1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: I kept getting fired from job after job, and finally 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, you know, I'm just gonna 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: like chillax, make some pots, sort of see what happens, 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: and give up on my idea of a fancy career 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: in a jappie lifestyle and just kind of, you know, 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: become a pottery. We talked about fitness before. We talked 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: about spiritual fitness and couples who work out together, and 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: manic fitness versus relaxed fitness as it pertains to your personality. Uh. 9 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: You know, I do know a decent amount about diets 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: because I grew up in an unhealthy household as it 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: pertains to food and exercise, and the word diet was 12 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: something very common in my house. And you ripped out 13 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: every magazine from Cosmopolitan or whatever magazines were popular then, 14 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: and promising if you eat this food in one week, 15 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: and I had the pictures of everything you're supposed to eat, 16 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: then you're gonna lose weight. And back then it used 17 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: to be every single person was on a diet, and 18 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: every single diet had conflicting rules. So I remember there 19 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: was something that back then is called the Stewardess diet, 20 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: which is now would be the flight attendant's diet, and 21 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,639 Speaker 1: it literally had like one whole day of all fruit, 22 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: and then one whole day of all vegetables, then one 23 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: day of beef and tomatoes, then a day you could 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: have a hot dog and two scoops of ice cream. 25 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: Like it was literally the constipation diet, the a d 26 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: D diet, the let's see how stupid people are. A 27 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: diet where I mean, if you ate fruit all day, 28 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: vegetables another day, and just if you ate pizza or 29 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: popcorn one day, you'd probably lose weight because you're not 30 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: gonna eat fifty pieces of pizza. Like all of these 31 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: crazy diets have the word die in them. D I E. 32 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: I don't believe in the word. I hate to even 33 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: say the word today, but I just having gone through 34 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: so many years and so many iterations of this multi 35 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: million dollar industry, it just brings me to believe we 36 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: are so stupid. So I listened to everybody. Now it's keto, 37 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: and I'm on the keto and I do keto. I 38 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: practice keto. And Keto is basically like a cousin of 39 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: Atkins and South Beach and Zone. So Atkins really started 40 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: where it was you can eat sixty five steaks, forty 41 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: pieces of bacon, thirty scrambled eggs, as much cheese as 42 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: you want, cobs, salad dressing, Caesar salad dressing. It starts up. 43 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: You ate a fucking stick a tried and gum, You 44 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: gained forty pounds, like it was literally you eat a 45 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: piece of watermelon and the carbon police are going to 46 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: come to your house and rest you. And you were 47 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: supposed to buy these like urine stix that you peet 48 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: on because you're supposed to go into ketosis, which many 49 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: doctors say is not a good thing for your body 50 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: to go into. Not to mention that really is the 51 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: constipation dehydration diet. Like you can eat four hundred pieces 52 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: of beef jerky, but you're not allowed to have an 53 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: orange slice. You're not even allowed to probably have you 54 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: might be allowed to have some lemon in your water, 55 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: but like, this is fucking crazy. And then years later, 56 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: the Alkins diet, the Atkins diet bars came out and 57 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: they just were like sort of okay, but they had 58 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: some carbs and god only knows. And then that diet 59 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: sort of changed a little bit more to be more 60 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: sort of human and the South Beach diet is a 61 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: distant healthier cousin of the Atkins diet. But it was 62 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: basically that you could just never like combine food. So 63 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: if you were gonna eat the steak with the vegetables 64 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: and the lettuce and the ten pounds dressing, that was okay. 65 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: But on the meals that you were gonna have holy pasta, 66 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: because white is not okay. Holy pasta is okay on 67 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: those meals because you're eating carbs, you weren't allowed to 68 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: have any fat. You can only have like the carbs 69 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: with the tomato sauce and the vegetables, but no fat. 70 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: Fat only goes with protein at those meals. Okay. So 71 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: this is how the crazy this This is how crazy 72 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: this was. Then there were other food combining diets where 73 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: you're not allowed to eat anything in the morning and 74 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: then you're allowed to eat fruit, but you cannot eat 75 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: fruit any part of the day besides the morning. You 76 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: can't eat fruit in between meals, you can't eat fruit 77 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: after a meal. You can only eat fruit in the 78 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: morning on an empty stomach. Incidentally, that makes some sense 79 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: because your body after it's been fasting all night, acid 80 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: in orange or citrus or fruit in the morning is 81 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: best digested on an empty stomach, and the food combining 82 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: thing does make some sense. It's why after Thanksgiving dinner 83 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: you are so exhausted. It's not because if the tiny 84 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: amounts of trip defend you're getting in your turkey. It's 85 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: because of all the different food groups that your body 86 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: is trying to digest at the same time, so the 87 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: machine is working over time, which is why fasts and 88 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: cleanses and juicing do have their health benefits if supervised, 89 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: if you understand them, meaning when your body the machine 90 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: is off and you're only eating let's say fruits and vegetables, 91 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: or you're not eating animal or sugar or caffeine or 92 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: meat which is harder to digest, or you've taken it 93 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: to the next level and you're doing just different types 94 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: of smoothies and soups, which also calms your system because 95 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: it's not working over time to digest that food and 96 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: take it to the next level. If you're doing green 97 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: juices or regular juices, or when people do the Master cleanse, 98 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: which is way more extreme, or people even do a 99 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: water fast. The point is people do heal themselves this 100 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: way because the machine, which is your body is focusing 101 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: on itself versus like the energy that the machine takes 102 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: to digest food. But we could do a whole other 103 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: thing on that. That could be an entire podcast in 104 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: and of itself, and I'd be willing to do it. 105 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: So after the Atkins diet came out, maybe ten years later, 106 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: they used to be the Beverly Hills diet. I forgot. 107 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: There used to be the California Diet, the Mediterranean diet, 108 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: the San Francisco diet. I mean it sounds like I'm 109 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: making all this stuff. It's all real. So Atkins is 110 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: like all fat, all protein, all animal, all like clogged 111 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: arteries and constipation and ketosis. On the other end, there 112 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: used to be this woman named Susan Powder who had 113 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: bleached blonde, platinum short hair. She used to go on 114 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: television with piles, and I mean piles for drama, piles 115 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: of pasta, piles of baked potatoes, piles of pretzels, anything 116 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: fat free. It's fat free. You can eat fat free 117 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: as long as you eat only fat free. It has 118 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: no fat. You can do as much of it as 119 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: you want. Steak, bad fat, oil bad Avocado was the 120 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: goddamn motherfucking devil. Okay, the devil. I used to take. 121 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: Avocado was a sin. Like back in the days of 122 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: when sushi came out, avocado was a sin. Now I 123 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: literally I bathe in avocado. I rubbed it all over 124 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: my body and then I lick it off. So back then, 125 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: avocado was the goddamn devil. But forty pounds of pasta 126 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: was okay as long as you didn't have a drip 127 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: of oil in it. So if you went to a restaurant, 128 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: you had to like literally take the way to buy 129 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: the throat and make sure that there was no oil 130 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: whatsoever made used in the process of making that pasta. 131 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: And then that was when everything became fat free, and 132 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: everything that used to be atkins and everything that was 133 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: whatever became fat free. So you'd be at food shows 134 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: and anybody who had fat in their products was a loser, 135 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: and anybody everything was fat free. And then people started 136 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: promoting bread fat free, pretzels fat free. We're like pretzels 137 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: were always fat free, you know what I mean. Like 138 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: they started being like, diet coke is fat free. It's 139 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: like no ship, it's always been fat free. Brown rice 140 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: fat free. We know it's fat free. So that was that, 141 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: and then later Happy Medium was the low carb diet, 142 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: so now you were sort of back to the South 143 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: Beach diet with another name. So everything is a remix. 144 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: I think it was like Bill Gates said it, everything 145 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: is a remix all of its bullshit. I don't know 146 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: what to tell you. I could go on for days. 147 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: I will go on another time, but I'm just saying, like, 148 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: be sensible, Okay, I have a decent relationship with food. 149 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: The one rule I could tell you is do not 150 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: binge and make good investments. Meaning if you are going 151 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: to eat plain grilled chicken, which bores me, you can 152 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: eat more of it. If you're gonna eat fatty ribby, 153 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: which excites me, you're gonna eat less of it. If 154 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: you are PMS or you need a piece of chocolate cake, 155 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: try not to eat the whole thing, but then don't 156 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: have bread and wine after and during dinner. Like you 157 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: know what, balance it out, It's checks and balances. It's 158 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: the same way you spend your money. Just just just 159 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: spend wisely. Try to get an r O I return 160 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: on your investment. And meaning if you eat thing healthy, 161 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna feel good or it's going to fill you 162 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: up like a salad and chicken or soup or whatever. 163 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: And if you don't invest wisely, then make up for 164 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: it elsewhere. My guest today is designer Jonathan Adler, who 165 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: was at the top of his game. He has an 166 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: interior design brand of all these different products to just 167 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: make your house come alive. It's whimsical, it's fun like him, 168 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: and it's a signature style. I have several pieces of 169 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: his work in my home and I truly truly love 170 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: his work. It just it is a brand. So he's 171 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: here because he has absolutely, unequivocally built a brand and 172 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: also built an e commerce business, which is huge and 173 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: truly necessary in this day and age. So he started 174 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 1: out as a potter and now he has stores all 175 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: over the country. I am so excited to share our 176 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: conversation with you today as we talked about how he 177 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: developed his brand and he became a household name. And 178 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy this as much as I do. Hi, Hi, 179 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: how's it going. I'm good. Nice to see you, so 180 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: nice to see you. Also, I just finished a place 181 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: in Connecticut and you are ever present. My daughter has 182 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: those multiple color bubble bedside lamps, and I have those 183 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: sort of mixed metal sconces in my dining room. You 184 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: are the ones that like have the the lines and 185 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: gold and made brook. I've got the evil Eye table. 186 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: I mean almost airing on the side of buying too 187 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: much of your stuff that it looks like you're in 188 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: my house. I'm all in with everything, never enough, never 189 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: too much. All right, Well are you? I think you're amazing. 190 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: I literally I could go on. I have so many 191 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: things in my house and and and I think you're 192 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: so creative and so innovative. And you know, there are 193 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: many successful and talent did and a deep architectural digest 194 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: published designers, but you can't name that many that have 195 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: an actual brand. And this show the filter on this 196 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: brand is not about being famous, rich, or powerful. It's 197 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: about having built a brand or being a game changer. 198 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: Uh you know, created an industry. Uh A Maverick started 199 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: from the bottom. Now we're here. So that's why it 200 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: was important to me to talk to you, because I mean, 201 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: I really can't think of very many people that have 202 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: built a brand like yours. It is constantly changing and 203 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: that is obviously thriving, and it's just desirable and interesting 204 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: and quality and fun and you're kind of checking so 205 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: many of the boxes. Well, thank you very much. I'm, 206 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: you know, doing what I can, just trying to stay 207 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: relevant and you know, stay creative. Well, how long do 208 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: you feel that you have been relevant? Well, it's it's 209 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: actually a really interesting question. I started my business quite accidentally, 210 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: like twenty seven years ago hashtag old. And the idea 211 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: of relevance is kind of interesting because I feel like 212 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: I've been I've been very very lucky that I've had 213 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: a long run, and I hope I'm still relevant. I 214 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: mean it's not something I think about very much. I 215 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: really think about trying to stay authentic and true and 216 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: just kind of follow my creative muse wherever she leads me. 217 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: And I think that the idea of relevance, I think, 218 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: as long as you're authentic, you're relevant. Um, and that's 219 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: kind of how I and evolving and evolving evolving, Well, 220 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: I know what I like. But I think commercially, which 221 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: is ultimately what you're doing as a brand. I mean, 222 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: you don't want to just be niche. I think you 223 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: probably are more relevant than you ever have been. To me. 224 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: It keeps it. I mean, it's been the last ten 225 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: years that I feel like it's popped off. That's what 226 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: I think, but I may not know everything. Well, bless 227 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: your heart, I hope that's true. That's what I really 228 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: do think. So you started off by doing pottery, right, 229 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: like you're you're a potter by trade. Yeah. I started off, 230 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: as I said, a long time ago, making pottery, thinking 231 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: it was something I always wanted to do with my life. 232 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: But of course I'm a little bit jappy, and it 233 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: never crossed my mind that I would be able to 234 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: have a jappie lifestyle and be a potter. Luckily, I 235 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: failed at every job I ever had when I was young. 236 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: So when I got out of college, I tried to 237 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: work in the movie business, and I had a very 238 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: poor work ethic and very loose morals. So I would 239 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: show up late. I was sleeping with my boss and 240 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: everybody else in the office. You're like Jay Law in 241 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: Silver Lions Playbook when she said she got fired because 242 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: she slept with everyone, and Brad the Cooper says, well, 243 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: how many people? She said? Eleven? He's like, oh, that's 244 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: a number. Well, I couldn't. Unfortunately, I wasn't even. I 245 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: wasn't even as good as she is. I sucked everything. 246 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: So I kept getting fired from job after job, and 247 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: finally I was like, all right, you know, I'm just 248 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: gonna like chillax, make some pots, sort of see what happens, 249 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: and give up on my idea of a fancy career 250 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: in a jappie lifestyle and just kind of, you know, 251 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: become a potter. It was very like Brooklyn and Williamsburg 252 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: before that idea even existed. And then, you know, miraculously, miraculously, 253 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: over the years, I managed to be an actual Brooklyn 254 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: e potter and a JAP So I made it all happen. 255 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: It all came full circle for me. But yeah, I 256 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: started out as a potter long time ago and just 257 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: was in my studio all day making stuff and got 258 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: an order from Barney's and just filled the order and 259 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: very gradually continued to get more orders and never really 260 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: had a plan, never even really thought I was launching 261 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: a business or really doing much of anything. Considered myself 262 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: unemployed until about two years after I had gotten that 263 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: first order from Barneys. I was at a I was 264 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: at a party and my mom was there and someone 265 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: said to me, like, Jonathan, what are you doing? You know, 266 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: do you have a job? And I said, now, I'm 267 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: unemployed right now, and my mother said, no, you're not. 268 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: You're a potter. And I thought, oh, yeah, I'm a potter. 269 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: And I thought, I have a career. I'm a potter. Well, 270 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: how are you supporting yourself during that time? Did you 271 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: come from a privileged background because you said jab like 272 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: Jewish American princess, which mattered when yeah, Jewish American princess. 273 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: I came from sort of a a nice, solidly upper 274 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: middle class but not rich family. So I went to 275 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: fancy college and for some reason or other, all my 276 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: friends were these like heiresses and they never really had 277 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: to think about working. And I thought, for some reason, 278 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: I just sort of took on their identity and thought, well, 279 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: why why would one really have to work? And cut two. 280 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: I got out of school and I was like, oh, 281 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: one has to work because one has to pay the bills. 282 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, so I was very lucky. You know, my 283 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: parents paid for college and they were always there to help. 284 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: But it wasn't you know, dynastic wealth that uh that 285 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: my friends had. However, I think that one of the 286 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: benefits of being friends with a lot of kind of 287 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: like fancy design e stylish people from college was that 288 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: I never really developed a practical streak, and I think 289 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: that served me well as a as a designer because 290 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: I've really approached my work not from the level of like, 291 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: not from a real sense of practicality or business, but 292 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: more from sort of an airy fairy artistic approach, and 293 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: that's something I've managed to stay true too. Well. I 294 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: think what's great about your brand and what you've just 295 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: said though, is so if I design something, I like 296 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: it to be not to taste specific, so I then 297 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: can accessorize with things that you make and have those 298 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: be the moments versus like every single thing I have 299 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: being like making a loud statement. So I think that 300 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: that's where your brand is amazing, because if you just 301 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: need something to just make something look fun, lighthearted, special designed, 302 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: it kind of comes in with a lighting fixture, with 303 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: a with a vase, with a piece of furniture or a 304 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: a pillow. So I think that's really something that's amazing. 305 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: I know you you have obviously major piece of furniture 306 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: and I own them, but I think that's a cool, 307 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: a cool element about your brand. Well, you know what 308 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: that really comes from. I had a I had a 309 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: very groovy grandmother who was sort of an anti main 310 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: type of person. And I remember I would go to 311 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: her house and she had fabulous taste, and I would 312 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: pick up an object and it would be completely riveting 313 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: and inspirational and transformational. I would like pick up a 314 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: sculpture off the table and say, where's this from? She said, oh, 315 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: it's in Denmark and I found this jeweler and he 316 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: made this thing. Or you know, I was in Mexico 317 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: and I went to a an iron smith thing and 318 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: moments she just had fabulous inspirational moments. And I think 319 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: that I've always strived to be the dude who makes 320 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: the stuff that the next generation of mes will pick 321 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: up and be like, oh, this is cool, this is inspiring, 322 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: This makes me want to make stuff. So, you know, 323 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: I hope I'm making the stuff that will sort of 324 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: be weird and provocative and trigger people's imaginations. And my 325 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: real goal in life is to sort of battle the 326 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: basic that's interesting. Do you retire things or limit productions 327 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: so people can't get it anymore? And do you still 328 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: have like this the basic classics that everybody wants. Do 329 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: you strategically do that? I'm the absolute worst. I wish 330 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: I could say that I was more varsity in my strategy, 331 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: and I know I should be at this point, but 332 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: you know, I kind of just I do a lot 333 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: of stuff intuitively and what feels right. So I might 334 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: retire some stuff if I'm sick of it, or if 335 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: I still love it, I keep it around. It. Really, 336 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: I'm sort of the the arbiter of what stays and goes. However, 337 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: talking about my company, in my business, what my brand, 338 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, makes me realize what 339 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: a kind of junior varsity person I am in that 340 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: I never really have had a business plan. I've never 341 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: really been as strategic as I should be, and perhaps 342 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: that's what I hope keeps me authentic. I didn't ever 343 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: have really have a business plan, but I am very strategic. 344 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: And what would you say your brand is? In the 345 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: elevator pitch, you know, we call our brand kind of 346 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: modern American glamor, and it's really it's a reflection of 347 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: the fact that my design is I hope modern, you know, 348 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: I always I'm trying to push the envelope, makes things 349 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: that are new and forward thinking. I think that my 350 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: work is very American in that I am a very American, dude. 351 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: I love this country. I love this sense of optimism 352 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: and possibility that is uniquely American, and it's a modern American. 353 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: And glamour because I think glamour, I hope, is at 354 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: the core of everything I do. And glamorous one of 355 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: those funny words that people throw around but can't ever 356 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: really define. It's sort of an ineffable thing. But I 357 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: guess to me, glamour means being memorable, you know, so modern, 358 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: new American, optimistic, glamorous, memorable. I love it, I get it, 359 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: and it's true a little retro. I feel like so 360 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: many designers, many very successful designers, have made mistakes. I'm 361 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: talking more in fashion the way when I'm thinking about 362 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: in my mind and who I'm thinking about have made 363 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: mistakes in that they're amazing, brilliant designers, but not amazing 364 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: business people, and that they some of them have made 365 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: the mistake of thinking they're good business people, and some 366 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: have made the good choice to have amazing business partners 367 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: who are literally just business guys or gals and they're 368 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: the designers. So do you It sounds like you know 369 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: what you know and you know what you don't know, 370 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: because before you were explaining that your g a v 371 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: in certain ways, so it sounds like you know what 372 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: you know? Do you consider yourself to be a business 373 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: person in addition to a designer or really just a 374 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: creative and you need to have the right people around 375 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: you to do the business. I've become an accidental businessman, 376 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: you know. It's not something It's not something I even 377 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: understood at all. Going into this, I didn't even know 378 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: what an invoice was. I was an extremely airy, fairy, 379 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: imperhatsical person, and over the years, I've of course had 380 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: to learn how to navigate the world. I'm the same, 381 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: by the way, shocking to people, I'm the same, by 382 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: the way. I'm sure I think that's as it should be. 383 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: I don't think you can be you or you know 384 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: where you're like, you're weird. You know, you're this one 385 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: off thing. You can't become that weird, one off thing 386 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: by being a business person. You have to just be 387 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: you and then learn the business as it unfolds, or 388 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: else you wouldn't be able to be you. You know. 389 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: But over the years, of course, I've had ups and downs, 390 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: and I've had fabulous business partners and unfabulous business partners 391 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: and businesses evolved, and there's sort of like living organisms. 392 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: And if you were to take a snapshot of my 393 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: company at any given time, it might be I might 394 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: have the perfect team or I might have the imperfect team. 395 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: Right now, we are killing it. We have an amazing team, 396 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: probably like a hunting that's a lot. I'm not surprised 397 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: because you have a massive business and where is everybody, um, 398 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: and right now because of the pandemic, where is everybody? 399 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: We're in far flung locales doing everything virtually and you know, 400 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: managing to keep it all together and ps as it 401 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: relates to the pandemic. I am an extraordinarily lucky person 402 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: to be one of the few who hasn't been destroyed 403 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: by the pandemic. And you know, I certainly don't take 404 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: it for granted. And I really don't know what I 405 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: would have done had I been, say, fifteen years younger 406 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: and earlier in my company, where like I didn't sort 407 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: of have the scale or the support to whether this'. 408 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what I would have done 409 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: if I was like a all business owner during this time, 410 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: I probably would have been like if I was like young, 411 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: younger and um, at that stage. To be honest, I 412 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: think I probably would have been like going in every 413 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: day and like and defying all orders just to keep 414 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: my business alive. I have tremendous sympathy for small business 415 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: owners who are not going into their store. You know, 416 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: it's a really it's a really tough position. And I 417 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: think as a small business owner, I really understand that 418 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: businesses war. It's really meaningful. Building something is extraordinarily difficult. 419 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: I feel awful for all of the small business owners 420 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: who are being decimated, and I'm happy I'm not in 421 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: their shoes. And I really honestly don't know how I 422 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: would have handled it. I think I probably would have 423 00:22:55,160 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 1: been pretty bold and defiant. I think I would have 424 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: been I think I think that's a reflection. Yeah, business 425 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: is war, you know, And I think I think that 426 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: if you have a small business, you know, whether you 427 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: have insurance, whatever you have, you're still kind of a 428 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: little bit of a warrior. And I think that that 429 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: was an important part of my journey. And I feel 430 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: awful for people right now. It's so well said. I'm glad. 431 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: I'm honestly, I'm glad you said I we haven't talked 432 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: enough about it. Do you have partners in this business 433 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: and this brand I do? I do? And that was 434 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: something that I kind of developed over time, you know, 435 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: I sort of I've had the good luck and smart 436 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: luck to find people and resources that I need to 437 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: continue my journey. Funnily enough, the main focus though, for me, 438 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: has always just been creativity. So I kind of see 439 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: my whole thingy as a as a very selfish endeavor 440 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: in that my goal in life is just to make 441 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: groovy stuff and keep doing it as long as I can, 442 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: and um finding the resources and ways to make it 443 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: all happen. So you know, I see my business as 444 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: more of a means to an end than an end 445 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: in and of itself. Well, there's so many people that 446 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: listen here for brand building and business. Do you feel 447 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: that you still have control? And you know you've got 448 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: If you have partners, you've had to give some either 449 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: control or some obviously percentage money I pe away, And 450 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: what advice do you have to people? What what sort 451 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: of mistakes have you made? What has been good about it? 452 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: Because what's odd is that I get a lot of 453 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: emails and messages from people asking me. They tell me 454 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: how much money they're making and they tell me the 455 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: piece of their business that they have and what they're 456 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: paying themselves a year. But someone wants to come in 457 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: and take part of it, and should they take some 458 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: money off? You know, then you get a pile of 459 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: money and get some money off the table. And you 460 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: know the drill. It's like a mini like the mini 461 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: shark tank all the time. So how has that affected you? 462 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: Because I I own a hundred percent of the Skinny 463 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: Girl I p and the brand, which surprises people because 464 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: I only sold the cocktail Porsche And now my non 465 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: compete is up and so I'm going to launch another 466 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: cocksom not with Skinny Girl, because I don't own Skinny Girl. 467 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: And for a decade I was still involved because uh, 468 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: I was still a spokesperson. I had a back end deal. 469 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: So um in owning, it's been a conversation. I actually 470 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: had the conversation with Mark Cuban, who's been on here, 471 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: if I would sell part of it and what the 472 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: reason would be and what I would use the money for, etcetera. 473 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: So do you have control and how do you feel 474 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: about having other people involved in What was that decision 475 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: like in that journey to do that? Oh my God, 476 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: I was so happy to get other people involved because 477 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: I hated having all the responsibility myself. So I started 478 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: off it was me a lump of clay, which is 479 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: essentially just earth, water, and fire. You know, it's like 480 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: a like making pots is extremely elemental and basic. It's 481 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: primitive even, and I was quite primitive. And to go 482 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: from that world in which it was just me mud 483 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: firing water, uh, to this world, I'm I feel incredibly 484 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: grateful in every step of the way. The more people 485 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: I've brought in and the bigger my company has become, 486 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: the happier I am to give up um a piece 487 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: of it and and sort of acquire a merry band 488 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: of co conspirators in this journey who all share the 489 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: responsibility and the passion. You know, I felt when it 490 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: was me, firewater and clay, I felt really overwhelmed by everything. 491 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: So the journey of having people who are as invested 492 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: in this and as invested in me as I am 493 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 1: in this has actually been incredibly fabulous emotional journey. Not 494 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: to get all like whatever, but you know, when I 495 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: first started it was it felt very overwhelming and very 496 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: fright suffocating. Yeah, So I'm thrilled to have to be 497 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: a part of a team now rather than to be 498 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: a one man band. Okay, so it's been positive because 499 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: you're as a designer, it seems like you've made the 500 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: right moves and the right choices or got lucky or 501 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: a combination of Also, it's been positive, like you're happy 502 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: with the partnerships and you are happy that you gave 503 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: away a piece of your business too for the greater 504 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: cause and to really blow it out and build it. 505 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, totally. And I think that's more reflection 506 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: of who I am as a person, Like I'm not 507 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: a gambler. I don't really like I hate gambling. In fact, 508 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: I don't really I'm sort of risk averse. And my 509 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: genuine like priority in life is to make groovy stuff, 510 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: like that's what occupies my brain and to be able 511 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: to be free to do that. And this gives you, 512 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: got it? I get it. Yeah. And so if I 513 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: if I was spending all day and night worrying about 514 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: like business and banks and risk, and I think it 515 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: would really impede my ability to do what I do. 516 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: I agree. I get it completely too, because it's something 517 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: that takes up so much bandwidth. Is take me away 518 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: from what you really would like to be doing, and 519 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: it's been that's I've had that experience too with having 520 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: now having good business managers, doing a show on HBO 521 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: Max called The Big Shot with Bethany and finding someone 522 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: that I would like to be me. I don't want 523 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: to have to have all these ideas and think about 524 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: all these things. I want to sometimes be the talent 525 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: and not be the CEO sometimes be just free to 526 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: be doing my podcast talking to you, and not be 527 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: thinking about the seven thousand things that I'm thinking about 528 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: because I'm anyway. Who needs who needs the Michiganus. You know, 529 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: there's enough Michigans in the world that, like, you know, 530 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: for me, it's like do I what I do? I 531 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: want to be Jeff Bezos or do I want to 532 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: be me? I'm sure he's like loving being that rich, 533 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: but like that ain't my focus. My focus is on 534 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: making groovy stuff. And yeah, you know I'm also lucky dude, 535 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: and that like I'm gay. I don't have a huge 536 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: amount of responsibility. It's just like me my adorable husband 537 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: Simon and are cute dog Fopsy, and you know, I 538 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: don't I just don't have that much responsibility. So I 539 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: think that my focus can be being creative and probably 540 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: being really selfish. I'm awful. I was going to say, 541 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: there should be a product of yours that like says 542 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: the word selfish on it. I don't know what, right, Yeah, 543 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: I have a signature. I think you should have a 544 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: selfish signature piece. What is your favorite piece of all 545 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: of your work and what is your favorite thing to do? Oh? 546 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: My god, probably probably whatever I've made most recently. It's 547 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,719 Speaker 1: my favorite thing. But if I had to say, perhaps 548 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: it's like, I make this groovy vase called a Doram Marves's. 549 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for your custom I appreciate. I have the 550 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: one that also that has painted on it, not just 551 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: the one where it is the face, but you have 552 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: the faces painted on it. That was an again H 553 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: and M moment. Yes I did that, Yeah exactly. I 554 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: think that piece is a real reflection of me at 555 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: my best, which is I hope I make things that 556 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: look kind of like they were always just meant to 557 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: be and like I really sort of channeled them rather 558 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: than created them. And I think that's what that vase reflects, 559 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: Like it's you know, it kind of just came out 560 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: of the world and I was merely there to unearth it. Yeah, 561 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: I mean that's why I think things should look. I 562 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: think things should look completely effortless, like they're just there. 563 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: But unfortunately, nothing is ever that simple. But so yeah, 564 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: I think I think my work at its best looks 565 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: like so obvious that you just think to yourself, like, oh, 566 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: how could the world have ever not had that? You? Oh? Yeah, 567 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: are you decisive? Because the way that I look at 568 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: design and the way that you design. When I looked 569 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: through a lot of the pictures, it's like cooking. You 570 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: could easily use cilantro basil or parsley in a fish 571 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: recipe with olive oil and garlic and it would be 572 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: great all those ways, and you just have to make 573 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: a decision and keep it moving. And so when I 574 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: look at the design, some of it seems like crazy 575 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: accidental ends up looking good. And I feel like it's 576 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: a little bit like cooking, where decisions pick pick a 577 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: decision and keep it moving. It could have been blue, green, yellow, 578 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, just think up to the next thing that 579 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,959 Speaker 1: goes with that. That is like the smartest thing you've 580 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: ever said. That's exactly what it is. And yeah, I 581 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: am super decisive and One of the fabulous things about 582 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: being a an applied artist versus like a fine artist 583 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: is that I have just a ton of things on 584 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: the go all the time. I have to make decisions 585 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: constantly about you know, anything from a sofa to a chair, 586 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,479 Speaker 1: to an interior to a pot. But it's not like 587 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: I sit there and you know, contemplate the next brushstroke 588 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,959 Speaker 1: I'm going to take. And I think that pace of 589 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: decision making and being decisive, I hope gives my work 590 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: a feeling of freshness and clarity. And I think things 591 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: shouldn't be overworked. I always think about hairdressers and how 592 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: really good hairdressers are pretty quick and they understand that, 593 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: like you kind of just got to like start cutting 594 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: and go and not think too hard about it. And 595 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: I think the same applies to design. It applies to cooking, 596 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: to business, to life to everything. I agree. I agree, 597 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: and people at home are listening. And I'll say that, 598 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: for example, my girlfriend, she's been obsessing over what to 599 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: do with her kitchen for like a year, and then 600 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: obsessing over went to organize her closets and' like, just 601 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: pick something and keep it moving. It ain't that deep. 602 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: There could be seven things you can pick and then 603 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: nest around that, move stuff around, use things you have. 604 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: Like I took a bench that's outdoor furniture in my house. 605 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: It's been outside for six months and I just took 606 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: it and I like wiped it off, Like that would 607 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: be good behind my couch, just to hold a candle. Like, 608 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: a lot of different things work. You have to start 609 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: looking at things differently. When I used to go to 610 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: Ikea and find these planters, I was like, oh, they'd 611 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: be good for kitchen utensils, like, and everything you already 612 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: have in your house is something you probably could use 613 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: in some different way. I use zip block containers for 614 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,479 Speaker 1: my daughter's crayons and markers and buttons and extra pieces. 615 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: And I use the clips from buyinger clips for chips 616 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: if I'm out of it. Like everything can work in 617 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: different ways if you just open your eyes. I think 618 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: it's especially zip block bags. Oh my god, I can't 619 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: even talk about it. My adorable husband, Simon, his dad 620 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: had a great saying. Would was about just how you 621 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: have to make a decision. He said, look, everything has 622 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: to be some way, so just make a decision and 623 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: move on, Like, don't be paralyzed, you know, it's gonna 624 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: be what. You just have to make a decision. Everything 625 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: has to be something where if you've ever done a 626 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: co brand, I would like to do whimsical permanent zip 627 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: block bags that have like where that snap thing is 628 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: neon or something and says on it makeup and so 629 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: it's like a more durable zip block bag to put 630 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: inside for your toil ues or things like that. That 631 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: would be just like you know something we could come 632 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: great idea, want it? Love it right? Well there zip 633 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: block containers. We can make our own containers and I 634 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: could sell him an h s in anyway. So think 635 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,239 Speaker 1: about it. Think about it. What does someone get you 636 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: as a gift? People must be so intimidated by getting 637 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: you a gift. I hope nobody ever gets me anything 638 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: because I'm like, dude, I have enough stuff, Like if 639 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: like just give it straight to housing works. But I'm 640 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: like that, But I don't like not getting I'm a gifter. 641 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: You are. If you need to buy a gift, you 642 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: can just go straight to Jonathan not the dot com. 643 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: But if you need to buy a gift for me, 644 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: don't bother. I don't want more stuff, not even if 645 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: it's food or something like that except for food of food. Okay, 646 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: so we'll get a different gift food, okay, grit. Yeah. 647 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: All I do. I eat and eat and eat, and 648 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: I work out and I work out and I work out. 649 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: I'm like a Hamstern a wheel eating an exercising and 650 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: eating and exercising. It's a disaster. What do you that's noisy? 651 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: That's food and exercise noise. If you exercise just a 652 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: little bit less, then you wouldn't want to eat as much. 653 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: But that's a different conversation for a different day. What 654 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: do you give as gifts? Do you get your own brand? 655 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 1: You give Jonathan either always always, okay, good, yeah, of course, 656 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: you know. I sometimes I'll encounter like a designer who 657 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: doesn't wear his own clothes or you know, who doesn't 658 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: live with his or own stuff, and I'm like, well, 659 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: then why are you inflicting on the rest of the world. 660 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: If you don't love it, don't make it right. That 661 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: was like a Housewives moment when the woman she Buy 662 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: Charrey wasn't wearing she by Schrey. Not that is I 663 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: talked about she by Charay every single day of my life. 664 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. When she by Say was 665 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: launching her first collection. She like hired yeah, collection, she 666 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: hired designer. She got like all the samples made, and 667 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: she was getting her samples the day of her show 668 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: and she got them and she was like, she was like, wait, 669 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: this doesn't look like I thought it would look. And 670 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: she got all upset, and I was like, Chay, obviously, 671 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: like the samples is the very first step in a 672 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: very very long, arduous analytical massaging process. It's the edit. 673 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: It's the book that's now in the edit. Oh dude, 674 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: it's like the develop It's like people say, writing is rewriting, 675 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: Designing is redesigning, Like, get the first sample sucks that. 676 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: The tough part isn't coming up with the design. The 677 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: tough part is getting the first sample, seeing how much 678 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: you hate it and how that feels and taste and 679 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: who everything gets wrong with it exactly. And you're a 680 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: person who comes from a place of yes, but still 681 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: you know that samples are shipped their ship, and you 682 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: need to like you hate yourself, You think I screwed 683 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 1: everything up, and then you've got to roll up your 684 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: sleeves and say like, all right, how can I fix this? 685 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: How can I make the proportions better. Why don't the 686 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: materials look good? And she by Scharrey is emblematic of 687 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: a current challenge in our culture, which is everybody thinks 688 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: they're brand, everybody thinks they're designer, nobody wants to do 689 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: the actual work. Oh that's totally true. And I guess 690 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: I was going to say she by Sharre has never 691 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: been emblematic of anything until this moment. And yes, she 692 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: by Sharrey is emblematic of that. I literally talked about 693 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: she by Sarre every Housewives brand ever ever launched. Well 694 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: many wow, Well, uh, it was so good talking to you. 695 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: I think you're wonderful and I'm so proud of you, 696 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: and I think your success is well deserved, and I 697 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: honestly congratulate you and just wish you the best of everything. 698 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on here because you're an amazing company, 699 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: I will tell you that with good good stuff going 700 00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: on right back at you. Ditto on all of the above, Um, 701 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: your faguus. And this was like such a great chance 702 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: to like really brow down with you. It happens where 703 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: I know people but never really get to talk to 704 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: them about these things. And I love that part about this. Yeah, 705 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: like I've known you forever. We haven't had a proper browdown, 706 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 1: so I'm glad we did, and I hope more to come. 707 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: So Jonathan ad was really interesting because he just kind 708 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: of created a job, a career, and a business and 709 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 1: a brand out of a passion. And I can relate 710 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: to that because I'm a person who tried to be 711 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,479 Speaker 1: an actress, wasn't really that good at it, didn't feel 712 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: natural at it because it wasn't me just being me, 713 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: and being a host wouldn't be me because that also 714 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: felt sort of stagy and scripted. So just being me 715 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: ended up how I started my career on television, and 716 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: I just like that. He loved doing pottery. He didn't 717 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: do well at working and so he thought, you know, 718 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: he was sort of possibly going to fail. He didn't 719 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: know how he would succeed, which I can relate to 720 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: and many of us can. But when you just are 721 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: good at something and find a way to hone that 722 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: skill and find a way to market and monetize that skill, 723 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: it's amazing. And you know, he really just took a 724 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,240 Speaker 1: passion and then just was selling those items and realize 725 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: that they have some value, and then what you do 726 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 1: with that is really important. So he just went one 727 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: step at a time in his trajectory and really created 728 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: a signature brand. You understand exactly what it is when 729 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: you see it. He knows exactly how to describe it 730 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,760 Speaker 1: in an instant. He really doesn't stray from the line 731 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: to which all things adhere. And I mean that when 732 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: you have a brand, you should be able to describe 733 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: exactly what that is in an elevator something to somebody 734 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: and and and you may want to layer, uh, elaborate, 735 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: but I know that my brand and Skinny Girl is 736 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: practical solutions for women. And in the Bethany brand that 737 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: I'm just launching, uh and I Wear Soon is l 738 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: elevated solutions for women. So you kind of get it. 739 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: And with his brand, he could describe it to you, 740 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,280 Speaker 1: but I would say it's a fun, whimsical, not taking 741 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: yourself too seriously design and you know, high quality and colorful, 742 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: and uh, he could describe it better than I could. 743 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 1: But with each business that we talked about, and with 744 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 1: each person who is definitely a success in their own right, 745 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: in some way, you can piece together your own puzzle 746 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 1: for your own business and your own brand or your 747 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: own life. Just everybody has these life hacks and life 748 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: tips about uh, just their journeys, so that's kind of 749 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: what this whole thing is about. I appreciate you listening, 750 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: and um, I hope you enjoyed it, So please remember 751 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: to rate, review and subscribe Just to Be with Bethany, 752 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: because it's kind of how we get feedback and stay 753 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: at the level we're at and get these amazing guests 754 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: and have these interesting conversations and it just really helps. 755 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: The interaction is helpful to us and to find out 756 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: exactly who you are. That gives us an insight into 757 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 1: who you are and what you want. So thank you 758 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 1: so much, as always, have a great day. Yeah. Just 759 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: Be is hosted by me Bethany Franko. Our managing producer 760 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: is Fiona Smith, and our producer is Stephanie Stender. Sarah 761 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: Katanak is our assistant producer, and our development executive is 762 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 1: nayantar Roy. Just Be as a production of Be Real 763 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,399 Speaker 1: Productions and Endeavor Content. This episode was mixed by Sam Bear. 764 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: To catch more moments from the show, follow us on 765 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: Instagram and Just Be with Bethany