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Speaker 1: edition of the OTP. I'm Amy Wells. Hett Brian is here,

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Speaker 1: Coach Mack is here. We're all in Indianapolis for the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five NFL Scouting Combine, which I believe very

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna waste any more of your time. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get right to it. Here's our first guest, NFL

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Speaker 1: Network's very own Daniel Jeremiah. Daniel Jeremiah, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for taking some time to hang out with us

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Speaker 1: on the OTP. It's so good to see you in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: It's great to be here. I feel like, uh, your

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Speaker 2: location maybe has changed a little bit from the last

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Speaker 2: year that we were here. I feel like they're kind

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Speaker 2: of spicing it up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It is we're backwards, we're on the opposite side of

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Speaker 1: the room, and it's a little bit jarring, but we're

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Speaker 1: seeing some new friends.

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Speaker 3: We're meeting new people.

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Speaker 2: Looks nice and you get a chance to monitor the

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Speaker 2: exit with where you're located. Course is ducking out, who's

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Speaker 2: not hard, which teams want it?

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean. It's been rearranged.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, but it seems very on brand for this year's

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Speaker 1: draft because this draft class is a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit strange. What have you noticed about

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Speaker 1: this group because it feels it feels different than in

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Speaker 1: previous years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that, you know, look, the elephant in

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Speaker 2: the room is the sex. Appeal with drafts is quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: and then secondary it's probably wide receivers because those are

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Speaker 2: the players that you watch on a Saturday and you're

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Speaker 2: watching college football. The guys you notice and the guys

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Speaker 2: that regard. So that's why people are, you know, people have,

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Speaker 2: you know, kind of to be honest, have kind of

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Speaker 2: ripped on this draft, like, oh, what are you gonna get?

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's not a good draft. My whole thing

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Speaker 2: is this is a starter draft. Like there are starters.

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Speaker 2: There is a long line of starters you can find

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Speaker 2: about him for another seven eight years. At those spots

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Speaker 2: and there's a there's a good group of those guys.

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Speaker 2: And I would say at the top, at least position

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Speaker 2: player wise, I think there's two there are two special players.

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Speaker 2: Abdul Carter is a rusher with what he does is

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Speaker 2: those are some fun pieces there at the very top.

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Speaker 1: The quarterbacks are an interesting group because there's a bit

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Speaker 1: of a debate over QB one QB two different pundits

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Speaker 1: As it stands today February twenty fifth, who do you

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Speaker 2: Look, I think there's two quarterbacks that separated from the group,

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Speaker 2: cam Ward and Shadoor Sanders, And it's a to simplify it,

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Speaker 2: I would say, you can go floor ceiling, and to me,

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Speaker 2: Shador has a little bit higher floor. He's more polished.

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Speaker 2: You know, you kind of know what you're buying with him,

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Speaker 2: Cam ward to me is ceiling in his upside. He

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Speaker 2: those high end traits. Now he's loose, He plays really loose.

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Speaker 2: It's gotten better throughout his career, but there's still moments

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Speaker 2: You can't do that. But he's been able to dig

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Speaker 2: you go with the floor three years from now, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna go, you know what, good player, but he's not

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Speaker 2: good enough get us past these guys. You know, the

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Speaker 2: Josh Allens, the Mahomes, the Burrows, the Lamar Jackson's, the Herberts.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's a I'm just that's the tip of

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Speaker 2: want to make a selection that I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 2: the ceiling. And if I miss, guess what, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: go chase the ceiling one more time.

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Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 5: You've worked the front office, You've been boots on the

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Speaker 5: the Titans right now, what would you be excited about

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Speaker 2: I'd be excited about the defensive line and knowing full

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Speaker 2: well that that's already a strength of this team and

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Speaker 2: some of the pieces that are in place. The way

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Speaker 2: Sweat played last year was awesome too. You know, when

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Speaker 2: and that's not the way it works. There's no guarantees.

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Speaker 2: I hear that. But then I also can give you

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Speaker 2: next year. There's a lot of teams that have done that.

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Speaker 2: And if I'm if I'm the Titans, I've got a chance.

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Speaker 2: If I take Abdul Carter to say, all right, I

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Speaker 2: the best defensive lines in the National Football League. And

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Speaker 2: to me, outside of quarterback, it's the second most important

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Speaker 2: position you want. It's hard, hard press, showing a dominant defense. Coach,

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Speaker 2: maybe you can enlighten me on this, but show me

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Speaker 2: a dominant defense in the history of this league that

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Speaker 3: Just check the Super Bowl we just watched.

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Speaker 2: My favorite, my favorite story about that. I was talking

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Speaker 2: he said, he said, you know what, I think our

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Speaker 2: I know you got a great ful but I put

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Speaker 2: probably can. But you know what, we got four behind

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Speaker 2: So I just think you can't have enough. You can't say, well,

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Speaker 2: we've got we've had a couple dominant defensive linemen. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know what I want. I'm greedy. I want to

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Speaker 2: be it's hard to be a bad defense with a

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean and you saw it. You saw it

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Speaker 5: lived it with the team that you were with. What's

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Speaker 5: so important is and they stuck with it. They rushed

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Speaker 5: four no, no run road four Daniel, and then covered, yeah,

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Speaker 5: covered with seven. And when you can do that, you're

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Speaker 5: four over three, three over two. That's just the math.

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Speaker 5: It was beautiful to watch. As a lifelong defensive dude.

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Speaker 5: I loved it, and I know.

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Speaker 3: You did too.

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Speaker 2: I sent Jeremiah text after the game because I didn't

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Speaker 2: and full to go to Jim Washburn's son, Jeremiah.

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Speaker 2: Said, I just literally sat like rushed for the entire game.

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Speaker 2: Exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point. I said, how sweet

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Speaker 2: was that? I mean, that was That's your dream if

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Speaker 2: you coach that position, is to say, just let us

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Speaker 2: do our thing with four. We don't need anything else,

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Speaker 2: he said.

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Speaker 3: He told me.

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Speaker 2: Uh, we were talking afterwards, He's like, I don't know

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Speaker 2: that we had a call that we didn't install day

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Like there was no frills, there was no We're

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Speaker 3: Just go yeah wow, deft tailed off of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The thing that we've put together, of course, you live

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Speaker 5: this stuff. Edge rushers and the interior defensive lineman of

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Speaker 2: That's the group, right, Oh my gosh, coach I had

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Speaker 2: last year. I looked it up and with the grading

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Speaker 2: skill that I use, the and this is what we

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Speaker 2: learned in Baltimore. One of the grades is potential starter, Right,

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Speaker 2: so you have like role players back up and then

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Speaker 2: potential starter, eventual starter, you know, on and on well

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Speaker 2: of like potential like guys who have the potential to

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Speaker 2: start defensive tackles. Last year I gave out twelve of

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Speaker 2: those grades. This year I gave out twenty four. Wow,

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Speaker 2: twenty four. I've never had a year with this many guys.

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Speaker 2: And it's not wishing and hoping. It's not he's two

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five pounds, you know, if he can

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Speaker 2: put on twenty pounds, this guy's three sixty. If he

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Speaker 2: can lose forty pounds, this guy doesn't. These are all

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Speaker 2: six foot three, three hundred and five, three hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifteen pound guys like scheme diverse, can penetrate, can hold

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Speaker 2: up versus doubles like. These are not pretend dudes. These

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean those dudes, that's legit.

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Speaker 7: Last year's draft loaded with top tackle talent in the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's again there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: But they have you know, we call like left tackle feet.

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Speaker 5: And that's a little bit of an anomaly that last

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent, coach. And then you know, the

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Speaker 2: we're gonna be patient. You know, this is not a

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Speaker 2: earn the first pick, it wasn't given to you. So

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Speaker 2: let's let's think about where this team is and let's

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Speaker 1: With that mentality, this seems like a really good draft

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Speaker 2: Right yeah, at premium positions, and I would say, I

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Speaker 2: My goal in this draft, if if I'm a team

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Speaker 5: I mean to ask you something structurally, just the way

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Speaker 3: This thing when we started putting this together. Every year

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Speaker 5: You know, I've done it a while, So of you,

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Speaker 5: Just pod wise? Number wise two through five too through?

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Speaker 5: Where do you think that is?

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Speaker 2: I think to me, the sweet spot of this draft

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Speaker 2: I have is like a sixty three grade. That's just

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Speaker 2: It's like, well, I don't represent a team, so I

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Speaker 2: can't tell you if I'd rather have the six three

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Speaker 2: they're all the they're literally all the same grade. They're

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Speaker 2: all starters you're not gonna have to replace. Might not

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Speaker 2: dependable players. Twenty to seventy in this draft. You can

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Speaker 5: But that's a great answer when redt and I start

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Speaker 5: putting our national one together, that's kind of what.

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Speaker 3: You look at.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you look at you go, Okay, this is a

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, I don't. I think you're gonna get altitude

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Daniel, is that why when we get to around

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Speaker 7: They are not you know what's.

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Speaker 2: Going to happen. I already know what's going to happen,

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Speaker 2: and this is not this. I guarantee this is going

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Speaker 2: he was not on anybody's top fifty, and then we go,

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Speaker 2: but you know what, he's my fifty third player and

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Speaker 2: I had at twenty. So it's just flavor. It's just

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Speaker 1: Yep, Daniel Jeremiah. We so appreciate you taking the time

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Speaker 2: I need you to not pick number one next year.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing.

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Speaker 3: That's the goal, you know, that's our goal to.

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Speaker 2: We go back to talk about who's going to fall

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Speaker 2: to us. That's what we need to do next. There

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Charles Davis joins us here on the OTP. Charles, we

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Speaker 1: always love catching up with you in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 4: It's great to see you all, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Lovely to see you. We want to get your thoughts

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Speaker 1: right off the bat on. Travis Hunter, Yeah, play both

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Speaker 8: You know, I don't know if it's advantageous as much

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Speaker 8: how they see him. Yeah, right, Do I want him

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Speaker 8: I just think that the idea that he's going to

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Speaker 8: I don't want to use the word folly, but let's

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Speaker 8: It's a whole different game. I will say this, I'm

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Speaker 8: People don't come for me because I meant it as

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Speaker 8: away from him. If Gordy had played and we were

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Speaker 8: doing it at this pace, he would have done it

438
00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,640
Speaker 8: at that pace. He just it's just it's a different,

439
00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,120
Speaker 8: different deal. I just don't see him playing full time

440
00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,400
Speaker 8: both ways. Maybe some packages one way or the other.

441
00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,160
Speaker 8: But I think they're gonna want to specialize in one.

442
00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,720
Speaker 8: Isaiah Simmons is the name always comes to mind for me.

443
00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,439
Speaker 8: He wasn't a two way player, remember him coming out

444
00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,880
Speaker 8: of clumpson sure, but but but he was the one

445
00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,080
Speaker 8: that we can play him here, We can play him here,

446
00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,000
Speaker 8: and we can play him here and he hasn't played

447
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:52,680
Speaker 8: anywhere yet.

448
00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:53,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, what is he?

449
00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:54,399
Speaker 3: And that was a.

450
00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,840
Speaker 8: Jack of all trades, master of none, couldn't settle in

451
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Speaker 8: one spot. I would want to get Travis Settles.

452
00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,240
Speaker 7: Well, let me ask you about Travis for a second,

453
00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,119
Speaker 7: because the receiver part of it intrigues me. The one

454
00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,000
Speaker 7: thing I want to see him do this week is

455
00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,320
Speaker 7: run the gauntlet. Yeah yeah, I think we all do,

456
00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,560
Speaker 7: and I think he'll do it well. If he doesn't, I.

457
00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,800
Speaker 4: Think we all just want to see those things right now.

458
00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,760
Speaker 8: He's such an exceptional athlete that he's beating people off

459
00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,480
Speaker 8: of those things. Now, when you go up and coach

460
00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,639
Speaker 8: Max drawing up defense for you, and he's got some

461
00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,400
Speaker 8: cats out there, especially when you call that cat defense.

462
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,000
Speaker 4: You got that cat, I got that cat.

463
00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,919
Speaker 8: Then we're gonna see some things right see what he

464
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,760
Speaker 8: has to go along with it. I'm not betting against him.

465
00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,040
Speaker 8: I'm just saying the refinement part of it, because when

466
00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,600
Speaker 8: you go both ways and your practicing, but you can't

467
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,800
Speaker 8: do everything right everything, something's gonna slip. And when I

468
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,359
Speaker 8: say slip, meaning you just don't have enough time to

469
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,720
Speaker 8: hammer everything down. And he's such a great athlete on

470
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,880
Speaker 8: that level, he's gonna win those battles anyway.

471
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Speaker 7: Who are you looking forward to seeing test numbers that

472
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,800
Speaker 7: validate and confirm what the film has shown? Oh boy?

473
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:02,680
Speaker 7: Give me a couple of days.

474
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:02,920
Speaker 5: Questions.

475
00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 4: Well, that's a really good question. I want to see.

476
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,120
Speaker 8: I want to see what Mason Graham does from from

477
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 8: from Michigan and testing, because when I watch him come

478
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,919
Speaker 8: off on his garbage, man, those hands hit people in

479
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,920
Speaker 8: the chest and people go flying backwards, and he's got

480
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 8: a great low center of gravity. And I said, wrestler, right, yeah,

481
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,960
Speaker 8: wrestler shocker right right, Coach Max Chacker, He's one that

482
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 8: I want to see because he flat out doesn't look

483
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 8: it like when he walks around here, you're not gonna

484
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 8: sit there and go that's the two time All American

485
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:32,359
Speaker 8: and what have you. Like.

486
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Speaker 4: He doesn't present that way.

487
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 8: But I can't wait to watch and see because when

488
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 8: I watch him play, he's more than a handful.

489
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 6: Now.

490
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,119
Speaker 5: He's more twitched up there, yeah way, and he looks

491
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 5: in the flesh.

492
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,280
Speaker 3: He's more twitched up on the field.

493
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Speaker 8: There's no question about it. I mean, I'm just watching people.

494
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,400
Speaker 8: It's like, okay, good luck dealing with that, folks. Yeah,

495
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 8: you know absolutely, And I will say this, this is

496
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 8: just a little bit off the thing. What's the kid

497
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Speaker 8: that's out there? Taka Hemingway, Yep, I'm tind to watch

498
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 8: him work out because when I watched those plays with

499
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 8: the wildcat plays and things of that, he's catching wildcat

500
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 8: snaps and normally those big guys they catch them and

501
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 8: we're going forward and we're creating a pile. My man

502
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 8: sidestepping and evading and throwing a leg out and taking

503
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Speaker 8: it away.

504
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,360
Speaker 4: And I want to see this. He jumped cuts. We're

505
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 4: not jump cutting. I want to see this.

506
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,719
Speaker 7: I'm not talking about JJ pegee and a and a

507
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 7: full back package and toush push type deal.

508
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 4: Here they're about to talk for hemingway and shot. He

509
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 4: caught one on a fake punt and he was fully covered.

510
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 4: Coach my man.

511
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 3: My man was like, this had to hand in the basket,

512
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 3: right If my man threw out.

513
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 4: A paw and holding in, that's like I got to

514
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 4: see this kid.

515
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 5: How about receivers. Let us look at receivers a little

516
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 5: bit because we don't we don't talk receivers much. Uh,

517
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 5: you know, because everybody's focused in on the quarterbacks and

518
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 5: everybody's focused in. This is a big man draft, Yeah

519
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 5: it is. You know that you know that you've done.

520
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 5: You're gonna be on air for a hunt hours.

521
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 3: I mean but the big Man is meat and potatoes.

522
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 4: Drive.

523
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, the big Man is what it's going to be.

524
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 5: How about how about And I'm gonna go down the

525
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 5: line here, Ratt and I've already got our first vertical.

526
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 3: I like it for you, so we'll we'll open this up.

527
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 4: I'm finding Nashville and getting in on that next meeting.

528
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 3: Come on, come on, Jayden Higgins from Iowa State.

529
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, Eastern Kentucky kid.

530
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 3: That's that's why I wanted you to hit on him.

531
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Speaker 8: Eastern Kentucky kid. Walt Wells had him Walt Wells at

532
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 8: Old Tennessee Vall. Walt Walt had him, had a nice

533
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 8: chance to talk with Wall loves the kid, loves everything

534
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 8: about him.

535
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 4: Says he's he's a full on.

536
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 8: Worker, know you know what to him and just knew

537
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 8: he was too good there that he needed to go

538
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 8: and and imply his craft. Said he's got everything you're

539
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 8: looking for. The biggest thing is the fifty to fifty ball. Yeah,

540
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 8: he'll go get it.

541
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: Which it's becoming this league.

542
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 4: This is it's hard to start to get away from.

543
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 3: People with guys that the guys that have that kind

544
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 3: of length.

545
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 5: It's it's throw it up there games to throw it

546
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 5: up their game now, and you know that. I mean

547
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 5: you've played, You've played the defensive back part of it,

548
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 5: and you know that if.

549
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 8: They see the back of your head, right, coach, it's

550
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 8: coming up. They're throwing it because they're coming up.

551
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 3: Jalen Royals, Yeah, I.

552
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 8: Saw him at the We all saw him at the

553
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 8: Senior ball right Utah State. I liked him a lot.

554
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 8: He was a guy that you know, coming in, I

555
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 8: was like, Okay, here we go. And then every day

556
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 8: I went on, he's pretty he's pretty good.

557
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 4: You know. I don't know that he's a blazer.

558
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: I don't think he is.

559
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 4: I don't think he's a blazer. He's open, but he's open.

560
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 4: You know.

561
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 8: It's kind of I'm trying to think of who I'm

562
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 8: relating that to Higgins a little bit that way that

563
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 8: I think Higgins is faster.

564
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 4: He's faster, I think, but Royals, he's just he just

565
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 4: find a way. You know, I'll tell you who it was.

566
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 4: The kid at Arkansas.

567
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: Teslaw Teslau, Yes, yeah.

568
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 4: Did he just keep making plays?

569
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 8: Remember he got the lead invite to the Senior Ball

570
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 8: and then as a week went on, right, every time

571
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 8: he turned around, said, did.

572
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 4: He just catch another one?

573
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 8: He's just open, and he's just open. And when he

574
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 8: wasn't open, he created himself.

575
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 3: Every time I see guys like this, By.

576
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 4: The way, Hillsdale College originally law see where we are now.

577
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 5: But that's that's the truth, right, every time I see

578
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 5: guys like this, and of course I can't help but

579
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 5: go back to my personal experiences. I mean, I can't

580
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 5: count the number of people that when I was making

581
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 5: a decision, I sat with, you know, I really like

582
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 5: this bolding kid.

583
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 3: Coach, you can't run. Coach, you can't, I said, he's open.

584
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 8: So so so what does that mean for the others?

585
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 8: But he's open, he can't run anyway. If he can't run,

586
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 8: what do they do it?

587
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: We mentioned as we're talking about receivers, we have mentioned

588
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: there's no big names, but there's still a lot of

589
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: good talent in there. How beneficial is that going to be?

590
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: As this draft goes on?

591
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 4: It's gonna be very beneficial.

592
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 8: I've said it for years now, and I think I'm

593
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 8: right on this one. If we're gonna keep playing the

594
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 8: game the way we're playing it every year, there's gonna

595
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 8: be a lot of receivers. Now, will some be more

596
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 8: sexier than others, Yes, But every you're gonna get a

597
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 8: bunch of receivers are gonna come into the league and play.

598
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 8: That's why I'm always telling guys, if you're the fourth

599
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 8: receiver on your team, why don't you learn to backpedal

600
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 8: because you have much better opportunity to make it numbers,

601
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 8: flip it around, find something right because somebody got covered

602
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 8: these guys. Somebody's got to be present themselves for these guys.

603
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 8: Go try and do that. Terry McDaniel, how I played

604
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 8: with the Tennessee is a phenomenal example. He was a receiver,

605
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 8: he couldn't get any traction. Guess what he became an

606
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 8: all pro corner.

607
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, figured it.

608
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: Out, Charles.

609
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 7: We saw Jack Besh steal the show in the Senior Bowl,

610
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 7: and what a wonderful moment. You know, he's named MVP

611
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 7: a month to the day. Yeah, when his brother Tiger

612
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 7: tragically passed away in New Orleans. But there was a

613
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 7: lot of guys I think got lost down there, and

614
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 7: I know that you were a big part of the

615
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 7: broadcast and all the things down there. I want you

616
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 7: to give me some stuff on Elkiam man Or from Stanford.

617
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 8: I wanted to see him. I was excited to see him,

618
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 8: and then he left early. He left early. But when

619
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 8: you watch him play, you can see why he got invited.

620
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 8: And by the way, it's not like Canada isn't giving

621
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 8: us receivers. I know that Clay has kind of flamed out.

622
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 8: Remembers rookie year in.

623
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 4: Good right, Joshua Palmer, as a Canadian kid, came down

624
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 4: and has played well.

625
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 8: So we're getting guys who you know, the athletes are

626
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 8: around and available, and that's what I think about him.

627
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 8: But I really wanted him around because in his bio

628
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 8: his mother was an arm wrestler as a kid. Now

629
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 8: you remember two years ago with Beijing. That's see, this

630
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 8: is just stop him.

631
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 5: Remember this is why when you sit down and you

632
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 5: listen and you sit with had so many of these

633
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 5: conversations with Charles Davis, stuff comes up that nobody else

634
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 5: knows go.

635
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 8: So you remember we were all there with Tyson Baijey,

636
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 8: his dad, right, the dad over saving all week right,

637
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 8: worked the mic like a WWE guy and our guy,

638
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 8: our guy, Tom Pelisaro got up there and that's one

639
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 8: of the funniest things I've ever seen, because because the

640
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 8: guy was working the mike, he's like, oh, just go

641
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 8: ahead and submit, man, it's easier for you if you

642
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 8: just just let it happen, right. And so Tom was

643
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 8: there and I said, Tom, this is the kid you've

644
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 8: got to get. And I said, if you read the

645
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 8: bio on him, he said no, And I told him

646
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 8: about the mom. He said, oh my god, he said,

647
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 8: you're trying to set me up. Get beat up again.

648
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 4: I said, yes, I am, Yes, I didn't care for it.

649
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 4: And then the kid left.

650
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 8: But it was too bad because he, you know, he

651
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 8: he put up some performances.

652
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 4: Now who is that that he chewed up? I think

653
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 4: it was Colorado.

654
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 8: Colorado absolutely just just chewed them up, like to way

655
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 8: over to like fifteen catches that night, and they upset

656
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 8: Colorado that day.

657
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: Yes, they did.

658
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 7: So Mom should be armor man or yeah.

659
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 4: I mean, I was just reading the bio. I was

660
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 4: on the floor. I was like, oh my god, I've

661
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 4: got to meet her.

662
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 7: All right, let's go up to defense for a moment,

663
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 7: because you were defensive back and Titans haven't.

664
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 4: Led, Yes, you were. The Titans haven't eat at safety.

665
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 7: There are some nice safety I mean we know about

666
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 7: Malachi Starks and Nick mm and worry.

667
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 4: Actually throw some guys down, go ahead.

668
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 7: There's some guys towards the middle rounds of this that

669
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 7: I think are are beneficial, especially to the Titans.

670
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 4: And you know, I liked Upton Stout from Western Kentucky.

671
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 8: Good player, wasn't he He was good player, always around,

672
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 8: always around in the right spot. He looked under control

673
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 8: and everything that he did. I thought he was very

674
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 8: intelligent in how he went about playing the game. And

675
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 8: you know, he reminded me of a little bit and

676
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,239
Speaker 8: watching them the kid out of Maryland, Dante Trader, I

677
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 8: thought he and Stout were very similarly constructed and what

678
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 8: about their business that way? And Trader, you know, has

679
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 8: got a lacrosse background. He's a midfield guy. The midfielder

680
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 8: and lacrosse is the guy controls the action. He's essential

681
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 8: of your point guard and all that. Trader kind of

682
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 8: played that way. You could see him take it all

683
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 8: in and understand how it was going and how it's

684
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 8: gonna do. Kid was a monster recruit and played one

685
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 8: year at Maryland and I think he was like a

686
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 8: third team All American.

687
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 4: Wow, hey free darn good.

688
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, knowing up a couple of pods and notches here.

689
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, lots in maxt hook from Toledo. Oh yes,

690
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 7: maxt hooks. Yeah, Toleda.

691
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 4: You know his you know his old roommate was Quinnion Mitchell.

692
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 4: Oh there it is their boys, there, it is.

693
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: This is what people pay money for.

694
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 7: And yeah, Texas and college football playoffs. First time we

695
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 7: had a twelve team playoffs, so we had more college

696
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 7: football to digest and top guy.

697
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 4: How happy was Texas to have him at the end

698
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 4: of the end of the Arizona State game. Oh my gosh.

699
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 8: Right, yeah, but he's got he's got that ball. I mean,

700
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 8: we all say it all. He's got the ball hawk

701
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 8: ability and you saw it. I saw range, you know,

702
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 8: I saw him come over and make that play. Not

703
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 8: as good as the one that for me Kyle Hamilton

704
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 8: in that open against Florida State is still the one

705
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 8: for me.

706
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 5: Well, especially with that always talk about spatial awareness for

707
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 5: defensive back. But the thing that separates them, and we

708
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 5: all know this at this table, just is can you

709
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 5: hold your water at the catch point?

710
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 4: At the catch point, the moment of truth.

711
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 5: A lot of people get to the catch point and

712
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 5: then they can't hold their water.

713
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 4: That panic, that panic.

714
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: That bucket empties, and it's it's over.

715
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 8: That panic's high, and that's when that's when you run

716
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 8: into people and there it is flags out there.

717
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 3: It is.

718
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 4: But those guys can hang in there. Yeah, I know

719
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 4: who fascinating I never once told.

720
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 7: You I'm fascinated by. You know, obviously Kevin Winston junior

721
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 7: at Penn State is the guy. And then injury comes in.

722
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 7: Here's Jalen Reed, who's basically a slot corner. They move

723
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 7: him to full time safety. And what does he do.

724
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 7: He led the team in tackles. He led the team

725
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 7: in picks. That's a value pick.

726
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 8: They're doing something right there, because I know they can't

727
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 8: beat Ohio State and people are flipping out. And I

728
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 8: say the same thing to Penn State people all the time,

729
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 8: said I know, I know, I know, tell me who's

730
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 8: beating Ohio State exactly. I mean, you guys are acting

731
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 8: like this is the worst thing ever. You're acting like

732
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 8: you're losing too. You know Penn State right right right

733
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 8: that you're losing to you know, Penn State, Harrisburg. No,

734
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 8: this is Ohio State.

735
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 4: This is tough to do. But look at the players

736
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 4: that are coming out. Brisker came out of there as

737
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 4: a safety not too long ago.

738
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 8: Who's the kid with with San Francisco Brown Brown?

739
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 4: Another safety comes out of there.

740
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 8: They they've done a really nice jobs as you would expect,

741
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 8: coaching kids, putting them in the right spots, the whole deal.

742
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 8: And then when kids get their opportunities, those who want it,

743
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 8: they jump on and off they go. Because you remember

744
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 8: Kevin King came out of there, the corner who we

745
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 8: thought might have been a first round or two years prior,

746
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 8: turned out to be a seventh rounder. But guess what,

747
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 8: he's in the league and he's playing.

748
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: He's still on the bus.

749
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 4: He's on the bus and he's still coach. Coach, you

750
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 4: wrote him in for your fifth.

751
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's still on the bus.

752
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 5: Still there. The other school that that does that in

753
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 5: the secondary that year after year after year is Iowa.

754
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 4: Oh my god, ye Phil Parker.

755
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 5: Phil Parker for years and you just start watching his

756
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 5: guys and you know, let's go to the SEC real quick.

757
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 3: About the Harrison kid, Maxwell Harrison from Kentucky.

758
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 8: Oh Man, we got him, thank god we got him

759
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 8: at the Senior Bowl because you know, he was hurt

760
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 8: a lot of this year, so that's why we got

761
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 8: to see it mad Max and he had such a

762
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 8: good week.

763
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 4: He did what we get at the Senior Bowl. He

764
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 4: got the Senior Bowl flew on Friday and we didn't

765
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 4: see him in the game, but he did. He was

766
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 4: he did what he did. He stepped out. He was good,

767
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 4: he was good coaching. The build on him seems very slender,

768
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 4: but he's stacked. But he's stacked.

769
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: He stacked. Uh, I'm looking forward because you know, of

770
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 3: course I'm still countries.

771
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 4: He's like those country kids that you don't mess with.

772
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: No, he's like those wiry.

773
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 5: Ones.

774
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 4: They will don't mess with. Call quiet wire.

775
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: If your description is wire rope, that's what you're looking for.

776
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 3: That wire rope. You know they make restraining things on

777
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: the highway.

778
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 4: Yet a bad day, I.

779
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 3: Think you're looking for. I think he's going to run

780
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: a really good time.

781
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 4: Me too, Me too?

782
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 8: And and did you spend it did you get to

783
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 8: spend a little time around him? No, he's he's got

784
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 8: a nice person out that's infectious. You know, he's one

785
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 8: of those kids and as a corner.

786
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 4: You need that.

787
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: Charles.

788
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 7: The one thing, one of the many things that Brian

789
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 7: Callahan said at the end of the year at his

790
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 7: closing presser, we have to find the right tackle. Give

791
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 7: me a couple of names that you're watching this week

792
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 7: that might be able to help the type.

793
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 8: All right, well, I'm glad you brought that up because

794
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 8: actually wrote down of a couple of them. The kid

795
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 8: from Minnesota, Okay, Emory Jones, a l s U. We

796
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 8: got to see him. I want to see what they

797
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 8: do for all of you. Marcus bow from Purdue, He's

798
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 8: gonna be a guard or tackle, and then that's what

799
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 8: they're that's what they're trying to figure o. Everybody bump

800
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 8: him inside that week, but it's play tackle for a

801
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 8: lot of his college career. And the kid at North

802
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 8: Carolina State who was a left tackle, Anthony belt Belton.

803
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 8: I think you can move him over to the right

804
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 8: tackle and be just fine. I like, I don't think

805
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 8: that's three sixty now. You want you want to you

806
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 8: want a monster because I think coach would have a

807
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 8: ball trying to figure out what to.

808
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 4: Do with him.

809
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know how good a player he is,

810
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 8: but hinting from Michigan, Michigan with that bloodline, that program,

811
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 8: I would think hard about moving him inside and making

812
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 8: him just a massive guard at three forty two, three

813
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 8: forty five. I would think hard about doing that if

814
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 8: I'm a team that wants to beat people up inside.

815
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you're look, you've been doing this for a minute.

816
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 3: You're spot on. That's exactly what's going to.

817
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 4: Happen, right, That's where he's going in the coach.

818
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 5: But you look at the guys that have moved inside

819
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 5: in this league, and especially the way it's going now

820
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 5: with people starting to run a lot more pinning pool

821
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 5: stuff and a lot.

822
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: More just knock aball. I mean, you know how trends go.

823
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, it's real now, it's now, it's it's it's

824
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 6: going that way because people are attacking the cylinder now

825
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 6: at that center guard triangle.

826
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 3: You need dudes in there.

827
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 8: So let me ask you this coach when he wakes

828
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 8: up in the morning, did he ever think that Makai Beckton,

829
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 8: did he ever think in his life that he would

830
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 8: give thanks that they moved him inside to God?

831
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: The answer is absolutely not.

832
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 8: And now if you tried to move him back to tackle, no, no,

833
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 8: they'll fight you to the death.

834
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 7: This is the same guy as a jet that wore

835
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 7: the shirt that said.

836
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 4: I am a left Yeah. Adamantly, his career has been,

837
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 4: his career has changed. It changed his whole life, changed,

838
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 4: his whole life.

839
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 8: And he's gonna make a bunch of Money's gonna make

840
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 8: a lot of money. He's gonna be a ten year veteran.

841
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 8: Now he's already got one ring and he's gonna, you know,

842
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 8: compete for more. But everything changed for him because he

843
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 8: was he was this closed to bouncing and everybody was

844
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 8: done with it. They brought him in to be a

845
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 8: swing tackle.

846
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 5: Very close to bouncing right, and not only a swing tackle,

847
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 5: a maybe guy, a maybe swing tackle.

848
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 3: He's got a front seat on the bus.

849
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 4: They brought him in to compete for the swing tackle spot.

850
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 8: A former first round nothing again for nothing, and now he.

851
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 4: Does start whatever, nothing wrong with it.

852
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 8: I'll leave it at this, guys, because I'm taking you

853
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 8: way too far. But Robert Gallery, coach, hey, right, because

854
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 8: because the problem was, especially way back when we were

855
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 8: doing it, then if you drafted a guy at left tackle,

856
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 8: where he had to be, and if he didn't make

857
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 8: it at left tackle, then he was a bust. And

858
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 8: Robert Gallery was not a bust. No, they moved inside

859
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 8: the guard. He was a ten year veteran guard who's

860
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 8: a really good football player. Probably should have been a

861
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 8: guard from day one, but we drafted him at left

862
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 8: tackle at number six overall and everything changed.

863
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 3: Nothing to changes with you, man.

864
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 4: It's so great to see you guys.

865
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for a little bit.

866
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 4: This is awesome. I wish I could just stay here.

867
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 4: You can go off all these We're just staying here.

868
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 4: We're not going anywhere else. This is it. You tell

869
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 4: everybody else. I'm done.

870
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,240
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