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Speaker 2: from the weekend?

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Speaker 5: Danny, I sure do.

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Speaker 1: Doug.

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Speaker 5: I had been waiting for November twenty ninth, twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 5: for three hundred and sixty four days, ever since Ohio

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Speaker 5: State was unable to beat Michigan in a game that

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Speaker 5: they were heavily favored to have their losing streak to

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Speaker 5: that team up North extend to four games. I've been

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Speaker 5: waiting for the game on Saturday for a long time,

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Speaker 5: and while the early moments of the game did not

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Speaker 5: look good for the Scarlet and Gray the ending moments

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Speaker 5: sure did. The Ohio State win over Michigan made the

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Speaker 5: sun shine a little brighter, air smell a little cleaner,

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Speaker 5: and it was just a really, really good feeling to

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Speaker 5: see the Buckeyes top the Wolverines on Saturday.

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Speaker 6: Sammy, I need a couple of ideas on this one.

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Speaker 6: I need to get Dug's thoughts as well. So Ryan

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Speaker 6: Day as he completely wiped clean the slate of any criticism,

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Speaker 6: was this the moment when he when he could do

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Speaker 6: no wrong? Moving forward now that he's defeated Ohio State

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Speaker 6: after winning the national team in Michigan the heavy favorite

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Speaker 6: to win a back to back championship, he.

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Speaker 2: Won Nash chitcherd last year, right, So I mean it

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Speaker 2: definitely got the monk that monkey office back. Go ahead.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And he had beaten Michigan in twenty nineteen. Michigan

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Speaker 5: then had a COVID situation in twenty twenty. Ohio State

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Speaker 5: probably would have won that game, but they just didn't

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Speaker 5: play it. So the last four really built up, and

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Speaker 5: he had beaten them before. It's doing it with his

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Speaker 5: players in his style. I think that was the biggest

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Speaker 5: change in this that validates it. It's funny because both

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Speaker 5: of his wins have come in Michigan. The twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: game was supposed to be in Columbus and they didn't say, Okay,

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Speaker 5: well the next year you're going to host in Columbus.

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Speaker 5: They just didn't do that. They just played it twenty

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Speaker 5: years are. But yeah, people never talked about that win.

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Speaker 5: Not that that was something to completely brag about when

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Speaker 5: you've lost four in a row, but this doing it

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Speaker 5: with his own players, with their style and then just

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Speaker 5: being more physical than Michigan was in this game. I

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Speaker 2: The last part was the big part. Danact. That they

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Speaker 2: under Harball, that was their big thing. We're gonna be

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Speaker 2: the most physical team. And people have been critical of

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Speaker 2: Ryan Day's teams. It was a physicality issue, and they

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Speaker 2: more than showed that they had grown as a program.

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Speaker 2: I I agree that was a gigantic win. Gigantic win.

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Speaker 2: It solidifies them as the absolute dominant team in the

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Speaker 5: I see. It's funny because I just there's a lot

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Speaker 5: see like a huge motivating factor to play this game.

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Speaker 2: There's not. No, it's again, this is what the College

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Speaker 2: Wall Playoff has done. I thought of that, which is

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Speaker 2: like like A and M lost to Texas, it sucks,

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Speaker 2: but they're still gonna play the College Wall Playoffs. You know,

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Speaker 2: at Ohio State lost, it would suck, but it's just

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Speaker 2: like last year, could still win that championship. So that's

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Speaker 2: what we've done, and we've changed about the sport. Sam

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Speaker 2: set me love on the weekend.

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Speaker 7: I'm not done with this the game. I'm not done

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Speaker 2: Damn.

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Speaker 7: I'm just curious. What when's the last time Michigan won

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Speaker 7: Do you happen to know off the top of your head.

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Speaker 5: It had been so let's see, maybe won three straight then, yeah,

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Speaker 5: it had been like that, maybe the late eighties, early nineties.

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Speaker 5: There was a tie in between, I believe in nineteen

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Speaker 5: ninety one, nineteen ninety two, but yeah, around that time.

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Speaker 7: This is Big Four straight losses to Michigan. I mean

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Speaker 7: it just must have felt otherwise, because, like I remember,

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Speaker 7: Ohio State would win four over Michigan like pretty easily,

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Speaker 7: but for the shoe to be on their their foot

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Speaker 7: man purify the soul, exercise the demons.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Ohio State beating Michigan, believe in nineteen eighty seven,

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Speaker 5: they beat them then again in nineteen ninety four, so

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Speaker 5: it may have been in that range. Michigan had good teams.

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Speaker 5: There were better teams until the mid nineties, and that's

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Speaker 5: kind of when this all started, is that Ohio State

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Speaker 5: couldn't at least recently of my generation. But yeah, that long.

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Speaker 9: By the way, eighty eight to ninety one Michigan.

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Speaker 5: Nineteen ninety two would have been a tie. They lost

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Speaker 5: in ninety three Ohio State did, and then they beat

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Speaker 2: With the memory on that guy look at the big

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Speaker 5: They beat him in ninety four, beat him in ninety eight, they.

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Speaker 2: Beat him ninety eight.

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Speaker 5: Apparently, they beat him in two thousand and one, then

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Speaker 5: two they lost in three, then they won from four

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Speaker 5: to twenty ten, twenty ten was vacated. They lost to

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Speaker 5: Michigan in twenty eleven. Then they then Urban went seven

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Speaker 5: and oh and then it was the four game losing streak.

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Speaker 5: A big brain on this game means a lot. You

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Speaker 5: remember all of these outcomes.

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Speaker 9: It does.

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Speaker 7: And I have no doubt they would have beaten Michigan

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Speaker 7: the National Championship. Michigan would it was only one like

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Speaker 7: they had a losing record. So interesting. Anyway, where are

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Speaker 2: We're at Jason Stewart.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I love when my instincts are confirmed. Now, don't

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Speaker 6: get that confused with I love when I'm right. Somebody

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Speaker 6: once told me that if you need to be right,

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Speaker 6: then you shouldn't be in this business. You need to

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Speaker 6: be flexible, you need to be humble. I don't need

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Speaker 6: to be right, but I do like it when my

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Speaker 6: instincts are confirmed. I'll give you an example. I started

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Speaker 6: four years ago, and Doug and Dan can confirm this.

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Speaker 6: I have been killing Tony Romo ever since. I was

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Speaker 6: negative on Romo when he was still kind of the

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Speaker 6: was very critical of I never understood the thing, never

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Speaker 6: got it. But something's happened if you haven't seen it.

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Speaker 6: Over the last couple weeks and the trades. I'm talking

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Speaker 6: like Andrew Marshatt. And then all the you know blogs

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Speaker 6: off announcing lots of negative articles on Tony Romo and

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Speaker 6: his relationship with jim Nantz And you're like, why now,

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Speaker 6: And Doug knows us better than anybody. It's because somebody

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Speaker 6: at CBS is talking background to these reporters. I think

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Speaker 6: So let's see what happens when he reads a bunch

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Speaker 6: of negative things about him. Just yesterday, they're at the

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Speaker 6: end of the Bills game and the Bills have a

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Speaker 6: to the line and jim Nantz is like, they're gonna

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Speaker 6: go for it, and then a timeout was called and

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Speaker 6: then jim Nantz starts to read a promo and Tony

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Speaker 6: Romo stops him three words in and says, you know what,

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Speaker 6: going to kick the field goal. Go up three scores, Okay,

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Speaker 6: go ahead, Jim, and he just lets him finish the promo.

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Speaker 6: And I'm like, whoa, that was a weird moment. And

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Speaker 6: Like there's just always this tension now with those two,

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Speaker 6: and it's all almost fault. He stopped putting in the work.

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Speaker 6: He's not as close to the game as he used

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Speaker 6: to be, and it's been made clear through all these

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Speaker 6: articles I've been reading. But anyways, I just like when

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Speaker 7: Okay, Sam, all right, got a couple of things here.

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Speaker 7: This is just a general thing. Can't do my love

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Speaker 7: of the weekend with at least just saying love being

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Speaker 7: with my family for Thanksgiving? It was very nice. I

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Speaker 7: don't get to see him very often. What I guess

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Speaker 7: the four fs you would say of life is it

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Speaker 7: family boy, football, food and the food was so good,

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Speaker 3: Turkey and dressing them ghibli gravy, mustard greens and Colin

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Speaker 8: I know you don't think on.

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Speaker 7: So that getting that out of the way. All those

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Speaker 7: great all those great dishes wonderful. But I was watching

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Speaker 7: the Iowa Nebraska game with my niece who's five years old.

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Speaker 7: It's the heroes game, and she's like, who are these teams?

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Speaker 7: Team ketchup? I'm doing team Ketchup. That was Nebraska. She

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Speaker 7: just likes the colored are colors. So I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 7: Iowa's Team Mustard. So she was all boored Team Ketchup.

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Speaker 7: But I'm like, fry, that's her name. Team Mustard has

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Speaker 7: now won ten of the last eleven. There's a lot

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Speaker 7: more you can do with Mustard than ketchup, so it's

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Speaker 7: good to be Team Mustard. I loved watching Iowa beat

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Speaker 7: fact is that if you can't beat your rival who

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Speaker 7: you think you're above, then you really can't say anything.

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Speaker 7: Ten out of eleven is pretty much domination. So love

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Speaker 7: seeing Team Mustard get another win over Team ketchup.

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Speaker 5: Yes, through you, I was going.

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Speaker 2: To use this the same game, but I got to

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Speaker 8: That's exactly what I'm saying.

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Speaker 9: Is that on purpose by him? Yes? Even said after

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Speaker 2: I hate it. I hate it. Damn Byer.

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Speaker 5: By the way, I don't know if you guys hit

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Speaker 8: He's a hoe and I want that known, Like I

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Speaker 2: So good, so good.

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Speaker 5: I'll make my hate quick. I just I love that

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Speaker 2: Right on the line. A lot of complaints already fooling

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Speaker 2: Okay, and that is love and hey.

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Speaker 2: do you want to get on this on the Lane

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Speaker 6: No, No, I think that there's a lot of interesting

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Speaker 10: Or my heart was here? But I just you know,

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Speaker 6: But it is what it is, don't you guys think

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Speaker 2: that you're talking about that are just good enough reality

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Speaker 2: as most of them are that guy, but that's not

437
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Speaker 2: where they are mentally. But the lack of compassion is

438
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Speaker 2: a real thing for athletes, for coaches, whatever. Like it's

439
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Speaker 2: a hard call. It's a hard call, and so many

440
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Speaker 2: people are being critical of Lane's decision when you're sitting

441
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Speaker 2: there going like, well, it's not that easy. Do I

442
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Speaker 2: leave at SEC job. We're having a great year where

443
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Speaker 2: we've shown the last couple of years we can be

444
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Speaker 2: right there for a job that I think most people believe,

445
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Speaker 2: myself included, is all in all a better job because

446
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Speaker 2: you got better resources and better in state recruiting and

447
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Speaker 2: you have more history. But again, it's hard, you know.

448
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Speaker 2: I I obviously related to myself. I had a lot long,

449
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Speaker 2: hard decision leaving ESPN for CBS. The money was not

450
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Speaker 2: that different, it just wasn't, and I just I always

451
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Speaker 2: want to do the fun of four. I want to

452
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Speaker 2: move back home to California. I wanted my afternoons with

453
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Speaker 2: my kids, But it was not easy. I loved ESPN.

454
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Speaker 2: I had so many good friends there. Leaving CBS for

455
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Speaker 2: Fox was equally difficult. I just didn't have really the

456
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Speaker 2: time to make that call. And taking this job, I

457
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Speaker 2: didn't have any time. Just do you want it? Yeah,

458
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Speaker 2: I don't say I want it, then they're moving on.

459
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Speaker 2: But I actually really understand that. I don't think we

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Speaker 2: have the compassion for people because we view it as

461
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Speaker 2: a bottom line business. And the only reason that people

462
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Speaker 2: think he's going there is the one hundred million dollars.

463
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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. That helps. And these are first

464
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Speaker 2: world decisions and he is. He's acting entitled because he is,

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Speaker 2: But there is still the core of do you leave

466
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Speaker 2: one job for another when in reality you're probably perfectly

467
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Speaker 2: happy where you are.

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Speaker 5: Dan Byer, Yeah, I just I think that people want

469
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Speaker 5: to look at Lane Kiffin like his dad and grandpa

470
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Speaker 5: went to ole Miss, and that old Kiff and Lane

471
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Speaker 5: kiffn is tied to ole Miss because it's always been

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Speaker 5: in his blood. No, that's basically the fan base. And

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Speaker 5: that's so when Jason's talking about the people who are burned,

474
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Speaker 5: and I agree with him on the not everybody is

475
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Speaker 5: nil and transfer transfer portable if you will, in going

476
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Speaker 5: to another school. Some guys are going to be at

477
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Speaker 5: ole Miss for four years and they've been on a

478
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Speaker 5: heck of a run as of late. Others maybe wanted

479
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Speaker 5: to go ole Miss and like Lane Kiffin, and now

480
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Speaker 5: they're gonna have a decision to make because maybe Lane

481
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Speaker 5: Kiffin doesn't want him at LSU. But I think it's

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Speaker 5: the it's such a disconnect because I get that ole

483
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Speaker 5: Miss gave Lane Kiffin an opportunity, but Lane Kiffin is

484
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Speaker 5: still in Kiffin and he's only been there six years,

485
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Speaker 5: and I think that you're foolish to think that. And

486
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Speaker 5: it's nothing against Oxford Mississippi and it's nothing against ole Miss.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's crazy that Lane Kiffin says, you

488
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Speaker 5: know what, maybe I don't want my legacy to be

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Speaker 5: the twenty twenty five ole Miss football program because if

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Speaker 5: he goes seven and six the next three seasons, ole

491
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Speaker 5: Miss may be looking for a new head coach to

492
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Speaker 5: replace him. And now his opportunity to go back to

493
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Speaker 5: a blue blood if you will, or one of the

494
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Speaker 5: top marquee programs in college football now has been squandered.

495
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Speaker 5: So he's trading in ten chances at winning a national

496
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Speaker 5: championship or right now or going for that instead of

497
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Speaker 5: maybe the one in twenty twenty five. And that is

498
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Speaker 5: the tough part about it. And you're now in a conference, Doug,

499
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Speaker 5: where you've talked about we've had the question of like,

500
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Speaker 5: what job would you take here? What is the best spot?

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Speaker 5: And Doug's brought up Texas, A and M like for

502
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Speaker 5: money and commitment towards it. So now you're competing against

503
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Speaker 5: A and M. You're competing against Texas, You're competing against Oklahoma,

504
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Speaker 5: you're competing against Yes LSU, you're competing against Alabama, you're

505
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Speaker 5: competing against Georgia, you're competing against Tennessee, you're competing against Florida.

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Speaker 5: Where's Ole Miss in all of this? So now link

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Speaker 5: Kiffin wants to sit there and what ninth tenth, And

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Speaker 5: it's not meant to disrespect Ole Miss, but he's not

509
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Speaker 5: tied to Ole Miss. He's a football coach. He's worn seven, eight,

510
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Speaker 5: nine different logos throughout his career. So it's such a

511
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Speaker 5: different job. It hurts for the fan base and it hurts,

512
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Speaker 5: but that's not how coaches. Most coaches are wired. Players

513
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Speaker 5: are wired, and especially Lane Kiffin.

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Speaker 2: A great Uh yeah, yeah, you know they will tell

515
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Speaker 2: you never leave your job unless you're leavehim for the

516
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Speaker 2: best job in the league. You know, if you got

517
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Speaker 2: it rolling. I don't know if LSU is the best

518
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Speaker 2: you have in the league, but it's it's in the conversation.

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Speaker 2: It's in the conversation.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, how many times are you gonna be a you're

521
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Speaker 5: in and you're out? What are the just the odds

522
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Speaker 5: of being able to compete? You know what this college

523
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Speaker 5: football is now with all of those schools. And by

524
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Speaker 5: the way, whoever got the LSU job is probably gonna

525
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Speaker 5: be out ahead of Ole Miss if it wasn't link Giffen.

526
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Speaker 5: So why wouldn't you take that?

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Speaker 2: I got it? And again it doesn't mean that you

528
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Speaker 2: have to. Okay, I haven't been presented with there. I

529
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Speaker 2: have not been successful enough to ever. But you get

530
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Speaker 2: people all the time like why you're just gonna win

531
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Speaker 2: and leave? Like literally, I don't know. I do feel

532
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Speaker 2: emotionally tied to this place. I've only been here two years.

533
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Speaker 2: It would be a dream to be in six years

534
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Speaker 2: to be the position where you're like, you're literally the

535
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Speaker 2: best team the school has ever had, and at that

536
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Speaker 2: point in time. Again, I don't know what my reaction

537
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: would be, but it's very very human for you to

538
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Speaker 2: think of, well, these people believed in me when other

539
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Speaker 2: people didn't. On the other hand, if I start losing,

540
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Speaker 2: no matter how much they believe in me, I'm gonna

541
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Speaker 2: be out. So do I keep on keeping on? What

542
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Speaker 2: do I do? I just so many, so many of

543
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Speaker 2: us view it through the lens of what it was

544
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Speaker 2: like ten years ago. And we're also criticizing Lane Kiffin

545
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Speaker 2: as if it was Tennessee. He's only here for a year.

546
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Speaker 2: Six years is again a long time? Would that make him?

547
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Speaker 2: Mark Stoops was probably like the longest tenured coach in

548
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Speaker 2: the SEC he got fired today. I can't think of

549
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Speaker 2: a guy. It's probably Kirby Smart. It's probably now the

550
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Speaker 2: longest centered coach in the SEC. Sure, yeah, right, And

551
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Speaker 2: I don't think he's been there ten years. Like the

552
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Speaker 2: days of the guy staying thirty years at a place

553
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Speaker 2: is very I mean outside of Iowa, who's done it?

554
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Speaker 7: You saw Utah was the next. I think he's next Utah.

555
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, those are the two. But there's like

556
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Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty something Division one teams and we're

557
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Speaker 2: talking about two.

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Speaker 7: I think Mike Gundy was on that list of the

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Speaker 7: top three to five and yeah, twenty one years.

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Speaker 5: So nineteen seventy one, Ole Miss had a ten win season.

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Speaker 5: That was the last since Eli and ole Miss in

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Speaker 5: two thousand and three. They then had one in twenty

563
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Speaker 5: fifteen with Hugh Freeze. Lane has had three. And if

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Speaker 5: you were to ask Old Miss when he takes over

565
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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty, if you could have three ten win

566
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Speaker 5: seasons in the five in the just looking at the

567
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Speaker 5: record here, it's twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, twenty yeah,

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Speaker 5: oh yeah, in twenty five. Yeah, if if you look

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Speaker 5: at the six years, yep, so that's four. So if

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Speaker 5: you were to say in the in the six years

571
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Speaker 5: you had four to ten win seasons, would you take that?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, yes, absolutely, yep.

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Speaker 2: There's a good run.

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Speaker 7: It was a good run. But doesn't it feels like

576
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Speaker 7: there was still more work to be done at ole Miss?

577
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Speaker 7: Like they didn't actually get to the playoff under Lane Kiffin.

578
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Speaker 7: They would have this year if he stuck around, they

579
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Speaker 7: might still get there, but he won't be there. So

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Speaker 7: it's like, just I don't feel satisfied with Lane Kiffin's

581
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Speaker 7: time there. Of course, the ten wins thing is great, but.

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Speaker 2: You don't think you are satisfied.

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Speaker 7: It's not sad.

584
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Speaker 5: Centering the what had just laid out the bed ten

585
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Speaker 5: to three wins.

586
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Speaker 7: No, you're right, it's nice, but you know it is

587
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Speaker 7: Ole Miss.

588
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Speaker 5: He's He's the one that's supposed to.

589
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Speaker 7: I mean, no, I'm any kind of irritation with it.

590
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Speaker 5: I think I think a lot more people feel the

591
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Speaker 5: way that Sam does than the way that Doug looks

592
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Speaker 5: at it. Of the way that I look at it.

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Speaker 2: I would say that if you would have asked me

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Speaker 2: ten fifteen years ago, I would have looked at a

595
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Speaker 2: lot more the way that Sam looks at it, and

596
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Speaker 2: I would have said, hey, you know, like, if you

597
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Speaker 2: can get to a college fat playoff at all, Miss, now,

598
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Speaker 2: why can't you? But I'm just telling you, based upon

599
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Speaker 2: the landscape of the sport. I mean, you're talking about

600
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Speaker 2: schools paying fifty like Kentucky's going to play thirty seven

601
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Speaker 2: million dollars and Mark stoops to not coach. Literally, you

602
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: have a bad year and you're immediately on the hot seat.

603
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Speaker 2: You have that next year you better start out with

604
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Speaker 2: a way record and if your schedules too hard, like

605
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Speaker 2: you're out.

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Speaker 7: You look at Michigan State Jonathan Smith and look.

607
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Speaker 2: Coastal Carolina Jonathan Smith, Michigan State, great call.

608
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Speaker 7: Look at their last two coaches, Mel Tucker and and

609
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Speaker 7: Jonathan Well. Mel Tucker got yes, yes, yes.

610
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Speaker 2: Jonathan Smith comes in Smith. It's a scouldering two years

611
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Speaker 2: file of doo me.

612
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Speaker 5: Mel Tucker got fired because they could fire him with cause.

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Speaker 7: I'm just saying that there was It's been a mess

614
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Speaker 7: at Michigan State. They've not done the coach hiring thing

615
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Speaker 7: well lately. But the Jonathan Smith think he won five

616
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Speaker 7: games his first year, then they go oh to eight

617
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Speaker 7: in a big ten until his last game. He finally

618
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Speaker 7: when they finished like four, four and eight, and he

619
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Speaker 7: just I just yeah, I don't like that either. It's

620
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Speaker 7: really rough. That's really rough.

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Speaker 2: So again, like you want to sit there and tell

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Speaker 2: me like you need to stay because you're they're be

623
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Speaker 2: loyal to you and whatever, Like I get it. I'm

624
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Speaker 2: just telling you, based upon the landscape of the sport,

625
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Speaker 2: go get the biggest check, Go have the most sources.

626
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Speaker 2: Everybody knows. Like you'll have games where you look and

627
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Speaker 2: you'll go like we we don't have a shot. They

628
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Speaker 2: have just better players than we do. You can coach

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Speaker 5: in the NCAA Tournament. It was announced today as the

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Speaker 5: partnership with ESPN and CBS and Turner and the whole deal,

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Speaker 5: that Charles Barkley and Dick Vitale will actually be on

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Speaker 5: the call as analysts for this Saturday's game or excuse me,

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Speaker 5: the Saturday, December thirteenth game between Indiana and Kentucky. They

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Speaker 5: will also be a part of a First four broadcast

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Speaker 5: of the Division One Men's basketball Tournament. Yes, Charles Barkley

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Speaker 5: and Dick Vitale will be on the call in March

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Speaker 5: for a First four game in Dayton.

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Speaker 2: That's really cool, really cool. It is interesting, though, like

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Speaker 2: this generation gen z no idea who Dick Vitae is

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Speaker 2: or what he's done for college basketball.

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Speaker 5: And it was always my understanding, Doug, that before j

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Speaker 5: Billis got to be the number one guy replacing vitalent ESPN,

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Speaker 5: is that the top analyst on the top team, that

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Speaker 5: they would let Billis do CBS, but they wouldn't let

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Speaker 5: their top guy do it. They wouldn't let vital do

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Speaker 5: the NCAA Tournament for CBS over the tournament because he

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Speaker 5: was their number one guy. Is that is that accurate?

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Speaker 5: Billis doesn't do it anymore.

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Speaker 2: For he previously had a contract with CBS, then he

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Speaker 2: went exclusive with ESPN. But VI Talent they've offered up

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Speaker 2: viy tal Vitaal has actually done it for the international

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Speaker 2: broadcast for years, like ESPN actually has the international broadcast.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it has to do with being their

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Speaker 2: top guy. I think it has to do with who

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Speaker 2: is in charge of the time. And obviously those things

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Speaker 2: have kind of gone away where now guys get to

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Speaker 2: work for multiple networks.

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Speaker 5: Sure, well, because of the consolidation of all these leagues

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Speaker 5: and whatnot, they're going to have vital In Barkley on

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Speaker 5: the call for the Indiana Kentucky game and then a

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Speaker 5: First Four game in Dayton in March. All right, still

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Speaker 5: awaiting the Lane Kiffin press conference. UCLA is hiring James

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Speaker 5: Madison at football coach Bob Chesney to leave the Bruins

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Speaker 5: football program. By the way, Chesney will be able to

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Speaker 5: coach the Dukes in the Sun Belt Championship game on

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Speaker 5: Friday and possibly in the College Football Playoff if they

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Speaker 5: make it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So why is that different than Ole miss I

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Speaker 2: don't really understand that. Like people thought it's crazy for

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Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin to want to coach his team, and I

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Speaker 2: don't mind. I understand what Keith Carter's saying, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: can't be around our kids because you're going to recruit

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Speaker 2: our kids. That's a real thing. Actually, I'm the only

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Speaker 2: guy who said that in radio prior to this year.

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Speaker 2: That that's why some of these coaches when they get up,

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Speaker 2: either one they don't get to say goodbye to their team,

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Speaker 2: or two when they do, they keep it super super top.

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Speaker 2: I sort of feelingless thank you. And that's because the

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Speaker 2: factors like, look, you got five minutes, you're no longer

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Speaker 2: the coach here, you can you're not stopping and talking

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Speaker 2: into these players. That's the deal. That's the deal.

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Speaker 5: Doug, get ready for college football in Brazil in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty six, an ACC showdown between Sorry I didn't mean

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Speaker 5: to laugh, but at ACC Showdown between Virginia and NC

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Speaker 5: State will be taking place in Brazil. The first ever

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Speaker 5: FBS game in South America coming up on August twenty ninth.

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Speaker 2: Chasing that dollar, man, how about that chase? Chasing that dollar?

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Speaker 5: How unnecessary? Just completely unnecessary. Two other NFL three. NFL notes,

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Speaker 5: Vikings quarterback jjm McCarthy expected to be cleared and start

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Speaker 5: Week fourteen. Jaydon Daniels are the Commanders who the Vikings play,

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Speaker 5: has not been cleared for contact, and the Cardinals won't

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Speaker 5: open up the practice window for Kyler Murray. And that's

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Speaker 5: the press.

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Speaker 9: By get out there and pressed.

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Speaker 4: That was the press.

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