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Speaker 1: We are doing our first ever live Christmas show, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is December eight at the wonderful Center Stage Theater

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Speaker 1: That's right, they go and sale this Friday, so don't

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Speaker 1: snooze or you will lose. Welcome to stuff you should

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Speaker 1: know from house stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles w Chuck Bryant,

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Speaker 1: and wait for it, there is first time ever guest

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Speaker 1: producer Dylan First on first time. I confirmed it with him.

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Speaker 1: He's nodding. He said, we're the only show here that

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Speaker 1: has been lifted finally. I don't know if it was

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Speaker 1: it was his band. They finally warmed down. But you know,

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Speaker 1: he's the regular producer on Afro Punk Solution Sessions, Yes,

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Speaker 1: which is pretty awesome podcast hosted by our pals Eve

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Speaker 1: Jeff Cote and I didn't pronounce the s on Eves

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Speaker 1: but it's Eaves and verified this and bridget Todd from

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Speaker 1: stuff Mom never told you bridgets Todd. But they do um.

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Speaker 1: They kind of present like you know, afro punk, like

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Speaker 1: the tour, the Musical Tour, the Awesome Musical Tour. Um.

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Speaker 1: They have like a side thing called Solution Sessions and

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like um Ted Talks, but for um

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Speaker 1: so first for significant things that get overlooked generally, so

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Speaker 1: like race centric stuff, reproductive rights or things like that.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome. It's good and you can get it anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, look at that. Well we gotta pay him somehow.

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna slide him my half warm sparkling

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Speaker 1: water as payment. No, I've got a cold one here.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, how do you get those out of

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Speaker 1: the fridge? So chuck um before we get started again.

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Speaker 1: A couple other things. There are two episodes in here

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Speaker 1: that I want to do separately. Okay, h a bit,

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Speaker 1: I can guess them Civil Air Patrol, know what? Sure,

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Speaker 1: But that wasn't one of them. Well that was one

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Speaker 1: of mine. Okay, so there's three and this is a

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Speaker 1: media episode. What's the other one? Then? I don't know oh,

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Speaker 1: We did? I forgot about him. Did you interview the

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Speaker 1: it's funny. We often mentioned Jackhammers is our worst show ever.

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Speaker 1: I forgot it's Scuba Cat? Is it? You go back

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that was being steamrolled as much

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Speaker 1: No more suspense for you, um Coast Guard. No, I

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Speaker 1: host colleague John Roderick of omnibus is or was a

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Speaker 1: member of the Civil Air Patrol? Is he mary yet? No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: because that'd be something like the flying Mayor of Seattle.

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Speaker 1: the Civil Air Patrol. It's pretty interesting. So he flies?

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Speaker 1: his weird brain, alright, flying brain. So we have our

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Speaker 1: about s search and rescue. I forgot I wrote this.

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Speaker 1: You did write it back in like a million years ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's when I was. Um. I was so excited to

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Speaker 1: No future here, right. I think he even put a

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Speaker 1: We have more to to dig through. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I was nervous going into when I saw this was

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Speaker 1: It was It was an expansive article too. There's a

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Speaker 1: That's the stuff. This is like, Man, I can't even

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Speaker 1: take it. Yeah, you know, way to bring it down, Chuck, Hey,

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm here. So uh so okay, so let's

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Speaker 1: If you're in the Coastguard or in the military, and

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Speaker 1: they're always just rescuing so I wonder if they have

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Speaker 1: you start sending in different kinds of rescuers. So you've

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00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: got like the medics who go in. You have people

426
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: who are sending cameras or listening devices um to to

427
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: try to find survivors. You've got the people who are

428
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: testing the air quality to make sure that the air

429
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: conditions are the conditions of the air aren't like deadly. Yeah,

430
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine this is all like you're

431
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: you're on the clock too, so like you have to

432
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: make sure it's safe to go in there, so you're

433
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: just not killing people that are going in to rescue

434
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: and but at the same time you're trying to get

435
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: people out of there. You're not just like, let me

436
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: go investigate the scene and what's going on down there.

437
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: It's like you're on a timer, but you have to

438
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: make sure it's done safely too. It's just like, I

439
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: can't imagine how overwhelming that must be, rescue effort leader. Yeah,

440
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: because there are people who are running this whole show,

441
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: doing their logistics people. There are people who are overseeing

442
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: everybody and making sure that this whole chaotic scene is

443
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: running smoothly. I can't imagine a more stressful job, especially

444
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: having that clock taking on lives, just just draining away,

445
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: just hanging over your head. That's just nuts. And people

446
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: do this. Yeah, and you, like you said, you've got

447
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: has Matt specialists there. You might have to suit up

448
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: yourself before you go in. You might have heard on

449
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: your listening device or from a camera that some people

450
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: are trapped like hundred feet into a place you can't

451
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: even get so you send them like breathing tubes, or

452
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: you might send a rescue letter down there and say,

453
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: if you can get in this thing and strap yourself in,

454
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: we may be able to pull you out because we

455
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: can't get in, do you write? But at the same time,

456
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: you have like heavy equipment operators running like cranes and

457
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: bulldozers trying to like pick off the pieces that the

458
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: structural engineers and said like you can get ready to

459
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: that one. Get and they'll they'll like lift them up

460
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: and move them and try to remove as much stuff

461
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: as they can. But yeah, all again, all this the

462
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: clock is ticking. Do you remember the I think it

463
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: was the Bay Bridge collapse in San Francisco during the

464
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: World Series and I think the earthquake, Yeah, it just

465
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: so happened. San Francisco is playing Oakland in the World

466
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: Series and that that earthquake happened, And do you remember,

467
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: like the whole the top deck just fell down onto

468
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: the other deck on top of people in their cars,

469
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: and like some people survived. It's amazing that there are

470
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,959
Speaker 1: people out there that, like I would just start crying

471
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: in place and huddle in a corner, but there are

472
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: people out there that can stay calm enough and are

473
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: experienced enough to just be like, all right, well this

474
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: is what we do starting right now. Man. Yeah, those

475
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: are the people who slap people like you and me

476
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: and tell us to snap out of it. Share shares.

477
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: One of those people, and maybe some of those people think,

478
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: can you imagine sitting there and talking about our job,

479
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: right and uh, explaining what we do? How perilous that

480
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: is for these two. That's right. I got a paper

481
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: cut earlier. I wasn't gonna say anything about it. It

482
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: was rough. Help prove your point. We should shout out

483
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: the Civil Air Patrol though, even though I do want

484
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: to do a show on that. Um, they are a

485
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: nonprofit with more than I don't know what the numbers

486
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: are now, but when I wrote this, there were more

487
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: than fifty five thousand civilian pilots and cadets, and they

488
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: since have supplemented our own military's aviation. Uh. It's pretty

489
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: neat and like Roderick was a he was pretty young

490
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: when he did this too. I guess he was a cadet.

491
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: I got you that you my guess. I'll bet you

492
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: have the most polished shoes you've ever seen. I'll have

493
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: to ask him about it, because I've never I've never

494
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: actually spoken with him at length about it. Yeah, I

495
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: think it was a it's civilians, right, okay, And it

496
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: was originally supposed to be like we're the liaison between

497
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: the Air Force and and the rest of civilian America.

498
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: But then they said, hey, we think there's some Nazi

499
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: submarines off the coast of Maine. Can you start dropping

500
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: bombs too? And they said, getty up. Oh, I'm sure

501
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: they were delighted. They started dropping bombs in depth charges

502
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: in World War Two and things were never the same

503
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: after that. Yeah, so Civil Air Patrol, your day is coming. Okay, sorry,

504
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: I just gave a little more information if you want

505
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: to go back and edit that out. So we talked

506
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: a little bit about some of the equipments are um,

507
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: you saw I should say carries with them, but it's impressive.

508
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: And again, if you were a mayor and your local

509
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: sheriff for your local police chief for the police commission

510
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: called you and said, um, we had a building collapse

511
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: and we need some help. You call the governor and

512
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: the governor says, ah, well, we'll see what we can do,

513
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: but we think this is a federal thing. They call

514
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: the president and the President says, FEMA, good on there,

515
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: and FEMA comes free of charge with trade tractor trailers

516
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: full of supplies. From what I saw, it's about one

517
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: point just one Task Forces equipment is like a one

518
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: point four million dollar package of sixteen thousand, four hundred

519
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: pieces of equipment, everything from like medical supplies, the generators,

520
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: to the bulldozers to everything. And they just show up

521
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: and say, how can we help. You're in charge, how

522
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: can we help? Yeah, And it's almost like, uh, all

523
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: the mundane things of assembling. It's like assembling a film

524
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: shoot or something. You're like, well, these people have to eat,

525
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: they have to go to the bathroom. Like yeah, they

526
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: need to sleep, they need to rest. Uh, so you

527
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: have to set up like a little a village, like

528
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: in the case of a nine eleven or any major

529
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: disaster like that. Um. Yeah, I mean it's pretty astounding,

530
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: like the one. I imagine this list grows daily, uh,

531
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: because the one thing you don't want to ever happen

532
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: is to be on the scene of was something of

533
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: a natural disaster and be like give me the the thing.

534
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, we didn't back that thing. Why not? Well,

535
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: I like it's a nice round number. But like you said,

536
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: everything from like chainsaws and jackammers to like bolt cutters

537
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: and porta potties, which we did an episode on. We'll

538
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: probably do on on bolt cutters. One day twenty years

539
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: from now, we did one on jackammers. Did uh should

540
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: we talk about a SAR yeah, um eron c Yeah.

541
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: So this is where the the extraordinarily trained rescue swimmers

542
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: and divers come into play. Yeah, this is amazing. I

543
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: think it's the STATU got in here. Was it has

544
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: a fift dropout rate. Yeah, look to go to the school.

545
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: There's there's like higher you know, spending in the ear No.

546
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's other military schools that have higher

547
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: wash out rates, but not many. Yeah, it's mostly special forces.

548
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: I think the Ranger school typically has about the same

549
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: wash out rate as the uh, the rescue diver school,

550
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: re excuse swimmer school. It's it's substantial. Like you there's

551
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: a really good chance you're not gonna make it, actually

552
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: a fifty percent chance you're not gonna make it. The

553
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: Coast Guard says that, And this is pretty interesting. Of

554
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: all sea rescues are less than twenty miles from shore,

555
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: and nine of these are only rescue. Um. Thankfully, because

556
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: of all of our distress beacons that we're armed with

557
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: these days, like you can usually well nine of the time,

558
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: you can find these people pretty quickly. At least. Yeah,

559
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: and the Coast Guard, and I don't remember exactly when

560
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: it was, but they updated the um distress system that

561
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: they had since the seventy s where you called in

562
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: on a radio frequency and said made a made a

563
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: and tried to give your position. Maybe you had a

564
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: beacon that was operating on that frequency that they could

565
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: try to track. They updated all that with something called

566
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: Rescue twenty one is in the century. That's way more

567
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: sophisticated than it was before. And so now they still

568
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: monitor that channel for for voice may days. But if

569
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: you press your beacon, it's it enters this vast computer

570
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: and communications network that the Coast Guard maintains in at

571
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: least a twenty mile area outside of all of America's shores,

572
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: and um it's you're gonna get their attention pretty quick. Yeah,

573
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: and uh, these beacons now they operate at four and

574
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: six mega hurts. That's the newer standard. Oh no, they

575
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: will as of two thousand nine one day. Um Man,

576
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: I was a young man when I wrote this. Jeez,

577
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: just a little pup, just a little pup. These things

578
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: are manually activated a lot of times, but they can

579
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: also be automatically activated. So like if it hits water,

580
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: like not if you spill water on it, but that's

581
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: that's submerged in water, like the boat is sinking, it'll

582
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: automatically activate. Or and this is cool, it's if it

583
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: goes above a certain g force, then that means bad

584
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: things have happened. Don't take it on a roller coaster.

585
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: One thing I saw about that Rescue twenty one is

586
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: one of the updates that they made too. It was

587
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: it has geo locating now, so they can tell where

588
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: a distressed call is actually coming from. Yeah, like it's

589
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: satellite been pointed right. Um, But that actually does away

590
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: with the prank calls of yesteryear. People would actually prank

591
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: called distress calls into the Coastguard. That's so expensive, and

592
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: now they can be like, we can see you're calling

593
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: from Nevada. You're not out on the Pacific Ocean right now.

594
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: You jerk in that terrible Can you imagine leading the

595
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: Coastguard in a wild goose chase? What kind of jerk

596
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: would you have to be? Are you like some sort

597
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: of of unstable search and rescue guys, Like, let's get

598
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: out there. It's like the arsonists who are also firefighters.

599
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: Very interesting, I thought so too. And then one more

600
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: thing about the distressed beacons. There's a new so the

601
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: weather satellites that Noah operates, NASA has onboard instrumentation that

602
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: they have an a star office themselves. NASA does, and

603
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: their whole thing is basically tracking human beings through their beacons.

604
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: Hopefully just through their beacons and not through like I

605
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: don't know, their cell phones. But now if you press

606
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: your beacon, it immediately goes up and immediately gets shot

607
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: out to the rest of the um. There's actually a

608
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: global search and rescue network, so wherever you are in

609
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: the world, that distress signal will be spread out. And

610
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: then in the meantime, as they're getting their resources together,

611
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: they can start to try to find where you are.

612
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: But they get their attention almost instantanea instantaneously now thanks

613
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: to NASA. Yeah, and then eventually the beacons will will

614
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,959
Speaker 1: be that instantaneous and also give out your coordinates down

615
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: to something like a hundred hundred meters. I thought you're

616
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: gonna say, eventually it will predict your disaster. No, eventually,

617
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: it'll just shoot a tractor beam down onto you, pill

618
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: you up to the satellite, and it'll it'll land you

619
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: at Edwards Air Force Base and serve you a nice

620
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: hot meal and send you on your way. That's the future,

621
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: all right. So combats are is next? And uh, I

622
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: don't know. I just I don't think about this stuff

623
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: a lot because I generally just think of the military

624
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: is like, well, they just do everything. I thought that

625
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: Gene Hackman assembled like ragtag groups of people that go

626
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: in behind enemy lines. Like ten years later, I thought,

627
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: that's how we did it. What was that? Uncommon? Valid?

628
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: Maybe one of the best post Vietnam movies of all time?

629
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Have you seen it lately?

630
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: I saw it within the last probably five of yours. Really, Yeah, dude,

631
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: it's good A right that I'm not a gun guy,

632
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 1: but when that guy um gives Gene Hackman the menu

633
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: of the like heavy artillery, it's still pretty cool when

634
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: you see it, Like I would take that one and

635
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: that one. It's so funny, Like I think, I don't know,

636
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: we're not gun guys at all, yet the notion of

637
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: a gun menu just lights us up. What is that

638
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: all about? There's some part of our brain just brainwashing

639
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: from movies. Yeah, probably, I guess, you know, sure, that's

640
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: my guess. Alright, So c sar they're there. They're basically

641
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: kind of the first people to arrive behind enemy lines

642
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: and in the course of battle, and the U. S.

643
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: Air Force takes lead in this situation. So anytime there's

644
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: like a Scott O Grady situation where someone has let's say,

645
00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:00,240
Speaker 1: ejected from their jet behind enemy lines, dude on fire. Yeah,

646
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: that's the worst case scenario probably, Um, that is when

647
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: c s are really uh earns their metal. Yeah, you know,

648
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: and you, I mean, the story of Scotto Grady kind

649
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: of says it all right, Um, it's their metal test,

650
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: their metal to eventually earn a metal. What I meant, yea,

651
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: I think you got it all together. So, Um, I

652
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: think the Air Force still is tasked with combat search

653
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: and rescue, but they're starting to do it jointly with

654
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: the army I think as well. But they have um,

655
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: what it called expeditionary rescue squadrons. That is the name

656
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: of the people that you want coming after you. Yeah, Um,

657
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: and they go in, like you said, behind enemy lines, Um,

658
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: under a tremendous amount of danger. There's usually two helicopters. Um.

659
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: One goes in and actually airlifts the person out. The

660
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: other helicopter is there to like shot shoot at people, yeah,

661
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: and be like stay back, stay back, um, because this

662
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: is the like again, it's behind enemy lines, one of

663
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: your pilots has been shot down. When you guys have

664
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: gotten lost or captured or something, these are the people

665
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: who go in and get them. Yeah. They have planes

666
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: to long range search planes like the h C one

667
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: thirty which can actually refuel these helicopters to h H sixties,

668
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: which U they said, the hell the planes are when

669
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: there was like not much of a threat then I

670
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: think the helicopters they use up to a medium threat.

671
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: But like you said, they have you know, ground support

672
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: going on too. Yeah, and there was like a real

673
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: push to update their um their helicopter that they used

674
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: to one that's specifically designed for c SAR. But I

675
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: think the plug got pulled on it, so there's still

676
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: I think working with the is that the h H

677
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: sixties obey they call him double H six zeros that's

678
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: even longer. Okay, Uh. This is kind of the cool

679
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: part for me for c SAR is you don't really

680
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: think about this, but if someone has been shot down

681
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: and they do have radio comms ability and they can

682
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: get in touch with you. You you need to be

683
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: able to authenticate this signal, whether it's a beacon or

684
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: a real human voice on the other end, because they

685
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: could be compromised. They could be sitting there with a collision,

686
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: a cough to their head and uh being forced to

687
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: like you know, lure someone into a trap of a

688
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: foreign enemy. Right, So you have to be able to

689
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: authenticate these calls. And they do that by never giving

690
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: their full uh details over the radio, like as it stands.

691
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: They'll say, it's like add numbers or subtract or multiplied digits,

692
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: and you're like call signs and your rank and your

693
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: unit numbers and stuff like that, right, and then they

694
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: verify who you are. And they once they verify who

695
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: you are, they'll come get you. But there are more

696
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: Some conditions are more ideal than others. And when Scott

697
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: O'Grady very famously went down um in Bosnia during the

698
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: Balkan War, I think they he they received his distress

699
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: signal finally, I think six days on he'd been surviving

700
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: by like drinking the sweat out of his own socks

701
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: and eating bugs and spending the whole time evading UM

702
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: getting captured did of just an amazing job of staying

703
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: alive and staying uncaptured. UM. But he sent out his

704
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: beacon or they received his beacon or distress signal like

705
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: a couple hours before dawn, and they're like, this guy

706
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: has already been missing for six days. We found him.

707
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: We can't let him just stay for another six days

708
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: because the ideal conditions are after dark. They couldn't do that.

709
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: So two hours after that, UM, they went in after

710
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: him like in broad daylight, I guess, And w wasn't

711
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: it marines had actually got him out? And what was

712
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: wasn't it like twenty minutes or something ridiculous too? Oh,

713
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: two minutes from the time they arrived to the extraction

714
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: to the time they were gone again. Yeah, I'm sure

715
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: he wasn't lollygag And I'm sure and he was like,

716
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: let's go. He's like, oh wait, I forgot my basket

717
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: I was making with reads. I got to go back

718
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: and get it. Uh, pretty amazing. So I saw about

719
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: his story, I looked up what happened with him. He

720
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: released a book called Return with Honor, and you know,

721
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: they made that movie Behind Enemy Lines with Owen Wilson

722
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: and Gene Gene Hackman. Again, he was like the guy

723
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: who was trying to get Owen Wilson out. I never

724
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: saw that movie. He sued Fox, twenty Century Fox, and

725
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: then eventually Discovery Channel. He sued um No. He sued

726
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: for basically appropriating his life story. Uh. And the problem

727
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: that he publicly said he had with it was that

728
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: Owen Wilson used foul language, was portrayed as a hot

729
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: dog pilot, and disobeyed orders, and that Scott O Grady

730
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: was none of those. Now was he actually scott O

731
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: Grady in the movie or debate? Thinly disguise? It thinly disguise,

732
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: which meant they didn't need to pay him any royalties, right,

733
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: and it also probably many lost his lawsuit. Imagine, right,

734
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't see that. I just saw

735
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: like a two thousand one Entertainment Weekly article on it,

736
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: the definitive source. It's good journalism, man. All right, well,

737
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 1: let's take a break and we'll talk about some search

738
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: techniques and other fun stuff right after this. All right, now,

739
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: this feels like a no brainer, but it's actually a

740
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: little more interesting than you would think. Establishing your search area. Yeah,

741
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: so let's say, where do you look now we've moved

742
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: on to somebody, say like lost in its is a

743
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: really good example of this, right, happens a lot, And

744
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: there's like, if you're a sheriff's deputy, you may or

745
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: may not have any star training. If you're the sheriff,

746
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: you may or may not have any star training. That's

747
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: probably unlikely these days, but it's a possibility. But even

748
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: if you're the only one in your department, you've got

749
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: a whole department who you need to explain what to do.

750
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: And the first thing you have to do is start

751
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: looking for uh answers to your questions. But you need

752
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: to know what questions you have to ask first. So

753
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: if you're looking for any kind of evidence specifically of

754
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: where the last place the person was seen was, that's

755
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: the first thing you want to find. Yeah, last scene

756
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: uh or I think last sing can also be last uh.

757
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: Well if that's not true, because last known position is different.

758
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: So if someone was last seen leading a trailhead um

759
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: for their for their hike, let's say they were last

760
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: seeing at noon starting at this trailhead. That means that

761
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: another human being who's now talking to you as an

762
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: eyewitness said, I saw this person. Yeah, like maybe they

763
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: either saw someone on the trail or they checked into

764
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: a ranger station and got their back country permit or something.

765
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: They're like, I'm off so long, suckers. Uh. That is

766
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: different though, than last known position. So if someone is

767
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: missing their last known uh last scene place, maybe the trailhead,

768
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: but three miles in, if they find that person's baseball cap,

769
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: then that is they're all of a sudden their last

770
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: known position. If you compare that to where they started,

771
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 1: you might be able to reasonably come up with maybe

772
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: they're headed in this direction and they might be somewhere

773
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: in this area by now. That would be an enormous

774
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: break because if you can figure out when they were

775
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: last seen, like you're saying, and then when this thing

776
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: was found, you know the direction and roughly the speed

777
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: that there they're going. Yeah, and this is there are

778
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: a lot of assumptions involved here, um, but hopefully you're

779
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully one wasn't like they dropped their baseball

780
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: hat and then decided to go in a completely different

781
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: direction they did. They close your eyes and twirled around

782
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: and just headed out. Yeah, so that's the that's how

783
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: that works, Um, But generally it's a it's a circle

784
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: unless you starting from the last the place they were

785
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: last laid eyes on, right, Yeah, because they could theoretically

786
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: be going in any position in any direction. Um, unless

787
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: you come up with something called the choke point, which

788
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: is kind of interesting. Uh. That is where you have

789
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: either a man made feature or some sort of geological

790
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: natural feature that cuts off an area, like like I

791
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: think definitely, yeah, couldn't have climbed that three ft cliffs,

792
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: So now we can go in this direction across that

793
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 1: crazy river. Yeah, and the say, if it's a river,

794
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: if it's a cliff, you can just position somebody at

795
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: that cliff and be like, stay here in case you

796
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: see them. If it's a river, you can say, well

797
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: they would have if they wanted to cross, they'd have

798
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: to go to this bridge to stay here on this

799
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: bridge in case they come this way. That's one thing

800
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: to do when you have a choke point, right. Yeah.

801
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: So if you have a searcher named Cliff and to

802
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: searcher name river, yes, to avoid confusion. And if Jeff

803
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,959
Speaker 1: Bridges is searching as well or Bow Bridges either one, well,

804
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: I think we know that Jeff would be doing the searching, right,

805
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think would just be telling him

806
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: how to do it. Maybe he is the boss, the

807
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: older brother. Man, those guys are the best, Like they're there.

808
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: Have you met bo I've never met either one of them,

809
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: but I've just heard interviews with both and they're like,

810
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: they're like brothers should be. Oh you've heard interviews with

811
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: them together, no separately talking about each other. It is

812
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: very sweet. They're like best buds. That's cool and very

813
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: big brother little brother. Yeah, it's kind of neat. I

814
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: wonder what the quaids are like. Man, I'm curious about

815
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: that because Randy is you know, yeah, I know he's

816
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: developed into something else. So oh oh, So if you

817
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: were searching from the last position, no, not the last

818
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 1: known position, last place scene, yes, the last place scene.

819
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: So that's where you start. If you're searching from that

820
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 1: and you start heading out and you find that baseball cap,

821
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: that is a huge clue, like I said, and probably

822
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: the people who found it are what are called the

823
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: hasty search team, because right when you establish a last

824
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: place scene, you send some people out who are usually

825
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: like very experienced, very well trained star people, and they

826
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 1: start scrambling out in every direction in that circle lightfoot

827
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: looking for Yeah, that's a part of it. They probably

828
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: climb a tree like nothing, um looking going to the

829
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: places where it would be most likely that somebody like

830
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: this would would go to. Yeah, and that's uh. When

831
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: they think, like, you know, this person is in danger,

832
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: there's a storm coming in or night is falling and

833
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: it's going to get really cold, you deploy these hasty

834
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: search teams that they're not out there coming the ground

835
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: for clues. No, but I think it is a matter

836
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: of course that the first thing you do is deploy

837
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: the hasty team. Then you follow up with the deliberate people. Yeah,

838
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: the the clue team, that's what we'll call them, Colonel Mustard.

839
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: They get a little slower and they are and I

840
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: think this, I mean, well, I guess it kind of depends.

841
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 1: It could be for someone just trapped in the woods,

842
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: but definitely they use these for those community searches when

843
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: like a kid is missing or something. These are the

844
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: things you see on the news and people are walking

845
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: very slowly through the woods because a clue could be

846
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: a a cigarette butt on the ground, you know, and

847
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,959
Speaker 1: you have people say space twenty ft apart, and each

848
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: one is responsible for everything ahead of them, and ten

849
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: ft to the side and ten ft to the other side,

850
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: and then that way, if everybody is doing what they're

851
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing, every square inch of this this

852
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: search area is covered eventually by this these searchers, the

853
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: second group of searchers. Yeah, they'll also use track traps sometime,

854
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: so they'll like maybe go to a trail, uh, a

855
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: place on a trail or any place really, and they

856
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: will put like sand on the ground and then they

857
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: can go back and check that sand if there were footprints,

858
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: they know that it wasn't wasn't their footprints, So that

859
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: might have be a last known position perhaps, So Chuck,

860
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: if you get lost and they find you and they say, hey,

861
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: come back with us, you might say, uh, no, I'll

862
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: find my own way back. I'll crawl back myself, even

863
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: though my leg's broken. Why would a human being do that? Well, Uh,

864
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: because you might get a bill at the end of

865
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: the day or a week or month, depending on what

866
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: state you get lost in. Yeah, this is a bit

867
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: of a This is a lightning rod in the outdoor

868
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: community because there's a lot of facets to this um.

869
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: One facet is, Hey, if you did something dumb and

870
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: you went somewhere where you weren't supposed to go, and

871
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: you weren't equipped to do this or experience enough to

872
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: do this, why should a taxpayer have to fit foot

873
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 1: your sixty dollar bill of rescue. It's a legitimate point.

874
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: It's a legitimate point. So they say, pass laws in

875
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: some states to deter people from doing something stupid. On

876
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: the other hand, on them, the other side says, search

877
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: and rescue is a pure public service, just like you

878
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: don't get a bill from the fire department. If you

879
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: do this kind of thing, then people will think twice

880
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: about calling for help. If they don't have the money

881
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: and they know they're going to get a sixty bill,

882
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: they might actually just put it off too long, and

883
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: then by the time they say, okay, fine, I need

884
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: some help, it's too late and they're going to die

885
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: out there. You don't want anybody thinking about money during

886
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: a search and rescue operation. Yeah, I mean, it's it's

887
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: sort of a weird balance you're trying to strike between

888
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: encouraging people to get out and explore the wilderness, but

889
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: only wanting people that are to go in certain places,

890
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: and that have a certain experience level to do so,

891
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: and certainly not like like the worst case scenario like

892
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: you were talking about, is I'm in trouble, but I'm

893
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: not gonna send out my beacon. So apparently the Colorado

894
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: Search and Rescue Board actually put together fifteen cases This

895
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: is according to Outside Magazine, of people who actually delayed

896
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: calling for help to Yeah, because they um, they knew

897
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: that they would be charged or there was a chance

898
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: that they would be charged like they So it actually happens.

899
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: It's not hypothetical like it. It happens in real life.

900
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: So there are some states like New Hampshire apparently is

901
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: the the last place you want to um have a

902
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: search undertaken for you, because they actually do bill. They've

903
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: done something like seventy dollars in billing for like sixty

904
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 1: rescues since two thousand eight. Are pretty low cost rescues. Yeah,

905
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: it's surprising like this one guy in this article is

906
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: search and rescue a public service? Not exactly is the

907
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 1: name of the article. And there was a man named

908
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: Ed Beacon who had an artificial hip, went hiking by

909
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: himself on a bad weather day, tried to jump onto

910
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: a ledge and dislocated that artificial hip and took it

911
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: all the way to the state Supreme Court when he

912
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: didn't want to pay his nine thousand bill, and the

913
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: state Supreme Court said, sorry, yeah, because New Hampshire has

914
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: in their law it says you can be billed if

915
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: you were shown to have been negligent. And the state

916
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: Supreme Court are agreed with the case against him that

917
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: said he had a replacement hip, so a faulty hip,

918
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: and he knew that there was a large possibility of

919
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: bad weather. They said, stay home, old man, basically, and hey, yeah,

920
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: but he fought it up to the Supreme Court and

921
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 1: loss and after that you got yeah, you got no recourse. Yeah,

922
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: and there's uh, there are quite a few states that

923
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: have laws like this on the books that range from

924
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: very specific to very broad. And uh, just because your

925
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: state has this on the books a lot of times

926
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: is to dissuade people from being dumb. Um. It doesn't

927
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: mean you're gonna get hit with a bill. Even if

928
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: they have the law on the books. It's up to

929
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: them whether or not they want to pursue that. And

930
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: then a lot of states have programs um that you

931
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 1: can pay anywhere from three bucks to twenty five dollars

932
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: to basically say, if you've paid this money, that means

933
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: that you don't get charged for rescue. Right. It's like

934
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: a communal pot that everybody pays into with the chances

935
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: of them actually needing it very slim, but they do

936
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: need it, then they've got it. Yeah, which I think

937
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: is a great idea. Not bad. I think any outdoor

938
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: enthusiasts that regularly does this with they're three dollars, you know,

939
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: for a year per year. Yeah, that's not bad at all. Yeah,

940
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: And the federal government apparently does not um, although they

941
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: could always change, you never know, but they don't get reimbursed,

942
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: but they have a policy of not charging. Yeah. Um.

943
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: Last thing I saw there was an app. You know,

944
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm crazy for apps like Gluco for diabetes. There's also

945
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: an app called Drones SAR and it basically takes over

946
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 1: your drone and and flies your drone in a search

947
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: pattern for a search and rescue mission. So this is

948
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: if you're a drone pilot who has lost no, if

949
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: you have one of those rotor multi rotor drones that

950
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: you like to fly around and buzze your neighbor's roof

951
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: with so your drone pilot, if you show up to

952
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 1: a UM search and rescue mission, I got a drone

953
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: you want to use it, It's got a video camera

954
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: on it. They say, sure, download drone Star and you

955
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: drone Star app will take over your your drone and

956
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,959
Speaker 1: fly it as part of this search. It's pretty cool. Yeah.

957
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: Shout out to my buddy Lowell, my sister in law's

958
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: boyfriend is a drone pilot. A couple of shout it's

959
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: for Lowell. He's a drone pilot and a good one.

960
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: I've seen. I've seen him in action, and you know,

961
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: it's not the easiest thing the world to do. He

962
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: doesn't he doesn't crash these things. Although it's kind of

963
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: funny to see drone fails on YouTube UM because it's

964
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: always going great until like there was one I saw

965
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: today where there was a some sort of ape or

966
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: monkey preserve and they were flying all around. It's like, man,

967
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 1: this is gorgeous. Look at all these apes and monkeys

968
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: doing their thing. And then it flies up close to

969
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: one and this monkey just fully takes a stick and

970
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: goes whack. And then the next thing you know, you

971
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: see it falling on the ground and then you know,

972
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: all these monkeys start descending upon it and like poking

973
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: and stuff. It's pretty neat. So shout out to Lowell

974
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: for that. And I meant to say a few weeks ago,

975
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: I finally vaped with Lowell. What gave it a try?

976
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, he's a vapor. We

977
00:55:54,960 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: got a lot of flak for dissing vapors. Uh uh.

978
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, let me try it.

979
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: And it was one of those you know, flavored things

980
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 1: with no nicotine. No, it had nicotine. Okay, at least

981
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: at least you're smoking nicotine. Yeah, And it was I

982
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: will say this, it was interesting. So are you hooked

983
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: on vaping now, are you? No? No, no, no, no,

984
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm not. I never did it again. I took a

985
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: couple of puffs. It's like, well, that's interesting. It tastes

986
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: it was like banana, okay, And I was like, I

987
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: didn't have quite how to wrap my head around still

988
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: like the pleasure of inhaling vapi banana like. But the

989
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: funny thing is I can't stop thinking about it. It

990
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: was weird. I was like, I mean, it wasn't like,

991
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: oh this is disgusting, but I didn't want to do

992
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: it again either. That's good, Charles. I think that is

993
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: the lesson here. I just thought i'd give it a shot.

994
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: So well, good for you for trying new things. Don't

995
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: ever do that again, yea lulls leading me? Done it bad? Ah?

996
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 1: You got anything else? Nope, So we got a whole

997
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: sweet coming. Just wait, everybody, I can't wait. Uh. And

998
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: in the meantime, you can look up Chuck's awesome articles

999
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: Star Search and Rescue on how stuff works in the

1000
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: search bar. Since I said search bar's time for listener mail,

1001
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this golf pro. Golf pro, Hey, guys.

1002
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: Like many in the golf business, my first job included

1003
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: time as a picker as a teenager, and of course

1004
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: I soon became acquainted with the multiple bangs and clangs

1005
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: of titlists ricocheting off every side of the cage. Remember

1006
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: we talked about taking aim on the driving range at

1007
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: those folks going and beatles. A few years later, when

1008
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: I was a beginning my career as an assistant pro,

1009
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: I found myself supervising these kids, one of whom relished

1010
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: his time on the range and especially the chance to

1011
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: engage in good natured trash talk whenever his card came

1012
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: within reach. On one such occasion, after a friend and

1013
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: I had missed him on several point blank attempts, he

1014
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: turned the card away from us to make another pass

1015
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: on the far into the range, confident that our aim

1016
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: would certainly not be better. As he moved further away,

1017
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: traveling in a direct line away from me, he had

1018
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: reached a distance about a hundred and fifty yards when

1019
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: my laser beam three iron shot took flight on a

1020
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: low trajectory and never left its target. It came as

1021
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: a surprise to him and to me when, instead of

1022
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: the usual clang followed by laughter, we heard a dull

1023
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: thud and a low groan. It turned out our range picker,

1024
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: which is the car, included a narrow gap of about

1025
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: two and a half inches where the back of the

1026
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: cage met the top of the seat in the rear

1027
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: of the cart. Despite my countless hours in that old machine,

1028
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: I never noticed that. Neither had he. Thankfully, his likable

1029
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: demeanor had led him to be well tipped by the membership,

1030
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: and the wallet in his back pocket, thick with dozens

1031
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: of dollar bills, took the brunt of the below Uh,

1032
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: I don't see how that would have happened. But if

1033
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: he was sitting on his wallet, had to hit him

1034
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: in the butt. Maybe it's a tiny maybe he has

1035
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: a big but I don't know. I don't know either.

1036
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: I would love this guy, So Brian says, as I

1037
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: have never made a hole in one, this still stands

1038
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: as my best shot I've ever had. And one might

1039
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: argue that, uh, it's even more difficulty. And that is Brian.

1040
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: He is a golf bro. Thanks Brian, and Northern Cali.

1041
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,919
Speaker 1: And he said to both of us, if we're ever

1042
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: out in Carmel and we want to a play golf,

1043
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: alright with a golf bro, we could do that. Or

1044
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: if we want to actually drive the picker, he would

1045
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: let us do that. I just rather play golf. I

1046
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: want to do both. Okay, well, shoot, let's do it.

1047
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Thanks a lot, Brian. That was also

1048
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: an excellent, well written email. If you if you ask me,

1049
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: it's great. Brian Sleeman. He's the head pro at the

1050
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: Preserve Golf Club. Is it basically John Cheever short story?

1051
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: Maybe uptick? I don't know one of the two. Uh,

1052
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: if you want to get in touch with me, and

1053
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: chuck and offer us something awesome like Brian did. You

1054
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: can go onto our website Stuff you Should Know dot com,

1055
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: find all the links to our social meds and catch

1056
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,760
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