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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, September third, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,
Speaker 2: episode number twenty one. Welcome to the latest edition of
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Speaker 2: O Leedevo. Welcome to Week ones, Game week of the
Speaker 2: NFL season. Man, I'm so excited because after and I
Speaker 2: know we all are college football fans too, so after
Speaker 2: a weekend of some really good college football, now we
Speaker 2: get to the big boys and it's time to get
Speaker 2: the NFL cranked up. This week, starting on Thursday night, Cowboys,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sorry, the NFL will kick off it's
Speaker 2: season games on Thursday and Friday this week, and then
Speaker 2: obviously full slate on Sunday games on Monday. It is
Speaker 2: the greatest time of the year when football is back. Today,
Speaker 2: We're gonna play a very simple game, but I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know how easy it will be. We're gonna
Speaker 2: go through the entire roster. We're gonna go position by position,
Speaker 2: including the coach, and we're gonna talk. We're gonna answer
Speaker 2: a simple question, are they better, worse or same? So
Speaker 2: we're gonna go through each position group. We'll talk about
Speaker 2: each one and I'll let you guys give us your opinions.
Speaker 2: I think this is the best way for us to
Speaker 2: be able to allow our fans to kind of get
Speaker 2: a full assessment. After all the free agency, the draft,
Speaker 2: training camp, preseason games. Now you enter the season, where
Speaker 2: are you? And this should set the table I think
Speaker 2: for our fans.
Speaker 7: So let's start first, just to clarify, this is coming
Speaker 7: out of so walking off the field against Green Bay
Speaker 7: versus now or is it like going into last season.
Speaker 2: Versus it is where we ended last year. Now, you
Speaker 2: got to put that in hole because I think that's
Speaker 2: a fair question. I think you got to look at
Speaker 2: the whole of last year. You don't just say what
Speaker 2: were they in that final game because we know if
Speaker 2: we're going to do that for sure, nobody played great
Speaker 2: in that last game. Well, most people didn't play great
Speaker 2: in that last game. But I think we look at
Speaker 2: it from the standpoint of if you say the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three version of the Dallas Cowboys and that started
Speaker 2: with Week one all the way through to the playoff
Speaker 2: loss to Green Bay twenty three version versus the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four version at least where we are right now
Speaker 2: going into the season. Are they better, worse or the same?
Speaker 5: Perfect?
Speaker 2: All right, So let's start first. I want to start
Speaker 2: with the coaches, and obviously the big difference there is
Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball. You bring in
Speaker 2: Mike Zimmer, you lose dan Quinn to Washington. Is this defense,
Speaker 2: particularly with that change, better, worse or the same?
Speaker 7: From a coaching staff perspective, Whenever you factor in losing
Speaker 7: dan Quinn and losing Aiden Dirty, I would say, can
Speaker 7: I say who the same is an option?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same, better or worse?
Speaker 7: I would I would say better. I think I would.
Speaker 7: Whenever you look at Mike Zimmer and the experience that
Speaker 7: he brings and the different type of scheme differences that
Speaker 7: he will bring, the experience that he has not only
Speaker 7: as a head coach but also in Dallas as a coordinator.
Speaker 7: I think that's going to be a really big addition
Speaker 7: to this team at the end of the day, the
Speaker 7: defensive line coach, specifically, whenever we look at Aiden Dirty
Speaker 7: versus Jeff Escanina, I really loved what Aiden Dirty brought
Speaker 7: to this team whenever he was around. And this is
Speaker 7: no discredit to Scanina. I just feel like Dirty was
Speaker 7: one of the best defensive line coaches in the NFL
Speaker 7: last year. So in that perspective, I would probably say worse.
Speaker 7: But overall, looking at the entire coaching staff, and you know,
Speaker 7: as from a holistic perspective, one versus the I think
Speaker 7: I like this one a little bit more.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm going to say they're better, and you know,
Speaker 5: and and this is and this is not because Mike
Speaker 5: and I go way way back. I honestly feel like
Speaker 5: that there are things that Dan did that were very well.
Speaker 5: I think his kids, kids, his his guys played for
Speaker 5: they played hard for him. I think there were times
Speaker 5: where he uh I think where he failed you a
Speaker 5: little bit is like maybe putting guys in position to
Speaker 5: make plays. And I'm talking about Micah Parsons.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: I think that I think that Mike Zimmer has a
Speaker 5: better understanding of what he needs to do.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: You know, I I've you know, I sit there and
Speaker 5: you watch all these these quality edge rushers around the league,
Speaker 5: and then Micah was hand down, hand down, hand down,
Speaker 5: and it seemed like it was always from the same spot,
Speaker 5: you know, And I think that to to really get
Speaker 5: this done, you know, when you look at like we're
Speaker 5: into now watching Miles Garrett play, and the amazing thing
Speaker 5: that they do with Miles Garrett is his ability to
Speaker 5: move around, play right, play left, play in the middle
Speaker 5: of do you know, do creative things. I think just
Speaker 5: I think overall, just to me Zimmer, the way his
Speaker 5: techniques and his scheme, I think it's more sound. I
Speaker 5: just you know, to me, it's we talked about turnovers yesday,
Speaker 5: created turnovers last year. The last few years, it's been
Speaker 5: really good where I think that we've seen though, we've
Speaker 5: seen some big plays you know, cappen because that I
Speaker 5: think with Mike Zimber, you don't You're not gonna see
Speaker 5: as many big plays against this defense for the way.
Speaker 5: So I'm going to say, from where the trends are
Speaker 5: in the league of giving up big plays, Dallas will
Speaker 5: be better defensively of not giving up the big plays.
Speaker 5: We did see the preseason, though it was preseason, we
Speaker 5: did see turnovers. We did see those, and Mike was
Speaker 5: even talking. I asked him about that. He says, Listen,
Speaker 5: I don't think I'm gonna be able to create as
Speaker 5: many turnovers as they've had here, But damn it, I
Speaker 5: ain't gonna bust coverages and stuff here either, you know.
Speaker 5: And I think that's something that this this team and
Speaker 5: then how they use their personnel will be different from
Speaker 5: last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an interesting thing. I always look at as
Speaker 2: risk reward, and I think dan Quinn's defense was predicated
Speaker 2: on a few more risks if they could get you
Speaker 2: some big returns. I'm not going to be the person
Speaker 2: that's gonna kind of rewrite history and now make it
Speaker 2: seem like dan Quinn wasn't great for the team, did
Speaker 2: a great job with this and had this defense playing
Speaker 2: at a really high level, but there were moments when
Speaker 2: they would bust and so the question becomes, now, if
Speaker 2: the scheme is more one that doesn't take the risks,
Speaker 2: can you get maybe even a little less of the
Speaker 2: of the big turnovers, but at the same time, don't
Speaker 2: give up the big plays. And if you can do
Speaker 2: that now you're better off as a team. I would think,
Speaker 2: amber we're talking about better or worse the same, that's
Speaker 2: what we're doing for every position on the team. We
Speaker 2: just talked about the coach, particularly the difference in defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3: Where would you fall, Well, there's still a lot to see,
Speaker 3: Like we haven't actually seen him in a real game
Speaker 3: other than preseason, but I think for me, I would
Speaker 3: say it's that or in the sense that it brings
Speaker 3: a different kind of excitement.
Speaker 4: You know, you talk about what than Quinn was. Everybody
Speaker 4: loved Dan Quinn. We were a huge fan of him,
Speaker 4: but like you just mentioned, you started seeing some of
Speaker 4: that declinent where okay, the defense wasn't where it needed
Speaker 4: to be despite those big plays, getting those interceptions, also
Speaker 4: stopping the run. That was a big question there too.
Speaker 4: You never knew depending on the players that you had
Speaker 4: playing or healthy during given time. But with Zimmer right now,
Speaker 4: for me, it's just the excitement of the oh you
Speaker 4: gotta I was gonna say, like a new toy, but
Speaker 4: not quiet, but a guy would experience a guy that
Speaker 4: has earned in such a short time, he's earned or respect.
Speaker 4: I mean you you listen to the way that the
Speaker 4: players talk about him, and I love that. I absolutely
Speaker 4: loved that, because you know, the players are into his system.
Speaker 4: I brought into what he's coaching them. Even the way
Speaker 4: Micah Parson talked about him during training camp and saying
Speaker 4: how he likes the way that he's utilizing him and
Speaker 4: and teaching him new things and how he can be
Speaker 4: more explosive this year. So to me, it's just the
Speaker 4: excitement around him.
Speaker 7: I'll speak to that point. You're giving a reliable old
Speaker 7: dog a new toy because you're giving Mike Zimber.
Speaker 5: There's a couple of things though that you can look
Speaker 5: back on this too, and maybe the decision of Dan
Speaker 5: Quinn to play as much dime package. And they did
Speaker 5: make a decision on going light at linebacker. They did.
Speaker 5: They made that decision. They said, hey, we're going to
Speaker 5: go with Clark vander ash They didn't have a really
Speaker 5: a great answer for linebacker, and they made the best
Speaker 5: of out of they could playing Bell down as much
Speaker 5: dime package stuff. The six defensive backs. They played that
Speaker 5: entirely really the whole game. Because they didn't have they
Speaker 5: made a tactical error. I will say this, I love
Speaker 5: a d as a coach. I love him. I think
Speaker 5: if you want the counter to that is Al Harris.
Speaker 5: I think Al Harris is about to be a rising
Speaker 5: star in this league when it comes to defensive backs
Speaker 5: and getting them ready to play. Now, he's going to
Speaker 5: have his challenges ahead until they get Bland back. But
Speaker 5: I have confidence with Carson and others that that Al
Speaker 5: Harris as a coach could do what we would think
Speaker 5: maybe that Ad was doing with your defensive line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an interesting point when you look at the
Speaker 2: particularly the cornerbacks on this team and how they've had
Speaker 2: this string of guys that they've brought along draft them,
Speaker 2: get him out there to play, and they play really well,
Speaker 2: I mean really well that you have to give some
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 5: Joe Witt and Joe Witt and Al Harris I.
Speaker 2: Just did phenomenal.
Speaker 5: I believe this with all my heart. Dallas caught a break.
Speaker 5: And I don't know if it's professionally or decision or
Speaker 5: they already had a defensive back coach there at the
Speaker 5: Commanders that they were interested in. Dallas caught a huge
Speaker 5: break with Al Harris getting to stay in my opinion,
Speaker 5: you know, watching him every day with you guys, I'm like,
Speaker 5: this cat can coach, you know, and you see how
Speaker 5: he interacts with his guys. I'd love to sit in
Speaker 5: a meeting with him sometime and watch him technique this
Speaker 5: thing up. But his guys play. They play hard for
Speaker 5: him as well. They play their sound group. I really
Speaker 5: like what they're doing.
Speaker 2: If we flipped it to the other side of the ball.
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy began calling plays for his team last year.
Speaker 2: My question for you is, based on what you saw
Speaker 2: last year, do you think the offense was better last
Speaker 2: year than it was previous before he was calling the plays?
Speaker 2: And then what do you expect going into this year
Speaker 2: and it being the second year that he would be
Speaker 2: doing that.
Speaker 7: I think it got better. You know, in the beginning,
Speaker 7: it was a rough start. After those first six weeks,
Speaker 7: you're going into the bye week and you're looking at
Speaker 7: the offense holistically and you're like, man, there's some big
Speaker 7: concerns here. Red zone can't capitalize, didn't have a rushing
Speaker 7: touchdown with a running back until week ten. There were
Speaker 7: some concerns there, but I think as the season went
Speaker 7: on and you powered into November, you went on that
Speaker 7: winning streak, You get into December and get a big
Speaker 7: win against Detroit, and you win the division on the
Speaker 7: back of your offense. I think it got better, and
Speaker 7: I think going into year two now that they don't
Speaker 7: really have to tick off the rust of a new offense,
Speaker 7: I think there's I think there's going to be a
Speaker 7: little bit more cohesion going into these first few weeks
Speaker 7: with the second year under Mike McCarthy. For me, though,
Speaker 7: it's still the running game, Like where where does the
Speaker 7: production come from? The running game? This is gonna have
Speaker 7: to be something that I just see see to belief,
Speaker 7: and right now I'm not seeing it.
Speaker 4: There was I forgot This is bad reporting on my part,
Speaker 4: but maybe you remember Nick. I don't know, but I
Speaker 4: don't know when it was, but right after a game,
Speaker 4: I forgot what the media was asking him, and he's like, well,
Speaker 4: I was calling the plays like it was more of
Speaker 4: a head coach type of question that you ask your
Speaker 4: head coach, And he was just like he gave one
Speaker 4: of those attitudes. I don't know, it just rubbed me
Speaker 4: the wrong way, you know, those little things like that.
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, should you be calling the plays then
Speaker 4: or focus on you know, your main job. But uh,
Speaker 4: I'm being too too, too hard because if I wasn't
Speaker 4: his play, yes, yes, hopefully no. But I'm with you
Speaker 4: exactly that. I mean, that's the main thing. The running game.
Speaker 4: I think we've seen such an improvement in Dak's passing game.
Speaker 4: And I know people this is a debate all the time.
Speaker 4: How good is he of a passer. I think he's
Speaker 4: He's improved so much, so so much so I'm not
Speaker 4: worried or concerned about that. I'm more concerned the balance,
Speaker 4: finding the right balance and right now. I mean, we
Speaker 4: saw it. Last year. It hasn't it wasn't. It wasn't
Speaker 4: a thing. The running game was non existent, very very few.
Speaker 4: I think against Washington that's when you saw, uh, some
Speaker 4: of the running game and Tony Poller. But other than that,
Speaker 4: this year, so far, what we've seen and we haven't
Speaker 4: seen the starters play in the pre in the preseason,
Speaker 4: but even that training camp is so inconsistent that I
Speaker 4: have to see it to believe it, and hopefully it
Speaker 4: is something that will pick up along the season.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I hope this running back decision is not the
Speaker 5: linebacker decision of last year.
Speaker 7: Or the receiver decision from Yeah well and.
Speaker 5: All of a sudden it's like, no, we're fine, will
Speaker 5: be good, And I hope that's not the case. The
Speaker 5: thing that I always strive for and look at and
Speaker 5: when we watch other teams play when we have time
Speaker 5: is the creativity. You know, you watch teams that are
Speaker 5: really creative, even if they're not very good up front,
Speaker 5: their ability to run the football. I was watching watching
Speaker 5: the Browns just run the ball, because that's one of
Speaker 5: the better running teams. I'm thinking, how the hell they
Speaker 5: do that? There is some real creativity with their blocking
Speaker 5: schemes and stuff like that, and it doesn't require somebody
Speaker 5: coming off the ball and just blowing somebody up. It is.
Speaker 5: It is two traps, a pole and a lead back,
Speaker 5: or two traps a poll a tie in in the hole.
Speaker 5: You know, there's a difference with lining up shoe to
Speaker 5: shoe and trying to get three. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: Try to just run the ball and see if oh, look,
Speaker 5: you know, let's see if Pollard can get with some creativity.
Speaker 5: And I and this is bothered me a little bit.
Speaker 5: I really respect Brian Schottenheimer. I really do. His dad
Speaker 5: was one of my dad was an outstanding coach, comes
Speaker 5: from a football family. I asked him when this question
Speaker 5: and we had him on the air on one O
Speaker 5: five three the fan. I asked him, who do you
Speaker 5: steal plays from? Nah, we really don't steal plays. We don't,
Speaker 5: you know. And I'm like, man, I was with Andy
Speaker 5: Reid and all he did was steel plays from other teams.
Speaker 5: You know, he was one of the best play callers
Speaker 5: in the league. John Gruden, guys, they steal plays, the
Speaker 5: really good ones. The Sean mcvays, Hey, I saw that
Speaker 5: play in a Sunday night game and I thought, this Thursday,
Speaker 5: we just added it to the mix and scored a
Speaker 5: touchdown off it. The really good coordinators steal plays ideas college, pro,
Speaker 5: high school, wherever. If you told me that this team
Speaker 5: doesn't run the ball because they're not physical enough and
Speaker 5: all that, I would agree. Okay, Well, what's the answer
Speaker 5: to that. How about creativity?
Speaker 7: It's it's funny. I spoke to that point a little
Speaker 7: bit in our show last week. The only creativity that
Speaker 7: we saw in the running game last year was personnel.
Speaker 7: It wasn't it wasn't scheme. It was putting Turpin or
Speaker 7: CD Lamb in the backfield, which yes it worked at times,
Speaker 7: it works, but there was not a schematic creativity that
Speaker 7: really led towards Tony Poler having success or we goo
Speaker 7: doubtle having success because, like I said last week, Tony
Speaker 7: Poller was not an inside zone guy, and they just
Speaker 7: rammed him in between the tackles fifteen times a game
Speaker 7: and the eventually it just wore him down.
Speaker 2: Can I throw this though to you, Brian, I hear
Speaker 2: what you're saying. I agree with that in a lot
Speaker 2: of ways. Is there at least thought that maybe the
Speaker 2: new people that they've added to this offensive line, when
Speaker 2: you go back to the start Tyler and Bibie, they're
Speaker 2: more power guys.
Speaker 5: I think the reason you might have success running the
Speaker 5: football this year is because your center is more physical, yeah,
Speaker 5: and stronger, and you combine that with the right guard
Speaker 5: who's probably in his last campaign, but he still has
Speaker 5: the ability to power and stand his feet and push
Speaker 5: and get to that second level when this team ran
Speaker 5: the ball. When it was really running the ball. It
Speaker 5: was like with Ron Leary, big powerful guard. They had
Speaker 5: Frederick that was like able to like, you know, get
Speaker 5: his guy and then get to the second level. Martin
Speaker 5: was young, he was pushing his guy. They were physical inside,
Speaker 5: they were really filing. That's my hope with this team.
Speaker 5: I just like to see if it's I don't want
Speaker 5: to see like football in a phone booth, you know,
Speaker 5: where everybody's shoot to shoe and we're just pushing the
Speaker 5: front and hoping. If you're gonna do that, then you
Speaker 5: better have you better have Rico daddle in. They're running
Speaker 5: the ball to get to and through because you don't
Speaker 5: need just to plot along. You know, teams can say
Speaker 5: I was watching Cleveland and I'm like going, damn, that's
Speaker 5: that's how you That's how you kind of figure out
Speaker 5: and it's just not the back their scheme. And I
Speaker 5: think that had something to do with running game Moses
Speaker 5: over there. Bill Callahan. You know Bill Callahan is down
Speaker 5: in Tennessee and so running gay Moses. He when he
Speaker 5: when he's coaching these dudes up man there, and he
Speaker 5: was one of the guys coaching when they were really
Speaker 5: running the ball well here. So that just gives me
Speaker 5: a little like if if they can kind of find
Speaker 5: that some way, then I'm not gonna worry.
Speaker 4: So your point on creativity something that.
Speaker 5: They're gonna yell at me for saying that word creativity,
Speaker 5: but it's.
Speaker 4: No, but it's I think it's a fair word because
Speaker 4: and I would say, what's I was gonna switch it
Speaker 4: for another word, and I forgot the word that I
Speaker 4: was gonna say. But in that topic, something that bugged
Speaker 4: me from last season is how underutilized were certain players.
Speaker 4: Brandon Cooks, Volunteer Turping Hunter lip Key. Those are three
Speaker 4: main guys that, Yeah, those are three guys right there
Speaker 4: that are very skilled and talented, and I highly believe
Speaker 4: that they were extremely, extremely underutilized last year in what
Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy was doing. But hopefully this year it changes
Speaker 4: after you review everything and they start being more I
Speaker 4: mean just the word creativity, yes, I think created.
Speaker 2: One of the interesting things too, is that the fact
Speaker 2: that Cede Lamb wasn't at camp I think bodes well
Speaker 2: for Cooks being more involved in the passing game, for yeah,
Speaker 2: for Tobert, for all the receivers. Because Dak had to
Speaker 2: use those other guys. He had to develop that with
Speaker 2: him because he didn't have CD there. So I expect
Speaker 2: that this is going to be a much better year
Speaker 2: for some of those supporting wide receivers.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And we'll see what happens with Lipke and what his
Speaker 2: role is on the scene real quick.
Speaker 5: I know we got to get to break. But the
Speaker 5: thing when you watch like the that's part for the
Speaker 5: course here, But the thing about it when you watch
Speaker 5: teams like the San Francisco's run and I know their personnel,
Speaker 5: I get it used to check and you got one
Speaker 5: of the best bocks in the league, you know, with
Speaker 5: the way, but you see guys moving to get in
Speaker 5: position to block. You see they're committee like four guys
Speaker 5: blocking on three and now it's up to McCaffrey to
Speaker 5: make a move. And then they're you know, that's the
Speaker 5: kind of thing. Give me the opportunity to I'm going
Speaker 5: to outnumber you here. Yeah, I'm going to find a
Speaker 5: way to get my one extra guy in position to
Speaker 5: block for these running plays and stuff. And I that's
Speaker 5: what I'm talking about with creativity. There's ways to do
Speaker 5: this without you know, you know, three yards and a
Speaker 5: cloud of dust, offense. Yeah, there's ways to to run
Speaker 5: the football, but to use your athletes in your offense line.
Speaker 5: You got two athletic tackles and three guys inside that
Speaker 5: really got a lot of.
Speaker 7: Strength, especially with four Titans. Yeah, exactly, especially with four Titans.
Speaker 2: We're gonna take our first break. We'll come back. We're
Speaker 2: gonna get into better, worse, same at the different positions
Speaker 2: on the team. We've talked about running back an offensive
Speaker 2: line a little bit. I want to get a little
Speaker 2: deeper into those positions when we come back this Dallas
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Speaker 2: All right, so let's let's get into our game. Better, worse,
Speaker 2: same quarterback position. There really wasn't wasn't any change in personnel.
Speaker 2: The only question would be do you think anyone's gotten
Speaker 2: necessarily better, particularly Dak Prescott, who we suspect will play
Speaker 2: most of, if not all, of the season, hopefully for
Speaker 2: the Cowboys, barring any injuries.
Speaker 5: Better worse, saying I think they got better in one way,
Speaker 5: and you could talk about we now understand what Trey
Speaker 5: Lance is, but as the third quarterback, I think Cooper
Speaker 5: Rush got better because his willingness to throw the ball
Speaker 5: down the field. I don't see a nickel and diamond
Speaker 5: guy anymore, see a guy. It was kind of like,
Speaker 5: either I'm going to be the two or the three.
Speaker 5: You know here I am, so he just start horsing
Speaker 5: the ball down the field, you know, and I'm like
Speaker 5: going all right, throwing the deep out, throwing the end cut,
Speaker 5: Oh look a comeback. It wasn't like check down, check down,
Speaker 5: check down, you know, run the ball, check down. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's like he opened up his mind if, like you know,
Speaker 5: he had really nothing.
Speaker 7: To lose, he was.
Speaker 5: Gonna be the second quarterback or he was gonna be
Speaker 5: the third quarterback. That's what they got better in my opinion.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think also this is going to be an
Speaker 7: interesting decision that they could make. I don't think they
Speaker 7: will make this decision, but they could activate all three
Speaker 7: quarterbacks and integrate Trey Lance and some wildcat stuff that
Speaker 7: could open up the running game a little bit more
Speaker 7: worked with.
Speaker 5: If you had fossil about, somebody is gonna have to
Speaker 5: popping around the corner like what.
Speaker 7: They would have to take away from somewhere. Like I said,
Speaker 7: this is probably a situation where it doesn't happen, But
Speaker 7: if they want to get creative in the run game,
Speaker 7: activate Trey Lance and put.
Speaker 5: On a game that's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 4: I can't even imagine the scenario where that actually.
Speaker 2: Happensativity right there.
Speaker 5: Now we're talking creativity.
Speaker 2: Especially if you guys, as we talked about this, we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about next that running game. It does
Speaker 2: give you a little something different in that run game.
Speaker 7: Now, once he starts to I'm like, okay, too much.
Speaker 2: Too much, we're just running.
Speaker 4: They should put like a suggestion box right over there
Speaker 4: my football side and then people, you know.
Speaker 7: When you let's have the snack this week, almost a.
Speaker 4: Snack better, you know you're just sending something in.
Speaker 6: Food.
Speaker 5: Walk over and just put some in the box.
Speaker 7: Activate tree lance.
Speaker 4: I think that would be fun. I think I think
Speaker 4: they're fine. I would yeah, I would say the same.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: I mean, if anything, Dak, I think he picked right
Speaker 4: off where he left off last year. I don't think
Speaker 4: it took him like right off the bat. You can
Speaker 4: tell he had been doing those practices in his backyard
Speaker 4: and training and all of that, because right off the
Speaker 4: start of training camp, I mean he didn't miss a beat.
Speaker 4: Not everything was perfect, absolutely not, that's for sure. There
Speaker 4: were several days that even against the Rams, you were like, WHOA,
Speaker 4: what is happening here? But I think he's he's still
Speaker 4: a very solid guy. And Cooper Rush. To me, he
Speaker 4: still looks like Cooper Rush that I trust him if
Speaker 4: anything was to happen, obviously not in the long term form,
Speaker 4: but for him to step up as a backup, I
Speaker 4: fully trust.
Speaker 5: Mike Zimmer challenged all these quarterbacks. Yeah, they challenged him
Speaker 5: to read, they challenged them to react, and you know,
Speaker 5: and they and to a man, it was like you
Speaker 5: could tell there were times they were going through it
Speaker 5: and it was pretty difficult. So overall, yeah, the group
Speaker 5: got better. But I like I said that whole thing
Speaker 5: with Cooper Rush more willingness to throw the ball down
Speaker 5: the field, I hope that's the guy would get if
Speaker 5: if and I don't want it to be an if
Speaker 5: that Dak can't play.
Speaker 2: Let's move on to the running back position. The big
Speaker 2: loss there being Tony Pollard. But I think, if my
Speaker 2: memory serves me correct, everybody on this show, and Nick,
Speaker 2: you were on another show at the time, so I
Speaker 2: don't know how you fell on this, but I think
Speaker 2: everybody on this show was okay with the idea as
Speaker 2: we finished that season that the Cowboys shouldn't move on
Speaker 2: and not pay Tony Pollard big money to be running
Speaker 2: back here with the Dallas Cowboys. But that being said,
Speaker 2: they lost Tony Pollard, they did pick up Zeke, and
Speaker 2: they did pick up here in the last week Dalvin Cook.
Speaker 2: That being said, do you think they're better, worse or
Speaker 2: the same worse.
Speaker 7: I gotta see it. I gotta see it at all.
Speaker 7: I feel like this is the biggest certain on the
Speaker 7: on the roster right now. After they addressed the defensive
Speaker 7: tackle hole in my eyes, and going and trading for
Speaker 7: Jordan Phillips and adding Linval Joseph, I'm now looking at
Speaker 7: the running back position as the biggest red flag. It's
Speaker 7: just I don't see where they build playmaking ability between
Speaker 7: the twenties and getting downfield, red zone, different scenario. I
Speaker 7: think they do get a rushing touchdown before Week ten,
Speaker 7: I will say that, but I think whenever it's talking
Speaker 7: about this offense needs a running game to open it up,
Speaker 7: Dak Prescott needs to be able to utilize the play
Speaker 7: action for him to be at one hundred percent efficiency.
Speaker 7: I don't see that happening with the current run game
Speaker 7: situation as it is right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Derek, that show, we did you know we were
Speaker 5: working on the draft show. We were thinking that we
Speaker 5: were going to draft again, right, you were like, ah, yeah,
Speaker 5: get rid of the guy, get rid of. If we'd
Speaker 5: have known that, we'd said, no, Paypollar, keep him. I
Speaker 5: mean I was I was thinking, Man, they got to
Speaker 5: do something with this running back room. I didn't think
Speaker 5: it was going to be bringing Ezekiel Elliott back, but
Speaker 5: they did. Uh yeah, I'm on board with Nick here.
Speaker 5: I do feel like I just don't want the offensive
Speaker 5: line to have good reps, good snaps, play blocked. Maybe
Speaker 5: to run eight ten yards and it only goes three
Speaker 5: or four, you know, just because you're not getting to
Speaker 5: and through the hole. I say that a lot, but
Speaker 5: that's really what running game is. You get the back
Speaker 5: in the second level. You get a chance to be
Speaker 5: a really good running team. And I worry about this
Speaker 5: team having the ability to do that consistently. The longer
Speaker 5: you have to hold the blocks, the longer these officials
Speaker 5: love to call holding. You know, you get a quick back,
Speaker 5: somebody can hit it, get through there, you brush, you go,
Speaker 5: and the you know, officials let it go. But if
Speaker 5: you're sitting there, you know, if if tren Steele is
Speaker 5: on the back side, he's holding, holding, holding and kind
Speaker 5: of gets a hand to pull a guy to keep
Speaker 5: him from getting in on the tackle because Zeke's not
Speaker 5: to the hole, or or you know, any one of
Speaker 5: these backs aren't to the hole and you get call
Speaker 5: for holding, You're gonna remember what I said because the
Speaker 5: longer you have to hold blocks, the more likely you're
Speaker 5: going to get call for holding.
Speaker 4: Oh what's it for me? I mean same or words
Speaker 4: is about the same? Like last year wasn't good to me.
Speaker 4: So I think with these guys again, you talk about
Speaker 4: the inconsistency. I've been saying it, and I said it
Speaker 4: during training camp. I can't really put it, like I
Speaker 4: can't really figure out if it's the line or the
Speaker 4: running backs or it's a combination of both. That it's
Speaker 4: just not they're not quite there happening. But right now,
Speaker 4: no one on the team really has shown me that
Speaker 4: kind of spark and speed. And they all have their
Speaker 4: own thing that they do well, and they all have
Speaker 4: shown that they do have that speed, but it's just
Speaker 4: it's not translating onto what we've seen so far. So
Speaker 4: right now, I'm excited that Seek is back.
Speaker 7: For sure.
Speaker 4: I think he looks in very good shape. He looks
Speaker 4: light in his feet and his footwork. I'm excited to
Speaker 4: see how he comes in and helps, but is it
Speaker 4: very promising? I I don't know.
Speaker 7: Me Let me ask you if you say it's the same.
Speaker 7: Tony Pollard was a thousand yard rushers a year ago.
Speaker 7: And I know how these two feel about Rico Dowdell.
Speaker 7: Does that mean that you feel like there there is
Speaker 7: a running back on the roster right now that could
Speaker 7: rush for one thousand yards this season if given the opportunity.
Speaker 4: Why can he be a team effort?
Speaker 7: You think so?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 2: You think I've been on recognizing it, and I think
Speaker 2: it's more than I think it's more than a thousand.
Speaker 2: I think he's a twelve hundred yard back and you
Speaker 2: can play if.
Speaker 4: He can't ext for him to stay.
Speaker 2: That's the key. It's all for me for Rico Dinersto
Speaker 2: being healthy. And you said you hadn't really seen that
Speaker 2: spark from any of these backs. I think I have
Speaker 2: from Rico Dowdle. I've seen him like that. But the
Speaker 2: point is he hasn't had the opportunity yet to be
Speaker 2: the full give me the load running back. And if
Speaker 2: you can do that, if they give him the load,
Speaker 2: what does he do with it. Number one, can he
Speaker 2: consistently be what we've seen him be in spurts and
Speaker 2: can he stay healthy. There's a lot of ifs involved
Speaker 2: in his calculators.
Speaker 7: Okay, so we're going let's just based off of his
Speaker 7: yards per carry last season at four point one yards
Speaker 7: per carry. If he stays on that same line this year,
Speaker 7: I think from from y'all's perspective, twelve hundred. Yeah, y'all
Speaker 7: think you could take the next step. This is just
Speaker 7: for a thousand yards. He would need fourteen carries a game,
Speaker 7: more than four.
Speaker 5: See, that's good. That's that. This art, my conversation that
Speaker 5: we're having here is predicated on them giving him the ball,
Speaker 5: like him becoming the primary back. If he's not the
Speaker 5: primary back, then then and a decision like that could
Speaker 5: be made. We've seen that before, Like, well, can't you
Speaker 5: tell this one guy's averaging four point eight yards of
Speaker 5: carry and the other one's averaging three point eight yards
Speaker 5: to carry, and they keep giving the ball to the
Speaker 5: guy keeps carrying the ball three point eight. We're at
Speaker 5: the mercy of we're at the mercy of carries. An
Speaker 5: injury for that guy, you know it. But if he
Speaker 5: has both I'll bet on it.
Speaker 2: And I think he can do it.
Speaker 4: I'm still in the big in my mind, like is
Speaker 4: the story going to repeat itself of the last two years,
Speaker 4: where like it was Paular be hind Zeke and then
Speaker 4: people asking for Pollard. Then it was Rico behind Poler,
Speaker 4: and then people were asking for Rico and then now
Speaker 4: we really got him. So I just I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's just an interesting concept there and the.
Speaker 2: History of the Cowboys saw it happened with Troy hambric
Speaker 2: Everybody wanted Troy Hambrick in there, and as soon as
Speaker 2: he was in there was like.
Speaker 5: This, this is There's a lot of bad things you
Speaker 5: can call football players, and I've heard all of them
Speaker 5: in meetings, But the worst thing you can call player,
Speaker 5: I think is a progress stopper. And I hope, I
Speaker 5: hope that gentleman that they brought back is not a
Speaker 5: progress stopper for potentially for Rico Dawdle maybe getting a
Speaker 5: getting that opportunity, you know, because but then also they
Speaker 5: could look at this though and also say, hey, none
Speaker 5: of these guys are gonna work and we're gonna have
Speaker 5: a wide receiver situation like in Week four and we
Speaker 5: got to make a trade. Yeah, we get a trade.
Speaker 2: My thing is, I think Dalvin Cook is a is
Speaker 2: a really good insurance policy. I think if I with
Speaker 2: the Cowboys, and if I were making decisions, I would
Speaker 2: go into the season and say, I'm going to give
Speaker 2: Rico Dowdell the full load. I'm gonna use Zeke in
Speaker 2: short yardist type situations, and I'm gonna sprinkle in a
Speaker 2: little Deuce, little Lipkey do some different things with them.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna beat Donald's gonna be my primary guy.
Speaker 2: And in the event that he gets injured, now we're
Speaker 2: gonna have to piece sing together and Dalvin Cook just
Speaker 2: give me one more guy with some experience. I could
Speaker 2: sprinkle in there as I need to do it. But
Speaker 2: I would go into the season saying, Dallas my guy.
Speaker 5: I would I said this on the radio one day
Speaker 5: and people actually liked it, and I can't believe that
Speaker 5: was the case. I said, I would use Zeke up
Speaker 5: for three games. I'd throw Cook out there for three games.
Speaker 5: I would keep Rico Daddle as healthy as possible in
Speaker 5: the playoffs, and I would just run these guys into
Speaker 5: the ground and then when they're done, and then it's like,
Speaker 5: okay for four and three right now, Week eight, let's go.
Speaker 5: I mean, you got some tough games coming up. Actually,
Speaker 5: let those old dudes take all those hits.
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Speaker 2: Here's what we're gonna do. We've got this game going better, worse, same.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 15: I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we went around for running back. Now we're at
Speaker 2: wide receiver.
Speaker 5: Now you can't.
Speaker 2: We've only done we've only done three, only in two.
Speaker 2: All right, so wide receiver really lost Michael Gallop. That
Speaker 2: was the only real loss.
Speaker 15: I guess.
Speaker 2: On the plus side, Jalen Tolbert Jalen Brooks likely will
Speaker 2: have increased roles this year. Are they better saying or worse?
Speaker 7: I think better. I think when you factor in Jalen
Speaker 7: Tolbert taking this extra level of approach going into year three,
Speaker 7: the connection that he's been able to have with Dak
Speaker 7: Prescott over the course of the offseason. You factor that
Speaker 7: in Jalen Brooks looking really strong and shorthanded at camp,
Speaker 7: and Cavante Turpin very sneakily had one of the best
Speaker 7: training camps of any player on the team. So I
Speaker 7: think if they can find ways to get him more involved,
Speaker 7: I think it's going to be a much improved unit,
Speaker 7: and we'll see what kind of opportunities Ryan Flinoy gets
Speaker 7: the rookie I think he's gonna be one of the
Speaker 7: inactives at least early in the season. But if he
Speaker 7: does get his opportunities, I'd love to see what that
Speaker 7: looks like too. But you look at what you lost
Speaker 7: in Michael Gallup and loved what he put forth in
Speaker 7: that final game against Cream Bay. You know, he definitely
Speaker 7: had a going out party. But I think when you
Speaker 7: factor that in with what is coming up as far
Speaker 7: as what is improving with Jalen Tolbert, Jalen Brooks, come Turpin,
Speaker 7: I like this unit a lot better.
Speaker 5: Flinoyd take Brooks's spot.
Speaker 7: As in he's wide receiver five and Brooks is six.
Speaker 7: I don't believe so, I Flinoy, there's still been too
Speaker 7: much inconsistency.
Speaker 5: Big body blocking that big body playing.
Speaker 7: I think Brooks could do that too, though.
Speaker 5: Big body playing on special teams, I think Brooks could
Speaker 5: do that too.
Speaker 7: Body with toughness, I think Brooks could do that one too. Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, I'm not you're paying attention to screw by the way.
Speaker 4: I'm just.
Speaker 5: I've senior level of commitment to the bit.
Speaker 7: Rico Dowdell think is gonna be all year there we go,
Speaker 7: oh yeah, no doubt every we're gonna have the Rico
Speaker 7: Dowdell train, Like what's happening with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, every week adding all the jar the yards and
Speaker 4: calculating everything.
Speaker 7: Maybe Monday morning it'll be like so seventeen yards, two carries.
Speaker 5: They got better with Tolburt. And this is no disrespect
Speaker 5: to Gallup, but they Tolbert the work that they got,
Speaker 5: and you mentioned all those young receivers and stuff to work.
Speaker 5: I think Tolbert, I think, says me on Twitter the
Speaker 5: other day, Breakout Player. I said, Tolbert, I think Tolbert's
Speaker 5: going to show people a lot of things. I think
Speaker 5: he's I think this These last couple of years have
Speaker 5: been tough on him, but I feel like they watching
Speaker 5: him practice every single day, it didn't look too big
Speaker 5: for him and he and it could have been one
Speaker 5: of him when Brooks battling every day, I just thought
Speaker 5: Tolbert was a better player. When you watch practice every
Speaker 5: single day. It started off very equal, and then by
Speaker 5: the end I was clearly in the camp of Tolbert
Speaker 5: being better than Brooks, but Brooks got better as well,
Speaker 5: just not to the point where he could beat out Tolbert.
Speaker 4: Right now, yeah, I think they're way better. And Michael Gollip,
Speaker 4: I don't think you ever recovered from the injury. Is
Speaker 4: just it just never really.
Speaker 5: Happened until it got hurt too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is tough to do. It's tough. I mean
Speaker 4: I've never been through that, but I can only imagine.
Speaker 4: But I think that all these receivers right now, they
Speaker 4: have such a good chemistry with Dak. I think everyone
Speaker 4: just looks very confident and and very explosive fast, and
Speaker 4: just like they just they know what they're doing and
Speaker 4: the placement. They just seem like they have the experience.
Speaker 4: And again it's now what year three for Tobert, right, so.
Speaker 2: It's still busy, right, this is the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is like this. It's like you still in
Speaker 4: your mind, you're like, oh, well he's still young, but no,
Speaker 4: like this is already you need to do it now.
Speaker 2: But he looks Yeah.
Speaker 4: And Brooks he's one of those guys. I mean you
Speaker 4: see him walking around, you don't think much of it,
Speaker 4: and then you see him on the veil and he's
Speaker 4: just like he has such a a vibe, like such
Speaker 4: a good positive charist. So I just I just love
Speaker 4: when things do translate on the field and you just
Speaker 4: root for them even more. He's just he's a great guy,
Speaker 4: and I love the way he plays and runs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2: All right, let's real quick before we in the show.
Speaker 2: We'll get one more. Let's talk about the tight end position.
Speaker 2: They lost Peyton Hindershot. They get Stevens back from injury,
Speaker 2: which I think most of us going into last year
Speaker 2: before he got hurt, thought he might be a new
Speaker 2: asset for this team. And then obviously the development of
Speaker 2: of Luke's schooon makable factor into this. Are they better,
Speaker 2: worse or the same?
Speaker 7: I asked Jake Ferguson a question in the locker room yesterday.
Speaker 7: I asked him if they're better or worse? I asked,
Speaker 7: the confidence that you're able to bring from the year
Speaker 7: that you had last year, does that make you a
Speaker 7: more confident player going into this season than you were
Speaker 7: going into last season? Knowing already that he is a
Speaker 7: confident player, and he said, without a doubt. And I
Speaker 7: think looking at that, looking at the connection answer, well,
Speaker 7: I mean you could say, like, no, my confidence has
Speaker 7: always been the same. It's always been, you know, you know,
Speaker 7: along the same line. And honestly, I kind of expected
Speaker 7: that kind of answer, like I approach the same every day,
Speaker 7: the same, I'm gonna be confident regardless. But he was like, no,
Speaker 7: without a doubt, I am more confident going into this year.
Speaker 7: So I think I think with that, I think understanding
Speaker 7: his connection with with Dak and understanding as well, getting
Speaker 7: John Stevens back from injury, getting Luke scoon Maker back
Speaker 7: from a couple of injuries. I think this unit is
Speaker 7: going to be better. But I believe in that because
Speaker 7: of the guy up top, Jake Ferguson. I think he's
Speaker 7: gonna have, without a doubt, Pro Bowl season. I think
Speaker 7: he's gonna knock it on the door for all Pro
Speaker 7: I think he's gonna have one of those years.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna look right at that camera right there, that
Speaker 5: camera right there, span Ford, eyes are on you man.
Speaker 5: That was a surprise. That was a surprise edition right
Speaker 5: there on that roster.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And I actually he played better the last couple of
Speaker 5: weeks of training camp. Some things kind of improved for him.
Speaker 5: Again because of how big he is. I I'm just
Speaker 5: kind of thinking that this is one of those times
Speaker 5: where this cowboy tied end. Every year it seems like
Speaker 5: I get mad at one of them and then they
Speaker 5: block me on Twitter, and then they turn in two
Speaker 5: years later being like a really good player. They span
Speaker 5: Ford's bonus and all that stuff. It's nice and all
Speaker 5: it's but there was you know, there was some protecting
Speaker 5: going on right there with that guy, because I think
Speaker 5: there was. If you sat down and we all watched
Speaker 5: tape together, we would go, oh, that wasn't very good,
Speaker 5: and you know, maybe the first couple of games, but
Speaker 5: then there was some things that kind of improved at him.
Speaker 5: But you know what for him to hold a roster
Speaker 5: spot on you bro.
Speaker 15: Better, we're saying, not facy.
Speaker 4: It was hilarious. I mean to me, it's about the same.
Speaker 4: I mean, everything's about the same. But no, and I
Speaker 4: think it is a solid maker.
Speaker 5: I gotta give up on some I gotta I gotta
Speaker 5: go somewhere in the big ten to yell at somebody here.
Speaker 5: I can't yell at Scoon Maker anymore.
Speaker 4: I think it is a solid group. And we know
Speaker 4: that that's one position that Dak tends to rely a
Speaker 4: lot on and it's like his comfort spot, comfort zone
Speaker 4: right there. But look scoon Maker. He's a guy that
Speaker 4: I got to give him credit and shout outs to
Speaker 4: him because he has been put it in the work.
Speaker 4: Sometimes he has something new pop up as an injury,
Speaker 4: and then he's dealing with that. That's a problem. But
Speaker 4: to me it is impressive because sometimes I see him
Speaker 4: how he walks and all that, and he looks so stiff,
Speaker 4: and in my mind, I'm like, but then he plays
Speaker 4: and he will make those athletic plays. And I think
Speaker 4: he has a very good size. His height I think
Speaker 4: does help him in some scenarios and situations. But I
Speaker 4: do see him improving. I think he's going better, and
Speaker 4: that's because he's been working. But again, the injuries have
Speaker 4: kind of stopped him from certain things.
Speaker 5: Real quick question the room, real quick power. Rank your
Speaker 5: tight ends in.
Speaker 7: Order, Ferguson, Stevens, Schoonmaker, span Ford exactly same.
Speaker 5: Steven Stevens clearly my number two, Steven number two, That's
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And the big thing about it was I was and
Speaker 2: maybe that's.
Speaker 5: Why they might be better because Steven's improving over what
Speaker 5: you've seen from the last year.
Speaker 2: And I think the big thing was him improving as
Speaker 2: a as a blocker, Like that's because you thought we
Speaker 2: knew he could catch the ball, we could get out
Speaker 2: and get opens. Yeah, he's gotten better as a blocker,
Speaker 2: and I think that's what made him for me make
Speaker 2: that jump into that number two.
Speaker 7: Such an upgrade over hender shot. It's such an upgrade. Yeah,
Speaker 7: such an upgrade.
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Speaker 2: O'Brian will have the Browns offense versus Cowboys defense tomorrow.
Speaker 2: We'll do the flip on Thursday, and then on Friday
Speaker 2: we'll get you ready with our picks for the game.
Speaker 2: Till then for Nick Harris, Brian brought us Amber Garcia.
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