1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Business Week from Bloomberg Radio. Hi, I'm 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: Jason Kelly and I'm Carol Masser. Welcome to the Bloomberg 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Business Week Extra. It's a weekly podcast bringing you an 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: interview you probably won't hear anywhere else. And this is 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: really the case with this guest, because man, he's one 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: of KKR's first employees, but he definitely stays out of 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: the public eye. We're talking about Paul Raither. I have 8 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: gotten to know him over the past few years, and 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: I've actually been with him in Hartford, Connecticut, and that's 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: really where this story happens. Dream Camp. He created it 11 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: a couple of decades ago. Now as he thinks about 12 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: his role as a philanthropist, he's got even bigger plans 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: for what giving can look like going forward. Jason, you 14 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: certainly said some nice things about me. We haven't seen 15 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,319 Speaker 1: each other for a while, but um, it's good too. 16 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: It's good to get reconnected. And yes, I have been 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: trying to do some things for Trinity College and in Hartford, Connecticut, 18 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: which is near and dear to my are well tell 19 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: me about that. I was lucky enough to go to 20 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: Hartford with you a few years ago. And you and 21 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: I spent the day together, and you know it's clear 22 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: when you're there that it is. It had a huge 23 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: impression on you, not just the school, but the community. 24 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: Tell us about dream Camp, because that feels like the 25 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: manifestation of a lot of what you think about, UH 26 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: and what you're trying to do. Okay, well, listen in 27 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: in in the late nineteen nineties, around nine, I had 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: the idea that we needed to do something UM in 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: the Hartford community. And when I say we, I'm talking 30 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: about Trinity College and UM. You know, Trinity UM had 31 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: always been sort of viewed by the community as you 32 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: know the kids up on the hill. Uh and Hertford 33 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: in the late nineties was a city in distress and 34 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: a city that was not clearly not doing well. The 35 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: education system UH in Hartford was broken. UH. In fact, 36 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: it was taken over several times by by the state 37 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: because they ran out of money and be lost their accreditation. 38 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: And and I said to myself, you know what we 39 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: need if we're going to really change the cycle, UM, 40 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: we need some education for these younger kids in particular. 41 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: And so I had this idea of trying to start 42 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: a camp for kids sort of ages six to ten, 43 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: because you know that that's when you really can get 44 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: to get to these kids, because they're obviously very impressionable 45 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 1: at that age, and you can teach them things that 46 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: that they don't know and things that they're not necessarily 47 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 1: going to learn in schools, particularly when the schools are 48 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: not operating going very well. And um, Michael Rouse who 49 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: runs a a company down in Philadelphia called SF Sports Camp. 50 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: I went to Michael and said, look, I've got this idea, 51 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: you know, and here's my idea. Can you do something 52 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: like this? And he said absolutely, I can definitely do this. 53 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: And not only can I do this, this is really exciting. 54 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: And he'd already you know, he's had he started this camp, um, 55 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: you know, thirty plus years ago, this camp business. Uh. 56 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: And he's been very successful. And he actually was running 57 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: a camp at Greenwich Academy, uh in the summer here. Uh. 58 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: So I've seen his work and known him well, and 59 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: I said, here's here's what I want to do. I 60 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: want to create a program that will be tuition free 61 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: for kids in Hertford. And I want to create a 62 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: program that will be racially balanced, so it'll be one 63 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: third African American one third Hispanic uh and one third 64 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: white UH. And get these kids at age six to ten, 65 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: bring them in UH and teach them a lot of 66 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: things that they really don't know. In addition to which, 67 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: think about this, they're going to be on the Trinity 68 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: College campus because I'd gone to the then president at 69 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: at Trinity and said, look, here's here's the idea of 70 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: here's what i'd like to do, um and and but 71 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: I need your cooperation, I need your help, and I 72 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: need your facilities, all of which they agreed to. So 73 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: that's that's Jason, how it really you know, how it 74 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: really got started? Um and you know, I mean here 75 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: we are twenty three years later, and frankly it's been 76 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: a huge success. Well that's what I want to ask you. 77 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: And I do want to get to the success of it, 78 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: the impact of it. But I want to ask you too, though, Paul, 79 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,559 Speaker 1: this is about and I feel like because of the virus, 80 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: because of what happened about um George Floyd, what happened 81 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: to him in Minneapolis, we're talking about so much of 82 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: the inequalities and what we're discovering or really kind of 83 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: putting out there is that we've got to end these 84 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: bad cycles that don't provide everyone equally opportunities to ultimately succeed, 85 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: whether it's an education, whether it's professionally, and also ultimately 86 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: to provide some wealth and you know, generational wealth that 87 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: pulls everybody out of a bad situation. And I feel 88 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: like this is kind of what you guys are going 89 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: out breaking, that you know, rough cycle that unfortunately so 90 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: many have to endure. Yeah, well that's what we're trying 91 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: to do, Carol. Um. You know, look what I went 92 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: when I was at Trinity, which was a long time ago, 93 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: in the in the sixties, the neighborhood around Trinity was 94 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: middle class to lower middle class. UM, basically people from 95 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: Italian and Polish heritage who worked in manufacturing jobs in Hertford. Uh. 96 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: And those jobs all went away. Um, they all moved 97 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: basically to you know, to the south where the work 98 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: rules were easier for the companies and and and people. 99 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: The people who moved into the neighborhood were basically Hispanic uh. 100 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: And so the neighborhood around Trinity changed dramatically. And you know, 101 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: Trinity started this program under President Dobell uh in the 102 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: mid nineties where they created the Learning Cord or which 103 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,039 Speaker 1: is you know, a street across the street from the 104 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,559 Speaker 1: main part of the Trinity campus UH, and with state 105 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: funds and federal funds, built three new schools, a monesstory 106 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: lower school, a Magnet middle school, and an upper high 107 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: school that was for for science, mathematics, and dance in theater. 108 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: And so that was sort of the first step. And 109 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: then on top of that, I said, well, okay, so 110 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: that's great, but now what else can we do with 111 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: with these kids? And so that's that's why I came 112 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: up with the idea of you know, kids six to 113 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: ten because in my mind, in my mind, education is 114 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: the great love you were you know, really, you know, 115 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: lovely in terms of telling us, Paul, what this camp 116 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: sets out to do and how it works, I am 117 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: curious about the impact of the camp and the success 118 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: that it's having on these six to ten year olds. Well, 119 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 1: hopefully Carol is having a lot of success on these 120 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: six We started with six to ten UH and then 121 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: I think, you know, a seven years after we started 122 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: the camp UM there was a sports camp UH at 123 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: Trinity that had been there for thirty seven years, funded 124 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: by the n C double A and the federal government, 125 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: and that program was cut back and the Trinity program 126 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: was eliminated, and so we went to the college and said, look, 127 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: we can't let these kids go uh. And so we 128 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: merged the Sports camp into the Dream Camp and became 129 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: a camp of two d and fifty kids from ages 130 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: six to sixteen. And so the program is start with 131 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: a child at the age of six, um, start with 132 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: the five week summer program, uh, and then take these 133 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: kids all the way through until their fifteen sixteen years old. 134 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: And ninety plus percent of our kids actually go to 135 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: the full the full route through and then a significant 136 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: number of those kids at sixteen to seventeen become counselors 137 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: in training at the camp, so they're they're they're there 138 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: with us for ten plus years us and then hopefully 139 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: they go to college. And ninety plus percent of our 140 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: kids that have gone through the program have actually gone 141 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: on to college. So in that sense, in that sense, 142 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: it's really been a big success. But probably three years 143 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: after we started the program, Michael Rouse, who I said 144 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: earlier was the god that I went to to, you know, 145 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: to try to implement this on a day to day basis, 146 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: came to me and sit, Paul, we have to do 147 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: something besides just the fifth five week program in the summer, 148 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: we have to go full time. But in other words, 149 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: we have to create a program after school. So in 150 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: the summer, at the five week program, you know, we 151 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: picked the kids up in the morning, we bring them 152 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: to the campus at Trinity, we feed them breakfast, uh, 153 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: and then they've got a full day and then we 154 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: put them on the bus and we take them home. 155 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: And then in the fall when we started the after 156 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: school program, we picked these kids up then after school 157 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, four days, four days a week, and we 158 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: bring them to Trinity uh and we tutor them in 159 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: effect after school, and that tutoring is done almost exclusively 160 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: by Trinity College students. So these kids are getting an 161 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: opportunity to interact with you know, Trinity undergraduates, and the 162 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: Trinity undergraduates are getting an opportunity to interface with with 163 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: these kids. And so it's it's a win win for 164 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: everybody because they really get to see things that they 165 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: otherwise wouldn't see it. So, um, so this is now 166 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: a forty five week program um after school and then 167 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: five weeks in the summer. So basically, you know, we've 168 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: become a year round program. Um. You know with with 169 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: these kids, and so you know, the statistics are great. 170 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: I mean, ninety plus percent of these kids stay with us, 171 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: ninety plus percent of these kids end up going to college. 172 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 1: Six of them at graduated from Trinity. That's so cool. 173 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, that's that's the Grand Slam right there. 174 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: So it is it is the Grand Slam. Go ahead, So, Paul, 175 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: I do have to ask you before we run out 176 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: of time. You know, one of the things you've identified 177 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 1: in this is something that we've really learned a lot about, 178 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: unfortunately during the pandemic, which is the food and security 179 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: that we're facing as a nation. So talk to us 180 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: briefly about what you've done around that issue, because it's 181 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: really important, I think for people to understand. Okay, well 182 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: there's actually two parts of it, but let's do with 183 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: what happened in in you know, in March. Uh, you know, schools, 184 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: schools went virtual in Connecticut, and under Connecticut state law, 185 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: schools have to provide at least one meal a day 186 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: to the kids. Okay, so the kids are not in school, 187 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: so those meals are not being provided, and so all 188 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: of a sudden there's a hole in uh, you know, 189 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: in their daily routine in terms of in terms of 190 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: getting fed. And so Michael Rouse again came to me 191 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: and said, we need to shift gears. We need to 192 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: continue to do the after school program, but it's going 193 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: to be virtual, just like uh, you know their school 194 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: is during the day. What we need to create we 195 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: need to create a program um that will provide food 196 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: for for people. And so I said, well, give me 197 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: a budget, give me an idea, tell me how you're 198 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: going to do this. And he came up with a 199 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: program where he teamed up with chef Frankie Slenza, who 200 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: was in an Emmy Award winning cooking show. Uh chef, 201 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: uh you know somebody that he knows down in the 202 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: Philadelphia area. And he created a series of menus uh 203 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: and put together food packages and the recipes are in 204 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: English and in Spanish, and he's got videos and so 205 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: we're start. We started delivering meals in late March, uh 206 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: you know too, to these families in Hartford. So they 207 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: didn't have to come and stand in line at a 208 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: food bank. The food was actually delivered to them by 209 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: people who worked for E. S. S. Sports camps or 210 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: Trinity undergraduate students. So the food was coming up from Philadelphia, 211 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: coming into Hartford and then dispatched to these families. And 212 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: so we did that from you know, the end of March, 213 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: you know, right up through the beginning of camp, and 214 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: we delivered over ten thousand meals. And that was Paul Ray, 215 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: their senior advisory partner at the private equity firm kk R. 216 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: You've heard of that, but you might not have heard 217 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: about the work that he has done in Hartford, Connecticut. 218 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: Trinity College is so devoted to that school. Really enjoyed 219 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: catching up with him. Yeah, and I just love that, 220 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: you know, identifying a community that just needs some help, 221 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: especially for its younger population. What struck me he said 222 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: that about the kids at attend Dream Camp ultimately go 223 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: off to college. That was really impressive. You've been listening 224 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg Business Week Extra and be sure to catch 225 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: us every day Monday through Friday at two pm Wall 226 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: Street Time. I'm Bloomberg Radio. I'm Carol Masser, and I'm 227 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: Jason Kelly. This is Bloomberg