1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Why from our nations. I'll talk here in Washington, d C. 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Turns to President elect Joe Biden's administration. Speaker Pelosi has 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: beat the political odds and reclaimed the galvil. We're talking 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: right now about two four jockeying amongst Republicans, Bloomberg sound Off, 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: the insiders, the influencers, the inside. Biden has poments again 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: and again it he will unite the country the only 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: way things happened and if Republicans Democrats work together. Unfortunately 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: for President elect Biden, this is a time when he's 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: getting the most support he's going to get in the 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: Democratic Party. This is Bloomberg Sound On with Levin Shirley 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. The New York Times reports that Leader 12 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell is said to be pleased about impeachment. Plus, 13 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: what did President Trump have to say to reporters today, 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: We've got every angle cover. Just shortly before coming on air, uh, 15 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: there was a major headline moving from the New York 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: Times that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is reportedly pleased 17 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: with regards towards the House's impeachment process. The House is 18 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: expected to vote on impeachment tomorrow, reading from j Martin 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: Maggie Haberman in the Times quote. Senate Majority Leader Mitch 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: McConnell has told associates that he believes President Trump's committed 21 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: impeachable offenses and that he is pleased that Democrats are 22 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: moving to impeach him, believing that it will make it 23 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: easier to purge him from the party. According to people 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: familiar with the thinking, the House is voting on Wednesday 25 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: to formally charge Mr Trump with inciting violence against the country. 26 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: We've got sound on this from President Trump, who spoke 27 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: this morning before he left for Texas, telling reporters that 28 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: his address last Wednesday two followers in Washington. He urged 29 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: those followers to march to the Capitol where a riot 30 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: and soon was just fine. Take a listen. They've atalized 31 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: my speech and my words and my final paragraph, my 32 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: final sentence, and everybody took the Keith thought it was 33 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: totally appropriate. At least a dozen Republicans in the House 34 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: of Representatives are expected to vote with Democrats to impeach 35 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: the president. The President also commented on the South Lawn 36 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: this morning before leaving for Texas about what he described 37 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: was the moments before the riot ensued here sound on that, 38 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: or Nancy Pelosi and jump Jumer to continue on this path. 39 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: I think it's causing tremendous danger to our country, and 40 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: it's causing tremendous anchor pretty and if we are joined 41 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: now by Rick Davis, who is a partner at stone 42 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: Court Capital, and we'll be getting his analysis throughout the hour. 43 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: But I want to turn now to our guests. To 44 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: our producer. Christine Barada just told me has now joined 45 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: US Congresswoman Abigail Spanburger. She is a Democrat from Virginia. Congresswoman. 46 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: You hear the developments in the Times in which Leader McConnell's, 47 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: citing anonymous sources, is reportedly pleased about the impeachment proceedings 48 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: for tomorrow. And of course I'm sure you've you're now 49 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: familiar with the comments from President Trump this morning, your 50 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: reaction tonight. Um, you know, I I'm astounded by the 51 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: comments of the President, the absolute lack of responsibility that 52 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: he's taking. There were people rating the capital saying they 53 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: were there because President Trump sent them. Ah, he said 54 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: go to the capital. Um, I you know, Uh, it's 55 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: it's completely consistent with this president that he would not 56 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: take any responsibility for his actions, for his words, for 57 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: the outcomes related to his words, um, but it's particularly 58 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: horrifying when these words in this particular case, resulted in 59 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: the death of multiple people, including the murder of a 60 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: capital police officer who was beaten to death by insurrection 61 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: of corgress from an Abigail spen Burger is with US. 62 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: She's a Democrat from Virginia's seventh congressional district. She serves 63 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: on the House Committee of Foreign Affairs in the U 64 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: s House Committee on Agriculture. She's a former federal agent 65 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: with the US Postal Inspection Service investigating money laundering and 66 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: narcotics cases, as well as a former case officer with 67 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: the CIA. Congresswoman to follow up on this, what have 68 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: you heard about the timetable? Purely from a procedural standpoint 69 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: about the impeachment proceedings tomorrow? So my understanding is that 70 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: that vote will come up tomorrow. It is not yet 71 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: clear to me. I have also been in transit, so 72 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: there might be updates that I have missed in the 73 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: past couple hours. But I'm not sure of the times 74 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: that that vote will occur. But as of right now, 75 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: that that vote is slated to occur tomorrow, in terms 76 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: of how much how many Republicans you feel will vote 77 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: for this, have you spoken with any of your Republican 78 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: colleagues and and and do you think this will be 79 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: a bi part as an effort. I will say this, 80 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: I have had, I have spoken to and heard from 81 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: multiple Republicans who have said that his actions were impeachable. 82 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: Whether they actually vote for impeachment remains these seens, um 83 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: which I say that with great sadness and disappointment, But 84 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,559 Speaker 1: that is that is the case. Have you been told 85 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: whether or not it's possible for there to be a 86 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: set and I know you're not in the Senate, but 87 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: a Senate impeachment trial after inauguration or is that still 88 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: an unknown? You mean from a legal stand from a 89 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: legal yes. So from a legal standpoint, there, uh, there 90 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: is not a set timeframe. He does not still need 91 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: to be at a sitting member or excuse me, a 92 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: sitting president for the trial. So it wouldn't have to 93 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: be a scenario in which the trial occurs before inauguration day. Um. 94 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: But but beyond that, we we are aware of that. 95 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: In fact, it is wholly appropriate legal constitutional for that 96 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: hearing to come up. Um, at whatever point in time 97 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: we we bring the articles, the House delivers the articles 98 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: to the Senate. I say this is a question again 99 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: from a matter of process, but in the judicial sphere, 100 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: so many trials, as you know, Congresswoman, it's an opportunity 101 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: to uh interview individuals, to have individuals testify, to have 102 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: evidence submitted for the record. And I'm curious, is there 103 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: enough time to really launch a thorough investigation, not just 104 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: about the horrific images that the world saw, but and 105 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: truly understanding the planning that required for this. Yeah. No, 106 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: And I think that that's back to your last question, 107 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: because you know the Houses section and part of the 108 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: impeachment process is in the judicial system, kind to the indictment. 109 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: So is there enough to indicte this president in the 110 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: first place? Um? And and certainly I believe that there 111 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: is absolutely enough to indict this president, just based on 112 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: his public comments that were there for everyone for the 113 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: world to see, based on the fact that as there 114 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: were rioters and insurrectionists attacking the United States capital, um, 115 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: beating police officers, that the best he could do with 116 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: a statement saying, uh, we love you all. Um. So 117 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: from an indictment standpoint, which is the House's role absolutely 118 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: um when it comes to the actual trial and potential 119 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: acquittal or conviction. You know, I do hope that there 120 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: will be a trial where the Senate chooses to bring 121 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: in witnesses and see evidence. You know. Notably, the last 122 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: time this president was impeach the Senate decided that they 123 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: just didn't need that type of trial or evidence presented, 124 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: presented with witnesses. So it is my my my hope 125 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: that they will uh conduct you know, resuming that impeachment 126 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: will go through tomorrow at whatever point in time we 127 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: deliver the articles to the Senate, that they will conduct 128 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: a full trial because frankly, this is about the actions 129 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: of this particular president. It is about the dangers of 130 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: these sorts of actions, and I think for a full 131 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: accounting of what happened, how these attacks occurred, uh, that 132 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: it is important that that trial um have witnesses and 133 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: have evidence presented a more fulsome way than than the 134 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: Senate was willing to do so in the last time 135 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: the President abused his power and put personal gain above 136 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: above the needs in the safety of the country. I 137 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: want to bring into this conversation Rick Davis a partner 138 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: at Stone Court Capital, former campaign manager for John McCain's 139 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight presidential campaign, and of course of 140 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributor. Rick, I mean, you listened to Congressman 141 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: Spanburger there and just purely from a process procedural standpoint 142 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: where an unchartered territory, Rick, Yeah, thank you, and thank 143 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: you very much representing Spanburger for for being on. I 144 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: I got the pleasure of listening to your presentation to 145 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: abort him on Environmental Defense Fund a little while ago. 146 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: And you did a great job. So thank you for 147 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: being there. And uh, and this is obviously a different 148 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: time and a different topic and uh and and look, 149 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: I mean I'm not surprised that there's a lot of 150 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: confusion around uh, something like this and impeachment at such 151 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: a late date. And and I'm just kind of curious 152 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: what the mood is inside of your caucus. I mean, 153 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: you know, you're you're so looking forward to a new 154 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: administration coming in. You just want a majority. And in 155 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: the United States Senate, clear skies for uh taking the 156 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: Biden agenda and making it in a law. And and 157 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 1: this is obviously a jolt in a different direction understand 158 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: the the need to be patriotic about it, but how 159 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: do you feel like it's going to affect the agenda 160 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: that that that that the country is expecting, which is 161 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: more focused on COVID, more stimulus relief and and issues 162 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: relevant to sort of the ongoing functioning of the country. Well, 163 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: I think um and calling it a jolt, I think 164 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: is a is a very fair description. I think the 165 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: reality is that we we can't ignore the the ongoing 166 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,719 Speaker 1: threat that has now um being brought to the forefront 167 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: in a really spectacularly awful way. That threat being white nationalism, 168 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: that threat being conspiracy theories that would you know, lead 169 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: people to uh insurrectionist attack on the United States capital. Um. There, 170 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: everyone is really very heavyhearted. Um And and perhaps that's 171 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: a light way to describe it, because you know, I 172 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: want nothing more than to be talking about broadband internet 173 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: programs and conservation policy and lowering the cost of prescription drugs. 174 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: That's what uh, you know, I was daydreaming of when 175 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: campaigning for my section. She's not kidding, folks, She's really 176 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: not kidding. I promised, hope, my hope is it a 177 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: couple of months, I'll get to have a show where 178 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: I ask you about that congresswoman. UM. And so you 179 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: know the I wanted January twenty s to be the 180 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: day that I is an individual, as a member of Congress, 181 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: as an election official, never had to think of this 182 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: president ever again. But we are out of place right 183 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: now where you know, generations into the future, kids will 184 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: learn about what happened when there was an attack on 185 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: the United States capital by domestic terrorists. UM. And this 186 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: is a pivot point, I believe where you know, we 187 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: are a country of law and order, We are a 188 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: country of accountability and responsibility, and we need, uh, we 189 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: need a full accounting of what happened. We need to 190 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: ensure that generations into the future. Or frankly, you know 191 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: politicians here now who have chosen uh to to hitch 192 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: their political wagons to uh conspiracy theories and fear mongering. Uh. 193 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: You know, UH politics that traffic in lies. UM, that 194 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: that there is a clear delineation of what is appropriate 195 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: and what is not, and that that level of appropriate 196 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: it is whether or not elected officials and and most 197 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: importantly and most notably the president of the United States 198 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: can indeed uh insight and insurrection and whether that will 199 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: go unnoticed. Whether that's well, it's clearly and go unnoticed, 200 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: but you know, unaccounted for, and and and I don't 201 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: think it can. And with a heavy heart and a 202 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, real sadness that we don't get to just 203 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: get to January twenty one and focus on the things 204 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: that will make people's lives better. We are in survival 205 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: mode for our democracy at this point, you know, following 206 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: up on that Congress from and there's been a lot 207 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: of reporting in the last forty eight hours about how 208 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: we got to where we are and some of the 209 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: FBI warnings that were given to capital authorities. You've got 210 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: a background in intelligence and and and and and sort 211 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: of law enforcement. I mean US Postal inspection is law 212 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: enforcement and its prime and UH and and and even 213 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: the notifications are wrought with UH concerns about the future. 214 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: Evidently on January seventeenth, there's concerns about a far right 215 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: boogaloo movement, UH taking guns to capitals. What what's your 216 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: sense of where we are now? I mean, it doesn't 217 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: sound like we're done with this. I think we're in 218 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: a desperately terrible place. UH. We are in a place 219 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: where there are multiple concurrent threat streams about what we 220 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: should expect and who we should have expect at our 221 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: nation's capital, at our state capitals. This is this is 222 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: what happens when for two months straight, UM elected officials 223 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: say that votes were stolen, elections were stolen, despite state 224 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: after state certifying UM the the outcomes of their elections 225 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: with Republican legislatures and with Republican secretary of State or 226 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: with Republican governors. UM. This is what happens when people 227 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: are willing to lie, lie, lie, and put their eggs 228 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: in the basket of conspiracy theories and frenzied fear. UM, 229 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: we get to a place where, you know, after two 230 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: months of saying they stole votes and the Democrats did this, 231 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: and these fake voting machines that did that, lies all 232 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: the way, discounted all the way. Uh, it's it is. 233 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: This is why we are out of place where there 234 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: are early people who are fear who thinks that their 235 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: votes have been stolen and are arming themselves to kind 236 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: of quote unquote take them back. And it gets to 237 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: the issue of intent and the investigation and the fundraising 238 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: and the interviews and why I as a reporter, I 239 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: you know, who believes in the process. That process is 240 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: so incredibly, incredibly important. A follow up to that, and Rick, 241 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: you brilliantly just really characterize that and Congressman's meanburger. I 242 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: appreciate your time. How do we as a society, though 243 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: facilitate without question, without question, has been a dramatic increase 244 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: in political violence, dare I say, around the world, And 245 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: and big tech has been brought into this conversation, uh, 246 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: the media has been brought into this conversation. But from 247 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: your perspective, from your personal background, how can we get 248 00:14:54,000 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: political violence as a whole to decline? I mean, you know, 249 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: I think if I had an easy answer to that, 250 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: I would have stood up waving my hands a long 251 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: time ago, screaming for people to to listen to me. 252 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: But the real challenge is there there isn't an easy answer, 253 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: and there isn't an easy answer so long as those 254 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: with the most powerful UH loudspeakers and the most powerful 255 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: voices are willing to say anything to maintain power, are 256 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: willing to get on the house floor within hours of 257 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: police officers being beaten to death and say, oh, no, no, no, 258 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: it was really Antifa. There's people are saying, right, which 259 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: actually happened. You've been really candid about about the need 260 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: for there to be a much more pragmatic tone, not 261 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: just on the right, but also on the left. To 262 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: be quite frank with you, and I guess as a lawmaker, 263 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: as an elected official, and clearly you're talking to the 264 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: business community right now, but as an elected official, does 265 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: that frustrate you that the political culture you're so to speak, 266 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about culture like on Twitter. I'm 267 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: talking about people, the fundraising and the whole culture is 268 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: kind of fueled and and and really juxtaposed in all 269 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: of this, No, I mean and and it's it is 270 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: the culture, right, it's the culture of fear, and it's 271 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: it's it's gotten so much worse in the past couple 272 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: of years, where you know, people will say, and you know, 273 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: get on a couple of fundraising emails from different sides 274 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: of the aisle um, you know, and and particularly I'm 275 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: a Democrat, but for quite a few Republican members of Congress, 276 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: if you get on their email lists, you will get 277 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: emails about how, you know, the socialists are taking over 278 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: the world, and you know the Democrats are all you know, 279 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: they want to take everything and they want to do 280 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: this and etcetera, which isn't true, you know. And I've 281 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: read the fundraising emails that were run sort of against 282 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: me in my last campaign by my opponent were comical. 283 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: Here I am a former CIA officer, a former federal agent, 284 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: endorsed by the Chamber of Commerce, you know, and like 285 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: the list goes on and on, and you would have 286 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: thought that, you know, I'm the Castro school of Communism. 287 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to give him the audio clip because 288 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: someone like sorry, but even the fact, even the fact 289 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: that you have to think like that, I don't want 290 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: to give him the audio clip. I mean, that's the 291 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: that's the culture. How ridiculous it is. And because there 292 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: will be like that will be there somewhere, and the 293 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: level of this honesty, like is is unthinkable and it's unproductive. 294 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: It is so unproductive. And you know what's what's really 295 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: challenging is it's made it so that we can't disagree anymore. 296 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: And you know, I have taken to saying with with 297 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: colleagues and in groups that I've talked to, you know, 298 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: the only place, seemingly in the world where we are 299 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: expected to have a dent um agreement in in our 300 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: opinions is now within the realm of politics, you know, 301 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 1: in my marriage, with my children, with my sisters, in 302 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: my prior workforces, like when I was a student, like 303 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: all of these places, is you expect disagreement and differences 304 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: of opinion, and typically that is supposed to, you know, 305 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: make things better or bring a broadened view, or challenge 306 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: your notions of what the world are, etcetera, etcetera, except 307 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: in politics. In politics, if you do not think in 308 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: a particular way, then the most kind of histrionic of 309 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: allegations are thrown at you. And yes, you know, there's 310 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: definitely places where some of my Republican colleagues disagree with me, 311 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: But holy smokes, that does not make me like a 312 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: threat to all that you know, to apple Pie and 313 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: you know, peanut Butter, I mean, Congresswoman, I mean, it's 314 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: it's a really good point. And and and let me 315 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: ask you a question about where we are today, because 316 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: there was life before last week, and then there's now 317 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: and and I get the impression that there's a lot 318 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: of retrospection going on in Congress, in the Senate, in 319 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: the House on some of these issues you just described. 320 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you really articulated well, that the morass we're 321 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: in as a pulse a political nation. And the question 322 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: I would ask is, do you see this horrible event 323 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: actually resulting in some positives in the tone and substance 324 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: of our political debates? So I mean, my answer is, 325 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: what's the alternative? Right? The alternative? If the answer to 326 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: that question is no, then the outcome is so horrific. 327 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: I refused to think about it. Um. I refused to 328 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: acknowledge that as a positive. That's powerful. So I'm going 329 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: to have to say, yes, we will come out of this, 330 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: but we will only come out of this if people 331 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: across the spectrum say, you know what this this is 332 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: a low point. This is a low point for our nation. 333 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: Um and And I you know, there are many people 334 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: who should demonstrate some level of contrition um And If 335 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: they choose to do so privately, that's fine. But what 336 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: I would like to see is, you know many of 337 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: my colleagues who are now saying, oh, we need unity, 338 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: and including those who didn't feel that unity was necess 339 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: Ferry and the hours following a siege upon the capitol, 340 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: uh and voted to UH not honor the election results 341 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: of Arizona and or Pennsylvania you know, those same individuals 342 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: now calling for unity. That's that's a little bit hard 343 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: for some of us to take when you know there 344 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: was literally still uh you know, it's blood on the 345 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: ground from where police officers have been beaten, and that 346 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: was not a time for unity, not a time for 347 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: moving on. And all of a sudden suddenly, you know, 348 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: now they've taken out, and you know what, I'm I'm 349 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: willing to some degree to accept that change of a 350 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: tune if there is some level of accountability, and you know, 351 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: I don't mean necessarily public shaming. What you know, in 352 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: different there's different circumstances, different scopes and levels of accountability 353 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: and culpability. But if people if there is a moment 354 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: where in their hearts they say, my god boy, all 355 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: those fundraising emails where I was saying that the world 356 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,719 Speaker 1: was coming to an end because democrats are terrible, and 357 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: now look there's literally threat stream of people who just 358 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: want to and I have to energy and vice versa, 359 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: and vice versa. Though I mean, and I think that's 360 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: you know, and we're clearly just only a couple less 361 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 1: than a week after. I am going to push back 362 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: on the both sides because you know, the most extremes 363 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: on you know, the concerns about giving like you know, 364 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: a lot of free stuff and this and that, Like 365 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: that's that's very different from the rhetoric of we're losing, 366 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: We're losing our country. You need to stop the demo. 367 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: So how do we get past that? Because when I 368 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: talk and I mean this from a very as a journalist, 369 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: when I talked to to senior staffage yesterday Congress and 370 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: Abigail Smanburger's with this Democrat from Virginia, what they said 371 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: is people are Kevin. People are calling us murderers. And 372 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: and these are low level staffers and from their perspective, 373 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: you know, they feel the same. Are they the same 374 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: passion that that you are are espousing that everyone's espousing 375 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: right now? I mean, I wonder are we past the 376 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: place where are you and your Republican colleagues can sit down, 377 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: leave the cameras away, and and actually have a conversation 378 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: like the one me, you and Rick Davis are having 379 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: right now broadcast out to many many more people. You know, 380 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: So this, I mean, this is this is something I 381 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: care deeply about. UM. I care deeply about by partisanships, UM. 382 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,719 Speaker 1: And and I'm a proud Democrat, UM, but I believe 383 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: that we make the best movement forward as a nation 384 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: when we endeavor to bring more people to the table. 385 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: It's a member. It's a reason why I've chosen to 386 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: be part of a group called the Problem Solvers Cacks 387 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: half Democrats have Republicans, you know, and and frankly, you know, 388 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: it's it's for those of us who really do prioritize 389 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: by partisanships. This has been a really tough time and 390 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: we've had really hard conversations with people. You know, we 391 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: I don't mind disagreeing over tax policy or prescription drug 392 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: pricing or you know, how we handle campaign finance reform, 393 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: but the very basics of kind of who we are 394 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: as a people. This is a This is a much harder, deeper, 395 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 1: more emotional, kind of gut place for us to be 396 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: having conversations and arguments. But I think it is more 397 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: important now than ever. Families are being torn apart because 398 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: of this, um. You know, so many of us has 399 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: family members and family schisms because of the angry rhetoric, 400 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: and so too. You know, there's well there's been bloodshed, right, 401 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: I mean, this is even we gotta leave it there unfortunately, 402 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: Connor Siman, Abigail span Burger, really appreciate your time, Democrat 403 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: from Virginia. Please come back on any time and hopefully, 404 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: hopefully in a couple of weeks we can talk about policy. 405 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: I really appreciate the time. Rick's gonna stay with me. 406 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin's really much more coming up. This is Bloomberg. 407 00:23:51,000 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: M HM. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin 408 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: Surley on Bloomberg Radio. I'm Kevin SURREALI Chief Washington correspondent 409 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. We're following multiple developments tonight, 410 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: this as the House gets set to impeach President Trump tomorrow. 411 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: But a major, major new development on the impeachment front, 412 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: and that is Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell reportedly via 413 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: The New York Times suggesting that he in fact is 414 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: happy with the vote that's happening tomorrow because it will 415 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: make it more difficult for President Trump to have grasp 416 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: over the Republican Party should he be convicted in trial 417 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: in the Senate. Rick Davis is with me partner at 418 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: stone Core Capital, former campaign manager for John McCain's two 419 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: thousand and eight presidential campaign. He's a Bloomberg Politics contributor 420 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: and Chuck roaches back, former senior advisor for Bernie Sanders 421 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: to twenty twenty and sixteen presidential campaign, author of the 422 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: book True t o Bernie, The Inside Story of How 423 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders Brought Latinos into the Political Revolution. Uh, Chuck, 424 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: welcome back. I mean you hear that Leader McConnell has 425 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: given at least reportedly behind the scenes endorsement. That's a 426 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: major development and would suggest that's similar to how House 427 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: Republicans will not be whipping the vote for Republicans in 428 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: order to prevent them from voting to impeach President Trump. 429 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: The leader McConnell essentially is telling Lisa Murkowski's Mitt Romney, 430 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: those are two off the top of my head, Susan Collins, 431 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: there's a third. Ben sass that he's okay if they 432 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: vote to convict. Yeah. And I was kind of shot 433 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: by that, but not shocked at the same time. You 434 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: kind of got to break this up and and you 435 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: and Rick both get this is that he has now 436 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: lost his majority. Bah, so it's tied. So it's as 437 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: close as it could ever be. And me, Chuck wrote 438 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: your political consultant. I don't lobby, I don't do public policy. 439 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: I run campaigns for a living and we worked on 440 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: a hundred campaigns last year in my firm. So we 441 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: get to see the nation from a broad spectrum. And 442 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: what the Senate majority leaders soon to be minority leader, 443 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: is looking at is a bunch of tough Senate races 444 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: in and how does he position himself and his senators 445 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: to win back his majority. And it could be in 446 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: a healthy way. So you have states like Wisconsin with Johnson, 447 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: you have an open seat in Pennsylvania is just starting 448 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: to sound like a battleground presidential thing to y'all. It should, Florida, Nevada, Arizona. 449 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: These are all places where he can win back his majority. 450 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: So this has a lot to do with that. If 451 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: you think Mitch McConnell gives a almost in a bad word, 452 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: you know what I can't get in trouble, go ahead. 453 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: He don't care at all about the House and crazy 454 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: folks over in the House that are you know, rot 455 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: wing ideal all crazy people. He cares about winning back 456 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: the Senate and in blue collar industrial states like Wisconsin 457 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: and Pennsylvania, and where he meets the Latino boat to 458 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: show up at the same level as they did for 459 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Florida do a little better in Arizona, Nevada. 460 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: That he's in the game. So that's what he's looking at. 461 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: In my humble political opinion. Well, Chuck, you mentioned Pennsylvania. 462 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: You knew I grew up outside of Philidelco. And tomorrow 463 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: we're gonna have Lieutenant Governor uh John fetterman on who 464 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: has announced that he is going to be running for 465 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: Senate in the battleground state of Pennsylvania as a Democrat. 466 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: So there's a make sure you do you listen to 467 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: that interview because he has really been trying to build 468 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: sort of a national profile. You come in here, Vic Davis, 469 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: I mean you hear that outline. Let me play for 470 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: you with sentiment already Leader Chuck Schumer had to say 471 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: the other Chuck Chuck roach Uh, let me let me 472 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: play for you what sentiment already. Leader Chuck Schumer had 473 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: to say, because you've got sound on this process and 474 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: how it's playing out here. He is Leader mc donald 475 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: has the ability to call us back into session and 476 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: we can then move to convict Donald Trump try on 477 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: the impeachment trial and try him, and that's what we 478 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: hope McConnell will do. Rick, I know you've got a 479 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: question for Chuck roached, but I mean to put it 480 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: this point. I think we hit this with Congressman Spanburger. 481 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: There's a process here and the narrative and the investigation. 482 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: Dare I say is very important here about how we 483 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: even got to the planning stages of what happened last week. Yeah, 484 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: I think that there's so much going on. I mean, 485 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: it's hard to deconstruct all these massive issues. Any given time, 486 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: this would one of these would dominate the entire news 487 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: cycle for weeks. But you have a lot of layers 488 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: of this and just unwrapped unwrapped some of that layer. 489 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: I think, what what what Chuck has said about Mitch 490 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: McConnell's motivations is spot on um. Mitch McConnell has a 491 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: party of one thing, power at GOP Democrat. Those things 492 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,719 Speaker 1: are nice labels, but what he cares about is if 493 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: he has the power, he can create change. He's very 494 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: proud of all the conservative judges that he put through 495 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: over the last you know, four years, and and and 496 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: he wants that power to do that again. And so 497 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: he is going to moderate his public statements to allow 498 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: a more aggressive campaign to be waged starting right now. 499 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: I mean, in two years, you're gonna have another election. 500 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: And that's where you see Mitch McConnell. What he has 501 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: said to date is that you know, the senate's out 502 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: and we're coming back on the nineteenth. He hasn't said 503 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: much about impeachment, although the reporting that you've just talked 504 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: about earlier in the show, uh indicates that, um, you know, 505 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: maybe he's got a soft spot in his heart for 506 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: impeachment nowadays. Well, that's it, I mean, does he have 507 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: the I mean because if he does convict President Trump 508 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: in an impeachment trial, you know this Vic Davis, partner 509 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: at Stone Core Capital, former campaign manager for John McCain's 510 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: presidential campaign, that means Donald Trump cannot run for office 511 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: A And is that is that the strategicy for lack 512 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: of a better word, for leader McConnell. In addition to 513 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: whatever concerns you might have, Well, I know there are 514 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: twenty Republicans eyeing the presidential race would really appreciate that. 515 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: And if they were all senators, they'd probably all vote 516 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: to convict um. But we can't. We can't predict that, 517 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: all right, that's that's a long way off. In the 518 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: political spectrum. One week is like an immense amount of activity. 519 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: You look what's going to happen tomorrow in the House 520 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: of Representatives. You know a week ago, we weren't even 521 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: talking about impeachment. I mean, this is moving so quickly 522 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: that it's hard for everybody, you know, forget the public, 523 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: hardened professional hacks like myself and Chuck are having a 524 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: hard time keeping up with this movement. And so I 525 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: do think I do think one of the questions I had, 526 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: because Chuck is such an expert, you know, on the 527 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: Hispanic vote and where that is, let's let's just take 528 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: a slice of this discussion and say, what's happening in 529 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: that community, because there was there was some soft spots 530 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: and there hearts for for Donald Trump in this last 531 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: election cycle, and how are they reacting to uh, this 532 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: current activity, because we don't get a good view in 533 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: there very often, and with Chuck here, I thought we'd 534 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: take an opportunity. Well, it's a great question, and thanks 535 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: for bringing that up. I think what we saw in 536 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: the last election, we're and this is not surprising to 537 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: operatives like Rick is that if you had almost a 538 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: state by state variable, And if another white person says 539 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: to me, Latinos on a monolith, I'm not knocking them 540 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: outside the head. But what I'm saying is is, of 541 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: course we're not a monolith. And you and Rick knows 542 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: that Cubans that are rested as Republicans act a lot 543 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: different than what Mexicans like me from Texas who are 544 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: from Northeast Texas, who think about things as a working class, 545 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: blue collar factory worker, which I'm all of those things. 546 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: And I sound like an old white man, and I 547 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: wear a cowboy hat and I wear boots. I sound 548 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: and talked like a white redneck from East Texas. And 549 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: when I vote, I vote a lot that way. And 550 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: that's just part of what Donald I'll figure it out. 551 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: And this was his secret sauce in winning way more 552 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: votes amongst Latinos in the border counties of Texas, and 553 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: how he did so much better in Miami day is 554 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: he spent some time and money to have a conversation. 555 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: I would disagree with some of his methods and him 556 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: leaving some of those folks to false narratives, but kudos 557 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: to him strategically for having a conversation with an electric 558 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: Many times my own party takes for granted well, and 559 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: I would say, can I be critical of the industry? 560 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: Am I allowed to do that with the microphone? I 561 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: would say, the media just so egregiously lumps everyone, no 562 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: matter what the area is as as a lump. Coming up, 563 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk much more with Chuck Roacha and Rick Davis, 564 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: and we're also going to discuss the security measures for 565 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: the inauguration because James Comey spoke to the Today Show 566 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie on NBC News and he had a lot 567 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: to say about it. And we've got the sound on it. 568 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin CURRELLI. This is Blueberth. You're listening to Bloomberg 569 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: Sound On with Kevin Shirley on Bloomberg Radio. I'm Kevin CURRELLI, 570 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. 571 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: Rick Davis is with me. Chuck Roaches with me as well. Rick, 572 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: of course, Bloomberg Politics contributor and the campaign manager for 573 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: John McCain's two thousand and eight presidential campaign. Chuck is 574 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: a senior advisor for Bernie Sanders presidential campaign for president 575 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: in sixteen. Name me another show, who could get the 576 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: top advisors for McCain and Bernie Sanders on together, breaking 577 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: news headlines crossing the Bloomberg terminal. Liz Cheney Liz Cheney 578 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: is going to vote to impeach President Trump, the third 579 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: highest sanking Republican official in the House of Representatives, coming 580 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: out with a blistering statement against President Trump. Quoting from 581 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: it quote. Much more will become clear in coming days 582 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: and weeks, but what we know now is enough. The 583 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, 584 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: and lit the flame of this attack. Everything that followed 585 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: was his doing. None of this would have happened without 586 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: the President. The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened 587 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 1: to stop the violence. He did not. There has never 588 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: been a greater betrayal by a President of the United 589 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: States of his office and his oath to the Constitution. 590 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: I will vote to impeach the President. End quote. That 591 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: again is a direct statement from Congresswoman Liz Cheney, a 592 00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: Republican from Wyoming, the third highest ranking official, the chairwoman 593 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: of the Republican Conference voting to impeach the president. Rick 594 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: Davis on the eve of the second impeachment vote, Kevin 595 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: is really fantastic reporting. I mean, this is this is 596 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: big news. As you mentioned, Uh. Congresswoman Cheney is the 597 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: third ranking Republican in the House of Representatives as the 598 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,240 Speaker 1: chairman of the House Conference. She's a nationally known figure 599 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: because of being the daughter of the George Bush's Vice President, 600 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: Dick Cheney, and she's been an outspoken conservative, so she 601 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: she carries some weight in the Republican community. And for 602 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: her to come out with this definitive Sherman has statement 603 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: about the president's conduct. Uh, And I think it's it's 604 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: key to focus on the fact that she attributes the 605 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,280 Speaker 1: summonsing of the mob and the assembling of the mob 606 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: and the flaming the attack is roles he played. We 607 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: we we've right now thought of President Trump's conductor is 608 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: being he showed up at the event, he fired up 609 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: the crowd, and he sent him to Capitol Hill to 610 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: do damage. And and now in her statement indicates he 611 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: might have had much deeper involvement in in in the 612 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: organizing and execution of this and if that's the case, 613 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: it will only include it will only create more impetus 614 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: toward U Republicans voting for impeachment in the House and 615 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: more pressure on Mitch McConnell to bring impeachment to the Senate. 616 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: Based upon my own reporting, I spoke with one source 617 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: who told me that Rudy Giuliani has summoned his former 618 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: chief of staff from his time in the New York 619 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: Mayor's office to Washington, d C. As they go over 620 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: what they feel is intense, to put it, mildly, legal 621 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: scrutiny that they will face not just in the Washington 622 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: d C. District level courts, but also in battleground states Michigan, Wisconsin, 623 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: and yes, Pennsylvania. Will be asking that tomorrow to John Fetterman, Democrat, 624 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,919 Speaker 1: lieutenant governor of the state when he joins me Chuck 625 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: roach up. Do you a former senior advisor to Bernie Sanders, 626 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: do you agree with Congressman Liz Cheney. Of course I do, 627 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: and I appreciate her, uh getting out there because back 628 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: to politics, away from this public policy things. But ms 629 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: Cheney would love to be the first Republican woman Speaker 630 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: of the House. And how do you distinguish yourself against 631 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of other white dudes that are conservatives, that 632 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: are crazy Trumpers. Is you go out there and do 633 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: something to stand on something that's gonna make you different 634 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: than them, and you believe in it and it is 635 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: very powerful, right, So what's gonna happen? And I don't 636 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: want to act like I'm an expert in Republican politics, 637 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 1: so that somebody is gonna make a lot of TV 638 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: commercials that shows what happened on Tuesday to get Democrats 639 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: elected to Congress in two years. I'm telling you that 640 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: half of that caucus is going to be lined up 641 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: with Trump because they don't want Trump wanting somebody against 642 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,919 Speaker 1: them in the primary, and the other ones are gonna 643 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: be on the List Cheney side, and they have a 644 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: really good shot. Again, this is the democratic, progressive, left 645 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: wing Mexican red that giving you this predict. There is 646 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: a chance and a good chance that Republicans can pick 647 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: up the House majority in an off here where Democrats 648 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: control the White House. Well, when they're looking for a 649 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: leader to be their speaker, who's just distinguished themselves in 650 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: a caucus, if big, if if she wins enough seats 651 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: under that banner, and the Trumpers don't win a bunch 652 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,280 Speaker 1: of primaries and they have the majority in that caucus 653 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 1: at least, she's positioned herself as a fifty shot to 654 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: take that mantle, which is huge for her. Chuck and 655 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: I say this respectfully. How how hampered is President Donald 656 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: Trump beyond uh when he when he leaves office with 657 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: regards to Fox News is at the Murdochs have criticized him. 658 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: Twitter has deactivated his account. How much of a viable 659 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: fundraising person is he? Has he been hindered by those 660 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: actions that I just laid out. Let me say two things. 661 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: One is, let's separate two things. He has not been 662 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: hindered when it comes to his impact and president I 663 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: mean not presidential, but in primaries and off your election 664 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: because he will still have the influences there. His son 665 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: can still tweet, there's other way for him to get 666 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: his message out there, and so he has a way 667 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: more away more. He has a bigger impact in that 668 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: primary election where the electorate is smaller, they're more rapid 669 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: or a rabid rapid around his ideological thinking. Now, when 670 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: you get to a general election, he still has some 671 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: impact district by district, but if you just look at 672 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: the marginal seats where the Republicans can win back the House, 673 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: he won't have as much influence as he will in 674 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: a primary where he would have a mins influence. VIC 675 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: you agree with that, Yeah, I think so. I mean, 676 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: obviously he's he's exerted his primary influence, you know, where 677 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: smaller groups of voters, you know, homogeneously Republicans vote to 678 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: elect somebody UH to carry their banner in the general election. 679 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: I would say, I'm not sure I give him too 680 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: much credit for a general I mean, he we just 681 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: saw his impact on a general election. Both Republicans from 682 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: Georgia should have probably won reelection in a pretty solidly 683 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,760 Speaker 1: Republican state in the past, and and it was Donald 684 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,240 Speaker 1: Trump's conduct in the last sixty days of that election 685 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,959 Speaker 1: that that drove voters to the Democratic side. And when 686 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: you sign up for the Trump bandwagon in a primary, 687 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: you're stuck with him in the general. And that has 688 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: become more common knowledge. That's become now the philosophy that 689 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,760 Speaker 1: you're you're really damned if you do and you're damned 690 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: if you don't. And so I do think what Chuck 691 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: is pointing out, which is Republican leadership UH in the 692 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,479 Speaker 1: House are looking to the future and trying to figure 693 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: out how to dislocate themselves from Donald Trump in an 694 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 1: effort to try and one get stronger candidates in the 695 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: primary and to ensure that they have the best message 696 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,280 Speaker 1: in the general election. I mean, you'll notice that even 697 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: the Minority Leader, Kevin McCarthy has told Republicans lightless, Janney, 698 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: do what you want to do on this thing of impeachment. 699 00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: You know, go your own way. And this is a 700 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 1: guy who savagely disciplined Republicans in the House to do 701 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: whatever Donald Trump told him to do. Well, I think 702 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: that's a great point. And for folks following along with us. 703 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,919 Speaker 1: I mean, we're on our Bloomberg Terminal ib show chat 704 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,359 Speaker 1: and one of our producers, Matt Shirley, just said, you know, 705 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,479 Speaker 1: this is process wise fascinating. The decision by Representative Kevin 706 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: McCarthy of California, the minority leader, to not officially lean 707 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: on lawmakers to vote against the move, constituted a subtle 708 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: shift away from the president by a close ally. In 709 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: the past and including the last time President Trump was 710 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 1: impeached by the House, McCarthy and House leaders lobbied Republicans 711 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,720 Speaker 1: intensely to stand behind President Trump on nearly every issue. 712 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: It's a fascinating development. Again, if you're just joining us. 713 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: The number three of Republican in the House of Representatives, 714 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,720 Speaker 1: the chair of the House Republican Republican Committee, Liz Cheney, 715 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: has said that she will vote to impeach the president. 716 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: I do want to hit this other development about security 717 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 1: on an auguration. I know it's on the minds of 718 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,280 Speaker 1: millions of Americans and many in this nation's capital. Tonight. 719 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: James Comey spoke to NBC's The Today Show earlier today 720 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: to Savant and gut three. I've got sound on what 721 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: he had to say about whether or not state capitals 722 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: have the ability to protect themselves. Take a lesson, well, 723 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: law enforcement definitely can handle these kinds of riots, attacks, 724 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: and civil disturbances if they have the information they need 725 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: and they prepare. This is something law enforcement was built for. Again, 726 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,279 Speaker 1: what's so painful about the capital is the lack of preparation, 727 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: but adequately prepared that fifty states can secure their capitals 728 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 1: and the United States can secure its capital very quickly. 729 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 1: Final word, Chuck Roacha as well as Rick Davis in 730 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,839 Speaker 1: like ten seconds. I mean, are you confident that that 731 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: law enforcement understands the severity of the threat coming next 732 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 1: week and that they can handle it. Chuck blocks behind 733 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 1: the US Capital, and I left three blocks from the 734 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,320 Speaker 1: National Armory, and I'll run every morning bout that armory. 735 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: And if you've seen the change over there in the 736 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: last week, of the weapons that they have stacked up 737 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 1: over there, they're expecting something and it makes me really nervous. Yeah, 738 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 1: well said, But I worry about state capitals. I think 739 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: everyone's now focused on the US Capital, but the attacks 740 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 1: are also planned at the state capitols. And so I 741 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: hope that state law enforcement takes us seriously. I hope, 742 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: and I pray. My thanks to Chuck Roache, my thanks 743 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: to Rick Davis, and my thanks to you for listening. 744 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: Download the Bloomberg Sound on podcast on Apple iTunes, at 745 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. 746 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 1: You can also find me on Radio dot com, I 747 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, and Spotify. Tomorrow, we've got Lieutenant Governor John 748 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: Fetterman and Rick Davis, Pennsylvania politics at the forefront, at 749 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: the forefront wreck. Yeah, it'll be exciting. This is a 750 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 1: wonderful time to be talking about what's happening in Pennsylvania. 751 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: It's a key place in the country. Needs Pennsylvania to 752 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 1: be stable. And I go back to the notion of 753 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: whether or not what he can tell us about legal 754 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: lawsuits in these battleground states. Who are really going to 755 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: be investigating into those who perpetuated the myth conspiracy UH 756 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,800 Speaker 1: and peddled it, and the again the what evidence is 757 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: submitted for the record, and what we know about how 758 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: we got here so we never get there again. Thanks 759 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,280 Speaker 1: for listening. This is Limberg