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Speaker 1: Actor David Henry's kicking off his second season of Wizards

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Speaker 1: Beyond Waverley Place and his co star Selena Gomez just

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Speaker 1: seven to twenty twelve, he played Justin Russo on the

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Speaker 1: Disney hit Wizards of Waverley Place, and he recently revived

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Speaker 1: the series as a producer. Along the way, he starred

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Speaker 1: and hit movies, produced and directed his own projects, and

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Speaker 1: built a family. His Wizards costar Selena Gomez recently got

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Speaker 1: married to Benny Blanco. David Henry was at the wedding.

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Speaker 1: That's where our conversation started. Have you met Benny Blanco?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: I have you approve?

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Speaker 2: You know? Okay? So the first time I went yes,

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Speaker 2: But the first time I went to dinner with him,

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Speaker 2: we went to an Italian food place and I was like,

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Speaker 2: all right, I'm Italian. I'm going to let this guy order.

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Speaker 2: Let's see how he does here. You know, it's a

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Speaker 2: big deal. We have an Italian meal with Italians is

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Speaker 1: And did she bring him to sort of get your

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Speaker 2: I think there was a implied approval there, like she

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Speaker 2: set it up. It was like, you're going to meet him,

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Speaker 2: it's a thing, and he had heard all about me,

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Speaker 2: and so you know, we had a great freaking time.

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Speaker 2: This guy can order food like nobody's business. This guy

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Speaker 2: knows Italian food. He knows food like crazy. And you

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Speaker 2: know why I liked him because I think he really

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Speaker 2: And he's got this idea that he should you sacrifice

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Speaker 1: I love it. You joined SAG at five years old.

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Speaker 1: Screen Actors Guilt at five years old. I was always little, lad.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the backstory of very very good question.

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Speaker 2: Yea very good question, kind of kind of a crazy story.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible. It's also it's also a smart lesson, and

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Speaker 1: O'Malleys didn't work, closed out of town? Thank God? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: tell me you, I mean, you're in a unique position.

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Speaker 1: That's so Raven. My daughter Maria, I remember watching That's

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Speaker 1: So Raven and then slavishly watching you all in the

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Speaker 1: What is that? A? Is it just rebellion against feeling

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Speaker 2: think you can feel the heart that we put into this,

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00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 2: the timeless familial values that are being learned in the show.

430
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,119
Speaker 1: Yet again, Wow, what was it like that first day

431
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,119
Speaker 1: you walk onto set? It's the Russo Reunion. I was

432
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,399
Speaker 1: so nervous. It had to be weird.

433
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 2: I was so nervous. I was so nervous because I

434
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 2: know the pressure and there's a big investment from Disney

435
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 2: and they're they're they're stepping out with the show. They're

436
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 2: trying to they're using our show to bring in other

437
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 2: shows behind it and recapture like a golden era of Disney.

438
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 2: So it's like we're opening the door not just for

439
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 2: our show, but for shows behind it that are coming

440
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,920
Speaker 2: through the door as well. So like the moment before

441
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 2: that first action, my heart was raising. It was like

442
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 2: I felt it going like this, and I said a

443
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 2: little prayer. I literally just said, you know what, none

444
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 2: of that matters. God, You've given me a set of

445
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 2: skills and I'm going to honor you by doing a

446
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 2: great job with them. And so everything went away. My

447
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 2: heart rate came down and I just said, I'm going

448
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 2: to crush this moment right here, this moment. You know,

449
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 2: if you build this thing up too big in your head,

450
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 2: then the pressure crushes you. But I said, one scene

451
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 2: at a time, one line at a time. I don't

452
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 2: know if I can do the whole show. It's so

453
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 2: big in my mind. But you know what, I'm just

454
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,719
Speaker 2: going to do this scene and I'm going to crush,

455
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 2: you know, use what God's given me to do a

456
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 2: great job in this moment. And that's that. And it

457
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 2: went great. It went great. My heart was out of

458
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 2: my chest.

459
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 1: No, it's been a huge hit. Tell me. I know

460
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: when you and Selena reunited in those early episodes, and

461
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 1: I know she's coming back in the second season, which

462
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 1: people said, oh that's Itsue's doing one show and out,

463
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 1: she'll never be back again. Not true.

464
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 2: She loves like her. I've been so blessed with our

465
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 2: friendship and the show meant so much to her, the

466
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 2: original show, like she honestly, that's some of you know,

467
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 2: she's said this publicly, like those are some of her

468
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 2: best memories in that that show. You know, it did everything,

469
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 2: It launched her career, it built everything that she has now,

470
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 2: so this matters to her so much, so much. She

471
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 2: has been a wonderful partner in ally all throughout the

472
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 2: way and major decisions in the show. She's were just

473
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: on the phone a few days ago talking about season

474
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,479
Speaker 2: two stuff, like she even while she's shooting other things,

475
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 2: she still cares and she's still there.

476
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Speaker 1: That's an odd thing for somebody to go back. And

477
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 1: I mean, particularly look if she you know, if she

478
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: was just cutting a few albums on the side and

479
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, eating bonbonds, you'd think, oh, well, she needs

480
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: something to do with her time. The woman's got other shows,

481
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: she's shooting in movies, and I mean, she's she's a

482
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: busy person as you are. Why do you think she

483
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 1: was interested in coming back? And what's the secret to

484
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: the chemistry that you too enjoy?

485
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: You know, that's a great that's a really good question.

486
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: We've always had a sibling relationship. She has a shell. No, no,

487
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:20,479
Speaker 2: we never did.

488
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 1: No, we never did.

489
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: She had your funny.

490
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: She had yeah.

491
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 2: No, we never did it. She has a sister now

492
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: growing up, you know, she but her sister's much younger,

493
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 2: you know, and she came out from Texas and she's

494
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 2: just she was thirteen years old, you know, and she

495
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 2: she was she's a she's a little girl. I was

496
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 2: a little older than her, and I'm from a big

497
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 2: Italian family. So my job. I always looked at my

498
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 2: job as just creating a family atmosphere on set, and

499
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: and we we had that on our set, and I

500
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 2: think it was a very safe place for her on set,

501
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 2: And it was a very place filled with love, and

502
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: which is a rare thing, very rare thing. Like if

503
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: you ask all of our crew members to this day,

504
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: these all the people that worked on our set, they

505
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 2: say it's some of their best memories. Like it was

506
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 2: a wonderfully familial, loving set. The atmosphere was fantastic, And

507
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 2: I think that represents a very special place in her

508
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 2: heart because she's gone off and she's done so many,

509
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 2: so many big things, so many so much that she

510
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 2: has in life. And I think all of us were.

511
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: Thinking, she's witnessed all this murders in that what's happened

512
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: to those two early men, yeaherly men.

513
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: So I think, you know, all of us, when we

514
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 2: get to a certain point in life, we look back

515
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: on fond memories, and that show did have a very

516
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: fond memory had a great reception, and I think she

517
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 2: looks at kids now and she goes, you know what,

518
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: I want to share that with a new generation, because

519
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: I think she sees this generation more than ever could

520
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: use some nice Raymond. The stories that we've heard that

521
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: that we didn't even know the effect that this had

522
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: on audiences. This is crazy what we've met kids. Selena

523
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 2: and I both have met kids all over the world

524
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: that have said, Hey, I was in a really dark

525
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: place in my life and I was having suicidal thoughts

526
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: and your show happened to be on in the background,

527
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 2: and I sat and I watched it, and it took

528
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: me out of that mode and I didn't engage the thoughts,

529
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: and your show kind of saved me, saved my life,

530
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: saved my life literally. And then you meet another kid

531
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: who's from a broken household, who has a terrible home life,

532
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: and he comes up and he's like, Hey, I got

533
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: pretty crappy dad and a pretty crappy mom, But your

534
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 2: show showed me that there are parents out there who

535
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: care and who want to have a good family and

536
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: who will be there relentlessly for their children. And so

537
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: I thought, maybe I want that one day like, I've

538
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: heard this literally all over the world stories like this,

539
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 2: So it's like the shows can if you make an

540
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: uplifting and positive show, it really can make a difference.

541
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: I agree with you one hundred and twenty percent. And

542
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: we don't have enough programming like that. I mean, that's

543
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: part of why I wanted to do this. You know.

544
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: I came across something. We have the World War Two

545
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: Museum in New Orleans and there's a Bob Hope exhibit

546
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: Bob Hope, the great comedian Bob Hope toward the contry

547
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: to the world, entertaining the troops during war, and there

548
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: was a quote on the wall and it struck me

549
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: so deeply when I read it, and I thought, you've

550
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: got to remember this, because this is really why you

551
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: do what you do. And he said, we went around

552
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: the world to remind the guys what normalcy looked like

553
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: and what they were really fighting for. And I thought,

554
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: that's what we should be doing in media every day,

555
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: reminding people of the good and the normal and the

556
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: true and showing them what's worth fighting for. It seems

557
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: to me, in many ways that's what you're capturing and

558
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: holding onto in this show.

559
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: Honestly, like for me personally, yes, and for me personally

560
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: and all the things that I do and produce in

561
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: my company like that, to showcase beauty, truth and goodness,

562
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: to bring that normalcy in an entertaining way to people.

563
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 2: That is what drives me like that. That literally is

564
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: my mission statement in life. I love how Bob Hope

565
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: said that because that is so true.

566
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: It kind of it shook me when I read it.

567
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: I said, that's exactly what we should be doing. We

568
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: need to be doing in every facet the media. That

569
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: should be it. Now, I know you had some difficulties

570
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: you in your wife. You were trying to get pregnant

571
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 1: and yeah, a series of miscarriages. Look, I know what

572
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: that's like. It's an awful, depressing, gutting thing. And then

573
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: you're in Rome. What happens. This is a Selena story too,

574
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: by the way. This is Along for the Rise, Along

575
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: for the Right.

576
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: So me and Selena Gomes and my wife go to

577
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: meet the pope.

578
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: This sounds like it's an own mini series. Selena Gomes,

579
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: David Henry and his wife go to meet the pope.

580
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 2: Yes, if I added a rabbi and a pastor, and

581
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 2: that makes it like a joke, right, Wizard and wizard, Yes,

582
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: it's like we're setting up a barroom jow. But no me.

583
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 2: I had a buddy who said, hey, you know, I

584
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: heard about what you're going through with your miscarriages. I

585
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: happened to know the pope pretty well. He was making

586
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 2: a movie on him. He said, I'd like you to

587
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: come meet him and see if you can get a

588
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 2: special blessing. I happened to be having dinner when I

589
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: got that information, and I turned just I said, hey,

590
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 2: can I bring a friend? And I was like, you

591
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: want to come? I was like, you want to come?

592
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: You want to come to room? My buddy's going to

593
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: take us, and I said, hey, can selenagovs coming? He

594
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: was like yeah, of course, Like this will be this'll

595
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 2: be great. So we all go to Rome to meet

596
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: the pope, and I learned how to say in Italian,

597
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: Papa Francesco, peti piache periva um bombino, just please pray

598
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: for us that we can have a baby. And I

599
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: mentioned a little more about the miscarriages, and and he

600
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: took my wife and nice hands and he put them

601
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: under his, so we sandwiched our hands in between his

602
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: and uh. He said don't worry. You'll have a baby soon.

603
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: He said a prayer, He said a special blessing over us,

604
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: and then he put his arms on both of our

605
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: shoulders and said another blessing in prayer over us. And

606
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding you. Nine months later, Pia Filamina Francesca

607
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: is born in Francesca for Pope Francis. And yeah, he he,

608
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: You know, for anyone wondering about the the activity of

609
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: the chair, the chair works. The chair Peter works, so

610
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: still operable, it still has power. Yeah, I mean crazy, right,

611
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: And then you have the other children, and then and

612
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: then I have two more kids. Now we have three children.

613
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: You know, keep us in your prayers. She my wife

614
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: still struggles with miscarriages. But yeah we got we got

615
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: three kids now six, four and two, and they're they're wonderful.

616
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: How has being a dad and a husband chain shifted

617
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: deepened the work you're.

618
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: Doing or the work you're called to do, you know,

619
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: it's everything. Like I meet a lot of young people

620
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: that are like I have to wait to a certain

621
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: point to be able to have kids. The opposite was

622
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: true for me. Like the second I started having kids,

623
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: it's like my brain, I don't know nature adaptation, I

624
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: don't know what it is. Like. The second I started

625
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: having kids, my brain shifted gears and I got so

626
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: much more focused, so much more precise, so much more intentional.

627
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: It made me question myself, who am I? What do

628
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: I stand for? What I want my kids to look

629
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: up to? What am I going to pass down to them?

630
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: What am I going to achieve? Like it all kind

631
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: of clicked in my mind and I got this fire

632
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: under me.

633
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: Well, it turns you into a man, It turns you

634
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: into it. I always tell people, if you want to

635
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: be a man, go have a family. Go find a wife,

636
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: and go have a family. You'll quickly discover what manho

637
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: is supposed to be and the reason for your life.

638
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: What are you doing this for?

639
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent. And you rise to the occasion.

640
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: You will rise to the occasion, like the time to

641
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: have kids is now, Like do it now, don't wait,

642
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: Like waiting is the You will never be ready. You

643
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: will never ready, You'll never have enough money, you'll never

644
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: be ready. It just just do it.

645
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Speaker 1: I do know some guys who waited, waited, waited, they're

646
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: like six to you on the second life, and now

647
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: they've got the children now they're too old too. They

648
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: can't get out of the chair. They wave to the

649
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: children while other people care for them. That's not the road, guys.

650
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean, look, God bless them, but do it while

651
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: you're young, while you can keep up with them, because

652
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: they will teach you, you grow with them.

653
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: You are one hundred percent right. And I literally just

654
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: got a call from a buddy on set who goes

655
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: so after our talk, my wife got pregnant. We're gonna

656
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: we're gonna do this now. Because I told him, I

657
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: was like, he's like twenty eight or twenty nine. I go,

658
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: you have a finite amount of energy in my friend,

659
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: I'm thirty five now, and when I was twenty seven

660
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: when we had our first kid, even to now, my

661
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: energy level is a little different. You only have so much.

662
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: God built this this way. He didn't build us to

663
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: have kids in our fifties and sixties like he built

664
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: us have kids at an early age. Because you have

665
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: a finite amount of energy and you want to spend

666
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: that energy with those kids. You're not going to get

667
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: that in your fifties and sixties.

668
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: How do you balance? And this is the hardest thing

669
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: I think for a dad your age. Yeah, I was

670
00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: that dad. When you're having children in your thirties, unsing

671
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: the demands of work and the time you want to

672
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,239
Speaker 1: give your daughter and sons. That's a tough you know.

673
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: I remember writing books and there was a window, a

674
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: dormer window above my office and I was kind of

675
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: in a basement office and there was there's that great

676
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: Stephen Sondheim. I've always cried when I tell this story.

677
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: There's a Stephen Sondheim song called Finishing the Hat, and

678
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,959
Speaker 1: the lyric goes and it's about an artist who's painting

679
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: a hat and he says, I'm finishing the hat, finishing

680
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: the hat, looking at your life through a window while

681
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: you finish the hat. And it used to stick like

682
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: a knife in me when that would come up on

683
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: my playlist, because I was watching my babies out on

684
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: the play sets playing. But you got to finish the

685
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: book because that's what keeps them fed and keeps us going.

686
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: But there is that tension between a dad and and

687
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: and the work and be there for the thing.

688
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's something I'm working on as we speak. I literally,

689
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: my wife and I literally just had a whole conversation

690
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: about this because I think it's the problem of I

691
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: guess the well intentioned dad is like, I am going

692
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: to go out there and provide and I'm going to

693
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: kill it, and I'm gonna do whatever I can to

694
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: set these kids up for success, and I'm going to

695
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: go bust my butt to do it. And while you're

696
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: doing that, you can miss you know. It's the it's

697
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: the song about the hat, like you're going to miss

698
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: things go by, Like for me, when we're at our

699
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: best and I'm not, I'm working on this as we speak,

700
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: like I'm no perfect. I'm working on this. I feel

701
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: like you you you you should give me. I need

702
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: to hear your advice. But for me, it's like having

703
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: a few non negotiables like a weekly date. A weekly

704
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be like a whole dinner or anything.

705
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: Just take them for you know, a coffee or you

706
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: and the pigs. Just me and one of them. Yeah,

707
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: not my wife, not just me and one of them.

708
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: Do something by ourselves like that's not that's a non negotiable.

709
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: And I'm getting better at making that a thing. But

710
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 2: they crave that time like they crave it.

711
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: They do. No, it's it's critical, it's critical. And again

712
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: you talked about it earlier. You have a finite amount

713
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: of time. You think you have forever, You really don't.

714
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: I can tell you where I'm paying asser. They're all gone,

715
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: all my babies are gone. You feel it, you know.

716
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: This morning, Raymond, when I woke up, I was the

717
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: first one out of the house because I had an

718
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: early morning. And I saw my wife in bed with

719
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: all three children petzold all over the bed in weird ways,

720
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: laying all over her, and my wife's barely sleeping right,

721
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: but they're just strewn about. And I took a picture

722
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: of it, and I sent it to her, and I said,

723
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: these moments will You'll be craving this one day. You will,

724
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: And as hard as it is now, you'll be craving

725
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: this one day. I have such a beautiful little scene.

726
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: I literally stared there, stood there and stared at it.

727
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: So I was like, no, it's good to see those moments,

728
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: and it's hard to see them when you're in a

729
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: rush and you're moving, when you're trying to get things done.

730
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: I totally understand. Tell me about your faith and how

731
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: your faith has changed what you're doing. I know it's

732
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: important to you.

733
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, absolutely. You know that that's part of that

734
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 2: maturing process for me. You know, I finished this big

735
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: Disney show. I finish, I have this career, but I

736
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: feel this longing in my heart in my late teens

737
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: and early twenties. And I have all this money and

738
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: I have the things they say you should have to

739
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: feel good and feel successful, but I had this longing.

740
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: My heart was restless, and I went on a journey.

741
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: I went on a search and but the grace of

742
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: God found found Christianity, gave me direction, It gave it

743
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: gave me the hope, which was an objective claim of

744
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: something you can pursue for ever and it won't be easy,

745
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 2: but there's means that can help you along your race.

746
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: Italian Catholic culturally like kind of I had. I had

747
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: no belief. I mean, in my teen years Catholics totally,

748
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: I was crazy. In my teen years, I was off

749
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: the rails and and you know, I found it and

750
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 2: I started pursuing it, and it gave me the direction

751
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: that that I was craving and it gave me purpose

752
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: to this day. Like now, I you know, I just

753
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: formed an entertainment fund that where it's called the Novo

754
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: Inspire fund and it's all about promoting truth, goodness, and

755
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: beauty in the culture through powerful storytelling. So we're going

756
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: to make all sorts of content that will will give

757
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: positive messages. And I think that's what people want, messages

758
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: of unity, of objective world systems and views that are

759
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: universal that aren't time specific. I think people want that

760
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: right now.

761
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: And is that part of the reason? You think? Young

762
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: men we're seeing this The demographic show us young men

763
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: in Europe in the United States are the growing demographic

764
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: for faith, going to church, returning to sacraments, interest in

765
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: the Bible. It's all mainly young men. Yes, what is

766
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: that phenomenon about.

767
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: I'm so excited about this because I think I saw

768
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 2: statistic recently and I hope it's true. But that said

769
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: that twenty twenty four was the first year in the

770
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: Catholic Church that eighteen to like forty year old men

771
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: were the majority and in like a half a century

772
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 2: or something like that, And that's a cool stat And

773
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: I think the reason is because men we crave structures

774
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: and system and we crave orthodoxy. We I think the

775
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 2: past forty fifty years the Church has been very nice

776
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: and very fluffy and very not embracing the nature of

777
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: a man. We seek, We seek I don't know if

778
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: conflict is the right word, but we seek a battle.

779
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: We seek truth. It's in our nature to want to

780
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: get out there and do something, you know, And I

781
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: think men didn't see that calling in a lot of

782
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: the church's Protestant and Catholic throughout the United States. It

783
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: got so fluffy and nice that it felt weak. And

784
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: I think you're seeing the opposite happen now where there's

785
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: this massive pushback in this rise in orthodoxy in all

786
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: church communities, Protestant and Catholic, the ones that are bringing orthodoxy,

787
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: that that lit flame back into the occasion. This is

788
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: why you're seeing men gravitating. I mean, if you look

789
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,959
Speaker 2: at the look at the traditional Latin Mass, the Latin

790
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 2: mask community exploding, I know, thirteen percent growth year over year.

791
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: What do you think of driving that? It is?

792
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: We grew up a fatherless generation. My generation grew up

793
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: with the father's your friend, and like, we didn't grow

794
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: up with the desperate guidance that we needed as men

795
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: to help shape us into men. The traditional Latin Mass

796
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: what that offers is that guidance, is that structure we

797
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: felt like we missed out on an inheritance that was

798
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 2: rightfully ours. We conforts like me came to the table

799
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: and we went. I remember I was randomly invited to

800
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: a Latin mass. Had no idea what it was. I

801
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: was just going to daily mass. And I felt like, man,

802
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: where are the where's the real teaching, where's the fire?

803
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: Where's the fervor? These people are more dead than they're alive,

804
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: Like where's the excitement? Am I crazy to be excited

805
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: and be Catholic? Like? Am I crazy? And then I

806
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: got invited to this old mass and everyone was like me,

807
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: and there was kids, there was young people there, there

808
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 2: was friends and wives, young families that by the time

809
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: you're in your twenties you got a few kids. I

810
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: was like, what is this? This is amazing? And then

811
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: I learned about it and I'd.

812
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: Never call it the I call it the Roman Rite.

813
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: You should never call it the old Mass. It's the

814
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: eternal Mass. Yes, this thing is forever new. It's like

815
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: on fire.

816
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 2: It's on fire, and I feel like it's exploding because

817
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: people like me are walking into it and we're learning

818
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: about the history and we're going we were robbed of

819
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 2: this this should have been handed down to us. This

820
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 2: is the Mass of the Saints. And by the way,

821
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: I don't I go to any mass that's that's valid,

822
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: illicit and available. I'll go to all of it. You're

823
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: seeing this in the Nova Soto as well, when they're

824
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 2: putting back up the altar rails and they're putting the

825
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 2: tabernacle where it belongs, and they're bringing in bells and smells.

826
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: In liturgical beauty, we gravitate towards it. We want that,

827
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: and it's exploding. So I think it's an exciting time,

828
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: a very exciting time in the church.

829
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: Her now, I agree. Tell me about Cross Catholic Outreach

830
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: a group you're involved in. Yes, so I see you

831
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: posting on social media such beautiful stuff from Guatemala, from Brazil.

832
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: Tell me what that is? How you got involved?

833
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: So I've been. You know, I'm an I'm an interesting

834
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: If you look at me from like a brand perspective,

835
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: you're like, who is this guy? Because I have a

836
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: big following at fifteen million followers. But I grew up

837
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: in Disney, grew up very much in the secular world.

838
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: But I have a big following and my heart is Catholic.

839
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 2: I'm Catholic and I love that, and so I've been

840
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: struggling with just personally, how do I not how do

841
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: I thread this needle of loving my audience and being

842
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 2: respectful but at the same time being myself, you know,

843
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: and nothing there's nothing worse than an actor with a message, right,

844
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: It's like just dance monkey, And I think we all

845
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: know and understand that. So I'm aware of that, and

846
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 2: I don't want to be that guy. So it's a

847
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: fine line for me that I've been balancing in my mind.

848
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: But I am Catholic and it is my heart, and

849
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: I want to be authentic to my following and be myself, right,

850
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 2: I don't want to not be myself. So I met

851
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: Cross Catholic as an organization and I got to witness

852
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: them and acting the corporate works of mercy all over

853
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: the world. And when I saw that, I said, that

854
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: is so universal, that is so powerful, That is so

855
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: such a gesture of love. That's the perfect way to share,

856
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: you know, to share the good news with my following,

857
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: because it is such a beautiful way to spread the

858
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: heart of the good news. And that that is why

859
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: I felt called to it, Because I said, I'm in

860
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 2: this conundrum, how do I do this? And then insert

861
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: cross Catholic outreach. That to me is like that's perfect

862
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: because who is not going to admire helping those in need?

863
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: And it's been I'm an ambassador for them. It's been

864
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: a wonderful journey. I'm going on another mission trip this

865
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: year with them. We're trying to decide the country right now.

866
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: But I went to beIN a compublic. I went to

867
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 2: Guatemala and just had great experiences. I got to bring

868
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: my wife as well. She got to meet a lot

869
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: of the folks there, so it was it was wonderful.

870
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: Now, you just did a series in Rome on beauty

871
00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: and truth and goodness and history. You took the family along. James,

872
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: your four year old did not have the greatest experience

873
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: at an Italian restaurant. I don't mean to bring up

874
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: dark mood. Yeah, but being Sicilian, you know, yes, yeah,

875
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: he in.

876
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: An anaphylectic reaction. So it turns out that so here's

877
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,959
Speaker 2: what happened. We went to this restaurant. We check every

878
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: menu because I know he has tree nuts, pine nuts,

879
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: pisatuous cashews. He's an a fly. He's terribly allergic to

880
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: these things right. So going to Italy, I was ready

881
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: to be very careful. So we look at the menu

882
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: as we go. Hey, pasta pomodoro, very simple, tomato sauce, pasta,

883
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 2: no nuts. Nothing. I spoke to the waiter. I said, hey,

884
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: this is pasta pomodoro. My sense severe allergies. That's it, right,

885
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: sanza pine nuts, sons of pine nuts. No, no pine

886
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: nuts pi. And they said, yeah, sure, fine, Great it's

887
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: no pine Nuts's just pasta, tomato sauce.

888
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: Great.

889
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: Brings it out, he starts eating it, his lips blow up,

890
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: his tongue starts to swell at the table, and yeah.

891
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: And I literally go what the hell to the to

892
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: the the waiter and he goes, oh, I don't know,

893
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: I don't know. I go call the police, Call the police.

894
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: Immediately he runs back in the kitchen, the place the

895
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: pasta was boiled. The water. They had just made ravioli

896
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 2: which had pine nuts in it. Oh, the ravioli burst

897
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: in the pot and at the bottom of the pot

898
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: was pine neuts. So it's made in the same thing

899
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: that pinnuts was made out. Again, so I learned a

900
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: big lesson. Make sure the water is separate, fresh new water.

901
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: If you're ever making pasta with severe alergies, like make

902
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: sure that's separate. And thank god the EpiPen was there

903
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: because I epipenned him. It stopped it in its tracks immediately.

904
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 2: But oh man, there's a minute where you don't know

905
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 2: if it's going to work or not because EpiPens can fail. Yes,

906
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: So in that minute, I'm looking in his eyes and

907
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: I'm going, this could be the last time I'm staring

908
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: in my son's eyes, Like that's a very real possibility here.

909
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 2: And so I'm just looking at him, praying like please

910
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: help him, and think, God, it's stopped it in his tracks.

911
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: He's totally fine. He was himself within an hour. And

912
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: that's how I started doing that docu series called Seeking Me.

913
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: The beginning, it was like day two, Oh my god.

914
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: Oh that means it's going to be a good shoot.

915
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: Anytime you get those look everything I ever touched David.

916
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: In fact, I told my friend Jonathan, who is my

917
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: collaborator and sidekick and arms here when we started this,

918
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: I said, you were going to have obstacles you have

919
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: never faced in your entire life because of the nature

920
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: of what you're doing. If it wasn't worth anything. It'd

921
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: be the easiest shoot possible. And I envy those people

922
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: who have shoots and projects like that.

923
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 2: But I couldn't agree. More like, I literally turned because

924
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: the crew the next day was so concerned. They're like,

925
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: do you need time off? D da da da da?

926
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: And I say, guys, I take this as a great sign.

927
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 2: I take this as a sign that we're doing something right.

928
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: We need to continue forward. More stuff's going to come,

929
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: but we need to continue forward. My son's okay, it's

930
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: all good. Let's crush this. And it was a fabulous shoot.

931
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: I can't wait for everyone to see it.

932
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be beautiful. I can't wait to see it myself.

933
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 1: The Wizards of Waverley Place renewed for a second season,

934
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: the most watched premiere. Yeah, in Disney Plus history. I

935
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: asked for a series. Why do you think they keep

936
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: coming back them? What do we expect the next season? Yeah,

937
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: give me a little something. It was.

938
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: It was a blessing that that it was. It was,

939
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 2: it set the record, and that was it was so

940
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 2: well received. But now for the second season, we got

941
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: that on our shoulders. Yeah, it's kind of like you're

942
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: a victim of your own success because people are expecting

943
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: a lot. So I'm really excited about this because.

944
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: Is this like a gay Potter crossover that's happening. That'd

945
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 1: be cool. Okay, that'd be very cool.

946
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 2: Crossover is a great idea. Maybe you do a crossover

947
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: third season. So going into the second season, I said, okay,

948
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 2: the first season was always like a prequel because the

949
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: way the first season was structured, no one knew about

950
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: my characters past my children and my wife. No one

951
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: knew that my character was a wizard. No one knew

952
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: I had these secrets, and it was it was me

953
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: reintegrating into that old self and redefining him and being

954
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 2: honest with my family and apologetic and everything so clean

955
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: with my family, learning how to be a family again. Right,

956
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 2: So that was the first season, and now the second season,

957
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: my kids realize, wait a minute, dad, if you're a wizard,

958
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: then we're wizards. Then we have power now too. So

959
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: what's cool about the second season is the second season

960
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: is almost like the first season of the original show,

961
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: where we now have a wizard competition. We have children

962
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 2: who realize their wizards and they go, wait a minute,

963
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: we're all competing with one another to become the family Wizard.

964
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: There can only be one. So it's cool about the

965
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: second season is it's really like the first season and

966
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: it was a last season was a prequel this season,

967
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: and I'm very aware of all the feedback from the

968
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 2: fans in terms of what about this character, what about

969
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: that character? You're bringing them back? What's happening here? And

970
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: I will say, we're very aware of it, and you

971
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: can't do everything in one season, and stay tuned, is

972
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: all I'll say. It can't say too much, but stay two.

973
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: So a little news there will be a returning beloved character.

974
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: I mean, so here's how I'll answer that, right, And

975
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I can't be as precise as you'd like.

976
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: We know the characters that you're really rooting for. We're

977
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: very aware, and I really want you to watch this season.

978
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: You can speculate as to who it is, but we're

979
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 2: very excited to take our time and bring people back

980
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 2: in ways that are incredibly incredibly meaningful. Mic drop moments.

981
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: Okay, get ready, okay, what do you want to do

982
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: next after this?

983
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: Is olva? It's a great question, Raymond. So I'm focused

984
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: on producing projects that are true, good and beautiful.

985
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: I know that, but what do you want to do

986
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: as an actor?

987
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 2: As an actor?

988
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: So I have it?

989
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm really excited about this. So I have

990
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: a kids show that we're developing right now that's going

991
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: to be coming out. It can't announce where it is,

992
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 2: but I'll tell you the show. It's called Halo Heroes

993
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: and it's honestly a show for my children. So my

994
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: kids don't have a lot to watch. They're six, four

995
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: and two. There's not a lot of safe programming out there,

996
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: and educational programming. So I wanted to take a wishbone

997
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: structure or a wildcrat structure and bring it to the faith.

998
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 2: So we created a show called Halo's Heroes. It's Me,

999
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 2: my brother, and Jonathan Rumy and it's essentially a show

1000
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: where two Catholic adventurers go visit a place led by

1001
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: their mentor who's Jonathan Rumy, and he sends these brothers

1002
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 2: to a place where the saints actually walked, and he says,

1003
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: you guys are having conflicts in your brotherly life, You're

1004
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 2: going to go walk in the footsteps of a saint

1005
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: and I'm going to transport you back in time and

1006
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 2: you're going to go on an adventure with that real saint,

1007
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: so it's live action and animation.

1008
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: Don't let Jonathan send you on the Saint Cecilia. Oh yeah, adventure.

1009
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: You lose your head and you don't want to do that.

1010
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: That may not be There are a few of the saints.

1011
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, how do you do that? Saint Rita? Yes, eyeballs,

1012
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: Maybe skip that one? Yeah, okay, yeah, of course I

1013
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: go right to that macomm Yeah. Maybe I go to

1014
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 1: somebody else who might be for adults, teens and adults. Yes, okay,

1015
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: there is an a Royal Grande questionnaire that I asked

1016
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: everybody who sits here. He's a rapid fire, but they're

1017
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: very important. David Ham, I'm ready. Who is the person

1018
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: you most admire?

1019
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: My father? Oh?

1020
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: Why?

1021
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: You know? He faced great financial hardship in two thousand

1022
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: and eight. He came from nothing. He built a very

1023
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: successful real estate company in Arizona. Again, came from nothing

1024
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 2: and lost it all, lost everything. I saw him. We

1025
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 2: had cars pulled out of our driveway. He had, you know,

1026
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 2: literally hundreds of homes being built at the time in

1027
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: eight in Arizona, and he lost everything and he had

1028
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 2: a friend commit suicide. Actually, he lost so much money

1029
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 2: and he didn't quit. He didn't quit, He wasn't crushed.

1030
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: I mean, if I lost everything that I've worked for

1031
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 2: right now with my wife and kids, I just built

1032
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 2: a home in Arizona for my family, home in Idaho

1033
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: for my family. Like if I lost that, I did,

1034
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: literally built my mom's dream home. Gone lost it, handed

1035
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 2: the keys back to the bank before he even moved in.

1036
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: And he lost everything, and he did not give up.

1037
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 2: He said this, I'm going to pursue something else. Now,

1038
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: he changed careers and he pursued a completely different career

1039
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 2: and he became a producer, actually started getting in film

1040
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: and TV, and that led to us joining forces. And

1041
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 2: now we started a company together and we worked together.

1042
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: But my father, because I saw how much stress the

1043
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: lawsuits that everything. I mean, anyone who had he had

1044
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: two he had two hotels, massive hotels, like anyone who

1045
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 2: had a lot of property in Arizona in particular, were

1046
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 2: really hurt, were really hurt, I mean illegally by the banks.

1047
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 2: A lot of the stuff that they did was not ethical,

1048
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: and yeah, it was bad.

1049
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: So my father, who do you despise?

1050
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 2: Despise I despise, you know, because I just made a

1051
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: series on beauty and I was in Rome and I

1052
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 2: saw all the most beautiful stuff. Yeah, abstract artists.

1053
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: Only one person, a whole class of people.

1054
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: Pollock just throw the artists. Wow, you know. And I

1055
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: know I'm gonnaupset a lot of people over that statement, but.

1056
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm with you one hundred percent.

1057
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: You know, it's just it's nothing.

1058
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 1: It's a blight to the eye.

1059
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: It's an eyesore, and it's it's it's it's it's it

1060
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 2: lacks symmetry, clarity, radiance, proportion, beauty like it is. I'm

1061
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 2: so confused. I'm so confused. I see it and I'm

1062
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 2: literally confused. Yeah, you know it because you put a

1063
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: child in front of a Pollock painting and then in

1064
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: a carbage you just watch the reaction.

1065
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, the children. The child always knows.

1066
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: The child knows, like I sho, look at the reaction.

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Speaker 2: It's built in us.

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Speaker 1: So I just right, Okay, what's your best feature?

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Speaker 2: My humility? No, my humility? Yeah no, no, no, I

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Speaker 2: I feel like that that that's that's not fundation like

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00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 2: at that. But but my you know, I I work

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Speaker 2: really hard on trying to understand everyone I'm in front of.

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00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: And so even if I'm in front of someone that

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00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 2: I disagree with, I just try really hard to know

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Speaker 2: that they are understood.

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Speaker 1: Except I know, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Just I'm still in front of a pollock painting once,

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00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: and this is a buddy of mine's house, and he

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00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: paid like thirty million dollars for this painting, and it

1080
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: was a male symbol, but it was just confusing strokes

1081
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 2: of the brush and then it was a phallic male

1082
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: symbol at the bottom and a skull at the top.

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Speaker 2: And he goes, what do you think? And I'm like,

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00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 2: I get it. Life and death, right, that's what we're

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00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: going for. But I explain it to me like it like,

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00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: is that what we're doing here? Like, and he went

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00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: on this whole thing, and I was like, here's why

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00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense to me. If you remove your

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00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: explanation from it, then I'm just coming upon horror, a

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00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: bunch of fluff, Like horror, ugly horror.

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Speaker 1: Isn't what I always say when when people are paying

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Speaker 1: one thousand dollars this eat on Broadway, everything is standing

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00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: ovation by the end, because I just dropped a grand

1094
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: it's gotta be great. You know, the price tag drives

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00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: up the excitement and enthusiasm for the work, whether it merits.

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Speaker 2: It or not. Where if I stand in front of

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00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: a Carvaggio and no one's explaining it to me, I

1098
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: can sit there and I can go WHOA. I could

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00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: sit there for an hour and get something new every minute.

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Speaker 1: It's reaching you in a different way.

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00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: It's reaching you in a different way. Yes, yes, yes, yes, okay.

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00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: The greatest virtue is what humility?

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00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: Well, Charity the great the greatest, the greatest supernatural virtues. Charity,

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00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: the greatest natural virtue. The root is humility.

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Speaker 1: What do you fear?

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00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 2: So many things? Rejection, failure, being looked at as lowly.

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00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 2: These are things I struggle with. Yes, these are things.

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00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: I started to look at you as slowly.

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00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: As a kid who as a kid who kind of

1110
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 2: paved his own path and doing his own thing. You know,

1111
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: you're always fighting. I think you always see yourself as

1112
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 2: like a I gotta make it. I gotta make it,

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00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: and you're in my business. There's no stability.

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Speaker 1: Is that the burden of the child actor? Totally totally later,

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00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: but you can't do it as a child totally.

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00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: You're totally dealing with that. Oh, as a kid, you're

1117
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 2: you're you audition for ten things. You might get one.

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00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 2: If you're really good, you might get one. But you're

1119
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: constantly being told no, you're not good enough. And so

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Speaker 2: it's still it's something I work on to this day.

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00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: I'm constantly going, I got to get rid of that.

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00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: I gotta get rid of that baggage. And I'm constantly

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00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: working to heal that. And I had good parents, so

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Speaker 2: it's like imagine coming up in this business with and

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00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: having no parents, Like you're, you're in a tough situation.

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Speaker 1: What's your favorite book and the last one you read?

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00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: Ooh, okay, that's a great question. I'm I'm reading a

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00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: couple pretty heady books right now. I'm reading a book

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00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 2: called by Tanga Ray called Mystical and Aeschetical Theology the

1130
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 2: Spiritual Life. It's a pretty dry read. And then reading

1131
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: one called How the Church Built the Western World.

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00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a good book.

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00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 2: That's a really enjoyed worry. That's a fun one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: The other one very dry, very hard.

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Speaker 1: The title is so promising, but then you start to

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Speaker 1: read it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I.

1139
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Speaker 1: Always feel that about Mystical, Mystical anything, the mystics, mystical theology.

1140
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: It all starts to dissolve. As the words are going

1141
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: into your mind, that's my gold and wet sand.

1142
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 2: You're just that's exactly right.

1143
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: But then you come across somebody like a Mother Angelico

1144
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: or John Paul the Second, and you're confronted with the

1145
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: reality of what they're what they're trying to capture on

1146
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: the page. Yes, it is pretty, it's a shocking and

1147
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: amazing thing to see up close. But reading about it

1148
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: is just no. I mean, it gains like reading about

1149
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: a flight. It's just not as fun as taking one problem.

1150
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: What does David Henry know that no one else knows?

1151
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: These questions are great? What do I know that no

1152
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 2: one else knows? I feel like people know a lot

1153
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 2: a lot about what I know.

1154
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Speaker 1: I mean, hm, no, through earned experience and your position,

1155
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: there are things you know that no.

1156
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: One We've We've touched on a lot of this child

1157
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: actor business, and I think I have a really unique

1158
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 2: view on on going through that process and trying to

1159
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 2: turn that into something positive. I think have a really

1160
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: unique view on that and then incorporating you know, your

1161
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 2: faith into into coming out of that. I have a

1162
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 2: very unique. You know, there's not there. There's not many

1163
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 2: people who have gone through the business and achieved levels

1164
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 2: of success and and come out with their with their

1165
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 2: faith intact or even found it, found it in the process.

1166
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: Well, come out sober without face tattoos. I mean, yeah,

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00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, this is pretty amazing. I'll take it. Yeah,

1168
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: I'll take it. Okay, best advice you ever received? What

1169
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: was it?

1170
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 2: There's a lot of guys, I've gotten a lot of

1171
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 2: good advice. Let's think here. Uh, you know, for a

1172
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 2: lot of people in the faith space, they'll like this quote.

1173
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 2: There's no mission without margin. So unless you're straight nonprofit, like,

1174
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 2: if you're on a mission, you got to take care

1175
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: of people along the way. You got to make sure

1176
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: that you're returning people their money, you're achieving your mission.

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00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: It's a hard balance. I just I love that phrase

1178
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 2: and I love that statement. Another one that I really

1179
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 2: like for younger people is friendship is like an elevator.

1180
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 2: It brings you up or it brings you down. And

1181
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 2: that was my buddy Alejandro Monteverde who directed Sound of Freedom,

1182
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: and that one has stuck with me because you really

1183
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 2: are who you surround yourself, absolutely and you really become that.

1184
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: And so if you're surrounding yourself with people who are

1185
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: smarter than you, stronger than you, better than you, more

1186
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: virtuous than you, you become, you're gonna be called, You're

1187
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 2: going to You're gonna rise to that occasion. I think

1188
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 2: that's a really important for people to surround themselves with

1189
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: young people, especially surround yourself with people you want to become.

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00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: My dad always told me that too. He goes, if

1191
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the

1192
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: wrong room. Like, make sure that you're in a room

1193
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 2: with very smart and these people will bring you up.

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00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they sharpen you. My great grandmother used to say,

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00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: show me your friends, They'll show you what you're made of.

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00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: Amen to a great line.

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00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: Amen.

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Speaker 1: Your biggest regret.

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Speaker 2: My biggest My biggest regret, My biggest regret is that

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00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: I left the faith at an early age. I mean,

1201
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: that's my biggest regret. Like I would have loved to

1202
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: have I formed bad habits right when I went off,

1203
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 2: when I went my teen years and I went off

1204
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: the I went off the rails a bit like that,

1205
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 2: get bad habits, And I would have loved to have

1206
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: stuck with that in an early age, I would have

1207
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 2: had that concretized in me. That would have been good.

1208
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Speaker 1: If you weren't doing this, what would you be doing? Uh?

1209
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Speaker 2: You know, Raymond, I didn't go to college. I don't

1210
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 2: have a degree. Like I'm like, what would I do?

1211
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 2: It'd be something with something in sales, something with selling,

1212
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 2: because if I get motivated by something, I can move

1213
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 2: people in in something I believe in. So something with

1214
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 2: selling a vision. I don't know real estate selling, you know,

1215
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 2: something with something with a vision, or.

1216
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: The family business.

1217
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: Yes that family I wor gone in the family business.

1218
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Final question, what happens when this is over?

1219
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 2: It's a great question because every actor, every actor fears

1220
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 2: this question. It's the greatest fear because they get on

1221
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 2: a show and for the first time they have stability.

1222
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 2: They're on something that works for an extended period of

1223
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 2: time and that might go for years. Like actors don't

1224
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 2: know that, they don't know what they're doing next month.

1225
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 2: So this is a deep question. It is because when

1226
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 2: the show ends, it's a tough place for an actor

1227
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: because you go, what am I doing next? What if

1228
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: I never work again? What am I doing? So for me,

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00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to getting to create and forge it,

1230
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 2: and you're still alone. Gave me this advice was like,

1231
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 2: he goes, you can only audition for so many things, kid,

1232
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: like take control of your future, take control of where

1233
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 2: you want to go. And for me, I'm really excited

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00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 2: about this fund that I have and getting to make

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00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 2: content that I think will really end packed millions of people.

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Speaker 2: So I'm excited. I'm working on it as we speak,

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01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 2: and I'm excited to continue to stand that up.

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01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: Okay, David Henry, always the friend. Thank you with delight.

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01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 2: Thank you.

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01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: Okay, here's the hole. David Henry, like a lot of us,

1241
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: had a preconceived idea of what success looked like, but

1242
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: that all got turned upside down and he suddenly found

1243
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: himself in a very different show than the one he

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01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: had imagined. That would not only be his breakout role,

1245
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: but it led to his longtime friendship with Selena Gomez

1246
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: and his branching out into other areas of the business.

1247
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: You have to at times roll with events and be

1248
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: flexible enough to recalibrate as you go. If you do

1249
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: like David, you'll find your way if you're grounded. And

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01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: the other smart thing he did was marry and have kids,

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Speaker 1: Young gen Zers. Get Cracking The Wizards Beyond Waverley Place

1252
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: Season two hits Disney Plus on October eighth, And I'm

1253
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: so glad you spent time with this. Why live a dry,

1254
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: now constricted life when if you fill it with good things,

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01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: it can flow into a broad, thriving Arroyo Grande. I'm

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01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: Raymond Arroyo. Make sure you subscribe to the show like

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01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: this episode. I hope you'll come back, and thanks for

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01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: diving in. We'll see you next time. Arroyo Grande is

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