Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we might have to make
Speaker 1: it in the top one hundred and two free agents
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: I am Greg Roosevelt.
Speaker 1: I am here in Indianapolis at the Scouting Combine, in
Speaker 1: a half full convention center where everyone is setting up
Speaker 1: for the big day where it starts tomorrow, and I
Speaker 1: am joined for the first time on NFL Daily, excited
Speaker 1: to do so with Tom Pelisero, our insider at NFL
Speaker 1: Network alongside Ian Rapaport.
Speaker 3: What's up, Hey, Happy to be here, Glad that I
Speaker 3: get to make my debuts.
Speaker 2: Great to see you live and in person.
Speaker 3: You know, it's always fun to get to get out
Speaker 3: of the basement studio and see people.
Speaker 1: It is nice to do that. And yes, you are
Speaker 1: kind of the yin to Rapaports.
Speaker 2: Yang.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been here at the NFL for over
Speaker 1: a decade. I've seen the rise of Palasaro. How is
Speaker 1: everything going just with you and rap Sheet because that
Speaker 1: that's a tricky relationship to work, outsider.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we kind of find, along with Mike, you know,
Speaker 3: ways that we can, you know, be able to stave
Speaker 3: off the fights. Like if you've noticed in the past
Speaker 3: month there's a lot of sources tell the Insiders or
Speaker 3: per the Insiders, or the tweets, and that was a
Speaker 3: catch all that came out of Okay, went in down,
Speaker 3: just say that and we'll fight over credit later. I
Speaker 3: suppose how'd you leave me off? So we were trying
Speaker 3: to like stave off those fights. I think it's gone
Speaker 3: pretty well so far, and we we gotta get a
Speaker 3: we gotta get a handle at some point for that.
Speaker 3: But you know, yeah, per the Insiders, that's the backstory
Speaker 3: on that is it's just to keep me from strangling.
Speaker 1: So you are are joining us on a big day
Speaker 1: in uh NFL Daily in the off season, which is
Speaker 1: the day uh NFL dot com releases my top one
Speaker 1: oh one free agents. I put a lot by the way,
Speaker 1: say I said the other day on during the production
Speaker 1: call for The Insiders, I'm like, is Greg's list all
Speaker 1: the other things like he hasn't published yet.
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, then what are we supposed to put
Speaker 3: on the graphics? You're the you're the oracle of these
Speaker 3: are the names?
Speaker 1: Well they're out there now and so you can check
Speaker 1: that out on NFL dot com.
Speaker 2: And I thought you you will.
Speaker 1: Know this list and the players and the agents and
Speaker 1: the values better than anyone.
Speaker 2: So I was excited to have you on for that.
Speaker 1: I mentioned, by the way, we might have to go
Speaker 1: to one oh two because I saw a PFF did.
Speaker 1: I always made it one to one because I just
Speaker 1: thought it had a snappy ring to it. Also, one
Speaker 1: more than one hundred. Every other site's got one hundred,
Speaker 1: just shows we're working a little bit harder.
Speaker 2: And now I noticed PFF made there's one on one two.
Speaker 2: They just didn't. This is straight. So I might just
Speaker 2: have to go to one on two.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna do some news before we get into
Speaker 1: the one oh one, and I wanted to start with
Speaker 1: something you spoke about on the Riche Eisen Show on Friday.
Speaker 1: It was really the first time it was out there.
Speaker 1: It was interesting because I was like, shouldn't this be
Speaker 1: like breaking news on NFL.
Speaker 3: Networ had that conversation with the group that too Listen,
Speaker 3: there are some things I know you're getting at, Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 3: So there are some things, and this is like a
Speaker 3: broader I could do an hour on this. I won't,
Speaker 3: but there are some stories that I don't think are
Speaker 3: necessarily conducive to tweet format. Yes, this was one of
Speaker 3: those where we were going to talk about on the
Speaker 3: Insiders and then the clock ran out, and YadA YadA,
Speaker 3: and then Rich asked me about it straight off, and
Speaker 3: I had the wrong time zone in my phone, so
Speaker 3: I was at a pilate studio, not a dungeon. Just
Speaker 3: for anybody who looked at the quality of that video.
Speaker 3: He asked me about it, and what I tried to
Speaker 3: convey was, yes, they've given permission to Matthews savage agent
Speaker 3: Jimmy Sexton to talk to other teams. This is not
Speaker 3: a we're demanding a trade and now we're It was
Speaker 3: a hey, go out and see all right, because Matthews
Speaker 3: do twenty seven million dollars this year, including four million
Speaker 3: dollar bonus. That's doing about a month. That was a
Speaker 3: product and part of when they redid his deal last year. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he got a raise in twenty twenty four like a
Speaker 3: band aid. Last gave up his future guarantees, which made
Speaker 3: very clear this is a year to year type of format.
Speaker 3: So now he plays well. They took the Eagles to
Speaker 3: the limit in the playoffs. They got a you know,
Speaker 3: a young roster. Safford's sitting there going I'm making twenty seven.
Speaker 3: They're literally guys who are making double that, who have
Speaker 3: not accomplished what I have and are not as good
Speaker 3: as players as I am.
Speaker 2: We've got to adjust this.
Speaker 3: So there's sometimes is this dance and you're negotiating a
Speaker 3: vacuum and there's off the record calls.
Speaker 2: They're just like, just do it.
Speaker 3: You know. Frankly, you know no one said this to me,
Speaker 3: but it's kind of like you're gonna get this information anyway,
Speaker 3: So just go ahead, talk to the other teams, figure
Speaker 3: out what they'd be willing to do in a you know,
Speaker 3: for a contract which serves two purposes.
Speaker 2: One, it allows you.
Speaker 3: To make progress in terms of if you are going
Speaker 3: to do a trade, you have to do the contracts.
Speaker 2: You get that out of the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But it also allows the Rams to go, Okay,
Speaker 3: here's what the other teams would be willing to offer.
Speaker 3: Are we willing to go there? There is a number
Speaker 3: at which I don't believe the Rams would want to
Speaker 3: go past. For Matthew Stafford from a pure football perspective,
Speaker 3: and I know you like to watch tape and like
Speaker 3: dage the football, I only look at the other options
Speaker 3: to go boy, Matthew Stafford would be better off going
Speaker 3: to the Giants or the Raiders. The Rams have Sean McVay,
Speaker 3: they're in a division that they just won. They do
Speaker 3: have young talent, albeit they got some transition they've got
Speaker 3: to go through on the offensive side. Why would he
Speaker 3: want to go elsewhere? And the honest answer is, you're
Speaker 3: to the later stages of your career. You want your
Speaker 3: contract to reflect the value that you bring. The Rams
Speaker 3: are trying to fire out how do we build a
Speaker 3: championship caliber team? And so they're trying to get all
Speaker 3: the answers, get all the cards on the table and
Speaker 3: make decisions which could come sort.
Speaker 1: Of the later this week will be really interesting. And no,
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad you brought brought it up with
Speaker 1: Rich and all these texts that I just looked at.
Speaker 3: I thought maybe I'd nerge in Matthew sabertext it's no,
Speaker 3: it's my wife. Is Teagan still grounded? And then Teagan?
Speaker 3: Am I still grounded? You're still grounded?
Speaker 2: Dang? What times the stay in palace? What they do?
Speaker 2: What they do?
Speaker 3: She she thought it was funny to play a joke
Speaker 3: on me and say she was biking to Culver's with
Speaker 3: her friends, which is two miles away and across a
Speaker 3: very busy road. Okay, while I was at swim lessons
Speaker 3: with the other kid and dad was not pleased. We
Speaker 3: do it. We may come off when this gets appealed
Speaker 3: to the appeals officer in the house, my wife, it'll
Speaker 3: probably get knocked down from the month to something more palatable.
Speaker 1: And that's harsh. So Stafford, it's fascinating to me. It
Speaker 1: really does seem like it's about money and there's always
Speaker 1: more to it. We don't need to get into that
Speaker 1: with you here, but another one of our colleagues this
Speaker 1: is it's confusing how the Insider gang, you know, works.
Speaker 1: But Schrager mentioned a number something about like fifty million dollars.
Speaker 1: Pete Schrager for Fox on Twitter that maybe that's what
Speaker 1: he's seeking, and if it is something that the Rams
Speaker 1: are not willing to go that high, I don't think
Speaker 1: personally he will have that hard a time finding an
Speaker 1: organization that will. I do think that would be an
Speaker 1: appropriate market for Matthew Stafford. The Giants make some sense
Speaker 1: to me on paper. The Raiders make a little sense
Speaker 1: to me on paper. Do you have any teams that
Speaker 1: you think have actually expressed interest or would make the
Speaker 1: most sense.
Speaker 3: I'd say the Giants the Raiders make a lot of
Speaker 3: sense for those teams. Again, does it make sense for
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford to go into the NFC East behind an
Speaker 3: offensive line that still needs work. He's got receivers, he
Speaker 3: has some you know, Molik neighbors, and some young talent
Speaker 3: on the roster. You're gonna go up and compete with
Speaker 3: Philly and even Washington.
Speaker 1: And do you have if you have a feeling that
Speaker 1: the Rams don't really really want you or maybe this
Speaker 1: is all a negotiation where okay, I'll take x amount
Speaker 1: less from the Rams to play for the Rams, but
Speaker 1: not you know, everything, or there's more to it.
Speaker 2: And he just feels like the time is there's.
Speaker 3: Basically there's you know, by my count, there's nine or
Speaker 3: ten teams they are gonna get starting quarterback in this cycle.
Speaker 3: So you can go down the list, Tennessee, does that
Speaker 3: make sense. I don't really foresee them going that direction. Cleveland,
Speaker 3: I don't see it. The Giants, it does make sense.
Speaker 3: Get instant credibility, give you a chance to not show
Speaker 3: up with a knife to a gunfight.
Speaker 2: In the division to try to get in there.
Speaker 1: I think they're a little more turnkey than other people,
Speaker 1: probably like.
Speaker 2: For a playoff spot. With Matthew Stafford. I don't think
Speaker 2: they're a bad They've got pieces.
Speaker 3: I mean Dexter Lawrence and the lak neighbors, you know,
Speaker 3: Tyrone Tracy. I know nobody wants to talk about it
Speaker 3: because what Sakwon did. He did run for a thousand
Speaker 3: yards last year. They have to get some highly drafted
Speaker 3: offensive lineman playing better or playing at all. That would
Speaker 3: certainly help. There's some adjustment to do. But okay, so
Speaker 3: the Giant should be a possibility. You keeping your way
Speaker 3: through the draft. I'm doing this off the top of
Speaker 3: my head. The Raiders are another team that needs a
Speaker 3: starting quarterback. I do think that adding a veteran. When
Speaker 3: you hire Pete Carroll, you're not going this is gonna
Speaker 3: be a four year build. He's got like a three
Speaker 3: year contract, so you're thinking you're trying to win. I
Speaker 3: think that makes sense for them go down to the
Speaker 3: bottom of the draft order. Obviously, going back to the
Speaker 3: Rams makes sense. The Vikings are going to be a
Speaker 3: really alluring place to whoever. I don't foresee that being
Speaker 3: how this plays out, because then you're talking about giving
Speaker 3: up assets where they don't have a lot of draft
Speaker 3: picks this year, either giving up assets to bring in
Speaker 3: a veteran quarterback when you've got JJ McCarthy. There probably
Speaker 3: not something they're going to do. But that's the spot
Speaker 3: people are going to want to go to. Pittsburgh is
Speaker 3: another one. I think the Matthew Stafford and Pittsburgh would
Speaker 3: make a ton of sense, again when you look at
Speaker 3: the caliber quarterbacks in the division, But is that a
Speaker 3: place to Matthew Stafford and his family want to go.
Speaker 3: It's not exactly New York or Vegas when you're coming
Speaker 3: from LA. From just a vice perspective, so I think
Speaker 3: I'm missing one or two more. I mean, Indianapolis has
Speaker 3: to figure out what they're how they're going to put
Speaker 3: together that room this year with Anthony Richardson, he can't
Speaker 3: be but you're not pick You're not bringing in Matthew
Speaker 3: Stafford in that situation, So I think I'm missing somebody else.
Speaker 3: But basically those are the teams, and you get pretty
Speaker 3: quickly kind of whittle away a bunch of those teams
Speaker 3: as like what the real possibilities.
Speaker 1: Are it's fascinating. I personally, I'm not putting words in
Speaker 1: your mouth. I think the Hayes a little out of
Speaker 1: the barn here, and I do think something's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I hope it happens this week.
Speaker 1: Just for content sake, we're gonna have on a new
Speaker 1: general manager to the NFL. Since we've last tape NFL Daily,
Speaker 1: a man named James Gladstone became the general manager of
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars. I bring his name up like that
Speaker 1: because he's not someone that many people outside of the
Speaker 1: league would possibly know who he is. Frankly, he's not
Speaker 1: a guy who people inside the league know that well.
Speaker 1: I talked to a couple teams and they were like
Speaker 1: they hired who. He was an assistant with the RAMS.
Speaker 1: His type was the director of scouting strategy, kind of
Speaker 1: a right hand man of less sneed, but in a creative,
Speaker 1: sort of more less formal role with the RAMS than
Speaker 1: maybe like a director of college scouting or pro personnel
Speaker 1: or anything like that, which is often the guys who
Speaker 1: get two GMS. So he's joining us on NFL Daily
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, We're talking to three gms. I'm excited about that. Uh,
Speaker 1: I just wanted your your thoughts on that. He he
Speaker 1: spoke kind of a non traditional, very young higher for
Speaker 1: for the Jaguars.
Speaker 3: It is it's somebody that Liam Cohen has a familiarity
Speaker 3: with from their days with the Rams, and obviously he
Speaker 3: was impressed by him. I saw Liam said some stuff
Speaker 3: about watching him navigate undrafted free agency and some of
Speaker 3: the things that he did in that area. He does
Speaker 3: have a football background. This is not a pure quantitative higher.
Speaker 3: He was a high school football coach, so like there
Speaker 3: was literally less sneeds sons football. Hig school football comes
Speaker 3: correct back in saying this is so this is like
Speaker 3: the close thing I would say is this is almost
Speaker 3: like a baseball or basketball higher where you get somebody
Speaker 3: who is purely from an analytic background. Although again he
Speaker 3: does have some football That's why I even bring it up.
Speaker 3: It's like, it's not as if he came from you know,
Speaker 3: video games and now is the GM of the Jaguars,
Speaker 3: and so there's some of that that Tony conn I'm
Speaker 3: sure appreciates. Given what his background is and his role
Speaker 3: within the organization. He's got another really smart dude that
Speaker 3: he can work with. And obviously there's a trust factor
Speaker 3: there with Liam. But you're right, and this is nothing
Speaker 3: against James last one, who I don't know personally. I
Speaker 3: got his number, sent him a text after he got
Speaker 3: the job, like, Hi, good do good to meet you.
Speaker 3: But he's definitely not a know, a known commodity within
Speaker 3: the league. And so you know, like with any of
Speaker 3: these things, it's like, you got to get the right
Speaker 3: staff around him, you got to get the right scouts
Speaker 3: in place. I would also remind people of this, shot
Speaker 3: Con never wanted to fire Trmpalkey. Shot con thinks Trent
Speaker 3: Balkey built a really good roster. Shot Con thinks Tramp
Speaker 3: Paulkey built a really good football operation in the systems.
Speaker 3: So now with a guy who comes from a very
Speaker 3: different background into this environment, does he have the power
Speaker 3: to say what a lot of quantitative people would, which
Speaker 3: is we should probably get this thing right for the
Speaker 3: long haul trade some of the highly paid guys who
Speaker 3: have significant value. Or do you come in and go, well,
Speaker 3: we're not going to rock the boat because we've got
Speaker 3: to win. That's the mandate here from ownership that we
Speaker 3: got a team that can win now. And I'm just
Speaker 3: I don't want to have the answer for that. I
Speaker 3: think it's a fascinating sub storyline. This is a guy
Speaker 3: who's never done a trade presumably. I'm sure he's consulted
Speaker 3: on trades. He's never done a trade, he's never picked
Speaker 3: a player. There's a lot of gmsh to come in
Speaker 3: who have varying levels of experience in that, but his
Speaker 3: background is going to be a little bit different. And
Speaker 3: so who are the people in the organization he leans on.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll check out his vibe on Tuesday. We also
Speaker 1: have Ryan Poles, by the way, check out our show
Speaker 1: on Tuesday coming on, the general manager of the Bears
Speaker 1: and the new Raiders GM John spy Tech And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of just look at the salary structure.
Speaker 2: That tells you a lot.
Speaker 1: Liam Cohn is one of the highest paid new coaches
Speaker 1: ever and one of the higher paid coaches in the
Speaker 1: league period, And so he's got a lot of he's
Speaker 1: got a lot of juice.
Speaker 2: I doubt James Gime he is.
Speaker 1: It's ultimately kind of like a coach centric situation. You
Speaker 1: also have Tony Basselli, who helped with the hiring, who
Speaker 1: was part of the press conference. Uh some news that
Speaker 1: also went down and we'll get to the one on
Speaker 1: one shortly. Uh, Brandon Staley was hired as the Saints
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. We talked about that potential higher coming up.
Speaker 1: Cuts have started around the NFL, just just kind of
Speaker 1: mentioning this time of year has started to happen. So
Speaker 1: the Bears cut DeMarcus Walker, Gerald Everett, some other cuts,
Speaker 1: the Bengals Sheldon Rankins, Won Thornhill, Shaq Thompson, and the
Speaker 1: Panthers was made aware that they're not going to resign
Speaker 1: him in for agency.
Speaker 2: That was a little week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're trying to give him like the
Speaker 3: the nice, nice send off. But yeah, it's like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, we need to They gotta do what they
Speaker 3: want to do.
Speaker 2: And you just former.
Speaker 3: First going to resign free agent, about to hit free agency.
Speaker 3: We we'd run out of time if we hit all
Speaker 3: those check Thomson, Greg I was there the night the
Speaker 3: night he was drafted.
Speaker 1: I was in the green, a great Carolina Panther over
Speaker 1: the last handful of years. But I did want to
Speaker 1: hit before we get to the one on one. Some
Speaker 1: of the early news coming out of Indianapolis the Rules
Speaker 1: Committee has met. They are talking about potentially doing a
Speaker 1: fourth and fifteen or fourth and twenty situation instead of
Speaker 1: an on side kick.
Speaker 2: There was a report that banning.
Speaker 1: The tushbush has been brought off some speculations a team.
Speaker 3: So that's a team proposal. Yes, Usually the team proposals,
Speaker 3: unless they are co opted by the competition committee, don't
Speaker 3: get through. We'll see. I mean, it's been ongoing thing,
Speaker 3: like you watch it. He's that a football players at rugby.
Speaker 3: I think there's an intellectual discussion. But of course everyone's
Speaker 3: just gonna go, oh, you can't stop now they won
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to take away funny though, because I just weapon
Speaker 1: they didn't say who it was an unnamed owner, but
Speaker 1: one of the owners on the committee is Mark Murphy,
Speaker 1: an acting owner, and he has said publicly many times
Speaker 1: in like fans, Q and A. He's set it out
Speaker 1: right that he wants it, you know, ban So it
Speaker 1: sounds like it's it's probably Mark Murphy.
Speaker 3: With regard to the fourth and fifteen or fourth and
Speaker 3: f that's been proposed. The Eagles were proposing that for
Speaker 3: like five years every year on the docket. It's never
Speaker 3: I don't believe it's correct me if I'm wrong, but
Speaker 3: I don't believe it's ever gone to a vote. It's
Speaker 3: been brought up, it has gotten onto the list that
Speaker 3: they talk about in March when these things are voted upon.
Speaker 3: The issue with it is just like, is it gimmicky
Speaker 3: for me? I am simultaneously a traditionalist and a capitalist.
Speaker 3: The traditionalist in me says the on side kick like
Speaker 3: it's it's such a it's a weird play, but it's
Speaker 3: like a uniquely football play. I wish the percentages were higher,
Speaker 3: but like, I don't want to totally replace that. On
Speaker 3: the other hand, the capitalist in me goes, shouldn't we
Speaker 3: have like the best players on every team deciding the
Speaker 3: biggest moment and not like, yeah, not Nick Folk, right,
Speaker 3: and nothing against Nick Folk. I'm just saying that.
Speaker 1: The idea would be, yeah, instead of going for a
Speaker 1: non side kick, you would get to attempt a fourth
Speaker 1: single team they could take it or fourth and twenty.
Speaker 1: I think try it at fourth and twenty per year,
Speaker 1: see how it goes. The NFL evolved as it turned
Speaker 1: to the league that we know now by trying out
Speaker 1: different things like this, so I like it. They are
Speaker 1: also in this I think is more likely to happen
Speaker 1: in the long run conversation about either moving a touchback
Speaker 1: up to the thirty five yard line to encourage more
Speaker 1: kickoff returns, or just move the kickoff back five yards
Speaker 1: from where the kicker kicks it, which would also potentially
Speaker 1: have more returns. So we will see if any of
Speaker 1: those things happen before I get off the Combine. Though,
Speaker 1: no Sugar Sanders doing workouts, No Ashton Genty. You follow
Speaker 1: this stuff so closely.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious since you're on the show here and
Speaker 1: we're in Indianapolis, like, is are there any guys that
Speaker 1: you're looking for? Are there any like on field Combine
Speaker 1: type of stories that are front of mine for.
Speaker 2: You this week as like an insider.
Speaker 3: Well, the first thing I would say is we always
Speaker 3: talk a lot about the guys who aren't doing anything.
Speaker 3: It's like a very very small number. It's like a
Speaker 3: dozen of the top guys won't work out. There's like
Speaker 3: three hundred and seventy something prospects here.
Speaker 1: I mentioned those two names because they are about as
Speaker 1: familiar as any.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and they're gonna do some of their pro day.
Speaker 3: Cam Ward as of now, is undecided from what I
Speaker 3: was told. I talked to his quarterbacks coach a short
Speaker 3: time ago. He's figuring out if he wants to do it.
Speaker 3: I'm sure we'd all love to see Cam Woard the
Speaker 3: rest of the quarterbacks. Jackson Dart is gonna throw, Jalen
Speaker 3: Milroe is gonna throw. You'll see all those guys, guys.
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to seeing in the drills. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think that the quarterbacks because QB three or in
Speaker 3: some people's minds, can you even vault up and be
Speaker 3: QB two QUB one in this draft whatever it is,
Speaker 3: that next group of quarterbacks is really interesting to me.
Speaker 3: We saw a lot of them at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 3: Milroe and Dart and those guys Riley Leonard were all there.
Speaker 3: But there's some guys we haven't We haven't seen quinnywers On,
Speaker 3: Tyler Schuck. People a lot of buzz first round buzz
Speaker 3: Tyler Schuck. I mean, when Tyler Shuck isn't you know.
Speaker 3: I said something to him at the Senior Bowl about like,
Speaker 3: you know, you've hit bund Dell with a bunch of
Speaker 3: major injuries, like well, not major injuries, just broken bones
Speaker 3: and stuff. I'm like, that's a major injury to me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he missed a lot of time, but like he looks
Speaker 3: good on the field. I think that's a really good
Speaker 3: story him. I think that the entire wide receiver group
Speaker 3: because it's regarded as a down year. By the way,
Speaker 3: its text was green Bay that reposed that confirmed the
Speaker 3: wide receiver group. There's not those top top end guys.
Speaker 3: You're not going to see the really really, you know,
Speaker 3: top five, top ten type guys. But that also creates
Speaker 3: some variants where let's say, to give you a name,
Speaker 3: Matthew Golden from Texas. Has he come out here and
Speaker 3: lighted up and all of a sudden we're talking about
Speaker 3: him as being first second wide receiver off the board,
Speaker 3: like that's entirely possible. And then I'm also just you know,
Speaker 3: it's always about who the fiscal freaks are going to
Speaker 3: be the test off the chart, right who are some
Speaker 3: of you think? Shamar Stewart, the Texas A and m Edge.
Speaker 3: He was also another senior Bowl guy. I stood next
Speaker 3: to him, like he is built like Gdevian Clowney. If
Speaker 3: you can just envision what he looks like. I've been
Speaker 3: told based on what he's doing in terms of his
Speaker 3: combine training, like he's testing like he might test like
Speaker 3: Trayvon Walker. He's a little bit taller than Trayvon Walker,
Speaker 3: who what number one overall ahead of Aidan Hutchinson in
Speaker 3: the draft not that long ago. Based largely on the
Speaker 3: testing numbers, I think that he's he's definitely one to watch.
Speaker 3: And then I'll give you a forty yard blazer. Maxwell Harston,
Speaker 3: the corner from Kentucky, super engaging, bright dude that.
Speaker 2: I've talked to. Could really play.
Speaker 3: But he's also like he's legit, fast, fast, and it's
Speaker 3: gonna be interesting to see what he runs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no one expected Xavier Worthy to go first round
Speaker 1: at this time last year. Yeah, we haven't gotten too
Speaker 1: deep into the prospect. But Shamar Stewart's really interesting. I
Speaker 1: like hearing how different evaluators talk about him. Daniel Jeremiah,
Speaker 1: I know he put it, but his top fifty check
Speaker 1: that out today. In terms of prospects, SamArt Stewart is
Speaker 1: twenty eighth. Like he is a guy who's going to
Speaker 1: get compared to Treyvon Walker because of the low sack
Speaker 1: total and he's just a physical freak. But there are
Speaker 1: people that say, like, this guy really doesn't know how
Speaker 1: to play football very well. Yet, which I don't think
Speaker 1: they were saying about Trayvon Walker, like he is someone
Speaker 1: that is the ultimate, Like it's gonna be a test
Speaker 1: of do you draft the guy just off of measurements
Speaker 1: or not? Like he could go anywhere from the top
Speaker 1: ten to the second round, and there are people that
Speaker 1: will say, like, man, maybe it'll happen, but he like
Speaker 1: doesn't really know how to play yet, but we'll see.
Speaker 2: It kind of reminds me of now.
Speaker 3: Will McDonald was in a category of his own, like
Speaker 3: the dude who would jump over cars from Iowa State
Speaker 3: and it was like is he a one? Is he
Speaker 3: like a he going the second and he went like
Speaker 3: to the Jets at what eighteenth overall or so?
Speaker 2: It was like a no. Thirteenth overall?
Speaker 3: He went very high in that draft, Like that might
Speaker 3: be the type of guy you get with with Schamar Stewart.
Speaker 2: And yeah, Will McDonald's gotten better as we go.
Speaker 1: Okay, enough, you know, preamble here, let's get to the
Speaker 1: top one oh one free agents of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: I wish I could still mess around and just keep
Speaker 1: changing the rankings. I am someone that understands this is
Speaker 1: a fun exercise. It's just opinion, and then it changed
Speaker 1: so much on a daily basis that it would continue
Speaker 1: to change if I was allowed to keep changing. But
Speaker 1: now it's locked in. My editors say I cannot change it.
Speaker 1: Here are the top ten free agents. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: go through all one on one of four two. I
Speaker 1: will do the top ten, the top ten. T Higgins,
Speaker 1: who we think is gonna get franchise, Tag will not
Speaker 1: get the free agency Barnes surprise, Yeah, yes, clearly never
Speaker 1: could get traded. Trey Smith. I have already gotten some
Speaker 1: pushback on this. Number two. Milton Williams three, who had
Speaker 1: a great playoff run with the Eagles. A lot of
Speaker 1: Eagles up top, Ronnie Stanley four, Zach Bond coming off
Speaker 1: a career year at number five, Sam Darnold at six,
Speaker 1: Osa Adigie Zua at number seven, Josh Sweat from the
Speaker 1: Eagles at eight, Chris Godwin at nine, and Carlton Davis
Speaker 1: starts off a run of cornerbacks. Tarvarius Ward and DJ
Speaker 1: Reid are the next two guys on my list.
Speaker 3: In the top twelve, there's a bunch of top corners.
Speaker 3: I think that I looked at the list. I think
Speaker 3: that you know in general terms, like you're you're on
Speaker 3: it here. Tray Smith will be interesting because if the
Speaker 3: Chiefs don't franchise tag him, does that kind of signal
Speaker 3: then are they not as fired up about him as
Speaker 3: other teams might be looking at him. I mean, there's
Speaker 3: not a lot of guards, there's not a lot of
Speaker 3: offensive linement. There's not a lot of offensive players. With
Speaker 3: the year of Ronnie Stanley, with his injury history in
Speaker 3: the top five on the list. He was healthy this year,
Speaker 3: but he had missed a ton of time over the
Speaker 3: last the previous two or three seasons. But I'm with you,
Speaker 3: I mean it would not be a surprise if he
Speaker 3: ends up being the top paid tackle. Zach Martin's retirement
Speaker 3: took another option where Zach Barton wanted to play. Somebody
Speaker 3: would give him fifteen million dollars to you know, come in.
Speaker 3: I think that you know one of the interesting things.
Speaker 3: And this probably speaks to the perception within the league
Speaker 3: about the quality of the free agent class. Those names,
Speaker 3: those are your top ten free agents here. It's not
Speaker 3: as gan, but also think how few franchise tags are
Speaker 3: even possible off that list. I mean, he is going
Speaker 3: to get it if they can't work out a deal,
Speaker 3: which we'll see how that plays out, But it seems
Speaker 3: like the tag is coming for him, Trey Smith. Maybe
Speaker 3: it's at least a possibility that the Chiefs could potentially
Speaker 3: explore Sam Donald. You can't rule out him getting tagged
Speaker 3: at this point. Yeah, that could be a tag to sign,
Speaker 3: That could be a tag in trade, that could be tagging.
Speaker 3: An hour later, he's in the parking lot signing it
Speaker 3: to make sure he locks in his forty million dollars
Speaker 3: for this year. That's a good idea. There's Sam Donald.
Speaker 3: A lot of different ways that this thing could go.
Speaker 3: And then, ohso Diggi Zoo, I think you would at
Speaker 3: least make the case that maybe you could franchise tag him.
Speaker 3: But with the Cowboys in their current financial situation, you know, capwise,
Speaker 3: I don't really see that happening. So I think that
Speaker 3: the two defensive tackles that get paid are the two
Speaker 3: guys you got up there, Odiggi Zua.
Speaker 2: And Milton Williams.
Speaker 3: Okay, we've seen crazy defensive tackle numbers. If both those
Speaker 3: guys got twenty plus a year, I wouldn't be shocked.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm expecting it for Milton Williams.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the market is for Diggi Zua,
Speaker 1: but he's a good player who has gotten better and better,
Speaker 1: and that's that's what you want. The defensive tackles tend
Speaker 1: to grow up slowly. I did, so I set this
Speaker 1: list out immediately got some reaction. There are some people
Speaker 1: that don't think Tray Smith is maybe as good as
Speaker 1: his reputation, or is maybe not coming off his best
Speaker 1: year that the team's kind of targeted him, did not
Speaker 1: have a great Super Bowl. Team's kind of targeted him
Speaker 1: a little bit when when Tuney was at left tackle,
Speaker 1: we'll see I would be shocked if he didn't get
Speaker 1: big money from someone, But maybe it's not. It's from
Speaker 1: that he was a freaking All Pro and he's young
Speaker 1: and he's played.
Speaker 3: Hessian scarcity drives so much of this, and I mean,
Speaker 3: look through, don't know where your next guard is.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's not it's pretty rough, will Fries. I heard
Speaker 1: some people are are pretty big on I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a guy with a late round pick who didn't
Speaker 1: play that much until twenty twenty three. But they'll do solid.
Speaker 1: It could be improved. He's the next one. And then
Speaker 1: it's Tevin Jenkins, who played with.
Speaker 3: Their interior guys Drew Dolman, who I agree that's probably
Speaker 3: gonna be the top paid center. And all this is pending.
Speaker 3: Obviously the other guys who get cut, and of course
Speaker 3: you add them and update this list regularly. Yes, which
Speaker 3: is very helpful to those of us who sometimes lose
Speaker 3: track of things amidst the free agency frenzy. Yes, I mean,
Speaker 3: I think if you're just going down, you know, position
Speaker 3: by position, Darnold is clearly the one quarterback that's gonna
Speaker 3: get paid. Is that number in Does that number begin
Speaker 3: with a three? Does that number begin with a four?
Speaker 3: Those are the things that remain to be seen, And
Speaker 3: obviously the tag situation hovers over there.
Speaker 1: I gotta start with a four if he's getting tagged,
Speaker 1: because then that means they either would play it or
Speaker 1: at least find a team that was willing to do
Speaker 1: like two for seventy but guarantee forty fifty of it
Speaker 1: whatever some something like that.
Speaker 3: There's no running backs are gonna get paid huge money.
Speaker 3: Nage Harris will get a good, solid deal because he's
Speaker 3: a known commodity running back.
Speaker 1: I'd like Aaron Jones, so I ranked him a little ahead,
Speaker 1: but that's like a one year deal type of guy
Speaker 1: that I think is gonna be thirty.
Speaker 3: Years old and he probably need to, you know, ease
Speaker 3: off the carries. He got one for seven last year.
Speaker 3: I think probably around that same.
Speaker 2: Yeah. JK.
Speaker 1: Dobbins is out there. Kenneth Gainwell is at the end
Speaker 1: of my list. Ti Johnson like these these are the
Speaker 1: types of guys that make it to free andency. Okay,
Speaker 1: you mentioned the quarterback, so let's talk about the other
Speaker 1: quarterbacks quickly. Justin Fields. I still think Justin Fields can
Speaker 1: offer something and was an improved player last year. So
Speaker 1: because of the quarterback tax, he was my second quarterback
Speaker 1: and I put him in the top twenty five because
Speaker 1: I just think that position is that important. Then I
Speaker 1: went with Russell Wilson. He was around the middle of
Speaker 1: the fifties. Jamis Winston. I think a high quality backup
Speaker 1: is worth more than they're getting on the open market,
Speaker 1: so that's why I still rank them pretty high. Jacoby Brissett,
Speaker 1: you get into Daniel Jones and Jimmy g Is in
Speaker 1: the mix of guys there, any any of those names
Speaker 1: stand out to you as maybe we'll get a better
Speaker 1: deal than people think, well have or at least have
Speaker 1: a starter's market. I kind of viewed all those guys
Speaker 1: as backups, but Fields at least has a little bit
Speaker 1: more of an upside to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the biggest thing.
Speaker 3: And this is why I think the biggest story in
Speaker 3: the NFL over the next let's call it three weeks,
Speaker 3: gonna be trades because in the draft, let's start there.
Speaker 3: Since we are here in Indianapolis at the combine, how
Speaker 3: many of those guys do you feel confident are going
Speaker 3: to start right away? You maybe can make an argument
Speaker 3: to yourself the cam Ord schadure and if there's somebody
Speaker 3: else down the line, quin yours just play a ton
Speaker 3: of football. But maybe all these there's not even a surefire.
Speaker 3: There's not a Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Drake may type
Speaker 3: where you feel like even Drake needed some time.
Speaker 1: Although hot take, I think the longer we get in
Speaker 1: this process, people are going to be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: can't Ward's a pretty great quarterback?
Speaker 3: People come around on it. So let's say you get
Speaker 3: one or two starters out of the rookie class. Now
Speaker 3: you're into the free agent class where Sam Darnold'll be
Speaker 3: starting somewhere. Stafford certainly trade yet, right, But like of
Speaker 3: the other guys you mentioned on your free agent list,
Speaker 3: Russ Depenny, where he is. I don't think that he
Speaker 3: signs anywhere as if he's not the starter. So I
Speaker 3: think Russ starts somewhere. I think fields is a minimum
Speaker 3: in a competition type of situation. Yeah, and beyond that,
Speaker 3: I don't know that there is anybody else you're saying
Speaker 3: that guy's going to step in and become an instant starter.
Speaker 2: So now let's think about it. Maybe jimmd in Los
Speaker 2: Angeles or very specific textual situation. That's right.
Speaker 3: So now let's get into the quarterback the veteran quarterbacks
Speaker 3: who currently are under contract that we don't know how
Speaker 3: this is going to end. Aaron Rodgers tendantly still under contract,
Speaker 3: but is going to become a free agent.
Speaker 1: I would to ask ye him on there put on
Speaker 1: your one on what? No, because I just technically on
Speaker 1: the team. Maybe they could find a trade for him
Speaker 1: so he doesn't make the one on it? Where would
Speaker 1: you put Aaron Rodgers on this list? Just for the listeners?
Speaker 1: If you keep going to the top twenty Byron Murphy again,
Speaker 1: a lot of good cornerbacks Dre Green, Lodge, Yvon Holland,
Speaker 1: Nick Bolton, Will Fryes, Reddick. I get to my second
Speaker 1: quarterback there at fields, I would put Rogers I think
Speaker 1: ahead of Fields, but.
Speaker 2: Maybe not hard though.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some pretty good defensive starters that are
Speaker 1: available all the way through thirty. If you were making
Speaker 1: this list, where do you put him?
Speaker 3: I have a great deal of respect for Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 3: who like covered early in his careers on four NFL MVPs.
Speaker 3: He's one of the most He's the best practice player
Speaker 3: I've ever seen. Interest just the way that he can
Speaker 3: manipulate his body, angles like the arms snap and put
Speaker 3: the ball anywhere. I mean, he is a rare dude.
Speaker 3: The guy I saw for large chunks last season was
Speaker 3: not Aaron Rodgers. Is that being forty one years old?
Speaker 3: Is that coming off a torn achilles? Is that the
Speaker 3: general dysfunction that emerged after the Fireing to Robert Solo, well,
Speaker 3: I'd say the last game that he played with Soli
Speaker 3: as the head coach was the worst I've ever seen
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers play, just missing wide open dude after wide
Speaker 3: open dude. So all the other stuff that comes with
Speaker 3: Aaron and is he doing publicity tours on McAfee and
Speaker 3: documentaries and everything like all that. That's a real thing,
Speaker 3: and teams have talked to me about it, you know,
Speaker 3: do you want to bring all that in? But it's
Speaker 3: also just about are you going in on this guy
Speaker 3: and you're gonna get the version who for half the
Speaker 3: season last year not only wasn't the reason they were winning,
Speaker 3: but he was a big reason they were losing. I
Speaker 3: don't know, hard to put him in a ranking. He's
Speaker 3: somewhere in the top one to one. It is Who's
Speaker 3: number one O one? Greg, we got it's Nick Chubb.
Speaker 1: I I'm glad you mentioned that this is a big
Speaker 1: reveal every year. One O one is unique because as
Speaker 1: the players come on and off the list.
Speaker 2: You Deontay Johnson at one hundred. I did I uh
Speaker 2: touch screen? Sorry? Yeah, I just thought.
Speaker 1: As crazy as season as he has, no one had
Speaker 1: a worse contract here than Deaday Jensen. I just feel
Speaker 1: like out of the talent's too good. It's so hard
Speaker 1: to find a wide receiver. I want to stick him in,
Speaker 1: but one on one is the Warne's.
Speaker 3: Closer in my mind, I'll say this, and don't don't
Speaker 3: put this, don't let the aggreatet all.
Speaker 2: Do I want to get aggregated? All right? I would
Speaker 2: put Aaron closer to one on one, then that's fair.
Speaker 1: I I don't think it's crazy to say that if
Speaker 1: you're just looking at all things considered, had to Let's say,
Speaker 1: Jimmy G. Is maybe my last one that made the list.
Speaker 1: He's somewhere in the eighties or something like that, seventies.
Speaker 1: I can't find Aaron, all.
Speaker 3: Right, Then Aaron, if you're if you're weighing by weighing
Speaker 3: it out in terms of like position value, then he's
Speaker 3: probably somewhere around the Jimmy G territory, which when it
Speaker 3: sounded like blasphemy three years ago, but now it's just
Speaker 3: it's the reality that dude, if you go back through
Speaker 3: the course of time, I know you're a great football historian.
Speaker 3: Look at the Hall of Fame up to say, twenty
Speaker 3: years ago. You go through every player through like the
Speaker 3: early two thousands, every Hall of Fame quarterback, they all
Speaker 3: retired at age thirty seven thirty eight. They all every
Speaker 3: single one, not like around there or below that, like
Speaker 3: right at thirty seven thirty eight, like that was the cutoff.
Speaker 1: There's literally only two quarter like one quarterback now as
Speaker 1: all as Aaron Rodgers that's ever produced. Well, and it's
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, I mean it's Tom Brady. And the only
Speaker 1: one that even got a little close was Warren Moon
Speaker 1: and Drew Brees got to that like forty forty one
Speaker 1: season and that's it.
Speaker 3: Marvid thirty nine had a great sea, didn't get me.
Speaker 3: That's where Rogers. Warren Moon played into his early forties,
Speaker 3: and then tom Ma re wrote everything and made it
Speaker 3: hard on all these guys, like dudes didn't play this long.
Speaker 3: And when Aaron's his great skin was always getting inside
Speaker 3: and outside the pocket and making things happen on the run.
Speaker 3: You see, whether he either can't do it or doesn't
Speaker 3: think he should do it, that part's not there anymore.
Speaker 3: So then again, just to wrap that, like the quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: think of the number of guys we got that are available.
Speaker 3: Rogers fluid with Kirk Cousins, yes, flued with Matthew Stafford,
Speaker 3: flued with.
Speaker 2: Derek Carr, yes.
Speaker 3: So that's four more names that everybody's sitting there going
Speaker 3: are they gonna be cut? Are they gonna get traded? Like,
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen. Point gotta push all these guys down.
Speaker 3: So it's just my point is like, if you're sitting
Speaker 3: there like to me again, that's the biggest storyline over
Speaker 3: the next three weeks is all these guys are available,
Speaker 3: and it's gonna be chaotic because teams are gonna look
Speaker 3: at free agency and the draft and go, we just
Speaker 3: need to go get this guy to get us through
Speaker 3: the year.
Speaker 1: This is all really good stuff. I want to I
Speaker 1: want to get to a little more on the one one.
Speaker 1: But before I do, does that mean Derek Carr is available?
Speaker 3: You think he's got a ten million dollars fully guaranteed bonus.
Speaker 2: I think it's the third.
Speaker 3: Or fifth day of the league ar fifth day of
Speaker 3: the league year, and he's got another thirty million that
Speaker 3: fully ves if he's on the roster the third day
Speaker 3: of the league year. So there's they're gonna have to
Speaker 3: do something. If he's gonna be a Saint, they're gonna
Speaker 3: have to address his contract. I know Kellen Moore and
Speaker 3: Derek have met and they've talked about next season and
Speaker 3: all those things, but they're going to come to a
Speaker 3: contractual agreement. Does that kind of like Stafford a different category,
Speaker 3: but does that work out in New Orleans? Is it
Speaker 3: ultimately Hey, we're better off with him going someplace else.
Speaker 3: Like I would say, it's fluid. There has to be
Speaker 3: a resolution, and there's no resolution right now.
Speaker 1: And when I hear fluid, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: put words in your mouth because you are a responsor
Speaker 1: bull reporter and I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm just, you know, hosting a show here and offer
Speaker 2: an analysis. You've been doing it in a long time.
Speaker 2: Away with it. I don't mean it. It's not irresponsible.
Speaker 1: But when I hear fluid and I hear them considering
Speaker 1: moving him, it's almost like the quote on retirement, once
Speaker 1: you're thinking about it, you're already almost there. When I
Speaker 1: hear that, I think, Okay, there's a there's a decent
Speaker 1: chance all those guys I think are going to be playing.
Speaker 3: How many career quarterbacks took like substantial pay cuts. Brady
Speaker 3: was on a year to year thing, and you can
Speaker 3: argue he always took deals that were friendly because he
Speaker 3: wanted them to continue to put together the roster. Ben
Speaker 3: Roethlisberger took a huge but he is you know, he's
Speaker 3: not Brady In New England. He's not Roethlisberger and Pittsburgh,
Speaker 3: he's Derek Carr got there a couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: and the only game that I saw he played there,
Speaker 3: he got booed every time he came on the field
Speaker 3: and they cheered when Taysom replaced him. So like, there's
Speaker 3: not a lot of history there. Derek Derrek's a great guy,
Speaker 3: and you know, you know, if he wants to play
Speaker 3: this season, I would anticipate that he's gonna have options
Speaker 3: to do that. I just can't stare and tell you
Speaker 3: is it going to be in New Orleans. A couple
Speaker 3: of things. I thought that the defense actually was pretty
Speaker 3: deep on this list. Uh, if you need a three
Speaker 3: down linebacker, and I feel like a lot of teams
Speaker 3: do a lot of good players. I have Zach Bond
Speaker 3: I mentioned at five, Nick Bolton's at eighteen. Ernest Jones,
Speaker 3: who was on three rosters last year but kind of
Speaker 3: turned the Seahawks season around.
Speaker 2: Put him in the thirty.
Speaker 1: Jamien Sherwood was a guy who I heard from a
Speaker 1: lot of people they were like, oh, you have him
Speaker 1: too low. I put him in the top thirty five.
Speaker 1: In the end, maybe I should have put him even higher.
Speaker 1: Dre Greenlaw is in my top twenty a difference maker,
Speaker 1: another guy people have some people have a lot of
Speaker 1: support for Kaiser White is in my top one hundred
Speaker 1: Tyrel Dodson, who was with the Dolphins. So I actually
Speaker 1: think there could be like a little bit of a
Speaker 1: trend where three down linebackers start getting value, they start
Speaker 1: bouncing back a little bit like running backs.
Speaker 2: Did.
Speaker 1: I feel like we've now gotten to the point where
Speaker 1: the analytics or whatever the conventional wisdom from teams is,
Speaker 1: don't play, don't pay these linebackers. It's now gotten so
Speaker 1: low that actually it was like, oh wait, these are
Speaker 1: the guys getting picked on in our biggest games. We
Speaker 1: could have some and that's why there's actually a decent
Speaker 1: amount of them that made it.
Speaker 3: What happened with the linebackers was that used to be
Speaker 3: a depreciated position and then you remember all these guys,
Speaker 3: they go them back like seven years though, and the
Speaker 3: Jets did that.
Speaker 2: Maybe it wasn't seven, like five.
Speaker 3: Mike mccagnum was the GM They went like, they basically
Speaker 3: gave fifty percent more than the top of the market
Speaker 3: to CJ. Mosley to convince him to come to the
Speaker 3: Jets and game seventeen million year, like the top of
Speaker 3: the market that point was like twelve. And then so
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, everybody like Bobby Wagner and all
Speaker 3: these guys are like, I want that so and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden you had all these deals that got done
Speaker 3: at seventeen eighteen million dollars and then there was kind
Speaker 3: of this course correction back down.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: I mean, Zach Bond will be fascinating because last year
Speaker 3: that was one of the greatest values in the entire league,
Speaker 3: a one year, five million dollar deal. Can how he
Speaker 3: get that done to bring him back? He was a
Speaker 3: pretty big part of that defense. I think him, Him
Speaker 3: and Bolden are clearly the two that everybody's gonna be
Speaker 3: watching and hoping that they bring that back up to
Speaker 3: the top of the market, because again, it wasn't that
Speaker 3: long ago that if you were a free agent linebacker,
Speaker 3: you were sitting there going those guys are getting.
Speaker 1: Seventeen so cycled through every year, and yet this I think,
Speaker 1: if I was making a list of all these egos
Speaker 1: free agents, I think he's the one that they have
Speaker 1: to just break the bank. I think they wish they
Speaker 1: had resigned Milton Williams earlier a rare thing that maybe
Speaker 1: how he would want back. You can't resign everyone. Cornerback
Speaker 1: I mentioned is pretty pretty deep. I mentioned those three
Speaker 1: at the top, Carlton Davis, DJ Reid Tarvarius.
Speaker 3: Byron Murphy too. Byron murmur had a really good year fifteen.
Speaker 1: Actually I moved him up with some and then guys
Speaker 1: I wish I had, I already wish I had a
Speaker 1: little higher.
Speaker 2: I heard from multiple people.
Speaker 1: Travon Morrig, he's at twenty two good years the Safety
Speaker 1: for the Raiders, shout out to Mike Mayock. A Mayock
Speaker 1: picks right, and actually I heard from more than one
Speaker 1: person now is like even that's way too low. He
Speaker 1: should be maybe in your top ten, Like he is
Speaker 1: a sending really good young starter.
Speaker 2: I mean, is Jovon Hall in your top safety He is.
Speaker 1: Just ahead of morg And I got some people saying
Speaker 1: they would rather have morg. I think there'd probably be
Speaker 1: more a really agreement.
Speaker 3: He had a really good year. And then there's a
Speaker 3: bunch of other guys who can't come off good years.
Speaker 3: I mean cam buying him. Yes, another is another one
Speaker 3: who I think is going to do well guys like
Speaker 3: Jeremy Chin that kind of get forgotten. He's going to be,
Speaker 3: you know, certainly in the mix. It's just a matter
Speaker 3: if he's a very specifics like a Swiss army knife.
Speaker 3: It's like, what's the scheme fit for him. Yeah, there's
Speaker 3: some safeties. There's a bunch of corners to your point,
Speaker 3: there's a couple of linebackers, there's a couple of defensive tackles,
Speaker 3: and then the edge market's also going to be that's
Speaker 3: one name.
Speaker 1: Or do you have Dio Adenobo? He is in my
Speaker 1: top forty or so.
Speaker 2: He might be one of those ones that surprises you.
Speaker 1: That makes even more than you expect. He was someone
Speaker 1: I had thought that. Listen, initially, I know, I kind
Speaker 1: of well, there's there's not a last thirty eight.
Speaker 3: There's a bunch of I know, you got like Khalil
Speaker 3: Mack in your your top twenty five. Like there's a
Speaker 3: bunch of the older guys like Chase Young's a free
Speaker 3: agent once again and Kalais Campbell.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, I don't mind putting some of
Speaker 1: those guys higher because I do know year after year
Speaker 1: that those guys end up being great values. Kalais Campbell's
Speaker 1: been a fantastic value a year after year, you're getting
Speaker 1: a high quality starter for like ten if it's not
Speaker 1: a prediction of like who makes the most money necessarily,
Speaker 1: it's it's who.
Speaker 2: Uh is gonna be good?
Speaker 3: But in terms of those young edge rushers, because people
Speaker 3: are proactive doing deals, the top ones get tagged this year,
Speaker 3: there isn't anybody who's really in the tag category. You know,
Speaker 3: Diodenable might be the highest paid edge rusher in this
Speaker 3: entire group, and I would bet you got a various
Speaker 3: You're you're killing me.
Speaker 2: That's why I want to now I got to put
Speaker 2: him in the top twenty five. It's too late.
Speaker 1: Joshan Morton was the other one from the Chiefs that
Speaker 1: just I think he's gonna get paid a lot. A
Speaker 1: lot of people are watching Chiefs film during the during
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and he is a good god where do
Speaker 1: you have Godwin? I put him in the top ten
Speaker 1: just out of respect.
Speaker 3: I think the meris also if and when t gets tagged,
Speaker 3: like who else are you paying up there?
Speaker 1: Darius Slayton should do well. Let's let's think it quickly.
Speaker 1: I know you got to go. I don't want to
Speaker 1: push you too hard here and take advantage of your time.
Speaker 1: You got to go do more live TV. What a
Speaker 1: schedule that Pella Sero has. They have him on from
Speaker 1: like seven or eight in the morning on Good Morning Football,
Speaker 1: and then he's got to take off the suit, put
Speaker 1: put it back on like eight hours later.
Speaker 2: And this shirt's got his shirts.
Speaker 3: Kind of wrinkled, you know the part down at the
Speaker 3: bottom that's just like completely wrinkling. You take it out
Speaker 3: of your pants the other day. I get to put
Speaker 3: that back in the pants. That's okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The wide receiver of market, I have Amari Cooper at thirteen,
Speaker 1: Darius Slayton and Mark eas Brown at forty two and
Speaker 1: forty three, Diami Brown who had a good playoff run
Speaker 1: at fifty. Stefan Diggs is at thirty. I thought he
Speaker 1: was sadly into a nice role. I know he's an
Speaker 1: older player, but just out of respect. Mike Williams is
Speaker 1: an interesting guy to me. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: teams have written him off. I do wonder a year
Speaker 1: more removed from a torn acl I had to give
Speaker 1: him some respect and put him in.
Speaker 2: A top secred I mean, Mike Williams when he's on.
Speaker 3: He's always been a streaky player, as everybody who's in
Speaker 3: fantasy knows, including me. I'm like a long time, long
Speaker 3: term Mike Williams owner, and it's like, you will get
Speaker 3: stretches where he's unbelievable, and then there's games where he disappears.
Speaker 2: Blake just watching him love.
Speaker 3: There's very few of those big body, vertical speed threat guys.
Speaker 3: He's one of them. And you're right, I mean another
Speaker 3: year coming off of a very serious injury, right, he'll
Speaker 3: be more expressive. It's not shocking to me. He took
Speaker 3: a little bit he never had, but Diggs. Diggs will
Speaker 3: be coming right back from his ACL as an older player.
Speaker 3: I still those guys they tend to get like the
Speaker 3: one year incentive laden types of deals. You know, one's
Speaker 3: coming off an injury too, and he's got a prior ACL.
Speaker 3: He's always on the injury report with the knee. My
Speaker 3: belief is still somebody's gonna pay him just because they're
Speaker 3: gonna look at the alternatives and say this is clearly
Speaker 3: the best guy out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the end of the list, it's not deep.
Speaker 1: Elijah Moore, I had to it hurt me, but DeAndre
Speaker 1: Hopkins and Keenan Allen are are towards the back of
Speaker 1: the the one on one. Two great players, but not
Speaker 1: at their best right now. It was a red flag
Speaker 1: for me that Hopkins could not produce with Patrick Mams.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna have a better situation.
Speaker 3: Well, hop hop just kind of runs his own route
Speaker 3: tree and I think that that takes time for the
Speaker 3: quarterback to get on the same page. Keenan Allen new
Speaker 3: place didn't work out on anybody wanted to in Chicago.
Speaker 3: He's a competitor's he's thirty five. I think he's older now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you know another guy who he absolutely he's got
Speaker 3: a place in the league here.
Speaker 2: It's just a matter of like thirty three, don't you
Speaker 2: try to thirty three?
Speaker 1: Okay, I try to age this guy, all right, And yes,
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb at twenty nine is my one on one.
Speaker 1: I didn't finish my thought earlier, but uh, yes, one
Speaker 1: on one stays there.
Speaker 2: For X one onesub.
Speaker 1: It's a position of respect because I know he's coming
Speaker 1: off these serious injuries. But this is a Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame talent, Hall of Fame person, so you want to
Speaker 1: bet on the person I thought he would represent.
Speaker 2: One on one.
Speaker 3: Well, uns seed to the Browns, try to get something done.
Speaker 3: They did the deal with him last year knowing he
Speaker 3: was gonna miss most of the season. Do you take
Speaker 3: one more run? Does he want to go someplace? So
Speaker 3: it's not gonna be a ton of money. He's a
Speaker 3: bad dude though, you know when he's out there, if
Speaker 3: he can capture some of what he was, we'll go.
Speaker 1: He is also a bad dude. Tom Pellisero, he's made
Speaker 1: nice with the en Rappaport. These two guys, they're dominating
Speaker 1: the insider gang game. I will say it right now
Speaker 1: for Tom Pelisaro. Appreciate the time you got man. We
Speaker 1: will be back on Tuesday. Like I mentioned, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have some general manager interviews. Jordan rod Rieg of The
Speaker 1: Athletic will also join me on the show. And yes,
Speaker 1: it will be coming out earlier in the days. We'll
Speaker 1: just send it once we get all the news, because look,
Speaker 1: it's not that just the gms we're talking to the coaches.
Speaker 1: The gms for every single team are going to be
Speaker 1: at these podiums over.
Speaker 2: The next couple days.
Speaker 1: A lot news coming out of that until then, Yeah, look,
Speaker 1: when we're back in Indianapolis. It almost feels like football
Speaker 1: is back, but no, it's still the regular season for now.
Speaker 2: See a Tuesday