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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: nor with you. Clint Arthur, back with us after ten years.

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Speaker 1: The graduate of the Warden Business School believes in simply

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Speaker 1: going for it, living each day to the fullest, as

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Speaker 1: well as believing in yourself and especially if you are afraid,

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Speaker 1: then you must. His book is called Wisdom of the Men.

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Speaker 1: This is his latest work. It's a Poser Prize nominated work.

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Speaker 1: And Clint, welcome back ten years. Oh, it's so great

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Speaker 1: to hear your voice and be back on the show again. George,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for bringing me on. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: what a treat and reading your book to turn to

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Speaker 1: it and see a little coverage about our show and

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Speaker 1: us and what we do. Thank you for that. Well,

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Speaker 1: your show was so instrumental in this book, because you know,

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Speaker 1: when I started out, I had this experience of living

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Speaker 1: like I was going to die. You remember the last

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Speaker 1: I remember that, and you know I was on your

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Speaker 1: show three times and it really launched that program. And

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Speaker 1: I lived as if I was going to be dying

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Speaker 1: at the end of the year for many years and

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Speaker 1: a lot of people from this show, A lot of

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Speaker 1: the listeners from this show were joining me on that experience.

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Speaker 1: So you know, the Coast to Coast is part of

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Speaker 1: my DNA and part of who I am today, and

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Speaker 1: that's why I was very happy to include you and

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Speaker 1: my experience on the show in the book. You know,

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Speaker 1: And you know what's really fascinating is that you're one

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Speaker 1: of the five Georges in the book. I'd say George

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Speaker 1: is the most special name. If you want to be

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Speaker 1: a smart guy and be included in my book Wisdom

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Speaker 1: of the Man, I have you. I have George Clooney,

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Speaker 1: George Bush, George Hamilton, and there's one more George, George Ross.

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Speaker 1: George Ross. Yes, Donald Trump's attorney, George Ross. So you know,

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Speaker 1: five Georges in this book, more than any other name.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward into this, by the way, and congratulations

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Speaker 1: on the Pulitzer Prize nomination. Thank you. It's it's really

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Speaker 1: exciting for me because, first of all, I started out

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Speaker 1: in high school studying with a man named Frank McCord.

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Speaker 1: You may recall his book won the Pulitzer Prize in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. It was called Angela's Ashes and he

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Speaker 1: on the back of that book about his impoverished childhood

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Speaker 1: in Ireland. And he inspired me and everyone at our

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Speaker 1: high school, and it was a public high school in

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Speaker 1: a few years ago I was I was sitting down

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Speaker 1: to write my list of goals for the decade. And

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Speaker 1: by the end of this decade. And here I wrote

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Speaker 1: this book. I've been preparing to write it for seven years.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's been ten years since I've been on

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Speaker 1: this show. Seven of those years I've been getting ready

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Speaker 1: for the Pulitzer Prize. And it's very, very exciting, and

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Speaker 1: that this book can help a lot of people, and

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Speaker 1: hopefully we're going to help a lot of people tonight

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Speaker 1: to prepare for the dangers and the vagaries, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the uncertainty that is approaching all of us and encroaching

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Speaker 1: the world. Well, your timing is fantastic for this because

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Speaker 1: you have talked about how so many people are simply

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Speaker 1: And that's how you really come alive. Now. You know,

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