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Speaker 2: having a coach, if you're getting ready for a coach,

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Speaker 2: how would you get ready? You'd watch some press conferences.

432
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Speaker 2: You know, you you just consume. And I just wonder,

433
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Speaker 2: do you think the written word is dead?

434
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Speaker 1: It's it's dead as the primary thing you're gonna do

435
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Speaker 1: from your in your career. If you want to have

436
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Speaker 1: a modern career, if you want to write about football

437
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 1: and tell five thousand word stories and do it in

438
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Speaker 1: a magazine, there's not that many jobs and you're not

439
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 1: gonna make that much money.

440
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Speaker 4: Well, because the consumer doesn't want that. That's who they

441
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Speaker 4: doesn't want. The only thing they'll want is really niche

442
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,640
Speaker 4: sub stacks with they'll pay for excuse me. They want,

443
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Speaker 4: they want, they want.

444
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Speaker 1: Listen, the customer is always right on the internet, like

445
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 1: there is a reason we're always writing with the Cowboys

446
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 1: and stuff like they want like Dak Prescott contract updates.

447
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 1: That's what they want, Okay, But what they're gonna pay

448
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 1: for is information. You have to have sports business journal

449
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 1: being great example. You know, everybody works in sports, are

450
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 1: around sports is gonna pay any amount of money because

451
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Speaker 1: they have to have it. That's why you've seen more

452
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Speaker 1: sports business publications pop up in the last few years.

453
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: Same thing with the fantasy stuff, where it's like these

454
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 1: guys who charge for guides are making money hand over fist.

455
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Speaker 2: What it's hard to charge for.

456
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Speaker 1: Is, hey, I think the Cowboys won the Super Bowl.

457
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Speaker 1: Here's ten reasons why I'd have to find an advertiser

458
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Speaker 1: if I was going to do a website like that,

459
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Speaker 1: and I'd have to have such a huge name that

460
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Speaker 1: they couldn't turn me down, and I have to put

461
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Speaker 1: so much work into it that it doesn't really it

462
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 1: probably doesn't pencil out. And so that's the reality of it.

463
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 1: And it breaks my heart because it's much everything in

464
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: the world to do writing a column off a big

465
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: game is awesome, and I will do it again. It's

466
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: just more of like it is. The incentives for me

467
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 1: at this very moment just aren't there doing a lot

468
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: of TV doing obviously the Omaha stuff, doing a couple

469
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: other things, golf broadcasts, and so I'm locked into that.

470
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Speaker 1: I am a little it feels little surerrow right now,

471
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Speaker 1: but I don't. I just think that everything changed very

472
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Speaker 1: very quickly, and I view it. People say to me, now,

473
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Speaker 1: if you were talking to a college class, would you say,

474
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Speaker 1: go into journalism? Well, people were saying don't go into

475
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Speaker 1: journalism when I was in college. I graduated in twenty ten,

476
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Speaker 1: And I think you just have to know it's a

477
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Speaker 1: really hard road, but you're gonna learn skills that can

478
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: go anywhere and you can go do a bunch of

479
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Speaker 1: different stuff. And like, as long as you're a good storyteller.

480
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Speaker 1: The thing I think is really cool, Jean, is that,

481
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Speaker 1: like in twenty twenty four, I can match the story

482
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Speaker 1: to the medium. So like I'm making this out, but

483
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Speaker 1: like let's say I wanted to do you know where

484
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Speaker 1: I went wrong for Russell Wilson, Right, all right? That

485
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Speaker 1: could be a print piece. It could also be Russ

486
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Speaker 1: and I sit down for three episodes of a podcast,

487
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: and he's bluntly honest. It could be a digital video

488
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Speaker 1: where I've got plays and I just say, this is

489
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Speaker 1: he stopped using his footwork right here, He's not as

490
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Speaker 1: much as an athlete. He didn't use the middle of the field.

491
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: It can be anything. You can tell that story in

492
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Speaker 1: so many different ways. So you mentioned like popping on YouTube.

493
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Speaker 1: I do all sorts of different stuff on YouTube. I

494
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Speaker 1: can do hardcore football talk. I do funny stuff, you know,

495
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: with well this is football with the Tuesday episodes with

496
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: these guys are just telling really funny stories. So I

497
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: just think that you can be a writer first, but

498
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Speaker 1: you can't only be a writer, and you've got to

499
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Speaker 1: take those skills and and make them diverse. Frankly.

500
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Speaker 2: I mean, I get asked constantly, and I'm sure you

501
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 2: do too from young people that like, how do I

502
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 2: get in sports? How do I get in sports? And

503
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: my past different from your path? And I went to

504
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Speaker 2: a much smaller college at cal Pauly, and that that

505
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Speaker 2: was an easy way for me to get involved in football.

506
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Speaker 2: You went to a much bigger school, the University of Miami,

507
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Speaker 2: which I would say in your profession when you got

508
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Speaker 2: to the Wall Street Journal is not probably. I mean

509
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Speaker 2: a lot of guys are going to the University of Miami,

510
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Speaker 2: right Northwestern Syracuse like other SI leagues.

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Speaker 1: I believe when I was hired with six other people

512
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Speaker 1: for the Wall Street Journal Sports expansion, I believe that

513
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Speaker 1: of all the staff writers, I was the only one

514
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Speaker 1: who did not have at least one IVY league degree.

515
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Speaker 2: Did you know going to college what you wanted to

516
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Speaker 2: do or did you develop that in college?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I knew I want to do something I

518
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Speaker 1: want to I mean, like when you're a kid, you

519
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: just want to be a sports center anchor, right, you

520
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: just want to be Keith Oberman, Dan Patrick.

521
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Speaker 2: Did you have a high school newspaper?

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Speaker 1: I wrote for it. Yeah. My parents were journalists, my

523
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Speaker 1: aunt and uncle, my grandfather was a writer, very busy.

524
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Speaker 1: My wife, my wife is yes, but I did not

525
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Speaker 1: know that in college. But yes, she worked with a

526
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Speaker 1: Wallster Journal. She is unbelievable, some one of the best

527
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Speaker 1: reporters in America. She covers CEOs. But I just realized,

528
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Speaker 1: especially to my parents, like it's a fun job, man,

529
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Speaker 1: It's a fun job. And like even if you're blogging

530
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: and it sucks, and and you're not making as much money.

531
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Speaker 1: Guess what, man, some of your friends are our tending bar.

532
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: Some of your friends are grinding and they're doing manual labor,

533
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Speaker 1: and you get to sit there and figure out if

534
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield can take the leap. And it's just such

535
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Speaker 1: a fulfilling And obviously, listen, I'd love to be a bartender.

536
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: If the music ever stops here, I'm going to right

537
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: back to bar. I'm never bartender, but I'm going right

538
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: back to a bar and just you know, putting it

539
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Speaker 1: out location. But it's just we get to do for

540
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: fun we could do for work. What everything we'll do

541
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: for fun, Like weld say in Miami, whenever we go

542
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: put Notre Dame or something, we'd say, we live where

543
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: you vacation. That's what we do. That's what you and

544
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: I do. We live where you vacation. We every day

545
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: wake up and say what are we going to do

546
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Speaker 1: about the support of football, which I think most people

547
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: would die for. And that's why I think even if

548
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: you say, all right, it's not the industry it once was, well,

549
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Speaker 1: it's still really fulfilling in a way that I think

550
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Speaker 1: it really really matters. And I've always had that North start,

551
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Speaker 1: so from the time I was like fifteen, I knew

552
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Speaker 1: exactly what I wanted to do.

553
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Speaker 2: That's cool, Okay, let's start talking a little football, Yes, sir,

554
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Speaker 2: you know one thing I was thinking is obviously the

555
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Speaker 2: rary moment it was awful. But you had a moment

556
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: last year and I rewatched the highlight of Mario Crystoball

557
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: giving the thumbs up on a run that led to

558
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: a fumble that two plays later the guy is running

559
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Speaker 2: into the end zone three point lead, where all you

560
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: had to do was kneel the ball. Is there any

561
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Speaker 2: difference of those two moments. Obviously there's more in the

562
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Speaker 2: line with Rory, but is that one of the worst

563
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Speaker 2: moments in the history of one of the most famous

564
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Speaker 2: programs in college football history.

565
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Speaker 1: It was not good. A couple of things on it.

566
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Speaker 1: I've always thought, I didn't know why I did it.

567
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Speaker 1: He's done it before he did it, And yeah, don

568
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: Chaney was down first of all, his elbows down, but

569
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Speaker 1: that that's that's no excuse. Just need the ball. Somebody

570
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: was the next day, I think on TV said to

571
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Speaker 1: me that was a fireball offense. And I said, let

572
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Speaker 1: me tell you what Mario Crista Ball is going to do.

573
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: Mario Crystal Ball is going to get such good players

574
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Speaker 1: that he's never gonna have to be in a kneel

575
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Speaker 1: down situation against Georgia Tech ever again with the one

576
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Speaker 1: score game. Okay, Like that's that's that's why you hire

577
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Speaker 1: Mario Crysta Ball. It's not it's not game management. He's Belichick,

578
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: he's not Irvan Meyer. He's none of those guys. Okay,

579
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: he's he understands how to recruit and develop talent, and

580
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: he gets really big guys and he turns them into

581
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: NFL guys and big humans. When I say big guys,

582
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: I mean big humans in terns of in the NFL guys.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is. I was flustered at that whole thing,

584
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: and I think there's some He was asked about whether

585
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: or not he was trying to get Don Cheney one

586
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: hundred yards, et cetera, et cetera. I thought it was

587
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: just a brain fart, and I don't. I still really

588
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: believe in the director of that program, just because you

589
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: know this, like, if you've got a credible coach in

590
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Speaker 1: a place where there are players, you will win and

591
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: that's Florida, Florida State, Miami, LSU, Alabama, USC. If that

592
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: ever gets off the ground in a meaningful way, if

593
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: you can go in there and recruit your tail off,

594
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: you will win. And so I'm still bullish on them.

595
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I hope it's I hope it's

596
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: this year. The kneeling thing. You want to mention the

597
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: Rory thing, I actually thought it was more like a

598
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: like a Gary Anderson kick. I also loved with the

599
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Speaker 1: Rory thing. He had made the season four hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty sixty eight at a four hundred and sixty eight

601
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Speaker 1: three foot putts this year and he missed that one

602
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Speaker 1: on sixteen. I think the eighteen one was a little

603
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: longer than that. But like that was just like a

604
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: chip shot, so people were comparing it to the Vikings

605
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: Seahawks chip shot. Remember a couple of years ago and

606
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Speaker 1: Blair Walsh player WATSH when they were playing at the

607
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Speaker 1: Eurosity of Minnesota, and he just for whatever reason just

608
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: sent it into nowhere, like you have to make the putt.

609
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: And I saw rom today was like, it's a much

610
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Speaker 1: harder putt then it looks well, then make it on

611
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Speaker 1: sixteen when it was a gimme. I think we're I

612
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Speaker 1: think we're putting way too much effort into relitigating eighteen

613
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: and that putt rather than just understanding. And this is

614
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Speaker 1: the whole thing, right like England was. In Jimmy Johnson's book,

615
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: he talks about how John Gruden always us to talk

616
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: about the catch in San Francisco, and he'd say, everybody

617
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: talks about the catch. Everybody talks that, nobody talks about

618
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: San Fransco's fourth quarter pass rush because if it wasn't

619
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Speaker 1: for the San Francsco's fourth quarter pass rush, there is

620
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Speaker 1: no catch. And I think you always look at those

621
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Speaker 1: sort of things, and it's like with Rory, it was

622
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: you could tell just a little mistake after a little mistake,

623
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Speaker 1: and Bryce was doing the same thing. He got up

624
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Speaker 1: and down in eighteen and so it was a really

625
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: funny thing just to see how that all interconnected, very

626
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Speaker 1: football asque you could argue.

627
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Speaker 2: And I was thinking about this the last couple of days,

628
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: watching Mahomes or Josh Allen throw for six touchdowns or

629
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: Steph Curry going for fifty. It's a remarkable thing to

630
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: what witness an absolute choke job or just a disastrous

631
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: moment in sports is probably the most captivating TV twenty

632
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: eight to three, Russell Wilson's interception, you know, the Miami moment.

633
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Speaker 2: You could argue that is by far Rory's miss Pott,

634
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: you know, John Vander. There's nothing more riveting than just

635
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: unimplote the Warriors three to one, then implosion in sports,

636
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: cause it's it's the ultimate reality TV, and you're like,

637
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: this cannot be happening, this cannot be happening, and then

638
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 2: it does well.

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00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: I think golf is a different deal because very rarely

640
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: the NBA players get the same exact look that a

641
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: guy in a LA Fitness run would get. Maybe if

642
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: he literally has a wide open layup, you just have

643
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: to put it on the backboard. You're good. Like even

644
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: the Patrick Ewing missed layup. We're not making that, Like

645
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: we're not going through traffic. You know that, we're not

646
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: doing that. And so with golf, it's so different because

647
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: you and I know how it feels, we know how

648
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: it feels. And like I actually thought the other day

649
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: that I was playing this really nice course on Long

650
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: Island a couple of years ago, and I was just

651
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, bars and birdies, pars and birdies in the

652
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: back nine needed to come up strong on the on

653
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: eighteen and I just topped it, topped it, and I

654
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: literally had to remove myself from the whole lost the match.

655
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: And like, we know what that feels like. And so

656
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: when we see someone like Rory over a four foot

657
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: putt that you and I make and he can't make it,

658
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: we know it's mental. We know it's mental. And that's

659
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: the funniest thing. It's not mechanics. Like even like I

660
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: remember when Jake Knapp was winning his first tournament a

661
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: couple of months ago.

662
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: Oh, I bet on it, I won, there you go.

663
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: But like he starts off on Sunday and he can't

664
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: find the fairway and it was so obvious that he

665
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: wasn't using his lower body at all. It was all hands.

666
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: He was not doing what you and I do. And

667
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: it's just funny to process that in golf and be like, oh,

668
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: I know what he's doing, whereas in every other in football,

669
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. Mahomes drifting too far to his right,

670
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: What the hell is that man? You know, Like it's

671
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: just so different. Golf is the relatable sport. I'd say

672
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: probably maybe tennis too, but you're just it's a different

673
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: It's just a completely different gravity there. So I just

674
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: golf is a different. Watching someone choking golf is so

675
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: painful because we've been there. No one is clutching golf.

676
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. And in football I talked to Jeff Schwartz about this,

677
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: Like in the Miami situation, most people are not blaming

678
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: the running back. Like fumbles happen, sometimes you blame the coach, right,

679
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: think Seattle Pete, what are we doing calling a pass

680
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: play twenty eight to three? Kyle run the ball? Which

681
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: is a little unfair. I mean, the head coach could

682
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: have easily told him, Uh, you know, we just in football,

683
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: think about the Ravens, who they never were in the lead,

684
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: but they were the heavy favorite going in that game.

685
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: It's like, what are you guys doing? Todd Munkin got

686
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: more of the heat than Lamar that. That's what's crazy

687
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 2: about the sport, which to me makes football so interesting,

688
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 2: is it's not just the players that are the main characters.

689
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: The coaches and the coordinators. You could argue in the

690
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: television show that is the sport are a huge play

691
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: a huge role. Are main characters?

692
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: Great great point Todd Monkin. Have you seen the stat

693
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: about the NFT title game with light boxes? Have you

694
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: seen it? No?

695
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: I have not. I don't even want you've never heard

696
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 2: a game. I can't believe he didn't run the ball.

697
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: What are we doing?

698
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: If you've never heard it, it's gonna stop being the track.

699
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: So the Ravens ran thirty eight plays against light boxes

700
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: in the ANFT Title against just late light boxes, thirty

701
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: eight place. How many of those thirty eight did they

702
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: drop back to pass? Well?

703
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: It had? I looked at the box score the other day.

704
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: Lamar only had eight runs and I would imagine three

705
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: or four of those were on scramble, so eighty percent

706
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: of them.

707
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, thirty seven thirty seven of thirty eight.

708
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: So basically ninety seven percent or something.

709
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: Ninety seven percent. He had one, well, Carrie where they

710
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: were like, we're gonna, hey, there's a light boxer, been

711
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: to take advantage of that. And that to me is

712
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: almost like the Roary thing, where it's like Todd Monkin

713
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: got in his head and he couldn't get out of

714
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: his head. And I think that, and I think he's

715
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: gonna do better from that, because I just don't think

716
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: you can do any worse. You're gonna understand that can

717
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: just be a Lamar passing master class. It can't be

718
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: a running master class. It has to be a combination

719
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: of both and finding that balance. Talking to Lamar like,

720
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: I had Steve Young on my show a couple of

721
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: months ago, and he said, you know, if everybody took

722
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: a step back, and I know it was disappointed, but

723
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: if everybody stepped took a step back. And so last

724
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: year is a transition season for Lamar, one in which

725
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: he won the MVP made title game. You framed like that,

726
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: it's a lot better because he was learning a new offense.

727
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: He was learning a new style of play in some cases.

728
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: And so I think, I don't look at I'm somewhere

729
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: in the middle. I'm not just on team Steve Young there.

730
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: But I do think that there's room to grow here.

731
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: We can't just say, oh, Tom Munkin's always going to

732
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: be like this. No, you learn, you learn what to

733
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: do when you're playing the Chiefs this time next year,

734
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: the Bengals or the Bills or any of these teams.

735
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 2: I don't disagree, like in theory, like any like Patrick

736
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: Mahomes is a much better player now than he was

737
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: four or five years ago when his stats were insane.

738
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: But you only get so many moments, whether it's sports

739
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: or in life, where you've got to take advantage of.

740
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: They had the better team, they had so much momentum

741
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 2: coming in. They're at home and you have this great

742
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 2: most I knew a guy in the Raven staff. They

743
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: literally called the defensive coordinator boy genius. He's now gone.

744
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: The defense was rolling. They played well in that game

745
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 2: beside a couple drives, and you just don't get those

746
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 2: moments back. It's like the diners, who knows. I hope

747
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: they get back to the super Bowl, but they might not.

748
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: And they had two opportunities where they were they had

749
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: chances to win both games, and it might not come

750
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: around for a long time. So that's the hard part

751
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: about football, especially with you know, it's this isn't college

752
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: football the parody, the randomness. Sometimes maybe you have a

753
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: year where two balls bounce the other way. It's the

754
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 2: difference between eleven wins and nine wins and you miss

755
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 2: the playoffs or something.

756
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also the way I mean football changes beneath

757
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: your feet so quickly. Man, you know this, but I

758
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: mean the idea the Carson the Eagles did want to

759
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: get a Carson Wentz's contract as quickly as they did,

760
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: astounding would have been astounding when you if you heard

761
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: of the day he was signed. Yeah, even like Jared

762
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 1: Goff right, like, I mean this stuff it just changed.

763
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Russell Wilson, I mean Aaron Rodgers, who knows.

764
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: But it's like I think that he's currently high in

765
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: an international waters He's good, he doesn't care.

766
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: But it's like in boxing, they say the punch you

767
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: don't see coming is the one that knocks you out. Like,

768
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's not about for the Ravens. It's not

769
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: about Hey, the Bills are coming, the Bengals are coming,

770
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are coming. We know all that. It's also

771
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: who's going to get to the Ravens level this year?

772
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: Is it the Texans? Is it? You know? I'm like,

773
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: we just don't know, or is it the Colts? Ananthey

774
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: Richardson is going to ball out and just raise that

775
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: ceiling and all of a sudden, the Colts are just

776
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: as good as a team like that. I mean, like

777
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: that's it's it's it's just completely it's just even more

778
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: so than we give a credit for. It's a year

779
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: to year league and you have to take advantage of those.

780
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: I just think that with Lamar, I just don't think

781
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: this is a short term thing. I think he's going

782
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: to be good like this for four or five years

783
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: at least.

784
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: I heard you talking to Chris about Jerry Jones and

785
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: is all in common? And he got me, Yeah, Jerry's

786
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: kind of like a podcaster, Like if you held me

787
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: to something I said a month ago, it's like I'm

788
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: talking every day for an hour plus. I'm just sometimes

789
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 2: you're just rifting that. Jerry's like the owner version of

790
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: a podcaster, Like if you hold him to everything he says,

791
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 2: you'd be able to crush him all the time, which

792
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: he does. But I what are he's saying?

793
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: All in?

794
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 2: He's happy, he's fired up, like he's all in. I

795
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: obviously that was misconstrued in the sense of like he

796
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: was gonna buy. He's just talking about like we're all in,

797
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: we'll pay our guys. And I think it happens Jerry

798
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 2: a lot, and it would happen to every owner if

799
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: they literally talked all the time like Jerry. Jeffrey Leurry

800
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 2: talks twice a year. Jed York talks twice year. They

801
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: never Mark Davis never talks because there's really no point

802
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: to do it. But Jerry's a podcaster. He loves to talk.

803
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: He just happens to be worth billions of dollars and

804
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: owns the Cowboys.

805
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: Joey Epstein, who covered the Cowboys for On Time, sercyah

806
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: who now, she said the day he did that, he

807
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: did like four separate press conferences, and she said the doodle,

808
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: the doodle page that we all U memed and stuff

809
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: like that. She said, there were four pages of doodles.

810
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: That's how long he was talking. Duo is I'm done

811
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: with this doodle? Next doodle, next doodle? Like he just

812
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: sits there. He's obviously not, you know, forty five years

813
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: old anymore. He's I think a lot of times he's

814
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 1: just kind of saying whatever. And I think that what's

815
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: funny is because of the way the team is covered,

816
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: and the team has to be covered because it's just

817
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: so popular and they're just such a boost to our industry,

818
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: you have to you have to talk about Jerry Jones's comments.

819
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: You have to. If I was a Cowboys fan, I'd

820
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: be very pissed off about that, just the idea of

821
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: like how often his comments are used against him when

822
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: he's just saying whatever. These guys just say, you can

823
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: get them. There are guys in the locker rooms. You

824
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: can get guys. There are certain guys that are really

825
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: funny in characters and if you're doing like an off

826
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: the wall story, you can kind of get them to

827
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 1: say whatever. You know, you know these characters right where

828
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: it's like like I think Paranom mc fee was like

829
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: this a little bit where you'd be like, hey man, like, uh,

830
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: I'll give you a great example, right, like like Justin

831
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: Hurber cuts his hair and you walk. It's a goofy

832
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: story like that. You know the guys to go to

833
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: who are just gonna just say whatever you want them

834
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: to say about Justin Herbert's hair. Oh, he's gonna you know,

835
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna throw thirty interceptions this year. Whatever, you know,

836
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: pull wards in your mouth if you asked the question

837
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: and they just go along with it, right, And it's

838
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: obviously these are all joking situations. You would never do

839
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: this to it on a serious football topic. But with

840
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: Jerry you can kind of like you just listen to

841
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: him enough and he'll say whatever. He'll say, like you

842
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: can get him to say. I think Jory was giving

843
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: the example like something about how they can win with

844
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush or something like that, he win a bunch

845
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: against Cooper Rush, and they said, like five seconds later,

846
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: said he couldn't win a bunch of agains with Cooper Rush.

847
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: Like just wait it out and you get any quote

848
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: you want. That's that's the Jerry thing to me, is

849
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: just like giving him unless he's still sharp, still runs

850
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: the team, all that stuff, but like he just kind

851
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: of when you're available all the time in random place

852
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: in the facility, you're gonna say a lot of stuff

853
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: and you take one thing out of context. I actually

854
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: think that's really unfair. But I also don't think Jerry mitts.

855
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: Okay, Trevor Lawrence, you know you you know a lot

856
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: of GM's contract negotiators, and the rule of thumb always says, well,

857
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 2: the price only goes up. Well if you look at

858
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: it like a stock, Yeah, some stocks go up, but

859
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 2: when there are when they've had a bad year, you

860
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: buy them for cheaper, and if you are uncomfortable, you

861
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: just kind of let it sit and see what happens.

862
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: You don't have to put your money there for them

863
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: coming off that season to approach it almost like, well,

864
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: we think he can grow a lot, Why wouldn't they

865
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: play it out another year when you're talking about this

866
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: type money. And I know I was at the combine

867
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: bs and with Doug. Obviously they really liked the guy.

868
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: But I don't quite understand the rush at that price

869
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: to do it after year three.

870
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: Complete the agreement. And I also don't think there's some

871
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: generous metrics where like he had the most like EPA

872
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: with something taken away by drop passes last year or whatever.

873
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: He's been failed all by the sporting cast, but.

874
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: No one thinks he sucks.

875
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I want to see a proof

876
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: of concept. He's never hit the highs of the CJ

877
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: strial last year, never hit the highs of even a

878
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: Jordan love when you look at the second half of

879
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: the season last year. I talk about from an eye test, like,

880
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's been games where he's you know, a

881
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: six game stretch where it looks great. I just haven't

882
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: necessarily seen that. I would have waited. I only there's

883
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: a huge risk that you're gonna end up cowboys in

884
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: yourself where you know he all of a sudden is

885
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: worth so much money. I mean, it's really let's say

886
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: you give him so much money that let's say he

887
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: has an unbelievable year, he's only gonna make five million

888
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: dollars more like that.

889
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you take a deep breath and be like, Okay,

890
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: thirty five touchdowns, he's not gonna he's not.

891
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: Gonna leave, and buh, he's just franchise staged all that stuff.

892
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: But then b like, it's just the downside is not

893
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: that significant. It just really isn't And so I would

894
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: have waited an extra year and and just just seeing

895
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: what it looked like with it improved, more veterans on

896
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: the roster, all that stuff.

897
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: I don't know where you stand on the all the

898
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: different party takes that have flown over the years. But he,

899
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: I mean, his people have to be looking at that number.

900
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: That had to be pretty jarring for the Niners. I mean,

901
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: I think they were probably hoping they get back to

902
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: there and they give him that contract. And now he

903
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: because he's been objectively better than Trevor Lawrence without a doubt,

904
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: and if he wins a couple more playoff games, I mean,

905
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: are we talking about two hundred and twenty five million

906
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: dollars guaranteed for the young mister irrelevant?

907
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: Here's my question about that. So I've always said this.

908
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: I said this about Tua too. I say, you get

909
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: Kyle and Mike Padaniel in separate rooms with their GM

910
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: and he say, you turn off the turn off the sound,

911
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: sound recording devices, and you just tell them truthfully, honestly,

912
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: how many guys can you do this with? Do we

913
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 1: need to do we have to pay this guy fifty

914
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: five million dollars or does it make more sense to

915
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: go get veteran X or draft pick y or draft

916
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks and see what happens? And I'm not saying

917
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: the answer is going to be like it sounds like

918
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: might be a who loves to it and really believes

919
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: in him. It sounds like Kyle shanm the same thing.

920
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: I would just go through that process and say, hey,

921
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: before we start talking fifty to sixty million dollars with

922
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 1: our quarterback, let's find out what the play caller who

923
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: was helping him quite a bit thinks about it. All.

924
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: That's I would just ask that question and I go

925
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: from there.

926
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 2: Well, it's never happened right right with a young guy

927
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: you've drafted that you've had some success with. So do

928
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: you think it ever will?

929
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: No? I mean, like you think about it, barn I

930
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: remember Barnwell wrote a column they should do it. Maybe

931
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: they did with Jared Goff and Kevin Demoff at Sloan

932
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: was joking about that and just being like, man, Barnwell

933
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: is really trying to get us to do it with

934
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: Jared Goff. And guess what, not only do they sign

935
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: Jared Goff, they made a Super Bowl and more important,

936
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, they made a Super before that, but more importantly,

937
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: they traded him and got an asset for Like, they

938
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: don't win the Super Bowl if they don't resign Jared Goff,

939
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: they were able to make something of that contract. Is

940
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: someone ever going to walk away from quarterback? I mean

941
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: it might happen with the Cowboys, just in the sense

942
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: that they probably aren't anticipating the market Dak would have

943
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: this time next year, and if he actually reaches free agency,

944
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna be get caught flat footed because there's gonna

945
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: be a bunch of teams who say, hey, you know

946
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: we're we're gonna give Jeremy Fowler and I did a

947
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: show this morning, and he thinks Dak is going to

948
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: command around sixty. Brother, I think that's low. I don't

949
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: think a true free agent is gonna move the market

950
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: five million dollars. I think he's gonna move the market

951
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars.

952
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: The only bet what Cousins did back, you know, years ago.

953
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: One hundred. The only saving grace is twofold one is

954
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: that a lot of the desperate teams have not have

955
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: have solved their quarterback problem, and and so maybe they

956
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: don't want to go out and give Dak Prescott what

957
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty million dollars for four years whatever

958
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: whatever napkin math I'm talking about right now. That's one thing.

959
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: And the other thing is heye to say it, but

960
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: a lamar situation where owners just kind of agree not

961
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: to change the structure of how they pay players. And

962
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: there's a word for that.

963
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: One question I get asked a lot in the mailbag

964
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: is how many quarterback There was just a hypothetical every

965
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 2: players a free agent and you were in the draft order.

966
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: One guy said, I think twenty quarterbacks would go, And

967
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: then I started thinking about it. My number was probably

968
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: closer to ten to twelve before you know Nick Bosa

969
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: or Miles Garrett.

970
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean the better, the better question Tomain

971
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: has always been, where would you ta Kyle Shanahan or

972
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel.

973
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 2: Well, you would take you would take those guys. I mean,

974
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: are we sure of Mike McDaniel. I know you like

975
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: the guy. I'm not saying, I'm not saying as a as.

976
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: A quarterback accentuator. Yes, I am sure.

977
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 2: Would you put Mike over Lafloor after last year? Pretty

978
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: big year from all Maddie and Lafloor?

979
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think there. I think they're one A

980
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: one B and that not sorry, not one A one B.

981
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: But I think they're pretty much tied at this point.

982
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: They got it. They both have to. Someone wins the

983
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and they'll they'll break the tipe for me.

984
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: They're both really good.

985
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: Okay that that, let's do that. You put the Shaman

986
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: crew in this hypothetical draft. Obviously the you know Mahomes,

987
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: Allen's Lamar's Herbert Caleb Williams. We all know, you know.

988
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 2: So let's just pick the number ten eleven Niche those

989
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 2: guys are going over to uh Jared Goff like, are

990
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: you taking Kyle Shannan over Jared Goff?

991
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: You probably are, without a doubt, Sean mcvagh. I've seen

992
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: Jared Goff without a great play caller.

993
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: So are you talking Dak Cousins golf? All these guys,

994
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: those guys are going You would take those guys over

995
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: like Max Crosby, Right.

996
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, probably I'd take Dak. I'd pay Dak over

997
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: Max Crosby Cousins at this day.

998
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 2: But you would take Kyle or McVeigh over both, right.

999
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: Oh, without a doubt, without it, doubt with with Dak

1000
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: and Cousins, Yes, definitely.

1001
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 2: Would you ta Kyle and McVeigh over Kleb Williams? Wait?

1002
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: Uh?

1003
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 2: Would you have Williams trying to find a coach like

1004
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: be in the bear situation?

1005
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: Wait?

1006
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: Or rather just have Kyle Shanahan.

1007
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: So this is a little unfair because we haven't seen

1008
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: him at the NFL level. If you're asking me if

1009
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: I would have traded the first overall pick that became

1010
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams for Kyle Shanahan, that's really tough. That's really tough.

1011
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the player. Remember, Kyle Shannan has

1012
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: not won a Super Bowl. Now what about Andy Reid.

1013
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 1: That's that's a different question.

1014
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 2: He doesn't count.

1015
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm looking. I'd say Kyle Shannan is the

1016
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: eleventh most valuable thing in football.

1017
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 2: That's would you take Kyle count.

1018
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 3: Nah?

1019
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: I think they're they're they're both there. I actually rank

1020
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: mcveig higher than Kyle Shanahan when we did their coaching thing.

1021
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: I i'd say, you know what, I would, I would

1022
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: only because he's more often than not created something out

1023
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: of nothing like Rock Birdy. I mean, like, what was

1024
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: the thing that the stat the other day? And I'm

1025
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: talking about just who I want to like who were

1026
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: drafting here? Right? And like I think Sean McVay has

1027
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: a better resume. I might just from a culture standpoint,

1028
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: give a nod to him. But forgot quarterbacks here, Okay,

1029
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: isn't a stat that like, of the ten best yards

1030
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: per attempt guys in history, like Kyle Shanahan, quarterbacks are

1031
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: like four of them. I'm talking like the most random

1032
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: guys and like Garoppolo's up there, like he creates something

1033
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: out of nothing, and I think that's the hardest thing

1034
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: to do in football.

1035
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 2: I think one thing him and McVeigh share is. I mean,

1036
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: look at the way the Rams just drafted. They really

1037
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 2: like defense, and this has always been an Andy thing,

1038
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: Like his great teams have been good on defense. That

1039
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: first iteration of the Chiefs when Mahomes got there wasn't

1040
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: as good. But what they've become. His Eagles teams like

1041
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: they will have no problem if they have the number

1042
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: two pick, like drafting a d tackle right, I mean,

1043
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: and some offensive coaches they struggle with that. And that's

1044
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: to me a big question with Lafleur and McDaniel is

1045
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 2: can they figure that out, because if either one of

1046
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 2: those teams had a good defense, they would be a problem.

1047
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: And that's that's my hesitation on the Packers this year,

1048
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 2: like one this short sample size with Jordan Love, even

1049
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 2: though in a short sample size he had moments where

1050
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 2: you look like freaking Aaron Rodgers, their defense over the

1051
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: last fifteen years has just been a major problem. And

1052
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 2: obviously they're used to playing in the cold. It is

1053
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 2: a huge question mark with the Dolphins. It's not necessarily

1054
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 2: their fault. They's play in Miami. There's no way to

1055
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: prepare for it. But all the good AFC teams are freezing.

1056
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: Cold come January, and more than anything, they retooled their

1057
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: roster this year, lost in pass rush jets, and so

1058
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: me caping for McDaniels is like, it's kind of crappy

1059
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: for me because they're not gonna look that great this year.

1060
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:56,439
Speaker 1: They're not gonna be.

1061
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: They make the playoffs.

1062
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: I have to look.

1063
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 2: Probably they'll be right on the fringe where they've been

1064
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: six to seven seed, right, yeah, yeah, I would. I

1065
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: would probably agree. I got to go nine ten wins.

1066
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: It's gonna take them another year to get the roster

1067
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: where it needs to be, especially in the post to

1068
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: a contract era. So I'm not I'm expecting long success

1069
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: from McDaniel not not next twelve months.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll get you out of here. On this the

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Speaker 2: kickoff rule, I think most people weren't quite paying attention.

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Speaker 2: Then they kind of started seeing some highlights. You're like,

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Speaker 2: this is probably gonna be pretty sweet. And I think

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Speaker 2: the curveball is gonna be in some of these bigger games.

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Speaker 2: If you're in a tie game Niners, Rams, hey debo, right,

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Speaker 2: or if you are the Miami Dolphins, hey, Tyreek. Because

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Speaker 2: it's not a violent hit, potentially because you're not that

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Speaker 2: far away it's much more pure McCaffrey there. It's really

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Speaker 2: just like a run play. I think it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: pretty crazy some of the moments. Sean Patins talked about

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Speaker 2: this during the OTAs like you think it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: just a fun, explosive play.

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Speaker 1: Completely agree. I actually just pulled up I said, oops,

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Speaker 1: because I pulled up a kickoff because I wanted to

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Speaker 1: see one and it would play really loud on my headphones.

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Speaker 1: So it's off season for everybody. So the kickoff rule

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Speaker 1: is going to change so much. And this is one

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Speaker 1: thing that Belichick and Harball had always harped on with

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Speaker 1: Rich McKay's like, don't take the foot out of the game.

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Speaker 1: And I think that like these old school special teams guys,

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Speaker 1: they just love this stuff. And so now you get

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Speaker 1: not only do you get kickoff returns, you get different

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Speaker 1: value athletes. You know, you're talking about some of these

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Speaker 1: speedy guys draft in the first two rounds this year.

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Speaker 1: That kind of thing. You get the chiefs idea, which

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Speaker 1: is maybe you have a position guy who can handle

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Speaker 1: it kickoff and then have the better have a better

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Speaker 1: coverage group, and then the like the more important thing

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Speaker 1: is that the nun intended consequences, like you mentioned Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: who pokes holes in new developments. Quite like Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: I wish Belichick were around for this year because he

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Speaker 1: would find something. Yeah, he'll find a loophole. And so

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Speaker 1: that to me is the most important thing, is like

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Speaker 1: what are these guys gonna find for just sitting around?

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Speaker 1: Like I think the coolest thing I've I've ever come

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Speaker 1: across from reporting on this kind of stuff. It's like

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Speaker 1: you know this, but teams normally have either a quality

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Speaker 1: control coach or an assistant position coach who's literally their

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00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: job is to find stuff on the internet and just

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Speaker 1: like hey, find new place. That's how well I think

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Speaker 1: Press Taylor did that with Philly Special. And you're gonna

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Speaker 1: see that now where you're gonna see XFL game film

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff, and you're gonna see so much

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Speaker 1: innovation in a really short period of time.

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Speaker 2: Last question, do you think Belichick found love?

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Speaker 1: He found something? He helps her with her homework, he

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Speaker 1: signed it, he signed his homework. I I'm extremely him.

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Speaker 1: I'm extremely happy for him. Good for him, he deserves it.

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Speaker 1: He'll take a year off and then it's her name Jordan.

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Speaker 1: Jordan will be on an NFL SID.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know. I don't know her name. You know,

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Speaker 2: she's a hybrid philosophy cheerleading. I mean, she's got she's

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Speaker 2: got a lot of different pitches. Like Bill, you know

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Speaker 2: he can he's a hybrid. He runs hybrid schemes. You know,

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Speaker 2: you just never know where he's coming from.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Kevin, the more you can do, the more you

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Speaker 1: can do is Bill Belichick said, have a great summer.

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Speaker 2: And where can everyone find your stuff?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? At by Kevin Clark on Twitter. I'll Sam on

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Speaker 1: Instagram and I very seldom use TikTok page Omaha Productions.

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Speaker 1: This is football episodes all through the summer. Then we'll

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Speaker 1: ramp up multi episodes going into training camp.

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Speaker 2: Till Peyton and Eli say hello and take it easy,

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Speaker 2: all right, see you man.

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Speaker 1: The volume