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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, here are my dates for the High and

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Speaker 1: Mighty Tour.

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Speaker 2: In June, I will be in Hyannas, Massachusetts, and then

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Speaker 2: two shows in Nantucket. In August, you can find me

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Speaker 2: in Red Bank, New Jersey, Montclair, New Jersey, and Calgary.

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Speaker 1: That's Canada.

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Speaker 2: And September I will be in Santa Barbara, San Diego,

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Speaker 2: New York City, Philly, and New Haven, Connecticut. October is Atlanta, Baltimore, Saginaw, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Boise, Idaho,

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Speaker 2: and Spokane. And then in November I'll be in San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: I'm coming to Salt Lake City, Austin, Houston, Dallas Babies,

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Speaker 2: I'll be there. And then in December I am closing

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Speaker 2: out my tour in Denver and Vancouver. So get your

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Speaker 2: tickets at Chelseahandler dot com for the High and Mighty Tour.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Hi, Hi, Hi, how's it going? Oh?

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Speaker 3: It's going great, Chelsea. My in laws were here this

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Speaker 3: last weekend.

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Speaker 1: How did that work out?

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Speaker 4: I know that.

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Speaker 1: How did your jury duty work out?

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Speaker 5: Bron It was an adventure?

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Speaker 1: Really?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Did you solve and murder?

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Speaker 4: I know I didn't. I uh, it was an indecent

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Speaker 4: exposure case and the guy was pretty creepy. So I

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Speaker 4: got myself excused, you did, yeah?

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Basically he told him like, I can't be impartial. Well,

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Speaker 3: also because our brother in law is a prosecutor for

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Speaker 3: exactly that type of person.

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Speaker 1: But why couldn't you impartial?

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Speaker 2: Who's going to be impartial about like indecent exposure?

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Speaker 1: Who's impartial about that?

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Speaker 3: And I thought it was so interesting because Brad said,

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Speaker 3: there are.

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Speaker 1: A group of people that want that to happen.

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Speaker 3: No, but I guess it was like a misdemeanor and

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Speaker 3: the guy was already in a jumpsuit, So Brad said,

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Speaker 3: because of our brother in law, he already knew that,

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Speaker 3: like he was a repeat offender.

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Speaker 6: So it's like you.

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Speaker 1: Knew inside scoop, Yeah, inside scoop. I see, I see,

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Speaker 1: I see yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think the uh, the lawyers were allowed to get

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Speaker 4: I don't know, man, Even the defense attorney was pretty creepy.

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Speaker 4: So I just kind of made it clear that I

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Speaker 4: wasn't going to be very useful as a juror and

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to be here with my family.

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Speaker 5: Got here.

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Speaker 3: This was such a crazy thing. So the last day,

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Speaker 3: my little fifteen year old niece and my mother in

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Speaker 3: law is there, and she was like, you know, I've

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Speaker 3: always loved the look of a nose ring, like a

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Speaker 3: little sparkle, little something. And she's got like cute, little

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Speaker 3: petit features. And we were like, girl, you got one

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Speaker 3: life to live, Like, let's do this if you really

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Speaker 3: want one. She was like really, So she's seventy years old,

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Speaker 3: almost seventy years ol, almost seventy years old, and we

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Speaker 3: took her to get a nose a nose ring, and

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Speaker 3: it looks fabulous on her. And she was like, I

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Speaker 3: never had girlfriends to like support me in doing something

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Speaker 3: like this. I'm so excited. So it was a very

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Speaker 3: exciting and thrilling time.

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Speaker 1: All that is just adorable nose rings for everyone. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't mind a nose ring, although I don't want to

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Speaker 1: get my nose pierced. Yeah, I don't want to go

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Speaker 1: through the pain of it.

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Speaker 3: You just get a faky, just get a little just

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Speaker 1: Our guest today is very entertaining.

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Speaker 2: She is a media mogul, actress, producer, entrepreneur, and one

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Speaker 2: of the most visible and influential transgender voices in entertainment.

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Speaker 2: You can find her on her podcast It's called Outlaws,

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Speaker 2: or as a judge on RuPaul's Drave Grace.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome. T. S.

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Speaker 7: Madison, My manager has a child like she has she

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Speaker 7: got she has a black man and white when she.

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Speaker 5: Okay, do you do this? Chelsea? Do you do you

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Speaker 5: wipe his ass?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I've ever wiped anyone's house.

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Speaker 5: But we're gonna have it, can we wonder?

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Speaker 1: I wonder?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Of course, what do you mean America and six all

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Speaker 2: rules have gone out the fucking window.

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Speaker 5: Yes we can.

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Speaker 1: What's happening in this world?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pursing, that's the least of anybody's girl.

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Speaker 5: I want to talk about the rolls. How you pulled

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Speaker 5: him together?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it. We'll do it all. Let's wait,

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Speaker 2: just let's talk about it. No problem, are we?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 1: TS Madison is in the house.

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Speaker 7: Giant, and get my phone over there because I wanted to.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Catherine. We didn't officially meet. I'm Catherine Catherine Chancellor.

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Speaker 2: I'm Chancellor, Catherine Chancellor, and she's Catherine Catherine Chelsea Catherine

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Speaker 2: and TS Madison.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, bab yes, yes, so, oh my god, I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: Welcome.

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Speaker 5: You look ravishing well, I like to get ravish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're very voluptuous and I like your body type.

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Speaker 2: And guess what we're allowed to say ship like that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because all the rules are out the fucking eard

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Speaker 1: of the window.

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Speaker 7: You see, this motherfucker is really up here changing the constitution,

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Speaker 7: doing whatever the fuck they want to do.

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Speaker 5: It, right, So then I'm going to what.

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Speaker 1: We want to exactly exactly.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you have some updates that I'd like

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Speaker 2: to announce to our audience and are very exciting. This month,

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Speaker 2: you received the Miss Major's Pioneer of the Year Award

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Speaker 2: at the BT Black and Iconic Soire, named for legendary

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Speaker 2: transactivist Miss Major Griffin Gracie. So congratulations on that award,

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Speaker 2: well deserved, thank you. And then you also took the

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Speaker 2: first homes you ever purchased in Atlanta and transformed it

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Speaker 2: into the TS Madison Starter House, which is a safe

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Speaker 2: entry housing program yes per formerly incarcerated black trans women and.

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Speaker 5: Ex prostitutes prostitutes.

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Speaker 7: Because you got to understand, like I was that like

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Speaker 7: with all these accolades and stuff, that you may read

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Speaker 7: about me. I never shy away from my past because

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Speaker 7: the moment you start shying away from your past, and

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Speaker 7: when we'd be like, oh oh I got her. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 7: you sucked a dick on the corner. Remember you did that?

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Speaker 7: Uh yeah, I wrote about it in.

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Speaker 1: A book exactly, exactly, Yeah I did. That's like me,

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Speaker 1: I announced all my shit.

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Speaker 2: So when then when they try to come at me

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Speaker 2: and it's like, hey, buddy, I already talked about this

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Speaker 2: in the New York Times.

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Speaker 1: You fucking lose.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, motherfucking asshole, bitch, Yeah I did, I did it. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: So what are we doing now?

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about that. Let's talk about your past. Let's

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Speaker 2: talk about Let's start with your childhood. Okay, I want

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Speaker 2: to know when you what age were you when you

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Speaker 7: I am forty I'll be forty nine in October. I

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Speaker 7: remember in nineteen ninety two, I saw the Crying Game.

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Speaker 7: Deal a deal, the character deal. So it was the

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Speaker 7: Crying Game. And it's when I first figured out because

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Speaker 7: I had saw RuPaul. Yeah you know ru Paul is

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Speaker 7: you know which I'm a judge on RuPaul's drag race.

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Speaker 7: But I saw RuPaul and I knew that RuPaul put

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Speaker 5: Took it off. I couldn't take me off, you know

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Speaker 7: And so I saw the Crying Game, and like the

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Speaker 7: that's me, really, because I don't here's the thing I am.

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Speaker 7: I the only time that I really ever struggled with

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Speaker 7: I grew up in the church, and so you know,

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Speaker 7: growing up in the church, you know every everything's going

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Speaker 7: I got baptized.

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Speaker 7: I found Christ in the pulpit of the church, and

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Speaker 5: So I led my mom to Christ.

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Speaker 5: No, she didn't leave me.

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Speaker 7: I led her to Christ. And then then then after

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Speaker 7: So I got baptized first time I got baptized, girl

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Speaker 7: Afterwards, like after after I was baptized, and they took

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Speaker 7: They took us in the back, and like we know,

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Speaker 5: Was like, oh, my penis got it read? But I

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Speaker 7: my dick got hard, okay, and so then later on it.

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Speaker 1: Was not the first time you ever experienced an direction.

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Speaker 7: You know what, come to think about it, probably probably Wow,

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Speaker 7: nobody ever asked me that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I wonder how many people did experience their first

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Speaker 5: Or maybe it was because I was in a room

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Speaker 5: full of dicks.

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Speaker 1: I don't that's what I mean. You're with other men, right,

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Speaker 1: and then you have your penis. I don't know, you're nobody,

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Speaker 1: you know, nobody ever asked me that.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: That's making me think like, yeah, yeah, it's making me think, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Like what.

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Speaker 7: So after that, I you know, I'm growing up going

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Speaker 5: No, so of course it's it's you.

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Speaker 7: You You suppress whatever feelings and things that you have,

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Speaker 2: Like what what can you think of something that's gotten

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Speaker 1: What happened with y'all?

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Speaker 7: Because it was some ship that happened with me and

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 7: The way that they twisted my words was, you know,

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Speaker 5: Like that I said that when that's not what I said.

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Speaker 5: Like she's me and that girl don't even look alike.

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Speaker 2: But that's true for everybody, regardless of you know, our

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Speaker 5: Don't?

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Speaker 7: I was always still got it, honey, you know, And

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Speaker 7: make the long story short, you know, he was he

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00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 7: wanted me to get totally naked, and so I didn't

446
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 7: tell him at the time that I was had a dick,

447
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 7: you know. But he was like, bitch, you're early in

448
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 7: your transition.

449
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 1: Girl.

450
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:19,439
Speaker 7: I know you got a dick, but you know I'm

451
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 7: gonna play stupid with you like a lot of men do.

452
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 7: So trans girls out there stopped playing those games. There

453
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 7: are a lot of men that play stupid.

454
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 5: With you, girl.

455
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 7: They know you have or have had a dick. But anyway,

456
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,360
Speaker 7: so he was like, get naked. So when I got

457
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 7: all the way naked and I had my hands in

458
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 7: the front of my private like that, and he was saying, like,

459
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 7: you know, move your hand, let me see.

460
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 5: So I moved my hand and it flopped and he

461
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 5: was like, oh my god, you're so beautiful.

462
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:53,360
Speaker 7: After that, like after our sexual experience, I never thought

463
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 7: about having another sex change until recently. Until recently when

464
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 7: Trump got in office and I said, maybe I might

465
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 7: need to do this to protect myself from whatever's coming.

466
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 7: Maybe I might need to do because I can I

467
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 7: can pass. And I was like, well, maybe I could

468
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 7: just but then I'm like, we'll beat your tears, Madison.

469
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 7: So even if you got a pussy, they know you

470
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 7: didn't have one before if somebody spot you, so you know,

471
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 7: like these were thoughts are going through my head, But

472
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 7: but I don't have those thoughts.

473
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Speaker 1: Right.

474
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 2: You feel settled, good, You're good, and you're going to

475
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 2: keep your penis.

476
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm keeping it.

477
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: Okay, good for you.

478
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 2: I'm top on your penis, ready to go keeping my baby?

479
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 1: What is it? Okay? So there's a phrase.

480
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 2: For men we were talking about that, Yeah, only date

481
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 2: are there is there's a thing like gay.

482
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Speaker 3: Men, and there's street men. But is there a word

483
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Speaker 3: for men.

484
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: Who only date trans women?

485
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 8: Yeah?

486
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,239
Speaker 1: Because but is then that is that then a fetish if?

487
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 3: Like a chaser chaser?

488
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 7: Yep, we call them in our community, we do call

489
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 7: them training chasers, but which we just we can't really use.

490
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 5: But you know that I'm not offended by the word.

491
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 7: But but just because I'm not offended doesn't mean that

492
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 7: somebody else is not offended.

493
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 5: So let me retract that.

494
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 7: Because t is Mads and you have a responsibility to

495
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 7: know that this is a large platform.

496
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Speaker 5: You got to behave.

497
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Speaker 7: We call them the T word chasers. But there is

498
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Speaker 7: a term, the new term that these the girls have

499
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Speaker 7: come up with that describe men that have an attraction

500
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Speaker 7: to trans women only.

501
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: And do you like that.

502
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 5: At this big age? I like a man that's attracted

503
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Speaker 5: to me.

504
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

505
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: I find that people who are only attracted to one

506
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 2: very specific type of person to be that. I find

507
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 2: that always to be a little bit off putting. It's

508
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: like women who only date a certain type of man,

509
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 2: or men who only date a certain type of woman

510
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 2: or eth They're seeking the type and not as a person.

511
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, so it feels crazy, especially being that

512
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 5: I am a well endo out girl.

513
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 7: There are men because I did get into the porn

514
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 7: industry and ship like that and I did, God, I

515
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 7: did so much shit.

516
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: You did a lot of sex work, right.

517
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 4: I did?

518
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 5: I did?

519
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: How long did you do that for.

520
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 5: A decade and a half.

521
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 2: What was your experience and what is your takeaway now

522
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: that you're so far out of it.

523
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 7: My experience was I reshaped culture with it because I'm

524
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,479
Speaker 7: a black girl that was that cornered the market and

525
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 7: during the time of my when I emerged, I emerged

526
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 7: on the scene when there was there was. It was

527
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 7: like a niche market, and I made sure that I

528
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 7: capitalized off of me being voluptuous and hood and business.

529
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 5: Savvy, all wrapped in the same cloth.

530
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 7: And then told the other big name companies like who

531
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 7: I'm friends with now, So if y'all watch this, we're

532
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 7: friends like Grooby and Bob's t girls like a lot

533
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 7: of these tea girl places. I told them they couldn't

534
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 7: have me. You can't have me, bitch, because I'm motherfucking

535
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 7: ts Mathison, I'm big dig bitch dot com.

536
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 5: You can't have me.

537
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 7: You can't have me because I understand that my black

538
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 7: skin is powerful. I understand that my BBC is powerful,

539
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 7: and I understand that I know how to control that

540
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 7: without having a machine control me. So I took ownership

541
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 7: of that and I made all the money without removed

542
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 7: the middleman. I made all the money nice, yeah, And

543
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 7: I didn't need them to do any other things.

544
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 5: And so you know what I did, though, was I did.

545
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 7: Lots of videos, lots of raunch like, lots of little

546
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 7: things that changed the way men saw trans women. There

547
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 7: is a lot of stuff that I don't regret it,

548
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 7: or maybe I do do.

549
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: I I don't know. Let's find out.

550
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 7: When I'm approached by men now, a lot of them

551
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 7: be like, oh my god, I wanted to fuck you

552
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 7: since I was fifteen, or like I've been watching you

553
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 7: since I was fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, like you were my

554
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 7: first trance I ever saw. I was like, oh shit,

555
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 7: or we'll be out somewhere. And then women, women, women

556
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 7: like you got a big dick.

557
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 5: I seen it.

558
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 7: I was like, girl, like, we were at the Emmys

559
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 7: and this lady ran me down outside and she was

560
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 7: a fucking homeless lady and she ran me down, and

561
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 7: she's like, tests I want to take a picture. When

562
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 7: you can I take a picture. I was like, yeah,

563
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 7: come on, stop, I'm hugging him. And she was like,

564
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 7: I've been I'm a big fan of yours. And when

565
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 7: people said me that, I don't know what era there,

566
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 7: I don't know what era, but I started to get nervous.

567
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 5: And she was like, girl, you got a big dick.

568
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 7: I said, oh Jesus Christ, you're from that era. You're

569
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 7: from that era. Okay, she says, but I've been watching someone.

570
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 7: She says, I love the way that you've your trajectory.

571
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 5: I just love it.

572
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 7: But you still got that big old dick, don't you.

573
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 7: And I'm like, girl, why are you asking me this?

574
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 7: At the Emmys and then I meet people.

575
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 5: Jerry O'Connell is my good friend.

576
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: I love Jerry.

577
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 5: That's that's my I love.

578
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: He's a real hot mess.

579
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 5: Yeah he is.

580
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: I like that.

581
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 7: I love Jerry. And so Jerry and I were we

582
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 7: did an episode of let Me Pick You Up on

583
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 7: the World of Wonder creator for me, and we were

584
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 7: in the car and I was saying all kind of

585
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 7: crazy ship to Jerry or whatever, and I said, Jerry,

586
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 7: where's the first time that you saw me? And it

587
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 7: was so funny. He said, I found you online.

588
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 5: And listen. I didn't even dig.

589
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: Shit.

590
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 5: I didn't dig for nothing or whatever.

591
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 7: And I was like, because you know he he's married

592
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 7: to Rebecca And I was like, so, uh, well, what

593
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 7: did Because we worked Jerry myself and Rebecca worked on

594
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 7: a show called Gave Her Play with RuPaul, and he

595
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 7: chose me as his partner what you call a partner.

596
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 7: And I was like, well, you tell Rebecca that you

597
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 7: they would do my homeboy.

598
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 5: You know, I ain't trying to own you know. It

599
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 5: was just a joke.

600
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 7: People from all walks of life, and it's just like

601
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 7: there are times that I'm.

602
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 5: Like, fuck, why did I do those little videos? What

603
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 5: catapaulted me?

604
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: But why would you regret that?

605
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 7: You know, when you get to a certain place you

606
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 7: don't want people to really see you.

607
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 5: It's just because sometimes they can't. They can't let that go.

608
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: But that's also a rasure in a sense, like you're

609
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: erasing the person that helped you evolve to become the

610
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: person that you are.

611
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: So we can all look back at parts of our past.

612
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: That maybe we're not so proud of or that isn't

613
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 2: representative of who we are today, but that doesn't negate

614
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: that that's part of who brought us to where we are.

615
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: I would argue that it's very important to think of

616
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: our past as things that we wouldn't want to take back.

617
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: It's like it's like a formula to become who you

618
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Speaker 1: are today.

619
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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't. I don't.

620
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Speaker 7: If I had the chance to do it all again,

621
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 7: I would probably tweak it, but do it.

622
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 4: Well.

623
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: If we would all fucking tweak it, maybe I would

624
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: tweet it all the tweaking.

625
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 5: I say, I would eat rice it.

626
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 7: I would tweak it a little bit, but you know

627
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 7: what I'm saying, I'd be like, oh shit, you know,

628
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 7: especially knowing what I know now.

629
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 5: But it's just sometimes it gets weird.

630
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 7: It feels weird, like sometimes like when I'm like, if

631
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 7: I'm at a gathering and a guy, it's like, oh god,

632
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 7: I just want to suck your fucking dick, and I'm like, here, like,

633
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 7: or did Timmy I remember this video? You was th

634
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 7: state I remember video. I don't want to talk about

635
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 7: that here?

636
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, like I got it.

637
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 5: I don't want to do that here.

638
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: Well, if it makes you feel any better, I have

639
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: dms telling me the same things all day long.

640
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: I just posted a carousel.

641
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: Of dms of men telling me how much pussy they

642
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: want to look of mine and eat me from the back.

643
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: These are men I've never met before. So I feel

644
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: like men in general, okay, just are having they feel

645
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: comfortable saying these things to women anywhere, anytime, any place.

646
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: And again, I really don't think that's on you. Okay, good,

647
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: why would you bring that up at the end?

648
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: That's on you too.

649
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 7: Well, the lady told me that is the women. Well,

650
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 7: so because women want to fuck me too, and that's okay.

651
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. So it's like I've been

652
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 7: approached by women men, other fucking trans women.

653
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: But you're only into men, right, Yeah, you're intimate. Do

654
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: you have a boyfriend, like a serious person in your life.

655
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 5: I'm very into freedom now.

656
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I used to want to be, but no.

657
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 5: I me into freedom.

658
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 7: I feel like that everybody should know that I'm a

659
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 7: whore when I want to be, and then when I

660
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 7: want to be cuddled that I chose you to cuddle with.

661
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: And can I ask you? So this is a crude question,

662
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: so I love it. So do you like to be

663
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: penetrated and to penetrate?

664
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 5: Oh? Thank you for asking me this, Chelsea. Now I

665
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 5: can explain.

666
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: I know our listeners are.

667
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 5: I can explain.

668
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 7: For my freakoffs, I'm open if he if I'm a mattress,

669
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 7: I will flip over.

670
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 5: I'm a pancake.

671
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 7: Pancake me, motherfucker, I will flip over, flip me. But

672
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 7: that Puerto Rican God did that to me. That's that's

673
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 7: why that I got into the flipping, because at one

674
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 7: point I was like, oh, don't do that, you know,

675
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 7: and then the Puerto Rican got that that told you

676
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 7: was like, girl, you're beautiful, you dad, And he got

677
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 7: on it and rode that ship like a fucking.

678
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 5: Cowboy, right, and you liked I like that, but you know,

679
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 5: but that was a freak off.

680
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 7: Now a gentleman, and this is this is problem So

681
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 7: I'm telling y'all now, I'm looking in your eyes to

682
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 7: tell y'all what I'm getting ready to say is problematic.

683
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 7: So don't get into comments and don't go doing all

684
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 7: these dissertations about this shit. It's problematic what I'm getting

685
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 7: ready to say. That's my disclaimer.

686
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 5: For my personal.

687
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 7: I like my man to fuck me to death, and

688
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 7: I don't need him to be into my penis. I

689
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 7: just need him to understand that it's there, you know.

690
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 7: I don't need you to be into it. He don't

691
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 7: got to touch it, he don't got to suck. Now,

692
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 7: if he suck it, that's I'm alright with that. Now,

693
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 7: if he starts bending over for me to fuck him,

694
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 7: now we're in the freak sessions.

695
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: Now, oh okay, got it?

696
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 5: And now, like you, I don't. I don't want you to.

697
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 7: I don't want to be your girl because now you

698
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 7: want me to fuck you in the ass, which I will.

699
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 7: I'm not asphobic. I will hit that, but I'm not

700
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 7: gonna marry that.

701
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: It feels like the world is your That's why I

702
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: feel so many Really, it really kind of this is

703
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: very illuminating, and I really appreciate your candor because having

704
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: to ask you to explain this kind of feels like annoying.

705
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: It's kind of like having to ask a black person

706
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: to explain racism, and I don't want to put that

707
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: on you. So I really appreciate you your openness and

708
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: explaining your personal experience because I know there's a lot

709
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: of people listening that feel like you have to choose

710
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: one bucket or the other bucket.

711
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: And even in the trans community, it's like you.

712
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: Have to be a full woman or you have to

713
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: have bottom surgery or top surgery.

714
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: So I think this is a very.

715
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 7: I don't want to do it. I don't want to

716
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 7: adhere to any rules and regulations. I don't want to

717
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 7: do it. I had to do it as a kid.

718
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 7: I had to, you know, you got to do it

719
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 7: in the church, you got to do it over Here's like, God,

720
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 7: damn it. I just want to be free.

721
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: Do you feel free?

722
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 5: I do, Yeah.

723
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 7: I don't feel bound to anything. I don't and I'm

724
00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 7: never gonna let anything bind me ever again, Like you're

725
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 7: not gonna tell me, well, I'm not a real this

726
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 7: because of the no, bitch, I'm real, because this is

727
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 7: I said, I'm real. You're not gonna tell me that

728
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 7: I need to have this in order to know I don't.

729
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, like to be complete? You come,

730
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 7: I'm complete. I complete me. You know it took a

731
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 7: while because you're over there like shit, like, oh my god,

732
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 7: well you know, And this is why I don't surround

733
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 7: myself with people.

734
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 5: Who are incomplete.

735
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 7: I don't surround myself when people are incomplete because they

736
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 7: can influence you.

737
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 5: When like even after.

738
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 7: You've got your first surgery, you know what if I

739
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 7: would have if I'd have pinched my nose just a

740
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 7: little bit more. If that's why my ass is so

741
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 7: fucking big and my hips are so big, because I

742
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 7: was walking the streets back in the day and it

743
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 7: was like the bigger your body is, the more cars

744
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 7: you'll stop. And it's just like now you're competing with

745
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 7: all the girls who you know what I'm saying, who, Well,

746
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 7: her ass is bigger, so you got to go bigger

747
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 7: than her. Her tit is a bigger or her nose

748
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 7: is smaller, so that makes her look really like bitch,

749
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 7: you got to get to some point where you're satisfied

750
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 7: with with you.

751
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 5: And that's why.

752
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 7: I'm open about me talking about my bottom, because you

753
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 7: know now that there are some girls that will not,

754
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 7: and that's them, and that's okay. I'm comfortable with however

755
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 7: it feels. Because I'm comfort I'm totally complete with me.

756
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 7: So I talk about my bottom, and I talk about

757
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 7: that not to lots of females like to tell me, bitch,

758
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 7: you'll never be a woman because you'll never have a pussy.

759
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 7: You're mad at me because I have a real pussy.

760
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 7: You want to have a real pussy. And I always

761
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 7: explain to them, well, I name myself big dick bitch

762
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 7: because I don't want to have a pussy, and I'm

763
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 7: okay with me having a and I am still she

764
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 7: her and hers, and I'm cool with that, and I'm

765
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,959
Speaker 7: cool with what likes me. I am fine with what's

766
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 7: attracted to me. Ninety nine point percent of gay men

767
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 7: are not attracted to me because my presentation is women.

768
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 7: You don't see this until the panties come down. Sometimes

769
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 7: when the panties are down, there are men that's like, no,

770
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 7: I don't want that. I want the presentation. It's okay

771
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 7: that it's there, but I don't want that. So that's

772
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 7: just how it works. I'm still she to him where

773
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 7: people will say, well, you're not a she until this

774
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 7: is gone. Now, I'm a she here, I'm a her here.

775
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 7: I'm also a her here because when it's being played

776
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 7: a toy around with, I call it a shenis s

777
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 7: h e I n is shenis.

778
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: Thank you for spelling that for us in case we

779
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: couldn't figure that fucking out.

780
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 9: Make that the title of this episode.

781
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: And this conversation is more enlightening than our Neil de

782
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: Glass Tyson conversation back ones of physics. Honestly, this is

783
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: so enlightening. I'm learning so much. I really appreciate it.

784
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 2: It's really good to understand that there are so many

785
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: different variations. And what you're saying paramount to everything is

786
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: for you know, any young person who is like struggling

787
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: and not with their identity and what they're supposed to

788
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: do if they transition, it's like you're giving a license

789
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: to people to take what they want, and don't take

790
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 2: what they want. You know to be who you are

791
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: in your head. It is more important than any of

792
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: the physical stuff.

793
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 5: Just s it because you have to know. You can't

794
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 5: let other people know for you. You.

795
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 7: You have to know, and you got to know when

796
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 7: to stop. Like all the mistakes. Sometimes I look at

797
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 7: my body and I'm like, Mads, So you made that

798
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 7: mistake because you was trying to compete with this bitch

799
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 7: over here, Madison. You got this scar over here. You

800
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 7: wouldn't have had this scar girl on your on your

801
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 7: leg or your hip or on your You wouldn't have

802
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 7: had this stuff if you wouldn't have been if you

803
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 7: would have.

804
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 5: Just settled in your mind. You knew you were good.

805
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 5: You knew that.

806
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 7: And there are scars that I have on my body

807
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 7: that I that I that I kept like I didn't

808
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 7: go get a skin graph for certain thing because I

809
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 7: got grug I don't know how long we got, but

810
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 7: I got a whole story. I got silicone poisoned.

811
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 5: Oh god, all kind of shit.

812
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 7: I have scars on me that I could have went

813
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 7: and got skin grafted, could have got it.

814
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 5: But I make sure that I stand.

815
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 7: In the mirror when I'm naked, to remind myself, bitch,

816
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 7: you are who you are. You got that scar because

817
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 7: you were trying to be this. You got that scar

818
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 7: because you were trying to be that. Look at your

819
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 7: scars as the reminders of bitch to be exactly who

820
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 7: you are, living, exactly who the fuck you are, and

821
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 7: bitch so that you don't scar yourself again, right, remember that?

822
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 7: And so that's why when shit, we were all over

823
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 7: the place, but we'll get it together. That's why when

824
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 7: Beyonce did Cozy and added me to that song, and

825
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 7: I listened to the lyrics and I and I was

826
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 7: able to chant that.

827
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 2: And this is a recording that you made in your

828
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: own house right during the George Floyd protest.

829
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 5: Yes, right after right after his murder.

830
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 7: Yes, you know it was me protesting about me being black,

831
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 7: me being trans, me and I can't separate the two

832
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 7: because sometimes in my community, in the black community, it's

833
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 7: like like, well, you're not black enough because you're trans now,

834
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 7: or you're not really black because you're gay, and it's like,

835
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 7: what the fuck. I'm black, I'm black and trans at

836
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 7: the same time. I'm not separately at the same time,

837
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 7: and So when she was talking about being comfortable in

838
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 7: the skin and cozy with who you are, and when

839
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 7: she was saying I look at the scars of my

840
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 7: I was just like, oh my god, she's singing this

841
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 7: about me. This is about me, because I talk about

842
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 7: the scars on my body. I talk about the things

843
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 7: that I've been through in my life. I talk about

844
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 7: the scars of being told that I'm going to burn

845
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 7: in hell, and and and and going through my entire

846
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 7: life trying to fit everybody else's idea of what you know,

847
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 7: what is right? When my idea of me is right,

848
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 7: it's right.

849
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 5: I'm not hurting anybody.

850
00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 7: I'm not trying to confuse anybody. I'm front and I

851
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 7: just feel like that I'm where I need to be.

852
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 2: Was there any point in your life that you got

853
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: advice that was invaluable from anyone?

854
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 7: Ru Paul told me Ts Madison, don't you ever be

855
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,959
Speaker 7: too big for the small things, because the small things

856
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 7: will get you through when the big things aren't calling.

857
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 7: And she said, because what you've got to understand, some

858
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 7: other bitch, You'll come through and get that small thing

859
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 7: and become really big, and you'll regret it.

860
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 5: I was like, what the fuck?

861
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: That's great advice. We're gonna give advice. Are you ready

862
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: to give advice? We have callers and people come.

863
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 5: Calling in, calling to the doll. I love you, though.

864
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 7: I'm in the reason why I'm so it's because I'm

865
00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 7: with Chelsea fucking Handler.

866
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: Ah, I love you.

867
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 7: Do you understand girl that I've watched I used to

868
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 7: tell World of Wonder because World of Wonder is the

869
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 7: people who kind of like really discover me and push me.

870
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 7: I said, when you guys make me a show, I

871
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 7: want you to take the formula from Chelsea and I

872
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 7: want to do a night show like this. I need

873
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 7: to be able to be crass. I need to be

874
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 7: able to say pussy yeah, dick. I need to be

875
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 7: able to just be.

876
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 5: Well, obviously it's still a working Yeah.

877
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: You just reminded me of all the legal battles that

878
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: we would get into with the use of language, Like

879
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 2: you could say, you could say somebody was jerking off,

880
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: but you couldn't call someone a jerk off. They actually

881
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: had to be like the active jerking, like all the

882
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: semantics around the language. You just reminded me of the

883
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: legal arguments we would get in daily, which now I

884
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: think would be a mood for because language is whatever.

885
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: Nobody gives a shit anymore if who's cursing.

886
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 5: But I didn't know you were going through stuff like that.

887
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah. We would fight all the time. They

888
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: fucking hated me.

889
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: He would be like, oh my god, because I was like,

890
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: I would never back down, you know.

891
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: I was like, no, this is a comedy show.

892
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: These aren't serious issues. And you know, the legal people

893
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: would be very serious. It would be like, well, you

894
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: can say rim job, but it has to be an

895
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 2: actual rim job.

896
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's the actor? Do you know what a

897
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: rim job is? You, sir?

898
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, you mean like on a car or like

899
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: an actual So we would just have these really silly

900
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: but it was always really fun, you know.

901
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 7: But you don't know how you changed the the perception

902
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 7: of censorship for me, because I was like, well, Chelsea

903
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 7: is she says it.

904
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 5: I would be sitting there like say this shitay shit,

905
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 5: because I'm gonna sit in.

906
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: Motherfucking shit too fun to say it.

907
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 5: Yes, And it's just like you said you did it.

908
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 7: You you you would read and you didn't give a

909
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 7: fuck you. It's like this this was stuff that I

910
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 7: was just like, I gotta I want to be able

911
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 7: to do this, you know, because this is me m

912
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 7: and I just always want to tell you when I

913
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 7: had the opportunity, I was like, bitch, thank.

914
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: You, oh, thank you, thank you. I'd love to hear

915
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: that that's really special, thank you.

916
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 5: I like a I like a foul mouth mother.

917
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: You like a foul mouth white bitch. Yeah, baby.

918
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes there are things that you're going to say,

919
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 2: and you know you're going to say them, like and

920
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: sometimes like when I'm like I have a speech repaired,

921
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 2: and there's just like certain lines you just can't wait

922
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 2: to get out of your mouth, just to call someone

923
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: on their shit right.

924
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: To their face. Like I love that feeling.

925
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: I mean, men are just you know, it's it's it's

926
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: like not all men obviously, but men, I love all

927
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: of them. Somebody said, I read somebody sent me this

928
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: Instagram thing yesterday This beautiful British woman was talking about

929
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: what the problem is with men right now and the

930
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: men and it's like their identity used to be enough.

931
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: Just being a man was enough. So the problem is

932
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: that they have to come up with these other qualities.

933
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 2: They have to be caring, they have to be actually talented.

934
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: You can't just get by on being a man.

935
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: And that's where this cultural shift that we're all seeing,

936
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: and this anger and violence against women which we've experienced,

937
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,959
Speaker 2: you know, since the beginning of time, but there's a

938
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: real din right now. The way men talk about women,

939
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: the way men you know, degrade women, and they're like

940
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: the Roe v Wade.

941
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: All of it is just like whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.

942
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,959
Speaker 2: If you guys are being treated in the same way

943
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: we are, then that means we actually have to step

944
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,959
Speaker 2: up our game and do something more than we're doing. Yes,

945
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: but I hate to say all men because I just

946
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: because I have to get fucked at some point by.

947
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: Some they will still find that's true.

948
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 7: I say this, which he gets very infuriated when he

949
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 7: watches my show. He says that I bashed in and

950
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 7: it's like, no, I don't best because I love men.

951
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 5: But I'm still.

952
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 7: Going to say that I think that men love pussy

953
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 7: more than women.

954
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, absolutely.

955
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 5: Love pussy more than women.

956
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: It's a mental that's it.

957
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 2: Let me get my dick in something and fucking bust

958
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: or not, that's of course, And but there are men

959
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: that do you love women?

960
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, they do. I mean, I don't think that they

961
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 5: don't love me, because because when you.

962
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 7: Start saying that, because they start saying like, oh, you're

963
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 7: saying I'm gay. No, I'm not saying you're gay.

964
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 5: Tell me that would be better. By the way, Tell

965
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 5: me when.

966
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 7: Was the last time that you actually laid in the

967
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 7: bell of the woman and just listen to her. Tell

968
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 7: you about what's going on inside of her body, the

969
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 7: changes that she feels like, you know, like what's going

970
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 7: on in her vagina or if she's whatever. When have

971
00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 7: you bonded with that or all your period on? Okay, well,

972
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 7: i gotta go fuck me somebody else while you're here.

973
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 7: You think I'm gonna wait seven days or you think

974
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 7: I'm gonna wait this long time till your period go off.

975
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 7: Now I'm gonna go fuck me another pussy. No, why

976
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 7: don't you Why are you not there nurturing her during

977
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 7: that time and taking care of her during that time. No,

978
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 7: you like you love her, but you love a pussy

979
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 7: more because if you can't get that pussy, you're gonna

980
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 7: go get you another piece of pussy in the process.

981
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 7: And that doesn't mean and it's like like I have

982
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 7: a lot of straight men around me, and I'm like, sir,

983
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 7: you like pussy and that's fine.

984
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 5: You don't really know her. You don't know her.

985
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 7: You don't know how her day is, You don't know

986
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 7: how she feels on the inside. You don't know her,

987
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 7: and she knows you. She could tell you what the

988
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 7: fuck is wrong with you, She could tell you when

989
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 7: you well, she could tell when you cheating on it

990
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 7: because the dick is acting crazy because she's connected to you.

991
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 7: You don't share that same type of connection. And then

992
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 7: it's like they get angry with me when I say,

993
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 7: you really don't like women like dere you like Pussycie.

994
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's move on to our questions now.

995
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 3: Our first caller today is Cela Bay and her question

996
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 3: is about whether she should hook up with a younger man.

997
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 3: Dear Chelsea, I recently turned thirty and got out of

998
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 3: a relationship that absolutely leveled me. Since then, I found

999
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 3: myself at a strange crossroads. For years, I dated the

1000
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 3: kinds of men you're supposed to date, older, successful, wealthy,

1001
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 3: great jobs, great families, the kinds of men who can

1002
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 3: book a flight before you've even finished saying where you

1003
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: want to go? I spent years in Miami, which I

1004
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 3: believe legally counts as a graduate degree in dating rich,

1005
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 3: older men. And it's not like I sought them out.

1006
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 3: It's just that those were the kinds of men who

1007
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: pursued me. The problem is that now, whenever one of

1008
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: these types of men tries to woo me with gifts,

1009
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 3: luxury travel, or expensive dinners, I get the icks so

1010
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 3: aggressively that I practically need medical attention. Meanwhile, I was

1011
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 3: recently talking to a twenty five year old who is

1012
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: objectively less qualified on paper, but somehow made me feel

1013
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: more excited than the guy offering to fly me to Tuscany.

1014
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 3: I called things off with him, but for the first

1015
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 3: time in my life, I'm wondering if I've been choosing

1016
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 3: partners based on resumes instead of chemistry. Part of me

1017
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 3: thinks it's time to date hot, younger guys, have fun,

1018
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: and stop treating my love life like I'm hiring a CFO.

1019
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: The other part of me wonders if women are sold

1020
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 3: a fantasy about having fun and whether that actually ends

1021
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 3: up being fulfilling. So my question is, after a big heartbreak,

1022
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 3: how do you know whether you're finally listening to yourself

1023
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: or just temporarily losing your mind. Love a woman who

1024
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: spent her twenties dating balance sheets and is suddenly interested

1025
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 3: in personalities.

1026
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: Cela b Hi, Celia.

1027
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 5: Bee, hi Sela By.

1028
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 2: This is our special guest today, Ts Madison is Hia.

1029
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 6: So nice to meet you. Gotcha too happy pride Ah Yeah.

1030
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I think you should have a

1031
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:50,479
Speaker 1: good time.

1032
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 2: I think whenever you have a pattern of behavior that

1033
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: didn't work out, and it was a pattern, like and

1034
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 2: you recognize it, you should really just change up that

1035
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 2: pattern and like toss it out the window and just

1036
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: go for it in terms of doing the exact opposite

1037
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: of what you've done in the past, and have a

1038
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: good time without any expectations, and stop looking at it

1039
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 2: at the end result, like stop looking at the outcome

1040
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: of a relationship.

1041
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: Before it happens.

1042
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 2: We agree, don't look at every person as a potential

1043
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: partner for life. Look at them as an experience in life,

1044
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 2: Like everyone is an experience if you don't put so

1045
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 2: much weight on it. And it's always worthwhile to break

1046
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: up a pattern.

1047
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 7: That was good advice, Jose I think that you should

1048
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 7: always fuck young, date rich.

1049
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 5: That's just the.

1050
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: Fuck young and David. Yeah, now you have to find

1051
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: a young rich guy.

1052
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 2: No, I think that you can do that whatever, But

1053
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 2: it's also nice to find out, like there might be

1054
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: other attributes and qualities you really like in people that

1055
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: you don't even know about yet.

1056
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 5: Yeah. See, you want the money, girl, you want the money.

1057
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: You want Maybe she'll make her own money.

1058
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 5: Girl. Nobody wants to make their own girl.

1059
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: Take that money.

1060
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 7: I know you don't have your own money, but I

1061
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 7: took some of those men.

1062
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 5: So that's what you should do.

1063
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 7: You should fuck young, date rich, and always keep you

1064
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 7: an investment account account on the side, you know what I'm.

1065
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: Saying, an offshore account of sure.

1066
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 7: And when you get older, you know you're gonna find well,

1067
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 7: here's the thing. When you get older, you're gonna find

1068
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 7: yourself being that rich woman. That's like you're probably gonna

1069
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 7: buy you a piece of dick here and there because you're.

1070
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 5: Gonna feel power. It's gonna make you powerful.

1071
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 7: You're gonna feel powerful like girl like they become expendable.

1072
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 7: And then you start noticing the patterns like that. Men

1073
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 7: don't don't really change. And I'm not bashing men because

1074
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 7: I don't want to date anything else but a man.

1075
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 5: But you just call it.

1076
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 7: Gotta call a thing a thing, like men were bred

1077
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 7: to roam. That's why you always get the rich one,

1078
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 7: and you settle with the rich ones, you understand, and

1079
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 7: you fuck the young ones. Get into Polly. Are you

1080
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 7: into Polly?

1081
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 6: No? No, I don't think so.

1082
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: I could have told you no. I'm that.

1083
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: Just based on what she's wearing and the way her hairstyle.

1084
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 5: She was not roth Polly.

1085
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 6: So I don't think I have the energy.

1086
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the difference between men and women is that

1087
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: most women don't.

1088
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: Have the fucking energy for that. Polyandre, polyamory.

1089
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 7: Polyandry is when the woman has multiple husbands. That's that's

1090
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 7: that's right married to her.

1091
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 5: They don't cheat on her. Oh that's polyandry.

1092
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 9: Who cares if they're cheating anyway, right, like miss andres Andre. Yes, yeah,

1093
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 9: So I feel like I dated so strategically, like don't worry,

1094
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,479
Speaker 9: I've got the high yield, the brokerage, the sepira roth Ira,

1095
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 9: got the money on deck because of so strategically for

1096
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 9: so long and making my own money, and so I guess.

1097
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 6: It's kind of like do I just like let my

1098
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 6: hair down and just like, yeah, have.

1099
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: Some fun on this, have some fun.

1100
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: You don't know what you're missing because you don't know

1101
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: you've been so focused on one like area and one

1102
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: zone that like open broaden your horizons you might come back.

1103
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, open it up, open.

1104
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: Up the field and just like let anybody in that

1105
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 2: seems to like strike an interest in.

1106
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 5: You, as long as you're not paying for anything.

1107
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 3: I agree, Like make sure that whoever you're dating or

1108
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 3: Mary like, they can't touch your money. Yeah, yeah, we're

1109
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 3: getting I think she's.

1110
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: All right ready for what's up with money? Like, she's

1111
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 2: the one who's good looking for people for their money.

1112
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: She's not going to be a victim of someone trying

1113
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 2: to get her money.

1114
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 5: Well, she can top with it.

1115
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 2: It can happen, and it has happened, but she seems

1116
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: to be pretty on top of it.

1117
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: I think you should just open.

1118
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: Like just go into a casual mode of dating and

1119
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 2: date multiple people and have a good time and see

1120
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 2: what's out there that you don't know that you like.

1121
00:53:58,719 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 5: And be honest.

1122
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, and tell them, because what I find is when

1123
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 7: you tell a man that you're dating, is I need

1124
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 7: to see who's gonna vibe vibe for the title. When

1125
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 7: you tell them, yeah, like oh I'm dating somebody else.

1126
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 7: It's like, oh, I'm not good, I'm not enough. Well

1127
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 7: show me that you can be enough. The way that

1128
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 7: you defeat men is you take from their playbook. The

1129
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 7: only way that you are able to really control a

1130
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 7: man is if you match a match a man's energy

1131
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 7: with his all men worship me. If they don't worship

1132
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 7: me out of it, that's not my man. And I'm

1133
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 7: gonna tell him I have another friend, another guy, another gentleman,

1134
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 7: because listen, that's what he's he's he's hiding that from me, sir.

1135
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 7: Don't don't don't flip your phone over, don't hide your phone,

1136
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 7: don't put it on silent.

1137
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 5: Let it ring, because I'm gonna let mine ring.

1138
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 6: Okay, So I should definitely hit up this twenty five

1139
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 6: year old because I put it off because I was like,

1140
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 6: I don't know, it's like this future in his career,

1141
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 6: and like, who.

1142
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: Gives a shit? Just stop with that right now, you've

1143
00:54:59,040 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: already done that.

1144
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 2: Just take like a six month sabbatical and have as

1145
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: much fun as possible, okay, period and have.

1146
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 5: Him on his knee. He has to be on his knees.

1147
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 5: And so.

1148
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 1: On to yah. Yeah, that's great, introduce a leash.

1149
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 3: Awesome. Thank you Stela, A thank you, thank you Bye.

1150
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 2: That's really two opposite ends of the spectrum of advice.

1151
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: We really offered her the whole spectrum. We're like, listen, bitch,

1152
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: we're like to do this.

1153
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, but make sure that he that she is being paid.

1154
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean.

1155
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: She needs to be getting paid for her work, loud

1156
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: and clear.

1157
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 3: Well, our next color is Jessica, and she says, you're Chelsea.

1158
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 3: I'm a thirty five year old single woman, and in

1159
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 3: February twenty twenty five, I had a bilateral SELP injectomy

1160
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 3: because I am absolutely certain I do not want children.

1161
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 3: So before the surgery, is that words. I think it's

1162
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 3: the Filippian tubes taken out, Okay, but it's basically she

1163
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 3: got sterilized. So before the surgery, I constantly ran into

1164
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 3: men who assumed I would eventually change my mind about

1165
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 3: having children. Some told me I was too young to

1166
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 3: know for sure. Others seem convinced that if I met

1167
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 3: the right guy, I'd suddenly develop the desire to become

1168
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 3: a mother. Part of the reason I chose permanent sterilization

1169
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 3: was because I wanted to remove any ambiguity. I wasn't

1170
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 3: on the fence, I wasn't waiting to be persuaded, and

1171
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 3: I wasn't looking for someone to change my mind. And yet,

1172
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 3: somehow this didn't solve the problem. Even though I'm very

1173
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 3: clear on my dating profiles that I don't want children,

1174
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 3: I keep matching with men who want kids, aren't sure

1175
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 3: if they want kids, or think my life choices are

1176
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 3: the opening bid in a negotiation. The most recent guy

1177
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 3: told me he didn't want children either. Later I found

1178
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 3: out he had actually fathered a child with a woman

1179
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 3: he hooked up with in Mexico. His explanation was that

1180
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 3: because he wasn't involved in the child's life, he considered

1181
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: himself child free. I nearly sprained an eyeball rolling it.

1182
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 3: How do I find a partner who genuinely wants the

1183
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 3: same child free.

1184
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: Life I do?

1185
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 3: Is there some secret screening question I'm missing or my

1186
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 3: destined to spend every first date conducting a deposition and

1187
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 3: presenting evidence that I really truly actually mean it when

1188
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 3: I say I don't want kids. Sincerely, Jessica, Hi Jessica, Hello,

1189
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 3: thanks for having me sure.

1190
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: This is TS Madison our special guests.

1191
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 5: Hi Jessica, Great, how are you tho?

1192
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: What a Ricken? What does your dating profile say?

1193
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: Maybe it needs to be bolder, like this is a

1194
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 2: non negotiable issue. I will not and am not having

1195
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: any children. It's not physically possible. So that please don't

1196
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: come to me unless you're on the exact same page.

1197
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 8: Right now, my dating profile says that I don't want children,

1198
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 8: it doesn't say it's a non negotiable. I think I'm

1199
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 8: just being a little too nice out there.

1200
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you see already too nice.

1201
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 2: So you have to be very straightforward with people, very

1202
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 2: direct in these circumstances, because you don't want anyone approaching

1203
00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: you that you're going to go on three dates with

1204
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 2: and then have the same conversation. That's a waste of

1205
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 2: your time, So just cut out the waste. Make it

1206
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: very clear, like this is not possible physically and I

1207
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: have no desire, so I made it impossible. So if

1208
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 2: you're on the same page and want to live a

1209
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: life without children, please.

1210
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: Let me know. But we're not having a conversation about it.

1211
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, And because men like can't be oursd to read

1212
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 3: your whole profile. I would also like as you're chatting

1213
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 3: with someone before taking the time to meet up with them,

1214
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 3: I would just be like, hey, I just like to

1215
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 3: check because like, I'm so not on board with having

1216
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 3: kids like them in the same place, or you sort

1217
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 3: of waffle, you know, just like double check before you

1218
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 3: waste your time on some guy. Right.

1219
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm I'm laying Catherine Finnish sister, listen to me thoroughly.

1220
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 5: Okay.

1221
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 7: You have to understand that men send the representative first.

1222
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 7: So the first person that you meet is the shall.

1223
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 5: Of the person.

1224
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 7: It's it's it's who they you know what I'm saying,

1225
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 7: It's like who they think that you want them to

1226
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 7: know who they are. Let them talk, Let them talk,

1227
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 7: let them explain, you know, rub their balls, not literally,

1228
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 7: but just you know, stroke them, get them to just

1229
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 7: like talk, so they'll tell you if they want kids,

1230
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 7: or how they feel about kids, or you know, or

1231
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 7: how they feel about Listen, anytime that I meet men,

1232
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 7: I always just let them. I never tell them what

1233
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 7: I like sexually, I never tell them what I like,

1234
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 7: you know, physically, I let them do because this is

1235
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 7: naturally who they are. This is naturally what they are.

1236
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 7: And if the moment that you start telling them stuff

1237
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 7: for you, so they'll they'll try to conform to that

1238
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 7: and try to make you comfortable so they can get

1239
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 7: in bed with you. And then later on you'll find out, well,

1240
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 7: I want the kids anyway, but just let them talk.

1241
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 5: You know.

1242
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 7: Sometimes they'll tell you, shit, I got four kids on

1243
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 7: my own. I don't want no more from kids, no more.

1244
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 7: It's like, okay, so how many how many? How many

1245
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 7: mothers are there? You know there's two? Okay, So what

1246
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 7: I'm finding out is that you have four kids. Two

1247
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 7: relationships didn't work out, you father two kid, and now

1248
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 7: you're gone, and now you're a single man over here

1249
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 7: with you you kick it with the family and the kits.

1250
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 5: Okay.

1251
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 7: Now you're not the dude for me. You might not

1252
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 7: be the one for me because you you know whatever

1253
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 7: or whatever it is that you however you feel you

1254
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 7: know whatever you're looking for. Don't tell them what you're

1255
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 7: looking for. Let them tell you who they are. My

1256
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 7: profile is blank. If I'm on the dated, it's blank,

1257
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 7: thirty six twenty four, thirty six ten.

1258
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: I like that.

1259
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 7: I like that, and whatever we'll talk about the rest

1260
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 7: of it. I'm thirty six, twenty four thirty six ten.

1261
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 7: If you don't, if you can't figure out what that

1262
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 7: ten is, then that means you're not reading the profile right.

1263
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: Anyway.

1264
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 2: I think you have your marching orders. You have to

1265
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 2: be more direct and don't worry about being nice. Listen,

1266
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: we don't have time for that anymore. Yeah, you just

1267
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 2: have to be direct with people, and you have to

1268
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: be overly direct because this is your future.

1269
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: You're looking to find a partner.

1270
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 2: So it's better just to get all of like the

1271
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: the chit chat out of the way and like and

1272
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 2: and save yourself some time from going on dates with

1273
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 2: people who aren't on the same page.

1274
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1275
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 3: And also, kudos to you for like knowing what you

1276
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 3: wanted making it happen.

1277
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, good for you for getting that done.

1278
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 2: I'm sure if more women knew I had an ablasion,

1279
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 2: which is basically they scorch your uterus.

1280
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: What's the procedure that you referenced in your letter.

1281
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 8: Bilateral self inject to me? So it's removing the fallopian tubes.

1282
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: Oh, good for you. That sounds very sexy.

1283
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 5: And you don't so you don't want any children at all?

1284
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: Well, she can't. What are you gonna have a little one?

1285
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 2: They're her procedures a wrap. There's nothing happening there.

1286
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 5: And that's because you just she just never wanted any kids.

1287
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: No, no, you keep your ten ten inches away from her.

1288
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 5: She doesn't want to be would you, would you be

1289
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 5: a step.

1290
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: No, it's a movement. It's happening people, it's a movement.

1291
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 3: Awesome, Thank you, Jessica, Jessica, have a great day.

1292
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: You too, you too.

1293
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 8: Bane.

1294
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 2: It pains me to say this, but we have to

1295
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 2: wrap things up to now. Now, yeah, we do. I

1296
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,919
Speaker 2: know you're going on tour. You're going on your podcast tour.

1297
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 2: Outlaws is your podcast and you're going on your very

1298
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 2: first podcast tour. Okay, so we were where can they buy.

1299
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 7: Tickets www dot Outlaws podcast dot com dot com.

1300
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 2: Okay, great, And you can catch t s. Madison on

1301
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 2: RuPaul's Drag Race, of course, and then Outlaws podcasts, TikTok,

1302
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 2: fag Talk.

1303
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: Live spelled p h a g fag Talk Live, everybody.

1304
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 5: Popular, hot ass gossipers.

1305
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 2: I loved having you. I'm sorry we don't have more

1306
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 2: time together.

1307
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 5: Listen, we're gonna do something else. We'll do, I'll do.

1308
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 7: I feel that there's so much stuff that we can do.

1309
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 7: If you put ebony and ivory together, what magic would

1310
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 7: it make? I want to thank you so much, Chelsea.

1311
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, of course.

1312
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 5: I really wish I could have delved deeper.

1313
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 3: I know.

1314
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 2: Well, we'll have you back, and I'll come on yours.

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Speaker 2: We'll make sure we keep a relationship.

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Speaker 5: Go please, yes, because you're you're an idol of movie.

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Speaker 1: I love you. I love you. Let me give you

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Speaker 1: a come on, come on girl, come on my name.

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Speaker 3: is edited and engineered by Brandon Dickert executive producer Katherine Law.

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Speaker 3: Find full video episodes and minisodes now on Netflix, and

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