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Speaker 1: And good afternoon everybody. It is Steve Schmidt with the

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Speaker 1: Warning Podcast and I'm thrilled today again to be joined

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Speaker 1: by the veteran journalist Marita Georgio. She is in Marana, Arizona,

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Speaker 1: in southern Arizona, at the site of another proposed future

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Speaker 1: ice detention facility that many people call concentration camps.

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Speaker 2: Maricha, how are you.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Steve. I'm doing well.

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Speaker 4: It's hot out here, but we have been out. We've

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Speaker 4: been in Marana all morning. There was actually a Founder's

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Speaker 4: Day parade that we went to and talked to folks

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Speaker 4: on the ground. And just before that, this group at

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Speaker 4: this local group called Pima Resists Ice or Price, they

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Speaker 4: had just kind of a little makeshift proteus holding up

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Speaker 4: signs standing out on the corner, trying to raise awareness

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Speaker 4: about what is being proposed at this facility here behind

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Speaker 4: me and Marana.

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Speaker 1: So what is being proposed there? Yesterday you were in Surprise, Arizona.

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Speaker 1: We talked about the facility there that clocks in it

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Speaker 1: about half the size of the facility that you reported

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Speaker 1: from in Social Circle, Georgia, about half a million square

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Speaker 1: feet that's being proposed to be converted into a prison

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Speaker 1: facility for fifteen hundred people, though it could hold more.

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Speaker 1: And tell us now about this facility behind you, what

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Speaker 1: would its purpose be and what is it being.

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Speaker 2: Proposed to do? How many people would it hold there?

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you can hear me, see if

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Speaker 4: we are just having some connectivity issues. So I've lost

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Speaker 4: my IFB and my ability to hear you. But we

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Speaker 4: are working on it. So I'll let you talk and

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Speaker 4: as soon as I hear you, I'll wave again at

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Speaker 4: the camera.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we will work through that problem.

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Speaker 1: Of course, what Maricha is doing is she's reporting from

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Speaker 1: a network of proposed prison facilities that are being built

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Speaker 1: by the Department of Homeland Security. And Mariza has reported

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Speaker 1: from Social Circle Georgia an immense warehouse million square feet

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Speaker 1: that's proposed to hold thousands of immigrant prisoners, and now

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Speaker 1: she is in Arizona. But these facilities are proposed all

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Speaker 1: over and they have been purchased in many instances, it

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Speaker 1: appears through irregular processes, contravening standard government contracting rules and regulations.

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Speaker 1: They did not do the required environmental assessments, and these

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Speaker 1: abilities have purchased at a far far above their value,

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Speaker 1: above their net worth. The facility in Georgia was purchased

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Speaker 1: at five x its assessed value, and this facility was

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Speaker 1: purchased in Arizona in Surprise at a number of multiples

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Speaker 1: it's assessed value. So we don't know what any of

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Speaker 1: the details are about that, besides the fact that this

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Speaker 1: Department of Homeland Security is battled, is facing a lot

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Speaker 1: of corruption allegations from the advertising campaign that was run

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Speaker 1: on behalf of Christie Home to the contract around that

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Speaker 1: that is seeded two hundred and twenty million dollars through

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Speaker 1: the contracts around these facilities, and so there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of information to be uncovered. Democrats have talked about when

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Speaker 1: they are the majority after these elections in November, that

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Speaker 1: there will be a fun reckoning, a full accountability, a

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Speaker 1: full understanding of what's happening. Our friend Miles Taylor at

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Speaker 1: Defiance has pointed out that the immense size its scale

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Speaker 1: of these proposed prisons is such that it will exceed

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Speaker 1: the federal prison network in its entirety, meaning that the

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Speaker 1: IC detention facilities will be an alternate prison system that

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Speaker 1: is in fact larger than the federal prison system, meaning

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Speaker 1: every person who's so irving a sentence from the most

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Speaker 1: maximum security prisons to the minimum security prisons in the

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Speaker 1: federal administration that the total number of beds that the

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Speaker 1: archipelago that is managed by ICE that's springing up around

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Speaker 1: the country that's springing up in these warehouses and in

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Speaker 1: and we're sharing that reporting the Mariza is doing across

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Speaker 1: the channels of the Save America movement network, across Riza's platforms,

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Speaker 1: across my platforms where you can know what's going on.

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Speaker 1: So Meriza is reporting from a we're at Arizona. She

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Speaker 1: is standing in front of the facility that is proposed

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Speaker 1: by ICE all across the country where people will be

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Speaker 1: put into with if the past prisons that we've talked

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Speaker 2: Good to have you back.

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Speaker 4: Okay, hey, Steve, sorry, you know this heat, it's shutting

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Speaker 4: down our phones and so to connect our phones have

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Speaker 4: So we'll try to get this get this information out,

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Speaker 4: so I said earlier, we were at the Founder's Day parade.

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Speaker 4: We talked to people, you know, so many people that

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Speaker 4: They had no idea what was planned for this facility.

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Speaker 4: Behind me, I spoke to a few people very supportive

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Speaker 4: of the Trump administration's integration policies. They said, well, this

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Speaker 4: one makes sense because it's already built, and so it's

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Speaker 4: a way to repurpose this and it's already been a prison.

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Speaker 4: That is why this facility stands out. It's quite a

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Speaker 4: bit different from these other warehouses that we've been reporting on,

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Speaker 4: the one in Social Circle, the one in Surprise, and

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Speaker 4: just been out of commission, a shuttered facility. Well, then

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Speaker 4: the state of Arizona sold back to this group that

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Speaker 4: and they are now in talks in plans with the

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Speaker 4: federal government to manage this facility. They purchased it again

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Speaker 4: last year for fifteen million dollars and there there's a

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Speaker 4: plan here for them to manage this facility to be

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Speaker 4: one of these intake centers for ice detainees. Now, I

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Speaker 4: details about it. Now that's where this organization price comes in.

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Speaker 4: They're trying to get the word out. And I asked,

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Speaker 4: what they can to show up to the town council meetings,

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Speaker 4: to show up at public events, hold signs, get information out.

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Speaker 4: But they're start a new campaign to try to go

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Speaker 4: I asked people, well, do you know about this iced

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Speaker 4: And they had no idea. It was the first they

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Speaker 4: what's it going to do? Not only who who are

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Speaker 4: what will it do to the community the town of Marana.

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Speaker 4: There's been this huge effort you can see it everywhere,

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Speaker 4: Do we want you know, we're trying to get people

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Speaker 4: What is this going to do for those plans? Not

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Speaker 4: to mention being associated with a facility that is locking

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Speaker 2: Maurice, when do you start prison shutter?

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Speaker 4: It was twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: And how many jobs would would would that prison bring

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Speaker 4: You know, Steve, I'm not sure of the total number

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Speaker 4: It'll bring jobs, it'll provide a place for people to work.

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Speaker 4: But I do know that the plans that DHS has

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Speaker 4: this group is saying, Okay, we have from now until November.

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Speaker 4: Not only are they doing a lot of get out

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Speaker 4: he basically said what I just said. You know, this

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Speaker 4: is different. This is a different facility. It's already zoned

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Speaker 4: don't have the same legal avenues that maybe Social Circle

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Speaker 4: This is zoned to do just that. So he basically said,

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Speaker 4: this because as we've talked about, as a federal government,

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Speaker 1: And none of that, of course is Miles Taylor pointed out, Yes,

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Speaker 1: and the regular regularity that that process may in fact

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. And you know, we were at the

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Speaker 4: concern for all of them, and they're hearing from their

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Speaker 4: and it's very different from Social Circle Georgia, right. I mean,

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Speaker 4: and they're being profiled. And so the concern here is

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Speaker 4: what this is going to do to the local economy.

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Speaker 4: That people are going to be afraid to leave their homes,

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Speaker 4: And so we did talk with Representative Grijalva Representative Jacobs,

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Speaker 4: talk to people, to spread awareness, to make people informed

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Speaker 4: because They believe that the more people that know about

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Speaker 3: They are hopeful that will.

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Speaker 4: Engage this population and really push back and put pressure

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Speaker 1: Now a member of fully scorn into the United States Congress.

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Speaker 1: I think we have some sound of Congress women from

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Speaker 5: Let's write, prisons are benefiting the companies, but really there's

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Speaker 5: really the humanitarian crisis is another huge concern. We just

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Speaker 5: heard today about a gentleman that was, you know, taking

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Speaker 5: Emmanuel Damas is the same situation where his family kept

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Speaker 5: asking what are y'all doing and he ends up dying

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Speaker 5: that's the kind of stuff that's happening every day.

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Speaker 1: We also we also have sound I think from the

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Speaker 6: I just visited Dailly Detention Center in Texas last week,

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Speaker 6: it was, honestly, it was state sanctioned child abuse, like

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Speaker 6: they I met toddlers who were so anxious and depressed

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 6: There is no human way to detain children. Children should

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Speaker 6: And so we need to end family detention. We need

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Speaker 3: Be living in these conditions.

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Speaker 6: We need to shut down dilly.

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Speaker 1: Maricha, the Congress, go ahead, Maricha, Okay, sorry.

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Speaker 4: We have a little bit of pilly.

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Speaker 5: So I wanted to mention that.

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Speaker 4: You know, we talked at length with both of those

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Speaker 4: same with Representative Grihalva. One thing that really angers me

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Speaker 4: when I talk to them is that they were told

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Speaker 4: but also they describe these conditions. I'm a mother, as

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Speaker 4: anybody who cares about children, you hear about that if

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Speaker 4: to any kind of normalcy. And then you know, I

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Speaker 4: just talked to a gentleman at the parade and he said, hey,

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Speaker 4: be sending them back to where they came from. And

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Speaker 4: I said, well, do you think children too, He's like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 4: if their parents, if their parents are here illegally, yeah,

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Speaker 4: they should be. And so there is just this disconnect

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Speaker 4: and I'm going to talk about it with my guests

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Speaker 4: many who support facilities like this and actually seeing even

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Speaker 4: completely horrifying.

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Speaker 2: Thongress Woman Grihall.

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Speaker 1: We talked about the private prison companies and congress Woman

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Speaker 1: Jacobs talked about being in the facility in Billy that

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Speaker 1: is run I think by the private prison company for

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Speaker 1: Civic if I'm correct.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right. And that's the thing is

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Speaker 4: that these companies are getting hundreds of millions of dollars,

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Speaker 4: if not in the billions to run these And that's

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Speaker 4: the whole thing with the surprise warehouse that we were

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Speaker 4: at yesterday when we talked to you. You know, that

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Speaker 4: was purchased by DHS for seventy million, like we said,

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Speaker 4: but the contract awarded without the normal process that we've

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Speaker 4: hundred and thirteen million for one year. Steve, that's one year,

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Speaker 4: and so if it goes into two years, we're talking

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Speaker 4: about upwards of seven hundred million dollars for that one facility.

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Speaker 1: Extraordinary total lack of transparentye around every aspect facilities.

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Speaker 2: Rita. Tell us about your guest.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so I have our guests. I have a

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Speaker 4: few guests here. We're going to talk to these folks.

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Speaker 5: First.

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Speaker 4: You two are members of price A Pima Resists Ice

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Speaker 4: and you you were telling me a little bit about

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Speaker 4: your concerns. Excuse me, what your main concerns are and

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Speaker 4: why you got involved. So let's start with you.

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Speaker 3: Dennis Well.

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Speaker 7: I first became involved because I was appalled at the

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Speaker 7: that right here in Morano they were proposing with attention center,

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Speaker 4: And you talk to me about your specific concern about

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Speaker 4: due process.

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Speaker 7: Yes, despite the fact that the Constitution of the United

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Speaker 7: States States explicitly states that any person within the borders

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Speaker 7: of the United States, whether they're a citizen or not,

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Speaker 7: who is suspected of an offense, has the constitutional right

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Speaker 7: the due process of law, the constitutional right to seek

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Speaker 7: are ninety thousand people in over two hundred detention centers

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Speaker 7: across this Land of the Free that have never spoken

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Speaker 7: to an attorney, wh who have never had due process

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we've talked a lot about that and even

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Speaker 4: faith based communities are playing a role in this resistance

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well to some in particular, which is our joining

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Speaker 8: community to Morana here has been engaged, if not founding,

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Speaker 3: So long ago, right, So we have been engaged clergy.

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Speaker 8: Faith leaders have been engaged in the work around immigration

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Speaker 8: There are new clergy here that are trying to decide

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of the support around mutual aid.

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Speaker 8: There isn't a lot of faith movement in the prevention

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Speaker 3: Beings, and that is something that I find pretty upsetting.

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Speaker 8: I think there's two or three of us within the

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Speaker 3: But then don't seem to care about this an.

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Speaker 4: Or detention zones. That's fascinating and is there has there

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yes, absolutely. I get to be the associate

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Speaker 8: Church down in Green Valley, and that church is deeply

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Speaker 3: When this came up, they were like, wait, what is

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Speaker 3: And so I have seen it in my own personal.

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Speaker 8: Level, and then with my statewide influence.

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Speaker 3: There is definitely clergy of the Americopa County.

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Speaker 8: That has showed up and showed out for resistance against

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Speaker 4: So Dunnis we talked about this, but this facility is

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Speaker 4: it is zoned for this already. What avenues has your

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Speaker 7: Well, I can't go into all the details of all

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Speaker 7: uncovering some possible avenues. But it even just a very

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Speaker 7: You asked about the change in attitudes that people are having,

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Speaker 4: Steve, if you have any questions, I can help, I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was curious to follow up with the pastor

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Speaker 2: Can you hear me, Rita? Can you hear me? Do

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Speaker 4: Okay, we've lost our connection. We can't hear.

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Speaker 2: We've lost We've lost our connections.

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Speaker 4: Is the Arizona heat Let me try to get reconnected here.

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Speaker 1: Opportunity to hear from some of the local activists and

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Speaker 2: And the question I was going to ask was.

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Speaker 4: is that clergy members that others in the faith based

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Speaker 4: lethargic response about responding to this facility in others.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it goes back to the lack of

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Speaker 8: And to be clear, that a number and I'll speak from.

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Speaker 3: The Christian perspective that is my faith tradition.

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Speaker 8: Our congregations are aging and mobility accessibility is.

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Speaker 5: Definitely a factor.

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Speaker 3: I would also say, at least when I come from

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Speaker 8: Fellowship of the perman Ministries and the United Church of

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Speaker 8: Christ were progressive in a lot of ways. And so

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Speaker 8: there are a lot of people who did the work

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Speaker 3: They're exhausted. They have been steeped in so much fear.

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Speaker 8: Since the first administration, through the pandemic, and now on

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Speaker 8: this side of things, that apathy has taken roots, and

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Speaker 8: pastors and clergy folks may not know how to address

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Speaker 8: that while also trying to keep the buildings around to

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Speaker 8: try to keep and we have a pastor or a

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Speaker 8: clergy member part of Price who said, we actually don't

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Speaker 8: need a building, we need to.

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Speaker 3: Be out in the streets and did that work.

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Speaker 8: And so it's trying to invite other clergy and congregation members.

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Speaker 3: Why does this matter.

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Speaker 8: It doesn't matter if you're eighty, it doesn't matter if

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Speaker 8: you're eight. It's important to see the dignity that our

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Speaker 8: scriptures call.

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Speaker 3: Us into time and time again.

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Speaker 8: And so I feel like it's just it's a lot

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Speaker 8: lot of paralyzation.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what I could possibly do.

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Speaker 8: They may once I believed in writing an obed, but

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Speaker 8: now don't they might have believed in going to town

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Speaker 8: council and saying something and then just getting disgusted and

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Speaker 8: hurt at the.

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Speaker 3: Fact that the council is not hearing what they say.

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Speaker 8: I would say that that's probably the major factor. And

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Speaker 8: then there's been so much church harm, and so a

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Speaker 8: lot of younger generations, queer.

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Speaker 3: Populations like myself stepped away from the.

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Speaker 8: Church because of the harms that we saw happening, and

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Speaker 8: how there was just again that apathy, the lack of

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Speaker 8: knowledge of these things were happening. And so Christianity in

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Speaker 8: particular here in the United States is crumbling. And I

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Speaker 8: love it because it allows the opportunity for what scripture

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Speaker 8: really says, which is love, which is dignity, which is

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Speaker 8: just moving towards being in community and in relationship with people,

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Speaker 8: and every single thing, even the Book of Revelation is

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Speaker 8: anti empire. And so hearing that message, when you've been

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Speaker 8: taught your whole life that it was the opposite thing

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Speaker 8: that our scriptures were based in, be your control and

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Speaker 8: shame to know that it actually doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Say that we have to give people the space to go, oh,

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Speaker 3: oh yeah, what.

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Speaker 8: Does that mean about who I am and what I

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Speaker 8: thought I was?

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Speaker 3: And then how is it that.

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Speaker 4: I moved from I just had a conversation like that

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Speaker 4: with somebody in Georgia who said that she was raised

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Speaker 4: to kind of just believe you look out for your own,

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Speaker 4: you just take care of your own yourself, and she

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Speaker 4: had to relearn these values that she actually felt and

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Speaker 4: believed in later in life. Back you, Steve.

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Speaker 2: Well, maricha fantastic across the country.

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Speaker 1: You have a evil that is taken root, and that

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Speaker 1: is this idea that human beings by the thousand will

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Speaker 1: be placed where have in industrial facilities and awaiting their

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Speaker 1: deportation from the country. It is moral, it is an

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Speaker 1: American and it must be opposed and Save American Movement.

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Speaker 1: We intend to propose it, to expose it, and to

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Speaker 1: report on it, and we're going to have more updates

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Speaker 1: over the course of the weekend. We're going to do

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Speaker 1: it again tomorrow with Marita Georgio and we will have

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Speaker 1: Miles Taylor again with us from Surprise, Arizona. And again,

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Speaker 1: thank you everybody for joining and for supporting to Save

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Speaker 1: America Movement dot org. If you can support the work,

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Speaker 1: go on make a donation. We're going to get the

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Speaker 1: word out all across the country and make sure that

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Speaker 1: every local group understands that they are a part of

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Speaker 1: a vast, interconnected network across the country of towns that

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Speaker 1: the federal government thought they could do this and without

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Speaker 1: much pushback and without people seeing it. But people see it,

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Speaker 1: and it will be seen, and nobody will be able

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Speaker 1: to say that they didn't know that any of this

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Speaker 1: was happening. And so Marisa, I'm going to toss it

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Speaker 1: to you for the final word, and then we'll say

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Speaker 1: good afternoon and see everybody tomorrow again.

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Speaker 2: So back to you, Marisa, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 4: Steve. I think that you know we're going to continue

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Speaker 4: these conversations. We are going to talk to somebody with

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Speaker 4: the local city attorney's office here and really just talking

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Speaker 4: about what these avenues look like where the pushback is.

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Speaker 4: But one thing that I have taught to people about

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Speaker 4: and I know we're going into these groups where you know,

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Speaker 4: these are hyper engaged citizens and community members. But what

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Speaker 4: I've seen on the ground here in Arizona has just

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Speaker 4: been remarkable organization and mobilization of people and the amount

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Speaker 4: of activity that these I mean, the protesters and activists

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Speaker 4: and people who are getting out and spreading the word.

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Speaker 4: They're not just going out here and there. I mean

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Speaker 4: I had a woman tell me about like her weekly

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Speaker 4: schedule last night, and they are they are inngaged and

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Speaker 4: they care, and it's really quite something to see so

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Speaker 4: many opportunities to get out and get involved and do something,

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Speaker 4: and from across all belief systems, from across all political spectrums,

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Speaker 4: different backgrounds, it's been pretty remarkable.

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Speaker 1: From Marana Arizona, Marita Georgio. Thank you very much, and

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Speaker 1: we'll have more as the weekend goes on. This is

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Speaker 1: the warning. I'm Steve Schmidt. Thank you for getting on

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Speaker 1: and spending some time with us on the Save America

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Speaker 1: Movement channel this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you