1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth. I'm in Lazar Lazar. Hello, everybody 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: nailed it. He joined us always buy our Bark da match. 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Here's Evan Lazar and Alex barr band his back together. 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome into a new edition of the 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts right here on Patriots dot Com. 7 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: Evan Lazar joined us Always by Alex Barth and I'm 8 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: calming down a little bit now. You're from You keep that, 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: you keep that at a ten for this show. I 10 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: want to get that at a ten. Let's have some fun. 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: Let's let's rip this thing open a little bit. I 12 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: want to rip this thing open because I was gonna 13 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: do this anyways. But I'm glad that Paul the background though, 14 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: because so people can go listen to Patriots Unfiltered if 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: you're just listening to this show on as a one off. 16 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 1: And Paul and I uh very friendly, by the way. 17 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: I love Paul got into it a little bit about 18 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: Mac Jones and Tuah and sort of the situation that 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: Mac Jones is in right now versus looking at Tua 20 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: in Miami, who was just the guy that I use 21 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: as the example, because Nard alert Ta right now is 22 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: number one in the league in EPA per drop back, 23 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: number one in the NFL, so he's the most supposed 24 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: to mean something. He is the most productive quarterback in 25 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: the league right now. Every single time he drops back 26 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: the past, he's the most productive quarterback in the league 27 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: right now. My point, Alex was simply that did Tua 28 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: get remarkably better from last year where he was middling 29 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: in that stat I don't know the exact ranking, but 30 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: middling an EPA. Did he get remarkably better overnight or 31 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: in one offseason that he's now grading out at least 32 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: as the best quarterback in the league. Or did the 33 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: Dolphins hire Mike McDaniel trade for Tyree Hill that one stopped? 34 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: That one signed for Toronto, signed Tron Armstead. Pect his 35 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: blind all right, you sold it already, Okay, keep going. 36 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: They did do a lot of things. Keep going. The 37 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: point that I was trying to make, and I think 38 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: you can go across the NFL nowadays and you can 39 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: make this case for several quarterbacks, not just to the 40 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: point I was trying to make, is that you need 41 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: to do everything in your power in this league to 42 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: make life as easy on the quarterback as possible, and 43 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: everything that I have seen the Patriots do going back 44 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: to the off season when Josh McDaniels took the Raider's 45 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: job and they decided to roll with Matt Patrician and 46 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: Joe Judges, their brain trust on offense and their big 47 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: offseason addition. I get they drafted Taekwon and maybe that 48 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: will end up being the big off season addition in 49 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: the long run, but he's just a rookie and then 50 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: he missed time. The big offseason addition to the offense 51 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: was Davante Parker. Ye, those were the moves that they made. 52 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: And I tweeted this out yesterday and Max only in 53 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: year two, so we're still one year away. So that's 54 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: why I'm remaining patient with the Patriots. I'm remaining patient 55 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: with mac Jones because I think that they're one year 56 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: away from that what's what's the word from from that window? Yeah, 57 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: that window that make it or break it year? Okay, 58 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's fair, make it or break it. I 59 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: think year three for quarterbacks from that bench mark is 60 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: make it or break it. And I think when you 61 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: look across the league, and I tweeted this out yesterday. 62 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: What did the Bills do in year three of Josh Allen? 63 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: They traded for Stefan Diggs. What did the Dolphins do 64 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: in year three with Tua? They traded for Tyreek Hill. 65 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: What did the Eagles do in year three with Jalen Hurts? 66 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: They traded for a J. Brown. This is the pattern now. 67 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: So the Patriots have one more offseason to go. They 68 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: have one more year to go with Mac Jones. This 69 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: is not to excuse Mac Jones for all of the 70 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: regression and some of the bad play that he's put 71 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: on tape, because he certainly has and we'll get to it. 72 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: But this is just as a way to tell people 73 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: that right now, with Matt Tricia calling his plays and 74 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: designing his offense, and his best receiver, who I think 75 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: is a good receiver, better than he was, he keeps 76 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: getting better, but his best receiver, bottom line, is Jacoby Right. 77 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: Jacoby's a really good number two, he's a fine number one. 78 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: But he's not the guy right. He's not Digs, he's 79 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: not Tyree Hill, he's not a J. Brown. He's not 80 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: one of those types of players. He's Gabriel Davis He's divide, 81 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: you know, right. So the point that I'm trying to 82 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: make is is that every single quarterback in the National 83 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: Football League looks better when the situation around him is good. Shocker, 84 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: I know, such a revelation. But when they have receivers 85 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: to throw too, they have protection, and they have good 86 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: play design, you can make a lot of quarterbacks guys 87 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: that quite frankly, I think Tua, for example, is okay 88 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: good this year. He's been excellent, but he didn't just 89 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: go from being okay good to being excellent on his 90 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: own right. And that's the biggest point that I'm trying 91 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: to make, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. 92 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: You can email in on web radio Patriots dot com 93 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: eight five five pass five hundreds the phone number and 94 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: a way in on this and Alice will take your 95 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: take here in a second. And then I do want 96 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: to actually break down Mac Jones's game on Sunday and 97 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: talk about the good and the bad, because I don't 98 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: want people to think that I'm just making excuses for Mac. 99 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: What more, what I'm doing is is critiquing the current 100 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: situation that any quarterback that would be playing for the 101 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: Patriots right now would be in But what was I 102 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: think it's funny you say that. I think the third 103 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: year thing, I don't want to say you're putting too 104 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,559 Speaker 1: much emphasis on that. It's almost a coincidence. The reason 105 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: the third year is big is because after the third 106 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: year you have to decide on the fifth year option. 107 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: After three years, you basically decide whether or not that 108 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: you know, three years of a rookie deal. You basically 109 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: decide whether or not that quarterback's the guy moving forward. Right, 110 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is the anomaly here? Yeah, you know you 111 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: throughout all those examples, the Dolphins, the Eagles, the Bills. Sure, 112 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: but what about the Bengals. They added the guy in 113 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: the second year, right in Jamar Chase for Joe Burrow. 114 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: And I think we got a great example this week 115 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: of what that kind of receiver can do for a 116 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: young quarterback. Look at what the Bengals offense looked like 117 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: without Jamar Chase. That thing was a wagon. You know, 118 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: up to that point he goes out, they can't move 119 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: the ball in the Browns who Bailey's appy shredded for 120 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: three hundred yards. Ye, So to me, it's about getting 121 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: that guy. Forget the third year. I think, get him 122 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: as soon as possible if you can get Maybe you 123 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: don't get him the first year because you'd want to 124 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: make sure that your rookie quarterback can it like, belongs 125 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: in the NFL before you you make that kind of investment. 126 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: Because all of those guys who are significant investments, every 127 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: guy you name, their digs, A J. Brown, etc. Etc. 128 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: But to me, it's just about go get the guy, 129 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: and it's night and day for what it can do 130 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: for young quarterback. And Parker's a guy. Jacoby's a guy, certainly, 131 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: but it's still you know, when they were talking about 132 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley in the offseason day being like sources, we're 133 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: saying the patrons were interested in Calvin Ridley obviously before 134 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: he got suspended. Potentially the guy, right, some of these 135 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: guys that the contracts will be up soon. I believe 136 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson is entering that key year, right, a guy 137 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: like that, the guy. You bring that guy in here, 138 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: you put that guy in this offense, all of a 139 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: sudden things are gonna look a lot better for Mac 140 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: Jones or whoever it is. Like you said, so the 141 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: third year thing I think to me is more we 142 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: have to decide by year three. So if you don't 143 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: get the quarterback that guy by year three, you're not 144 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: gonna get him that guy period. Like it's just not 145 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: gonna happen. But it's also a contractual thing, obviously. No, 146 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: but that's what I'm saying. You need to you need 147 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: to know by the end of the third year whether 148 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: or not, like that's when the decisions made. You're not 149 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: gonna go into that fourth year without an option, you know. 150 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: Very The Ravens would be an exception, lamar, but I 151 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: think they're butchering that whole situation personally. The Giants would 152 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: be an exception. But Dan Jones did not look like 153 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: a guy that deserved another contract, right, You just it's 154 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: all about getting that receiver, that guy. And I'll tell 155 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: you this when we do this show in the off season, 156 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: and you know what, I'll say this too. I cut 157 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: you off for mentioning to Ron Armstead. I shouldn't have 158 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: done that because this when we do this show in 159 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: the off season, people who were familiar with us, who 160 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: listened to our old the two previous iterations of this podcast, 161 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,119 Speaker 1: know that we are off season guys. Yes, it's gonna 162 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,239 Speaker 1: be a lot of talk about that guy at wide 163 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: receiver and at tackle is what like eighty percent of 164 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: the show is going to be and the other twenty 165 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: percent is gonna be me trying to strong and strong 166 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: arm in conversations about pass catching backs and punters, tackles, tackles, tackles, tackles. 167 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: So look, I brought up Aaron Rodgers, and you know, 168 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: Paul clapped back at me about that because Aaron Rodgers 169 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: is Aaron Rodgers, which is totally fair. But I think 170 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: that that's the perfect example to me because last year 171 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers was the MVP of the league, the two 172 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: time back to back MVP of the league with Davante 173 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: Adams at wide receiver. Then they trade Davante Adams to 174 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: Vegas and look what happened to Aaron Rodgers did. So 175 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers might be regressing. Maybe Aaron Rodgers doesn't care. 176 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: Maybe Aaron Rodgers on this one, I think he's just 177 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: checked out. Now look maybe out because they traded the 178 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: wide receiver. That probably has something to do with it. 179 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I'm saying that this is whether 180 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: no matter what excuse you want to use for why 181 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is playing poorly. All of it lines up 182 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: with the fact that he is disgruntled because he doesn't 183 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: have the weapons, and he's not producing because he doesn't 184 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: have the weapons, right Like, no matter what way you 185 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: slice it, it all comes down to that. So ultimately, 186 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: I think the point that I we have seen across 187 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: the whole NFL is that we are getting to a 188 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: point now in this league where they are not And 189 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, I'm a running backs don't matter guy out, 190 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna take it a step further. We're getting 191 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: a point and to a point in this league right 192 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: now where I want to say make I want to 193 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: be very careful how I say. There are only certain 194 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that matter. Okay, there are only certain quarterback accent matter. 195 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: I think Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes those guys. I mean, 196 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: look at Patrick Mahomes. You take Tyreek Kill off the 197 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: team and he's still got the number one offense in 198 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: the league. Doesn't doesn't matter because he's so good that 199 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I think Josh Allen has maybe gotten to 200 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: that point. I still would like to see what Josh 201 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: Allen looks like without Diggs. I think that's a very 202 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: good point that not a lot of people are talking about. 203 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: But I know, like if Josh Allen, I think it's 204 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: in the last month. I don't know if it's the 205 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: last two games, three games, whatever, the last multiple games. 206 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: His passer rating when targeting digs is up over a 207 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: hundred when he targets everybody else that's under forty. Yeah, 208 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: like Stevan Diggs has not gotten nearly enough credit for 209 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: the turnaround in Buffalo. Sure, so I think that I 210 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: still think Josh Allen is one of those guys. All 211 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: you're saying, Evan, all you're saying is Jimmy's and Joe's 212 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: not XS and os. That's basically what you're saying. I'm 213 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: just saying that a lot of quarterbacks are If you, 214 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: like you were saying, why year three or after year three, 215 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: you want to know if can this guy play in 216 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: the league or not a lot of these well, no, 217 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: you want to know that by year one, by year three, 218 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: it's do we want to move forward around this guy? 219 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: Do we want to build around this guy? A lot 220 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: of guys that we can honestly say, this dude can 221 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: play in the league at that position if you put 222 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: him on a souped up offense. He's gonna look fine. Yeah, 223 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: And I think I go back. You know, you can 224 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: go back years. You can go back to twenty nineteen. 225 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, right when you put him with George Kittle, 226 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: and you put him with Debo, and you put him 227 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: with Raheem Mostart in the backfield with a great offensive line, 228 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: with a great scheme, with a great play designer, and 229 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: even Jimmy Garoppolo, now Jimmy Garoppolo back in twenty nineteen 230 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: can get you there. I think that there is a 231 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: bottom line, right, there's like a there's a floor that 232 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: it needs to be above. You need to be above Jimmy, 233 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: the Jimmy Garoppolo, the Jared Goffs of the world. Like 234 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: that's why those teams upgraded at a quarterback or try to, 235 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: at least from the forty nine ers case, is because 236 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: that you have to be above that line. But you 237 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: can have a quarterback who's not not the truck, who's 238 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: not the dry having force of your offense if the 239 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: rest of the offense is really good. And I think 240 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: in a lot of places they have decided that it's 241 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: easier to fill in the other pieces than it is 242 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 1: to fill in the quarterback spot because there's only those 243 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: guys don't grow on trees, right, Josh Allens and Patrick 244 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: mahomes Is don't grow on trees. It's easier to find 245 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: the other guys sometimes. I've been trying to tell you 246 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: this for three years, Evan, and I'm very glad to 247 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: finally hear you say this, because I said I wrote 248 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: this in this probably no as after Brady left. It 249 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: would have been March twenty twenty. I wrote this in 250 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: March twenty twenties. The world was crumbling down that the 251 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: era of the quarterback in the NFL, the quarterback driven 252 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: era that Brady Rogers, Breeze manning, that error was coming 253 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: to an end because the NFL is a copycat league. 254 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: We all know that. I'm not breaking any news here 255 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: with that. But what happened the trend was team saw Brady, 256 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: and then they saw Breeze, and then they saw Rogers, 257 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: and it was basically this, Hey, it would be cool 258 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: if we had one of those guys, right, But then 259 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: what happens is for every Aaron Rodgers, you get twenty 260 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: I don't know Kirk Cousins, right, or not even Kirk Cousins, 261 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: because right now yeah, I should have thought, who knows, 262 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: give me just give me a bus, Give me a bus. 263 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: Jake Locker. Jake Locker, well he retired early. I used 264 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: to use him. I trying not to use them. Jake Blocker, 265 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: Christian Ponder, Chrichard Ponder. That's perfect because similar kind of player. 266 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: Um For every Aaron Rodgers, you get twenty Christian Ponders. 267 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: And I think the belief in the league for years, 268 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: like decades, almost two decades, was, well, you know what, 269 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: it's worth striking out trying to find that guy, because 270 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: if we do hit gold, the upside is enormous. And 271 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 1: like three or four teams hit gold and that's it. 272 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: And then what happened was for every Patrick Mahomes, there's 273 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: ten Mitchell Trubisky's, for every Josh Allen there there's ten 274 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: or twenty Zach Wilsons. And I think what teams kind 275 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: of start to realize is, hey, the risk reward here, 276 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: unless we are one hundred percent sure, unless we are 277 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: picking in the top five, whatever the draft, it's not 278 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: worth it. You can much more reliably add a good, 279 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: good tackle, you build a good offensive line, good wide receivers, 280 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: get a build up a dominant defense, and when you 281 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: have all that in place, the room the margin for 282 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: error in picking your quarterback is significantly less. You just 283 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: need to plug in a guy Evan. You know what 284 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: term I'm gonna use, It's my favorite term when we 285 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: talk about quarterbacks, a net neutral quarterback. If you instead 286 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: of exhausting the however many assets, right, you need a 287 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: distributor instead of trading you know, four first round picks 288 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: and all of this to get the guy who may 289 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: or may not be the quarterback. You put all those 290 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: assets into the rest of your roster, You build it up, 291 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: and then you just get a quarterback who won't mess up, 292 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: a guy who won't make you worse. It doesn't necessarily 293 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: need to make it better. It's what the Niners did. 294 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: The Titans got very close on that model the Bills 295 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: before Josh Josh Allen really took cough. That's kind of 296 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: what they were building to. This is the new model 297 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: in the NFL. We are out of the quarterback driven era. Look, 298 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: there's always going to be guys like Patrick Mahomes who 299 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: just tear the league up, but the difference is teams 300 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: are going to sell the farm less to get a 301 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: shot at one of those guys because they are going 302 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: to spread those assets out build up the rest of 303 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: the roster. Yeah, and I think that that needs to 304 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: be the approach here. I think that here being the Patriot, Yes, 305 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: I think that. I know he's turned the ball over 306 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: a lot. We've talked about kind of what they've done 307 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: around him with the offense. I think Matt can at 308 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: the very least be a net neutral quarterback. That's what 309 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: he was for all of last year outside of the 310 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: Buffalo games. He was net neutral or better. I think 311 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: he can be the net neutral guy in that system. Yeah. 312 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: And I think for a guy like Tua, which is 313 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: kind of my point, is that I think that to 314 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: sees the field well and knows where to distribute the football, 315 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: but he's not the playmaker in that offense, right, He's 316 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: the distributor, He's the point guard. I'm gonna cross sports. 317 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: I know we don't. We don't like to do this 318 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: on your station. I don't care to. Is like Rajon Rondo, right, 319 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: Like he's just standing out at the top of the key. 320 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: Ray Allen's coming off a pick over here, Paul Piers 321 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: is setting up on the elbow over there, and he's 322 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: just getting them the ball and the places that they 323 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: do do their thing right. And then he's getting out 324 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: of the way that he is getting out of the 325 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: way of Mike McDaniel's scheme Tyreek Hill, and he is 326 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: allowing the engine the foundation to do the work and 327 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: to his credit, he's doing a great job of it right. 328 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with them. You know What's a 329 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: big part of that. His interception percentage has been cut 330 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: in half from last year. It's not it's not a 331 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: mistake that guys that don't have to force the ball 332 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: force the ball right. The guys that don't have to 333 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: force the issue because they don't have excellent playmakers, they 334 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: don't have excellent scheme turn the ball over less. That's 335 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: not that's not a coincidence. All right. Now, we've talked 336 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: a lot about the big pick. Sure, I want to 337 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: get into the nitty gritty of Mac Jones' performance on Sunday. 338 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: There's been a lot of reactions to how he played 339 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: on Sunday. I was right there with everybody after the 340 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: game on Sunday. During the game on Sunday, I wrote 341 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: in my game Observations piece that both teams, both the 342 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: Jets and the Patriots have big time questions about their 343 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: future at Jets questions are much bigger after watching the tape, 344 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: after digesting it a little bit and watching the film, 345 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: I've come back towards the middle with Mac Jones. I 346 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: think that saying he played well on Sundays a little 347 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: bit of a stretch for me. I wouldn't say necessarily 348 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: played well. But like I said on Unfiltered, I think 349 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: he survived the game and a lot of instances, and 350 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: I think he made some plays early on in the 351 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: game on third down that we're really key to them 352 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: not falling behind by too much that they couldn't get 353 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: back in the game right. If he doesn't make the 354 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: third down scrambles the two scrambles that he had, if 355 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: he doesn't make the throat of Jacobe Myers over the 356 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: middle on the cross, or if he doesn't hit Romandre 357 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: on the angle route out of the back field, they go. 358 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: They went in a stretch there. They went six for 359 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: eight on third down. They kept the offense on the field, 360 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: they moved the football a little bit, and they allowed 361 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: the defense to find its footing and allowed Water to 362 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: find its level with Zach Wilson, and then they ran 363 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: away with it a little bit there after that. So 364 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: I think that in a lot of ways, this is 365 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: why the coaching staff has been so high on Mac 366 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: Jones's performance on Sundays, because he did what they wanted 367 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: him to do in that game. And just like Joe 368 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: Judge said, it's not necessarily the stuff that goes on 369 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: the ESPN highlight reels. But I don't really think the 370 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: people down in football ops here at gled Stadium give 371 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: a crap about the ESPN highlight reels. They only care 372 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: about wins and losses and whether or not that matters. 373 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: And we get into the discourse of Okay, well, let's 374 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: look at the big picture and are they going to 375 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: be able to be Buffalo? And are they going to 376 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: be able to be They're just thinking about the Colts 377 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: right like, they're not cowed up in oh Okay. You know. 378 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: Maybe in the off season maybe at times they get 379 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: into that a little bit, but I think for the 380 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: most part, they're kind of thinking we to week game 381 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: to game. So in that respect, I thought Mac Jones 382 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: managed the game well and he survived one of the 383 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: worst offensive line performances I have seen for the Patriots 384 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: and quite some time I would say that to off 385 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: the top of my head, that AFC Championship game in Denver, right, 386 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: like that one was Brady was under siege. Let's just 387 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: do this. We've both covered the team since twenty eighteen. Yeah, 388 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: so like in actually watching that, I struggle to remember 389 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: one that was that bad. Yeah, the line was like collectively, 390 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: I can remember individual performances that stood out, but collectively 391 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: five across, I don't remember the last time. I don't 392 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: know that there's a time he looked like that as 393 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: long as I've been covering the team. You're right, So 394 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: he survived pressure. And I would also mention that with 395 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: surviving the pressure, they didn't do a ton of things 396 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: to protect him more than just putting five guys in 397 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: the protection. And I think a big reason why is 398 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: that they were playing his zone coverage team, And if 399 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: you're just putting two or three guys in the route 400 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: against his zone coverage team, you're just not gonna get 401 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: many guys open down the field, right because you're gonna 402 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: have six seven guys back in coverage against three routes. 403 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: It's just not a lot of distribution to get guys open. 404 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: So I think they looked at it, and they were like, 405 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna have to be a little bit 406 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: shotgun heavy in this game. We were gonna They went 407 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: empty a decent amount actually in the game as well, 408 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: and they put it all on Mac to just get 409 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: the ball out and figure out how to handle and 410 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: survive in that pressure cooker. And he did okay with it. Now, 411 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: the things that I nip picked him on, I more 412 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: was nip picking the coaching and the play calling on 413 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: the interception that counted. I was talking about it just 414 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: now too. I mean also the pass blocking he got 415 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: hit right, yes, of course in the past protection, but 416 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: from a coaching standpoint at drive, that play drove me 417 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: nuts because you're getting down the field all game long 418 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: by digging and dunking like you're you're throwing at the 419 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: sticks or in front of the sticks. You're you know, 420 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: throwing to angle routes to Modri Stevenson. You're calling plays 421 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: to get Jakobe Meyers, you know, blocking on a third 422 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: down and get him up the sideline. You're dumping it 423 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: off to Johnny Smith and letting him carry the football 424 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: across the line to gain like he can. And you're 425 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: doing all these things to manage the situation and understand 426 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: who you're playing. Then on third and nine from about midfield, 427 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: you dial up a double move to Kendrick Bourne. You 428 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: do chip, right, You at least did that. Nelson Aghaloor 429 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: chips the end. It's not enough because Marcus Cannon still 430 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: gets beat. But you're basically calling up a play on 431 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: third and nine. It takes at least three seconds to hit, 432 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: like you need three seconds to hit on that play, 433 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: and they just don't have the offensive line play right 434 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: now to dial up these shots. So that was the 435 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: one time where I thought the game got away from 436 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: them a little bit, just in terms of play calling, protection, 437 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: quarterback situation, and just kind of understanding what they were 438 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: cable will up doing against the Jets defense. That was 439 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: the one time I thought it it slipped away. I 440 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: had him for two sacks that I thought he had 441 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: openings down the field, not necessarily for big plays or 442 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: anything like that, but you know, he missed Kendrick Bord. 443 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: I'm like a quick game concept. I think there are 444 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: some check downs that maybe he could have gotten the 445 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: ball too. On the other one where he didn't have 446 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: to take a sack necessarily. Let me ask you for 447 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: this one, because I keep going back and forth. When 448 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: I watched the play was early in the game. They're 449 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: in the red zone. It's I believe it's a first 450 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: and goal and he drops back. It's pretty well covered. 451 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: The Jets kind of drop everybody back into the end zone. 452 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: He has Nelson Aguiler coming across at about the four 453 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: right and there's there's two there's two linebackers kind of 454 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: around him, but there's a window there for him to 455 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: just catch and get like he's not gonna run after 456 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: the catch. Do you know what play I'm talking about? 457 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: I think so, like I remember the actually the full details. 458 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: I keep going back on forth on that one, whether 459 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: or not. But you know, you talk about I think 460 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: the biggest thing with Mac, one of the biggest things 461 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: with Mac from last season to this season. How many 462 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: times did we hear him talk about last year take 463 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: a profit? Right? Yeah, when it was early in the season, 464 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: and believe it or not, like this time last year, 465 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: the conversation was Max refusing to throw the ball DP. 466 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: Isn't that nuts? Right? Remember that world? Mac basically has 467 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: answered all those questions was sometimes you got to take 468 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: a profit when the defense lets you, and it feels 469 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: like he's gone to complete other and I don't know 470 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: this is him, whether it's coaching, whether it's whatever. It 471 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: feels like there's been a complete one eighty on that 472 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: this year where he's not taking a profit when it's 473 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: there and instead continuing to look down the field. That 474 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: was one spot where that stood out. I thought he 475 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: did a better job of it in this game. There 476 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,959 Speaker 1: was a throw underneath to Damian Harris that you know 477 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: he I think he kind of felt the pressure and 478 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: just got it out and picked up whatever it was 479 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,719 Speaker 1: three yards on first down. That was good plays like that, 480 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: But it's it's the taking a profit thing with him 481 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: that I'm really interested to see how it develops down 482 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: the stretch here. Yeah, I think he did a better 483 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: job of this and of that in this game. I 484 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: also think that after the tipped interception, the coaching staff 485 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: stopped calling the downfield shots pretty much right. They are 486 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: just kind of like, all right, this is not the 487 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: game for this, Like we just don't have the protection 488 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: right now, and this is just not the situation for 489 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: this game. This game, we just kind of need to 490 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: get out of here without turning the ball over get 491 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: the points that we can get and make Zach Wilson 492 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: win the game, right, And I think they kind of 493 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,479 Speaker 1: got back into that after that one play. So I 494 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: think that taking the profit stuff is a really fair point. 495 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: I do think that there are some instances where he's 496 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: holding the ball a little bit longer than he probably should. 497 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: But I also think that from a big picture, to 498 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: go back to, like our opening here, now we can 499 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: move on. I think that from a big picture standpoint, 500 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: the nit picking and the I guess just the expectations 501 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: right now are astronomically high for this guy, and I 502 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: think at some point we have to recognize put it 503 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: all in context, right, which is what I was trying 504 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: to do off the top, which is play calling, coaching, 505 00:24:55,480 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: playmaker's offensive line, play, the whole situation around him. And 506 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: also remember that you know, at the end of the day, 507 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: he is only twenty three starts into his career, and 508 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people think that twenty three 509 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: starts in we should know exactly who he is, and 510 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: we should he should be taking that next step and 511 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't always happen like that. Next year. That's that's 512 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: that's a conversation we have this time next year, right, 513 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: So there's the mac thirty minutes that we have to 514 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: do every show. Now it feels like, but I mean, 515 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,239 Speaker 1: he's the quarterback. I do want to make sure that 516 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 1: we get to the nitty gritty of how I thought 517 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: he played and how you thought he played, which was 518 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: I thought he played fine, and I think people here 519 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: fine and they're like, oh, you gave you're giving him 520 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: a passing grade. I would give him a passing grade. 521 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: I would give him like a C or C minus. Right, 522 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: he's fine. That's not saying that he that he's a plus. Right, 523 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: you want him to be better than fine too. Yeah, 524 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: that's kind of where I'm at. Like, I think he 525 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: showed progress in that game, which is great, and you 526 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: always want to see him showing progress. But and this 527 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: isn't just a him thing. There's a lot of circumstances 528 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,479 Speaker 1: that lead into this. The fact that it's weak eight 529 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: and we're sitting here saying, yeah, he's making progress like 530 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: in week eight kind of hurts a little bit. And 531 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: he missed time, right, he had injury. So it's it's 532 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: not entirely like, oh hey, he hasn't made any progress 533 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: up until this point, But it's just the entire process 534 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: between the injury, going back to the summer and in 535 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: the different offensive systems. It's just it all feels a 536 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: little delayed. Yeah, And it does feel so much different 537 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: than it did when I was leaving MetLife Stadium on 538 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon. I really thought that he played terribly. I 539 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: buried him, you know, I said, the fourth down play, 540 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: he missed Hunter Henry in the flat the you know, 541 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: the interception. I thought he could have gotten the ball 542 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: out to the checkdowns underneath. You know, he had the 543 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: crossing routes underneath. I would have thrown the ball there 544 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: at that situation, just you know, being mindful of the 545 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,239 Speaker 1: fact that Marcus Cannon has one on one on your 546 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: right side, right, like understanding as a quarterback, your internal clock. 547 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: Like I thought he in that game. I thought that 548 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: the sack numbers were on the quarterback a little bit right. 549 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: He took six sacks, and sometimes it's on the quarterback 550 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: because he holds a football for too long. And I 551 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: still think some of that is valid. But I think 552 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: I came back a little bit more down to earth 553 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 1: and wasn't quite as or back up to earth, I 554 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: guess because I was down low right back to level. 555 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 1: I wasn't quite as upset or quite as reactionary to 556 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: how he played. I do want to talk about the 557 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: offensive I know. I promise we'll get to the calls 558 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: here on the call screen in a second. I do 559 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: want to talk about the offensive line, because this, to me, 560 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: right now way the quarterback is gonna get the headlines. 561 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 1: The quarterback is always gonna get the headlines. And we're 562 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: going to talk about the quarterback longer than we're gonna 563 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: talk about the line. But on this show, we talk 564 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: about the line, and we're making sure that we're hitting 565 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: this because anything more like this is the biggest problem 566 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: with the team right now. Yep, flat out, this is 567 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: the biggest problem with the team right now now. I 568 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: think a lot of the interior issues, like what we 569 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: saw from Cole Strange and obviously James Ferret's just his 570 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: play in a vacuum, gets fixed when David Andrews comes back. 571 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: But unfortunately, we were out at practice a couple of 572 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: hours ago and David Andrews wasn't there. So David Andrews 573 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: isn't coming back this week at least as of right now. 574 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: Based off of what we know. He could still practice 575 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: on Thursday and Friday and play on Sundays certainly, but 576 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: as of what we know right now, he's still in 577 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: concussion protocol, so he still got a little bit ways 578 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: to go. So David Andrews's absence impact the two positions 579 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: right because it made Cold Strange worse and James Farence 580 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: is a drop off at center just on his own, 581 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: and right tackle is the biggest hole on this team 582 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: right now. They have major major issues at right tackle. Now, 583 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: we were out of practice, we saw Isaiah Win a 584 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: little bit at guard and some of the walkthrough stuff 585 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: that they were doing. Maybe that's a possibility that he 586 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: plays guard a little bit more in this game coming up, 587 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: and maybe they kick Mike on when you back outside, 588 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: like maybe that's what they're thinking. I don't know, but 589 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: they have to figure out a way to stabilize right tackle. 590 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: What do you think is the best path forward? Because 591 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: again I think center and guard left guard will fix 592 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: itself with David Andrews coming back, or at least be 593 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: able like what it was for most of the season. 594 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: But what do you do at tackle because right tackle 595 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: right now is a major major issue for this team. 596 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: I So what I would do is move Michael and 597 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: went out there, and I know that he's talked about 598 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: how helpful it's been to his development this year to 599 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: not be changing positions, which he did a lot the 600 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: first years. He's talked about that. I know he's talked. 601 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: You know, they've talked about how nice it is to 602 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: kind of have him in that spot in his development. 603 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: All that he's been good at right guard, he's been 604 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: very good, but he's a very very good right tackle 605 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: as well. And just philosophically, I would rather have to 606 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: cover up an issue at guard than tackle. I think 607 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: it's easier to cover up an issue with card than tackle. 608 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what they do at right guard in 609 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: that scenario, right I don't really think James ference is 610 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: a right gardener system. You're not gonna move Cole Strange 611 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: over there. You're not gonna put Isaiah Win in there. 612 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: If Chason Hines wasn't on i R, I'd say throw 613 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: Chasing Hines in there at right guard. Maybe when he's 614 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: back from my R. It's something they can consider, But 615 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: now it's to say, and you're moving pieces on the 616 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: offensive line. So I don't know, So maybe that's why, 617 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: Maybe that's why they're not doing it because they don't 618 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: have the guard to fill in that spot. Besides that, 619 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: I think you have to give Yanni kadjusta look at 620 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: this point. I know he was a DNP last week. 621 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: I wonder if they just wanted to get him back 622 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: out there at practice and they had the spot to 623 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: activate him, and maybe he just kind of needed a 624 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: week right to get back into game shape here. But 625 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: I think you have to give him a look. He 626 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: did flash at times over the summer. If it's not him, 627 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: I think you just have to ride with Marcus Cannon 628 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: and whether it's leaving six in the protection at a 629 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: higher rate or whatever it is using more plays that 630 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: involved chips and things like that, you're just gonna have 631 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: to make two at that point. And there's things they 632 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: can do with the play calling that I think will 633 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: help with that, right, it's more play action, some of 634 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: the RPO stuff that they It looked like they broke 635 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: out a little more last week. But yeah, if I 636 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: go with Cajust and then if it's not him, you 637 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: just you have to improvise because I think Isaiah Winn 638 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: just what is it three times in four weeks now, 639 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: he hasn't finished a game and then he was inactive 640 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: for another so he doesn't seem to be the answer. 641 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: I like Marcus Cannon better right now, just because I mean, 642 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna give you what he's gonna give you running blocks, 643 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: and he's just more consistent. I think being able to 644 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: you can plan around consistency, right, consistent, I'm not gonna 645 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: say it, no, but I'm not gonna say it, but 646 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: at least you know what you're gonna get. You can 647 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: plan around that. Instead of Isaiah Win, who's been very 648 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,959 Speaker 1: volatile over there right like some places he's finding then 649 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: in another play, he doesn't even get his hands on 650 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: the guy. I'll say this, at least Marcus can. Has 651 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: he been finishing blocks in the passing game, No, but 652 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: he's gotten his hands on the guy for the most part. 653 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: On eight hurries on Sunday. Yeah, but he's at least 654 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: getting his hands on the guy. I think that's the 655 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: highest I've seen in a game for a tackle in 656 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: a long time. Eight hurries. It's not good. So I 657 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: don't know his KARIS stat. He can't. The problem with 658 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: him is that his foot speed was never elite, like 659 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: he was a guard playing tackle in with and now 660 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: that he's older, his foot speed has regressed even more 661 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: to the point where he can't get out to his 662 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: landmark on his corner. Let me ask you this, like, 663 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: how many times did he allow a guy in the 664 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: backfield under two seconds? I mean the play where he 665 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: got the interception. I timed it twice. I think it 666 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: was like two point eight two point nine seconds. So 667 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: but that's you can work around that. With Isaiah Win. 668 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: There's been multiple times this year where's under two seconds 669 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: the guy gets in there. Yeah. I think the biggest 670 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: thing that you see with Cannon, like I said, is 671 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: that his footspeed has declined to the point now where 672 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: he can't get out to his landmark to protect his edge. 673 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: So what he's doing instead is overcompensating, Right, He's getting 674 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: out of his stance and he's overcompensating to get out 675 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: to the edge. So now he's getting beat inside. So 676 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: I was getting beat both ways, right, because if you 677 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: just play it straight up, he's getting beat around the corner, 678 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,959 Speaker 1: and if he overcompensates and he's getting beaten inside, and 679 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: so he's just getting beaten everywhere. And ultimately I think 680 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: he at this stage of his career is the sixth 681 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: offensive lineman, right, Like, he's the tackle eligible. You bring 682 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: him in on rundowns. You get him to be able 683 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: to double team and things like that at the point 684 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: of attack. And he can still come off the ball 685 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: and run block people and move people in on the 686 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. That I think he can still do 687 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: at this stage of his career. He just can't pass protect. 688 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: So to me, Yanni kadjuices your it's got to get 689 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: a chance. He's got to get a look. Maybe they 690 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: just give him that look in practice and we never 691 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: actually see it if it's bad, right, Like, I don't know, 692 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: but he's got to get a look somewhere. And with 693 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: Isaiah Win, it's really it's it's been a disappointing kind 694 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: of nosedive for Isaiah Win because he's a talented guy. 695 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: He's a talent is not an issue with that guy, right, 696 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: It's commitment. It's like being locked in right, Right, It's effort. 697 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: His effort on Sunday, and I hate calling out effort, 698 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: but his effort on it was not good. It just 699 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: it blatantly wasn't good. I mean, they're the very I 700 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,959 Speaker 1: sent you the clip the very first pass set of 701 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: the game that he has at right tackle, gets walked 702 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: into mac Jones in like two point four seconds, right 703 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: into his lap. He's just got Isaiah Win right in 704 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: his lap. And I'm like, look, John Franklmeyer is a 705 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: good rusher, all right. And he gets into that frog stands, 706 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: that four point stands, and he gets right into his 707 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: pads and he walks him back on the bull rush 708 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 1: and like, HiT's a good player, but like, I gotta 709 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: have some sort of anchor, Like at some point you 710 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: got to drop the anchor. And he just went right 711 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: on skates right into mac Jones. You can't have reps 712 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: like that. So their best bet is their best five 713 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: involves Isaiah Win from a talent standpoint. But at this point, 714 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: I've written him off because I just don't think the 715 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 1: effort is there, and I don't think you're gonna get 716 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,399 Speaker 1: the effort from him. I don't think they're gonna give 717 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: him a contract that's not gonna make him happy anyways, 718 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: because it's making ten million dollars a year this year, 719 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: so it's not money, right, Maybe it's the position change, 720 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: but ultimately it's like, all right, dude, Like Ray games 721 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: into the season at this point, so some point, you 722 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: got to get over it that they switched to a 723 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: right tackle. So I think Yanni could us has got 724 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: to see a look. I think Marcus Cannon's ultimately what 725 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: they're going to have to roll with and live with it. 726 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: Like you said, now, the last thing I want to 727 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: say on this, and then some of these club has 728 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: been waiting around for a while, so we'll get to them. 729 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: If you look at offenses around in the league in 730 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: years past and now, I'm not saying the Patriots haven't 731 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: necessarily started to do this a little bit more, because 732 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: I think they did against the Jets on Sunday. I 733 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: think I'll go back to Miami because I think it's 734 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: a good example. They've had really bad offensive line play 735 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: for a while in Miami. It's gotten much better this year. 736 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: It's a big reason why they've turned their passing game around. 737 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: But just in general, they've had bad offensive line play 738 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: for a while. So what do they do. They never 739 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 1: threw the ball downfield right. They never asked to drop 740 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: back and hold the ball for three seconds and hit 741 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: a double move frequently like they would do it like 742 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: once or twice a game, right and the other thing. 743 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: And that's why I get so giddy about it is 744 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: Miami has always been a huge RPO team, right always, 745 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: even before Mike pick Daniel got there. So the Madrid's 746 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: finally called thirteen RPOs on Sunday and they get in 747 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: the second half especially they came out the first driver, 748 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: Monrea goes for thirty five yards and that puts the 749 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: drive into scoring range and they didn't need it. They 750 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: did run one RPO. I shouldn't said they didn't need it. 751 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: They one ran one RPO on that play. They gained 752 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 1: nine yards on a screen to Jacobe Myers. That got 753 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: them into that position to score that touchdown. So they 754 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: did run one at least. But then on that next 755 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: drive when they got at the field goal, they that 756 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 1: was like a twenty five thirty yard drive where they 757 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,720 Speaker 1: they had to drive a little bit into field grange. 758 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: It wasn't one of the drives where they got the 759 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: ball already in Jets territory. It was all RPO. It 760 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: was like six or seven of them in a row. 761 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: And that's great for a line that's struggling, right because 762 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: the ball's coming out quickly. You're getting the numbers advantage 763 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: in the box to help them in the running game 764 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: and lightening the box and you're allowing there. It's it's 765 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: like an offensive line proof play as long as they 766 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 1: don't get called for a legal man down the field, 767 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: like that's like the only thing which you could do 768 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: wrong in that situation is usually more on the quarterback 769 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: than on the line. I mean, they're just kind of 770 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,959 Speaker 1: executing their assignment right, And it's good for you mentioned 771 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: the offensive line. It's good for a guy who's comfortable 772 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: in that situation. Mac Jones ran us on RPOs at Alabama, 773 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: so did Ta. That's why it's it's such a big 774 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: play there. And by the way, in Philly as well. 775 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: I know Jalen Hurts is technically an Oklahoma quarterback, but 776 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: four years at Alabama, one year with the Sooners under 777 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: under Lincoln. Yeah, they run a ton of them too. Yeah. 778 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: So um love seeing that become a part of the offense. 779 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: And one more thing I meant to bring this up, 780 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: and we did the big picture thing with the quarterbacks 781 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: right about Remember when Patriot drafted Mac and one of 782 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: the big knocks was Alabama quarterbacks never work out And 783 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: are you taking an Alabama No, I'm not, I'm not. 784 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 1: I'm saying I'm saying with two it took a couple 785 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: of years, yes, but Jalen Hurts it took a couple 786 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: of years, right, Mac Max's the last guy of that group, 787 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: and then we'll see what happens with brycey Young next year. 788 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: But um, all right, a little victory lap because remember 789 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: I said at the time, it's different. They changed their 790 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: offense a couple of years ago, right when when Bryce 791 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: Young came in. But you kind of see how these 792 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: quarterbacks from that offense, it's adapt to the modern game. 793 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: Max about where Tour Jalen Hurts were what a year ago? 794 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: That point, that's my point, that's all. My point is. 795 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: My point is not to sit here. Your point is 796 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: my victory lab. Yeah. My point is not to sit 797 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: here and say that Mac Jones is this elite quarterback 798 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: that they're holding back. My point isn't to say that 799 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: Mac Jones is free of blame for the things that 800 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: are going wrong, right. My point is is that if 801 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: you put him in a more functional situation, he will 802 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: play better. Shocker, it's really not revelation. It's really not 803 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: We really get into the nitty gritty on this show, folks. 804 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: All Right, Sean and Vancouver. What do you got, Sehn, 805 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: let me take you off speaker phone. Sorry, Yeah, you're good, 806 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: join that. Yeah, okay. You know, all this stoom and 807 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: gloom this week, it kind of like it confuses me 808 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: a bit. Maybe it's because I'm an old lung, you know, 809 00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: lifelong Patriots fan, or I don't have huge expectations for 810 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: this team. I was thinking nine wins before it started, 811 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: But with this week, the way I feel it just 812 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: summed up this way. You know, when you're down and 813 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: you're feeling low and your team seems to blow, what 814 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: you need is to play the Jets and beat once again, 815 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: beat your foe. That's that's that's the way I see it. 816 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: Thanks Sean, Thanks for the call. So this is a 817 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,879 Speaker 1: good segue because I did want to talk a little 818 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: bit about Zach Wilson and the Jets and what kind 819 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: of happened on Sunday with that. So I was I 820 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 1: was gonna watch this tape and I was hoping, Alex, 821 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: not hoping for the Patriot's sake, I was kind of 822 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: hoping for Zach Wilson's sake. Honestly, they did like something 823 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: super exotic that that they actually respected Zach Wilson where 824 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: they said okay, because this happened with Josh Allen. Eventually, 825 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick got to the point where he was like, 826 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: I can't just play him straight up anymore, right right, 827 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: Like I have to start doing some different things. We 828 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,760 Speaker 1: have to disguise on the back, and we have to 829 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: drop some different pressures in The Patriots ran some of 830 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: those replacement pressures that I broke down and after further review, 831 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: where they dropped rushers off the line into coverage and 832 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: they blitz coverage guys, right, like they blitz guys from 833 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: the second level, or they blitz safeties and they're dropping 834 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: edges off and they're confusing the protection a little bit 835 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: like that. That'sn't necessarily about Zack Wilson. That's just confusing 836 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: the offensive line, right, it's attacking the offensive line. They 837 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: really all three of his interceptions in this game, the 838 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: one came against the blitz, right, that was like the 839 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 1: one Juwan Bentley pick was a blitz. Yeah. The rest 840 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: of them, he just threw it to the Patriots. And 841 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that to be like, oh, like, you know, 842 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: the Patriots offense isn't actually that good or anything like that. 843 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,359 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that he's not good. He's not good. 844 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: And for all the Patriots fans that are freaking out 845 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: about mac Jones, just look at that guy. Because the 846 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: thing about mac Jones, he's shown he can do it. 847 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: Maybe not this year, but he's played at an NFL level. 848 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: Has Zach Wilson ever been in NFL quarterback? And I 849 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,959 Speaker 1: think there were time. I think there have been games 850 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: if you have briefly, if briefly, and if it's briefly, 851 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: then no, he wasn't say. The thing is is like 852 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh, look at his interception numbers up until 853 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,240 Speaker 1: Patriot the Patriots game, they're down. PFF tracks turnover worthy plays, 854 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: which like everybody should pay attention to because that accounts 855 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: for dropped interceptions or fumbles that are covered by yourself, 856 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: you know, by by you know, the offense, and things 857 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,359 Speaker 1: like that that are really turnover worthy plays but don't 858 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: count as turnovers. He was still up near the top 859 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: of the league and knows he was getting lucky as 860 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: he's And I'll say this, and I know you guys 861 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: were talking about this unfiltered ear on Unfiltered earlier, and 862 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna disagree with the point. I don't remember 863 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 1: who made it. I actually think Zach Wilson's in a 864 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: pretty good spot. I think Robert Salin knows what he's doing. 865 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 1: Lafleur is a good coach. They've got talent around him. Now, look, 866 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: they didn't have Corey Davis on the field, but Garrett 867 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: Wilson can clearly play. I think Tala Conklin's a little underrated. 868 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: Their offensive line isn't terrible. They've obviously got a good defense. 869 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: It's going to put him in good spots. Um, he's 870 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: not in the worst situation of any quarterback, right. I 871 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,280 Speaker 1: would argue that he's in a better situation than Justin 872 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: Fields for instance. Yeah, they rapped around the last two 873 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: weeks with Justin Fields and they finally, finally, finally, but 874 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 1: like design quarterback rounds in and that's helped. Yeah, even 875 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: when it wasn't, Fields was still playing better than him. 876 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,240 Speaker 1: So he's just not good. And I will give the Patriots. 877 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,839 Speaker 1: Here's why I give the Patriots defense credit on his interceptions. 878 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,799 Speaker 1: Like you said, he kind of threw it right to him. 879 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's not like they were being that exotic 880 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 1: in the secondary. But what the Patriots defense did specifically 881 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: up front that killed them in the Bears game, and 882 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,800 Speaker 1: it was a total one eighty was a lot of 883 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: what would hurt them against the Bears was guys are 884 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 1: being way too aggressive going after the quarterback, over pursuing, overextending, 885 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: creating all these rush lanes behind them, allowing Justin Fields 886 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 1: to get out into space create with his legs. Now, 887 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: Wilson's not quite the runner that Fields is, but he 888 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 1: can move around a little bit if you give him 889 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 1: the opportunity. That's what he wants to do, right. Instead 890 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: of over pursuing and being too aggressive and chasing him, 891 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: they sort of just hemmed him in. It really felt 892 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 1: like what the pass rush was doing was just kind 893 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: of boxing him into the sideline and then daring him 894 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 1: to make a decision. Absolutely, and that's a great way 895 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 1: of putting it. And it was really well done, right, 896 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: And that's how they coach it, That's how they want 897 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: their defense operate. That's how Bill Belichick has always wanted 898 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: his defense to operate. Right. They had two sacks and 899 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,800 Speaker 1: garbage time, which in whatever like, sacks are good, but 900 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: their whole philosophy is a sack is just as good 901 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,240 Speaker 1: as an incompletion right because the offense isn't going anywhere. 902 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,839 Speaker 1: So they really got away from that in the Bears game. 903 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: It was maybe a bigger issue in that game than 904 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 1: anything else. It was nice to see them get back 905 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,879 Speaker 1: to that, especially because now they've got Sam Ellinger who's 906 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: going to run around a little bit. They'll face Wilson 907 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: again and then he get into josh All Kyler. They 908 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: need to be disciplined when they're rushing the pass or 909 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 1: in all of those guys, Matthew, Jude On Daniel equally especially. 910 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: I thought Dietrich Wis was fantastic in this game. Showed 911 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 1: up in the statue with one tackle and a pass deflection. 912 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: That was it. But he was excellent. Yeah, all of 913 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: those guys did a much hurries in this game. All 914 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: of those guys did a much better job. That's exactly it. Like, 915 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 1: they only had two sacks and two quarterback knockdowns, but 916 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: there was somebody with their hands and jot in Zach 917 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 1: Wilson's face throughout that entire game. And that's what their 918 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 1: philosophy is when it comes to rushing the passer. So 919 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: I thought that in one more name that you didn't 920 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: mention there josh Ujay, Yeah, had one of his better 921 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 1: games as a Patriot in my opinion in this game. 922 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: A big reason why is remember a couple of weeks ago. 923 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: I think it was like a month ago now, and 924 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 1: I know these weeks starting to blur again. Dude, it's crazy. 925 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: It was mid July and we showed up for the 926 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 1: first day camp and then I blanked, and now it's 927 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,279 Speaker 1: like almost the bye week. Yeah. So Matthew Judan said 928 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: that they had plays pass rushes designed to just get 929 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: give him a green light and he just goes right. 930 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 1: So they had a couple of those in there on Sunday, 931 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: and the guy that was what you would call making 932 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: him right right, yeh, was josh Jay. So what Judon 933 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: would do is Judan's got a two way ago. He 934 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: can go inside, he can go outside. He's just getting 935 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 1: to the quarterback, however he wants to get to the quarterback. 936 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: And what josh Uja is doing is he's kind of spy, right, 937 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,399 Speaker 1: He's standing there waiting for Judon to make his move. 938 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,840 Speaker 1: If Judon goes outside, then Uja is gonna stay inside 939 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 1: and keep the pocket closed. If Judon goes inside, then 940 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 1: Uja goes outside to close the pocket in that direction, right, 941 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,239 Speaker 1: So he's just gonna make him right. No matter what 942 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: Judon does, He's gonna make him right. And I thought 943 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,959 Speaker 1: Ja did a great job in this game of doing 944 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 1: just that. There was one play in particular in the 945 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 1: red zone third down red zone, which are big key plays, 946 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: right four point plays as Michael Lombardi calls them. Matthew 947 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: Judon had to go. He had a green light, just 948 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 1: go after Zach Wilson. He pressured Zach Wilson, but he 949 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 1: didn't get him down, and Zach Wilson tried to roll 950 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: to his left and Uja was standing right there waiting 951 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,120 Speaker 1: for him, and that made Zach Wilson, like you said, 952 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: make a decision. He had to throw the football. He 953 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,319 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna run around Uja, so he had to throw 954 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,399 Speaker 1: the football. And that was really a well done well 955 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 1: like you said, just lay it out perfectly well contained 956 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,839 Speaker 1: pass rush. Like they got pressure on Wilson. He wasn't 957 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,759 Speaker 1: just standing there at the all day to throw, but 958 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,360 Speaker 1: they were also able to make it so that he 959 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: wasn't killing him with their with his legs. And I 960 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: think that hopefully moving forward because like you said, you 961 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,919 Speaker 1: just rattled it off Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Like they're 962 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: going to play some more mobile quarterbacks here down the stretch, 963 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: even a guy like Ellinger who's we'll get to him 964 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: in a second and how mobile he really is. But 965 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,360 Speaker 1: even a guy like Ellen who can run around a 966 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 1: little bit, This to me is the formula. The formula 967 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,360 Speaker 1: is not the mush rush, Like we can punt the 968 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 1: mushrush to the sun. As far as I'm concerned, Yeah, 969 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't work, okay, because it's too hard in the 970 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,319 Speaker 1: National Football League to bull rush NFL offensive lineman into 971 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 1: the quarterback on every drop back. It's just to spite 972 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 1: the Jets. It's just it's just well it's just too hard, right, 973 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,880 Speaker 1: Like you're not going to do it consistently enough to 974 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,279 Speaker 1: really have a huge impact on the game. And there's 975 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 1: too many instances, there's too many dropbacks where the quarterback 976 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,120 Speaker 1: just has all day to throw right because the mush rush, 977 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 1: the star Wars, trash canpackt or like. It just doesn't work. 978 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 1: So what I think is the way that they should 979 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,719 Speaker 1: go is what they did on Sunday, which is jude On, 980 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 1: don't worry about containing the quarterback, right like, just go, 981 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 1: just go after him and get in Zach Wilson's face 982 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,759 Speaker 1: and get seven hurries like you did, Dietrich Wise, get 983 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: your eight hurries like you did, and we're gonna take ooja. 984 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna take some of our athletic guys like oocha. 985 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,440 Speaker 1: Maybe it's mac Wilson a couple of times was the 986 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 1: spy in Man coverage as well, so maybe he factors 987 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,959 Speaker 1: into this as well. And those two guys are gonna 988 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 1: basically be de factos spies, and we're gonna let our 989 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 1: pass archers get after the quarterback. So now we have 990 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: pressure and we have containment. I think that that's the 991 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,239 Speaker 1: way that they have to go moving forward, and it's 992 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 1: gonna pay hopefully that that's they saw it on Sunday. 993 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: They're like, this is the formula now right right, Like 994 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,840 Speaker 1: let's fire that trash compactor into the sun. All right. 995 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 1: Todd in North Carolina, thanks for hanging on, Todd. How 996 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:58,799 Speaker 1: you doing, Toddy? There? Dodd going once, going twice. I'll 997 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 1: put him on hold. If he comes back, you can 998 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: get them back here, Patty and a go on, Patty, 999 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,759 Speaker 1: thanks for hanging on. How you doing a problem, what's up? Guys. Hey, 1000 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,440 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna give these guys three what if scenarios 1001 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,080 Speaker 1: and what do you think? What do you think the 1002 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,839 Speaker 1: direction Bill's going to go in this off season. I'm 1003 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,960 Speaker 1: not saying the season is over. I'm just I'd like 1004 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,160 Speaker 1: to pick your guys brain. So, scenario one, they stick 1005 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,879 Speaker 1: with Mac Jones and it's status quote. Scenario number two 1006 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,200 Speaker 1: they actually go out and mortgage some of their future 1007 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,080 Speaker 1: picks and get that guy. And whoever that guy is, 1008 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,719 Speaker 1: I don't know who the hell it is, because if 1009 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,719 Speaker 1: you look at the twenty three and twenty four free 1010 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: agent classic wide receivers, it's crap. Or scenario number four, 1011 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Scenario number three they're they're pretty much humping 1012 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,520 Speaker 1: for a new quarterback at the end of the season. Okay, 1013 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,280 Speaker 1: I like this game, so we'll play along here, Patty, 1014 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,160 Speaker 1: all right. So Scenario number one is they stick with 1015 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,200 Speaker 1: Mac Jones. Scenario number two is they actually trade for 1016 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,440 Speaker 1: our choir wide receiver that we were talking about at 1017 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,719 Speaker 1: the top of the show, Tyree Hill at A J. 1018 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,799 Speaker 1: Brown Stefan Diggs. Scenario number three is restart, right, we're 1019 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,440 Speaker 1: hitting the restart, butting that quarterback. I think that they're 1020 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,000 Speaker 1: sticking with Mac for one more year. I think for 1021 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,200 Speaker 1: two reasons. One, he's shown enough to me that he 1022 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 1: can be a competent NFL quarterback and that's enough for now. 1023 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:25,040 Speaker 1: I think Number two, he's affordable. Right, So unless Bill 1024 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,200 Speaker 1: Belichick and this is sort of a topic for a 1025 00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,800 Speaker 1: different day because it's a long topic. This Bill Belichick 1026 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,080 Speaker 1: looks at it and it's like, I have one more 1027 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,400 Speaker 1: year left, and I need to win this year, and 1028 00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 1: I'm going all in on this year, and we're pushing 1029 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,879 Speaker 1: all the chips in this year. Like maybe I could 1030 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 1: see them not drafting a rookie because that wouldn't work, right, Like, 1031 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,120 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think Bryce Younger CJ. Strout as 1032 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,719 Speaker 1: his talent does. What do you mean you're talking about 1033 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,200 Speaker 1: going to get a veteran quarterback. I'm not ready for 1034 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:56,080 Speaker 1: that yet. All right, maybe maybe soon I could see that. 1035 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,640 Speaker 1: I could see them pushing the chips all in for that. 1036 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,400 Speaker 1: The free agency market. I've heard this yesterday because I 1037 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: was saying, you know, tear three is the year that 1038 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,719 Speaker 1: you go all in and they're gonna have some cap space, 1039 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: and people are like, well, the free agency market stinks. 1040 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 1: I don't care. I actually don't think the free agency 1041 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,160 Speaker 1: market matters. What I'm looking at is the trade market. Right, 1042 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,799 Speaker 1: what wide receiver you mentioned justin Jefferson, Maybe he gets 1043 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,840 Speaker 1: disgruntled in minnesot even though there's six and one. I 1044 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,279 Speaker 1: don't know if you will um what wid I mean? 1045 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,239 Speaker 1: What was Tennessee last year and they trade? I think 1046 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:32,320 Speaker 1: it's beyond that. What wide receiver comes available because of 1047 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,520 Speaker 1: contract because he's disgruntled like whatever the case may be. 1048 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,160 Speaker 1: It happens every offseason. Like Davante Adams, you have to 1049 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,600 Speaker 1: take him off the board because he just wanted to 1050 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,000 Speaker 1: go to Vegas. Well here do you want it? So 1051 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,560 Speaker 1: last year was the twenty nineteen right receiver class. So 1052 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,839 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, um, first guy's not in the league anymore? Uh, 1053 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,640 Speaker 1: Jerry Judy yep Alabama connection Mac Jones. I don't think 1054 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,840 Speaker 1: he played with Mac in a game though not in 1055 00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 1: a game, but they were there together in practice. Were 1056 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,600 Speaker 1: there and you talk to guys who were there when 1057 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,040 Speaker 1: Mac was the practice squad quarterback and they're very impressed. 1058 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,640 Speaker 1: So Denver might be in a spot to sell that 1059 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,960 Speaker 1: teams And look, if I'm him Russell, everything that's going 1060 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,680 Speaker 1: on with Russell Wilson. Does he necessarily want to be there? Right? 1061 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,000 Speaker 1: Love Jerry, you know I'm a big Jerry Judy, Jerry Rice, 1062 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,719 Speaker 1: Judy Seedy Lamb Dall's gonna pay him. They probably are 1063 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,239 Speaker 1: your don't trade to Mary Cooper and then also get 1064 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:30,640 Speaker 1: rid of CD. That's fair, Jalen Rieger never mind Justin Jefferson, 1065 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:37,160 Speaker 1: Brandon Ayuk Is he like the player? But is he 1066 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,320 Speaker 1: just Nelson Agil or Kendrick Born Jacobe Myers? Like is 1067 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,160 Speaker 1: he better than those guys? Fair? I think Judy is is. 1068 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,360 Speaker 1: I don't think Judy is in that elite category, but 1069 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,160 Speaker 1: I think he is better than what you have. I 1070 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,279 Speaker 1: think he can get there. He really he's never had 1071 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,640 Speaker 1: a quarterback. Yeah, he's never had a quarterbacks. He runs 1072 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,640 Speaker 1: great routes, that's for sure. He didn't you say he 1073 00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,640 Speaker 1: was the best route runner you'd seen to that point 1074 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:04,960 Speaker 1: to that, Yeah, except just okay um te Higgins same thing. 1075 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,160 Speaker 1: He's kind of like that. He's like younger. Yeah. Uh 1076 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,279 Speaker 1: so here's a guy I really like. Michael Pittman. Yeah, 1077 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,600 Speaker 1: I know he's he scares me because of his profile, 1078 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,920 Speaker 1: Like he's like six to four with like an average 1079 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,840 Speaker 1: forty you know what I mean, Like he's Yeah, I 1080 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,960 Speaker 1: don't want to say he's gonna keel because he's better obviously, 1081 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,400 Speaker 1: but it's the same, similar profile, all right, So then 1082 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna be out on Laviska. Yeah, No, kJ Hamdler, 1083 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:35,879 Speaker 1: Chase Claypool just got traded Van Jefferson, Denzel Mims, Brian Edwards. 1084 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,240 Speaker 1: Oh here, yeah he's getting paid. Maybe not actually, Devin Duverney, 1085 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,640 Speaker 1: fun player, but he's got He's somebody that you need 1086 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,000 Speaker 1: to know how to use him. Yeah, they So who's 1087 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,200 Speaker 1: the fortnight enough for those guys? Gabe Davis is gonna 1088 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,279 Speaker 1: get paid? Yeah. So the names that you said there 1089 00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,040 Speaker 1: and I think are realistic. The only one it really 1090 00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,959 Speaker 1: is Judy. Oh I love it, which I have no problem. 1091 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,920 Speaker 1: Oh there is Okay, he's not number one, but there 1092 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,880 Speaker 1: is one I kept scroll. There's one more kind of 1093 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,239 Speaker 1: interesting name Downny. He's probably more like a DeVante Parker type, 1094 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:12,280 Speaker 1: but Dunovan People's Jones, okay, not not not moving the needle. No, Okay, 1095 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 1: So Judy, I think would would be really really that's 1096 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,600 Speaker 1: really possible, right, Like that one makes a lot of sense, 1097 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,839 Speaker 1: and honestly I would take him over. I mean, Jefferson's 1098 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,040 Speaker 1: not going. He'd probably be third on the list I'd 1099 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,800 Speaker 1: probably got Can we confirm that I could have sworn 1100 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,759 Speaker 1: that that they were at least in advanced talks with him. Uh? 1101 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,120 Speaker 1: Does not look like No, he has not gotten the 1102 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,759 Speaker 1: new deal yet. Okay, so doesn't mean he's not gonna 1103 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,200 Speaker 1: get one. But hie in the sky, we're dreaming. We're 1104 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,279 Speaker 1: we're dreaming on a Wednesday afternoon. Obviously, Justin Jefferson I 1105 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,520 Speaker 1: would give up the farm. Love love him, love him 1106 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,080 Speaker 1: coming out, loved him now, love him like. There is 1107 00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,040 Speaker 1: not a lot of receivers in the league that I 1108 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,160 Speaker 1: think fit better for what they need than Justin Jefferson. Okay, 1109 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,920 Speaker 1: probably one of the best rout runners in the league. Inside, outside, guy, 1110 00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,800 Speaker 1: move them around, play him anywhere you want, great anywhere, 1111 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,320 Speaker 1: like all three levels, explosive with the ball in his 1112 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:18,000 Speaker 1: hands like dynamite player doesn't. Doesn't Jerry Judy fit the 1113 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,280 Speaker 1: same profile? Yeah? I think so. I think Jessin Jefferson's 1114 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:22,759 Speaker 1: just better. They're not gonna yeah, but they're not going 1115 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,839 Speaker 1: to get him. So Jerry Judy is an interesting one 1116 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,200 Speaker 1: because you know, you know why you're not going to 1117 00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,759 Speaker 1: get him because the Vikings are going to have a 1118 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,160 Speaker 1: quarterback on a rookie deal very soon. Yeah, the Vikings. 1119 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,160 Speaker 1: I mean, why would would you get rid of him? 1120 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,160 Speaker 1: I just can't see it. All right, all right, spee, 1121 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:42,880 Speaker 1: all right, Spie, let's do it again. What do you got? Yeah? Man, 1122 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,520 Speaker 1: that was fun. I enjoyed it, and I absolutely do 1123 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,600 Speaker 1: disagree with you guys hugely. But first on the quarterback subject. 1124 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,239 Speaker 1: But first, the point where we agree is, I do 1125 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,000 Speaker 1: think way too small a sample size on Mask so far. 1126 00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:58,719 Speaker 1: You gotta let him go. I think you gotta make 1127 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,759 Speaker 1: up for the injury time. I want to the first 1128 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,760 Speaker 1: couple of games through the third season, maybe then render 1129 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,279 Speaker 1: a final judgment. But I mean everything else though, this 1130 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,880 Speaker 1: wholes met zero quarterback Stafford, Brady Mahomes, Mannaing, Russell Wilson. 1131 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,239 Speaker 1: They're not net zero quarterbacks, um, like these are the 1132 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:21,120 Speaker 1: winners are not met zero's um. I also think, yeah, Evan, 1133 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,680 Speaker 1: you kind of mischaracterize what you were saying. You didn't 1134 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,680 Speaker 1: say that Mac was gonna just played better with better weapons, 1135 00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,919 Speaker 1: you said you Your point was basically that he played 1136 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,440 Speaker 1: as well as tah with those costs out there. And 1137 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,280 Speaker 1: I think that on strength matters. I think that Aaron 1138 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,040 Speaker 1: Rodgers apathy is part of the overall mosaic of the player. 1139 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,160 Speaker 1: I think the quarterback position matters a lot, and I 1140 00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,520 Speaker 1: just don't understand, like empirically speaking for you guys empirically speak, 1141 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:49,120 Speaker 1: because you guys like your data nerds, Um, what at 1142 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,240 Speaker 1: what point do you think the quarterback position actually matters 1143 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,879 Speaker 1: to the output of a game? I no, I think 1144 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,360 Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing with you is that we 1145 00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,160 Speaker 1: we're not understanding each other. Okay, so let me let 1146 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,080 Speaker 1: me try to like lay it out as best as 1147 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:10,439 Speaker 1: I can. Obviously, the quarterback position matters are My only 1148 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:14,800 Speaker 1: point is is that I think the situation around the 1149 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:21,560 Speaker 1: quarterback is pretty close to equaling mattering than the quarterback itself, 1150 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,600 Speaker 1: because it just there's so much proof, Okay, And like 1151 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,480 Speaker 1: we can take the proof from here, and we can 1152 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,080 Speaker 1: look at twenty nineteen and then look at what Brady 1153 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,920 Speaker 1: produced in twenty nineteen with the Patriots offense in this 1154 00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,920 Speaker 1: shape that it was in. And then he goes to 1155 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,200 Speaker 1: Tampa in twenty twenty and he's got Mike Evans, and 1156 00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,560 Speaker 1: he's got Chris Godwin, he's got Rob Gronkowski. Back and 1157 00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,120 Speaker 1: they win the Super Bowl. Okay, you can go with 1158 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,680 Speaker 1: the examples that I gave to you earlier, all right, 1159 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:52,120 Speaker 1: Like all the teams around, like Miami, like Aaron Rodgers 1160 00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:57,160 Speaker 1: in Green Bay, like Jalen Hurtz in Philadelphia, he gets 1161 00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,400 Speaker 1: a better coach on that side of the ball, he 1162 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,120 Speaker 1: gets a brown. Now he's a top five MVK candidate. 1163 00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,560 Speaker 1: I think that the point that we're both trying to 1164 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:07,880 Speaker 1: make it. What I'm trying to because I want to 1165 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:13,080 Speaker 1: speak for Alex, is that quarterbacks, very few quarterbacks, are 1166 00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:18,280 Speaker 1: independent of their situation. Yeah, I think I completely agree 1167 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,080 Speaker 1: with you in that regard. Like, but the way you 1168 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,520 Speaker 1: just said it is so much softer than the way 1169 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,040 Speaker 1: you have been staying at the rest of the day. 1170 00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 1: In my opinion, maybe I'm just not thinking about some 1171 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,520 Speaker 1: of the nuances. I mean, yes, the disposition of the 1172 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,040 Speaker 1: quarterback matters, the situation that he's playing in, it all matters. 1173 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,560 Speaker 1: It just seems like you see it sounds like you're 1174 00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,120 Speaker 1: a kind of borderline and a mack apologist at times 1175 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,200 Speaker 1: where I understand maybe you're trying to say, hey, pumped 1176 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,680 Speaker 1: a brake, Let's just see what he how it all 1177 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,560 Speaker 1: plays out with him. And at the same time, I 1178 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,640 Speaker 1: kind of want to call a spade a space. The 1179 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,640 Speaker 1: guy doesn't have the downfield arm strength of a tooist, 1180 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,600 Speaker 1: so if you put him in with those players, it's 1181 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 1: not going to look as good. And and that's it's 1182 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,840 Speaker 1: a non falsifiable claim. We can We're never going to 1183 00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,120 Speaker 1: go to that alternative unitors to actually test it. But 1184 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,120 Speaker 1: it all so it's not like a claim that sounds 1185 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,600 Speaker 1: off the wall or from that, you know. So first off, 1186 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,200 Speaker 1: I'd say, I look, Mac doesn't have Patrick Mahomes arm. 1187 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:10,960 Speaker 1: I think people sleep on his arm. I think people 1188 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,760 Speaker 1: who didn't watch him at Alabama sleep on his arm. 1189 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,240 Speaker 1: He was throwing the ball down the field. As for 1190 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,680 Speaker 1: to his arm strength, two has always had that he 1191 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,560 Speaker 1: had that going back to college. Was the hip injury 1192 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,200 Speaker 1: that kind of derailed it for a couple of years. 1193 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,600 Speaker 1: I think people missed that element of it. As for 1194 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,240 Speaker 1: the you know, the relevance of the quarterback position, I 1195 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,120 Speaker 1: think the point that a lot of people miss is 1196 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,640 Speaker 1: if you take a quarterback and you put him in 1197 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,720 Speaker 1: a bad situation, he's going to make the team look better. 1198 00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,840 Speaker 1: That might be true to some extent, but the reality 1199 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,000 Speaker 1: is it's easier to build I think the point at 1200 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,920 Speaker 1: least this is how I mean it, and it's it's 1201 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,520 Speaker 1: from a team building point of view, right, It's easier 1202 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,640 Speaker 1: to build up a good situation and then find a 1203 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,720 Speaker 1: quarterback to put in it, then to find an elite 1204 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,160 Speaker 1: quarterback that's going to pick up the rest of your situation. 1205 00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,800 Speaker 1: That's a really interesting debate because I mean, like to 1206 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,600 Speaker 1: support your point is like the Matt Stafford thing, because 1207 00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,920 Speaker 1: I think rightly, but Jared Goff was at your quarterback. Oh, 1208 00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,640 Speaker 1: I see, I don't think somebody below the net neutral line. 1209 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,360 Speaker 1: I have him as below the net neutral line to 1210 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,280 Speaker 1: be fair, all right, all right, then then what do 1211 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,120 Speaker 1: you do you think Matt Stafford isn't net neutral to you? Then? Um, 1212 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,680 Speaker 1: I think ed last year he was, last year he was. 1213 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,680 Speaker 1: There were points in his career he was better I 1214 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,160 Speaker 1: think maybe slightly above net neutral. Um, but yeah, he 1215 00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,440 Speaker 1: wasn't a game breaker, you know, he wasn't on that 1216 00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,880 Speaker 1: upper tier that like you know, this is a guy 1217 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,360 Speaker 1: that's that's that's interesting because I I don't see him 1218 00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,760 Speaker 1: that way. But let's just accept your operational definition and 1219 00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,440 Speaker 1: that neutral if that if that's Matt neutral. I don't 1220 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,120 Speaker 1: think mac Jones is net neutral, even with the limited 1221 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,320 Speaker 1: sample size, Souff, I think Matt Stafford's a better quarterback. 1222 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,600 Speaker 1: I think mac Jones was net neutral last year. I 1223 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,160 Speaker 1: don't think he's been this year. But I think he 1224 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,360 Speaker 1: can be because I saw him last year. But that's 1225 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,280 Speaker 1: to your point, to your sport, that's kind of a 1226 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,520 Speaker 1: function of the system than this changed in the offense 1227 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,120 Speaker 1: that tried, as Evans said, that tried to go in 1228 00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,840 Speaker 1: more of the Alabama downsfield direction, and you know it 1229 00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,560 Speaker 1: was kind of math. Be careful what you're wished for. 1230 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,400 Speaker 1: I agree with you guys like a lot because in 1231 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,720 Speaker 1: terms of looking at the situation. And I also completely 1232 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,960 Speaker 1: agree with the way that Evan I think revised his 1233 01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,800 Speaker 1: position earlier on the call just now when he said, 1234 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,840 Speaker 1: you kind of want to take a balance view. I 1235 01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,400 Speaker 1: don't want to be imbalanced. I want to I want 1236 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:17,760 Speaker 1: to take all this new account, but I don't want 1237 01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,280 Speaker 1: to like point through the situation so much that I 1238 01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,000 Speaker 1: you know, I don't subject back to the appropriate criticisms 1239 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,040 Speaker 1: when he's criticizeable, I just don't. He is. He is 1240 01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:29,720 Speaker 1: at fault for some of this. But what I would say, 1241 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,080 Speaker 1: is is there is their offensives shift in philosophy not 1242 01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,640 Speaker 1: working solely because of mac Jones. I would say no, 1243 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,320 Speaker 1: mac Jones struggles this year. I don't know that I 1244 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,440 Speaker 1: put mac Jones in the top three reasons mac Jones 1245 01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,400 Speaker 1: has struggled this year. That's an interesting one topic. Okay, 1246 01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,360 Speaker 1: I'll take it off, and I want to be one second. 1247 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:47,960 Speaker 1: I want to ask you. I want to ask you 1248 01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,360 Speaker 1: a question really quickly. All right. So I'm a nerd. 1249 01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,640 Speaker 1: You mentioned it right, I'm a math nerd. I like 1250 01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,280 Speaker 1: the numbers, So I'm gonna I'm gonna use EPA per play. 1251 01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,560 Speaker 1: You can use whatever metric you want, passer rating, whatever, 1252 01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,520 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna use EPA per play. Where do you 1253 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,080 Speaker 1: think too rated? An EPA per play last year in 1254 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one? You just can you tell me what 1255 01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,040 Speaker 1: I know statistics? But I don't know. I don't know 1256 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,880 Speaker 1: NFL statistics. EPA is expected points added, all right. So 1257 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:17,080 Speaker 1: this is a newer metric that puts into context, situation 1258 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:18,760 Speaker 1: and things like that. I'm actually gonna write an article 1259 01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,200 Speaker 1: on all this because I use so many of these 1260 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,960 Speaker 1: nerd terms, Alex that we're gonna post an article that 1261 01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,680 Speaker 1: explains for posting the article. You could be less reliant 1262 01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,160 Speaker 1: on them or whatever. No. Never, okay, So the question 1263 01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,280 Speaker 1: again then with two of yeah, where do you think 1264 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:35,240 Speaker 1: TWA ranked among the thirty two? Like primary starters and EPA, 1265 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,880 Speaker 1: which is this efficiency like passer rating and QBR it's 1266 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,960 Speaker 1: the same thing. Well, I think that you just mentioned 1267 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,760 Speaker 1: on the like on the show before. So I'm kind 1268 01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,600 Speaker 1: of cheating that he's like at the cream of the cross, 1269 01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,320 Speaker 1: at the top of the league. Right, So this year 1270 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,040 Speaker 1: here he's number one in the league. Okay, So last 1271 01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,120 Speaker 1: year he was twenty first in the league, twenty one 1272 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,560 Speaker 1: out of thirty two. Now he's one out of thirty two. 1273 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,080 Speaker 1: So and so I'm with you on this. Yeah, so yeah, 1274 01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,640 Speaker 1: that's all my point is. Okay, So I want I'm 1275 01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,200 Speaker 1: glad you brought that one up to think about it 1276 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,720 Speaker 1: like a mediation model X causes why through M right, 1277 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,560 Speaker 1: So you your your your predictor variable is who the 1278 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,480 Speaker 1: quarterback is it's mac orth Ta and the outcome is, 1279 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,960 Speaker 1: uh you know, maybe i'd say a less efficient offense. 1280 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,600 Speaker 1: That's my prediction. What's the mediator? It's because Max's arm 1281 01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,520 Speaker 1: is weak. It's because it's Okay, I don't want to 1282 01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,920 Speaker 1: get into it, but Macinto are managed to run the 1283 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:27,320 Speaker 1: same offensive Alabama including I'm also not like totally understanding 1284 01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,440 Speaker 1: like where the notion that to has this like cannon 1285 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,440 Speaker 1: is coming from. But that but I guess that's getting 1286 01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,760 Speaker 1: into a whole other rabbit hole. But I also I 1287 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,840 Speaker 1: appreciate your point. You're saying that, look, look at this 1288 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,320 Speaker 1: quote unquote overnight change that has happened. What's the only difference. 1289 01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,360 Speaker 1: The only difference is the way that they built up 1290 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,640 Speaker 1: the weapons around them. Makes perfect sense to take that 1291 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,720 Speaker 1: new account. And at the same time, I don't adhere 1292 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,360 Speaker 1: to the idea that if you put mac and that 1293 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,080 Speaker 1: exact same situation, you have the exact same results. And 1294 01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,200 Speaker 1: again it's not falsifiable. We can't go to the peril 1295 01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:58,640 Speaker 1: universe to know it. It's a matter of kind of 1296 01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:00,840 Speaker 1: of opinion, right, and maybe the best thing to do 1297 01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:02,520 Speaker 1: is just to wait it out and see how mac 1298 01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,480 Speaker 1: actually plays in this system and make it. I don't know, 1299 01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,600 Speaker 1: it's messing well, I appreciate its bea I'm glad we 1300 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,760 Speaker 1: went back and forth there for on bull shows. But yeah, 1301 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,800 Speaker 1: that that's that's my bottom line. It's not to make 1302 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,440 Speaker 1: excuses for Mac. It's just to say that two didn't 1303 01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,600 Speaker 1: go from twenty first inefficiency in the league to first 1304 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,760 Speaker 1: in one offseason on his own right. He didn't get 1305 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,240 Speaker 1: there on his own right. So maybe Mac Jones, who 1306 01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,320 Speaker 1: currently this year is twenty fifth in EPA, maybe they 1307 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,120 Speaker 1: get him better weapons and maybe Patricia figures it out, 1308 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,800 Speaker 1: or maybe they get a new coordinator and Bill O'Brien's 1309 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,720 Speaker 1: the coordinator next year, and maybe he doesn't go from 1310 01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,080 Speaker 1: twenty fifth to first, right, maybe he goes from twenty 1311 01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,240 Speaker 1: fifth to tenth, right, right, what was Mac last year? 1312 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:50,760 Speaker 1: Mac last year was fifteenth right in the middle net neutral, 1313 01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,240 Speaker 1: So maybe he goes from twenty first from twenty fifth 1314 01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,480 Speaker 1: back to fifteenth, Like I don't know, Like I don't know. 1315 01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,160 Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't go all the way up to number one. 1316 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:03,240 Speaker 1: Maybe two ways than him. The point being is is 1317 01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:07,840 Speaker 1: that one quarterback lost his offensive coordinator, didn't really upgrade 1318 01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,440 Speaker 1: many of his weapons and has regressed. The other quarterback 1319 01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,840 Speaker 1: got Tyreek flipping Hill and a better coordinator and Mike 1320 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,280 Speaker 1: McDaniel and is now the best pastor in the league. 1321 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,360 Speaker 1: Right tackle actually right tackle, yeah, the blindside protector yeah, 1322 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,080 Speaker 1: And is the best quarterback in the league. And to me, 1323 01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:32,240 Speaker 1: we can get into like like get into it about 1324 01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,760 Speaker 1: whether Mac is better than Tuah or physically who has 1325 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,000 Speaker 1: the stronger arm or whatever. But I don't think Tuah 1326 01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:42,200 Speaker 1: is world's better than Mac in terms of physical tools. 1327 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,400 Speaker 1: Like I don't look at Tuah and see Josh Allen. 1328 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,320 Speaker 1: I don't look at Tuah and see Mahomes or Herbert 1329 01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,480 Speaker 1: or one of these specimens. Right, Like, he's six feet tall. 1330 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,120 Speaker 1: He's had the hip issues, so I think that's led 1331 01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,320 Speaker 1: to some of the decline in arm strains certainly, But 1332 01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,480 Speaker 1: I don't look at Tuah and say, oh man, this 1333 01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,520 Speaker 1: guy is a physical marvel. Same way I don't look 1334 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,960 Speaker 1: at Mac Jones and don't think he's a physical marvel. Right, 1335 01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,640 Speaker 1: So I think they're in the same ballpark. Let me 1336 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,400 Speaker 1: put you that way in terms of physical ability. And 1337 01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,080 Speaker 1: my guess is is that if you gave Mac Jones 1338 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,160 Speaker 1: the Miami offense, he might not be number one like 1339 01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,680 Speaker 1: two is. We can we can split hairs and say 1340 01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,160 Speaker 1: that he's not going to be number one like two 1341 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,560 Speaker 1: it is, but I guarantee you he'd be in the 1342 01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:26,560 Speaker 1: top ten. Yeah, guarantee it. So this is on the Patriots. 1343 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,680 Speaker 1: That's my point. We can sit here and argue and say, 1344 01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,840 Speaker 1: maybe Max's not the guy. You know, he didn't play 1345 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,880 Speaker 1: well on Sunday, he didn't play well this season. All valid, 1346 01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,600 Speaker 1: all valid points if that's what your opinion is. But 1347 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,920 Speaker 1: in my opinion, moving forward and looking at this from 1348 01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,280 Speaker 1: a thirty thousand feet angle, this is on the Patriots 1349 01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,400 Speaker 1: moving forward to fix the situation that Mac is in. 1350 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:55,880 Speaker 1: Fix your offensive line. Either get Patricia to you know, 1351 01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,400 Speaker 1: hopefully he develops as a coordinator in a play caller 1352 01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:03,680 Speaker 1: and you get there with Patricia, or have the foresight 1353 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,280 Speaker 1: to realize that Patricia is not an NFL offensive coordinator 1354 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:11,320 Speaker 1: and go get an NFL offensive coordinator and bring him 1355 01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:17,640 Speaker 1: in next year to fix this situation and ideally get 1356 01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:23,040 Speaker 1: him somebody that is a true number one weapon. And 1357 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,120 Speaker 1: let's see what it looks like. Because right now, last 1358 01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,120 Speaker 1: year rookie season, you said he's net neutral. I agree 1359 01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,800 Speaker 1: with you. He's fifteenth and epa right smack dab in 1360 01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,320 Speaker 1: the middle, net neutral quarterback and a good system with 1361 01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,080 Speaker 1: kid gloves on. Because he's a rookie. This year, they've 1362 01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,919 Speaker 1: taken some of the training wheels off it hasn't looked 1363 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,280 Speaker 1: as good. The situation around him hasn't been as good. 1364 01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,680 Speaker 1: The offensive line, the play calling, YadA YadA, YadA. Next year, 1365 01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,240 Speaker 1: it's making a break it for everybody. It's not just 1366 01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,720 Speaker 1: for Mac. It's making a break it for everybody. They 1367 01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,000 Speaker 1: have to be aggressive in the off season with upgrading 1368 01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,240 Speaker 1: their skill position. They need one guy. They don't need 1369 01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,520 Speaker 1: they have all the twos and threes, they need one, right, 1370 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:02,720 Speaker 1: They need to be aggressive in the off season in 1371 01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,520 Speaker 1: my opinion. And fixing the line, we're going to talk 1372 01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,440 Speaker 1: about it. You always mentioned that we'll talk about it 1373 01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,320 Speaker 1: in the off season. We're gonna be talking about tackles 1374 01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,240 Speaker 1: like they're going out of style because they need to 1375 01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:17,160 Speaker 1: fix the offensive line. Bottom line. Yeah. Then I would 1376 01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:21,280 Speaker 1: also say they need to figure out coordinator. I don't 1377 01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,280 Speaker 1: know what they do there, Like it's such a tricky 1378 01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,640 Speaker 1: situation because of Bill's relationship with Matt Patricia. I don't 1379 01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,920 Speaker 1: know what goes on there. But they need to figure 1380 01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,560 Speaker 1: that situation out too. So if that's bringing Bill O'Brien back, 1381 01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,960 Speaker 1: if that's bringing an experience an offensive to put him 1382 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,760 Speaker 1: on the staff, maybe I would not count on Bill 1383 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,760 Speaker 1: O'Brien he is. That's fine, going to be one of 1384 01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,120 Speaker 1: the top. There's a bunch of blue blood head coach 1385 01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,960 Speaker 1: openings in college football right now. He is going to 1386 01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:54,520 Speaker 1: get a head coaching job, whether it's Wisconsin, whether it's Nebraska, 1387 01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,600 Speaker 1: whether it's Auburn, Arizona State. I think Boston College would 1388 01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,720 Speaker 1: be a really interesting one form. Obviously that's a step 1389 01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,840 Speaker 1: down from some of those other schools, but there's not 1390 01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,720 Speaker 1: unless he really, really really wants to work with Mac 1391 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,200 Speaker 1: Jones again specifically. Yeah, there's not a ton of reason 1392 01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:10,520 Speaker 1: for him to come back here. He's going to get 1393 01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,560 Speaker 1: a head coaching job at the college level. We talk 1394 01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:17,160 Speaker 1: about the playbook of how to help a rookie or 1395 01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,320 Speaker 1: a young quarterback, or how to ruin a young quarterback. 1396 01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:21,679 Speaker 1: And if you want to call me a mac apologist, 1397 01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,439 Speaker 1: that's why I'll be a mac apologist. I don't care. Okay, 1398 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,080 Speaker 1: how do you ruin a young quarterback? What's the playbook? 1399 01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:30,320 Speaker 1: Change his coordinator in a second season? To have a 1400 01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:32,200 Speaker 1: guy that's quite frankly, a little bit in and over 1401 01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,679 Speaker 1: his head with running the offense, don't get him weapons, 1402 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,280 Speaker 1: don't protect them. What have the Patriots done to Mac 1403 01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:42,760 Speaker 1: Jones this year, all of that, all of it, and 1404 01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,519 Speaker 1: then and then people are throwing their hands up and 1405 01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:50,120 Speaker 1: they're wondering, why the heck does it look worse? Max regressing? 1406 01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,880 Speaker 1: Max stinks? Max not the answer? Who could have seen it? 1407 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:59,519 Speaker 1: What are you doing? Yeah? All right, I'm glad I've 1408 01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,120 Speaker 1: got this all off. Are we doing anything on the Colts? Yes, 1409 01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap on the Colts right now. We got 1410 01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,479 Speaker 1: some time, all right, they're not kicking this off, I 1411 01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:10,240 Speaker 1: don't think morrel, No, no, we can. We can keep 1412 01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:15,040 Speaker 1: going for a few more minutes on the Colts. All right, 1413 01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:19,920 Speaker 1: all right, quickly? Yep? How do the Patriots lose this game? 1414 01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,760 Speaker 1: They so? I think the biggest well, first off, the 1415 01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,519 Speaker 1: biggest issue last year with special teams. They have to 1416 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,400 Speaker 1: play better on special teams first and foremost. I'm not 1417 01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,280 Speaker 1: even gonna get into it. It's just everywhere. They have 1418 01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,680 Speaker 1: to be better on special teams everywhere. The thing that 1419 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,920 Speaker 1: killed me last year the Colts, whether it's Jonathan Taylor, 1420 01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,040 Speaker 1: now you add Sam Ellinger to the mix. These are 1421 01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,040 Speaker 1: guys that when you let them get to the second 1422 01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:46,040 Speaker 1: level untouched, they're big, powerful runners. They will take on 1423 01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,719 Speaker 1: linebackers one on one and they will win that matchup 1424 01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,320 Speaker 1: enough that it's a threat. They have to win on 1425 01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,600 Speaker 1: the defensive line at the point of attack in the 1426 01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,360 Speaker 1: running game. That doesn't mean that, you know, they can't 1427 01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,240 Speaker 1: allow Jonathan Taylor to break past that level, but they 1428 01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,280 Speaker 1: can't let him get into the second level clean. Somebody's 1429 01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,160 Speaker 1: got to get a hand on him, a shoulder on 1430 01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:09,439 Speaker 1: him something. You cannot allow him clean holes and ellenor 1431 01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,040 Speaker 1: too when he's carrying the ball. You can in Philip 1432 01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:13,680 Speaker 1: lindsay if they bring him up to fill in for 1433 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,679 Speaker 1: nine E Hinds, he's on the practice squad. You cannot 1434 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,559 Speaker 1: allow these guys to break free clean through the line 1435 01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,600 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. If you can tackle them, they're great, but 1436 01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,040 Speaker 1: you least need to impede their progress so when they 1437 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,400 Speaker 1: do get to the second level. For Juwan Bentley and 1438 01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:31,040 Speaker 1: whoever it is, Adrian Phillips, it's just a cleanup job, Okay, 1439 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:35,040 Speaker 1: agreed very quickly DeForest Buckner, Grover Stewart to the best. 1440 01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,679 Speaker 1: That's probably one of the best D line built today, 1441 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,720 Speaker 1: said DeForest Buckner. Is you know he had him with 1442 01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,880 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, Chris Jones, and who is the third one? 1443 01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,639 Speaker 1: I don't know Aaron Donald. Chris Jones is gonna bug. 1444 01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:50,280 Speaker 1: Men can't let him take over the game. Like it's 1445 01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,640 Speaker 1: gonna be bad, Like it's not gonna be pretty. They 1446 01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,120 Speaker 1: can't block anybody right now. It's gonna be a little bit. 1447 01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,960 Speaker 1: It's gonna be clunky with that line and what the 1448 01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,120 Speaker 1: Colts pass can't bring. The second thing that you mentioned 1449 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,160 Speaker 1: about the running game, I think is Cameron Hayward. I'll 1450 01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,439 Speaker 1: say on that real quick. They can he quickly. They 1451 01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:11,439 Speaker 1: can help themselves in that vein more more RPO, more 1452 01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:15,080 Speaker 1: play action things like that. You can you can obviously 1453 01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:18,639 Speaker 1: blocking the defensive lines, this is not you can throw 1454 01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,360 Speaker 1: off their timing with things like play action RPOs. Those 1455 01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:22,600 Speaker 1: needs to be a part of the game plan this 1456 01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,680 Speaker 1: week for the Patriots offense really quickly. Alex who ran 1457 01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:29,920 Speaker 1: a faster forty Mac Jones or Sam Ellinger? I think 1458 01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,160 Speaker 1: back right, Mac by a tenth of a second. Oh 1459 01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,360 Speaker 1: I thought Sam's was bad. I thought, oh no, I'm 1460 01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,439 Speaker 1: thinking of Dustin crum So Sam Ellinger to me, being 1461 01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,080 Speaker 1: a running quarterback is kind of funny. Well, he's a 1462 01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,960 Speaker 1: power back. He's not a he's a power back. A 1463 01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,920 Speaker 1: lot of designs he can't throw a lot of these 1464 01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,120 Speaker 1: a lot of these read option designs that they have 1465 01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:51,640 Speaker 1: are actually designed for Jonathan Taylor. Right. Jonathan Taylor is 1466 01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:55,120 Speaker 1: the feature. Right, So in my mind last week he 1467 01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,040 Speaker 1: ran for fifteen yards on six carries. Sam Ellinger, I 1468 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,120 Speaker 1: mean two of those are scrambles. But yeah, all you 1469 01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:04,160 Speaker 1: gotta do is give him that keep read when he 1470 01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,599 Speaker 1: runs readoption. If sam Ellinger beats them, he's not justin 1471 01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,719 Speaker 1: Fields and Lamar Jackson. If sam Ellinger beats them running 1472 01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,000 Speaker 1: the football. But here's the one thing I'll say him, 1473 01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:18,479 Speaker 1: here's the one thing I'll say Tackling has been an issue. 1474 01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,439 Speaker 1: He is a hard guy to tackle in the open field. 1475 01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,880 Speaker 1: He's a big he's not running away from anybody. He's 1476 01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,400 Speaker 1: not running away from anybody. But you have to tackle him. 1477 01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,760 Speaker 1: You have tackle him. You can't push him. Tackle him, 1478 01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,000 Speaker 1: push him and just make him to go down because 1479 01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:33,720 Speaker 1: everything rap him want to do is they want to 1480 01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,360 Speaker 1: get Jonathan Taylor downhill. Right. He is the He's the 1481 01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,920 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, He's the justin Fields. Right, He's the guy 1482 01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,240 Speaker 1: they're trying to scheme up best to get him best 1483 01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:44,000 Speaker 1: running back in the league. Just let sam Ellinger keep 1484 01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,719 Speaker 1: the ball. If Sam Ellinger beats you on readoption running 1485 01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:48,800 Speaker 1: the football at the four eight four, then you got 1486 01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,160 Speaker 1: big problems. You gotta tackle him, though tackle. We gotta 1487 01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:53,920 Speaker 1: wrap it up. But I want to think everybody that 1488 01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,439 Speaker 1: called in this is a good show. Good shire in 1489 01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,840 Speaker 1: this show today. We'll keep it going. We'll see you 1490 01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:02,839 Speaker 1: guys next week. Thanks for Internet, Thank you for downloading 1491 01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:06,599 Speaker 1: this podcast. 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