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Speaker 1: snooze or you will lose. Welcome to stuff you should
Speaker 1: know from house stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome
Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles w Chuck Bryant,
Speaker 1: and wait for it, there is first time ever guest
Speaker 1: producer Dylan First on first time. I confirmed it with him.
Speaker 1: He's nodding. He said, we're the only show here that
Speaker 1: he hasn't guested as a producer on. So the band
Speaker 1: has been lifted finally. I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: it was his band. They finally warmed down. But you know,
Speaker 1: he's the regular producer on Afro Punk Solution Sessions, Yes,
Speaker 1: which is pretty awesome podcast hosted by our pals Eve
Speaker 1: Jeff Cote and I didn't pronounce the s on Eves
Speaker 1: but it's Eaves and verified this and bridget Todd from
Speaker 1: stuff Mom never told you bridgets Todd. But they do um.
Speaker 1: They kind of present like you know, afro punk, like
Speaker 1: the tour, the Musical Tour, the Awesome Musical Tour. Um.
Speaker 1: They have like a side thing called Solution Sessions and
Speaker 1: it's kind of like um Ted Talks, but for um
Speaker 1: so first for significant things that get overlooked generally, so
Speaker 1: like race centric stuff, reproductive rights or things like that.
Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome. It's good and you can get it anywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, look at that. Well we gotta pay him somehow.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna slide him my half warm sparkling
Speaker 1: water as payment. No, I've got a cold one here.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, how do you get those out of
Speaker 1: the fridge? So chuck um before we get started again.
Speaker 1: A couple other things. There are two episodes in here
Speaker 1: that I want to do separately. Okay, h a bit,
Speaker 1: I can guess them Civil Air Patrol, know what? Sure,
Speaker 1: But that wasn't one of them. Well that was one
Speaker 1: of mine. Okay, so there's three and this is a
Speaker 1: media episode. What's the other one? Then? I don't know oh,
Speaker 1: you know it scuba or we already did Scuba Cat?
Speaker 1: We did? I forgot about him. Did you interview the
Speaker 1: guy who who made Scuba Cat swim around? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: it's funny. We often mentioned Jackhammers is our worst show ever.
Speaker 1: I forgot it's Scuba Cat? Is it? You go back
Speaker 1: and listen. No, but it's got to be the worst, right,
Speaker 1: we'll have to have like a listening party. That was
Speaker 1: like not even a thing. We'll listen to Jack Hammerson
Speaker 1: Scuba Cat. It was, well, it was the thing. It
Speaker 1: was that one cat. Yeah, and I guess we can
Speaker 1: just come out and say now that Discovery Channel made
Speaker 1: us do that. That's like kind of one of the
Speaker 1: only times we were steamrolled. That's funny. Otherwise we have autonomy.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was being steamrolled as much
Speaker 1: as Rick rolled. Well, now, I don't even know what
Speaker 1: you're gonna pick it in, all right, I'll tell you then,
Speaker 1: No more suspense for you, um Coast Guard. No, I
Speaker 1: don't feel like you know me at all anymore. I
Speaker 1: don't search and rescue dogs. Oh they're like, dude, I
Speaker 1: looked at the article. It's at least as big as
Speaker 1: this one all right, robust, and they don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of overlap. It's not like doing recycling twice or
Speaker 1: anything like that. And the other one is getting lost.
Speaker 1: Oh well, that's esoteric, right right. I didn't expect you
Speaker 1: to guess the loss time. I thought you'd get searching
Speaker 1: rescue dogs. But there's a whole psychology getting lost, and
Speaker 1: this is about finding people. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: getting lost. Sometimes it's just too much to put onto
Speaker 1: this one. So it's going to be its own episode, okay,
Speaker 1: and all your mark Civil Air Patrol because fellow network
Speaker 1: host colleague John Roderick of omnibus is or was a
Speaker 1: member of the Civil Air Patrol? Is he mary yet? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: because that'd be something like the flying Mayor of Seattle.
Speaker 1: You'd love to be the flying but even still, remember
Speaker 1: the Civil Air Patrol. It's pretty interesting. So he flies?
Speaker 1: Uh did? I don't know if he's current, but Roderick is.
Speaker 1: He has a very interesting pass. I'd be well, it's
Speaker 1: an interesting It would be kind of fun to do
Speaker 1: Civil Air Patrol and pick his brain. Okay, let's do
Speaker 1: his weird brain, alright, flying brain. So we have our
Speaker 1: two organic show plugs in. Yeah, so we're talking today
Speaker 1: about s search and rescue. I forgot I wrote this.
Speaker 1: You did write it back in like a million years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's when I was. Um. I was so excited to
Speaker 1: be the adventure writer. You wrote a bunch of adventure stuff,
Speaker 1: and I was named adventure writer. Here's the funny part
Speaker 1: of this story. I was named adventure writer. I was
Speaker 1: really excited. Then, after a while of doing this stuff
Speaker 1: before the podcast, I went into an unnamed boss I
Speaker 1: know this story and said like, hey, man, I really
Speaker 1: think that, Like I'm kind of wondering about the future
Speaker 1: here and where where I could go and if I
Speaker 1: could work my way up somehow to do things. And
Speaker 1: he he very politely, was like, I think this is
Speaker 1: kind of the deal, and like there is not much
Speaker 1: of the future here beyond writing these articles. And then
Speaker 1: that same dude would change my life tossing a podcast
Speaker 1: our way. That funny how things work out, It is hilarious.
Speaker 1: No future here, right. I think he even put a
Speaker 1: cigarette out in front of you. On my hand. It
Speaker 1: was really painful. So but a reminder. Still, but you
Speaker 1: wrote some good stuff. The survival stuff is is good.
Speaker 1: We have more to to dig through. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I was nervous going into when I saw this was
Speaker 1: my article from back then. I was like, oh man,
Speaker 1: this is gonna steak. But it was actually a decent article.
Speaker 1: It was It was an expansive article too. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff to it because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff to search and rescue. There's a lot of different
Speaker 1: kinds of search and rescue, right, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: now I feel like the sham is up because you
Speaker 1: already know all this stuff, so I can't tell you anything.
Speaker 1: I guess I'll tell you guys who are listening to
Speaker 1: the podcast. But there's a lot of different types of
Speaker 1: search and rescue. Right. There's urban search and rescue, which
Speaker 1: happens after say like like nine eleven. Yep. I've also
Speaker 1: seen it us and are really yeah, it's a little
Speaker 1: it is um. There's like marine or water rescue, which
Speaker 1: is usually the one that kind of comes to mind
Speaker 1: when I think of like military rescue. But then there's
Speaker 1: like combat rescue, like the Scotto anything which will touch
Speaker 1: on UM. And then there's like the normal search and
Speaker 1: rescue I think a lot of people think of, which
Speaker 1: is somebody getting lost in the woods or their desert
Speaker 1: or something, and a bunch of sheriff's deputies kind of
Speaker 1: spread out and start looking for you deputies and just people. Yes,
Speaker 1: did you know that before you research this article, that
Speaker 1: people like dedicate themselves to spend their own money to
Speaker 1: up on training and equipment and things. Yeah. The reason
Speaker 1: I know that is because, um my dad had a
Speaker 1: touch of this um when he owned a jeep years ago,
Speaker 1: and I told stories about him going out on snowy
Speaker 1: days and using his toe innch to pull people out
Speaker 1: of ditches. So that was I was just aware of
Speaker 1: their being a general like thing with certain outdoors people
Speaker 1: where there they had like they like to get in
Speaker 1: in there and volunteer, and if they hear someone's trapped
Speaker 1: in the woods near their house, they're out there. Like
Speaker 1: I knew they existed, but there's like an actual pro
Speaker 1: sess you can go through and become a registered like searcher. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think some of these people are just do
Speaker 1: gooders and some of them maybe we're like man, I
Speaker 1: never was able to become the uh, the wilderness firefighter
Speaker 1: that I wanted to be or the paramedic maybe, And
Speaker 1: so I'm going to get the state to force them
Speaker 1: to hang out with me while we like this is
Speaker 1: how can live out that unfulfilled? Uh I was about
Speaker 1: to say fantasy, but that means it unfulfilled, you know,
Speaker 1: desire dream, all of them. And then there's the last
Speaker 1: group of people who are like, I want to see
Speaker 1: a dead body in the woods. They start joining star Man.
Speaker 1: Don't get teamed up with that guy. It doesn't always
Speaker 1: and that always the way, though it doesn't always work out,
Speaker 1: is the thing. Sometimes search and rescue becomes searching recovery. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but uh, I mean most of this applies to it
Speaker 1: as well, because search and rescue typically starts out as
Speaker 1: or searching recovery starts out as search and rescue. Right,
Speaker 1: there's always it's kind of neat, like, if you think
Speaker 1: about it, there's really no better quick sketch of humanity
Speaker 1: than a group of people who have never met some
Speaker 1: the person they're looking for, take their time and effort
Speaker 1: and put themselves in peril to go try to find
Speaker 1: somebody who's missing and starts out on the hopes that
Speaker 1: they're still alive. Yeah, and that a lot of times
Speaker 1: what we were talking about there is like the um
Speaker 1: someone was hiking and got lost, and these people kind
Speaker 1: of regularly go out and do this. Uh. But then
Speaker 1: the stuff that really gets me is like the Missing Child,
Speaker 1: where entire communities come together to form you know, quarter
Speaker 1: mile long lines walking through a field or the forest together.
Speaker 1: That's the stuff. This is like, Man, I can't even
Speaker 1: take it. Yeah, you know, way to bring it down, Chuck, Hey,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm here. So uh so okay, so let's
Speaker 1: start at the start. So, if you if you wanted
Speaker 1: to be a I don't. I guess there's a it's professional, right,
Speaker 1: If you're in the Coastguard or in the military, and
Speaker 1: you're trained for this, you're a professional search and rescue person, right.
Speaker 1: It's not like you have your regular duty and then
Speaker 1: on the side you get called out for star stuff. Well.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I mean I think I
Speaker 1: don't think that's necessarily the case. I think the Coast Guard, well,
Speaker 1: we'll have to find that out. Actually it's I don't
Speaker 1: think they're sitting around waiting on a rescue. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: thing is is I saw that the Coastguard rescues in
Speaker 1: average of a hundred and fourteen people a day, So
Speaker 1: they're always just rescuing so I wonder if they have
Speaker 1: like they're just yeah, that's what they do, is some
Speaker 1: there's their search and rescue. People are searching and rescuing
Speaker 1: all day every day. I don't know. I'm stimmied right
Speaker 1: out of the gate. Sorry, man, But we'll we'll start
Speaker 1: with the Coast Guard because they're actually the heart of
Speaker 1: search and rescue. They've been doing this for at least
Speaker 1: fifty years now. Yeah. I mean, there's a school in Yorktown,
Speaker 1: Virginia called the National Star School, and it's operated by
Speaker 1: the Air Force and the Coast Guard. And their motto
Speaker 1: is really great, always ready comma that others may live.
Speaker 1: And I believe a couple of years ago they celebrated
Speaker 1: their fiftieth anniversary. Is a school, yeah, because when I
Speaker 1: wrote this, I believe it was the anniversary. Yea, the
Speaker 1: most recent. This thing is so old. You were talking
Speaker 1: about a change that Noel was undertaking in two thousand nine.
Speaker 1: In future tents like nine comes around. If it does,
Speaker 1: the gray beard hairs are really showing. Uh. So they
Speaker 1: have three simultaneous classes of students going on at this
Speaker 1: our school at all times, and their goal is a
Speaker 1: program is uh to say at least of people and
Speaker 1: of property that's at risk. Pretty good goal. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: to be ready to be there and ready, I believe
Speaker 1: within two hours total response time and to be like
Speaker 1: ready to go within a half hour. Right, so like
Speaker 1: the moment they're activated to the moment they show up
Speaker 1: on seeing two hours tops pretty good. Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1: And then imagine like rescuing. Let's split the difference. At
Speaker 1: first it was and they're like that's shooting a little
Speaker 1: high exactly, but nineties not enough? Yeah, and being uh,
Speaker 1: you know, going through the test and the physical and
Speaker 1: mental testing for this is tough. Yeah. So when I
Speaker 1: was researching this initially, I was thinking like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is cool or whatever, but I've actually come to admire
Speaker 1: anybody who does this, not just because they're out doing this,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of things that they're doing that
Speaker 1: I can't. And now we've really entered that thicket, which
Speaker 1: is like, um, the rescue swimmers test. And so so
Speaker 1: the whole thing starts out with pull ups, which right there,
Speaker 1: I'm done. I'll give you three tops, maybe fifteen chin ups?
Speaker 1: Aren't they the same thing? There? Do you put like
Speaker 1: the chin on the bar and a chin up it's different.
Speaker 1: Chin ups are knuckles facing you pull ups or knuckles
Speaker 1: facing out, So chin up pull up pull ups are harder.
Speaker 1: Yeah either way, maybe three tops because chin ups you
Speaker 1: can you know, kick and swing yourself up. But a
Speaker 1: pull up, especially if you do the Studley arms apart
Speaker 1: pull up like that number. Yeah, No, mine are like
Speaker 1: right under my face. Yeah. So, um, you got twenty
Speaker 1: five of those, followed by a hundred yard obstacle course.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's a pretty rough obstacle course. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen pictures of it. Yeah, and this is while you're
Speaker 1: carrying two fifty pound dumbbells. Again, have you ever picked
Speaker 1: up a fifty pound dumbell? Just once? It's not comfortable,
Speaker 1: Never do it again, and you especially don't want to
Speaker 1: do it while you're doing it obstacle course that's the
Speaker 1: size of a football field, right. Uh So then you're
Speaker 1: timed while you march one mile and you think big deal.
Speaker 1: This is after you've already done these other things though,
Speaker 1: and you're carrying a forty pound rescued letter, which is
Speaker 1: it's called the Stokes basket too. It's a it's that
Speaker 1: caged stretcher that you see so often on the news
Speaker 1: and in the Perfect Storm. I like that movie. It's
Speaker 1: a great movie. I don't know about great, but it's
Speaker 1: a good movie. That's good enough. You convinced me. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then it's still not over because then you get
Speaker 1: into your rescue harness. You put on your fins and
Speaker 1: your snorkel, and you swim a third of a mile
Speaker 1: pulling a victim in one of these rescue letters. You
Speaker 1: swim a third of a mile to the victim, and
Speaker 1: then another third of a mile. You gotta do all
Speaker 1: that in twenty seven minutes. And I think this is
Speaker 1: after you know, it's not like they're like, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll go rest a few hours and then you'll do
Speaker 1: this next part. Plus they make they make you chug
Speaker 1: a cup of pancake batter at every stop. And so
Speaker 1: that's just the swimming art. Uh. There's also the inland training,
Speaker 1: which you gotta learn to climb rocks, you gotta learn
Speaker 1: to repel. Uh. There's a hundred and eighty pound dummy
Speaker 1: that they like tangle up in a tree fifty six
Speaker 1: ft in the air to get it. Yeah, you gotta
Speaker 1: figure that out. Sometimes they have combo scenarios like this
Speaker 1: dude's in the tree. This dude's in the water, Like,
Speaker 1: go figure it out and don't use rocks to get
Speaker 1: the one out of the tree. No, it doesn't count never. So, Um,
Speaker 1: that's pretty that's the Coastguard, and I think the Air Force,
Speaker 1: um go in for that same academy, or maybe all
Speaker 1: members of the military go to the Coastguard one. I
Speaker 1: believe yes, so that if you're a military search and
Speaker 1: rescue person, you train at the Coastguard academy for it, right, right,
Speaker 1: if you're just a normal everyday person and you want
Speaker 1: to do it. There are our schools around the country,
Speaker 1: but they're all private. There's no accreditation. Um. I think
Speaker 1: it's probably buy or beware in some of those cases,
Speaker 1: but I also got the impression that there's actual legitimate
Speaker 1: like s our schools. It's not just somebody who's like
Speaker 1: thanks for the money, chump, buy or beware as opposed
Speaker 1: to full guaranteed or your money back, right you will
Speaker 1: find your first person or all your your tuition is
Speaker 1: is reimbursed. Uh. And then some of these folks ride horses.
Speaker 1: It's called mounted star and horses. Even though it's an
Speaker 1: age old way of getting around or really valuable um
Speaker 1: in search and rescue for quite a few reasons. Yeah. Like,
Speaker 1: first of all, their horses, so I can go farther
Speaker 1: than your dumb human meat body. Sure. Plus they're nice
Speaker 1: to have around as well. They're nice to have around,
Speaker 1: and they can get you to places where you could
Speaker 1: kind of walk, but you probably shouldn't be walking. A
Speaker 1: horse might be a little more sure footed or a donkey.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, and um yeah, I like how you said,
Speaker 1: if you've been sitting in the lab analyzing stuff for
Speaker 1: the last few years, you might benefit from riding a
Speaker 1: horse out to a search of riscue you location. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's a movie seen waiting to happen, if
Speaker 1: it hasn't already. It is. Um Wayne Night just griping
Speaker 1: all mad that he's being dragged out into the woods, right,
Speaker 1: but then they put him on the horse. He's backwards
Speaker 1: on the horse. Somebody stop this thing. Uh. The other
Speaker 1: thing you can do, obviously, the horse is a lot
Speaker 1: stronger than a person. So if you need a rescue
Speaker 1: leader towed up the side or you know, pulled up
Speaker 1: the side of a cliff, you can attach it to
Speaker 1: a horse and then then you're gonna tell him about
Speaker 1: the radio thing. I never thought of this. It's good.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. So you can station horses in position along
Speaker 1: a route when you get further and further into the woods.
Speaker 1: And if you keep a radio transmitter on each one,
Speaker 1: it acts as like a radio relay network. Just install
Speaker 1: a bluetooth into a horse's ear, tin horses ears and
Speaker 1: you've got coms. Not bad, It isn't bad at all.
Speaker 1: I feel like we should take a break. All right,
Speaker 1: let's do that and we'll talk about urban SAR right
Speaker 1: after this. All right, ma'am. So we're talking about you
Speaker 1: sare or US and R yes, depending on who you're
Speaker 1: talking to. This is um. This is a whole different
Speaker 1: type of fish settle of fish um. When you're talking
Speaker 1: about urban starro is not woods. It's not like cliffs,
Speaker 1: it's not the ocean. It is enormous skyscrapers that have
Speaker 1: crumbled in on themselves and there you're sure that there
Speaker 1: are people trapped inside and you have to figure out
Speaker 1: how to get into these this rubble and get them
Speaker 1: out without getting killed yourself. Yeah, and this is a
Speaker 1: division of FEMA. UM probably should come no surprise and
Speaker 1: believe in n is when they set this up. The
Speaker 1: National Response plan for disasters and they have twenty five
Speaker 1: national use AR task forces and in the case of
Speaker 1: a flood or earthquake, what else hurricane, plane crash, has met, spills, tornadoes,
Speaker 1: any natural disaster, a terrorist attack. Um, I think they
Speaker 1: they They were all called out for the Oklahoma City bombing. UM,
Speaker 1: definitely nine eleven, UM, Katrina. They were integral and UM
Speaker 1: some of the bigger ones that you can list off.
Speaker 1: Basically every single one of these task forces was called
Speaker 1: in to the to to assist. Yeah, and assist is
Speaker 1: the key word there, because they are supporting UH local
Speaker 1: and state emergency systems who generally take the lead in
Speaker 1: these cases. Thirty one people I think per team for
Speaker 1: a US OUR task force. And how many did they deployed?
Speaker 1: Twenty of these on nine eleven, like right out of
Speaker 1: the gate. Yeah, I think all of them except for
Speaker 1: Virginia was activated in Virginia's was at the Pentagon instead,
Speaker 1: but like the rest of them were in New York
Speaker 1: for nine eleven. It was just I was reading a
Speaker 1: in firsthand account from a Star Team member at nine
Speaker 1: eleven and they were just like it was this utter chaos,
Speaker 1: Like the people who were in charge were all dead
Speaker 1: when the second tower collapsed. Um, there was just like
Speaker 1: he said, there was just a total leadership vacuum that
Speaker 1: got filled pretty quickly. But I've never seen anything like
Speaker 1: this before. It was nuts. But the just the way
Speaker 1: that they had to improvise was pretty pretty astounding. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: And there's all sort of secondary dangers you know, after
Speaker 1: a building like that collapses, the well, I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess we can talk about a little bit, but I
Speaker 1: mean everything from hazardous materials leaking to you know, electricity
Speaker 1: down to electricity that could you know shock and kill
Speaker 1: you too, water mains bursting and you know, filling up
Speaker 1: spaces and drowning people. It's like there every single front
Speaker 1: you can imagine they're attacking. So one of the first
Speaker 1: things they do. UM. Again, every every UM search and
Speaker 1: rescue situation or every disaster is actually operated initially by
Speaker 1: the local cops. That's who runs search and rescue, and
Speaker 1: like you said, femas there to assist, and usually the
Speaker 1: state agencies are there to assist too. But UM, one
Speaker 1: of the first things that happens when femas UM you
Speaker 1: saw our teams come on the scene is they have
Speaker 1: like structural engineers who are licensed professional engineers who have
Speaker 1: experience in construction or inspection or something like that, who
Speaker 1: come in and say they look at this. So once
Speaker 1: this was a nice, tidy structure. Now it's a different
Speaker 1: kind of structure and it's not tidy at all, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of hidden dangers. But their job is
Speaker 1: to come in and assess the the structure of the
Speaker 1: rubble and figure out how to create safe passage into
Speaker 1: this thing. And they it's pretty amazing that they can
Speaker 1: do it at all. Yeah, and yeah, you mentioned the dogs,
Speaker 1: so we won't get too heavy into that, but um,
Speaker 1: I believe that the largest deployment of dogs in history
Speaker 1: was for nine eleven. Yeah, I think at least, Yeah,
Speaker 1: search and rescue dogs. It worked twelve hours at a time.
Speaker 1: All right, that's enough about search and rescue dogs and
Speaker 1: I value them, Can I say that? Sure? That's that's
Speaker 1: no big news, No, take it back. So, um, one
Speaker 1: of the ways you want to talk about what they
Speaker 1: do when they come into these structures and figure out
Speaker 1: what to do. Sure, I didn't know this, I guess
Speaker 1: I had never thought about what they would do. But
Speaker 1: there there are kevlar bags that you can put underneath
Speaker 1: up the seventy ton pieces of like concrete or metal
Speaker 1: or whatever and inflate them and it will actually lift
Speaker 1: them up to like almost two feet off of the ground.
Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing. And then once you have that, you
Speaker 1: start to shore it up. You put in steel beams
Speaker 1: and then or would depending on how heavy whatever you're
Speaker 1: lifting is, and you actually start to create basically like
Speaker 1: an old timey like Minor forty nine or mine shaft
Speaker 1: into this place, just shoring up and lifting and shoring
Speaker 1: up and along the way to to stabilize the structure.
Speaker 1: And then once you have entry into this place, then
Speaker 1: you start sending in different kinds of rescuers. So you've
Speaker 1: got like the medics who go in. You have people
Speaker 1: who are sending cameras or listening devices um to to
Speaker 1: try to find survivors. You've got the people who are
Speaker 1: testing the air quality to make sure that the air
Speaker 1: conditions are the conditions of the air aren't like deadly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine this is all like you're
Speaker 1: you're on the clock too, so like you have to
Speaker 1: make sure it's safe to go in there, so you're
Speaker 1: just not killing people that are going in to rescue
Speaker 1: and but at the same time you're trying to get
Speaker 1: people out of there. You're not just like, let me
Speaker 1: go investigate the scene and what's going on down there.
Speaker 1: It's like you're on a timer, but you have to
Speaker 1: make sure it's done safely too. It's just like, I
Speaker 1: can't imagine how overwhelming that must be, rescue effort leader. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because there are people who are running this whole show,
Speaker 1: doing their logistics people. There are people who are overseeing
Speaker 1: everybody and making sure that this whole chaotic scene is
Speaker 1: running smoothly. I can't imagine a more stressful job, especially
Speaker 1: having that clock taking on lives, just just draining away,
Speaker 1: just hanging over your head. That's just nuts. And people
Speaker 1: do this. Yeah, and you, like you said, you've got
Speaker 1: has Matt specialists there. You might have to suit up
Speaker 1: yourself before you go in. You might have heard on
Speaker 1: your listening device or from a camera that some people
Speaker 1: are trapped like hundred feet into a place you can't
Speaker 1: even get so you send them like breathing tubes, or
Speaker 1: you might send a rescue letter down there and say,
Speaker 1: if you can get in this thing and strap yourself in,
Speaker 1: we may be able to pull you out because we
Speaker 1: can't get in, do you write? But at the same time,
Speaker 1: you have like heavy equipment operators running like cranes and
Speaker 1: bulldozers trying to like pick off the pieces that the
Speaker 1: structural engineers and said like you can get ready to
Speaker 1: that one. Get and they'll they'll like lift them up
Speaker 1: and move them and try to remove as much stuff
Speaker 1: as they can. But yeah, all again, all this the
Speaker 1: clock is ticking. Do you remember the I think it
Speaker 1: was the Bay Bridge collapse in San Francisco during the
Speaker 1: World Series and I think the earthquake, Yeah, it just
Speaker 1: so happened. San Francisco is playing Oakland in the World
Speaker 1: Series and that that earthquake happened, And do you remember,
Speaker 1: like the whole the top deck just fell down onto
Speaker 1: the other deck on top of people in their cars,
Speaker 1: and like some people survived. It's amazing that there are
Speaker 1: people out there that, like I would just start crying
Speaker 1: in place and huddle in a corner, but there are
Speaker 1: people out there that can stay calm enough and are
Speaker 1: experienced enough to just be like, all right, well this
Speaker 1: is what we do starting right now. Man. Yeah, those
Speaker 1: are the people who slap people like you and me
Speaker 1: and tell us to snap out of it. Share shares.
Speaker 1: One of those people, and maybe some of those people think,
Speaker 1: can you imagine sitting there and talking about our job,
Speaker 1: right and uh, explaining what we do? How perilous that
Speaker 1: is for these two. That's right. I got a paper
Speaker 1: cut earlier. I wasn't gonna say anything about it. It
Speaker 1: was rough. Help prove your point. We should shout out
Speaker 1: the Civil Air Patrol though, even though I do want
Speaker 1: to do a show on that. Um, they are a
Speaker 1: nonprofit with more than I don't know what the numbers
Speaker 1: are now, but when I wrote this, there were more
Speaker 1: than fifty five thousand civilian pilots and cadets, and they
Speaker 1: since have supplemented our own military's aviation. Uh. It's pretty
Speaker 1: neat and like Roderick was a he was pretty young
Speaker 1: when he did this too. I guess he was a cadet.
Speaker 1: I got you that you my guess. I'll bet you
Speaker 1: have the most polished shoes you've ever seen. I'll have
Speaker 1: to ask him about it, because I've never I've never
Speaker 1: actually spoken with him at length about it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it was a it's civilians, right, okay, And it
Speaker 1: was originally supposed to be like we're the liaison between
Speaker 1: the Air Force and and the rest of civilian America.
Speaker 1: But then they said, hey, we think there's some Nazi
Speaker 1: submarines off the coast of Maine. Can you start dropping
Speaker 1: bombs too? And they said, getty up. Oh, I'm sure
Speaker 1: they were delighted. They started dropping bombs in depth charges
Speaker 1: in World War Two and things were never the same
Speaker 1: after that. Yeah, so Civil Air Patrol, your day is coming. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: I just gave a little more information if you want
Speaker 1: to go back and edit that out. So we talked
Speaker 1: a little bit about some of the equipments are um,
Speaker 1: you saw I should say carries with them, but it's impressive.
Speaker 1: And again, if you were a mayor and your local
Speaker 1: sheriff for your local police chief for the police commission
Speaker 1: called you and said, um, we had a building collapse
Speaker 1: and we need some help. You call the governor and
Speaker 1: the governor says, ah, well, we'll see what we can do,
Speaker 1: but we think this is a federal thing. They call
Speaker 1: the president and the President says, FEMA, good on there,
Speaker 1: and FEMA comes free of charge with trade tractor trailers
Speaker 1: full of supplies. From what I saw, it's about one
Speaker 1: point just one Task Forces equipment is like a one
Speaker 1: point four million dollar package of sixteen thousand, four hundred
Speaker 1: pieces of equipment, everything from like medical supplies, the generators,
Speaker 1: to the bulldozers to everything. And they just show up
Speaker 1: and say, how can we help. You're in charge, how
Speaker 1: can we help? Yeah, And it's almost like, uh, all
Speaker 1: the mundane things of assembling. It's like assembling a film
Speaker 1: shoot or something. You're like, well, these people have to eat,
Speaker 1: they have to go to the bathroom. Like yeah, they
Speaker 1: need to sleep, they need to rest. Uh, so you
Speaker 1: have to set up like a little a village, like
Speaker 1: in the case of a nine eleven or any major
Speaker 1: disaster like that. Um. Yeah, I mean it's pretty astounding,
Speaker 1: like the one. I imagine this list grows daily, uh,
Speaker 1: because the one thing you don't want to ever happen
Speaker 1: is to be on the scene of was something of
Speaker 1: a natural disaster and be like give me the the thing.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, we didn't back that thing. Why not? Well,
Speaker 1: I like it's a nice round number. But like you said,
Speaker 1: everything from like chainsaws and jackammers to like bolt cutters
Speaker 1: and porta potties, which we did an episode on. We'll
Speaker 1: probably do on on bolt cutters. One day twenty years
Speaker 1: from now, we did one on jackammers. Did uh should
Speaker 1: we talk about a SAR yeah, um eron c Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this is where the the extraordinarily trained rescue swimmers
Speaker 1: and divers come into play. Yeah, this is amazing. I
Speaker 1: think it's the STATU got in here. Was it has
Speaker 1: a fift dropout rate. Yeah, look to go to the school.
Speaker 1: There's there's like higher you know, spending in the ear No.
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's other military schools that have higher
Speaker 1: wash out rates, but not many. Yeah, it's mostly special forces.
Speaker 1: I think the Ranger school typically has about the same
Speaker 1: wash out rate as the uh, the rescue diver school,
Speaker 1: re excuse swimmer school. It's it's substantial. Like you there's
Speaker 1: a really good chance you're not gonna make it, actually
Speaker 1: a fifty percent chance you're not gonna make it. The
Speaker 1: Coast Guard says that, And this is pretty interesting. Of
Speaker 1: all sea rescues are less than twenty miles from shore,
Speaker 1: and nine of these are only rescue. Um. Thankfully, because
Speaker 1: of all of our distress beacons that we're armed with
Speaker 1: these days, like you can usually well nine of the time,
Speaker 1: you can find these people pretty quickly. At least. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the Coast Guard, and I don't remember exactly when
Speaker 1: it was, but they updated the um distress system that
Speaker 1: they had since the seventy s where you called in
Speaker 1: on a radio frequency and said made a made a
Speaker 1: and tried to give your position. Maybe you had a
Speaker 1: beacon that was operating on that frequency that they could
Speaker 1: try to track. They updated all that with something called
Speaker 1: Rescue twenty one is in the century. That's way more
Speaker 1: sophisticated than it was before. And so now they still
Speaker 1: monitor that channel for for voice may days. But if
Speaker 1: you press your beacon, it's it enters this vast computer
Speaker 1: and communications network that the Coast Guard maintains in at
Speaker 1: least a twenty mile area outside of all of America's shores,
Speaker 1: and um it's you're gonna get their attention pretty quick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, these beacons now they operate at four and
Speaker 1: six mega hurts. That's the newer standard. Oh no, they
Speaker 1: will as of two thousand nine one day. Um Man,
Speaker 1: I was a young man when I wrote this. Jeez,
Speaker 1: just a little pup, just a little pup. These things
Speaker 1: are manually activated a lot of times, but they can
Speaker 1: also be automatically activated. So like if it hits water,
Speaker 1: like not if you spill water on it, but that's
Speaker 1: that's submerged in water, like the boat is sinking, it'll
Speaker 1: automatically activate. Or and this is cool, it's if it
Speaker 1: goes above a certain g force, then that means bad
Speaker 1: things have happened. Don't take it on a roller coaster.
Speaker 1: One thing I saw about that Rescue twenty one is
Speaker 1: one of the updates that they made too. It was
Speaker 1: it has geo locating now, so they can tell where
Speaker 1: a distressed call is actually coming from. Yeah, like it's
Speaker 1: satellite been pointed right. Um, But that actually does away
Speaker 1: with the prank calls of yesteryear. People would actually prank
Speaker 1: called distress calls into the Coastguard. That's so expensive, and
Speaker 1: now they can be like, we can see you're calling
Speaker 1: from Nevada. You're not out on the Pacific Ocean right now.
Speaker 1: You jerk in that terrible Can you imagine leading the
Speaker 1: Coastguard in a wild goose chase? What kind of jerk
Speaker 1: would you have to be? Are you like some sort
Speaker 1: of of unstable search and rescue guys, Like, let's get
Speaker 1: out there. It's like the arsonists who are also firefighters.
Speaker 1: Very interesting, I thought so too. And then one more
Speaker 1: thing about the distressed beacons. There's a new so the
Speaker 1: weather satellites that Noah operates, NASA has onboard instrumentation that
Speaker 1: they have an a star office themselves. NASA does, and
Speaker 1: their whole thing is basically tracking human beings through their beacons.
Speaker 1: Hopefully just through their beacons and not through like I
Speaker 1: don't know, their cell phones. But now if you press
Speaker 1: your beacon, it immediately goes up and immediately gets shot
Speaker 1: out to the rest of the um. There's actually a
Speaker 1: global search and rescue network, so wherever you are in
Speaker 1: the world, that distress signal will be spread out. And
Speaker 1: then in the meantime, as they're getting their resources together,
Speaker 1: they can start to try to find where you are.
Speaker 1: But they get their attention almost instantanea instantaneously now thanks
Speaker 1: to NASA. Yeah, and then eventually the beacons will will
Speaker 1: be that instantaneous and also give out your coordinates down
Speaker 1: to something like a hundred hundred meters. I thought you're
Speaker 1: gonna say, eventually it will predict your disaster. No, eventually,
Speaker 1: it'll just shoot a tractor beam down onto you, pill
Speaker 1: you up to the satellite, and it'll it'll land you
Speaker 1: at Edwards Air Force Base and serve you a nice
Speaker 1: hot meal and send you on your way. That's the future,
Speaker 1: all right. So combats are is next? And uh, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just I don't think about this stuff
Speaker 1: a lot because I generally just think of the military
Speaker 1: is like, well, they just do everything. I thought that
Speaker 1: Gene Hackman assembled like ragtag groups of people that go
Speaker 1: in behind enemy lines. Like ten years later, I thought,
Speaker 1: that's how we did it. What was that? Uncommon? Valid?
Speaker 1: Maybe one of the best post Vietnam movies of all time?
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Have you seen it lately?
Speaker 1: I saw it within the last probably five of yours. Really, Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: it's good A right that I'm not a gun guy,
Speaker 1: but when that guy um gives Gene Hackman the menu
Speaker 1: of the like heavy artillery, it's still pretty cool when
Speaker 1: you see it, Like I would take that one and
Speaker 1: that one. It's so funny, Like I think, I don't know,
Speaker 1: we're not gun guys at all, yet the notion of
Speaker 1: a gun menu just lights us up. What is that
Speaker 1: all about? There's some part of our brain just brainwashing
Speaker 1: from movies. Yeah, probably, I guess, you know, sure, that's
Speaker 1: my guess. Alright, So c sar they're there. They're basically
Speaker 1: kind of the first people to arrive behind enemy lines
Speaker 1: and in the course of battle, and the U. S.
Speaker 1: Air Force takes lead in this situation. So anytime there's
Speaker 1: like a Scott O Grady situation where someone has let's say,
Speaker 1: ejected from their jet behind enemy lines, dude on fire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the worst case scenario probably, Um, that is when
Speaker 1: c s are really uh earns their metal. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and you, I mean, the story of Scotto Grady kind
Speaker 1: of says it all right, Um, it's their metal test,
Speaker 1: their metal to eventually earn a metal. What I meant, yea,
Speaker 1: I think you got it all together. So, Um, I
Speaker 1: think the Air Force still is tasked with combat search
Speaker 1: and rescue, but they're starting to do it jointly with
Speaker 1: the army I think as well. But they have um,
Speaker 1: what it called expeditionary rescue squadrons. That is the name
Speaker 1: of the people that you want coming after you. Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: and they go in, like you said, behind enemy lines, Um,
Speaker 1: under a tremendous amount of danger. There's usually two helicopters. Um.
Speaker 1: One goes in and actually airlifts the person out. The
Speaker 1: other helicopter is there to like shot shoot at people, yeah,
Speaker 1: and be like stay back, stay back, um, because this
Speaker 1: is the like again, it's behind enemy lines, one of
Speaker 1: your pilots has been shot down. When you guys have
Speaker 1: gotten lost or captured or something, these are the people
Speaker 1: who go in and get them. Yeah. They have planes
Speaker 1: to long range search planes like the h C one
Speaker 1: thirty which can actually refuel these helicopters to h H sixties,
Speaker 1: which U they said, the hell the planes are when
Speaker 1: there was like not much of a threat then I
Speaker 1: think the helicopters they use up to a medium threat.
Speaker 1: But like you said, they have you know, ground support
Speaker 1: going on too. Yeah, and there was like a real
Speaker 1: push to update their um their helicopter that they used
Speaker 1: to one that's specifically designed for c SAR. But I
Speaker 1: think the plug got pulled on it, so there's still
Speaker 1: I think working with the is that the h H
Speaker 1: sixties obey they call him double H six zeros that's
Speaker 1: even longer. Okay, Uh. This is kind of the cool
Speaker 1: part for me for c SAR is you don't really
Speaker 1: think about this, but if someone has been shot down
Speaker 1: and they do have radio comms ability and they can
Speaker 1: get in touch with you. You you need to be
Speaker 1: able to authenticate this signal, whether it's a beacon or
Speaker 1: a real human voice on the other end, because they
Speaker 1: could be compromised. They could be sitting there with a collision,
Speaker 1: a cough to their head and uh being forced to
Speaker 1: like you know, lure someone into a trap of a
Speaker 1: foreign enemy. Right, So you have to be able to
Speaker 1: authenticate these calls. And they do that by never giving
Speaker 1: their full uh details over the radio, like as it stands.
Speaker 1: They'll say, it's like add numbers or subtract or multiplied digits,
Speaker 1: and you're like call signs and your rank and your
Speaker 1: unit numbers and stuff like that, right, and then they
Speaker 1: verify who you are. And they once they verify who
Speaker 1: you are, they'll come get you. But there are more
Speaker 1: Some conditions are more ideal than others. And when Scott
Speaker 1: O'Grady very famously went down um in Bosnia during the
Speaker 1: Balkan War, I think they he they received his distress
Speaker 1: signal finally, I think six days on he'd been surviving
Speaker 1: by like drinking the sweat out of his own socks
Speaker 1: and eating bugs and spending the whole time evading UM
Speaker 1: getting captured did of just an amazing job of staying
Speaker 1: alive and staying uncaptured. UM. But he sent out his
Speaker 1: beacon or they received his beacon or distress signal like
Speaker 1: a couple hours before dawn, and they're like, this guy
Speaker 1: has already been missing for six days. We found him.
Speaker 1: We can't let him just stay for another six days
Speaker 1: because the ideal conditions are after dark. They couldn't do that.
Speaker 1: So two hours after that, UM, they went in after
Speaker 1: him like in broad daylight, I guess, And w wasn't
Speaker 1: it marines had actually got him out? And what was
Speaker 1: wasn't it like twenty minutes or something ridiculous too? Oh,
Speaker 1: two minutes from the time they arrived to the extraction
Speaker 1: to the time they were gone again. Yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 1: he wasn't lollygag And I'm sure and he was like,
Speaker 1: let's go. He's like, oh wait, I forgot my basket
Speaker 1: I was making with reads. I got to go back
Speaker 1: and get it. Uh, pretty amazing. So I saw about
Speaker 1: his story, I looked up what happened with him. He
Speaker 1: released a book called Return with Honor, and you know,
Speaker 1: they made that movie Behind Enemy Lines with Owen Wilson
Speaker 1: and Gene Gene Hackman. Again, he was like the guy
Speaker 1: who was trying to get Owen Wilson out. I never
Speaker 1: saw that movie. He sued Fox, twenty Century Fox, and
Speaker 1: then eventually Discovery Channel. He sued um No. He sued
Speaker 1: for basically appropriating his life story. Uh. And the problem
Speaker 1: that he publicly said he had with it was that
Speaker 1: Owen Wilson used foul language, was portrayed as a hot
Speaker 1: dog pilot, and disobeyed orders, and that Scott O Grady
Speaker 1: was none of those. Now was he actually scott O
Speaker 1: Grady in the movie or debate? Thinly disguise? It thinly disguise,
Speaker 1: which meant they didn't need to pay him any royalties, right,
Speaker 1: and it also probably many lost his lawsuit. Imagine, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't see that. I just saw
Speaker 1: like a two thousand one Entertainment Weekly article on it,
Speaker 1: the definitive source. It's good journalism, man. All right, well,
Speaker 1: let's take a break and we'll talk about some search
Speaker 1: techniques and other fun stuff right after this. All right, now,
Speaker 1: this feels like a no brainer, but it's actually a
Speaker 1: little more interesting than you would think. Establishing your search area. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so let's say, where do you look now we've moved
Speaker 1: on to somebody, say like lost in its is a
Speaker 1: really good example of this, right, happens a lot, And
Speaker 1: there's like, if you're a sheriff's deputy, you may or
Speaker 1: may not have any star training. If you're the sheriff,
Speaker 1: you may or may not have any star training. That's
Speaker 1: probably unlikely these days, but it's a possibility. But even
Speaker 1: if you're the only one in your department, you've got
Speaker 1: a whole department who you need to explain what to do.
Speaker 1: And the first thing you have to do is start
Speaker 1: looking for uh answers to your questions. But you need
Speaker 1: to know what questions you have to ask first. So
Speaker 1: if you're looking for any kind of evidence specifically of
Speaker 1: where the last place the person was seen was, that's
Speaker 1: the first thing you want to find. Yeah, last scene
Speaker 1: uh or I think last sing can also be last uh.
Speaker 1: Well if that's not true, because last known position is different.
Speaker 1: So if someone was last seen leading a trailhead um
Speaker 1: for their for their hike, let's say they were last
Speaker 1: seeing at noon starting at this trailhead. That means that
Speaker 1: another human being who's now talking to you as an
Speaker 1: eyewitness said, I saw this person. Yeah, like maybe they
Speaker 1: either saw someone on the trail or they checked into
Speaker 1: a ranger station and got their back country permit or something.
Speaker 1: They're like, I'm off so long, suckers. Uh. That is
Speaker 1: different though, than last known position. So if someone is
Speaker 1: missing their last known uh last scene place, maybe the trailhead,
Speaker 1: but three miles in, if they find that person's baseball cap,
Speaker 1: then that is they're all of a sudden their last
Speaker 1: known position. If you compare that to where they started,
Speaker 1: you might be able to reasonably come up with maybe
Speaker 1: they're headed in this direction and they might be somewhere
Speaker 1: in this area by now. That would be an enormous
Speaker 1: break because if you can figure out when they were
Speaker 1: last seen, like you're saying, and then when this thing
Speaker 1: was found, you know the direction and roughly the speed
Speaker 1: that there they're going. Yeah, and this is there are
Speaker 1: a lot of assumptions involved here, um, but hopefully you're
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully one wasn't like they dropped their baseball
Speaker 1: hat and then decided to go in a completely different
Speaker 1: direction they did. They close your eyes and twirled around
Speaker 1: and just headed out. Yeah, so that's the that's how
Speaker 1: that works, Um, But generally it's a it's a circle
Speaker 1: unless you starting from the last the place they were
Speaker 1: last laid eyes on, right, Yeah, because they could theoretically
Speaker 1: be going in any position in any direction. Um, unless
Speaker 1: you come up with something called the choke point, which
Speaker 1: is kind of interesting. Uh. That is where you have
Speaker 1: either a man made feature or some sort of geological
Speaker 1: natural feature that cuts off an area, like like I
Speaker 1: think definitely, yeah, couldn't have climbed that three ft cliffs,
Speaker 1: So now we can go in this direction across that
Speaker 1: crazy river. Yeah, and the say, if it's a river,
Speaker 1: if it's a cliff, you can just position somebody at
Speaker 1: that cliff and be like, stay here in case you
Speaker 1: see them. If it's a river, you can say, well
Speaker 1: they would have if they wanted to cross, they'd have
Speaker 1: to go to this bridge to stay here on this
Speaker 1: bridge in case they come this way. That's one thing
Speaker 1: to do when you have a choke point, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So if you have a searcher named Cliff and to
Speaker 1: searcher name river, yes, to avoid confusion. And if Jeff
Speaker 1: Bridges is searching as well or Bow Bridges either one, well,
Speaker 1: I think we know that Jeff would be doing the searching, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think would just be telling him
Speaker 1: how to do it. Maybe he is the boss, the
Speaker 1: older brother. Man, those guys are the best, Like they're there.
Speaker 1: Have you met bo I've never met either one of them,
Speaker 1: but I've just heard interviews with both and they're like,
Speaker 1: they're like brothers should be. Oh you've heard interviews with
Speaker 1: them together, no separately talking about each other. It is
Speaker 1: very sweet. They're like best buds. That's cool and very
Speaker 1: big brother little brother. Yeah, it's kind of neat. I
Speaker 1: wonder what the quaids are like. Man, I'm curious about
Speaker 1: that because Randy is you know, yeah, I know he's
Speaker 1: developed into something else. So oh oh, So if you
Speaker 1: were searching from the last position, no, not the last
Speaker 1: known position, last place scene, yes, the last place scene.
Speaker 1: So that's where you start. If you're searching from that
Speaker 1: and you start heading out and you find that baseball cap,
Speaker 1: that is a huge clue, like I said, and probably
Speaker 1: the people who found it are what are called the
Speaker 1: hasty search team, because right when you establish a last
Speaker 1: place scene, you send some people out who are usually
Speaker 1: like very experienced, very well trained star people, and they
Speaker 1: start scrambling out in every direction in that circle lightfoot
Speaker 1: looking for Yeah, that's a part of it. They probably
Speaker 1: climb a tree like nothing, um looking going to the
Speaker 1: places where it would be most likely that somebody like
Speaker 1: this would would go to. Yeah, and that's uh. When
Speaker 1: they think, like, you know, this person is in danger,
Speaker 1: there's a storm coming in or night is falling and
Speaker 1: it's going to get really cold, you deploy these hasty
Speaker 1: search teams that they're not out there coming the ground
Speaker 1: for clues. No, but I think it is a matter
Speaker 1: of course that the first thing you do is deploy
Speaker 1: the hasty team. Then you follow up with the deliberate people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the the clue team, that's what we'll call them, Colonel Mustard.
Speaker 1: They get a little slower and they are and I
Speaker 1: think this, I mean, well, I guess it kind of depends.
Speaker 1: It could be for someone just trapped in the woods,
Speaker 1: but definitely they use these for those community searches when
Speaker 1: like a kid is missing or something. These are the
Speaker 1: things you see on the news and people are walking
Speaker 1: very slowly through the woods because a clue could be
Speaker 1: a a cigarette butt on the ground, you know, and
Speaker 1: you have people say space twenty ft apart, and each
Speaker 1: one is responsible for everything ahead of them, and ten
Speaker 1: ft to the side and ten ft to the other side,
Speaker 1: and then that way, if everybody is doing what they're
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing, every square inch of this this
Speaker 1: search area is covered eventually by this these searchers, the
Speaker 1: second group of searchers. Yeah, they'll also use track traps sometime,
Speaker 1: so they'll like maybe go to a trail, uh, a
Speaker 1: place on a trail or any place really, and they
Speaker 1: will put like sand on the ground and then they
Speaker 1: can go back and check that sand if there were footprints,
Speaker 1: they know that it wasn't wasn't their footprints, So that
Speaker 1: might have be a last known position perhaps, So Chuck,
Speaker 1: if you get lost and they find you and they say, hey,
Speaker 1: come back with us, you might say, uh, no, I'll
Speaker 1: find my own way back. I'll crawl back myself, even
Speaker 1: though my leg's broken. Why would a human being do that? Well, Uh,
Speaker 1: because you might get a bill at the end of
Speaker 1: the day or a week or month, depending on what
Speaker 1: state you get lost in. Yeah, this is a bit
Speaker 1: of a This is a lightning rod in the outdoor
Speaker 1: community because there's a lot of facets to this um.
Speaker 1: One facet is, Hey, if you did something dumb and
Speaker 1: you went somewhere where you weren't supposed to go, and
Speaker 1: you weren't equipped to do this or experience enough to
Speaker 1: do this, why should a taxpayer have to fit foot
Speaker 1: your sixty dollar bill of rescue. It's a legitimate point.
Speaker 1: It's a legitimate point. So they say, pass laws in
Speaker 1: some states to deter people from doing something stupid. On
Speaker 1: the other hand, on them, the other side says, search
Speaker 1: and rescue is a pure public service, just like you
Speaker 1: don't get a bill from the fire department. If you
Speaker 1: do this kind of thing, then people will think twice
Speaker 1: about calling for help. If they don't have the money
Speaker 1: and they know they're going to get a sixty bill,
Speaker 1: they might actually just put it off too long, and
Speaker 1: then by the time they say, okay, fine, I need
Speaker 1: some help, it's too late and they're going to die
Speaker 1: out there. You don't want anybody thinking about money during
Speaker 1: a search and rescue operation. Yeah, I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: sort of a weird balance you're trying to strike between
Speaker 1: encouraging people to get out and explore the wilderness, but
Speaker 1: only wanting people that are to go in certain places,
Speaker 1: and that have a certain experience level to do so,
Speaker 1: and certainly not like like the worst case scenario like
Speaker 1: you were talking about, is I'm in trouble, but I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna send out my beacon. So apparently the Colorado
Speaker 1: Search and Rescue Board actually put together fifteen cases This
Speaker 1: is according to Outside Magazine, of people who actually delayed
Speaker 1: calling for help to Yeah, because they um, they knew
Speaker 1: that they would be charged or there was a chance
Speaker 1: that they would be charged like they So it actually happens.
Speaker 1: It's not hypothetical like it. It happens in real life.
Speaker 1: So there are some states like New Hampshire apparently is
Speaker 1: the the last place you want to um have a
Speaker 1: search undertaken for you, because they actually do bill. They've
Speaker 1: done something like seventy dollars in billing for like sixty
Speaker 1: rescues since two thousand eight. Are pretty low cost rescues. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's surprising like this one guy in this article is
Speaker 1: search and rescue a public service? Not exactly is the
Speaker 1: name of the article. And there was a man named
Speaker 1: Ed Beacon who had an artificial hip, went hiking by
Speaker 1: himself on a bad weather day, tried to jump onto
Speaker 1: a ledge and dislocated that artificial hip and took it
Speaker 1: all the way to the state Supreme Court when he
Speaker 1: didn't want to pay his nine thousand bill, and the
Speaker 1: state Supreme Court said, sorry, yeah, because New Hampshire has
Speaker 1: in their law it says you can be billed if
Speaker 1: you were shown to have been negligent. And the state
Speaker 1: Supreme Court are agreed with the case against him that
Speaker 1: said he had a replacement hip, so a faulty hip,
Speaker 1: and he knew that there was a large possibility of
Speaker 1: bad weather. They said, stay home, old man, basically, and hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he fought it up to the Supreme Court and
Speaker 1: loss and after that you got yeah, you got no recourse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's uh, there are quite a few states that
Speaker 1: have laws like this on the books that range from
Speaker 1: very specific to very broad. And uh, just because your
Speaker 1: state has this on the books a lot of times
Speaker 1: is to dissuade people from being dumb. Um. It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you're gonna get hit with a bill. Even if
Speaker 1: they have the law on the books. It's up to
Speaker 1: them whether or not they want to pursue that. And
Speaker 1: then a lot of states have programs um that you
Speaker 1: can pay anywhere from three bucks to twenty five dollars
Speaker 1: to basically say, if you've paid this money, that means
Speaker 1: that you don't get charged for rescue. Right. It's like
Speaker 1: a communal pot that everybody pays into with the chances
Speaker 1: of them actually needing it very slim, but they do
Speaker 1: need it, then they've got it. Yeah, which I think
Speaker 1: is a great idea. Not bad. I think any outdoor
Speaker 1: enthusiasts that regularly does this with they're three dollars, you know,
Speaker 1: for a year per year. Yeah, that's not bad at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the federal government apparently does not um, although they
Speaker 1: could always change, you never know, but they don't get reimbursed,
Speaker 1: but they have a policy of not charging. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: Last thing I saw there was an app. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm crazy for apps like Gluco for diabetes. There's also
Speaker 1: an app called Drones SAR and it basically takes over
Speaker 1: your drone and and flies your drone in a search
Speaker 1: pattern for a search and rescue mission. So this is
Speaker 1: if you're a drone pilot who has lost no, if
Speaker 1: you have one of those rotor multi rotor drones that
Speaker 1: you like to fly around and buzze your neighbor's roof
Speaker 1: with so your drone pilot, if you show up to
Speaker 1: a UM search and rescue mission, I got a drone
Speaker 1: you want to use it, It's got a video camera
Speaker 1: on it. They say, sure, download drone Star and you
Speaker 1: drone Star app will take over your your drone and
Speaker 1: fly it as part of this search. It's pretty cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Shout out to my buddy Lowell, my sister in law's
Speaker 1: boyfriend is a drone pilot. A couple of shout it's
Speaker 1: for Lowell. He's a drone pilot and a good one.
Speaker 1: I've seen. I've seen him in action, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's not the easiest thing the world to do. He
Speaker 1: doesn't he doesn't crash these things. Although it's kind of
Speaker 1: funny to see drone fails on YouTube UM because it's
Speaker 1: always going great until like there was one I saw
Speaker 1: today where there was a some sort of ape or
Speaker 1: monkey preserve and they were flying all around. It's like, man,
Speaker 1: this is gorgeous. Look at all these apes and monkeys
Speaker 1: doing their thing. And then it flies up close to
Speaker 1: one and this monkey just fully takes a stick and
Speaker 1: goes whack. And then the next thing you know, you
Speaker 1: see it falling on the ground and then you know,
Speaker 1: all these monkeys start descending upon it and like poking
Speaker 1: and stuff. It's pretty neat. So shout out to Lowell
Speaker 1: for that. And I meant to say a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: I finally vaped with Lowell. What gave it a try?
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, he's a vapor. We
Speaker 1: got a lot of flak for dissing vapors. Uh uh.
Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, let me try it.
Speaker 1: And it was one of those you know, flavored things
Speaker 1: with no nicotine. No, it had nicotine. Okay, at least
Speaker 1: at least you're smoking nicotine. Yeah, And it was I
Speaker 1: will say this, it was interesting. So are you hooked
Speaker 1: on vaping now, are you? No? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I never did it again. I took a
Speaker 1: couple of puffs. It's like, well, that's interesting. It tastes
Speaker 1: it was like banana, okay, And I was like, I
Speaker 1: didn't have quite how to wrap my head around still
Speaker 1: like the pleasure of inhaling vapi banana like. But the
Speaker 1: funny thing is I can't stop thinking about it. It
Speaker 1: was weird. I was like, I mean, it wasn't like,
Speaker 1: oh this is disgusting, but I didn't want to do
Speaker 1: it again either. That's good, Charles. I think that is
Speaker 1: the lesson here. I just thought i'd give it a shot.
Speaker 1: So well, good for you for trying new things. Don't
Speaker 1: ever do that again, yea lulls leading me? Done it bad? Ah?
Speaker 1: You got anything else? Nope, So we got a whole
Speaker 1: sweet coming. Just wait, everybody, I can't wait. Uh. And
Speaker 1: in the meantime, you can look up Chuck's awesome articles
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this golf pro. Golf pro, Hey, guys.
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Speaker 1: time as a picker as a teenager, and of course
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Speaker 1: alright with a golf bro, we could do that. Or
Speaker 1: if we want to actually drive the picker, he would
Speaker 1: let us do that. I just rather play golf. I
Speaker 1: want to do both. Okay, well, shoot, let's do it.
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