1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: That we have come out to your. 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 2: Way. 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 3: I get false saying you a concocise. 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Will be desire. 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 3: Let tell. 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: And if you want a little banging again here and 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: come along. Think of how easy it would be to 8 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: be a damn Republican. Oh what should I wear today? 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: This stupid freaking red hat? 10 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 4: What should I say today? 11 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. Just make sure it's cruel. 12 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 5: Democratic ages have sued this dude forty four times, and 13 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 5: we'll assume him forty four more and forty four more 14 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 5: after that. 15 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 6: We could lose everything. We could lose our democracy, our 16 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 6: constitutional republic, all because. 17 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 3: Of one man. 18 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: Radom is back in style. 19 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 5: Welcome to that way. Have coming to your. 20 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: On the way, I get false and saying. 21 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 5: You a conscious cial. 22 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 3: Your Sean Hannity Show more, I'm the scenes information on 23 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 3: freaking news and more bold inspired solutions for America. Hey 24 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 3: if Peter Schweitzer four times number one New York Times 25 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 3: the best selling author I'm filling in for Sean today, 26 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 3: and my co pilot is Eric Eggers. 27 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: Eric, how are you while I work with a four 28 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: times best selling New York Times author? So I'm great. 29 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm really excited to be here. It's actually our eighth time, 30 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: I think, filling in for Sewn, otherwise known as the 31 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: O Show. And I guess they figured if you can 32 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: dodge a Rents, you can host the national radio show. 33 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: So here we are and excited to be doing this. 34 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: It's a weird day. It's a lot of hard stories 35 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: in the news and a lot of hypocrisy in terms 36 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: of the way people are talking about that, and so 37 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: that's one I think. I think we're excited to get 38 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: into you and talk about like, let's just be honest 39 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: and tell the country the truth about some of the 40 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: tough things we're dealing with. 41 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you're exactly right. We're We're going to talk 42 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: on several important topics today. We're gonna talk about the tragedy, 43 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 3: of course in Minneapolis and dig deep as to what's 44 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 3: actually going on there, what does it mean, how is 45 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: it being politicized. We're going to talk about justice, will 46 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 3: the powerful be held into account? And we're going to 47 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 3: talk about law and order. The National Guard deployed to Washington, 48 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: d C. And we've got a great lineup of guests 49 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: that are coming along. We have harm Meat Dylon coming 50 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 3: at the bottom of the hour. She's the Assistant Attorney 51 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 3: General for Civil Rights and the Department of Justice. Harmy 52 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: will join us. What I love about Harmat is she's 53 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: a fighter and she's smart. Sometimes you don't get both 54 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: of those qualities, but you have both of those with Harmony. 55 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 3: In the second hour, we've got Jay Collins, the Lieutenant 56 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: Governor of Florida, coming and he's going to talk about 57 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 3: illegal immigration. Yeah, flos being done on that. 58 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: Florida continues to lead on that front. He recently went 59 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: to California to bring back the illegal alien who was 60 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: driving a car that tragically results in the loss of 61 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: life of three Floridians. No, you're absolutely right. Our lineup 62 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: today is stacked with alpha's. We have a lawyer and 63 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: Harmey Dillon for their problement of justice. Jay Collins, a 64 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: former Green Beret, current lieutenant governor. We have a person 65 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: who owns a private firearms company in the five o'clock hour, 66 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: Josh Girard. 67 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 3: He actually is the former law enforcement officer who is 68 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 3: with Berna, which provides non lethal solutions. But he's going 69 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: to talk about his experiences in dealing with school shootings 70 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: and talk about really what's at work there. And then 71 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 3: at the bottom of the third hour. We have a legend. 72 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 3: We have Mike Singletary, the legendary linebacker from the NFL, 73 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 3: from the Chicago Bears, dub Bears, and he's going to 74 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: come and give us a more optimistic note because he 75 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: has an amazing story. But he's all about hard work, 76 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: about core values. We're going into the Labor Day weekend, 77 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: there's so much terrible news. Mike's going to give us 78 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: some optimism and some hope for the future based on 79 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: character and fundamental values. 80 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: So we have a lawyer, a Green beret, a guy 81 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: that owns a gun company, and a Hall of fam linebacker. 82 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. But we are tough today. 83 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: We are and we want you to join the conversation. 84 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: Right one eight hundred ninety four one one seven, three 85 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 3: two six and nine four one seven, three two six, 86 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 3: join the conversation. Uh, don't worry. Things are gonna go 87 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 3: fine because Linda is here. Linda is making sure that 88 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: everything's gonna run smoothly. Let's talk about Minneapolis. I have 89 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: children that are now all adults. You have younger children, horrifying. 90 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: I have a fifth grader who's literally hopefully getting off 91 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: the bus right now as we speak, and I empathize 92 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: and sympathize. It is every parent's worst nightmare to uh 93 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: to wonder why your child hasn't gotten off the bus yet, 94 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: or why they haven't come home, or to get that 95 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: phone call from school. Actually got one from my daughter's 96 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: school today. It turns out I was just about a 97 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: bloody nose and not about anything much much worse. But 98 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: that is not the phone call that other parents got yesterday, sadly, 99 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: tragically in Minnesota. And it is a tragedy. But what's 100 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: also sad and tragic and predictable, unfortunately, is the way 101 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: that people's personal tragedy becomes instantly politicized by the chattering 102 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: class in the media. Listen to this montage. You're gonna 103 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: hear three voices, and so you have a shooting. You 104 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: have a shooting by a shooter we now know who 105 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: belongs to a certain classification they identified as trans. But 106 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: that's not overly interesting. I'm not really that interesting to us. 107 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: I don't think it's interesting in the larger scope. But 108 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: it's interesting in the larger conversation we're having as a 109 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: country about how to make dangerous places safe. Right Listen 110 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: to your hear three voices. You canna hear MSNBC's Jensaki. 111 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: You're gonna hear Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry, and then you're 112 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: gonna hear MSNBC host Joe Scarborough. Listen to what they 113 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,799 Speaker 1: have to say. Listen what they had to say yesterday. 114 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: Here's what matters. 115 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: Today's shooter bought the rifle, handgun and shotgun. They used 116 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: to do what they did today. Legally, we live in 117 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: a country with more guns than people, where there are 118 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 2: not universal background checks, they're not bands on assault weapons, 119 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: and it is far too easy to buy a gun. 120 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: It's the guns everyone. It's not really a secret. 121 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 4: I'll speak generally, though. We have more guns in America 122 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 4: than people. I don't see a reason and why people 123 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 4: should be able to buy gun one month, and then 124 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 4: buy a gun the next month, and then the next 125 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 4: month after that. People who say that this is not 126 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 4: about guns, you got to be kidding me. This is 127 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 4: about guns. We do need to take action. 128 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 7: How many school shootings, how many shootings and churches? How 129 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 7: many shootings at concerts, how many shootings at country music concerts, 130 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 7: how many shootings in street fairs? How many shootings and restaurants. 131 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 7: How many shootings everywhere are we going to have before 132 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 7: we can talk about common sense gun safety laws. 133 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about common sense gun safety laws, particularly 134 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 3: protecting schools. Because you pointed this out to me. Private 135 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 3: schools in Minneapolis actually asked after the shooting was in Nashville. 136 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 3: I believe that they wanted special protection. They wanted additional 137 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 3: security at private schools, which certainly would applied to this 138 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 3: Catholic school. What did Governor Waltz say? 139 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: So, a cadre of Minneapolis bishops started lobbying for and 140 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: petitioning for funding to be able to have enhance security 141 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: measures in non public schools aka religious schools. This came 142 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: after there were shootings in twenty twenty two in Texas 143 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: and in twenty twenty three in Nashville. They wrote letters, 144 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: they begged Governor Tim Waltz, who ironically was selected by 145 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: Democrats to be vice president because he allegedly could appeal 146 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: to gun owners. But they're saying, hey, listen, we have 147 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: we think we're seeing a trend here. We're seeing these 148 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: religious institutions be targeted by people who might not be 149 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,679 Speaker 1: super friendly to these values. We'd liked some additional funding. 150 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: We like protection. The state at the time had a 151 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: seventeen billion dollar surplus. They said, we like some money 152 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: to help protect these schools. Tim Waltz did not call 153 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: a special session to pass the legislation. 154 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, here's the funny thing about this funny 155 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: in a six sort of way, is look at what 156 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 3: the actual shooter in Minneapolis said. Why did the shooter 157 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: pick this particular target. He picked this target for the 158 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: same reason that the vast majority of other shooters picked 159 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 3: their targets, because it was a gun free zone. This 160 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: is actually from the shooter's manifesto, and I quote. I 161 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: recently heard a rumor that James Holmes, the Aurora Theater shooter, 162 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:22,239 Speaker 3: remember the Aurora shooting incident in Colorado, may have chosen 163 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: venues that were gun free zones. I would probably aim 164 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: the same way to shoot on the run and maybe 165 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: change some minds. I understand why high security places like 166 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 3: prisons in airports are different, but for most public places, 167 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 3: the people are going to be unarmed. That's why I 168 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: and many others like schools so much. At least for me, 169 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 3: I am focused on them. Adam Lonza, one of the shooters, 170 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 3: is my reason. So This is why he picked it. 171 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: The gun control problem is not the existence of guns. 172 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 3: I mean, they said there are more guns in America 173 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 3: than there are people. I can tell you in my 174 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: neighborhood where I live, they're more guns and there are people. 175 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 3: And I contribute to that, but it's a very safe 176 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 3: neighborhood because guns don't pull their own triggers, right. The 177 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 3: problem is it's the culprit and they never want to 178 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 3: talk about the culprits. They never want to talk about 179 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 3: those factors, and they never want to highlight the fact 180 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 3: that the way you protect innocent people is with a 181 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 3: good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with 182 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 3: a gun. 183 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: Well, and listen to you know, Jensaki last night. I 184 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: watched Jensaki last night in America, so you didn't have to, 185 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: and so I came prepared to discuss this. She got 186 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: done after she did her whole you know monologue about 187 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: it's the guns, it's the guns, and then they talked 188 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: to it. She told a story about how after the 189 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: school shooting in Texas, everybody got together and they worked 190 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: to get some legislation passed. What do they pass meaningful 191 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: gun control legislation? So to me, the takeaway would be 192 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 1: that you can pass all the different laws you'd like to, 193 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: you're still not going to be able to stop bad 194 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: people with bad motives from doing bad things. And that 195 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: is a sad and tragic reality of American life. You 196 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: know who understands it's a sad, tragic reality of American life. Democrats, 197 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: And they actually understand it because they were They couldn't 198 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: stop saying it this week. But not about this issue, 199 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: but about a different issue, which to me is the 200 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: larger context of the conversation we should be having. Listen 201 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: to Jamie raskin Okay on CNN this week. Listen to 202 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: what he had to say about just the idea of 203 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: crime and bad things happening. 204 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: He's trying to militarize our society intimidate his political opponents. 205 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: The whole idea of picking cities based on their partisan 206 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 2: leadership is absurd. I mean, there are lots of Republican 207 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 2: cities in town struggling with crime. Everybody is across the 208 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 2: country always, crime has always been part of our history, 209 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: and yet crime is down in DC, for example, it's 210 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: at a thirty year low. It's down in Baltimore, it's 211 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: down in Chicago. 212 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the problem with that. We don't know what 213 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 3: the statistics are. Right. There's an investing right now in 214 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 3: the District of Columbia the fact that they were cooking 215 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: the books. In twenty twenty one, there was a guy 216 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 3: who worked in homicide in DC, worked in the homicide 217 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 3: unit for ten years, who said, literally, they were cooking 218 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 3: the books. In his lawsuit, he said people that died 219 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: with gunshot monds were classified as dying quote unquote accidentally. 220 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 3: They cook the books because they know how bad it 221 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 3: looks for them, and they know how bad it looks 222 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 3: for their approach to law enforcement. So the notion that, oh, 223 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 3: crime is better, we don't know that it's better. What 224 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 3: we do know is to put it into context. Washington, 225 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 3: d C, where Trump is deployed the National Guard, where 226 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 3: they're all concerned about the militarization of DC, actually had 227 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:50,479 Speaker 3: a murder rate higher than Bogota, Columbia, Mexico City, and Islamabad, Pakistan. 228 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 3: In other words, Washington, d C. Had a worse murder 229 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: rate than these third world countries, and the same would 230 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 3: apply to Baltimore and several other American cities. So intolerable level, 231 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 3: but they want us to tolerate it because they are 232 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: so committed to gun control they don't want to try 233 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 3: anything else. 234 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: That to me is the larger takeaway is we got 235 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: done being lectured by Democrats All week before the tragedy 236 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis, the big story was, Hey, we put federal 237 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: troops in Washington, d C. To try to bring down 238 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: the crime. And by the way, it's working right by 239 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: all accounts and metrics, and not the fake, fake news 240 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: numbers that they've been trying to sell to the American people, 241 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: but by all real numbers, crime in Washington, DC is 242 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: down because of the presence of the federal troops. So 243 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: now he said, all right, well, hey listen Chicago, listen Baltimore. 244 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: We might become a fee We might be doing the 245 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: same thing. Of course, people in Chicago, people in Baltimore said, hey, 246 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: are crime's down, You don't need to send anybody here. 247 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: And they said, well, we don't believe it, because what 248 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: you just said about the crime rates in Washington, d C. 249 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: Relative to those other cities around the world, like Bogaton, 250 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 1: is Lamabad, it's true for Chicago and Baltimore. True. So 251 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: but they were told, hey, look, crime is just a 252 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: part of life. Guys, there's not much you can do. 253 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: Accept it. Accept it. So why we're excited to talk 254 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: to har Meat Dillon with the Department of Justice at 255 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: three thirty is she's been one of the smartest people 256 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: out there about what mechanisms does the federal government have 257 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: to be able to, let's say, encourage municipalities and states 258 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: to receive federal assistance benevolently and happily, not like JB. 259 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: Pritzker going out there and trying to, you know, look 260 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: tough for the cameras. I think it's working in DC, 261 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: and it'll be interesting to see are these real threats 262 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: right that ken Donald Trump really get federal troops to 263 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: help stop crime in Chicago and Baltimore. And because what 264 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: we'll talk about in this how the break is it's 265 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: not just crime. It's crime that's affecting a certain part 266 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: of the community, and it's part of a much larger 267 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: problem we have in this country. We have a crime 268 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: problem in some of these cities, and we have a 269 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: police problem in these cities. 270 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 3: We have a police problem. And look, they don't they 271 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 3: say they don't want the National Guard deploy and I 272 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: think we all agree constitutionally, we can't deploy them. But JB. 273 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 3: Prisker had two hundred and fifty members of the Illinois 274 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 3: National Guard when the Democratic Convention was in Chicago. In Wisconsin, 275 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 3: they did the same thing seventeen hundred National Guard troops. 276 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 3: So they don't mind deploying them. They want to be 277 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 3: in charge and they only want to use them for 278 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 3: their purposes. 279 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: No, that's absolutely right. Well, we'd love to hear from you. 280 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: He's Peter Schweizer. I'm Eric Eggers. We host the podcast 281 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: called The Drill Down. You can hear all of our 282 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: episodes at the drill doown dot com. And we're going 283 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: to be having I think, just a very informative and 284 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: important conversation with all of you. Thanks for being a 285 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: part of it. We'll be right back on the other 286 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: side of this break. Hey, it's Eric Eggers and Peter 287 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: Schweitzer filling in for Sean Hannity. We do a podcast 288 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: called The Drill Down with Peter Schweitzer, which you can 289 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: find wherever you find podcasts. The cruel irony of what 290 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: happened this week is we had a tragedy in Minnesota. 291 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: Children lost their lives. A lot of other children are injured, 292 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: including some adults. And it's happened at a time when 293 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: we're attempting to have a very serious and real conversation 294 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: about law and order and how seriously do we take crime? 295 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: And the irony is is that we just got being 296 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: told by Democrats that not all crime really matters that much. 297 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: You heard Jamie raskin last segment say that it's always 298 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: been part of our history. And listen to what someone 299 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: at the DNC summer meeting just last week that after 300 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: they got done with their land acknowledgment, they then told 301 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: us this about crime. 302 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 6: Where does Trump go? Migrant crime, carjackings, the really lurid, 303 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 6: awful stuff that is a crazy, crazy visual. Don't take 304 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 6: the bait because most Americans are more worried about how 305 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 6: are we going to address mental health issues, the visible 306 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 6: homelessness that we see on streets, and how do we 307 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 6: deal with mental health and other issues that drive the 308 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 6: sort of random incidence that scare all of us. That's 309 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 6: what you should be talking about. That's where you should 310 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 6: be focused. Don't take the bait and talking about migrant 311 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 6: crime or carjackings or the things that actually don't matter 312 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 6: to that many Americans. 313 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 3: What happened to you today, honey, Oh, I had a carjacking. 314 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 3: It was a normal day. I mean, it's ridiculous, it's 315 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 3: totally ridiculous, and it's completely out of touch with the 316 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 3: reality of the way most people are living their lives. 317 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 3: And the reason is that a lot of the elites 318 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 3: that were attending that meeting, they live in secure buildings, 319 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 3: apartment buildings that have armed security. They live in secure apartments, 320 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 3: they work in secure buildings. They don't have to deal 321 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 3: with the normal street stuff that most people do. 322 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: And the reason why real people are having to deal 323 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: with more street stuff is because in cities like Chicago, 324 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: there is a police shortage of two thousand officers. Baltimore, 325 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: where they're threatening to send troops, has down five hundred. 326 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: New York City is already down troops or down police 327 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: officers so much they've had to lower the education requirements 328 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: from sixty hours of education to enter the academy down 329 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: to twenty four. So we have a police shortage because 330 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: of how we've talked about law enforcement the last five years. 331 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: And that's the conversation Donald Trump's trying to change. We'll 332 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: talk about that plus other issues that matter to you 333 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: with har Meat Dylan from the Department of Justice. On 334 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: the other side of this break, he's Peter Schweiser. Americ 335 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: Eggers back after this, Sean Hannity. Always concerned for our country, 336 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: always honoring our servicemen and service women, and standing up 337 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: for liberty every day. 338 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 3: Hey, it's Peter Schweizer, and that is Eric Eggers, and 339 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 3: we're filling in for Sean. Join the Conversation one eight 340 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 3: hundred nine four one seven three two six one header 341 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 3: nine four one seven three two six. Also, please subscribe 342 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 3: to our podcast, The drill Down. You can find out 343 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 3: more about the research we do at the drilldown dot com. 344 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 3: We also both work at the Government Accountability Institute. We 345 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 3: do a lot of investigative research. You might remember us 346 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 3: from Clinton Cash Exposing the Bidens. We have a new 347 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 3: research report that is being featured on zero Hedge that 348 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 3: you might want to check out. It's about Trump has 349 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 3: called for rico charges against George Soros. We're not lawyers, 350 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 3: we don't take an opinion on that, but we do 351 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 3: look at the money network that George Soros has established, 352 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 3: So check that out on zero Hedge. Joining us now 353 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 3: is Harmei Dylon. She is the assistant attorney Jennifer Civil 354 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,959 Speaker 3: Rights at the US Department of Justice. She is going 355 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 3: to talk to us about the President's initiatives and efforts 356 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 3: to deal with crime and RBS in America. We love 357 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 3: har Meat. She's tough and she's smart. Har Meat, thanks 358 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 3: so much for joining us. 359 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 5: Yes, thanks for having me so tell us. 360 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 3: We understand there are obvious constitutional issues. The president can't 361 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 3: send the National Guard wherever he wants. But clearly it 362 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 3: seems to me that that urban America would benefit from 363 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 3: what's going on in Washington, d C. Are there any 364 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 3: incentives or levers that can be pulled by the administration 365 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 3: to try to get some of these mayors to cooperate 366 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 3: and to deal with the massive crime problem that we're 367 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 3: facing in urban America today. 368 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 5: Well, you know, just about every state and locality is 369 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 5: on some form of federal welfare if you will, you know, 370 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 5: said regularly give out grants and actual equipment to local 371 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 5: law enforcement. And sure, I think you know, there's a 372 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 5: process that may have to be gone through, but ultimately 373 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 5: the federal government doesn't have to fund all of those things. 374 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 5: So that would be something to do, is to tie 375 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 5: your stability for this type of funding to certain basic 376 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 5: metrics of doing your job. You know, that might be 377 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 5: an idea, but ultimately that's sort of more policy than 378 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 5: what we do here at the DOJ. I mean, as 379 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 5: a tax gayer of the Great District of Columbia, I'm 380 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 5: saying that a little starcastically because I actually favorite place. 381 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 5: But it is safer here, and I think the majority 382 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 5: of DC residents other than a few wealthy white liberals, 383 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 5: are quite thrilled would be increased safety. I mean, the 384 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 5: mayors praising the federal government for hard work here and so. 385 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 5: But the president can do that directly in DC with 386 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 5: a stroke of a pen, and it is much more 387 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 5: complicated because you know, as conservatives, we believe in federalism, 388 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 5: and certainly policing and police power are quintessential local tasks. 389 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 3: So Harmond, I'm going to ask you to maybe play 390 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 3: psychologists here a little bit, just based on your experience 391 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 3: in California. I mean, you you lived in California for 392 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 3: a long time, You lived in the Bay Area. Why 393 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 3: is it that these urban political establishments don't seem to 394 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 3: care about widespread crime, They demoralize the police, they reject 395 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 3: offers to help them. Help me understand why that seems 396 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 3: to be their approach to this issue. 397 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, who lives in these big cities. 398 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 5: You know, it's usually sort of yepie types. You know, 399 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 5: they make the laws, they have liberal values that they 400 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 5: learned in college, and you know, those are the kind 401 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 5: of people congregating. And you take the coast of California 402 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 5: very expensive to live there, you literally actually be making 403 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 5: sort of a quarter million dollars or three hundred thousand 404 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 5: dollars or more and even break even living in one 405 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 5: of these cities and nice place. And so you know 406 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 5: who are the people are typically liberal politically, and then 407 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 5: you add to that the sort of black lives matters, activism, 408 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 5: the indoctrination of people in the schools and even workplaces 409 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 5: that white people are bad. And we have to atone 410 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 5: for the pastons of the founders of this country by 411 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 5: letting people come at crime. I mean, there's been straight 412 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,479 Speaker 5: faced defenses of looting as a form of reparations by 413 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 5: probably people a tenure in American universities. So that has 414 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 5: gone unchecked by any countervailing debate or balance, and we've 415 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 5: kind of seeded the universities and frankly corporate boards and 416 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 5: you know, corporate hr departments to the left, and some conservatives, 417 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 5: Chamber of Commerce types will be like, oh, you know, 418 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 5: companies can do whatever they want, that's capitalism, and these 419 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 5: universities can do whatever they want, that's the First Amendment. No, 420 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 5: all of this is being done with tax benefits that 421 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 5: are granted by the government, by actual grants in the 422 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 5: case of universities, from the federal government. And I think 423 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 5: we have a right to I think we have a 424 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,719 Speaker 5: human right literally the building block of society. Why does 425 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 5: society exist? Why do we need it as civilized sentient being. 426 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 5: It's for safety, so that we aren't stealing each other's 427 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 5: property and raping each other. That's like the basic concept 428 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 5: that predates, of course, our government. And yet we're failing 429 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 5: on that basic premise. Do you look at Europe. Europe 430 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 5: is failing on that basic premise. And I don't want 431 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 5: to see that happening. I want to see little girls 432 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 5: getting arrested for defending themselves here in the United States. 433 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 5: That is not America. 434 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: So you talk about safety being a civil right, and 435 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: you're obviously with the Civil Rights Division of the United 436 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: States Department of Justice, and I've heard you talk about 437 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: how in some issues the United States is willing to 438 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: leverage the fact that all these states and municipalities are 439 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: taking some money. Now you've mentioned it specifically in the 440 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,239 Speaker 1: area of transport, and I think you've said it's because, look, 441 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: we want to defend regular girls who want to play 442 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: and not have to be threatened by safety issues or 443 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: lack of competitive balance issues, things like that. What would 444 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: you say if someone who let's say someone was from 445 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: a civil rights organization in the city of Chicago and 446 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: they said, hey, miss Dylan, eighty black residents were eighty 447 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: times or twenty two times more likely to be shot 448 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: than their white counterparts. In Baltimore, eighty one percent of 449 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: victims of crimes were African American. In New York, they're 450 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: twenty four percent of the population, but they're sixty five 451 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: percent of the murders. We're seeing disproportionate impacts in terms 452 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: of the violence that are happenings in our cities. Can 453 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: it qualify? Could it qualify as a civil rights issue? 454 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: And can you use that plus the fact that these 455 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: dates are taking federal money as leverage or an excuse 456 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: to try to go and intervene. If you see these 457 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: mayors or states continue to be not excited about accepting 458 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: federal assistance. We understand the principle of local control, but 459 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: the federal government does intervene at other times. I mean, 460 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: could you use that as an excuse. 461 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's a little complicated, but let me break 462 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 5: it down a little bit. So we don't favor the 463 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 5: passive disperate impact theory of liability in discrimination cases. So 464 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 5: just because there's a different differential number, that doesn't prove 465 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 5: anything in our policy here in this government. However, if 466 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 5: one could establish that there is a pattern and practice, 467 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 5: and those words are a term of art in civil 468 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 5: rights litigation, if there is a pattern in practice of 469 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 5: policing in one of these cities that leads minority neighborhoods 470 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 5: and people more vulnerable because they simply don't allocate police 471 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 5: to those neighborhoods, or they've given up on those neighborhoods, 472 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 5: they've let no go zones occur in you know, largely 473 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 5: minority neighborhoods. That would be a civil rights violation. So 474 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 5: you know, someone needs to me that fact pattern, But 475 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 5: that would be a civil rights violation. So if that's happening, 476 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 5: you know, I'd love to learn that, you know, but 477 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 5: it's also true that there's less crime and wealthier areas, 478 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 5: So that doesn't necessarily think the numerical conclusions that you 479 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 5: came up with or recited don't lead inexorably to the 480 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 5: logical conclusion that there's a disparate policing policy. There can 481 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 5: be different outcomes based on you know, environmental circumstances. So 482 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 5: we have to see this. 483 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: I hear you, but I feel like we went from 484 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: have been on the radio to being in law school 485 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: class just now. Professor Dillon is like breaking it down 486 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: lots of theories and really a lot of syllables. But 487 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: I hear you, and I think that you I take 488 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: you at your word. We also want to ask you 489 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: about something that the president message about on his social 490 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: media platforms, because I know you've represented him in election 491 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: law cases before, and he said he wants to get 492 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: rid of mail in ballots or at least take a 493 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: look at that. What when you see something like that happen. 494 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: What's your perspective on that? And is that something that 495 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: seems like realistic. I don't know that you could actually 496 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: get rid of a methodology of voting in this country, 497 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: but could you also once again, like leverage the financial 498 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: incentives to encourage states to crack down and really make 499 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: sure their voter rules more accurate. What role could you 500 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: play in trying to make elections more secure? 501 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, the United States Department of Justice 502 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 5: Civil Rights Division is demanding voter le data from all 503 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 5: fifty states. That's happening excellent. Frankly, we're getting pushed back from, 504 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 5: you know, from some states. I won't say which because 505 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 5: I'm working on all of them, but you know that's 506 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 5: a top priority. And we have the right under the 507 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 5: nineteen sixty Civil Rights Act for the Attorney jumps to 508 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 5: demand this data. And we're demanding it, and we're getting 509 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 5: it from some states and some states we're fighting with, 510 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 5: but I intend to get it from. 511 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 4: All the states. 512 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 5: And what we're doing with that data is we're comparing 513 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 5: these voter roles with other states to ensure that there 514 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 5: are is duplication or other issues because elections in this country. 515 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 5: You hear the refrain from critics of this effort that, oh, 516 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 5: you know, fraud isn't widespread. Well, it doesn't have to 517 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 5: be widespread. Elections are won and lost by one vote 518 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 5: in this country, and every citizen is entitled to their 519 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 5: vote being counted equally and only with other citizens in 520 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 5: federal elections. And so, yes, we have a federal elections, 521 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 5: so the federal law do apply at a certain level. 522 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 5: I think Congress could update and write its laws better 523 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 5: because when the you know, federal civil rights statutes that 524 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 5: I administer were passed, there was no widespread mail in 525 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 5: voting and you know, automatic voter registration, like there's laws 526 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 5: that had that in place. But some of the aspects 527 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 5: of our laws are being routinely ignored by the states. 528 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 5: So I don't want to preview litigation that we're we 529 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 5: have in the opera, but there will be litigation on 530 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 5: some of these federal voting statutes, so you know, stay tuned. 531 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 5: And yes, Congress could absolutely get up it's behind and 532 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 5: write better laws, and they should because our tax dollars 533 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 5: are flowing to all of the states and localities to 534 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 5: support their federal elections, and what are we getting in 535 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 5: return a patchwork of dubious compliance and worse. So I 536 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 5: think we deserve better as taxpayers and as citizens. 537 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 3: So my question is also about dubious compliance, but that 538 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 3: comes to the work that you're doing to combat anti semitism. 539 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 3: You've had some great, i think success enforcing American universities 540 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 3: and some other institutions to address the issue, to get 541 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,239 Speaker 3: rid of certain policies, or at least seemingly get rid 542 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 3: of certain policies. How confident are you that these institutions 543 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 3: are actually going to live up to their promises and 544 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 3: how much do you think we should fear that they're 545 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 3: just kind of recategorize things in a way, rename things, 546 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 3: and continue with some of the same practices. 547 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 5: Well, the first big deal that we did is a 548 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 5: Columbia deal. I'm very proud of that. Hard to bring 549 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 5: that in and there was extensive negotiation over the terms, 550 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 5: and Columbia had a huge anti semitism problem. 551 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 3: And what we have in the. 552 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 5: Columbia situation is we have an internal monitor. You know, 553 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 5: we have a you know, we have we have we 554 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 5: have we have compliance requirements that these schools have to comple. 555 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 5: This school particularly has to comply with. There's dispute, robust 556 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 5: dispute resolution in it. There is they've hired a there 557 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 5: they've agreed to hire a officer for Jewish life on 558 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 5: the campus to be a kind of troubleshooter. Non buzzman 559 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 5: for Jewish employees and students. They made numerous changes before 560 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 5: we signed the deal, So there were numerous gating items 561 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 5: that they checked off before we came to the table 562 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 5: and signed the steal, including radically reforming their student discipline system, 563 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 5: really undercutting the power of the faculty in that process. 564 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 5: And these are all great reforms. And so at the 565 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 5: end of the day, however, they're the recipients of grants. 566 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 5: Nobody's entitled to these grants, you know, notwithstanding some silly 567 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 5: litigation we've seen from Harvard about their entitlement like some 568 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 5: kind of you know, you know, sort of vested interest. 569 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 5: It's not a vested interest. The United States can choose 570 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 5: not to renew those grants or give new grants, and 571 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 5: it will as long as this president or somebody with 572 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 5: his viewpoints are in office. I think there's going to 573 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 5: be a zero tolerance policy for the type of carnage, violence, 574 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 5: and widespread disregard for the civil rights of students and 575 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 5: faculty and other employees on these campuses. So if we 576 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 5: October seventh is coming up, if we see those types 577 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 5: of scenes at schools that we've done deals with, there'll 578 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 5: be a new conversation with those schools, so this will 579 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 5: not simply go un remarked. 580 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: Well, that's excellent to know. We'll be keeping tabs on that, 581 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: plus any future litigation that you said you have quote 582 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: unquote in the hopper, and we'll see how the conversation 583 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: evolves about how the administration encourages cities to take their 584 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: crime more seriously harm Meat Dylan with the Attorney General's Office. 585 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: She's the head of the Civil Rights Division. She's an 586 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: incredibly smart and aggressive attorney and we always learn things 587 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: from her. I'm glad we had you on at three 588 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: o'clock hour her meet because now I can just say 589 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: things that you said for the rest of the show 590 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: and act like their things I know, but instead of 591 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: things I learned from you this hour. But no, we 592 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: really appreciate your time and thank you for all the 593 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: work you're doing on behalf of all Americans the Department 594 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: of Justice. He's Peter Schweitzer, I'm Eric Eggers. This is 595 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: the Sean Handy Show. We're back right after this. 596 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 3: Peter Schweizer and Narrowdiggers were filling in for Sean joined 597 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 3: the conversation one in eight hundred ninet four one seven 598 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 3: two six. We've got a real badass that's coming on 599 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 3: next and you know him who's coming on? 600 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 7: Hey? 601 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: Thanks, yeah, I know I know you too, am I saying? 602 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: Hey Peter Schwizer. He is a real badass for an author. 603 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: But the guy we're gonna talk to you and the 604 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: other side of this break is Jay Collins. He's Lieutenant 605 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: governor of Florida. He's been called the Chuck Norris of politics. 606 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: And not like in that Sidekicks movie where he played 607 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: the Karate instrucle. This guy's like a real deal. You 608 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: can't wait to hear his story. He's the guy that 609 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: purp walked the illegal immigrant back from California. Hear his 610 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: story and how Florida is leading on crime. And this 611 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: had this break with Peter Schwartz, Americ eggers in Vershan 612 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: Handy talk to in just a second