad or off the free agent

652
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: wire today, he's there cause someone just signed him. Someone's

653
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma or someone's at Tennessee because they committed to

654
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: spend three or four years of their life there. And

655
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: there are aspects of the entire community and the university,

656
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: maybe the academic experience and the major that you want

657
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: to take part in. There are things beyond just the

658
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: football field that attracts you there. And in turn, there's something,

659
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: at least once upon a time that you played for

660
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: and it was on the side of your helmet. But

661
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: what's on the side of your helmet represented something that

662
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: was greater than just you doing something on Saturday to

663
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: catch a paycheck. It used to be more than that,

664
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: and for a lot of guys it still is more

665
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: than that. I hope it always is that. So I

666
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: don't know. I can't tell you, nor do I think

667
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: anyone else can with certainty, where the sport's going to

668
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: be in five years or ten years. If it is,

669
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: as the question just presented, a semi pro version of

670
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: what used to be college football, I don't know that

671
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: it's something I'd be totally interested in being around. I

672
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: know that's a mouthful, especially considering this is all I do.

673
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: But I don't know. It would feel it would feel

674
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: very inauthentic to me. I'll put it that way, and

675
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: so I'll cross my fingers. That's not where we're heading.

676
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: Next question. This is a tough one. I hate when

677
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: they do this to me. So Michael being the jerk

678
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: that he is, but I love you, Michael. He said, Hey,

679
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: if you had to buy stock in Miami or USC,

680
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: which program would you pick? And why? Because you put

681
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: the question to us now, I'm putting the question to you,

682
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: and he's right. I put this question out last week

683
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: and I said, if you had to place your stock

684
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: in one program, Miami or USC, which would it be.

685
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Miami. Miami is the program I

686
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: put my stock in. I'm going to tell you why.

687
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any substitute for South Florida athletes.

688
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: There's not a place if you allowed me to just

689
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: own one geographical area in America that I would choose

690
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: over South Florida. If you gave me my pick of

691
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: players in South Florida, I would happily take it and

692
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: expect to dominate college football. There are great players in

693
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: southern California. I know that you don't need to get

694
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: in the comment section and tell me how many great

695
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are playing the game right now came from

696
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: southern California. I know who just won the Heisman. I

697
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: know which high school he played at. I may have

698
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: formally mispronounced it and called it what did I call it?

699
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: Mayd D? He used to call it mayor D High

700
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: School instead of Modern Day. But I know where Bryce

701
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: Young went. You know, I know where all these guys

702
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: are coming from. So it's not like I'm going to

703
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: fail choosing either one of them. Because the bottom line is,

704
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: if Mario Christball maximizes the potential at Miami and Lincoln

705
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: Riley maximizes the potential at USC the odds are fairly

706
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: good they're eventually going to meet in the playoff, you know.

707
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: So I couldn't go wrong betting on either one, but

708
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: I'd still rather have Miami. Here's the other part to that.

709
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: I would never have expected me to answer this Miami formally.

710
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: But with Mario Christbaul coming to town also came the

711
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: realization that there's a level of investment down there now

712
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: that quite frankly, we haven't seen the willingness to be

713
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: put up before everybody at Miami has always been good

714
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: at talking, but not everyone at Miami has always been

715
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: good at then saying but hold on, and then pulling

716
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: out the check book and then saying, and I'm going

717
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: to back it up with this zero and this zero

718
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: and this zero. Well, now they are. That's how they

719
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: got Mario Cristoval town their first off and secondly they

720
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: are doing that. And you know, if that infrastructures in place,

721
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: there's no limit to what they can do down there,

722
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: just like there's no limit to what Lincoln can do

723
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: at USC. So again, there's not a bad answer here.

724
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: That's called fence writing for those unfamiliar. But I'll take Miami.

725
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: I had to roll with one. I would take Miami.

726
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: Next up, Oh, we're gonna go with Scooby Manziel here,

727
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: Scooby said, Jimbo said on your show, Jimbo Fisher of course,

728
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: that they now have guys that are going to enable

729
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: him to run things the way he previously was not

730
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: able to offensively. What changes do you think are coming

731
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: to Texas A and M's offense from a coaching standpoint

732
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: this year, specifically because of that new talent. This is

733
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: the biggest question in the Asia right now, quite frankly,

734
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: because everyone's watched Texas A and M under Jimbo Fisher.

735
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: It's the reason I asked him the question when I did,

736
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: when we had him on the show. Everyone's watched A

737
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: and M. And they've had very very good line of

738
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: scrimmage play both sides of the ball, good to great

739
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: in certain years. They've rapidly improved defensively, and so they

740
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: deserve a lot of credit out there for that. But

741
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: yet there's been one constant, and that constant is them

742
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: not being able to fully take advantage of all the

743
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: wealth of talent that they've already had on campus because

744
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: they couldn't stretch the field. They can't. They haven't been

745
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: able to so past tense, they haven't been able to.

746
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: Their explicivity rate in the passing game is abysinal. It's bad.

747
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 1: It almost looks like a joke, that's how bad it's been.

748
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: So when we had Jimbo on the show, I asked him,

749
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: is there stuff that you've wanted to do that you

750
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: just hadn't been able to do? He said, there's no

751
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: doubt about it. This was before the second signing day

752
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: when he just yelled at us the first signing day show.

753
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: He said, yeah, there's a lot that we've wanted to do,

754
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: and that's when he started breaking down his class, and

755
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: that's when he started telling us, I think I got

756
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the country in this cycle, and

757
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: Connor Wegman, I think that we've got the kind of

758
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: perimeter skill talent that we just haven't had. The haven't

759
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: had the plentiful supply of Okay, they've had guys, but

760
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: they've it's been singular, it hasn't been plural. It has

761
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: been guys. They've had a guy every now and then.

762
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: They want their own version of when you look out wide,

763
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: you see Henry Ruggs over here and you see DeVante

764
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: Smith over here. They want all that to them. There's

765
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: no reason they can't have it. And I got to

766
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I don't disagree. And they got

767
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: a lot of it in this class. Now, history would

768
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: also tell you that any great signing class naturally has attrition,

769
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: and some of it is actually naturally occurring. Some guys

770
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: may just not live up to their billing. You may

771
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: have injury that happens, but a lot of it's also

772
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: depth chart related. It's just the modern age college football.

773
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: This is what it is. So you know. The next

774
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: task they have there is make sure you preach competent.

775
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: It's another thing we talked to Jimbo about on signing day.

776
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: Preach competition. Make sure guys understand it before they get

777
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: there so they're not shocked that, oh, my goodness, I

778
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: don't have a job handed to me. And I don't

779
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: think that's going to be the case at A and M.

780
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: But if they can get some guys to realize you're

781
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: not an All American the day you step on the field,

782
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: you know there may be pieces to this recruiting class

783
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: that don't end up shining in a way that wins

784
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: you games until twenty twenty four. And that's perfectly fine,

785
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: that's natural. The unnatural signing class would be one that

786
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: eighty percent of which is already on the field in

787
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: year one. So my answer to this question is the

788
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: sooner that you can see Texas A and M not

789
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: have to wave the white flag every third and nine,

790
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: the better you know. The sooner that you can see

791
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: A and M make defenses feel like they're in scoring

792
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: position no matter where they are on the field, because

793
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: at any given point they can pop the top off

794
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: A defense, or they have enough skill to wear. A

795
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: simple end round with good blocking on the perimeter can

796
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: spring an eighty or ninety yard game. The better. Now,

797
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: it's a long sentence. If we transcribe that, I think

798
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like four lines. They have not been that.

799
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: When's the last time? If if you're a team that

800
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: played A and M, when's the last time you played

801
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: A and M, and you sat on the edge of

802
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: your seat every time they were on offense? Because any

803
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: given second it could happen that has not been Texas

804
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: A and M. And that's what you look to, hopefully

805
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: for your sake change in the future. Moving along, see,

806
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: I told you we're gonna get a lot of these questions.

807
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: The Spartan Dog is up next. He said, what are

808
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: your thoughts on mel Tucker and where him and his

809
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: Spartans are headed? Could they win a title in the

810
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: next decade. I can tell my answer here is going

811
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: to be different than yours. My answer is yes, I

812
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: think Michigan State can win a national championship in the

813
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: next decade. I think that because I think that there

814
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: are things that are going to happen there under Meltucker

815
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: that are irregular in historic nature. History has presented a

816
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: certain set of limitations, if you will, that college football

817
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: has placed on Michigan State as a program. And so

818
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: I'd go back to the old Roger Banister example all

819
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: the time, but I'll do it again because I think

820
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: it fits here. It used to just be understood that

821
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: there were certain physical limitations on the human body, and

822
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: there were things that we could maximally achieve, and then

823
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 1: that was it. And one of those things was human

824
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: beings are not capable of running a mile in under

825
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: four minutes. It just can't happen. The absolute maximum peak

826
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: potential of the human anatomy as such that you cannot

827
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: break a four minute mile if you're a human. And

828
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: then Roger Banister did. And then people looked around and said,

829
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: was the clock broken? What just happened? What happened was

830
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: something that technically was capable of being done all along

831
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: finally was done. Then guess what happened? A bunch of

832
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: folks broke the four minute mile barrier. And so the

833
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: age old question, just like the Chinese bamboo, is it

834
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: is it always possible, you know? Or did it just

835
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: become possible that day? Well, with Michigan State college football

836
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: has convinced us that Michigan State can't get the caliber

837
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: of athlete in East Lansing that it takes to compete

838
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: with year in and year out, the Alabamas and Ohio

839
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: States and Clemsons of the world. They can't. Now, they

840
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: may have a given year where they have a nice

841
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: ten to two record and they end up in Orlando

842
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: on New Year's Day for the Citrus Bowl, the Verbo

843
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: Citrus Bowl. But you know, let's be real, if they

844
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: make the playoff, it's always going to be what it

845
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: was in twenty fifteen. Well, that's the way it has been.

846
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: But just because it has been doesn't mean it always

847
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: has to be. And so with mel Tucker when he

848
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: walked in the door, it's the strangest thing because it

849
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: was the most inopportune time to have to make a

850
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: head coaching higher. Remember when this happened, Mark Dantonio, he retires,

851
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: but he didn't do it in December. He did it

852
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: well after the quote unquote coaching carousel cycle had seemingly

853
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: come and gone, and so everyone was panicked because they said,

854
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: where are we going to go to get a coach?

855
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: And they went and they started a bidding war for

856
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: mel Tucker, and they ended up paying him what a

857
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: lot of people thought was way more than he was worth,

858
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: which I always laugh at because the market is the market.

859
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: What someone's willing to pay you is how much you're worth.

860
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: That's the way it works. And so they went and

861
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: got Meltucker. No one expected anything from him, no one.

862
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: And I'm not sitting here claiming that we were the opposite.

863
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you that we held a parade here

864
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: and said just a matter of time now. But it

865
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter what anyone thinks. It matters what you're

866
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: capable of. And I'm going to reiterate that now. It

867
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if people think Michigan State is or isn't

868
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 1: capable of filling the blank. If you know you're capable

869
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: of it, that's all that matters. And so mel Tucker,

870
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, he is recruiting with an energy

871
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: at Michigan State. I've never seen anyone recruit with there.

872
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: And it's like his hair is on fire, of which

873
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: he has none, and I can relate, but it is

874
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: a metaphor for a reason. They're pounding it up there,

875
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: They're pounding the pavement and they're trying to recruit nationally

876
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: because they know they have to. But that's why it

877
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: was so important for them to do what they did

878
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: this past year. I was there, I was on the

879
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: field when they beat Michigan. That was about so much

880
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: more than beaten Michigan. That was about announcing to the world,

881
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: with all the pregame shows in town and the spotlight

882
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: on East Lansing, that this is a place where you

883
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: can come, not just as a backup option, but as

884
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: a premier option. You got offers from Ohio State, come

885
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: here anyway, you got offers from Clemson in Alabama, think

886
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: about coming here anyway, because we got a pretty special

887
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: thing going on up here, and it's only just begun.

888
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: Had a really good conversation about Karen Carpenter and the

889
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 1: Carpenters over on the Gigham twenty four to seven board

890
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: the other day. We've only just begun. Tragic story, good thread,

891
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: tragic story. But they've only just begun at Michigan State

892
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: right now. So who knows what they're capable of. I

893
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: want you to think about this. Let's do the whole

894
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: hypothetical thing again. Let's say Michigan State has a really

895
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 1: good roster in place. And then let's say any given year,

896
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: we enter December and January transfer portal season as it

897
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: will be henceforth referred to as and a Caleb Williams

898
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: or a quinn Ewers enters the transfer portal and Meltucker

899
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: lands him. All it takes is one time for that

900
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: to happen, for an elite quarterback to choose to go

901
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: to East Lansing and play for Meltucker. Very infectious personality.

902
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: Everyone loves Meltucker. Players will all go over the cliff

903
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: for him if he attracts that kind of guy to

904
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: play for an already pretty stocked cupboard. Otherwise you watch

905
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: and see. All it takes is one year. I remember,

906
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 1: for the longest time they said the same stuff about Clemson.

907
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: There was actually clemsoning as a pejorative term around college football.

908
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: And then I don't start it with Taj Boyd, all

909
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: due respect. When DeShawn Watson came in the door and

910
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: faced one of the best defenses that you will ever

911
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: see on the field for Alabama, he lost to him

912
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, but there you go. Clemson's already in

913
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: a title game. Then they go the next year he

914
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: gets helicopter in the air by Ruben Foster, but they

915
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: still win the national championship. That was all it took.

916
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: That was all it took for Trevor Lawrence sitting at

917
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: home watching, That was all it took. Because then comes

918
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 1: into the destination and just because the quarterbacks go there,

919
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: then everyone else wants to go there too. My point

920
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 1: is that's not happening at this very moment with Michigan State.

921
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: I think that you would be shocked at how much

922
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: the fortune of that program could very well change with

923
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: just one big quarterback acquisition. And it may happen this

924
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: upcoming year, it may happen two years from now. But

925
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: they're going to be good regardless. They're in a very

926
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: good position regardless. But watch what happens. So you asked

927
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: me over the next decade. If that happens over the

928
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: next decade and the situation's right elsewhere, think about this

929
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: past year. Where was the dominant team this past year

930
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: Georgia won a title with statsan Bennett that there was

931
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: no dominant team this past year. There was no unbeatable

932
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: team this past year. I mean Georgia themselves got smoked

933
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: by Alabama and then turned the table on them a

934
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: month later. But if Michigan State were to do that

935
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: and you had a where it was kind of a

936
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: toss up, yeah, they can win a title. Absolutely could.

937
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: It's got myself excited. It's like a little mini green

938
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: Pep rally here. All right, let's roll on several more

939
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: questions to get to really good flow here. Hayden asked,

940
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: what is the ceiling for Auburn in twenty twenty two

941
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: after this Haarson situation? Well, I want to go back

942
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: to a list that I read you a second ago.

943
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: So let's pretend that everything's great at Auburn. This is

944
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: always how I have to classify the Auburn experience. Let's

945
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: pretend everything's great at Auburn. Let's pretend there's no drama

946
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: whatsoever behind the scenes, and the administration hadn't made a

947
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: mockery of the program over the past month. Let's pretend

948
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: all's well and good, sun China rainbows. You still got

949
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: to play Georgia and Bama and A and M and

950
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: LSU every year, and then you've also got to play

951
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: Arkansas every year. You got to play Ole Miss ever year,

952
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: got Penn State coming in this year. This is the

953
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 1: hardest job in major college football. Even when things are great,

954
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: things are not great. Friends on the planes. I know

955
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: you and I haven't spoken, I said that quick. I

956
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: know you and I have not spoken since Brian Harson

957
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: was retained. Weirdest headline ever, uniquely Auburn that headline. But

958
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: this is where we are right now. Brian Harson is

959
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: the head coach at Auburn. Now, as I said, to

960
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: provide context, when this whole thing was going on, I

961
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: guess we can't call it a scandal because it was

962
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: nothing there. But when the Pseudos scandal, the Twitter scandal,

963
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 1: if you will, was going on, I said, I think

964
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: we need to remember, on the off chance that he's retained,

965
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: which he ended up being, you need to remember he

966
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: still got hires to make. They still need an offensive coordinator.

967
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: They have still got the hardest, one of the hardest

968
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: schedules in the country coming up. The recruiting was flat

969
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: this past cycle according to rankings. Now, you never know

970
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 1: how a class actually pans out, so it's not fair

971
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: to grade the class. Yet my opinion was recruiting's well

972
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: off pace compared with the teams they have to play.

973
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: That's my assessment on the Auburn recruiting situation, and then

974
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: they got this schedule to play this year. So let's

975
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: look at this. How many of these teams will they

976
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: be fait it against. They won't be favorite against Georgia

977
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: and Bama. I don't think they'll be favoritegast A and m.

978
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: They will not be favorite against LSU. I would not

979
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: expect them to be favored against Ole Miss or Arkansas.

980
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: Penn State at home is going to be a very

981
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: very competitive game. They do open with Mercer, though. You

982
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: know what's funny is the FCS crowd out there. They

983
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: will look at Auburn's schedule, even with all those land

984
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: mines on there, and they'll say, shame on Auburn for

985
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: scheduling Mercer. And to that crowd, I just reserve an

986
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 1: entire segment on another show because I don't have time

987
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: for it right now. I mean, like, yes, yes, let's

988
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: replace Mercer with UNLV. All of a sudden, there's no

989
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: more FCS team on there that legitimizes Auburn's schedule, all

990
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: of a sudden, spare me. So, I mean, we're looking

991
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: at this list, They're going to be dogs in like

992
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: six or seven games. What would success be here? What

993
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: is success is there a number. I was on with

994
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: the Next Round with Jim Dunaway and Ryan Brown and

995
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: Lance Taylor and those guys. The other day we were

996
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: talking about Auburn, and I asked, what's the no if

997
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: you were to put seven and five on this schedule?

998
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: Is that good enough? Or do you need eight and four?

999
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: Or is there a magic number of wins that are needed.

1000
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: I never believe in that, but that doesn't change it

1001
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: from being the approach for a lot of powerful people.

1002
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: That is a brutal schedule, and so the best case scenario,

1003
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: I think nine wins would be a miracle. I mean,

1004
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: I think that we don't know who the quarterback there is.

1005
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: We've got a bunch of guys like TJ. Finley and

1006
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: Zach Calzada's coming in. There are a bunch of guys

1007
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: who have been backup options at other places that have

1008
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: transferred in. There is no alpha, there's no guarantee on

1009
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: that roster. Even at quarterback. They are void of elite skill.

1010
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: At receiver, there's so much churn here that to go

1011
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: back to when all this was going on, I tried

1012
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: to remind people if he's retained, it'll be one of

1013
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: the stiffest challenges any coach has in America, even if

1014
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: things are good, but if things are dramatic in the scenes,

1015
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: it's going to be a no win situation. This is

1016
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: really really difficult. So the best case was the question.

1017
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: I think the ceiling, I mean, the absolute ceiling would

1018
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: be like nine wins. And we're gonna obviously talk about

1019
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: this more in the summer. The best, worst, most likely scenarios.

1020
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: You find me nine wins. There, you probably got my

1021
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 1: vote for Brian Harshon for Coach of the Year. Early

1022
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: in the process, I many more do we have? Jesse?

1023
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 1: I know we have more? Don't we two more? Okay,

1024
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: here we go roll the dice and the next question

1025
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: that comes up is from Frank. Oh, this was a

1026
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: good one. This was a really good one. I had

1027
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: to think for a second about this one. So Frank said,

1028
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: if you could see one historic game live, what would

1029
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: it be? Now you know how I roll. I will

1030
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: never narrow it down to one, but I did this

1031
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: time kind of. My answer was that Boise State, Oklahoma

1032
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: Fiesta Bowl. This is not that long ago. I got

1033
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: one from way back in the day. I'll end this

1034
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: with but this game to me was the most historic

1035
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: up set in college football history because of the consequences,

1036
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: because of what was on the line. Now, I remember

1037
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: this vividly, as we all do. If you're of any age,

1038
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: you remember it vividly. This is not that long ago,

1039
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: but I remember this is when I was working in

1040
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: the aforementioned fabric warehouse down in Columbus, and this was

1041
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: still at kids. I want you to listen to me

1042
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: very closely. This was in an age where every bowl

1043
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: game was a huge deal. No one and I mean

1044
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: no one looked at that Fiesta Bowl and said, uh,

1045
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: what do we got on the schedule? I No, meaningless

1046
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: Fiesta Bowl. Wonder who's going to opt out? Now? No,

1047
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: it was none of that foolishness. Your precious Playoff had

1048
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 1: not come along yet, and so we didn't have phrases

1049
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: like meaningless bowl game. This was everything. Now, remember what

1050
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: the entire dynamic of college football was. This was still

1051
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: in an era where it was believed that teams from

1052
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: that level Boise's level, if you want to call it,

1053
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: the G five level, those teams cannot compete with, nor

1054
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: can they beat teams from what you would call the

1055
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: Power five level. And so Oklahoma goes into this game

1056
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: and everyone's doing their survivor pools or they're doing their

1057
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: bowl picking pools and where you pick the winner straight

1058
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: up and you have to assign a numeric value. Everybody

1059
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: had Oklahoma as one of their most confident picks. So

1060
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: you go into the game and you realize, hey, it's

1061
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: Boise team, it's Chris Peterson team. They're going to end

1062
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Speaker 1: up hanging with Oklahoma. And so I'm thinking to myself

1063
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: as I'm watching it at home, I'm thinking, I'm thinking,

1064
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: quite frankly about what I'm going to be talking about

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00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: the next day in the sample department, because that's what

1066
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: we did all day to pass the time in the

1067
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: fabric warehouse. We talked about college football. So, man, we're

1068
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: all going to be gathered around the sample table and

1069
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: we're going to be talking about, well, when's the Southeastern

1070
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: freight truck gonna get here? And then in the meantime,

1071
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: how about that game last night? That was crazy? And

1072
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: so I was thinking, man, it's going to be weird

1073
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: because we all thought Bois he was gonna get blown out,

1074
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: and they hung around. You know, they gave Oklahoma a game.

1075
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: That's what we were going to be saying, but certainly, oh,

1076
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: you was about to pull this off. And you get

1077
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: deeper into that fourth quarter and you get down to

1078
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: winning time, and when it unfolded the way it unfolded,

1079
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: and you got the hooking ladder across the middle. I'm

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00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: watching it right now on the screen, and I'm just

1081
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: like a fan again. I remember being in my bedroom,

1082
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: jaws on the ground. Is he going to score? This

1083
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: just happened? I don't believe this? And then there's the

1084
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: whole question of, well, what are they gonna do here?

1085
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: They're going to kick the extra point? What are we

1086
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: taking this thing to overtime? No? And then Chris Peterson

1087
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 1: goes for the win. And then they run the Statue

1088
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: of Liberty play, and I got to be honest, I

1089
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: had played it on video games, and I had run

1090
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: the Statue of Liberty on video games. I could not

1091
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: automatically recall off the top of my head some of

1092
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: the more famous Statue of Liberty plays I had seen.

1093
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: But when they ran that Statue of Liberty and they

1094
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: ran that thing in two point conversion and they beat Oklahoma,

1095
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: it was stunned silence for me for several minutes. I

1096
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: just sat there and I didn't grow up rooting for

1097
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: Boise or Oklahoma, but as I talk about it, I

1098
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: kind of have a little bit of the chill bump

1099
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: effect on my own because I remember how impactful it

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00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: was at that time. This is before you've seen several

1101
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: of these situations in postseason play. This was before you

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00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: saw UCF and Auburn. You know, now you almost come

1103
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: to expect when a G five gets in that setting,

1104
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: they're gonna play with their hair on fire, and it's

1105
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: gonna be tough because that power five team is not

1106
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: gonna get up emotionally. But this was before all that.

1107
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: This was back before that era and that new mindset

1108
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: had set in college football. So it was such a

1109
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: huge upset, and I remember the next day at work.

1110
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: I remember that's all everyone talked about, and you turn

1111
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: on ESPN radio and I remember Colin Cowherd. At the time,

1112
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: he was like the only guy nationally that talked college football,

1113
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: but that day everyone taught college football on national sports

1114
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: talk radio. So that was one of the big presents

1115
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: that game gave us. But the other was who was

1116
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: an Ian Johnson proposed to his girlfriend after the game,

1117
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: So it was basically like it was basically like college

1118
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: football contracted Netflix to make a one game special and

1119
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: that was the special they made. Because if you were

1120
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: to ask people to script stuff, they wouldn't have scripted

1121
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: anything better than that. That's when sports were at their best.

1122
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 1: To me, you've got competition, But when authentic competition yields

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00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: a result that if you would have scripted it, people

1124
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: would have looked at and said, that's not believable, that

1125
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: is when sports aren't their best, or is it its best?

1126
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: And so that night, that was when I would love

1127
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: to have been at because I was not there. Obviously,

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00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what that would have been like watching live.

1129
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: But for those who would love to take this question

1130
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: and go back further in time, I was not quite

1131
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: born yet, but I hear great things about that nineteen

1132
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: sixty nine game Arkansas versus Texas. This is number one.

1133
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: Number two. I want to say. They moved the game

1134
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 1: to December. Frank Broyles had to agree to this, move

1135
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: the game to December, and ABC had a lot to

1136
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: do with that. So you got Darryl Royle at Texas

1137
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: and you got Frank Broyles at Arkansas, and they're one two.

1138
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: And this is back when this is a big rivalry.

1139
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: Like some of you guys, even if you're my age,

1140
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: and you watched Texas go into Fayetteville to play Arkansas

1141
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: this past year, and you saw how fired up Arkansas was,

1142
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: You saw how rabid that place was. It may not

1143
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: have made sense to you, but if you're around the

1144
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: Arkansas program, or you're around the Texas program for that matter,

1145
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: and you remember these days, or you remember what the

1146
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: Southwest Conference was like, you know exactly why that environment

1147
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: an atmosphere was the way it was in Fateful this

1148
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: past year. We'll go back to sixty nine and all

1149
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden you got number one and number two here.

1150
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: Both of these teams had already won a national championship

1151
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: in the decade, Like Arkansas was a powerhouse, Texas powerhouse,

1152
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: and it was number one versus number two. President is

1153
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 1: in the house, everybody who is anybody is there. Renaissance

1154
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: Tour probably would have been in Fayetville that day, had

1155
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: about fifty thousand people there. Keep in mind, is like

1156
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: fifty or sixty years ago. And Arkansas gets out to

1157
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: a fourteen zip lead. Texas comes back, they win at

1158
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: fifteen to fourteen. They called it the game of the century,

1159
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: and Texas goes on to I think beat Notre Dame

1160
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: wins the national championship. But that game was talked about

1161
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: for so long, to the point where when Bama and

1162
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: LSU played that game in twenty eleven in Tuscaloosa, where

1163
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: it was called the game of the century, that was

1164
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: the first time that a lot of the younger generation

1165
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: was reminded of or told about for the first time.

1166
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: Arkansas Texas in nineteen sixty nine. But if you want

1167
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: to have some fun, fire up your YouTube machine or

1168
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: fire up your Wikipedia machine and search nineteen sixty nine

1169
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: Texas versus Arkansas, because that had to have been a

1170
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: site to behold. And they started the game at twelve

1171
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: o'clock or about twelve to twenty in the afternoon. You

1172
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: know how much I love those early afternoon kickoffs. Now

1173
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: these days, it's just because Fox has taken that noon

1174
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: window by the stranglehold for television purposes. Back then, it

1175
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,479
Speaker 1: was cause half of them didn't have good enough lights

1176
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: to play at night. That's kind of its whole side plot.

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00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: Read about the lighting situation and fatble do we move

1178
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: it to Little Rock? Do we trust the lights in

1179
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: the little Rock, all kinds of things. It's a fascinating game,

1180
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,919
Speaker 1: and the story behind the game leading up to the game,

1181
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: when it was played, why it was played on that day,

1182
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: the stakes in the game itself. Oh, Game of the Century,

1183
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine. You know, nineteen sixty nine. If you

1184
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: could just relive a year in the country, a lot

1185
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: of things happened in nineteen sixty nine. So as you

1186
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: fire up the YouTube machine, once you get past the

1187
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: college football aspect, you know we landed on the moon

1188
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty nine, according to almost everyone watching the show.

1189
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: I say almost. I'm not going down that road. But

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00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: those of you watching who know why I'm smiling, know

1191
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: exactly why I'm smiling or why I'm smiling. Jesse, last question.

1192
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: You promised me. This is our last question. Okay, here

1193
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: we go. This question is one that I had to

1194
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: think about for a little while, but I do have

1195
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: an answer for you. So the question is, with the

1196
00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: loaded SEC West, should we be surprised if ark Ands

1197
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: falls back to a negative win percentage in conference play?

1198
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: And I believe in the Arkansas program and the trajectory

1199
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: of the program as much as anyone. Yet the answer

1200
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: to This question is you should never be surprised if

1201
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: someone has a negative win percentage unless you're Alabama. In

1202
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: the SEC West, it's that hard. Think about how many

1203
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: teams are in a division seven and think about the

1204
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: fact that if you get down to like the six

1205
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: and seven positions in the SEC West, who are you

1206
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: talking about right at this moment, you're talking about Auburn,

1207
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: Mississippi State. Mississippi State was in the top twenty five

1208
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: at one point this past year. The investment level is

1209
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: such at these programs that if you were to pluck

1210
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: any of them from their current residence and PLoP them

1211
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: down in some random division and they will Big twelve

1212
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: don't have divisions, or they do again now, but PLoP

1213
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: them down in the ACC they can do some serious damage.

1214
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: You're playing quality competition every week. Mississippi State beat A

1215
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: and M. This past year, ann beat Alabama. You know

1216
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: what the transitive property tells us. That means, don't you

1217
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: congratulations to Mike Leach on his first win over Nick Saban.

1218
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: My point is Arkansas's got to play all these teams,

1219
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: and then there are some years where they got to

1220
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: play Georgia out of the East. No, it wouldn't be surprising.

1221
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: But you know what else wouldn't be surprising. It wouldn't

1222
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: be surprising if Arkansas finished second in the SEC West

1223
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: this year. It would surprise me if they want it,

1224
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: only because think about what you have to do to

1225
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: win the West right now. But if Arkansas finished second

1226
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: in the West, it would surprise me. But if they

1227
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: finished with a sub five hundred recording in division play, no,

1228
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: that wouldn't surprise me either. That's how volatile the SEC

1229
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: West is right now. This is if you're a competitor,

1230
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: the best time to be in the SEC West. And

1231
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: if you're not, you need to find an excused absence,

1232
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,479
Speaker 1: have mom come check you out of school early because

1233
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: you don't want to go down that row. This is

1234
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: a murderer's row by every stretch of that definition. This

1235
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: is tough. You have outsiders look at the schedule and say, oh,

1236
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: Mississippi State, well, there's an easy win. No, it's not. No,

1237
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: there are several guys along that defensive front any given

1238
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: year that are going to go on to play Sunday ball.

1239
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: So Mississippi State may end the year six and six

1240
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:13,959
Speaker 1: and it goes back to one of the big lies

1241
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: in college football, you are not what your record says

1242
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: you are because the trainer's room the following Sunday, when

1243
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: you play a team with all those future Sunday bodies

1244
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: on it, that trainer's room is not any less full.

1245
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: Those bruises aren't any less purple. Just because the team

1246
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: you played is going to go six and six, No

1247
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: one cares. It is hard. It's like a war of

1248
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: attrition too. Look at how thin the rosters are by

1249
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: the end of the year. So no neither scenario would

1250
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: surprise me. With Arkansas, really good show, really good show tonight,

1251
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: feel good about it. We went an hour. We went

1252
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: an hour in February. I can't help but feel partially responsible.

1253
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching. Remember, if you're listening

1254
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: on podcasts, you can five star reviewers on Spotify now

1255
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: you've always been able to on Apple. If you haven't,

1256
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: or if you have but you want to contribute, go

1257
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: steal somebody's phone, not like they do on Euphoria give

1258
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: it right back, but first give us a five star review.

1259
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: Mom will never even know, Mema will never know, and

1260
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: it's for their own good anyway, So thank you so

1261
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: much for that. Make sure you're following Twitter and Instagram

1262
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: athlete kick Josh we got to get out of here.

1263
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: For producer Jesse, for director Colin, for our production executives.

1264
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: I'm Josh Baite. Have yourself a great rest of your evening,

1265
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: and God bless