Speaker 1: Welcome to the Sports Bubble, a production of I Heart
Speaker 1: Radio Entree Fork Media. My name is Jensen Carp and
Speaker 1: I'm a sports fan. And when there's no athletic competition
Speaker 1: on TV, well, you have to look to other outlets
Speaker 1: to quench your thirst. And a byproduct of this loss
Speaker 1: is my sudden engagement with the drama of online influencers
Speaker 1: and streaming celebrities. I know it's just gross, but somehow
Speaker 1: I've been sucked in. It's probably the boredom, whether it
Speaker 1: was following the NBA two K tournament, rooting on CrOx
Speaker 1: enthusiast Gavin Lux playing MLB the Show League, or somehow
Speaker 1: falling down the mainstream rabbit hole of YouTube drama. I
Speaker 1: am hooked. We're all gravitating towards our computers and phones
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, and I'm just thankful I have good WiFi.
Speaker 1: But can E sports and streaming actually maintain the attention
Speaker 1: it's grabbed during this low and actual sports? Will we
Speaker 1: all just live in that one Fred Savage movie The Wizard,
Speaker 1: where he competes to win a video game and people
Speaker 1: all over the world actually care about it. Or is
Speaker 1: this just another fleeting online craze like MySpace or Jeeves
Speaker 1: or Tila Tequila, and what the hell is going on
Speaker 1: with these band YouTubers. This episode, we dive in head
Speaker 1: first into a very shallow pool. First, I'll speak with
Speaker 1: the incredibly impressive Nadal Mama. I'm that man Nasser, the
Speaker 1: reigning m v P of the NBA two K League
Speaker 1: and its first individual player to sign an endorsement deal.
Speaker 1: We talk about why he's better than me at video games,
Speaker 1: the community of e sports, and he helps me pick
Speaker 1: a unique candle for my future online. Then, in a
Speaker 1: new installment of Pandemic, I talked to early YouTube pioneer
Speaker 1: Cassim g in hopes he can decipher the current controversies
Speaker 1: and questionable content costing creators millions of dollars in revenue.
Speaker 1: He also explains how he has a podcast with both
Speaker 1: kids from the Sopranos that has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the Sopranos. It's an Internet focused episode discussing one of
Speaker 1: the many outlets we've clung to during this very weird time.
Speaker 1: It's time to spark up your modem in the sports bubble.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to start off by asking you where
Speaker 1: you've been during this crazy time, especially during quarantine and
Speaker 1: with who. Um. So the last three months actually more
Speaker 1: like four months, I've been in Portland around February, and um,
Speaker 1: this is actually my first time being home. So I
Speaker 1: currently in San Bralo, California for the last couple of days.
Speaker 1: I'm going back to Portland tomorrow, quarantining for however long
Speaker 1: than even a quarantine for, and then getting back into
Speaker 1: finny things. Yeah. I guess that's the crazy part too.
Speaker 1: Like I before I did research on the two K
Speaker 1: League and talking to you, I would have never thought
Speaker 1: you'd actually have to move to the city that you're
Speaker 1: playing in. It's crazy. It's wild. Like when it all
Speaker 1: came to Fruition and I got drafted to Portland, I
Speaker 1: was shocked. I was like, I'm going to Portland. I'm
Speaker 1: from California, so it was just like mine. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was completely shocked. So um, But as you get
Speaker 1: customs to Portland and like the different cities that everyone
Speaker 1: goes to, it gets better as the time goes on. Sure,
Speaker 1: and you can technically play your game online anywhere. You
Speaker 1: could have stayed in California. But I think it's actually
Speaker 1: kind of cool that the NBA two K League has
Speaker 1: all the teams meet up in the city for which
Speaker 1: they play in, just like they're on an NBA team,
Speaker 1: and you guys all live together, right, Yeah, so we
Speaker 1: live in apartments of two, so will be me and
Speaker 1: my roommate, and there's three apartments. We all live basically
Speaker 1: on top of each other, so the fourth floor fifth
Speaker 1: forces for um see each other every day, which could
Speaker 1: get annoying after a while, but yeah, it's all good.
Speaker 1: And then you guys practice like in the morning. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing as like an NBA team that was
Speaker 1: put in like a hotel for a night. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we practice probably from eleven to five almost every day,
Speaker 1: except like Sundays or game days, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: So how much of your professional life changes because of quarantine,
Speaker 1: Like what what actually differs during the pandemic. I would
Speaker 1: say the biggest thing that differentiates throughout the whole season
Speaker 1: is that we can't fly to New York. So flying
Speaker 1: New York kind of gives you that two K League feeling,
Speaker 1: where like, I'm in the league and this is my profession.
Speaker 1: We fly every week, So we're flying from Portland to
Speaker 1: New York every week to play a forty five to
Speaker 1: fifty minute game in front of fans and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And that's really where we thrive is in part of
Speaker 1: people entertaining while playing, and that's kind of where our
Speaker 1: market is. So even though the teams are in each
Speaker 1: of the cities for which you guys play with, the
Speaker 1: games take place once a week in New York, once
Speaker 1: a week, well multiple days throughout the week, but in
Speaker 1: New York, so Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, but we all
Speaker 1: come in at different times to go play that game.
Speaker 1: That is pretty intense that they have. You moved to
Speaker 1: the same city just to fly to New York, which
Speaker 1: is not your hometown, and now you're living not in
Speaker 1: your hometown, but if you want to see your family,
Speaker 1: you have to go to your hometown exactly. And then
Speaker 1: also on top of everything, just the flights, like we
Speaker 1: we fly six hours, so imagine flying on Monday, we
Speaker 1: have a game on Wednesday, we fly on Monday six
Speaker 1: hour in New York. We fly back on Thursdays another
Speaker 1: six hours back Portland. So it's kind of head every
Speaker 1: single week. But you've got to get used to it.
Speaker 1: I would have never thought that it's like you guys
Speaker 1: play online, you would think you'd reap the benefits. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not at all. Well, playing in person is more beneficial
Speaker 1: than playing online because it's just like it's that intense
Speaker 1: eye to I feeling compared to online where your comb
Speaker 1: in your own house. Well, especially for you, who you
Speaker 1: kind of trash talk, you're a little more animated than
Speaker 1: the rest of the league. Let's get into how you
Speaker 1: got into video games. When did it start? Um? It
Speaker 1: started when I was probably in third fourth grade. I
Speaker 1: asked my dad for PS two and he was all
Speaker 1: about school, school, school, you know, as long as you
Speaker 1: have this sort of g p A or whether it'd
Speaker 1: be all get it for you. So I'm playing that GP.
Speaker 1: I got to PS two and it was Love of
Speaker 1: First Sight. From then I was playing Call of Duty, Madden,
Speaker 1: all sports games. Um. I didn't get into two K
Speaker 1: until two thousand and eleven. Two thousand and ten, Kobe
Speaker 1: was on the cover. I was around public thirteen fourteen
Speaker 1: and I got that three point five, I got the Xbox,
Speaker 1: I got the game, and from there it was over.
Speaker 1: So how did you know you were good? Like? Because
Speaker 1: I feel like I was good at a couple of
Speaker 1: games back in the NS days, but I didn't know
Speaker 1: if I would compete nationally, Like how does it go
Speaker 1: from just being a dude who got into k like
Speaker 1: basketball in real life and now you're competitively in the top.
Speaker 1: So funny story. I was just it was in high
Speaker 1: school and all my friends would want to play, you know,
Speaker 1: and my close friends knew how much I loved the game,
Speaker 1: and they knew that through my whole life, I've always
Speaker 1: played the GA and I was good at it, but
Speaker 1: I never really played in front of them. So it
Speaker 1: was the first time I played in front of them,
Speaker 1: and I was knocking each person down twenty thirty five
Speaker 1: and people are like, oh no, now we want to
Speaker 1: start gambling because they thought that it was all flutes.
Speaker 1: So these people threw about my school my close friends
Speaker 1: just twenty bucks, thirty bucks, and every game wouldn't be close.
Speaker 1: And I got to a certain point where I felt
Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna play anymore because I know that
Speaker 1: you know I'm gonna win. And there was one weekend
Speaker 1: we went to Tahoe and we played for like seven
Speaker 1: hundred dollars and I swept through everybody in Tahoe. It
Speaker 1: was like five six people and they were all like stunned.
Speaker 1: And at that point I was like, Okay, I know
Speaker 1: I'm good at this, and I say I started playing
Speaker 1: competitively online, dying and day out, met everybody in the
Speaker 1: community and from there on. Yeah, and like your dad,
Speaker 1: who had a bit of an issue even buying you
Speaker 1: the Xbox, now you have to explain to him it's
Speaker 1: what you want to do for a living, because I
Speaker 1: know you went to like San Francisco State or something, right,
Speaker 1: and this was the decision you were going to make. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my dad was never really big on it. You know,
Speaker 1: if I got a bad grade in school with the Xbox,
Speaker 1: would be out of my room that night. Yeah, for
Speaker 1: good reason, for a good reason. And at the time
Speaker 1: I understand it, right. Yeah, So when it all came
Speaker 1: together and I got drafted up on and it was
Speaker 1: kind of like I told you so, like I knew
Speaker 1: this is gonna happen, even though I really didn't. But
Speaker 1: it was always kind of like a sixth sense. And
Speaker 1: so now he loves that. He supports all time shows,
Speaker 1: all his friends and all that good stuff. So it's awesome.
Speaker 1: Well do you want to talk about that drafting? So
Speaker 1: you are the reigning m v P of the NBA
Speaker 1: two K League. We'll get into the history you've made
Speaker 1: during this pandemic as well. But first, you were drafted
Speaker 1: in the second round. What am I missing? Did you
Speaker 1: get better? Did people underestimate you? I think it was
Speaker 1: more underestimated me. So I came into the community and
Speaker 1: I used to play a different mode than proem. So
Speaker 1: the poem is the mode that we play in the
Speaker 1: league build. That's what the mode is called retail version.
Speaker 1: So I would play team up, which is a whole
Speaker 1: different side of the game, and so many people knew me,
Speaker 1: but people didn't really know me like this when I
Speaker 1: came into community. Of course, you're gonna have dollters and
Speaker 1: people that say, oh, he's not good enough, he's just
Speaker 1: doing this, he's just doing that. And I wasn't playing
Speaker 1: my original position, point guard when I came into that
Speaker 1: mode where everyone had their eyes on and so I
Speaker 1: was playing power forward small forward, just jumping around, just
Speaker 1: trying to fit in BUI. The goal was to get
Speaker 1: in and so it was crazy that when the combine
Speaker 1: came around, I had to make a decision. It was
Speaker 1: either I stuck with what got me here, which was
Speaker 1: power forward small forward, or I went with my gut,
Speaker 1: which was point guard, and I took that risk, and
Speaker 1: I told myself, if I'm gonna gets the big stage,
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna be who I am and have my
Speaker 1: game attacking all that good stuff, I want to play
Speaker 1: point guard. And that's that's who I've always been. I've
Speaker 1: always liked to be a leader on and off the floor,
Speaker 1: and so this is what I was destined to do.
Speaker 1: And so I showed up in the combine dominated throughout.
Speaker 1: And so since I played point guard instead of my
Speaker 1: other positions, I felt like I kind of slipped about
Speaker 1: the draft, and so I ended up on Portland's. And
Speaker 1: what is explained to me the difference between retail and
Speaker 1: what you play in the league. So if I buy
Speaker 1: the game, which I did, and I played at home,
Speaker 1: what is the difference is I'm looking at that the
Speaker 1: one you do professionally, the one professionally. So on retail
Speaker 1: you can get you my player to nine. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: What is overall is you can go ahead and play um.
Speaker 1: So the mechanics on retail, or the sliders are on
Speaker 1: All Star, or I believe on retail, so it's easier
Speaker 1: to make shots. It's easier to make passes, it's easier
Speaker 1: to make retos. Everything is easier on the retailer version.
Speaker 1: When you get into the league, the league build is
Speaker 1: much harder to score, much harder to defend, much harder
Speaker 1: to move, much harder to shoot. And all our players
Speaker 1: are captured at ninety two overall. So instead of you
Speaker 1: having all these moves that you would have in retailer,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't. You'd have a set of moves because you're
Speaker 1: ninety two and you have to differentiate yourself throughout the pack. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Where did you get this online handle? Mama,
Speaker 1: I'm that man. So, you know, watching the Warriors and
Speaker 1: all that good stuff. Living in Sancisco. Mark Jackson came
Speaker 1: to our team. He was our head coach for a
Speaker 1: year or two, whatever the case may be. And I
Speaker 1: love Mark Jackson just the way he commentates and all
Speaker 1: that good stuff. And he has so many cash phrases,
Speaker 1: and one of them was, Mama, there goes then man
Speaker 1: when it's a big time fourth quarter shot or big
Speaker 1: time shots in general. And so I would always look
Speaker 1: at that and just kind of click like, Mama, I'm
Speaker 1: that man. And I've always loved like fourth quarter moments
Speaker 1: like give me the ball, move on my way, and
Speaker 1: let me do my thing. And so that's where I
Speaker 1: kind of came into where that's what happened. Listen, that's
Speaker 1: that's a big country usion by Mark Jackson and Golden State,
Speaker 1: considering wasn't there long, okay quarantine During it, approximately one
Speaker 1: point seven million new players flocked to NBA two K,
Speaker 1: bringing the total players up to ten point three million.
Speaker 1: Without sports in our lives. Clearly people got into PlayStation
Speaker 1: and NBA two K in general. Did you expect so
Speaker 1: many people to pick up a controller because sports was missing?
Speaker 1: I did, but I didn't. I feel like there's always
Speaker 1: been a stigma where video games just kind of just
Speaker 1: pushed the side, and the sports in general, especially at sports,
Speaker 1: kind of pushed this side. So I never thought it
Speaker 1: would give us a real chance. But I feel like
Speaker 1: once we got on ESPN two, we're going on YouTube, Twitch,
Speaker 1: all those platforms, and this was happening. Unfortunately, everyone had
Speaker 1: nothing to do but watch us, and so when they
Speaker 1: started to watch us, I feel like we've gained more
Speaker 1: fans than we've gained the last two years. Um. I
Speaker 1: feel like the league is growing and it's only out
Speaker 1: from here. Yeah. And and during it, NBA stars competed
Speaker 1: against each other. Did you get to watch the Players
Speaker 1: League at all? I get to Well, I watched a
Speaker 1: little bit of it, not too much because I was
Speaker 1: focused on my season, But I did watch a little
Speaker 1: bit of it. Could Devin Booker hang? He won the
Speaker 1: whole tournament? Could he be an e sports bro? We
Speaker 1: talked to Ronnie Took about it. He wasn't sure. What
Speaker 1: do you think, man, To be honest, I think there's
Speaker 1: no chance. I think just think he's too busy. Well, no,
Speaker 1: I mean skills wise. Let's say let's say he let's
Speaker 1: say the league doesn't come together. Everyone's nervous about what's
Speaker 1: going on right now. Let's say he's not busy, he's
Speaker 1: just sitting at home. Could he join the sports League?
Speaker 1: He would have to show me before I give him
Speaker 1: that pass. I can't just give him the past because
Speaker 1: I've worked too hard to get that pass. I can't
Speaker 1: call back. Yeah, you'd make it so as of right now,
Speaker 1: in no way, no chance. But you were surprised. You
Speaker 1: were surprised by how good he was. I was definitely surprised.
Speaker 1: He played really well. Yeah, all right, you scored. I
Speaker 1: have to get this straight because I tried to figure
Speaker 1: it out by research. You scored seventies seven points against
Speaker 1: the Bucks team in NBA two K in a league play.
Speaker 1: I read that there's a controversy about this game because
Speaker 1: they played kind of cheap. Back in my day, if
Speaker 1: you played Street Fighter two and someone was Blanca and
Speaker 1: just repeatedly kept doing the electricity move, that was like
Speaker 1: cheap play. That's what I'm getting out of what the
Speaker 1: Bucks did you in the fourth quarter. Yeah, So what
Speaker 1: happened was the first quarter I scored thirty one, and
Speaker 1: it was just and I'm Blinka and I I didn't
Speaker 1: realize it, and by half my had like fifty and
Speaker 1: I was like sixteen for seventeen and I was only
Speaker 1: the only reason I even slowed down my pace in
Speaker 1: the second quarter was just because I wanted to shoot
Speaker 1: a perfect percentage of the whole game. And so my
Speaker 1: teammates were like, no, no no, go for the record, go
Speaker 1: for the record and the records. But like it's like
Speaker 1: early eighties, right, the records eight four, the records eighty four,
Speaker 1: and it was the first season and it was in
Speaker 1: double overtime, so you know, he had much more time
Speaker 1: in me, and so when that third quarter came, I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I'm going for the record. And at
Speaker 1: the end of the third I had like seventy points,
Speaker 1: and going into the fourth the Bucks didn't break the record.
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, I felt like it would have benefited
Speaker 1: both of us. Not only do I get the record,
Speaker 1: but the league grows because everyone's gonna get eyes that
Speaker 1: I broke the record. But that's near here or there.
Speaker 1: And we get into the full quarter and they hold
Speaker 1: the ball for the whole four seconds when you get
Speaker 1: the ball, and then when I get on offense, they
Speaker 1: were putting all five guys on me not alignment to score.
Speaker 1: So I tried. And I could have prolonged the game
Speaker 1: and gave myself every opportunity, but I didn't want to
Speaker 1: drain my teammate. Looking back on it, I kind of
Speaker 1: wish I did pull along the game, but it was
Speaker 1: the best three and it was the first game, so
Speaker 1: I didn't want to lose the series. The win was
Speaker 1: more important to me. Um, but yeah it was. It
Speaker 1: was cheap played for sure. So explain to me why
Speaker 1: you're better than me. Okay, so you you clearly know
Speaker 1: when to shoot the ball in the game, you your
Speaker 1: your release of the button. All of those things play
Speaker 1: into it, right, Like what else can I chalk up
Speaker 1: to you being this much better than me. My biggest
Speaker 1: advice to people just trying to get into it and
Speaker 1: get better at the game is mindset going into each
Speaker 1: game out smarting your opponent. A lot of two K
Speaker 1: is easy to master. And I say easy as in
Speaker 1: the controls are right in front of you. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not rocket science. They're gonna give you exactly what
Speaker 1: you can do. But the point is just to put
Speaker 1: it together and outplay your opponent. So if he goes left,
Speaker 1: I'm going right. If he's shading me right, I'm going left.
Speaker 1: You know. If I'm going to paint, I'm pump taking
Speaker 1: the first time, but the second time coming down, I'm
Speaker 1: going straight up. Kind of playing my games throughout the
Speaker 1: whole game. And that way people can't read what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do. You're not predictable and you can go from there.
Speaker 1: Do you ever jump on the retail just to screw
Speaker 1: people over? Sometimes I get in the plug just to
Speaker 1: play with people or just to dominate them, and they
Speaker 1: send a message like you're not even that good? Or
Speaker 1: who are you all that? Even though I'll be I'll
Speaker 1: be front and center on the park like they have
Speaker 1: like an advertisement right now. I'll be front and center
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, oh, who are you not that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's I love that all right. So you became the
Speaker 1: first NBA two K player in the league to get
Speaker 1: an endorsement, signing with Point three. Did you ever imagine
Speaker 1: this could happen in college convincing your father this is
Speaker 1: a job, and now you have an endorsement? No chance,
Speaker 1: no chance? What is it? So tell people what point
Speaker 1: three is? So point three is a sports clothing brand.
Speaker 1: It's more for basketball, and so we have this technology
Speaker 1: dry technology, and so it's on our shorts mainly. And
Speaker 1: so what happens there is that if your hands get sweaty,
Speaker 1: or your garden somebody that's sweaty, you don't wanna you
Speaker 1: don't want to mess up with the ball in your hand.
Speaker 1: For the most point, where does this real life basketball here?
Speaker 1: Its not video games? And so the patent and technology
Speaker 1: on the hip of the shorts allows you to swipe down.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like some sort of a towel in
Speaker 1: a sense. You can swipe down and release all that
Speaker 1: swept in hand and get right back into game. So
Speaker 1: for me, it's after those long competitive hours, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes my hands get a little bit moist or just
Speaker 1: people's hands get moist throughout the day. And so they're
Speaker 1: my new shorts. I wear them everywhere and anywhere. Um
Speaker 1: And so that technology is awesome and as time goes on,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be rolling out more and more and it's
Speaker 1: only up. It's great man, all right. Question and this
Speaker 1: is a new be kind of question. Can you sell
Speaker 1: an endorsement for your player in the game, Like can
Speaker 1: your player have a certain shirt on? Can they have
Speaker 1: a certain shoe? Could you sign with Nike? But you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like are they ever thinking about
Speaker 1: that stuff about your kind of like your avatar per
Speaker 1: se within the two K league or on the version
Speaker 1: I mean either one really, So right now we have
Speaker 1: endorsement with Champion as a whole the whole league has
Speaker 1: endorsement champions. The Champion has all their clothing when it
Speaker 1: comes to the two K League. But outside of the
Speaker 1: two K League, like my personal um endorsement, I wear
Speaker 1: a point three almost everywhere I go, But in two
Speaker 1: K weeks itself as champion got it very cool. So
Speaker 1: obviously things have been easy, uh in this world, whether
Speaker 1: it's the pandemic or the racial injustices that we're seeing.
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you about how NBA two
Speaker 1: K for some reason, NBA in general, but NBA two
Speaker 1: K has a very strange pulse on society right like
Speaker 1: even within kind of like the hype beast world. Whenever
Speaker 1: something happens in NBA two K, it's front page. Maybe
Speaker 1: Madden gets front cover, you know, oh who's on the
Speaker 1: front cover whatever, But NBA two K had I remember
Speaker 1: they had signs that said, you know, wash your hands
Speaker 1: things during the pandemic that they added in the game.
Speaker 1: On top of that, players recently were given the chance
Speaker 1: to wear Black Lives Matter shirts and there was a
Speaker 1: protest set up in the playground. Why does it seem
Speaker 1: that this game has their ear to the street or
Speaker 1: finger on the pulse or whatever it is more than
Speaker 1: other video games. I think it's because it's global. I
Speaker 1: think that our audience ranges from the United States, China,
Speaker 1: everywhere in between. Um and also our community is really different.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you'll get the part of the community
Speaker 1: that's toxic and you don't want to be a part
Speaker 1: of it, and you kind of want to stay away
Speaker 1: from it. But then the other part, like you said,
Speaker 1: when it comes to the Black Lives Matter movement or
Speaker 1: and all that good stuff, you want to be a
Speaker 1: part of it. You're you're proud to be a part
Speaker 1: of it, and you want to get involved. So it's
Speaker 1: it's just weird blacking too. Good is a good job
Speaker 1: at attacking what's in front of us and attacking what's
Speaker 1: going on in the world and always addressing just like
Speaker 1: when Kobe unfortunately passed, it was automatically r I P. Kobe.
Speaker 1: They put up, paid their condoles, is all that good stuff,
Speaker 1: and that makes you appreciate the game more than they
Speaker 1: can actually imagine. Absolutely. With sports slowly returning, there's a
Speaker 1: rumor going around that a lot of the leagues are
Speaker 1: going to use video game noise in the television broadcast.
Speaker 1: And then there's some people saying that even in the stadium,
Speaker 1: you're gonna hear like NBA two K kind of style yelling,
Speaker 1: and that's how you're gonna get sort of the energy
Speaker 1: of the crowd. You are always around that when you're
Speaker 1: at least not in front of people in New York City?
Speaker 1: Is this going to make people excited? Do you get
Speaker 1: excited when you're playing and you hear fake applause when
Speaker 1: there's a big play or a big moment, the crowd
Speaker 1: in your ears saying my heads it It actually gets
Speaker 1: you Ajnaline pumping a little bit. And it's weird because
Speaker 1: you'd be like using a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: players in the league turn it off, turning the audience.
Speaker 1: All the crowd moise off because they want to focus
Speaker 1: in on the game. But for me, I leave it
Speaker 1: on just for the shot clock. And when I started
Speaker 1: to get going, like when I was scoring seventy seven,
Speaker 1: the crowd would not stop cheering in my ear. And
Speaker 1: so at that point it's kind of just like I
Speaker 1: gotta keep going. This feeling is like I gotta keep going.
Speaker 1: So um, hopefully, hopefully it comes out to where we
Speaker 1: wanted to be and when the NBA picks backup will
Speaker 1: be awesome. Who do you Who do you play with?
Speaker 1: If you're on retail, you know, on quick Match, I'll
Speaker 1: play with the Warriors, uh of course. But if I'm
Speaker 1: playing you're talking about problem or just in quick matches.
Speaker 1: So I mean, if it's not you, if you're not
Speaker 1: playing as yourself. Oh, if I'm not playing myself, it
Speaker 1: just it ranges. It actually matters what team my opponent picks.
Speaker 1: I usually let them pick first because I'll give them
Speaker 1: the advance like they picked the Bucks. I can't pick
Speaker 1: the Warriors without Steph Clay and all those guys. But
Speaker 1: if Stephen Clay only getting on picking the Warriors every time?
Speaker 1: All right, all right, I need to handle. Okay, no
Speaker 1: one knows the game of NBA two k better than you.
Speaker 1: I have never picked my own handle. You have arguably
Speaker 1: the best, maybe in video game history. You are that
Speaker 1: he hate me of NBA two k uh. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to throw some possibilities at you. You help me
Speaker 1: choose from these, uh four possibles. Let's do it, all right? First,
Speaker 1: your handle is a nod to the Bay Area. Clearly,
Speaker 1: people have to know Mark Jackson was the coach, and
Speaker 1: he announces and he's a warrior kind of at heart.
Speaker 1: I want to stay in the region. I want to
Speaker 1: give a nod to the sitcom full house, and I
Speaker 1: want my name to be cut it out, big letters,
Speaker 1: see ut it out? Okay, all right. That's the first one.
Speaker 1: Not great, Okay, second one. I wanted to reflect that
Speaker 1: I'm a forty year old man playing this game that's
Speaker 1: mostly reserved for teens in early twenties. I want my
Speaker 1: name to be I am a narc Okaya. That one
Speaker 1: might that one might be controversial. Just imagine me walking
Speaker 1: through the playground, but above me, it says, I am
Speaker 1: a nark. Okay. I want people to start playing against me,
Speaker 1: and I want them to assume that I'm bad. I
Speaker 1: want them to a lower expectation so that even if
Speaker 1: I score two in a game, they're like, wow, he
Speaker 1: was better than I thought. So I thought about the
Speaker 1: name James Dolan, the owner of the Knicks. That's an
Speaker 1: interesting one. Are you from New York? I mean no,
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm a Knicks. I mean we're all Knicks
Speaker 1: fans in a sense that we like have to watch
Speaker 1: what's going on, like you have to see. I mean
Speaker 1: I was gonna say his band name, but I don't
Speaker 1: even know his band name. All right, Okay, so James
Speaker 1: Dolan cut it out and I'm an arm all right.
Speaker 1: Last one to play on one of my favorite NBA stars, Right,
Speaker 1: it's just off his name from the New York New
Speaker 1: Orleans Pelicans. I want to be jew Holiday instead of
Speaker 1: Drew Holiday. Okay, that's a good one. Jew Holiday. That
Speaker 1: kind of speaks to yourself. Yes, it gives your perspective
Speaker 1: of who you like. Well, you said you're a Knicks fan.
Speaker 1: The Clippers die hard, but I'm a Knicks fan in
Speaker 1: the same way that I like watch Jerry Springer as
Speaker 1: a kid, like you can't look away. Yeah, okay, so
Speaker 1: the only well, the only problem is that Drews and
Speaker 1: the Pelicans, right, and so you kind of like be like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, Pelicans fan. But the name you speak to yourself,
Speaker 1: I think the most important thing in the game. Take it,
Speaker 1: speak to yourself. So I like cut it out, because
Speaker 1: cut it out. It's like just a basketball, Like just
Speaker 1: cut it out, Like just stop it so you can
Speaker 1: take it. It's like, you can't guard me, You're not
Speaker 1: better than me. There's a lot of things there that
Speaker 1: I like about it. But the jew Holiday speaks to yourself.
Speaker 1: It kind of gives you one of your favorite players
Speaker 1: if he is hopefully yeah, and you can go from there.
Speaker 1: So I would go from one of those two. I'm
Speaker 1: an arc it's not okay. It it might speak most
Speaker 1: to my actual personality, but yes, I agree with you,
Speaker 1: it's probably too much. Well, dude, thank you for talking
Speaker 1: to me. I'm excited to see you to take over
Speaker 1: the league in a sense that I can't watch real
Speaker 1: basketball yet. So i'm i'm, i'm, I've listened. I've watched
Speaker 1: more NBA two Kids than I've ever watched. I'm happy
Speaker 1: to be there and happy to have spoken to you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, man, Thank you so much for having
Speaker 1: me after this. In our latest pandemic installment, I check
Speaker 1: in with Cass MG, comedian and co host of Pajama
Speaker 1: Pants podcast to hear all about the drama happening with
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Speaker 1: with cass MG from to accept Press one. Cassim, I
Speaker 1: feel like you are a bit of a translated for
Speaker 1: me in this case, if that's okay. I feel like
Speaker 1: a very old in this situation, very unhip narc trying
Speaker 1: to figure out the drama that is twitch and YouTube
Speaker 1: in the past few weeks. Yeah. Look, I take no
Speaker 1: joy in being this translator. I'm gonna be thirty seven
Speaker 1: this year, so um, I'm doing this purely just to
Speaker 1: help another old man out. Thank you. Um. I feel
Speaker 1: like we've got to look out for each other, but
Speaker 1: I don't take any pride knowing what I know and
Speaker 1: what I'm about to share. Well, your grandfather, then that's fine.
Speaker 1: W When did you start with your own YouTube channel?
Speaker 1: You were part of the early adopters. Yeah, I was early.
Speaker 1: I started in like two thousand and seven, and you know,
Speaker 1: I was like twenty three at the time. So YouTube
Speaker 1: is a very different places, you know, not a lot
Speaker 1: of people on it, and it was kind of I'd say,
Speaker 1: it was easier to make a name for yourself back then.
Speaker 1: And um, essentially could be you know, partly my fault
Speaker 1: of why why all these people are on there now
Speaker 1: and all the drama and and the logan and Jake
Speaker 1: Paul's of the world, could could be my doing that
Speaker 1: I think about it. Here's the thing, like, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: I remember the early rush of YouTubers, right, so I
Speaker 1: remember a handful of you guys, and I remember sort
Speaker 1: of being told that people like Hannah Heart you were
Speaker 1: the actual talented ones. It was like almost like someone
Speaker 1: had sort of like siphon and I had to figure
Speaker 1: out which ones were good. And then I saw you
Speaker 1: when I worked at Josh. You did the famous Norm
Speaker 1: McDonald pregame interview which should go into the Recording Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame where Norm McDonald shows up to interview YouTubers
Speaker 1: with you guys, and you understood the joke. Jenny Slate
Speaker 1: understood the joke. But that made me a cassum Gee
Speaker 1: fan immediately. Oh well, I appreciate that, you know, it was, um,
Speaker 1: you know, and I appreciate all the kind words you said.
Speaker 1: I think getting to the point where I was able
Speaker 1: to work with Norm and like Norm was so great
Speaker 1: that day as well as the day I'll never forget
Speaker 1: because we were all told to dress up. Norm shows
Speaker 1: up in sweatpants and like, I think it was like
Speaker 1: a U C L A sweatshirt and a six sneakers
Speaker 1: on and uh, he didn't give a fuck. And I
Speaker 1: thought it was so great. And to have somebody at
Speaker 1: his caliber roasting YouTubers people that I knew was such
Speaker 1: a joy. I don't know why. Um, you know, people
Speaker 1: would would ask me if I was offended or I
Speaker 1: was like no, what a what a what a true
Speaker 1: honor it was to have a legend like Norm McDonald
Speaker 1: um saying the names of people that were famous on
Speaker 1: the internet but nowhere else. I think that was it
Speaker 1: was a real treat. Well, you know, I say this
Speaker 1: to to move forward in a sense that I put
Speaker 1: you in sort of the upper echelon, able to decipher
Speaker 1: what's going on. What has happened to YouTube and streaming
Speaker 1: since those early days, since those pioneering days, just explained
Speaker 1: to me how we've gotten stupider. Yeah. Um, well, it's
Speaker 1: a great question, and it's one I you know, I
Speaker 1: try and think about. And it seems to me that
Speaker 1: it seemed so easy to do what we did. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it was hard hard work. It was.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of hard work. But I think
Speaker 1: when people saw because let's face it, on early YouTube,
Speaker 1: there was it wasn't necessarily quality that rose to the top.
Speaker 1: It was consistency. And if you were consistent, people, um
Speaker 1: were attached and they developed a sort of relationship with
Speaker 1: people on YouTube, and that's what allowed people to rise.
Speaker 1: And I think people that were savvy were able to
Speaker 1: see that and it was one of those things where
Speaker 1: you go, oh, I could do that. And so you
Speaker 1: had this influx of thousands and thousands of people who
Speaker 1: saw how much money people were making on YouTube and
Speaker 1: decided they would do it for themselves. And with that
Speaker 1: influx comes a lot of talented people, and then it
Speaker 1: comes there comes some untalented people, and um, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get the good with the bad. But that's what happened.
Speaker 1: There was a huge surge of people now doing what
Speaker 1: you know, we thought we were kind of just like
Speaker 1: screwing around with the daily vlogging and sketches on YouTube
Speaker 1: and just talking to camera. Now there's all these different
Speaker 1: types of formats, and you also saw a development of
Speaker 1: like live streaming become a huge part of this too,
Speaker 1: and sites like Twitch, which we're taking advantage of an
Speaker 1: area of the market that YouTube wasn't paying attention to,
Speaker 1: which was people going live. In the moment, talking to
Speaker 1: a chat and online engagement is everything. If you talk
Speaker 1: to your viewers, and as a viewer, you're being talked
Speaker 1: to by somebody that you you enjoy, that makes everything different.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a different relationship you have than if
Speaker 1: you were, UM watching Breaking Bad and you know, I
Speaker 1: love Brian Cranston, but I don't get to talk to
Speaker 1: Brian Cranston in a chat while I'm watching Brian Cranston.
Speaker 1: And I think people um develop a much stronger connection
Speaker 1: to the personalities that they watched. And so it's like
Speaker 1: YouTube and Twitch and since mixer have have have come
Speaker 1: and gone, but that's been a big um. That's just
Speaker 1: been what happens when everyone decides to do what a
Speaker 1: few people did, you know ten twelve years ago. So
Speaker 1: I wanted to get you on the show because without
Speaker 1: sports it has been difficult to follow something drama filled.
Speaker 1: I mean, normally i'd be watching the NBA Finals, I'd
Speaker 1: be trying to figure out these inside stories. I'd I'd
Speaker 1: be rooting for my team, whatever it is. And so
Speaker 1: much of the world has taken that energy and focused
Speaker 1: it in on what's going on on YouTube and twitch
Speaker 1: and really cancel culture in general. But boy, has YouTube
Speaker 1: and streaming been really front and center for it. And
Speaker 1: I wanted to start by talking about Doctor Disrespect, which
Speaker 1: is a name I didn't even know until last week
Speaker 1: when I'm just searching for anything on the internet to follow.
Speaker 1: Can you explain to me how uh this is what
Speaker 1: I think I just saw him two weeks ago. This
Speaker 1: is like if Joe Dirt won an Oscar. It's like,
Speaker 1: this is like if Ali G was actually an incredible rapper.
Speaker 1: This dude's in character. He's doing sort of like this
Speaker 1: mullet and mustache vibe thing going on, kind of like
Speaker 1: an ol Uncerta NASCAR look. But he's also very good
Speaker 1: at video gaming and streaming it on Twitch. So so
Speaker 1: tell me about him and then why we hate him? Yes? So, um, look,
Speaker 1: so Dr Disrespect is uh you know, if you've signed
Speaker 1: on to the internet within the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: you were created with with a very menacing face. And
Speaker 1: this is a guy who has a mullet, um very
Speaker 1: you know, Nolan Ryan esque, reflective sunglasses, a headset, and um,
Speaker 1: no one knows who he is. I have friends asking
Speaker 1: me and you know, again, a man my age, I
Speaker 1: actually know who he is, and I'm I'm not proud
Speaker 1: of it, but I will do my best to explain.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Dr Disrespect is a Twitch streaming personality. He's
Speaker 1: actually among what I consider to be one of the
Speaker 1: higher tier quality content creators on the site. He is
Speaker 1: a very interesting mix of persona a character with um
Speaker 1: a skill in playing video games. Oftentimes on Twitch you
Speaker 1: have people that are just a persona or personality and
Speaker 1: then they just talked to their audience, and then you
Speaker 1: have people that are just kind of skill based. UM.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, that would be somebody like a Shroud
Speaker 1: who was very good at the game. Maybe on the
Speaker 1: personality side, not as vibrant, but still attracts a viewership
Speaker 1: because people want to see how people play games at
Speaker 1: a high level. He's the Kauhi Leonard of of of Twitch. Yes,
Speaker 1: um baseball right and uh so so. Dr Disrespect is
Speaker 1: a perfect mix of a high quality game player with
Speaker 1: an incredible persona with an incredible production value to kind
Speaker 1: of tie it all together. And he's been doing it
Speaker 1: for the last five or six years, and he's amassed
Speaker 1: millions of followers on the site. At four point four million.
Speaker 1: He is repped by CIA. He has a two a
Speaker 1: large two year deal with Twitch Mountain Dew sponsorship, supposedly
Speaker 1: the largest ever by an individual gaming personality, Monstrous for
Speaker 1: the platform, even for the business of Twitch. He is
Speaker 1: a a big earner. Yes, he's so big um that
Speaker 1: he can anytime he streams, you know, he's automatically uh
Speaker 1: at the top of the topless of streamers, and and
Speaker 1: and he can move audiences and and there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of talk about him getting haid money to potentially
Speaker 1: move off site. And that's what streamers like Shroud and Ninja,
Speaker 1: the Fortnite player who Drake ended up kind of promoting
Speaker 1: and he ended up blowing up. But these guys have
Speaker 1: such a power to move audience. It's now I should
Speaker 1: probably tell people how much these guys make, just so
Speaker 1: you can kind of see why it's important and why
Speaker 1: people care. I mean, on Twitch, there are four ways
Speaker 1: to make money. There's donations, so your viewers that are
Speaker 1: watching can directly donate money to you. That money is
Speaker 1: just it comes in the form of, like, hey, this
Speaker 1: person donated, here's a message they said in hopes that
Speaker 1: doctor disrespect or somebody says it on their stream, so
Speaker 1: you get that sort of acknowledgement. It's a tip, absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's a tip. The other form is through subscriptions. Subscriptions
Speaker 1: are kind of where you get the bulk of it. Now,
Speaker 1: every month, somebody can subscribe to your Twitch channel and
Speaker 1: at the very minimum, it's five dollars a month, and
Speaker 1: it goes up to a month. Somebody like doctor Disrespect
Speaker 1: has around fifty thou Twitch subscribers, so that times at
Speaker 1: least five. And then you have ad revenue through Twitch.
Speaker 1: So advertisers pay Twitch to advertise thirty second pre roll
Speaker 1: ads or whatever, and then they share that revenue with
Speaker 1: the creators. And then you also have sponsorships. These guys
Speaker 1: will get paid money from the developers and the video
Speaker 1: game companies to play their games per hour, and that
Speaker 1: per hour can be anywhere from a thousand dollars to
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars just to play a game. So on
Speaker 1: the on the high end, like somebody like a Ninja
Speaker 1: could make potentially half a million dollars a month or more, right,
Speaker 1: and somebody like Doctor Disrespect probably makes somewhere between a
Speaker 1: hundred two hundred thousand dollars a month. That's why when
Speaker 1: Mixer poached Ninja and Shroud, these deals were worth up
Speaker 1: to thirty million dollars for like a three year deal,
Speaker 1: because these guys had to be incentivized to move and
Speaker 1: completely take their audience with them. Otherwise they're doing just
Speaker 1: fine where they're at. So that's important to keep in
Speaker 1: mind because to get someone off of Twitch that is
Speaker 1: that caliber, that is that high on the tier would
Speaker 1: cost a lot of money. Normally, losing that audience, losing
Speaker 1: that base, losing that ability would cost a lot of money.
Speaker 1: So when Doctor Disrespect a toxic gamer personality that is
Speaker 1: kind of what he's known for, being over the top
Speaker 1: and rambunctious and kind of almost making fun of troll
Speaker 1: culture a bit from what I've seen. So when he
Speaker 1: gets probably permanently banned from Twitch out of nowhere, out
Speaker 1: of nowhere, people who went to go watch him, noticed
Speaker 1: that his account was taken off the site. He is
Speaker 1: he is reporting and telling people he doesn't know why.
Speaker 1: That's the drama. I was brought into that a guy
Speaker 1: could lose millions and millions of dollars overnight and not
Speaker 1: know why. Right, So there's not a lot of clarity,
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of speculation. Now, Doctor Disrespect in
Speaker 1: the past was suspended from Twitch because he was live
Speaker 1: streaming at E three and happened to walk into a
Speaker 1: public bathroom, which is a no, no, we don't stream
Speaker 1: pp and uh. They banned him for I think, um
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. There was also a personal moment
Speaker 1: for him before that where he was kind of caught
Speaker 1: um cheating on his spouse with a viewer, and that
Speaker 1: turned into a thing where he took a leave of
Speaker 1: absence and then ended up coming back bigger than ever.
Speaker 1: His audiences, they are so into the fact that he
Speaker 1: plays into the this actual persona that when the real
Speaker 1: guy his name's guy being, when the real guy does
Speaker 1: things that fit into the persona, it only like amplifies
Speaker 1: in snowballs his viewership. So when he came back from
Speaker 1: the accusations of cheating on his wife. His viewership had
Speaker 1: like doubled the first week, and then when he came
Speaker 1: back from the Twitch band from uh uh Streaming PP,
Speaker 1: he came back even stronger. So now the reason this
Speaker 1: is different is it's supposedly a permanent band. There's no
Speaker 1: reasons why Twitch has banned people in the past before
Speaker 1: UM permanently without telling them exactly why. They'll just refer
Speaker 1: to their terms of service and their guidelines. Is being violated.
Speaker 1: The rumors are and I don't know how, you know,
Speaker 1: people that actually know what's going on are the people
Speaker 1: on the inside that work at Twitch. Everyone else is
Speaker 1: just assuming. There are some rumors that Spotify wants to
Speaker 1: open up their own UM live streaming site. There's talk
Speaker 1: that maybe Doctor Disrespect was trying to recruit other streamers
Speaker 1: to go off platform to another site. I don't know
Speaker 1: how valid that is, but Spotify has been making deals
Speaker 1: with people like Joe Rogan in the podcast world, so
Speaker 1: it would make sense that they would try and cover
Speaker 1: the live streaming side of this as well and gaming UM.
Speaker 1: There's also just it could be some rumors about charity.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of times these guys do charity streams
Speaker 1: where they raise money for charities. A couple of times
Speaker 1: I've heard that, um, there's been some back end money
Speaker 1: that's been kept, or um, not all the money was donated,
Speaker 1: as kind of kind of that gray area there. No
Speaker 1: one knows. At this point, his entire subreddit is going crazy.
Speaker 1: No one seems to be upset in any way. They
Speaker 1: just want to know when he's coming back. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I looked into it a little. Those are the rumors
Speaker 1: that I saw as well. But then also, you know,
Speaker 1: not at all saying this is what it is. But
Speaker 1: Twitch also has started a new kind of attack on streamers,
Speaker 1: much like the rest of the world who was facing
Speaker 1: sexual assault and predator accusations in their industries. So that
Speaker 1: is something that they have been acting on recently for streamers,
Speaker 1: and so people are thinking that's also another possibility for
Speaker 1: this banning. Yeah, the timing that that once once they
Speaker 1: kind of um came out with there we're going to
Speaker 1: be we have a no tolerance policy when it comes
Speaker 1: to sexual assault. It was like the day after the
Speaker 1: doctor disrespect thing happened. So to make the sports related,
Speaker 1: I mean, the reason why I'm so connected to it
Speaker 1: is this is like if out of nowhere, just Kyrie
Speaker 1: Irving couldn't play in the NBA anymore, and they were like,
Speaker 1: you go play in the D League or c BA
Speaker 1: or whatever, but you have nothing to do with the
Speaker 1: place that you make millions in. And we're not going
Speaker 1: to tell you why that is a And maybe it's
Speaker 1: for a good reason, maybe it's not. Whatever it is,
Speaker 1: but what a crazy turn of events for a dude
Speaker 1: who was making more than a living, was making a
Speaker 1: fortune playing video games in a mullet wig. Absolutely, I
Speaker 1: mean that's going to be the worst part is that
Speaker 1: he's got to be in this way the whole time,
Speaker 1: so maybe he takes his time to take it off
Speaker 1: and scratch his head. Uh. You know, this is uh
Speaker 1: one of those things where when you you put all
Speaker 1: your eggs in a basket, and you know, in this case,
Speaker 1: Twitches owned by Amazon, it's it's a company, and these
Speaker 1: companies can change the rules of the game at any moment.
Speaker 1: Same thing with YouTube, same thing with you know, caffeine
Speaker 1: and all these other places. They are all owned by UM,
Speaker 1: an investment group, and they at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: only care about money and they don't care about the
Speaker 1: um livelihood of people that use their site for their
Speaker 1: own personal game. Let's get into YouTube for a little bit,
Speaker 1: so I would call it you're graduating class. I would say,
Speaker 1: the group of people who all came up together. You
Speaker 1: were involved in maker studios, and you knew all these people.
Speaker 1: These were your peers at the time. The Internet and
Speaker 1: YouTube in the early days. You know, the Wild West
Speaker 1: comparison is cliche and stupid. You heard it all the time,
Speaker 1: but comedy was lowbrow for YouTube when it first started.
Speaker 1: The nation seems to be changing, and a lot of
Speaker 1: the names who came up UH in those early days
Speaker 1: are now facing criticism for the videos they posted early
Speaker 1: in their careers, the ones that have hit mainstream that
Speaker 1: I've been following again with no baseball to follow. Jenna
Speaker 1: Marble's as a name I knew sort of from from
Speaker 1: your groups back in the day. She was one of
Speaker 1: the other people who UH was sort of claimed to
Speaker 1: be better than her medium. She was, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of smarter and funnier by a lot of people's gauges.
Speaker 1: She removes herself off YouTube after past videos go under
Speaker 1: fire for racist comments UH and and homophobic stuff. And
Speaker 1: then Shane Dawson, one of the premier names not only
Speaker 1: on YouTube from its start, but now a massive millionaire,
Speaker 1: apologizes for past racist jokes, blackface, pedophilia jokes, gets called
Speaker 1: out by Will Smith's family for making a Will Smith
Speaker 1: Joe his YouTube channel. Similar to Dr Disrespect. They have
Speaker 1: demonetized Shane Dawson's YouTube channel, meaning he can't make money
Speaker 1: from any of the videos he posts. And that also
Speaker 1: loops in a guy named Jeffrey Starr, who I unfortunately
Speaker 1: know about, who is a guy who was a makeup empire,
Speaker 1: so much of an empire. I while researching, I figured
Speaker 1: out he has a fourteen point six million dollar house.
Speaker 1: These people have made tons of money off YouTube and
Speaker 1: they all have to basically run away as a group,
Speaker 1: it appears, because all their comedy is now under fire
Speaker 1: from from that early beginning they went through. What do
Speaker 1: you know as someone who was involved in that growth,
Speaker 1: You know, I think you touched on it there. I
Speaker 1: think growth is important. There are as you said, it
Speaker 1: was pretty low brow and um, you had a lot
Speaker 1: of people that were doing comedy online that we're also
Speaker 1: cutting their teeth online. But it was very visible. Like
Speaker 1: when I started in comedy, I spent about eighteen months
Speaker 1: doing stand up and us trying to do stand up
Speaker 1: and I was bad at it, and you kind of
Speaker 1: have to be bad at it. But luckily, when you're
Speaker 1: doing stand up, it's in a club, hopefully it's not
Speaker 1: in a major city, and you're just kind of bombing
Speaker 1: in front of a few people. The unfortunate thing with
Speaker 1: YouTube is that timing is everything, and you had a
Speaker 1: lot of these people who were cutting their teeth, but
Speaker 1: they were very visible in front of their entire audience.
Speaker 1: And so instead of finding out what jokes didn't work
Speaker 1: or um worked and work shopping them privately, all that
Speaker 1: stuff was out in the open, and there was a
Speaker 1: lot I mean, specifically, I think from Shane Dawson. He
Speaker 1: really experimented if I'm going to use that word, you know,
Speaker 1: even back then though I don't think any of us
Speaker 1: were really okay with the fact that he was using
Speaker 1: black face. There's not a lot of people from that
Speaker 1: era I think that did he um. He had a
Speaker 1: character named Sane that uh and again I'm sorry I
Speaker 1: know all this, but uh, you know, when I when
Speaker 1: I saw that character, I remember Martin Lawrence's show Martin
Speaker 1: and he had a character named Sanine and I was
Speaker 1: just like, well, it seemed like Shane really borrowed heavily
Speaker 1: from that character. Um, with one big difference, with one
Speaker 1: big difference that he he was African American, and um,
Speaker 1: Shane didn't seem to make that connection and was kind
Speaker 1: of just thought everything was fair game. Comedy is comedy.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me what I can and can't do. And
Speaker 1: he did it a lot. And um, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff that has come out in regards to sort
Speaker 1: of like his conversations and you know with underage sort
Speaker 1: of like inappropriate underage stuff was which is also there's
Speaker 1: a there's a video of him, you know, gesturing like
Speaker 1: he's gratifying himself to like a poster of Willow Smith.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that kind of, um that got
Speaker 1: the Smiths involved. Jaden, you don't want Jaden, you don't want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't want a top tier a list Hollywood family
Speaker 1: coming after you. And um and and for a gross clip,
Speaker 1: I mean he's having his books removed from the shelves
Speaker 1: of Target because of it. He is makeup is being
Speaker 1: pulled off of shelves. How how much money do people
Speaker 1: like Shane Dawson, Jenna Marble's, what do they lose? These
Speaker 1: people are all millionaires. We should not feel that bad.
Speaker 1: These people are making millions and millions of dollars a
Speaker 1: year and YouTube demonetizing Shane's channels, and it's not a
Speaker 1: permanent demonetization. It's it's a temporary thing and he will
Speaker 1: be back. And these sort of things honestly end up
Speaker 1: working in the favor because like you and other people
Speaker 1: that just log on the Twitter one day, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden see a face of somebody who've never heard of,
Speaker 1: and then there's a million articles describing what this person
Speaker 1: has done. And eventually people will start to forget what
Speaker 1: they've done, but they'll remember the name in the face.
Speaker 1: And then these people just carry on, I mean, for
Speaker 1: your for your for YouTube and streaming and all these things.
Speaker 1: It seems like this is content part part of part
Speaker 1: of the process of knowing someone and learning about them
Speaker 1: and growing up with them is also seeing their huge fails.
Speaker 1: And you know, not not to defend Jenna Marble's and
Speaker 1: Shane Dawson, because I never thought i'd even say that sentence,
Speaker 1: but I will say that both had apologized before. Both
Speaker 1: both had come clean about what they had done in
Speaker 1: the past and said it's shameful and etcetera. And and uh,
Speaker 1: you know they're paying for it now and and and
Speaker 1: and you know it seems like for a good reason. Um,
Speaker 1: but it is a very slippery slope and a strange
Speaker 1: time in America. And it does seem like streaming and
Speaker 1: YouTube is is taking a lot of the brunt um
Speaker 1: look and I and I'm totally with it. I think
Speaker 1: we're going in the right direction. Um. I think we
Speaker 1: need to be able to allow people to grow and
Speaker 1: understand that what was maybe okay then, um is not
Speaker 1: okay now and we should. You know, Jenna took a
Speaker 1: big step and removed herself from YouTube now, Okay, that's
Speaker 1: that's great. Nobody asked her to do that. She kind
Speaker 1: of took the initiative to do that. She also has
Speaker 1: a very big I mean I would say most of
Speaker 1: her presence, not most, but she has a big presence
Speaker 1: on twitch U. She also live streams, and there's no
Speaker 1: talk about her leaving Twitch. It's kind of just on YouTube.
Speaker 1: So there's there's progress made. She I think dealt would
Speaker 1: be apology a little bit better with Shane's. It seems
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of I used to be that guy.
Speaker 1: I'm not that guy. Can't even look at that guy anymore.
Speaker 1: There was less ownership over him, and he seemed to
Speaker 1: be distancing himself from himself. But he's gone through this
Speaker 1: several times and he will be back and it's up
Speaker 1: to people to decide whether they watch him or not.
Speaker 1: You guys get to decide with who you click on
Speaker 1: and who you watch, and UM, for a lot of you,
Speaker 1: it's your kids now, And UM, what's good is that
Speaker 1: now you know the type of content that potentially your
Speaker 1: kids have access to. Because we used to think YouTube
Speaker 1: was just okay and whatever was on YouTube was okay.
Speaker 1: But now we know there's a lot of stuff on
Speaker 1: YouTube that's not all right, and they have a whole
Speaker 1: section of it just four kids now. And if you're
Speaker 1: a parent, when we were young, he used to have uh,
Speaker 1: you know, parental controls on your TV and you didn't
Speaker 1: have access to certain things that were rated a certain way.
Speaker 1: Should be the same way with YouTube. You should have
Speaker 1: complete transparency with what your kids are watching on YouTube
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of stuff agreed out there that
Speaker 1: shouldn't be watching. Well, I'm just happy we didn't get
Speaker 1: into make Upgate. I'm proud that we didn't have enough time.
Speaker 1: I am too. I can't. There's there's some stuff that
Speaker 1: I can read through, like the Twitch drama, but when
Speaker 1: it comes to other things like um beauty gurus and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, I I can't do it. Well. I
Speaker 1: wanted to at least get a pitch in there for
Speaker 1: your podcast called Pajama Pants Only, because you you have
Speaker 1: all things you've done. You have reunited Robert Iller and
Speaker 1: Jamie Lynds Szigler from The Sopranos to do a podcast
Speaker 1: with you. And by the way, it has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the Sopranos. It is just hang out lifestyle
Speaker 1: talk podcast that just coincidentally has the two kids from
Speaker 1: the most iconic television show of all time. What is
Speaker 1: your connection to the children of the Sopranos, Um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for the plug. Me and Robert we
Speaker 1: we met, uh, I don't know, six seven years ago.
Speaker 1: We shot a pilot together and um we got to
Speaker 1: be fast friends. And you know he I met Jamie
Speaker 1: through Robert. UM. I take pride in the fact that
Speaker 1: there's uh, it's it's not a Sopranos rewatch podcasts. There
Speaker 1: are three or four other rewatch podcasts which are all good,
Speaker 1: but to be honest, none of us have watched the
Speaker 1: entire series. Though for us to talk about the Sopranos
Speaker 1: would be, um, it wouldn't be authentic. And I think
Speaker 1: what's good is that when it comes up, they talk
Speaker 1: about their experience. But we all it was just three
Speaker 1: people talking about their lives, I think, which is um
Speaker 1: the best part. But uh yes, if you're looking for
Speaker 1: a Sopranos podcast, even though we have Meadow and a
Speaker 1: j soprano, probably not the best podcast for you to
Speaker 1: Roberts like this mysterious cloak of a human being. He
Speaker 1: didn't want to act anymore. He's like this enigma of
Speaker 1: a human who's just all we know is he loves slipknot.
Speaker 1: It is a great It is a great personality to
Speaker 1: have out in public. So I'm happy that you're digging deeper.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thanks so much well, cass MG. Everybody
Speaker 1: go check out pajama Pants and also let's let's let's
Speaker 1: both loosen up on checking out YouTube and twitch trauma. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we should also take a break. Thank's Caliday. Thanks than
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