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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number one

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Speaker 1: TANNI show. I'm joined by Illinois bohunters Frank Clark and

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Speaker 1: Clinton Fawcett to talk mature buck hunting strategies and big

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Speaker 1: Illinois white tails. All right, welcome to the Wire to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by SI Gear. And today

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Speaker 1: in the show, we're joined by two serious big buck hunters,

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Speaker 1: Frank Clark and Clinton Fawcett. And these guys hunting only

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Speaker 1: together for bow Hunting dot COM's bow Hunt or Die

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Speaker 1: web show and consistently put down mature white tails and

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Speaker 1: terriffic footage. I've been a big fan of their work

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Speaker 1: and I've actually gotten know them over the years and

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Speaker 1: they're just great guys. So today I wanted to have

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Speaker 1: them on the show to discuss exactly how they approached

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Speaker 1: their white tail seasons, how they have so much success,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to try to pry a couple of

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Speaker 1: good stories out of the two as well. So that's

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Speaker 1: the plan today and since scheduling issues prevented my trustee

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Speaker 1: co host Dan from joining me. We're going to move

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Speaker 1: things right along. That said, before we bring Clinton and

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Speaker 1: Frank on with us, we've got another great sick of

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Speaker 1: story to share with you today from Stephen capra Letty,

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Speaker 1: who last week shared one of his best white tail stories,

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Speaker 1: and today with spring Gobbler's on many of our minds.

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Speaker 1: He's back with a turkey hunting tail. And you know,

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Speaker 1: by the time we cut to the top of the mountain,

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Speaker 1: it actually started raining. Um. So we're to the point

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Speaker 1: where we just climbed up to the top, we're we're

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Speaker 1: getting sweaty. Now we're getting rained on them. Um. And

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Speaker 1: I just remember looking over at Matt and just smiling

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Speaker 1: and just laughing, like, you know, what are we doing

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Speaker 1: out here? And a break in the storm happened to

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Speaker 1: come through. I don't know what. We hit a pocket

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Speaker 1: where the ranges stopped for just a moment, and boom,

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Speaker 1: we heard this bird go off in the distance. And

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Speaker 1: he was actually not too far away down the log

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Speaker 1: he wrote from us. So I was like, hey, let's

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Speaker 1: let's make a move on the spur. Let's see what happens. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, if it keeps raining like it is, you know,

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Speaker 1: if we can't you know, get close to him, you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll probably call today. But the spurd just keeps hammering, hammering,

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Speaker 1: and I start getting on the call and I'm throwing

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Speaker 1: him everything I got with the box called mouth call

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Speaker 1: you nme and uh. I set up a little bit

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Speaker 1: behind Matt. I was actually trying to get him the bird,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted him to get his first big spring

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Speaker 1: gobbler and the birds coming in. He's coming in. M

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately for Matt, he actually dropped down towards me closer

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Speaker 1: and I ended up taking the thirty five yard shot

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Speaker 1: on him and dropping him so boom. Right away, our

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Speaker 1: morning went from miserable. You know, we're ready to call

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Speaker 1: it quits too. Hey, we have a public land spring

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Speaker 1: spring gobbler on the ground, so we're as excited as

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Speaker 1: can be. You know, we're tagging the bird. We're just

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Speaker 1: reminiscing on the hunt. And no sooner did I get

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Speaker 1: I said, time to get you a bird, and we

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Speaker 1: I hopped on the call again and just like my bird,

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Speaker 1: this bird's hot, he's hammering, he's coming right for us.

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Speaker 1: And I'd say about fifteen minutes after I dropped my bird,

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Speaker 1: we had Matt got his first spring bird there and

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Speaker 1: we post were walking out of the woods there with

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Speaker 1: a spring gobbler. On this hunt, Stephen was wearing a

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Speaker 1: can visit sitka gear dot com. And now let's get

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Speaker 1: this show kicked off all right with us. Now on

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Speaker 1: the podcast is Frank Clark and Clinton Fawcett. Welcome the show, guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thanks Mark, glad you have us on there. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for having us more. Yeah, I'm I'm excited to chat.

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Speaker 1: It has been a while since I've got to chat

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Speaker 1: with both of the same time. You know, we met

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Speaker 1: been a long term thing, Is that right, Clinton? Yes,

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Speaker 1: sometimes nearly kill each other. Has that ever happened to

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Speaker 1: you guys that one? Yeah, I mean it happens every

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Speaker 1: So how did your guys this season go this far?

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Speaker 1: So that day you guys both killed at the same time.

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Speaker 1: That if I remember right, Frank, did you kill first

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Speaker 1: kind of you know, uh, you know that usually didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: seems like they're they come in heat again and within

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Speaker 1: daylight or not? Some of you just don't moving daily.

429
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a bigger here at the house. I've

430
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: seen him one time in five years. That was this year.

431
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 1: Is the first time I've ever seen him, and he

432
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 1: just they still move in the daylight, and I'm just

433
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: don't Yeah, how much of you mentioned a cold front?

434
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 1: How much of a cold front or how much of

435
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 1: a drop in temperature do you need to see before

436
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 1: you jump in there? And do you look at any

437
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,959
Speaker 1: thing else? Are there any other weather conditions that make

438
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: you say now is the time to go? Yeah? I

439
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: look at everything. Frank is a if. Frank's a gut

440
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 1: feeling hunter and I am a analyzer hunter. I like

441
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: to look at everything and try to figure it out.

442
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: Go ahead. For the pressure hunter, he's a pressure hunter.

443
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: He watches the vermish pressures all the time. He's like,

444
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 1: it's going to jump to two points jump and that's

445
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,479
Speaker 1: just all he does is watch it. But you know,

446
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 1: I have to I have to work, and he has

447
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: to he has to get a computer and check the pressure. Well,

448
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I happen to be the boss of

449
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: the crew that i'm or I'm not necessarily the boss.

450
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: If any of the guys that that work for me

451
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 1: listen to this, they're going to tell you I'm not

452
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 1: the boss. We're equals. I'm just the guy that keeps

453
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 1: the material coming, all the paper works straight and plans

454
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: the direction that we're going to try to head as

455
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: long as the whole crew as okay with it. So yes,

456
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: I do end up in my office a lot of

457
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: times getting that stuff straight. What Frank is if we're all,

458
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: you know Frank, sometimes we're on the same job and

459
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: we're building the building. So Frank might be abut doing

460
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,719
Speaker 1: his stuff because he's a labor and i'm electricians so

461
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: and I'm in there to listen to podcasts and going

462
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: out and saying, hey, dude, the pressure is rising. It's

463
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna be thirty point four. This afternoon. We've

464
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 1: got to get out of here. We gotta go on.

465
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: And he's like, what what do you I don't feel it,

466
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,479
Speaker 1: but we're not gonna killing I don't feel like we're

467
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: gonna kill anything. We're not gonna kill one. While I

468
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: know a lot of times he's right, you know, you

469
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: just you know how it is. You just have that

470
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: feeling that it's gonna happen a lot of times like

471
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: you just you just know, Like like when Frank killed

472
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: that deer this year in the morning, we just it

473
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 1: just had that feeling it was gonna happen. And we

474
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: never go back out and hunt after we shoot one.

475
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:50,959
Speaker 1: We don't ever get in a hurry like that and

476
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: go back out and and we and we would never

477
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: go down the woods in the evening at four o'clock.

478
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 1: We would never do that. But it just goes to

479
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: show you that's aggressive hunting, right, I mean, or or

480
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: lucky rout hunting. You know, we're just Frank hadok gout

481
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: feeling and called said, hey, let's go ahead and go again.

482
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 1: This is where we ought to go. So we went

483
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: and we weren't in there fifteen and twenty minutes. Here

484
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: you come, did you guys, make that dive because you

485
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 1: had just been seeing that more that morning and the

486
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,719
Speaker 1: days before that. It was just like absolutely on and

487
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 1: you had to be out there or was it literally

488
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: just like the feeling you just had a feeling. Uh.

489
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: I was on your the Rut report three days before

490
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 1: that and said, I don't think it's going to be

491
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: any good to go hunting after like Friday because of

492
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: the way the weather was. And then Frank and I

493
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: went out and killed two on Saturday on gut feelings.

494
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: So well, there you go on my anny. Would you

495
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: would you add anything on that? Frank? Uh No? I

496
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 1: mean true, wee is the weekends are pretty much doing

497
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: the w's win. It's the rut you have. You know,

498
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 1: we only get so many days off work. So truthfully,

499
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: if if there's any kind of a pole front or anything,

500
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: we might not get real aggressive and go you know,

501
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,239
Speaker 1: in our best spots if it's not right. But if

502
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: it's the rut and it's it's the weekend and we

503
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, Clinton boy don't have about a football game

504
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: or you know, we got time to where we can hunt,

505
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: and then we try to hunt, I mean, I mean,

506
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do if it's the rut you never know,

507
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: but it's to the point where you don't go your

508
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: best spot unless you you know, you know and you

509
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: have that gut or you know that you're waiting for

510
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: that the one with the right wind, or you know,

511
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: just waiting for the right time to get in there. Yeah,

512
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: how do you guys use the wind? Um? You know,

513
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: if you've heard some of these pass ones, maybe you

514
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: have clinton where we've talked to guys about you know,

515
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: some people always want to make sure the winds always

516
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: in their favor, and then other guys say, are you

517
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: want to get the buck to try to have the

518
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: win in his favor and you kinda be off the edge?

519
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: How do you guys approach that we've got We've got

520
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: several spots where we've been very successful where the wind

521
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: blows not not not right at them, but it blows

522
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: really close to him. Um, it seems like if it's

523
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: not the first week of season and they're in kind

524
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: of dumb mode, Like the deer I killed last year, Um,

525
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: opening night, he came with the wind at his butt

526
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: the whole way. I mean just and and he was

527
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: a big, old mature deer. I mean he just but

528
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: he'd been coming in there all the time, you know,

529
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: he was just kind of dumb mode. And we've even

530
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: had a deer blow when I was ready to gather

531
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: get out of the blind and Frank's like, a dude,

532
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: let's just stay. We're already back here, you know. And

533
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: then Frank's like, there he is. You've gotta be kidding me.

534
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: And then you know that the deer opening night this

535
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: year did the same thing. He come with the wind,

536
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: but the whole way. But it seems like after they

537
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: get out that dumb summer mode the middle of October

538
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: and maybe they're getting a little hunting pressure, we have

539
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: really good luck if we can get the wind paralleling

540
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: where they're coming at, not blowing right at them, but

541
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: if you can get it blown towards them and then

542
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: come off to the side of it, it's it seems

543
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: like we just see a lot more gear. If you

544
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: were in a situation like that where it's kind of tight,

545
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of risky, and you're get in the tree,

546
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: but then you realize that the wind shifted a little

547
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: bit and now it's it's blown right towards where you

548
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: were thinking they would be coming from. Are you guys

549
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: the type that would sit it out and hope that

550
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: they come from a different direction, or do you just

551
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: get down and move all that? Frank answer that one. Um,

552
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: it just happen on the time of year, I think more. Um,

553
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 1: if it's early, yeah, we usually climbed down and get

554
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: out there and go sit somewhere else. Um, if it's

555
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: early enough, or we just go back to the truck

556
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: and go. But if it's in the rut, I think,

557
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, there's more of a chance of about coming

558
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: from anywhere cruising. Um. But that's that's pretty much how

559
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: how would we do it? I mean it kind of Oh,

560
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: that was kind of going and forth, I guess. But

561
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: early season, we definitely do not want to mess anything up,

562
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: like the first week October and you know you have

563
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: a good deer in an area that you can kill

564
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: him if everything is right. Yeah. Yeah. What speaking of

565
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: wind and stuff, what do you guys do from a

566
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: scent control perspective, Frank, Um, do you guys obsess over

567
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: that or or what's your take? Um? Yeah, I mean

568
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: we we do the best we can, especially early season.

569
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean you really, you know, when you're only hunting

570
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: the evenings pretty much you know, you can take better

571
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: better care of your clothes a little. You know, you

572
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: can wash them, you know more, or you can you know,

573
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: make sure you put them in your ozone bag more often.

574
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: But when like when the when the rut is on

575
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: and you're hunting morning to night, when you have you know,

576
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: three or four days off or you take some days

577
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: off work, I think you we lack you know, we

578
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: lack on the scent control a little bit. But I

579
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: mean with the products they have now and the sprays, mean,

580
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: we have dead down land and we have all of

581
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: our you know, the stuff we is and I think

582
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: it nothing needs a hundred percent, but stuff does help. Yeah,

583
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: would you would you have anything? Whinn No? No, I

584
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: mean something, dude. Sometimes we just don't ever hunt with

585
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: the wind being wrong because we'll go straight from work,

586
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: straight to the tree and you know, you got your

587
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: your your clothing, your sincrush your bag and everything's clean,

588
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: but you're just you know, Frank might have been grinding

589
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: concrete walls all day and and cover and dust and

590
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, who knows what I've been doing. I would

591
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: have been listening to podcasts or maybe I've been actually

592
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: working and I'm sweating everything else, and you just you know,

593
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: you just don't there's no getting around it. You either

594
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: don't go hunting or you go hunting in the in

595
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: the conditions that you have. And when you do that,

596
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: that's fine, but you just cannot hunt when the wind's wrong.

597
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: And sometimes that just totally you know, it cuts your

598
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: percentage of seeing a big deer way down or seeming

599
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: close story one too, because the wind's not blowing towards him.

600
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: And when we're stinky like that coming straight from work,

601
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: we tend to get way out on the edge and

602
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: and we've got a lot of good stands that have

603
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: great access that we can hunt. You know, the older

604
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: we've got and we've had kids, we've we're all we're

605
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: working all the time. We have less and less time

606
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: every year, and so we've got to maximize the time

607
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: we get in the tree. And you know, where it

608
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: used to be we wouldn't go hunting if we only

609
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,239
Speaker 1: had an hour and a half. Now we'll go. So

610
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: we've got spots with better access. It's easy to get

611
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: into and just you know, you can't kill one if

612
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: you're not in the tree. Yeah, we just gotta We

613
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: got a listeners submitted question not too long ago. Um

614
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: actually actually asked him about this a very thing. They said,

615
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, for someone who's working fifty sixty hours a week,

616
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: how can you maximize your hunting time, whether that be

617
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: the amount of time or make the most of the

618
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: limited amount of hunting time that you have. It sounds

619
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: like you guys are in that kind of situation, Um, Clinton,

620
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: how do you guys, you know, how have you guys

621
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: been a transition now with families and kids and work

622
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: and everything. How do you make the most of the

623
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: time you do have? Well, we you know, we first

624
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: of all, we try to hunt when it's right, you

625
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: know what it used to be. We felt a lot hurt, right,

626
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: I felt a lot of pressure filming to you know,

627
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: do good and and we're always trying to kill the year.

628
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: So we're going a lot, and you know, going a lot,

629
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: and it's not the answer a lot of times the

630
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: hunting leap. You know, hunting fewer times a year is

631
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: probably better because you're not alerting as many deer. But

632
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: but the thing that we did or that I have

633
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: out of the house, Um, you know, we've got it

634
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: set up on a lot of edges and food plots

635
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: to have great access, and other farms that way too,

636
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: So even if we have an hour and a half

637
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: and it's right, we've got spots that we can slide into,

638
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: excuse me, where maybe it's not the greatest chance you're

639
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: going to kill one, but you're still there and it

640
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: could happen and you're not going to boot it up

641
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: too bad being in there. I mean, we've got a

642
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: couple stands over my mother and father in law that

643
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: you could literally hunt. I mean, I'm not telling you

644
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: can hunt them every night, but if there's a south wind,

645
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: you can get in and out of there. And unless

646
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: they're right underneath of you when it's dark, they never

647
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: know you were there. And and it's just a good spot.

648
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: I feel like if a guy is trying to hunt

649
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: and doesn't have time, you know you can't not go,

650
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: so you gotta you gotta try to find ways to

651
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: hunt the edges and find words where you have great

652
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: access that you're not blowing any deer out because they

653
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: say you're coming. Think you park your truck down gravel

654
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: road and you're coming up a drawl to the field right,

655
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: and maybe you're not in a spot where the deer bed,

656
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: so you're not gonna blowing out and getting in there.

657
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: And if you slide up to the field and get

658
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: up on your sticks to climb up your tree and

659
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of deer clothes out in the field,

660
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: drop back down and and go back to the truck,

661
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 1: you know, Or you can slide up there and hey,

662
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: it's a half hour four, it's dark, nothing too, I'm

663
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: gonna jump in here real quick, and five minutes later

664
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: you feel a good one. You know, you just you

665
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: gotta go. You know, we're not all professional hunters and

666
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: have a lot of time, and that's just you know,

667
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: I feel like you can't kill it if you're not

668
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: in the tree, and you just gotta make everything that

669
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: your advantage where you can get there quickly and efficiently

670
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: as you can do. Do you actually think about that

671
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: when you guys are setting up stands in the off

672
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: season or in the past, like, hey, we have to

673
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: have a certain number stands set up for those last

674
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: minute hunts I've got about. I mean all the stands

675
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: on my at my house that are on the food

676
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 1: plots are set up for last minute hunts. I mean

677
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: you don't have to have you are coming in high

678
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: where the deer can't see you and you can get

679
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: there quickly. I mean, if I take the kids, I

680
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: take my kids forty five minutes before it gets dark. Yeah,

681
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: and I'll drive the truck. If they're dear there, I'll

682
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: drive the truck back and run them off first, and

683
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: then we'll go back. It's a great idea for especially

684
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: for guys you know, trying to get in a few

685
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: extra hunts, you know, in the evenings after work, just

686
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: to specifically make sure you've got a spot or two

687
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: that's low impact. So, like you said, I mean, it's

688
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: always this line we're walking between. You know, you can't

689
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: kill any friend you're if you're not out there. But

690
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: then to your point earlier, and always talk about this too.

691
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: You know, if you're hunting at the wrong times too much,

692
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: then you pressure them. So it's like, how do you

693
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: make sure you put yourself in a position to still

694
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: have opportunities but not screw it up. And this seems

695
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: like a great way to do it to you know,

696
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: specifically planned for having a couple of these spots that

697
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: are low impact, easy to get into, even if it's

698
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: you know, later in the morning or later in the evening. Um,

699
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, I like that. Frank, would you would

700
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: you say there's anything else as far as you know,

701
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: making the most of limited time or maximizing your hunting

702
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: time that you would offer. No. I mean it's just

703
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: you got you like said you gotta hunt. And I

704
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: mean like a lot of our spots where we have

705
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: where we can slide into a stand. I mean we're

706
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: only parking that we have a spots. You gotta have

707
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: spots to the parker truck. That's another plate thing that

708
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: we do or do react to. You know, if you're

709
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: trucks sitting on the side of the road, No. Nine

710
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: of the ten time deer comes out seas your truck.

711
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: A lot of times they go back in. So we

712
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: have like we'll even we got areas where little low

713
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: spots that we park our trucks and you know we

714
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: only have to go six or seventy year eighty yards

715
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: to get up in a tree. But you know, the

716
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: deer there is no way the deer can see your

717
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: truck days. I mean, we have a lot of spots

718
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: to Clint's house that we park our truck within you know,

719
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: a hundred yards of the tree. H Yeah, you know,

720
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: you've got to use all that stuff to your advantage,

721
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, parking, parking in low spots, parking the ditches

722
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: on the side of the road. You know, the stuff

723
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: you have to look for, you know, when you're out scouting,

724
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, where can I park? Where can I get

725
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: in here? You know, especially if you've got kids, are

726
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: like Frank like to take his grandpa, you know, so

727
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: you can get them back their clothes and either drop

728
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: them off or park within a hundred yards. And you know,

729
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: you just got to think about that and set in

730
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: your farm up because a lot of people think, man,

731
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: I gotta get this foot plot stuck clear down in here,

732
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be great. And yeah, it might be

733
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: if you're if you're marking terry and you can go

734
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: hunt when it's the very perfect day to get in there.

735
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: But for us, you know, you were more guys on

736
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: the outside looking in, trying to get the beer to

737
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: come out, and and it's you know, it's very efficient

738
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: if you can park your truck somewhere a where they

739
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: can't see it and be it's close to where you're going,

740
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: because you can always run do get run off of

741
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: the truck every time side drives down to gravel road,

742
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: so they're not you know, you blow one out of

743
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: the truck, you know they'll get in the tree that

744
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: might come back out in fifteen minutes. Yeah, you know,

745
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: you just never know. Do you guys do anything other

746
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: than other than set ups like this? Do you do

747
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: anything to create better access routes? I mean, do you

748
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: make trails or cut areas out, or use any specific

749
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: type of terrain to to access places just to limit

750
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: that impact? Specifically? Clinton? Yeah, Yeah, most of our stuff

751
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: is in ditches. We we access uh through ditches are

752
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: up the creeks. We've got them cut low spots. You know,

753
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: I've got most of stuff trimmed out over here at

754
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: the house and then I go, we've got some log

755
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: in road access here up but uh up at our

756
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: my mother and father in laws, we've got great access

757
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: coming in underneath all the deer always in the in

758
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: the bottom, and it's got a bunch of that Russian

759
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: olive mulberry. I don't know what it is. It's it's

760
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: you just thicker and crap, and we've got trails cut

761
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: through it, and it's it's great cover for sliding the tree. Um.

762
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: But yeah, we always try to have good access where

763
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: we're coming in underneath in the creek and and undetected. Yeah,

764
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: you talked a little bit about UM scouting for you know,

765
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: spots like that where you can park your truck easily

766
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: and stuff like that other than trout cameras. How much

767
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: scouting do you guys actually do? And I mean are

768
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: you is it post season scouting or is it in

769
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: season scouting? And what kind of stuff you're looking for? Frank,

770
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: maybe take that first. Um, we do a lot. I

771
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: mean I do a lot of scouting. I'm I like everything.

772
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: So I squirrel hunt a lot and it starts in August.

773
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: So a lot of times when I'm squirrel hunting, I

774
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: look for you know, the white oak trees that are

775
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: that are they have a lot of nuts on them,

776
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: and just the little things. We'll try to find a

777
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: lot of pinch points. Uh. I like hunting pinch sports

778
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: a lot. But like that's pretty much what I do.

779
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: A lot of my scouting is is you know, in

780
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: August and when I'm squirrel hunting a lot, I I

781
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: just love just just keep track of what what trees

782
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: are producing nuts that year. I mean, like the last

783
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: couple of years. The white oaks haven't really been Ben't

784
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: that really that good for us? Um, But there's been

785
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: a lot of little red oaks and pin oaks that

786
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: were dropping along the edge of fields and stuff. So

787
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I do. I I love me

788
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: and my dad squirrel hunt have since I have a

789
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: little kids, so we kind of still do that. And

790
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: then I just kind of keep track of, oh, what

791
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: what trees are producing that year, because not every you know,

792
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: not every year a tree will produce nuts. Would you

793
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: have anything on that? Clinton? Well, I I keep more

794
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: of a uh, you know, hired the house. You can

795
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: all be more of a scheduled approach of I guess

796
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: when the deer showed up from the year before, um,

797
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: you know a lot of our deer lake season, um,

798
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: depending on the cry rotations and that stuff. They're back.

799
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: You know. Right now we are kind of learning the

800
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: farm again at the house because we logged the whole

801
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: thing and we cut six hundred trees off of the

802
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: farm and it has made it and an absolute debacle

803
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: to say the least. It's bad. It's it's it's bad

804
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: enough that Frankie won't shed hunt some of it, and

805
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: he would quit deer hunting if he had to choose

806
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: between shed hunting and deer hunting. And there it is

807
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: just a it is a mess in there. So we're

808
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: we are trying to have to really we are relearning

809
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: that aspect of it. And you know, like right now

810
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: is a great time to where you can see to

811
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: be able to check it out. But but a lot

812
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: of a lot of our scouting it seems like anymore, um,

813
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: you know, we we we just go on the past season.

814
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: You know, on on certain gear now you will have

815
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: new gear show up. But since the h D we

816
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: haven't had a lot of new gear show up. Um,

817
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: but but we have had some. But but most of

818
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: the scouting is past year's drake cameras on my court,

819
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: all right, So I think this is a good place

820
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: to take a quick break for a word from a

821
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: couple of our partners. And as I mentioned briefly last week,

822
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: White Tailed Properties has recently come on boarders support of

823
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: the wire Hunt podcast, and today and on future episodes

824
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: will be hearing from a selection of their land specialist

825
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, guys that are super serious white tail hunters

826
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: and land managers, and they're gonna be sharing quick tips

827
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: in regards to hunting, habitat management and land and so

828
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: today wire hunt producers Spencer new Hearth Touch based with

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00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: the White Tailed Properties land specialist Jake Ealinger TA kicks

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00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: off this week with White Tail Properties. We are joined

831
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: by Jake Ealinger, a land specialist out of southeastern Michigan,

832
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: and Jake is gonna be telling us about what are

833
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: some of the common mistakes people make when looking to

834
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: improve habitat. Probably one of the biggest problems I see

835
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: if people don't develop a plan first. What they do

836
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: is they just you know, take off and they plan

837
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: a food plot here and hang one or two, and

838
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: they don't consider um where they're parking their vehicle, how

839
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: they're entering and exiting that property so that they can

840
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: safely get in and then also we without constantly a

841
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: bumping deer. So that's probably one of the biggest mistakes

842
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: I see, because you know, some properties you can only

843
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: access from one section. Other properties you might set on

844
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: a corner where you have a south road and a

845
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: east road, so you've got two different areas to park.

846
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Speaker 1: So putting that into consideration is really important for your

847
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Speaker 1: long range success. If you'd like to learn more and

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857
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861
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867
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868
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Speaker 1: I mean as It's been discussed on wire to hunt

869
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Speaker 1: a zillion times. Terrain is just as important, UH and

870
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Speaker 1: that we will now get back to the show. Speaking

888
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: of you talked about something there a second ago, um

889
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: changing crap rotation, and it just made me think of

890
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: a question I always ask myself, which is you know,

891
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: most a lot of these farms in the Midwest, and

892
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: really a lot of places across the country there usually

893
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: if there's crops on it, they're rotating between corn and beans,

894
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: corn and beans, back and forth every year. Um, have

895
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: you guys ever found that one or the other is better?

896
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: Do you think that the being years are better than

897
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: the corn years or vice versa, Clint, have you seen that?

898
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: I think the corn years are always better. Like this

899
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: year we struggled late season because our neighbor's farm was

900
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: was all corn on his side, all corn stocks. And

901
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: now next year it will all be being stocks and

902
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: this side of the farm will be on fire. Um,

903
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: knock on wood. I shouldn't say that and try to

904
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: predict anything, but it is a very you know, this

905
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: year didn't get very cold, so the deer weren't in

906
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: the standing soybeans. But next year we will have all

907
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: them so they were they were in the just corn

908
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: stocks and out grazing, you know what I mean. And

909
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: now next year we'll have all the corn stocks on

910
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 1: our side of the farm, plus we'll have our standing

911
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: food plots on the other side of the farm that

912
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: my neighbor's own. They will it will be all bean

913
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: stocks and a little bit of corn, so we will

914
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: have a lot more deer. Um. It seems like our

915
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: later season hunting is a lot better on those years. Yeah,

916
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of what I've seen too, um,

917
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: especially even when I guess I don't know what you

918
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: guys think about this, but there's always that other dilemma

919
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: of on the corn ears when you have standing corn,

920
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, is that a help or hindrance too? Because

921
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: you were there's all those deer in there, and I've

922
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: got to fire my hunt that is really open. And

923
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: so when when there's not corn out there, there's just

924
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: hardly any cover, so they're not they doesn't hold a

925
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: lot of deer. When there is standing corn holds a

926
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 1: lot of deer and they kind of come in and

927
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: out of the corn. So it's usually a good thing.

928
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: But once it comes out, then you just lose so

929
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: many deer. Um. How do you guys into the standing cornty?

930
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: Is that a good thing or a bad thing for

931
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: you guys? Frank Um, I I like the standing corn,

932
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: but to a to a point, you know, early early

933
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: in the year, I really like it because, like you said,

934
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: it's easy to get into. Um, make sure where you

935
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: can get into your get into your stands a little

936
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: bit easier. We go a lot of times. I'll go

937
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: and I'll take a machete and trim trim a path

938
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: down through the corn field where we can. You know,

939
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: you guys might have to walk a long ways, but

940
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: he has it's a pretty pretty good walk into into

941
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: your stands. Um. But I mean, just like we were

942
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: talking just a minute, you asked Clint that question about

943
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: prop rotation. It's complication now is so much of a

944
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: point that we we look at because truthfully, the farmers

945
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: now have had their harvest is so early that they

946
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: work everything. So if you have you might still have

947
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: a corn field, but yet it's worked. And then you

948
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: have one neighbor that didn't work any of it, you know,

949
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: didn't have the head as all the stocks and did

950
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: not work anything, and it seemed like the deer or

951
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, they go around the stock. That's just if

952
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: we have the Clinton's field this year that they the

953
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: first time they worked it in a long time, and

954
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: I think it made a big difference, big difference in

955
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: the deer we saw there. So you're saying they they

956
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: chisel plotted afterwards, you say you when we're saying that

957
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: they worked it, and so then they're going to places

958
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: where it hasn't been plot under. Is that what you're saying.

959
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: I would say of the cornfield around where we're at

960
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: or where we hunt around here got worked this year

961
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: in October? Wow? Yeah, that changes things. Or clover and chicker.

962
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: Your clover and chickering now from mix because I can

963
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 1: control that and I can know it when the kids

964
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: aren't home. Um, just whatever throughout the summer and take

965
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: care of it. So, but but we depend a lot

966
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: on that early season green food source. We've had tremendous

967
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: luck with it with the oates and rye in the

968
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: rash and turn ups. Hopefully the clover and stuff will

969
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: turn out the same. I'm sure it will. Um. But

970
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: our late season revolve is most around the beans. Um.

971
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: But it seems like our weather patterns have changed so

972
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: much because it used to get really cold, and the

973
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 1: beans where the ticket. Man, I mean, you just couldn't

974
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 1: beat them. It was the it was the cat's meat.

975
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: You couldn't you couldn't plant enough beans. And now like

976
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: this you're doesn't get cold. And if you had standing corn,

977
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: you know, we're allowed to We're allowed to knocks them

978
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: down in Illinois if you want, you can do what

979
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: you want with it. But the deer will always eat corn.

980
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: They'll always eat it, and they don't want to eat

981
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 1: those beans unless it's like crazy cold. Did you guys

982
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: see the deer hitting green food sources later in December

983
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: differently than usual because of those that warmer than usual temperature.

984
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: I've heard that from a number of people. That stuff

985
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 1: that usually you wouldn't expect them to be on in December,

986
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: they were because of those warmer temperatures. But if they

987
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: had the brows, the brows were more than anything that

988
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: I that I've seen this year. You would have deer

989
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 1: like would come out into the food or out into

990
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: a corn field and then they go right back in

991
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: and then they just be in the timber just browsing on,

992
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: you know, anything that they could they wanted to eat.

993
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, it was really really weird year. Like

994
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: the deer just they just didn't have to to search

995
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: for food there was they could pretty much just go

996
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: wherever they wanted to eat whatever they wanted. They didn't

997
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 1: there wasn't a really a late season pattern. I mean

998
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: there was. You might see ten one night, the next

999
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: night you might see it. Just it was weird. Did

1000
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: you see something different? Cliner basically the same type of situation,

1001
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: but basically saying I mean, I mean the grass. You

1002
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: know that there was still green grass in the woods

1003
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: in in January. You know on on south Face and

1004
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: hillsides are in the pastures, and the deer, you know

1005
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: that when they're pressured that much, you know they've been

1006
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: through a whole hunting season. You know, you know there's

1007
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: a lot of people that hunt around here, and when

1008
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: they when every deer has been pressured by human at

1009
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: some time, they don't want to get out if they

1010
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: don't have to. And that's the key to the late

1011
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: season food plots, when it gets so cold that they

1012
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: got to eat. Man, we're in the fault. We're in

1013
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: the money. I mean, we have great, great late season

1014
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: and we had some good ones this year, just we've

1015
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: never had the target deer we were after come out

1016
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: and that we passed up some really nice deering. Frank

1017
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: passed up eight point and I passed. We found both

1018
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: both sides doing so we know he scores. I passed

1019
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: up hundred fifty ten pointer. It's on both side the

1020
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: ham um just so. So we had a a good

1021
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: late season, just not to the caliber of late season

1022
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: hunting are used to. And that's because of the weather

1023
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: and all the brows in the woods, because if they don't,

1024
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: they never even ate the beans like I dissed them under.

1025
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 1: And there was I've never in my lifetime and planting

1026
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: food plots in ten years ever had soybeans left ever,

1027
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: and this year I would say there was at least

1028
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: sev of the crop that I planned was still there.

1029
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: And that was the man and I've never ever seen

1030
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: to have any And it was because all the brows

1031
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: and the deer just wanted to spread out. I mean

1032
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: they never really even grouped up, you know, they just

1033
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: kind of stayed just doing whatever, eating twigs, browsing on coin,

1034
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: eating grass, it seemed like to me. Yeah, So so

1035
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: how did that change your How did that change your

1036
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: late season strategy? Because I feel like for me and

1037
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people, right you always think that, you know,

1038
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: when it comes to late season, I'm going to be careful,

1039
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: but when I hunt, I'm just gonna wait and hunt

1040
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: those you know those great cold days where there's the snow,

1041
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: where the frigid temperatures, and they're gonna come flocking into

1042
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: my great late season food. I mean, that's like your stereotypical,

1043
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: perfect late season set up. But what happens on a

1044
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: year like this maybe where you don't get that, where

1045
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: it's December fift through the end of December and it's

1046
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: just warm and balmy. I mean, what do you do

1047
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 1: to that situation? Do you just go to your typical

1048
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: late season food and hope it works out, or what

1049
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: do you guys do there? You gotta have a you

1050
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: gotta have a diverse food plot. You know, a lot

1051
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: of our bigger food plots we've got green and grain

1052
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: in the same food plot, so you can, you know,

1053
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: you can be on the deer even when it's warm.

1054
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: But like here at the house, we're not set up

1055
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: like that, uh in the same spot. So you know,

1056
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: one of the spots we usually have tremendous success and

1057
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: it's just strange standing beans and the deer didn't come

1058
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: to him. Were also we just we we tried to

1059
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: hunt them because it's ingrained in our head that that's

1060
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: where we need to go. But we just didn't have

1061
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 1: any success there. Um, so we just had to pull

1062
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: off of them and start hunting some of that green,

1063
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: green food sources, even though you know, necessarily it might

1064
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: not have been a deer that we wanted to shoot,

1065
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: but at least we were still going hunting. Yeah. Yeah, weird,

1066
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: weird weather. It'll be interesting to see if if things

1067
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: get back to normal. It's coming here. But um, did

1068
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: you guys see shed hunting impacted by this warm winter?

1069
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: Because for me and a lot of people, I feel

1070
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: like it's been a rough shed hunting year and I've

1071
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: kind of pointed the finger at this really mild bomby winter.

1072
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: Frank of you guys you've seen that too. Yeah, I

1073
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of deer. I mean even right

1074
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: now there's still deer old horns, which is really really crazy. Um.

1075
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: I mean I've had a decent year, but I've probably

1076
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: went more than than than the average person. Um. I

1077
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: get off work at at two thirties, so I probably

1078
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: go three or four nights a week. You know, we're

1079
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: walked for four or five miles. Um. But I mean

1080
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: I fund thirty two so far, but I have not

1081
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: found I've not found any big big horns. I've found

1082
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: one off of like maybe a one forty and then

1083
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: all the rest or smaller. My wife did find it

1084
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: nice that one night I took her um. But truthfully,

1085
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the deer that they're just

1086
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: so spread out that that you just gotta put a

1087
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: lot of miles on. I mean, none of them. I

1088
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: usually have a good, you know spot that I always find.

1089
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: You know, you find two or three or four or

1090
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: five in a in an area about every year, you know,

1091
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: and nothing like that. This year they were just you

1092
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: find one here and one there, and this every they

1093
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,919
Speaker 1: were just spread out for a long way. Yeah, that's

1094
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: kind of what I've been here. And where were you Clinton? Yeah,

1095
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: I mean I I I leave the shed out and

1096
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: almost exclusive to Frank because I get shooting snow geese

1097
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: and then I and I just forget about everything. Snow

1098
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: Geese is my is that, you know, that's my thing,

1099
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: like Frank, like shed hunting. I love snow or something.

1100
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: But I did take the life and the kids one

1101
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: day up just pick up cameras. Then I found we

1102
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: found uh six um just out of the almost all

1103
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: five of them out of the minivan. Driving in a

1104
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: grass a grass road to get the camera. Um, and

1105
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: they were on the green grass and then UM, I

1106
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: was like, man, look at all these ship this is

1107
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: this is awesome. We're just gonna tear him up. So

1108
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: I called Frank and we walked the whole farm that afternoon.

1109
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: I hear the house. We found it too, which was

1110
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: a set off the deer that Frank had passed up

1111
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: and they were laid out in little Cornfield. So it

1112
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: just with the guys that I've talked to and with

1113
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: Frank and and some our other bodys have said it,

1114
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: it's just very very sporadic, and there is still I

1115
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 1: mean as of last week. Um. One of the guys

1116
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: that hunt here post the house, check his camera last

1117
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: weekend he had eight bucks um that we're still holding,

1118
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: both sides, and he said they were between a hundred

1119
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: pen and a hundred deer all of them. So it's

1120
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, I don't have any cameras out

1121
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: because unfortunately have to pick all my stuff up because

1122
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: people get sliding around and you lose them. UM. So

1123
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: I don't have any cameras out for any type of

1124
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: inventory to see what's there. Um. But you know, a

1125
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: lot of people still been seeing bucks on both sides. Yeah,

1126
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: I actually just saw on both sides today. Um it

1127
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: was a young deer, but um but still I was

1128
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: just about April. They're still they're still clinging on. So

1129
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I can remember one year I was with Josh,

1130
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: Frankminbly with us. We were we were over by his

1131
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: farm where Josh killed that uh ten point and we

1132
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: had a big eight pointer come out and it was

1133
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 1: the first week of Turkey season. It's like the fift

1134
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: April and he he ran across the road right in

1135
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 1: front of us there. Yeah, he has no white rack yep,

1136
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: bright white. That's crazy. So it was a long time ago.

1137
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: So you get speaking of a long time ago, you

1138
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: guys have been hunting together a long time, and I'm

1139
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: sure you've gotten to know each other pretty well and

1140
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: all of your kind of good things and bad things. Frank,

1141
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: what would you say makes Clinton a good hunter? What

1142
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: about Clinton makes him a good hunter? He's really really picky.

1143
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: He's he's the type of person that he wants it

1144
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: to be that like that beer, he wants it to be.

1145
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: He gets something in his head and that's what it is,

1146
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 1: and which I think that makes me a better hunter

1147
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: because it makes him, you know, want that that much more. Mhm,

1148
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: I can see that. Clinton. No, on the other side,

1149
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: what about Frank? What what about Frank makes him a

1150
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: successful hunter? That sometimes he lets me beat him killing

1151
00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: deer because he beat me at everything my entire life. Um,

1152
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: Frank is a gut hunter and he's a killer. He

1153
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: just loves it. Frank, Frank absolutely loves it. And the

1154
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: best thing about Frank is that it keeps me loving

1155
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: it like he just sometimes I get too over the

1156
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: top about it. And and I and I know that,

1157
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 1: and especially since you know my last year my daughter

1158
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: passed away. Um that's the only other story. But but

1159
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: after that happened, you know, you just realize that life's

1160
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: more about you know, Frank has been friends for twenty years, um,

1161
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: and you know, sitting in the tree with somebody every night,

1162
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: you know, we know the ends and out of each other.

1163
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: We you know, you want to hear and tell stories.

1164
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: We can tell your stories about dating the same girls,

1165
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: going anything you want to talk about. We we have

1166
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: been there, done that, you know. And Frank's just a

1167
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: great hunter because he has these gut feelings of this

1168
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: is where we need to go. I don't care what

1169
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: you're saying. I don't care what your high pressure says.

1170
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,439
Speaker 1: I don't care what your low pressure says. I don't

1171
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: care what Mark Jury said. This is where we're gonna

1172
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: go hunting, and we're gonna have fun when we go.

1173
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: And if we're not gonna have fun, screw you. I'm

1174
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 1: not going no more. And we you know, we keep

1175
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: it in check, but he always makes us make sure

1176
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: we're having a good time and and normally that gut feeling,

1177
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: I mean, we are always on deer one and go.

1178
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: Speaking of um, speaking of what makes you guys good hunters,

1179
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: I know that you guys have a lot of other

1180
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: friends who are really good hunters too. Um, what if

1181
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: you had to pick some type of quality in most

1182
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: of the people you know that are just great deer hunters.

1183
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 1: What would that quality, that consistent thing be that most

1184
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: really good deer hunters you know have all in common? Clinton,

1185
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: If you want to take that first, Um, I'm gonna

1186
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: say just the management aspect of getting it set in

1187
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: their mind that we are not going to shoot young deer, um,

1188
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: and we're we're only going to shoot the mature deer

1189
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: that we're after, or or just the maturity that shows

1190
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: up on the farm. I mean, everybody is better at

1191
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,919
Speaker 1: something that we all. We all hunt different. I hunt

1192
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: different than Frank. Frank's hunt different than me. You know,

1193
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: Josh hunts different than Frank, and I hunt. Josh does

1194
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: stuff all the time that Frank and I was like, Gosh,

1195
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: why does he do that? He's so sloppy and and

1196
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: why is that even working? And Rector hunts different than

1197
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: than Frank and I and I just think that the

1198
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: common thing is that you just everybody's got a goal,

1199
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: and the guys that are consistently good deer hunters sticks

1200
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: stick to the deer management and the goal thereafter. What

1201
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: do you think, Frank um? You know, with friends, I mean,

1202
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: that's just I probably wouldn't have anything about they had

1203
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: my friends. You know, Josh and Clint have been like

1204
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,919
Speaker 1: my brothers since I moved here. I mean I moved

1205
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: here when I was a freshman and ice school, and uh,

1206
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: you know that I think that is we we try

1207
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: to better ourselves. I mean we all try to. We

1208
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: all talk like every day or every other day during

1209
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: hunting season. Everybody's like, you know, just telling telling stories,

1210
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: whether they saw what they you know, what they what's

1211
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: going on. And I think that is I mean everybody

1212
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: that we hunt with, we all communicate, we all know,

1213
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: you know. It's that's I think that's what makes everybody

1214
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: a better hunter, that that we are friends with is

1215
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: we all we have intel because we all hunt around

1216
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: the same areas and we all we all communicate and

1217
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: just like with our neighbors, we have neighbor class neighbor,

1218
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: we we keep in touch with him. We we you know,

1219
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: asking what they're seeing, They ask us what we're seeing.

1220
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: I think that's why it's getting to be the quality

1221
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: management of everybody getting together. I mean it's not so

1222
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: much you have one neighbor that you know, you kind

1223
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: of like, oh, he'll shoot anything. It's getting to be

1224
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: where everybody is kind of sticking to the same game.

1225
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: And truthfully, in Illinois, that's what you need. Yeah, that's

1226
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: that's a really nice situation. When you have that. It

1227
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: seems like even like when you're looking for a new property,

1228
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: you know, at lease or to buy land or something,

1229
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: it's like if you can find good neighbors no matter

1230
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: what your properties like, lots of times you're going to

1231
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: be in for a lot better experience. If you're in

1232
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: a neighborhood with people that have similar goals and you

1233
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: know that you know, I want to communicate and enjoy

1234
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: things together. That that's the situation that you just always

1235
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: want to find if possible. That's for sure. Yeah, I

1236
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: mean it is. I mean it's that's a hun percent

1237
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: and the nail on the head are are we have

1238
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: absolutely great neighbors. I mean our neighbor Drew owns boarders

1239
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: are farm all the way up and he's got ten

1240
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: or twelve guys that come down and hunt, and we

1241
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: go over there and drink beer with them and hang out.

1242
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: And you know, Drew's rule is I believe his rule

1243
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: is that if you shoot one, you have to get

1244
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: it mounted right. That's a great rule because then then

1245
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: you have younger guys that if a two and a

1246
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: half year old deer comes out and and that's the

1247
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: biggest year they were seeing that shoot it right. Good

1248
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: for them. You know, That's that's that's a great aspect

1249
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: of deer hunting. That's part of getting older and and maturing,

1250
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: and when when you get good people around and people

1251
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: that you can enjoy it with it, it just makes

1252
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: hunting fun. And fortunately a lot of times in outdoor

1253
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: industry we have gotten away from hunting being fun. Very true,

1254
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: very true. Speaking of fun, though, Clinton, what's the most

1255
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: embarrassing hunting related story you can tell me about Frank?

1256
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: The most embarrassing hunting related story, Boy, I do not know.

1257
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: He's never done. We've we get marked. That's like twenty

1258
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: years of hunting together, three days a week. I mean,

1259
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: I can tell you a lot of stories that we're

1260
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: not going to be allowed to play on the podcast.

1261
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: Frank and I've done together, But I'm not sure hunting related.

1262
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: Any big mistakes he's made, any big screw ups? Well,

1263
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: I mean he did. I will here's one I'll tell you. So.

1264
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: Frank hates self filming, okay, And so sometimes, like we

1265
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: talked earlier, gets frustrating when you know you should go,

1266
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: but you can't get off work right And normally Frank

1267
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: can't get off work, and I can always get off work,

1268
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: but every once in a while I get hung up

1269
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: and I can't. So I always make sure in those situations,

1270
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: I make sure I stay because we do not want

1271
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: to compromise. Is a great situation we have going so

1272
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: this year Frank, Frank, and he was on these deer

1273
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: over to the Grandpa, like we talked early season there

1274
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: there in the summer, and Frank was going on and

1275
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: I could not get off work. So Frank goes in

1276
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: and he's got the decoy and he wants to go

1277
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: decoy to these deer because he knows he knows there

1278
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: his draws. And on the way in he gets out

1279
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: of the truck and walks I'm not even sure. It

1280
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: was not very far and seize the deer bettered down

1281
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: with some does and he was black man, what what

1282
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: do I do? So somehow, which this is not typical Frank,

1283
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: he comes up with the plan of I'm going to

1284
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: set the deer the decoy up. And now I'm not

1285
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: only gonna set the decoy up, this deer's medded fifty

1286
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: yards from me. I'm going to put my camera in

1287
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: the deer's antlers. We get this camera and sticks it

1288
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: in the antlers of the decoy, zooms in on the deer.

1289
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: It is in perfect focus. I mean it's beautiful, It's

1290
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 1: framed perfectly. He gets down on his hands and knees,

1291
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: crawls out in front of the in front of decoys

1292
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: so the decoys up on this flow rise in the field.

1293
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,959
Speaker 1: Now Frank's behind the brush crawling towards this betted buck

1294
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: in the ol timber right, and he can't see him

1295
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: because of this brush. He gets yards from him. The

1296
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: winds blow in. The deer has no ideas that he

1297
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: will not get up. Sank is throwing stuff, adding throwing walnuts,

1298
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: adding all on video. It is just beautiful, I mean

1299
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: beautiful footage. The deer stands up and Frank the beer

1300
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: ductor barrow dropped to get I'll stop this back. And

1301
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: we didn't put it on the web show because we

1302
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: had a bunch of other stuff that week, but it

1303
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: was it was I'm not saying that's embarrassing, but that is.

1304
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: The footage is phenomenally. It's just such a different perspective

1305
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: of anything that you've ever seen. And Frank would never

1306
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: think of shoving the camera in the deer's horns, because

1307
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: Frank would have thought, I'm gonna shove the camera in

1308
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: the backpack and I'm gonna go shoot this deer and

1309
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: we'll shoot another one later on. It crossed my mind

1310
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: many times. Yeah, it was pretty pretty intense. Yeah, but

1311
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: so so Frank do you have a story about Clinton. Um,

1312
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 1: I mean not really. I mean we've had a lot

1313
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: of a lot of argument in the tree of a

1314
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: lot of me just no, you know, not paying attention

1315
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: to him. But the funniest thing is the embarrassing is

1316
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: when is why I called him in the tree. He

1317
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: he would be like sitting there in his phone or

1318
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: ring and he'll be like hello. He tried to go

1319
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: quiet talking to his wife the tree the most time.

1320
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: I tried to video it or just just like to

1321
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: shake my head at him. But that's pretty much. I

1322
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: think he embarrassing him a little bit that he has

1323
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: to answer the phone when his wife called me. Right well,

1324
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: somebid just comes the problem. I would say that the

1325
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: one of the most embarrassing moments. Um, besides when I

1326
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: shot Earning the shot him twice, had been killing him

1327
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: in nine days. But besides that, Um, the very first

1328
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: year that we were filming for White and Uple, we

1329
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: had one of those days where we had the first

1330
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: hot do come in and it was it was incredible,

1331
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: and we had that was back when we had a

1332
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: lot of big deer, you know, before e h D

1333
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: back in the early two thousand's and and there was

1334
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: just a lot of a lot of big deer. And

1335
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: we had this deer we were hunting and he come

1336
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: in and it was the first time that we were

1337
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: going to get it done and be all jacked up

1338
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: about it, and I shot it right in a freaking neck.

1339
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: That was That was very deflating on our our filming thing.

1340
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: And then we had three more walked by big deer

1341
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: after the deer that I shot in the neck, and

1342
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: we didn't shoot any of the other ones because we

1343
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: just weren't. Yeah, we just didn't know, you know. We

1344
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: we were just like, Hey, we're out here at this camera.

1345
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: We're trying to film. You know, We're gonna be somebody someday.

1346
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: This is what we're doing. And then I swhack him

1347
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: in the neck. All I can remember is Frank breathing

1348
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: over my shoulder in that street from camera, and I

1349
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: just lost it. Frank definitely better. Frank's definitely a little

1350
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: better under pressure a lot of times when I am

1351
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: for sure. Do you have any uh, anything, Frank that's

1352
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: helped you get better at handling that moment of truth?

1353
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: Anything that's you know, the um bill passed on other

1354
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: people that maybe struggle on that moment um. I think

1355
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: the more you do it, the more I think, truthfully,

1356
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: I shoot. I like shooting dose. The more if I

1357
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: can get to kill a couple of does the first

1358
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 1: week October, that does wonders for for for me on

1359
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: pressure on like just it just takes the edge off,

1360
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: like to settle your pin to to do everything. I

1361
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 1: think that's a big key to me. Like this year,

1362
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: I didn't get to kill any dose early, and I

1363
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 1: think truthfully it was in my head a little bit

1364
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: because I didn't have to kill the deer before I

1365
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: shot my buck. I I think definitely shooting a couple

1366
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: of dose or just just you know, really like that

1367
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: just relieve in stress. That's why I think I've PLA

1368
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 1: says I'm a killer, but that's that's what I like.

1369
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: I like to I like to kill a few does

1370
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: the first week just just to take the edge off.

1371
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: You are you are a killer. But yeah, that that

1372
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: I agree the person on that. I mean, we've had,

1373
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: you know, we've been trying to lay off on them

1374
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 1: unfortunately the last couple of years because of because the

1375
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: h D. You know, we're just down a little bit.

1376
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: It's starting to get better again. Um, but we've been

1377
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: trying to lay off all day, and and when you're

1378
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: not kicking stuff, it's like hitting a baseball. If you

1379
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: don't go hit a baseball every day, you're going to

1380
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: struggle when you go try to hit baseballs. And when

1381
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: you're shooting deer, if you're not shooting a couple three

1382
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: or four deer year, when the moment of truth happens,

1383
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, when we all know that there's just so

1384
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: many things that God has to put in front of

1385
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 1: you if we're to happen that if you're not in

1386
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: the right mental state of just knowing that, hey, I'm

1387
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: gonna put this pin behind her shoulder and he did that,

1388
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 1: it's just not gonna work, you know. And and you

1389
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: don't get to that point without shooting live animals and

1390
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: getting confidence. Yeah, I think that you know these days too.

1391
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,600
Speaker 1: I think this is something that some new hunters struggle with, especially.

1392
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 1: I think partly you know where to blame, because the

1393
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: hunting media shows only people out there having success killing

1394
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: the big mature box all the time. And I think

1395
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 1: some new people come into it, young guys or girls,

1396
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:08,600
Speaker 1: and they think that I have to hold out for

1397
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,719
Speaker 1: a big one, and so they don't shoot deer because

1398
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: they're passing and passing and passing and passing and passing

1399
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: until they get to that big one. And then finally

1400
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: they do have a shot at a mature buck and

1401
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: they've never shot there before, or only one or something

1402
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: like that, and now they completely melt down because they

1403
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: haven't had all that experience shooting does or young bucks

1404
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: or whatever, just to get to that point. You know,

1405
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 1: I think sometimes that you've got to move up that

1406
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 1: ladder one step at a time. I agree with that, ahead, yeah,

1407
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean truthfully, me and Clint can

1408
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: or Clint and I you know how many small bucks

1409
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 1: and we killed in our life. You know. That's That's

1410
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: the thing is, I'm not ever gonna say something about

1411
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,600
Speaker 1: a new hunter that goes and shoots, you know, a

1412
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: small buck. That is that's just part of it. That's

1413
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's good for you. It gets, like you said,

1414
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: does take the edge off. It builds your confidence and

1415
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: and every it knows a bull hunting. If you're not

1416
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: a confident, you're not confident in what you're doing, then

1417
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: you're not gonna mean you're gonna have stuff go wrong, right,

1418
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:12,799
Speaker 1: I mean that that nights. You know, the confidence is everything,

1419
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: and you cannot build it without killing deer. And you're

1420
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: on a percent right on. You know what the outdoor

1421
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: industry has done because social media and everything, everybody wants

1422
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: to show their pictures and everybody wants to see what

1423
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: Mark's doing, and what's Clunton doing. What's all Frank did this?

1424
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: And you know we see it around here. You know,

1425
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: we got you know, there's a lot of younger guys

1426
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: around here that we know, and we go on blood

1427
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 1: trails with them. We gonna help people out and we

1428
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 1: do whatever. And you know, hey, shoot too, little buck.

1429
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,799
Speaker 1: If you ain't shout out here for shoot whatever walks

1430
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 1: in front of you. I mean, that's why we're deer hunting,

1431
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: because you you can't let the the pressure of what

1432
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:51,719
Speaker 1: everybody else thinks, or what you think everybody else thinks

1433
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: affect you, know, what you are, what your definition of

1434
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: hunting is to yourself. I mean, that's just like with

1435
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: Frank and I hunting. I have a different Sometimes I

1436
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: have a different idea what I'm gonna shoot as compared

1437
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: to what Frank's gonna shoot. Frank wants to shoot these deer,

1438
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 1: and maybe I don't want to shoot those. But that's

1439
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 1: not that's Frank's definition of hunting to him, and it's

1440
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: not my definition of what I'm aim to me. And

1441
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: it's okay, you know, it's okay for everybody to shoot

1442
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: whatever they want to because it's fun. Because the fun

1443
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: part is we're gonna go shoot the deer. Then we're

1444
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: gonna go get the deer with all of our buddies

1445
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: and they're gonna go back in the shed and drink

1446
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: beer and tell him, Hey, would have been a hell

1447
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: of a nice here next year if you let him

1448
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: go for a year, because it's fun to give your

1449
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 1: buddy scrap and have a good time. And that's what

1450
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:39,719
Speaker 1: and and you know that's that's like I said earlier

1451
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: about Frank's good qualities, that I was getting away from that.

1452
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: And fortunately he's always been there. You know, Frank's had

1453
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: to go through a lot with me with my daughter

1454
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: passed away and and just you know, you can imagine

1455
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: that's just a rough time and and you know, getting

1456
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 1: a lot of emotional not having feelings and being a

1457
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: raging butthead sometimes about that and and differ and stuff

1458
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: going on and dragging you back into hey, you know,

1459
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 1: sometimes you just have to kill stuff because killing stuff

1460
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 1: is fun. You know, it is fun. That's why we

1461
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: do it, you know, That's why God put animals on

1462
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: the earth for us to shoot them. That's why we're

1463
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 1: doing Yeah, I gotta gotta let gotta get back to

1464
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:20,719
Speaker 1: having fun with hunting. To your point, I'm sometimes guilty

1465
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 1: of that too. I get so worked up. I get

1466
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: so caught up in the process and trying to get

1467
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: this one deer or whatever. And it's easy to to

1468
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,600
Speaker 1: all of a sudden find yourself, you know, days and

1469
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: days into a hunting trip or something, and realize every

1470
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: day you're just stressing out and frustrated, and you know,

1471
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: why the heck am I? Why the heck am I

1472
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:41,640
Speaker 1: feeling this way? This is supposed to be fun, This

1473
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 1: is fun, but I'm not letting myself have fun with

1474
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: it because I'm worried so much or whatever. Right, right, Yeah,

1475
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: when you're having fun, good things happening. True, very true. Well,

1476
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: I think that's a perfect place to, uh to wrap

1477
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: this one up, because I think that's like just some

1478
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: of the the wisest words I think all of us

1479
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 1: serious deer hunters can hear um because when it comes

1480
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: right down to it. That's what's all about. So, guys,

1481
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: if if the listeners want to see some of your hunts, um,

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01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 1: where can they go online to find that stuff hunting?

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01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: They go to bowlinging dot com and you can click

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01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: on the website and get on bow Hunter diets on

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01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: the tab on the top, and you can watch us

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Speaker 1: there on bowling dot com. You can watch us on

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Speaker 1: YouTube or on your roku. Awesome, Frank, do you have

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Speaker 1: do you have any recommended episode that you can remember

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01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: that if people were gonna watch just one with you guys,

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01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 1: that they should make sure to see. Um. I the

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01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: deer that Clint kills, I don't know what episode it was.

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Speaker 1: He kills a giant eight pointer comes right in, uh

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Speaker 1: with Actually a deer that we patterns on the with

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01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 1: cameras comes right in and I actually had to I

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01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: had to tell him to stop the deer to shoot it,

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Speaker 1: because I thought you can let I felt like Mark Durry,

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Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. He walks out. It was its season three, right, Frank,

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Speaker 1: because we killed the ten point of the first year

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01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 1: and then that was the second year. Yeah, it's season three.

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Speaker 1: It was a deer we called snowbird. Um. He walked

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01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: out of the grass and was standing these theaters and

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01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 1: it looked like something you'd see. And I while watching

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01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,600
Speaker 1: all the Dury videos growing up, and I was in

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01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,759
Speaker 1: such an days that he walked by a five yards

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01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: and we had designed all the stuff that we've learned

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01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: about watching Drey videos for that to happen, and it happened,

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01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: and he walked by right in front of me, and

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01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 1: Frank's like, dude, stop him. I can still remember and

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01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 1: tell me stop him, And I stopped him for shying me.

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Speaker 1: Scored a hundred and sevent Holy smokes, that's awesome. Well,

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Speaker 1: but it's season three. I can't remember exactly what episode

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Speaker 1: that's awesome. Well, I'm gonna find that one and link

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Speaker 1: it in. The blog post for this episode is if

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01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: anyone wants to go out and watch that, you'll be

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01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: able to find it on Weird Hunts. So, Clinton, Frank,

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01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for joining me for this.

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Speaker 1: This was a lot of fun. Thank you, Thanks Mark,

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Speaker 1: I ship absolutely, and good luck this season. Yeah you too, buddy,

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Speaker 1: And with that we will shut this episode down before

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