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Speaker 1: get an idea of him. Yeah, he's the total country kid.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as simple as they come. Doesn't need for much,

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Speaker 1: you know. Uh, he's certainly a leader. He's got quarterback

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Speaker 1: all over him, He's got all those characteristics. However, he's

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Speaker 1: a kind of uh so when I played with John

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Speaker 1: the lineman and like defensive players. No quarterback I've ever

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Speaker 1: more comfortable in the back of the bus, in the

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Speaker 1: middle or uh, sitting next to a couple of defensive backs,

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Speaker 1: right and uh just kind of uh a little chatter here,

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Speaker 1: a little question there, But you're just being one of

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Speaker 1: the guys. He's a one of the guys. Quarterback guys

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Speaker 1: like playing for guys like that. Interesting, I mean, just

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Speaker 1: to go off of that a little bit, we is

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Speaker 1: that something you said that's rare? I mean, you as

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Speaker 1: a player like that when you saw that from John Ellie.

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Speaker 1: Obviously he's a Hall of Fame talent, but he likes

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Speaker 1: that personality. Yeah, he made himself fit in. He wanted

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Speaker 1: to be looked at as with you, not uh separate

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Speaker 1: from you because my job responsibilities are much of different

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Speaker 1: and they are uh. But yeah, he was intentional about

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Speaker 1: like fitting in, making sure lines of communication were open,

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Speaker 1: and he had the heartbeat of his offense, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. So I kind of like the posture

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Speaker 1: that Lamar has because it's uh in alignment with that

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Speaker 1: very thing. Interesting all right, Now, this is that our

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Speaker 1: last question? Just what if you could say the one

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Speaker 1: piece of advice, like one line or whatever, that is

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Speaker 1: the most important thing that you want to convey to

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Speaker 1: not only rookies but just NFL players, because we talked

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Speaker 1: a lot about rookies, but you handle all of that too.

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Speaker 1: It's one piece of advice that you give most often

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Speaker 1: to an NFL player. Probably number one is you make

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Speaker 1: the league. You make the league. You make the league.

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Speaker 1: There is no NFL without NFL players, And so I

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Speaker 1: really want players to get an idea that uh uh

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Speaker 1: so goes the players, so goes the league. And it's

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Speaker 1: been like that ever since I was a rookie, and

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Speaker 1: so it was a paramount that as a young player

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Speaker 1: that I grow uh and become a leader on my

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Speaker 1: team and my huddle on my offense. Uh a rough

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Speaker 1: leader doing like labor strife times. Uh somebody that new

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Speaker 1: policy because there was no player in game it so

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Speaker 1: players had to take responsible ReLU for the policies that

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Speaker 1: they needed to know and the ones that they wanted.

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Speaker 1: And uh So I like to look at players like,

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Speaker 1: as they own the league, the league will be better

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Speaker 1: off as they take responsibility for the things that happen

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Speaker 1: and the things that are said, Uh, they really end

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Speaker 1: up being player engagement guys for each other. The league

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Speaker 1: will be better off. And from my perspective, the league

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Speaker 1: has grown pretty good because of some young twenties something

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Speaker 1: year old since I've been in the league. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: Harry Swain, thank you so much. I appreciate you. Yes, well,

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Speaker 1: thanks to Harry. Really good stuff from him in the interview. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm glad that the rookies trust us. We

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Speaker 1: found that that was the most imporant piece of the interview. Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 1: But you know, Harry's got a tough job, man. I

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Speaker 1: mean a lot of players. We walked by his office

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Speaker 1: and players are in there talking with him about any

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Speaker 1: variety of issues. I mean, the number of different things

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Speaker 1: that players can have that are issues that they come

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Speaker 1: and want to talk to Harry about is wide range.

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Speaker 1: And he's got to be somebody that's trusted and he is.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's players have to be able to trust

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Speaker 1: him to bring personal issues, challenging questions and uh, he

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Speaker 1: definitely you know, where's that where's that hat? Probably? Yes, exactly. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: that's it. Thanks for listening to our episode of the lounge.

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Speaker 1: I will be out next week. Maybe this is maybe

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Speaker 1: that's when I get Aussie, when you're gone, maybe you're

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Speaker 1: the whole that's not happen. I'm gonna have to talk

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Speaker 1: to Ozzy and let him know, Hey, makes out of

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Speaker 1: the building next week. This is the week to do it.

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Speaker 1: Knock it out now. I'll kill you anyway. Thanks for listening,

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Speaker 1: and uh I guess Garrett will be back.