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Speaker 2: On this week's episode in her Space, Intellect where white

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Speaker 2: supremacy comes into knowledge and education. The idea that Christopher

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Speaker 2: That's absurd. The idea that it just didn't exist until

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Speaker 1: Welcome to her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting women

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Speaker 1: like you. We're your hosts doctor Dominique Broussard, a college

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Speaker 3: And Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker in a

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Speaker 3: world where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood. Please

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Speaker 3: join us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything from

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Speaker 3: black women can just be. You have a very special

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Speaker 3: I've been a fan of this woman for years now,

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Speaker 3: so we work together on the Mocha Girls Pitstop blog

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Speaker 3: and fast forward a couple of years and Rachel's glow

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Speaker 3: up is unreal. Okay, listen to this Rachel Cargo is

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Speaker 3: a public academic, writer and lecture Her activist and academic

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Speaker 3: anthropology and women's studies. But Wait, there's more. Rachel is

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Speaker 3: a writer for Harper's Bizaar and has been featured on Mashable,

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Speaker 3: and Red Table Talk with Jada Fingers, Smith Willow and Gammy. Hello,

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Speaker 3: Rachel Cargo, Welcome to the her Space podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you man. I need to cut my bio down.

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Speaker 1: Don't dim your light, lady.

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Speaker 2: That's what happens when you lit, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: You are so welcome. And so I want to take

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Speaker 3: Very true. We are only a couple of minutes and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's been a catalyst for a lot

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Speaker 3: That makes perfect sense. It makes me think about in

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Speaker 3: think that the feminism that many of us have learned

433
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Speaker 3: is like, oh, it's all women are great, and let's

434
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Speaker 3: celebrate women's rights. But as you, you know, Dug a

435
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Speaker 3: little deeper in your journey, you've realized that it's not

436
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Speaker 3: really what feminism was based off of. So tell us

437
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Speaker 3: a bit more about what you've learned in your critiques.

438
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just the feminist movement overall. When we hear the

439
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 2: word woman, it's usually referencing a white woman. So throughout

440
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: all of the waves looking at women quote unquote women

441
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 2: getting the right to vote. That was black women didn't

442
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 2: get the right to vote until decades after white women did.

443
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: So it's under the guise of all women, but it's

444
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Speaker 2: not actually women. I also teach about the second wave

445
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: of the from this movement where we were looking at

446
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: white women in particular, who were calling it women's empowerment.

447
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: This idea of getting out of the house, being less domesticated, working,

448
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: working was not revolutionary. Working was revolutionary to white women.

449
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 2: Black women had been working for generations for free. So

450
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 2: the idea of work was revolutionary to white women only.

451
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Speaker 2: And to say that this option to work was part

452
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Speaker 2: of a women's movement is not true. It was part

453
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Speaker 2: of a white women's movement. And we see that here again.

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Speaker 2: You know, in generations now looking at the ways I

455
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Speaker 2: often call it voting your whiteness over your womanhood, the

456
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Speaker 2: way that white women are voting and they're making these

457
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Speaker 2: decisions to like I said, I guess the best way

458
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: to say is to vote their whiteness over their womanhood.

459
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Speaker 2: White women voted for Trump. At fifty three percent of

460
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Speaker 2: the white women who went into the voting booths voted

461
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Speaker 2: for President Trump. And so that's just showing that that

462
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Speaker 2: over half of the white women who made that decision

463
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Speaker 2: voted to ensure that their whiteness was maintained at the

464
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Speaker 2: detriment of other women. And it's continuing to show up

465
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Speaker 2: wave after wave of feminists of the feminist movement.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

467
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Speaker 3: And that leads us into the next question around something

468
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Speaker 3: that you mentioned called toxic white feminism playbook. I think

469
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Speaker 3: you have an article that talks about when white supremacy

470
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Speaker 3: were as heels or something along those lines. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I wrote a piece for Harper's Bizarre called when White

472
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Speaker 2: When White feminism is just white supremacy in Hills, And

473
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Speaker 2: it's a conversation around the way is that white women

474
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Speaker 2: are complacent in the white supremacy that they pretend that

475
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Speaker 2: they're not part of. And like you said, I bring

476
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Speaker 2: up the conversations of, you know, but who's raising these men?

477
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: Someone shows the KKK uniforms. You know, the men aren't

478
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Speaker 2: The men definitely aren't sitting there making their own uniform.

479
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: There's women who are behind them, feeding them, loving them,

480
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: caring for them, and ensuring that they feel embolded in

481
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: the work that they do. And so we need to

482
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Speaker 2: consider how white women play into this conversation and not

483
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Speaker 2: just look at them as outsiders. And I think that's

484
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: a really tough pill for white women to swallow, to

485
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Speaker 2: see that they can both be oppressed by their gender

486
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: but also oppressors because of their race and so there's

487
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Speaker 2: a lot of conversation that needs to be had within

488
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Speaker 2: white women communities about how they're not just resting in

489
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Speaker 2: this idea of them being a victim of you know,

490
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Speaker 2: gender based violence or gender based discrimination, but also how

491
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: they're benefiting from and building off of the violence and

492
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Speaker 2: the discrimination against people of color. I often ask the

493
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Speaker 2: question in my lectures and my workshops, you know who,

494
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Speaker 2: who's watching these white women's kids while they're out marching

495
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: in the streets. If it was really about all women,

496
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Speaker 2: we would they would ensure that all of their you know,

497
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Speaker 2: West Indian and black nannies were there as well. And

498
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 2: one who worked in the nanny word, I can say

499
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 2: that even though these white women are out demanding you know,

500
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Speaker 2: equal pay and equal benefits, they're definitely not giving that

501
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: to the women who are working for them. They're definitely

502
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: not ensuring that they're paid well and that they have

503
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 2: all of everything they need to live well, to live

504
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: their lives well. And so I think that there's a

505
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: lot that white women have to swallow in terms of

506
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: the position that they have based on their gender and

507
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,479
Speaker 2: how that shows up also and how they exist with

508
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Speaker 2: their race.

509
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Speaker 3: That's a lot.

510
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Speaker 1: And so as I mean, it's so much to unpack,

511
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Speaker 1: and I feel like there's like a lot that we

512
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Speaker 1: could There's so many more questions that I have, but

513
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Speaker 1: I know that we have like a limited amount of time.

514
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Speaker 1: And so before we move into a slightly different segment,

515
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Speaker 1: well not a slightly different segment, a totally different segment,

516
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Speaker 1: I just have one final question around that to think about.

517
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Speaker 1: So for us to think about, the majority of our

518
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: audience is black women. Her space is for black women,

519
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: and so and a lot of us are in spaces

520
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: where we are working for working with white women. Some

521
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: of us may be friends with white women. And so

522
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Speaker 1: I'm not of the belief that it is our job

523
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: to always do the educating when we're the oppress. Yeah,

524
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: but when we have these opportunities to call someone out

525
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: or engage in a healthy dialogue, particularly people who are

526
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Speaker 1: close to us, how would you recommend What do you

527
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Speaker 1: usually tell your sister friends about how to engage in

528
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Speaker 1: a dialogue with white women?

529
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Speaker 2: Well, there's two things they say. The first is you

530
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Speaker 2: don't have to. Like, you just don't have to. It's

531
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Speaker 2: not your job, Like you mentioned, it's none of our

532
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: jobs be the educators. But for some of us, it

533
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: is our job. Like for me, I literally make my

534
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: livelihood by doing this work. So always I always say

535
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: send them to my page, send them to my website,

536
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: say I'm not going to do this work, but I

537
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: know someone who does. Here's her information, pay her for it.

538
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: So that's one of them. I often tell employers like

539
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: the one sole black woman in your company is not

540
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: your diversity and inclusion teacher. It's not. You need to

541
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: actually hire someone who does this work. So making those

542
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: demands saying just because I'm black doesn't mean that I

543
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Speaker 2: teach on this. If you'd like to have someone teach,

544
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: here's a list of people. There's me. There's a million

545
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: other educators who do this work. So you are welcome

546
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: to refer people to the people who actually do this

547
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: work as their work. The next is that I always

548
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,239
Speaker 2: say to have a tool belt. So a lot of

549
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: my work and my work is very white facing. I

550
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: have I think I have almost two hundred and eighty

551
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: thousand followers right now, and a majority of them are

552
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Speaker 2: white women, and so my work is constantly face seeing

553
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: white women. But my work is ultimately for the black community.

554
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: And in my work, I often give templates for conversation.

555
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: So I would encourage people, there's there's the standard things

556
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: that white people are going to say and do that

557
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: really hurt us. And sometimes when we're in those moments

558
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: of high emotion, it's hard to come up with the

559
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: language to express what we feel or what needs to

560
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: be said in order to call people out. So I

561
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: often create templates that give people the words that they

562
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: can use, that they can kind of practice or kind

563
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: of have on their phone or in their back pocket

564
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: for when they don't have the emotional energy to come

565
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Speaker 2: up with a response. So that's something to maybe look

566
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: into my work, other people's work and say, what have

567
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: other people said to combat this, and how can I

568
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: kind of have this in my back pocket to be

569
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Speaker 2: ready to have this conversation when the moment comes up.

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Speaker 2: And the last thing is I often have a tool

571
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Speaker 2: belt of resources. So if we just think of books

572
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Speaker 2: that we've read, are articles we've read, authors, speakers that

573
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Speaker 2: we can say, I don't have the energy or the

574
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Speaker 2: time or the interest in educating you right now, but

575
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: here's someone you can read, here's someone you can listen to,

576
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: here's what here's some information you can use. Those are

577
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: other ways to kind of know that you did something

578
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: you don't have to deal with, kind of if you

579
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: happen to have guilt for not doing something even though

580
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: you shouldn't, but if you happen to have guilt saying

581
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: I should have done something, you can always have kind

582
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: of a tool belt of resources for people to say,

583
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: I see that you're spiritually bypassing right now, or I

584
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: see that you're trying to tone police me right now,

585
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: or I see that you're trying to do all these

586
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: various things. Here's something you can read so you can

587
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: check yourself and we can try to have this conversation

588
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: at another time when I'm not as hurt as I

589
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: am right now. Based on what you've done or said.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. That is so amazing, And I say thank

591
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Speaker 1: you for doing the work on behalf of all of us.

592
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: And we will definitely be sure to include a link

593
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Speaker 1: to your website in our show notes so that listeners

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Speaker 1: can go and access. And I love how you pointed

595
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: out you pay me to do this work. You will

596
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: pay me. I'm not doing this for free.

597
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Speaker 3: All right, Rachel. So we're gonna shift gears now, and

598
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Speaker 3: this is our last segment of the show that we

599
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: do with guests, and it's called oh you clatch It?

600
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: And I'll explain what it is, and then we'll dive

601
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: in a bit deeper and ask some of these amazing questions,

602
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: these very serious professional questions we have for you. So

603
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: because we recognize and appreciate and celebrate the multifaceted woman

604
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: and believe that it's okay to be classy and ratchet

605
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 3: and you can still be elegant and dance to strip

606
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: club music if you so choose, we invite you to

607
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 3: the oh you clatch It segment. So we want to know, Rachel,

608
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Speaker 3: do you take on the challenge? Yes?

609
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: I do, I'm ready, yay, all right, all right.

610
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Speaker 3: So the first question we have for you is which

611
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: song gets you on the dance floor at the club

612
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 3: or party?

613
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: Anything Lizzo ever has done?

614
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Speaker 3: Yes, don't put me on the Lizzo. I love Lizo.

615
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Speaker 1: She is amazing.

616
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Speaker 3: All right to lisso in the house. What's your favorite

617
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Speaker 3: hairstyle on yourself?

618
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Speaker 2: I love box braids, box long, irrationally long box bray.

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Speaker 1: They could never be irrationally long long as just long.

620
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Speaker 1: Even if it scrapes the floor, it's wonderful.

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Speaker 3: There we go. What's the best compliment you've ever received?

622
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Speaker 2: Oh, people, you know, it's so funny. People ask me

623
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: that often. The best time what I've ever received was

624
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: a guy that I was talking to and he told

625
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Speaker 2: me I was the most curious girl he had ever met.

626
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: I love that cool compliments.

627
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, school's your bad boy or bad girl crush?

628
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Speaker 2: Ooh that's oh you know who it is? David Ruffin.

629
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Speaker 2: I really love him from the Temptation.

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Speaker 1: She took Us Bet and I love my God.

631
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Speaker 2: I love the Temptations so much. My dad like used

632
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 2: to play him. I'll Lucy to play the Temptations all

633
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Speaker 2: the time. And then when I watched the movie, I think, Lee,

634
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Speaker 2: I'm the actor. I thought he was fine, So then

635
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Speaker 2: it made me like curious and steady who the actual

636
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: David Ruffin was. And then I saw pictures of it

637
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: all like, oh wait, were okay, what's fine too? But

638
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: then you know the movie he was like all all

639
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: the way out of control. But I still love him.

640
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's like childhood class right here.

641
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Speaker 1: Yes, okay. Now, speaking of music, twork or two Steps.

642
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: Oh, twork all day?

643
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Speaker 3: What's your favorite book?

644
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Speaker 1: Oh?

645
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: Man, my favorite? There's so many for me saying asking

646
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: what your favorite book is like asking what's your favorite child? Like,

647
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 2: there's no way, there's no way that I can. I'm trying.

648
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: We won't do that even I'm man, what's my favorite?

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Speaker 2: I don't even think I have a favorite book. I

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Speaker 2: read so much and I love books. I just set

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Speaker 2: up three whole bookshelves in my house, one in my kitchen,

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Speaker 2: one in my bedroom, and one in my living room. Like,

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Speaker 2: and I have a small New York apartment, so there's

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Speaker 2: so many, Oh, there's so many.

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Speaker 3: We're going to switch this up for you, Rachel. How

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Speaker 3: about what's your favorite self care practice? Because you do

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Speaker 3: so much heavy lifting, emotional labor and all that, you know,

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Speaker 3: good stuff for our community and for others. What's your

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Speaker 3: favorite like self care tactic?

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Speaker 2: Sleeping in? I feel like we get so caught up

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Speaker 2: in busyness and we get defined by how busy we are,

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Speaker 2: how productive we are, And so I think, like sleeping

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Speaker 2: in is my is such a like revolution to say

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to sleep a little longer.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, And one final question, what is something that

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Speaker 1: many people wouldn't know about you?

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Speaker 2: I'm a pretty vulnerable person, so people I've posted nudes

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Speaker 2: on my Instagram, so people know a good amount about me.

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Speaker 2: I think I was. I was just talking to my

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Speaker 2: partner about this. I'm pretty fluent in sign language. It's

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Speaker 2: something that I studied when I was younger, and language

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Speaker 2: has always been a really special part of my life.

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Speaker 2: I don't really get to use it a time, but

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Speaker 2: it is something that I know.

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Speaker 1: That's cool, that's super cool.

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Speaker 3: Well, Rachel, we just want to one honor you, celebrate you,

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Speaker 3: and just sincerely thank you for the work that you do.

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Speaker 3: You are incredible, As you know, I've always been a fan,

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Speaker 3: so I'm so grateful that we had a chance to

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Speaker 3: chat with you and introduce you to our audience.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm still sitting here in all and feeling really grateful

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Speaker 1: to Rachel because I know that confronting racism, confronting white women,

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Speaker 1: and dealing with white fragility is very taxing and laborious,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just so grateful that she is willing to

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Speaker 1: dive in and do the work on behalf of us.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you, I mean, I want to Oh, if

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Speaker 3: she does a lecture out here, we'll definitely have to

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Speaker 3: support and go to her lecture. I want to also

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Speaker 3: check out those templates and just look into her online

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Speaker 3: catalog because I know that it could be really valuable,

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Speaker 3: and even think about maybe bringing her to my job

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Speaker 3: because we're, you know, such a progressive organization and tech company.

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Speaker 3: It'd be nice to have those conversations there. And really,

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Speaker 3: I mean, these are heavy hitting conversations, and so I

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Speaker 3: think that's necessary. And I mean I was telling you

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Speaker 3: down before we started recording, like just to see someone

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Speaker 3: go from you know, this life, like Rachel said, I

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Speaker 3: felt this way, like, oh, I see these this dream

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Speaker 3: these dreams and goals for myself, and you see this

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Speaker 3: person before and then you see them take off. And

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Speaker 3: we always, you know, dreamers and visionaries, we always think

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Speaker 3: about what it's going to be like. But then she's

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Speaker 3: actually on the other side. She's actually there, and so

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Speaker 3: to be in that space and her talking about, oh,

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Speaker 3: I'm in martha Vineyard, you know, Martha's vineyard on my vacation,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, girl, live that light during this full time.

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Speaker 3: I think it's so inspiring and aspirational for you, lady,

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Speaker 3: if you're listening, you're like, I have this vision for myself,

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Speaker 3: holding this vision and though it may not seem like

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Speaker 3: I'll get there right now. You never know when your

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Speaker 3: post is going to go viral. You never know when

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Speaker 3: someone you know, a higher up it's going to see

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Speaker 3: you online. Social media has been an amazing platform for

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Speaker 3: so many people I know, for me to help me

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Speaker 3: build my brand and connect with other people. We have

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Speaker 3: the podcast that allows us to you know, come into

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Speaker 3: your house, come into your car, and chat with you

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Speaker 3: in these intimate moments. And so I think just watching

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Speaker 3: her journey is just so incredible and just so inspiring. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: black girl magic all day. Yes, yes, So be sure

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Speaker 3: to check out the show notes, lady, and we have

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Speaker 3: some really good content for you coming up this month,

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Speaker 3: so be sure to stay tuned and share it with

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Speaker 3: your mama, your auntie, your cousin, your sister, your colleagues,

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Speaker 3: I mean, share it out. We also want to thank

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Speaker 3: views and what was that in July? Twenty thousand views

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Speaker 3: in July, and that is because of you. So we

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Speaker 3: want to thank you, lady for validating our work and

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Speaker 3: showing up and letting us know what you want to hear,

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Speaker 3: what type of content you want to see, continue to

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Speaker 3: leave us reviews and let us know because we create

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Speaker 3: this for you, so we look for we look at

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Speaker 3: you for guidance as well, in addition to our own ideas.

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Speaker 3: So we thank you, we appreciate you, and we'll see

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Speaker 3: you next time.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us today in her Space. Please note

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Speaker 1: that our show may contain conversations about self help, advice,

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Speaker 1: self empowerment, and mental health, but it is by no

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Speaker 1: relationship with a trained mental health provider. If you or

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Speaker 3: at herspacepodcast dot com. And before we meet again, repeat

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Speaker 3: after me, I will not judge myself for where I'm starting.

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Speaker 3: I'm making progress every day.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next week, lady