WEBVTT - 109: The Last Future 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:04.840 It's twelve twenty two am in Chicago, and you're listening tonight. 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:17.120 Call hello and welcome tonight call a call in show 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:20.919 for our dystopian reality. I'm Molly Lambert and with me 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:25.400 are Testa Lynch and Emily Oshida. Welcome back. It is 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:27.600 May today as the first day of May. This will 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:31.040 be coming out in May. And it's now Why to 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:33.800 You May? Our new theme month. That's all why t 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.640 K themeds excited about Why to You May? It so excited. 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.760 I love looking back at a fake apocalypse to just 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:45.199 contrast the real one going on right now makes me 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.160 gives me the warm and fuzzies. I was given permission 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.800 by Hunter Harris that we are the only people allowed 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:53.920 to do a It's gonna be May meme for meme 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.200 that died, but we can use we're allowed to do 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:00.040 It's gonna be why to May? Yes, Okay, give in 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:02.080 mean permission. I think that kind of joke is what 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:03.800 one calls a hat on a hat if you're in 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.759 a writer's around. But we'll go with it. What's finishing 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:11.679 the hat? I still don't understand not a hat. I 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:13.560 was going to say, like one of those big kind 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:16.720 of like top hats, like fetzy top hats that were 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:20.880 really popular around the year two thousands Mystery used to wear. Yes, 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:25.319 that's the hat that's not in the case of it's 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:27.320 going to be y too may What about a cat 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:31.319 in the hat raper hat? Yes, say same, same basic idea. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.440 Keep waiting for those to come back. Yeah. I was 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:39.760 going down a long Google image wormhole when I was 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.800 putting together graphics for this month's Night Calling newsletter and 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:48.680 just looking at pacifier necklaces and just really wondering like those. 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.720 You know, there's been all sorts of nineties nostalgia over 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.760 the last decade, I'd say, but very little that you 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:57.440 hear about passive I ire necklaces. Maybe we should bring it. 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.920 It's not like pople aren't doing Molly. We're gonna get 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.560 into candy flippers today because that was one of my 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:06.640 realizations about Michael Jordan, as he dresses like a candy flipper. 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.639 I can't wait to hear all of your revelations about 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.280 Michael today. We're gonna talk about sports as well. Sports 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:18.000 in the late nineties, so technically on topic um, but 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.160 first the question to lead into that, we got a 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.359 night email from Jonathan Tess, would you like to read it? 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.519 I would love to read this email from Jonathan Okay 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.360 high Night Call. A few months ago, the idea of 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.880 the long eighties I think it was the eighties was 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.560 mentioned on an episode for Why to May. I was 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:39.280 wondering where you all think the long seventies, eighties, nineties, 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.320 and audies begin and end? The show is always a 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.760 highlight of my week. Thank you, Jonathan. What do you 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.600 guys think? Wow? I love how he wrote OS and 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.880 you turned it into audies. I did he wrote OS, 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.840 but I my brain looks at OS and just immediately 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.160 translates audie. I think if I saw it written like that, 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:00.160 I would say two thousand's And that's only because of 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.880 I love the year two thousand, or the years or 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.640 the two thousands, like whatever. The Empty One Show was 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:09.880 because they had done I Love the eighties, I love 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.120 the nineties. Did they have I Love the seventies or 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:13.799 is that a little out of their purview? I think 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:15.720 they did have I Love the seventies. I don't think 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:18.000 they had I Love the sixties. But I definitely watched 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.680 all that trash. I think definitely nobody who was watching 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.240 it was alive for the sixties, so they skipped over 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:28.119 the sixties. Um, also like the sixties. It's like it's 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:29.920 hard to like, I don't know. I feel like if 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.440 you were just a different documentary, it's a yeah, there's 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.680 lots of I love the sixties out there, just comes 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.280 in different forms other than a v H one talking 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.920 head show. But um, I want to say, I think 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:43.320 most decades, I don't think they really start until midway. 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:45.760 I feel like usually the year with the five on 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.000 it is when it becomes really whatever that decade is 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:52.320 going to be. Here's my here's my degree. I'll tell 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.240 you guys what I think, and then you can you 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:59.120 can tell me I'm wrong. Uh. I think the sixties 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.680 started in like okay, Like I think the early sixties 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.560 in the late sixties are like two different decades essentially, 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:09.640 because the early sixties are essentially the long fifties. So 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.920 I want to say the sixties started in like nineteen 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:20.039 sixty four maybe for real, um, the first like um 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.240 big civil rights protests, because I would say that is 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:27.720 like kind of the turning point for the sixties. So like, yeah, 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:31.840 sixty sixty five, YEA somewhere around the civil rights movement 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.280 really kicking into gear and the Beatles coming to America. 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.560 That's what that's when the sixties begins. The sixties end 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:42.880 in nineteen seventy two, thus begin the seven weeks. Why 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:47.919 why nineteen seventy two, particularly like Nixon and stuff, Nixon 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:51.919 and ship. Wait, but you say decades usually begin in 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.840 the fives, like halfway through. But you just cited two 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:59.280 examples where they both began in like seven three seventy two. 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.200 That's where I think they start on the third year. Okay, 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:09.680 this a little theory. Seventies, Uh go until nineteen eighty two. 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.280 I would definitely agree with us. Yeah, eighties begin in 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.719 nineteen eight three, which is also when you and I 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:21.560 Molly were born with our birth. Um, the decade was 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:28.360 allowed to begin the eighties and in nine continuing with 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:39.240 testa theory, and then the nineties are ninety three to eleven. Uh, 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:44.479 what's the quote by um fucking Narromancer author William Gibson? 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:47.039 Isn't doesn't he have the quote about how the future 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:51.640 will get here? It'll just like not be evenly dispersed. Um, Yes, 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:56.040 I think that William Gibson come on night call please obviously, Yes, 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.120 that is like an open invitation for all time. But 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.080 I think I think the same kind of goes for 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.520 these decade changes though, because I think if you're living 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.080 in the Midwest, or you're living in a more conservative place, 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.080 like it takes a while for some of the waves, 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.160 like the cultural waves of these changes to hit you, 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:16.080 so like it can still feel like the eighties, you know, 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.760 deep into the nineties. I mean there's some parts of 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:23.080 the country or their pockets, I think to where it 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.600 never fully moves on. It stays forever in one zone. 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:30.880 It's always the nineteen fifties in Burbank. Yeah, I would 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.920 say that that there are certain I would say there 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:37.279 are certain things, though I would say nine eleven is 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:42.520 one of them. Um, I would say, I'm fairly confident 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:47.440 that the recession, the housing crisis is one where those 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:51.239 are evenly dispersed, um and maybe even more dispersed towards 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:55.280 places that are not big metropolitan areas where we think 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.479 of the center of cultural change happening. Although you would say, like, 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.120 I have been thinking about this a lot, because obviously 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:06.320 this crisis is like extremely not evenly dispersed and being 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:10.160 really much more bad. Yeah, there's that. I mean, like 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:14.080 the severity is different for for COVID, But I would 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.440 say that this is definitely something that's happening to everybody 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:18.240 at the same time. It's happening in different ways to 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.840 everybody at the same time as the same thing with 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.920 the housing crisis, with kind of all of the shifts 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.320 that came after that um occupy and all that kind 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.720 of stuff like it, it affected people in different ways. 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.440 But like, you know, you can actually say, like, this 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.440 is a thing that changed pretty much everybody, at least 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:40.720 in our country. Like at the same time, when you 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:42.720 think about something like the Manson murders and people saying 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:44.600 like the Manson murders was the end of the sixties, 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.280 it's like, well, kind of just like in l A, 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:52.160 you know, it wasn't the end of the Definitely very convenient. 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.520 And also the reason the sixties really ended in l A, 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.720 according to Mike Davis, is because a bunch of the 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:02.040 prominent black panthers were killed by the US government. So 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:04.960 they definitely were trying to make the sixties be over 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.320 a sap. Yeah, the sixties is like actually one of 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.480 the shortest decades if we're going through it like this 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.720 and not on accident. But yeah, This is an interesting 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:15.440 I think about this stuff all the time. This is 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.720 I think just nine eleven two now is all one decade. 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:20.480 I think of it as just all one time period. 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:22.480 I would don't think that. I think that. I think 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.720 the housing crisis is is a turn. I think I 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.560 think there's a major turn there. I think the whole 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:33.160 twenty one century has been as well. Wait, this might 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.600 be a good time to bring up, Molly, your brother's 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:40.439 theory about Y two K and how will you explain? Okay, 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:43.480 my brother think about this constantly. My brother Ben Lambert 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.360 Lambo Lambo had a theory. I don't know if you 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:49.160 read it somewhere or just came up with it, but 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.880 his theory was essentially like Y two K did happen, 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:57.760 and that is when reality split into the multiple universes. 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.640 Time about this a few times, talking about it before, 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.480 But it's very Y two K. It's Y t K. 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.760 This is like the cornerstone of our Y two k's 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:11.000 like the matrix. People like it because it lets you 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.960 imagine there's a good universe somewhere. But I guess the 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.360 idea is also like in the universe where Y t 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:20.560 K happened, we had to reckon with our lack of 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:25.840 preparedness for a global event, we had to come together 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:32.400 as nations. I'm writing an Errand Sorkin book about what happened. 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.520 You say, I suddenly like perked up as like that 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.800 coming together as a nation. Um. Yeah, no. But the 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.120 other thing about that theory that I think is popular 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:48.000 among people of our generation and like our friends, is 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.240 that it conveniently lines up with like the end of 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:54.920 us being teenagers. Um, So you know, it's it's very 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:59.040 comforting to think that like once you enter adulthood, Uh, 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.520 then the ever shifted and it was all fake after 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:04.720 the only real stuff was when you were like a teenager, 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.680 I didn't have anythings like serious to worry about. But also, 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:12.840 like we got uniquely a lot of bad things happened. 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:18.080 I mean, obviously bad things happened to every generation, but uh, 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:22.680 it seems like things have gotten just acceleratedly worse since 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:27.319 the year we're speaking to you from a global pandemic. 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:31.600 So it's like, yes, it's it seems pretty bad. But 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.120 I also think I think the twentieth century was an 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.960 outlier as a time of just you know, all these 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:43.800 circumstances lined up to create growth and prosperity briefly in America, 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.920 starting with the beginning of the twentieth century. Something I 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.840 would love to talk about more that you guys don't 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:56.160 think quite is I'll be happy to go back and 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:59.160 and we can do a whole series on the Nick. Okay, 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:03.400 we're gonna do more than the Nick and fewer PBS 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:09.400 American history. And I agree with that American history. But 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.199 you know, I have been talking a lot about The 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:16.320 Magnificent Amberson's which is like a whole novel. Somebody wrote 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:21.040 about how much they hated cars, uh, and how they 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.280 thought cars were going to ruin everything, and I was like, 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:27.160 you know what not wrong? Wrong? If you had to 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:31.960 choose a world where there were no cars or no airplanes, 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.520 which would you choose both? Can I have both no 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:37.440 cars the new airplane? Now you have to choose one 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:39.640 or the other. That's the point of actually cars, I 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.480 don't care about airplanes that much. I've never had like 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:47.360 a good air travel experience, so you'd rather pick Okay, See, 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:51.600 I firmly disagree. I can get around in life, and 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:53.880 I have for many years in my life gotten around 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.360 without a car. But like the possibility of like Oh, 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.079 if I want to go see some other part of 0:11:58.120 --> 0:11:59.959 the world, I have to get on an ocean line. 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:05.240 That's how it was. Yeah, But like I think I 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:10.480 think I've shared this controversial opinion on on I think 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.440 it was on the dailies like guys recently when I 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.240 was a guest on there. I think air travel is 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:19.560 great A plus love air travel, being in the sky. 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.280 I don't like being in the sky. It feels unnatural. 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.000 I don't think I'm never going to get on a 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:28.080 plane again, honestly after this. But I like a road trip. 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:30.679 I think I'm just like, well, if there's no planes, 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:33.800 we'll have to drive across the country, like in Stephen 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:38.160 King's the Stand to get places, isn't that isn't don't 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.360 be that bad things happen in the States. Well, this 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:44.000 is largely bad things happening. Yeah, I mean it's too 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.280 on topic for right now. I've watched it a lot 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.440 of times, but like, have you ever read it? I've 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.839 never read it. That it's such it's so good, a 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.319 good book to read, but also like I don't think 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.400 I can handle it right now. It might exactly what 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.880 you want. Well, I also saw some from Stephen King 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.400 where he was. Like in my sci fi like Dystopia universe, 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.200 it didn't like occur to me that the government would 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:09.480 suck it up this badly right, just like things William 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.680 Gibson says too, it's just like some of the ways 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.920 in which society has become bad. It's just like even 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.760 the people thinking about all the way society could become 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.680 really bad, we didn't didn't think about it. That's why 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.360 we're going back to Y t K, A great time 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:28.040 that everybody loves when it feels very innocent and quaint. 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:32.240 Right now, where where were you guys on Y two K? 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:37.240 I was in jolly old England, are you? It was 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:41.880 my first trip to another country speaking of air travel, UM. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.600 And it was my mom was doing a research trip, 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:46.920 so I was just tagging along with her and we 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:50.680 were just staying at like a series of hostels around 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:55.360 mostly northern England. UM. But we had we spent actually 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:59.880 the actual turn of the millennium in Cambridge, UM. And 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:02.640 I remember there was a huge carnival out on some 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.680 lawn at Cambridge, but we were not we were not 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:07.360 doing any of that. I remember. I remember like the 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:11.240 drunkenness level being like and even living in a college 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.560 town at the time, being something that I had never 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.920 seen before, like because it's college town times, British times, 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:23.160 British exactly. Um, but we spent our evening at like 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.320 a cathedral that had been or not. It was a church, 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.680 an old old church, like a Romanesque church that had 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:33.480 been around since like the first millennium. And uh, there 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.560 was like a kind of service type thing, like a 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.920 victual or something. And then, um, I drank my first 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.640 class of champagne among a bunch of old people in 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:46.320 a an old church in Cambridge. You had the most 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:50.480 delightful y two k I've ever heard of. That sounds great, 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:55.120 That's awesome. Probably where were you. I was at my 0:14:55.320 --> 0:15:00.760 family friend's house the Moffits with my parents and brother 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:05.320 and we were watching it on television. We like went 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:07.680 over there for New Year's. Um. I feel like I 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:12.040 never did anything party for New Year's in high school 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.280 because it was like such a pain and like nobody 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.880 wanted to drive on New Year's And I remember people 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:19.480 would always be like going to the beach, but then 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.080 that would be that was like a five hour clusterfuck 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.440 of like stuck there. Yeah, so I would always just 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:27.480 hang out with my parents, like the cool kid that 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:32.360 I was, UM and my family, and I remember that 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:36.440 there was like a PBS or local special of the 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.200 Millennium around the world, Why two K around the world, 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.840 and that l A had the worst y two K 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:49.880 celebration of anywhere. Everywhere else had something cool. Um there 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.800 was like some crazy ball drop in Sydney. And then 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:54.640 you know, and it's like going through as it it 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:59.720 becomes around the world. You remember seeing something cool looking 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.960 at the silly like Millennium Dome in England. I just 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:07.000 saw this like silly, probably really wasteful infrastructure stuff that 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.480 they built for the millennium, and then the Eye in 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:14.120 London and stop for the millennium. Yeah. Yeah, they built 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:15.800 a lot of dumb ship for They built a lot 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:17.920 of dumb ship for the millenning. And then they cut 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:22.200 to Hollywood, California, and it's Jay Leno at the Hollywood 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:27.360 Sign but and they lit off like two sparklers and 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:35.040 that was it. We were, you guys nervous about the 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.960 collapse of technology at the time. I think I was 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:42.800 like curious if it would happen. Really yeah, I don't 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.720 remember being really actively nervous. And then I think I 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:49.720 remember being later at some point, like or no before 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.560 it was midnight. We were in some bar or some 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:54.800 cafe or something and they had the TV on where 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.400 they were showing like the Millennium celebrations and like India 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.480 and stuff like that, and it was like, oh, it's fine, 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:06.360 like it's all gonna be okay. Um. So like by 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.920 the time it was midnight in England, I was like, 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.119 it's it's it's okay. I'm just gonna like chill and 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:17.920 have my my champagne. But yeah, I have no I 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:21.080 can't remember, and it's so stressful because I was trying to. 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:23.720 Right before we started, I was like, okay, I think 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:28.600 I was in my bedroom online, as a very cool 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:32.080 person would be at midnight on New Year's Eve. But 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.480 then I was like, no, I think I was in Connecticut. Um, 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:39.679 because my parents would leave. They were renting in California 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.360 for work, so when I would have school breaks sometimes 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.280 we would go back to their house in Connecticut. So 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.040 even worse than being in like my l a bedroom, 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.200 I think I was like all alone in my haunted 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:55.200 bedroom in Connecticut. But I was really really stressed about 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.400 computers breaking and stuff. Most more than anything. I was like, 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:02.320 my emails, my AOL emails, It's like the record of 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.639 my life. What will I do if those are lost? 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.120 And I think my dad was pretty stressed because he's 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.120 he was like an early techie, can ask your parents 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.960 for confirmation. Well, I was like, oh, I should look 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.679 at my diaries. But then I'm not. I'm not going 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:17.800 to go down that road right now. It's too fragile. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.080 Look at your A O L email. Can't. Man, I 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.000 wish I could. I I don't think that those exist anymore, 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.320 but I mean they were like that was a big 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:27.879 deal to me. I was stressed. I actually have a 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.760 binder of printed out A O L emails, but it's 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.119 just the tip of the iceberg. It's not an exhaustive 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:39.760 collection correspondences. My correspondences as very victorian with the pen piles. Well, 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.200 let's take a break and then we'll be right back 0:18:42.320 --> 0:19:05.000 with some sports. Welcome back Tonight Call. This is a 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:09.800 special news segment. We're introducing UH at my Behest, but 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:13.160 also some of our listeners demanded it called Sports Call, 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:18.840 the sports podcast within Nightcall. We've got two whole sports 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:20.560 topics to talk about, and I would love to have 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.640 some actual people who are sports journalists and we want 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:28.040 to have our friend Holly on sometime to talk about sports. Actually, 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.159 we are not pretending to be sports experts. We are 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:36.840 merely sports amateurs. But what we have our opinions, lots 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:41.560 of them. Well put uh here is a night text 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:46.359 twee got asking about the Michael Jordan documentary The Last Dance. Hi, ladies, 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:48.399 been a listener since your days in grant Land, and 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:50.840 this is my first time ever calling in. Given you 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:53.920 guys are talking about The Last Dance documentary, I guess 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:55.800 my only question is how do you think a figure 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.400 like Dennis Rodman would be read and consumed in today's 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.720 media landscaping culture. Rodman was no doubt a fascinating figure 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:03.560 when I was a kid in the nineties watching him, 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.480 but looking at how social media reacted to seemingly first 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.280 time discovering who Rodman is in finding old clips of him, 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:13.720 he's easily going viral yet again, especially when he talked 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:15.800 about his sexuality and how he liked to dress, which 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:18.399 at the time was very controversial. Thank you and I 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.239 enjoyed the podcast. Wow, thank you so much for this 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:28.680 great introduction to talk about our favorite subject, sports, basketball specifically, 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:33.080 did you guys get to watch any of the last dance? 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:35.879 I haven't yet, but I've I've committed to doing it 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.080 this weekend. I know, Molly, you started it right. Yeah. 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:41.879 It's just a great documentary. I will say. It's like, 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:44.880 even if you don't care anything about basketball, and I'm 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:47.680 definitely on the low end of caring about it, it's 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:53.159 just a great collection of people and personalities, um. And 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:56.560 it makes it very much about how these personalities interacted 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:59.439 and what, you know, what made that work and not 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.480 work for teams. And it's a lot about the corporate medaling, 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:06.160 about how the league got involved and fucked up good 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:10.919 arrangements and sucked over great players. Um Scottie Pippen is 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.520 the focus of the second episode. It's all it's very 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.000 it's very discursive in a way that I like, who 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:20.720 are the villains? The villains? Jake Kang disagrees with me, 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:24.600 But the main villain is Jerry Krause, who uh basically 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:28.520 breaks up like the threatens to break up the the 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:33.400 championship winning bowls. Um Scottie Pippen signs like a bad 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:37.199 overall deal because for reasons that make perfect sense that 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:39.760 he's like I need to like buy my mom a house, 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.320 you know, and like they offered him eighteen million and 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.600 he takes it. But then he gets to a point 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:47.000 where it's like he could be making so much more 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:50.560 money and he's like the second best player in the 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:53.040 league or something on the best team in the league, 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:57.320 but he is making he's like very low on on 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.720 you know, in terms of getting paid. They talk a 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:03.920 lot about the way that the league exploits players, and 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:05.719 you know how you have to be sort of like 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:09.760 so happy to do anything for the league. Uh. But 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:11.880 obviously if you get injured, they kind of stopped giving 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:15.680 a funk about you. But it's really about it's about 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:22.080 the late nineties, about Michael Jordan's retirement, and it's ten episodes. 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:25.119 I've watched four so far. It's coming out weekly on Sundays, 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:27.439 and it's like a big event that everybody's enjoying watching. 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:31.199 Can I ask what it's called the Last Dance? Um 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:33.600 Our producer Joel says she actually knows why it's called 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:36.840 the Last Dance, so uh. An episode one, Phil Jackson 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:38.840 talks about how at the top of each year he 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:40.960 would set up sort of a theme or a mantra 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:42.800 for the team in order to focus them on a 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:45.439 singular goal. Uh. He was pretty sure this was going 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:47.639 to be his last season, and so he coined this 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:49.840 term the last Dance, and they were all sort of 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:53.080 trying to make that last dance a memorable one. Nice 0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:58.720 thank you, Joel. So the first episode is focused basically 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:01.600 on Michael Jordan's, the second episode is sort of focused 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:05.320 around Scottie Pippen, and then the third episode is Dennis Rodman, 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:08.200 and then episode four it starts to like weave these 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:10.320 They're all being woven together the whole time, which is 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:11.919 also why I like it. It kind of jumps around 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:16.320 in time and uh, in in careers, in stories a 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:20.040 lot um in a way that some people have said 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:22.040