WEBVTT - The Origins of Earthlink

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love all things tech and I thought today

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<v Speaker 1>we could talk about a tech company that has its

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<v Speaker 1>headquarters in my hometown of Atlanta, Georgia, though that's not

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<v Speaker 1>where our story will begin. And it's a company that,

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<v Speaker 1>for the first few years of its existence, made customers

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<v Speaker 1>get cozy with the following sound. Yep, that's the sound

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<v Speaker 1>of a dial up modem making a connection with another modem.

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<v Speaker 1>And the company is earth Link, which is very much

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<v Speaker 1>an active company today, though that might surprise some of

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<v Speaker 1>you who might think that it had its heyday and

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<v Speaker 1>then just faded into obscurity. Nope, it's still here. I

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<v Speaker 1>passed the building sometimes here in Atlanta. So we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to learn about the history of earth Link, what the

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<v Speaker 1>company does, and we're gonna learn a bit about how

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet works and dial up modems as well, because heck,

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<v Speaker 1>this is tech stuff. Also because we're covering so much stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>we're looking at a couple of episodes here, my favorite,

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<v Speaker 1>but to tell the story of earth Link will also

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<v Speaker 1>have to dive into a lot of other stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>to really understand what's going on. So we're going to have,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, a refresher on how the Internet works

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<v Speaker 1>from a structural standpoint. I'm not going to get into

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<v Speaker 1>protocols or any of that, but more of a high

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<v Speaker 1>level look at how the Internet works. And we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to understand what Internet service providers do and why they're

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<v Speaker 1>a necessity for the vast majority of us. And we'll

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<v Speaker 1>also learn about a company that competed with earth Link

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<v Speaker 1>early on and why that company is the reason that

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<v Speaker 1>earth Link has its HQ in Atlanta. So this might take,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like I said, a couple of episodes to

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<v Speaker 1>cover everything, but it's a great way to learn about

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet in general and the gradual shift to broadband

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<v Speaker 1>methods of connecting to the Internet. Now, our story begins

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen seventies with a fellow named Sky Dylan Dayton.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to make a Sky is the Limit

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<v Speaker 1>joke here, but if you do even a cursory Internet

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<v Speaker 1>search for Sky Dayton and that's d A Y T

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<v Speaker 1>O N, you will see that I have been beaten

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<v Speaker 1>by the punch by hang on. Let me check my notes. Um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>looks like everybody, So I'm gonna spare you and Mr

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<v Speaker 1>Dayton the hacky pun this time. Dayton was born in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy one in New York City. His family relocated

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<v Speaker 1>to Los Angeles when he was a bebe and his

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<v Speaker 1>parents were both artists. His father, Wendell Dayton, was a

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<v Speaker 1>sculptor and his mother, Alice DeWitt, was a musician poet.

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<v Speaker 1>Alice's father, David DeWitt, was an IBM fellow and appointed

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<v Speaker 1>position with an IBM that marks distinguished achievement at the company.

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<v Speaker 1>And so now we begin our tale. Sky's parents relocated

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<v Speaker 1>from New York to Los Angeles in nineteen seventy two,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would divorce in nineteen seventy five, and they

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<v Speaker 1>shared custody of young Sky. Wendell Dayton took on jobs

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<v Speaker 1>as a carpenter to earn money for Sky's education. And

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<v Speaker 1>side note, Wendell's story is actually a pretty incredible one.

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<v Speaker 1>He made really interesting sculptures that were reflective of his

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<v Speaker 1>time in New York City. They kind of grew out

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<v Speaker 1>of artistic movements that were prevalent in New York City

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<v Speaker 1>in the seventies. And late sixties, but that unfortunately meant

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<v Speaker 1>that they didn't really mesh with the artistic movements that

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<v Speaker 1>were prevalent in Los Angeles. There was a different kind

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<v Speaker 1>of artistic philosophy in that part of the country. In addition,

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<v Speaker 1>Wendell really hated submitting his art to galleries. He was

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<v Speaker 1>reluctant to do it. It caused him a lot of anxiety,

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<v Speaker 1>so he largely went unrecognized for his work until he

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<v Speaker 1>got a big break in when he was eighty years

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<v Speaker 1>old and a gallery held an exhibit that showed off

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<v Speaker 1>his work from like six decades of his sculpture. He

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<v Speaker 1>passed away in twenty nineteen. I can't find much information

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<v Speaker 1>about Alice DeWitt, which really is a shame. I find

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<v Speaker 1>references to her being a poet and a dancer in

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<v Speaker 1>addition to being a musician, but it's hard to track

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<v Speaker 1>down specifics, and it's quite possible that I'm just looking

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<v Speaker 1>in the wrong places. But I find it's sad that

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<v Speaker 1>I can't find out much about her as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>finding full articles about Wendel. As for David DeWitt, it's

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<v Speaker 1>important to note this is not the same David DeWitt

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<v Speaker 1>who is a pioneer with database technology Ease and is

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<v Speaker 1>a technical fellow with Microsoft. The David DeWitt and Sky's

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<v Speaker 1>family became an IBM fellow in nineteen seventy, and that

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<v Speaker 1>timeline just doesn't work out with the Microsoft technical fellow

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<v Speaker 1>David DeWitt, who got his PhD in the mid seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't find much more information about David DeWitt, but

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<v Speaker 1>I know that Sky Dayton has written about visiting his

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<v Speaker 1>grandfather's office in Palo Alto, California as a child and

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<v Speaker 1>being introduced to technology around that time. Not long after

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<v Speaker 1>that visit with his grandfather, Sky got his first computer,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a Sinclair z X eight e one. These

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<v Speaker 1>computers came from Dundee, Scotland, and they were made by

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<v Speaker 1>time X, the watch company. Sky was nine years old

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, so that puts the set around nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty and honestly, I'm kind of shocked that that was

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<v Speaker 1>his first computer. I would have pegged it as an

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<v Speaker 1>Apple too, being out of California in the early eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>that would have been the right kind of timing that

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<v Speaker 1>to be the first computer, especially since the Sinclair computers

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<v Speaker 1>were not nearly as well known here in the States

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<v Speaker 1>as they were in Europe. Anyway, back to our story.

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<v Speaker 1>At some point in his childhood, Sky's parents enrolled him

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<v Speaker 1>in the Delphian School, which is a private boarding school

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<v Speaker 1>in Oregon. The school covers grades kindergarten through twelve, and

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<v Speaker 1>they had fewer than three hundred students, so the students

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<v Speaker 1>would actually live at the school and go to school

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<v Speaker 1>and stay there. And the school doesn't follow the same

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<v Speaker 1>sort of curricula and structure as public schools in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. From what I understand, it seems like students

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<v Speaker 1>really stay on a subject until they have shown an

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<v Speaker 1>understanding and mastery of that subject, rather than having to

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<v Speaker 1>move on at a set time. So, for example, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were particularly strong in the field of algebra, you

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<v Speaker 1>might complete that course before a school year is up

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<v Speaker 1>and then move on to the next course in mathematics

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<v Speaker 1>or flip wise, if you found it particularly challenging, you

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<v Speaker 1>might just stick with algebra a little bit longer in

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<v Speaker 1>order to reach that level of understanding. There wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>at this arbitrary date you must move on or be

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<v Speaker 1>held back. Sky Dayton graduated from the Delphian School in

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<v Speaker 1>nine and rather than apply to college, he decided to

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<v Speaker 1>strike out into business, and one early entrepreneurial endeavor was

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<v Speaker 1>a coffee shop and art gallery that he co founded

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<v Speaker 1>with a friend. The name of the shop was Cafe Mocha.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen two, Dayton would co found another business with

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<v Speaker 1>a friend, a different friend, and this business was a

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<v Speaker 1>design company that created graphics and layouts for advertising campaigns,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was called Dayton Slash Walker Design. But something

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<v Speaker 1>else was starting to consume Sky's attention. See Sky wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to connect to the Internet. In the nineteen eighties, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a growing culture of bulletin board systems or bbs is.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is not Internet, but it's similar, And here's

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<v Speaker 1>how they would work. Someone would set up a computer

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<v Speaker 1>to act as a bulletin board, to host the bulletin board,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was kind of like a web server, except

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<v Speaker 1>this approach had a computer standing as its own little island,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would host stuff like message boards and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>some files. And the bbs would have a specific phone

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<v Speaker 1>number associated with it, or maybe a small bank of

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<v Speaker 1>phone numbers, and that would allow people to dial directly

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<v Speaker 1>into the computer. So there are no other connections here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's computer to computer connections. And computer owners with a

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<v Speaker 1>dial up modem would use their modem to call the

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<v Speaker 1>BBS number. I'll get into the process of what happens

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<v Speaker 1>with dial up modems a little bit later in this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>but essentially what happens is that the user and the

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<v Speaker 1>BBS computer connect to each other and then they can

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<v Speaker 1>interact with the actual stuff that's on the BBS. By

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<v Speaker 1>the early nine nineties, we were starting to see this

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<v Speaker 1>transition into actual Internet services. The Internet had already been

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<v Speaker 1>a thing for a while, but only a small percentage

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<v Speaker 1>of folks in the general population even knew about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was largely the domain no pun intended of academia

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<v Speaker 1>and some research facilities, and then a few government divisions,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly the military. And keep in mind that is when

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<v Speaker 1>Tim berners Lee would really start working on the earliest

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<v Speaker 1>web pages. Is typically when people say that he built

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<v Speaker 1>the first one. So this is really pre Worldwide Web

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<v Speaker 1>that hadn't really taken off yet. Rather than connect to

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<v Speaker 1>the Worldwide Web, people were using the Internet to do

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like send emails or use FTP as in File

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<v Speaker 1>Transfer Protocol, or maybe use tell net, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>way to create a virtual terminal connection between multiple machines

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<v Speaker 1>for the purposes of text based communication. The main method

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<v Speaker 1>of connecting to theseervices was through dial up modems, but

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<v Speaker 1>the process of connecting wasn't always a smooth one. The

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<v Speaker 1>early online service providers and Internet service providers were essentially

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<v Speaker 1>working out the bugs in the system, and it often

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<v Speaker 1>meant that it could take a long time to connect,

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<v Speaker 1>or connections would drop, or sometimes you would lose stuff

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<v Speaker 1>in mid transfer. Online service providers like America Online, Prodigy,

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<v Speaker 1>and compu Serve would allow users to access a suite

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<v Speaker 1>of services and features that were contained within those services,

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<v Speaker 1>but they had little or sometimes no access to the

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<v Speaker 1>Internet at large, So it's more like logging into a

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<v Speaker 1>glorified bulletin board system, a big one, but one that

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<v Speaker 1>still had barriers, and it usually meant that if you

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<v Speaker 1>were a customer of one and your buddy was a

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<v Speaker 1>customer of another one, you couldn't send messages to each

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<v Speaker 1>other because you were confined by the barriers of that service.

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<v Speaker 1>Internet service providers, which gave access to the Internet at

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<v Speaker 1>large were not that common yet. Then there was the

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<v Speaker 1>world widely recognized as the first commercial I s P.

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<v Speaker 1>Not universally recognized as such, but there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people who argue it was and that launched in

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<v Speaker 1>There were a couple of others, but they were pretty

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<v Speaker 1>limited and Sky Dayton found the experience of connecting to

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet really irritating, and to make matters worse, the

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<v Speaker 1>company he was using didn't have a good customer service department.

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<v Speaker 1>This kind of got the wheels turning in Sky's head.

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<v Speaker 1>Right around nine, he started thinking about launching his own

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<v Speaker 1>Internet service provider company, and he wanted to have more

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<v Speaker 1>of a focus on customer service. I think it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>obvious to say that creating an I s P is

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<v Speaker 1>not a small endeavor. It's a big, big challenge. So

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<v Speaker 1>Dayton sought out investors to help fund his venture, and

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<v Speaker 1>he secured one thousand dollars from a pair of them,

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin O'Donnell and Read Slatkin, in the process. O'Donnell still

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<v Speaker 1>heads major investment initiatives to this day, working with Adam Street. Slatkin,

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<v Speaker 1>who passed away in became infamous for running one of

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<v Speaker 1>the largest Ponzi schemes in history. Now, if you are

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<v Speaker 1>not familiar with that term, a Ponzi scheme is a

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<v Speaker 1>way of perpetuating a cycle of investments that is in

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<v Speaker 1>the long run unsustainable, And I'll give you a very

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<v Speaker 1>high level rundown on how it works. So let's say

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<v Speaker 1>you're running an investment fund and you raise one thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars from an initial round of investors using some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of scheme. Doesn't matter what the scheme is, doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>what you're telling people they're investing in. Maybe you've told

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<v Speaker 1>everyone you're gonna sell marching band equipment to small towns

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<v Speaker 1>in the Midwest. But you've got your initial investment of

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred thousand dollars and you start living high off

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<v Speaker 1>the hog. You're spending money, but investors expect a return

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<v Speaker 1>on the investments they put in, meaning you now have

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<v Speaker 1>an obligation to try and not just pay them back,

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<v Speaker 1>but pay them back on top of their investment to

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<v Speaker 1>give them a profit, or at least make a payment

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<v Speaker 1>to those investors. Except your whole scheme is faulty, either

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<v Speaker 1>on purpose or just by circumstance. So instead you hold

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<v Speaker 1>a second round of investments. Let's say this time you're

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<v Speaker 1>asking for two hundred thousand dollars, and you use some

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<v Speaker 1>of that two dollars to pay off at least part

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<v Speaker 1>of your first round of investors to kind of get

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<v Speaker 1>them off your back. Meanwhile, you keep living high on

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<v Speaker 1>the hog. You're still spending lots of money. But hey,

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<v Speaker 1>now you owe money to that second round of investors,

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<v Speaker 1>and potentially you still owe some money to the first round.

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<v Speaker 1>So then you hold another round of investment, this time

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<v Speaker 1>maybe for a million dollars, and so on and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you see, the scheme tends to get bigger

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<v Speaker 1>over time, and eventually you hit a point where you're

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<v Speaker 1>just not going to be able to keep up with it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it all comes crashing down. Now. To really learn

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<v Speaker 1>about this scheme and why it's called a Ponzi scheme,

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<v Speaker 1>I highly recommend you check out a classic Stuff you

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<v Speaker 1>Should Know episode titled How Ponzi Schemes Work. It published

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<v Speaker 1>originally way back in two thousand nine. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>fantastic episode. Slatkin was running one of the biggest Ponzi

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<v Speaker 1>schemes in history, and many of his victims were celebrities.

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<v Speaker 1>Slatkin was also a member of the Church of Scientology,

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<v Speaker 1>with more than a few of his marks his targets

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<v Speaker 1>also being fellow members. But hey, members of Scientology were

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<v Speaker 1>used to handing over enormous amounts of cash to someone else.

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<v Speaker 1>Not to learn more about that, I recommend checking out

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast Scientology Fair Game. It's incredibly well done and

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<v Speaker 1>also just a trigger warning, has a lot of really

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<v Speaker 1>upsetting stuff in it. Slatkin had been part of Scientology

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<v Speaker 1>since the nineteen seventies, so in retrospect, slat kins involvement

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<v Speaker 1>with the early days of earth Link is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a shameful past sort of thing, though I suspect at

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<v Speaker 1>the time no one really knew about this particular m

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<v Speaker 1>O of his. He wasn't found out and prosecuted by

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<v Speaker 1>the U S Securities and Exchange Commission or SEC until

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand one, and whether earned honestly or through deception,

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<v Speaker 1>slat can put forward some of the seed money that

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<v Speaker 1>Dayton needed to get things moving. Dayton would start earth

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<v Speaker 1>Link in California. Now. According to Wired, the company initially

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<v Speaker 1>offered connections to the Internet at large through one of

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<v Speaker 1>its ten modems. That's one zero, That's all he had.

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<v Speaker 1>This was inherently different from online service providers like Prodigy

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<v Speaker 1>or a o L which, again we're mostly confining you

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<v Speaker 1>to the OSPs own self contained network. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>big limitations of those OSPs, as I mentioned, is that

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't communicate between two of them to Typically there

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<v Speaker 1>were some that would make arrangements with one another, but

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<v Speaker 1>it meant that they had limited utility unless everyone you

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<v Speaker 1>knew happened to be on the same osp The Internet

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<v Speaker 1>really offered up a new opportunity to connect people and

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<v Speaker 1>services no matter what network they were on, assuming that

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<v Speaker 1>network was in turn connected to the Internet itself and

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't restricting access. That promise of the Internet, that ability

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<v Speaker 1>to connect to practically limitless people and services, would become

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<v Speaker 1>a driving force for development in the nineteen nineties. It

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<v Speaker 1>got a big boost starting in nine with the introduction

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<v Speaker 1>of the Mosaic browser and the early days of the

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<v Speaker 1>Worldwide Web, and so earth Link launched in nineteen, along

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<v Speaker 1>with a few other competing I s p s, some

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<v Speaker 1>of which came out before earth Link, some that came

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<v Speaker 1>out around the same time, a couple that followed immediately after,

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<v Speaker 1>and then after that there was an explosion. Among those

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<v Speaker 1>was another important I sp in our story called mind Spring.

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<v Speaker 1>When we come back, I'm going to cover some early

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<v Speaker 1>Internet history and the roles of I s p s

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<v Speaker 1>in those early days, so that we get an understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of what exactly the business here was. But first let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick break. All right, we need to get

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<v Speaker 1>an understanding of how the Internet works to grasp why

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<v Speaker 1>Internet service providers are even a thing. I mean, after all,

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't you just be able to connect right to the

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<v Speaker 1>Internet and just skip that whole I s P. Thing. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get it sorted. But let me give you a warning.

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<v Speaker 1>There are actually a lot of different ways to describe

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<v Speaker 1>how the Internet works, even if you're doing it from

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<v Speaker 1>a very high level. So this is just one way

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<v Speaker 1>to describe the relationship of various uh entities that are

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<v Speaker 1>part of the Internet. So the first thing we need

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<v Speaker 1>to establish is that the Internet is a network of networks.

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<v Speaker 1>They are frequently referred to as autonomous systems or a

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<v Speaker 1>s S. So network and autonomous system are essentially synonymous.

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<v Speaker 1>So network is really a bunch of interconnected devices that

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<v Speaker 1>can communicate with one another, either directly and dedicated lines

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<v Speaker 1>of communication or through various communication hubs. So you've got

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<v Speaker 1>your computers, some of which your servers, some of which

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<v Speaker 1>our clients. You've got your physical lines of communication. Because

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna skip over things like WiFi for right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and you've got your switches and your routers that make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that the proper connections form between machines. So when

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<v Speaker 1>someone on computer A sends something to someone on computer B,

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<v Speaker 1>the switches and routers make sure that the data from

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<v Speaker 1>A goes to be and not to say computer F

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<v Speaker 1>or every computer on the system. You can have a

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<v Speaker 1>network like this be completely self contained. It does not

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<v Speaker 1>have to be part of the Internet, but you could

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<v Speaker 1>connected to other networks like you could have these networks

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<v Speaker 1>then connect to multiple other networks. However, as new networks

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<v Speaker 1>join up and established connections to yet more networks, things

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<v Speaker 1>start getting exponentially more complicated. If you are starting up

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<v Speaker 1>a brand new computer network, establishing a direct line of

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<v Speaker 1>communication with every other computer network that exists would be

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<v Speaker 1>practically impossible, right. I mean, maybe in the very early

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<v Speaker 1>days of the commercial Internet you can manage this if

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<v Speaker 1>you had enough resources, but today it would be almost

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to do. Over time, we saw the development of

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<v Speaker 1>what we would call the Internet backbone. Now, this describes

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<v Speaker 1>a sort of nexus of data routes. All the physical cables,

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<v Speaker 1>the switches, the routers through which data can travel to

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<v Speaker 1>get from one network to another. The early origins of

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<v Speaker 1>the backbone date to the days when the Internet was

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<v Speaker 1>almost exclusively the domain of the academic world. The National

0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Science Foundation in the United States a k a. The

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<v Speaker 1>n s F was instrumental in creating a major foundation

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<v Speaker 1>for this backbone. Until nine, all of the data traveling

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<v Speaker 1>across the NSF net was from universities and research facilities.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no commercial connection to the Internet over the

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<v Speaker 1>nsfuh net at this point. And here's where things really

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<v Speaker 1>got complicated. See, the n s F net was one network,

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<v Speaker 1>but telecommunications companies were starting to build out their own networks,

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<v Speaker 1>including those physical connections that link networks together. First they

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<v Speaker 1>did so internally so that you had like the A,

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<v Speaker 1>T and T internal network, and then later they started

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<v Speaker 1>to connect with each other so that they could do

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<v Speaker 1>data exchanges. NSF net agreed to carry commercial traffic across

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<v Speaker 1>its network connections to deliver to other networks. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was acting as a conduit which would allow customers of

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<v Speaker 1>network one communicate and send files or received files from

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<v Speaker 1>people using you know, network number two. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>the birthplace of the Internet backbone. The big telecommunications companies

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<v Speaker 1>building out their own miles of cable with switches and

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<v Speaker 1>routers were creating kind of their own backbones, but these

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<v Speaker 1>would become interconnected with the infrastructure of n s F

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<v Speaker 1>net and other big companies and thus making the backbone

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<v Speaker 1>more robust. You can think of it as just a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of cables all twisting together to form an extra

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<v Speaker 1>thick cable and there was a clear benefit to interconnecting

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<v Speaker 1>these networks with one another, but there was also the

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<v Speaker 1>question of how would these interconnections work From a business perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>Building out infrastructure costs a lot of money, and those

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<v Speaker 1>components have limitations on how much data they can handle

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<v Speaker 1>at one time, as well as how an increasingly large

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<v Speaker 1>demand for services can cause congestion through a network. So

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<v Speaker 1>there were questions about how networks would handle the exchange

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<v Speaker 1>of data between one network and another. And we historically

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<v Speaker 1>describe these networks that connect to one another in the

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<v Speaker 1>form of tiers. That's t I, E R. So a

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<v Speaker 1>Tier one network is really large, typically a global reach

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<v Speaker 1>network that's interconnected, and it serves as part of the

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<v Speaker 1>key components of the Internet backbone. Just so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the definitions for the different tiers are a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>loosey goosey, But essentially, a Tier one network does not

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<v Speaker 1>have to pay for the privilege of sending data to

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<v Speaker 1>or receiving data from other networks. It's called peering. A

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<v Speaker 1>Tier two network has to pay for some transit privileges.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, it has to pay some other networks

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<v Speaker 1>for the privilege of being able to transfer data between

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<v Speaker 1>the two, but it has agreements in place with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of other networks where it's the same sort of

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<v Speaker 1>thing of peering, where it doesn't have to make those

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<v Speaker 1>those transit payments. Then you have Tier three networks which

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<v Speaker 1>do not have that level of cloud they have to

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<v Speaker 1>pay those transit fees. So let's say you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>tier one network like a T and T. A T

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<v Speaker 1>and T S network consists of millions and millions and

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<v Speaker 1>millions of devices, including web servers, network switches, cables, traffic routers.

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<v Speaker 1>This network is really huge. And if you've got two

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<v Speaker 1>computers that are on the A T and T network,

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<v Speaker 1>and all the connections between those two computers are essentially

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<v Speaker 1>on a T and T S network, then you've got

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<v Speaker 1>an intra network connection going on. Doesn't matter if they're

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<v Speaker 1>across the country from each other. If it's on that

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<v Speaker 1>one network, the data never actually has to leave the

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<v Speaker 1>provenance of a T and T in theory anyway. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's say that you're on a device that connects to

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<v Speaker 1>a T and T S network and you want to

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<v Speaker 1>connect to a server that's on a different Tier one network,

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<v Speaker 1>like one that's on Lumen Technologies network. Any data exchange

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<v Speaker 1>is going to have to pass from one network to another.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you think of network connections like private roads,

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about going from one private community into another

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<v Speaker 1>private community. But there's a lot of traffic that goes

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth between these two huge entities, and figuring

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<v Speaker 1>out how to charge for that would be a nightmare,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly since you could see big shifts in the direction

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<v Speaker 1>of data flow. And usually it all comes out as

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<v Speaker 1>a wash anyway, with each network owing pretty much the

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<v Speaker 1>same amount to the other network. And so these Tier

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<v Speaker 1>one networks have established these agreements called peering agreements with

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<v Speaker 1>other Tier one networks. And what these agreements say essentially

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<v Speaker 1>is that, yeah, I'll accept data from your network on

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<v Speaker 1>my lines if you do the same for me, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll call it even and Stephen. To be a Tier

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<v Speaker 1>one you've got to be big with a global or

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<v Speaker 1>nearly global reach, and that's that sort of access is

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<v Speaker 1>way too grand for most networks. Tier two networks typically

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<v Speaker 1>have a large reach, though not necessarily a global one,

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<v Speaker 1>and they can have peering agreements with other Tier two

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<v Speaker 1>networks creating you know, regional access points. So in this case,

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<v Speaker 1>if Tier two Network A and Tier two Network B

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<v Speaker 1>are both connected to a regional access point, the same

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<v Speaker 1>one data can travel up from a user on Network A,

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<v Speaker 1>upstream to that regional access point, crossover to Network B,

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<v Speaker 1>and go downstream to a target computer and there's no

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<v Speaker 1>need for the data to go all the way up

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<v Speaker 1>to the backbone in that case. But let's say you've

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<v Speaker 1>got Tier two networks C and it's not connected to

0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 1>that same regional access point. While in that case, the

0:25:57.359 --> 0:26:00.960
<v Speaker 1>data from network AY has to travel up stream beyond

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 1>that regional access point, further up the chain to the

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Internet backbone, then back down the backbone into network C

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:12.200
<v Speaker 1>and down to the destination. And there could be transit

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<v Speaker 1>fees associated with that because the Tier two network has

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<v Speaker 1>to interface with the Tier one networks that are associated

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<v Speaker 1>with the backbone. But hey, there's more. We've got Tier

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<v Speaker 1>three networks as well. Now these include smaller, typically local

0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I s p s like earth Link. These companies connect

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<v Speaker 1>up to another network, either Tier two or Tier one,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have to pay for the privilege to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>In return, the Tier three network can send data to

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<v Speaker 1>and received data from anywhere else on the Internet, and

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<v Speaker 1>the way that they pass that cost on is through

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<v Speaker 1>the subscription services to the customers. And the reason you

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<v Speaker 1>need an I s P is that you as an

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 1>individual can't really go to a Tier two or a

0:26:57.119 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Tier one network and negotiate a direct connection to that

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<v Speaker 1>network and transit fees so that you can tap into

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:09.400
<v Speaker 1>their physical infrastructure to operate across the Internet. At least,

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:12.440
<v Speaker 1>you can't do that unless you have what is known

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<v Speaker 1>in the technical world as a metric crap ton of money. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you do have a metric crap ton of money,

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<v Speaker 1>you might be able to manage it, but it would

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<v Speaker 1>be wicked expensive. So the I s p s serve

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<v Speaker 1>as a liaison between the end customer, whether it's a

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<v Speaker 1>business or someone like me or you, and the infrastructure

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<v Speaker 1>of the Internet at large. The rates you pay your

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<v Speaker 1>I s P might partly go to costs like transit

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<v Speaker 1>fees if your I s P is Tier two or lower,

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<v Speaker 1>And it could also go to funding more infrastructure in

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<v Speaker 1>the future, or hey, it might just go to boosting

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 1>profits and making shareholders happy. Let's be honest, a lot

0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:59.679
<v Speaker 1>of the money is going to that. This arrangement shook

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:02.600
<v Speaker 1>out over the early years of the Internet. It wasn't

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:05.640
<v Speaker 1>something that was planned out from the beginning. This had

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:09.919
<v Speaker 1>to form organically over those early years and things were

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>still kind of influx when earth Link launched. In the

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 1>company's ten modems would accept incoming calls from customers and

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:22.920
<v Speaker 1>then connect them with a network access point further upstream

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:26.359
<v Speaker 1>to tap into the Internet at large. Earth Link charged

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 1>customers a fee to access the service, and part of

0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:32.440
<v Speaker 1>earth links costs included those transit fees that it provided

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 1>in return for access to the Internet. And while we're

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:38.640
<v Speaker 1>on the subject of technical discussions, remember when I played

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 1>that modem sound at the beginning of the show, You

0:28:41.080 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 1>know this one. What the heck does that sound mean? Well,

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 1>let's go through it a bit by bit. Now. The

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 1>very first sound we hear is the modem effectively activating

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:13.920
<v Speaker 1>the phone line. It says, if you were to pick

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 1>up a landline in any location. You start to hear

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:23.240
<v Speaker 1>the ringtone, then we hear the modem dial a number.

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 1>That number corresponds with whatever service you're dialing into. It

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 1>could be a BBS, in which case you're dialing direct

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 1>into a modem that connects to the BBS administrator's computer,

0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 1>or you could be dialing into an I s P,

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>which then completes the connection to the Internet at large.

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Next follows that weird series of noises, and here's where

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:50.840
<v Speaker 1>things get pretty interesting. Computers are digital. They run on

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:55.480
<v Speaker 1>binary signals, which consists of zeros and ones the old

0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 1>off and on switch, and you can think of a

0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 1>binary signal is really a bunch of discrete binary values.

0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 1>It's not like a sign wave. It's a bunch of

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 1>zeros in one, so it looks more like little stair

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 1>steps than uh and flat planes and things like that,

0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:18.120
<v Speaker 1>rather than a curved line that is unbroken. But communication

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 1>over phone lines is analog, not binary, not digital. So

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 1>the phone converts sound waves into an electrical signal with

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 1>varying voltage, which is a constant signal, not a set

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 1>of discrete values, and then the phone at the other

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.720
<v Speaker 1>end of the phone call takes this electric signal with

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:40.680
<v Speaker 1>varying voltage and converts it back into sound. Now, I'm

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 1>not going to go into all of that and how

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 1>that works because it's not important for our discussion, and

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 1>I've also covered in another episodes. But the modem's purpose

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:52.680
<v Speaker 1>is to take the digital signals of the computer and

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 1>convert them into something that can pass through an analog

0:30:56.040 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 1>transmission line. So it modulates the signal, coding it as sound,

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>which in turn gets converted into the electrical signal with

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:08.880
<v Speaker 1>varying voltage. A modem on the opposite end receives this

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 1>modulated signal and demodulates it back into binary digital information.

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Years later, the f c C in the United States

0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:22.960
<v Speaker 1>began to work on the transition of shutting down the

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 1>analog phone network, which was largely obsolete, but at this

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:29.960
<v Speaker 1>point in the early nineties, it still was very much

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 1>a thing. Okay, So getting back to the sound of

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 1>the modem, the next couple of weird tones we hear

0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:40.200
<v Speaker 1>represents that the two modems in question are agreeing on

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 1>what speed they can actually work together in order to

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 1>do the next couple of steps. So they're setting the

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:48.959
<v Speaker 1>ground rules of how quickly they can go back and

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:51.160
<v Speaker 1>forth with each other. So in the good old days,

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 1>he had modems with different amount of information that could

0:31:55.000 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 1>be set by that modem per second. Oh hey, it's

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 1>future Jonathan breaking into this episode to fix something that

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 1>I said when I first recorded this particular episode that

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 1>was wrong. So here's what I did say. I said

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 1>that when earth Link launched, the standard modem speed at

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 1>the time was fifty bits per second. That part isn't correct,

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 1>but it gets worse. But at the time that earth

0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Link launched, the fast consumer modems that were on the

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 1>market were capable of handling data at twenty eight point

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 1>eight kilobits per second. Those were the fastest ones that

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:37.479
<v Speaker 1>were available at the time, which is not fast by

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:43.000
<v Speaker 1>modern standards. And these were BAWD modems. And when I

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 1>first sat down to record this episode, I made a

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 1>common mistake, which was that I talked about bawd and

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>bits per second as if they are the same thing,

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:55.600
<v Speaker 1>and they are not. So if you hear someone say

0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 1>a modem is undred baud, this does not mean that

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 1>the modem tray submitted data at two point four kilobits

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:06.480
<v Speaker 1>or two thousand, four hundred bits per second. In fact,

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 1>hundred baud modems had a range of speeds from nine

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 1>point six kill a bits per second all the way

0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:16.719
<v Speaker 1>up to nineteen point two kill a bits per second.

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 1>There were old modems that did top out at two thousand,

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 1>four hundred bits per second, but they were not twenty

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:26.920
<v Speaker 1>four hundred bawd modems. They were actually either six hundred

0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:31.600
<v Speaker 1>bawd or twelve hundred baud modems, so remember bawd and

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>bits per second are different. Also, while the top consumer

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 1>modems of the time could reach speeds of twenty eight

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 1>point eight kill a bits per second, it was possible

0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 1>to lease phone lines. Companies could do this and achieve

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 1>speeds of up to fifty six kill a bits per second,

0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:52.040
<v Speaker 1>but consumer modems would not reach those speeds until the

0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 1>late nineteen nineties. As you listen to the rest of

0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 1>this episode, I might trip up a bit on that,

0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>but I wanted to use this opportunity to address a

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:04.320
<v Speaker 1>goof that I made early on. Anyway, at this point

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:07.479
<v Speaker 1>in the modem noise sequence, the two modems are figuring

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 1>out what speed they can communicate so that they can

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:14.800
<v Speaker 1>set the rest of the rules. All right, pass Jonathan,

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 1>take it away. The next few signals are a handshake

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 1>between the two modems that set various parameters that dictate

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:27.319
<v Speaker 1>stuff like the data bit number and parody between the

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:29.799
<v Speaker 1>two modems. To get into all of that would be

0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:32.640
<v Speaker 1>very technical, we're just going to skip over it. Essentially,

0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:34.960
<v Speaker 1>it's the rules by which the two modems will follow

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 1>as they exchange information. Then there's a rate negotiation for

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 1>how fast the modems will actually allow data to travel

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:45.360
<v Speaker 1>between them, and then the two modems establish a connection

0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 1>that allows for simultaneous communication, which means the modems can

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:52.799
<v Speaker 1>both send and receive data on the same line at

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:56.400
<v Speaker 1>the same time. Assuming all that goes well, the connection

0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 1>is accepted, and you finally hear the sound of actual

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 1>through it between the two modems before your modem speaker

0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>switches off, so you don't have to hear it the

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:10.440
<v Speaker 1>whole time you're on the Internet. Okay, that took a while,

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 1>but I felt it was necessary to understand earth links business.

0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 1>When we come back, we'll pick back up with earth Link,

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:27.920
<v Speaker 1>but first let's take another quick break now. As I mentioned,

0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 1>when earth Link launched in nine four, the Internet was

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:35.800
<v Speaker 1>in a rapid growth period and stuff like transit fees

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:39.719
<v Speaker 1>and peerage was still shaking out. Dayton's determination to have

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 1>an I s P with good customer service proved to

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:45.440
<v Speaker 1>be a popular notion, and his little company began to

0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 1>grow steadily. In earth Link and the newly formed Netscape

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:54.319
<v Speaker 1>Communications Corporation signed a deal that would really help out.

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:59.919
<v Speaker 1>Like earth Link, Netscape had launched in it had also

0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 1>introduced the mosaic Netscape browser, which quickly became the dominant

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 1>web browser on the market, though we should also remember

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:12.920
<v Speaker 1>this was a very small market by today's standards. Subsequently,

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 1>the company would name the browser Netscape Navigator, and it

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:20.719
<v Speaker 1>was a commercial web browser, meaning customers would need to

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 1>pay for it in order to install it on their machines, or,

0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 1>as was the case with earth Link, another company like

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 1>an I s P, could purchase a license to offer

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:36.320
<v Speaker 1>the browser on either machines or installation software that customers

0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 1>would then use. So you could be a computer manufacturer

0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 1>and make this deal and O E M in other words,

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>and then sell the computers to customers and it would

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 1>already have Netscape Navigator on it, or if you were

0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 1>earth Link, you would offer up an installation c D

0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:58.480
<v Speaker 1>that would include the Netscape Navigator browser to make it

0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:01.000
<v Speaker 1>really easy to connect to the World Wide Web and

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:05.919
<v Speaker 1>earth Link. Meanwhile, on the infrastructure side, earth Link made

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:09.319
<v Speaker 1>a really shrewd move. Rather than building out banks of

0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 1>telephones connected to various telephone company networks across the United States,

0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:19.359
<v Speaker 1>which would have been an administrative and maintenance nightmare to oversee,

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 1>instead earth Link least capacity from existing networks, and a

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of these were networks that were stuff that wasn't

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:32.400
<v Speaker 1>handling your your standard phone conversation communications. They were instead

0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:36.440
<v Speaker 1>networks that were dedicated to stuff like verifying credit card transactions.

0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 1>So earth Link would lease those lines to serve as

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 1>connection points for the Internet for their customers, routing incoming

0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:48.280
<v Speaker 1>calls from customers to available leased lines on these other companies,

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 1>And because the lines actually belonged to another company, earth

0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Link wasn't the one responsible to keep up with maintenance

0:37:56.520 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 1>on an increasingly complicated network. They were using exist sting

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 1>infrastructure that otherwise was being dormant. Earth Link also signed

0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:08.320
<v Speaker 1>an agreement with a company called you u Net Technologies.

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:11.520
<v Speaker 1>You you Net was one of the first I s

0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:14.839
<v Speaker 1>p s, having been founded in nineteen seven, so two

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 1>years before commercial Internet traffic actually started crossing the NSF

0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:23.680
<v Speaker 1>net backbone. It was also one of the tier one networks,

0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:27.839
<v Speaker 1>having built out a considerable infrastructure early on in the

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 1>Internet days, you you net was one of the largest

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:33.880
<v Speaker 1>and fastest growing I s p s in the world.

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Earth Links agreement meant that earth Link would connect customers

0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:41.640
<v Speaker 1>to you you net phone lines. The agreement meant that

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:44.719
<v Speaker 1>earth Link could sign up customers for service and give

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 1>those customers you you net dial up numbers, and in return,

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:51.760
<v Speaker 1>earth Link would pay you unt a fee to access

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 1>that dial up number bank and this dramatically increased earth

0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:59.280
<v Speaker 1>links reach, as you u net had access points across

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.359
<v Speaker 1>nearly one hundred cities in the United States. While earth

0:39:02.400 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Link was still physically really a regional I s P

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 1>mostly rooted out of the West Coast. Unit, by the way,

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:14.719
<v Speaker 1>has its own fascinating and complicated history, as it would

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:17.799
<v Speaker 1>go through a series of mergers and acquisitions over the years,

0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 1>and ultimately it would end up with Verizon, but that's

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:24.120
<v Speaker 1>a story for a different podcast. Oh and earth Link

0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:27.759
<v Speaker 1>also did something that really resonated with its customers. So

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:30.120
<v Speaker 1>in the early days of the Internet, and this was

0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:33.880
<v Speaker 1>back from the BBS days, the standard practice was for

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 1>a company like an OSP or an I s P

0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:41.400
<v Speaker 1>to charge customers two fees. The first fee was a

0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 1>recurring service fee, like a monthly fee. That's what gave

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:49.759
<v Speaker 1>customers access to the provider's services. But then there was

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:53.640
<v Speaker 1>a second fee, usually an hourly fee, and the more

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:56.800
<v Speaker 1>time a customer spent connected to a service each month,

0:39:57.239 --> 0:40:00.319
<v Speaker 1>the higher this fee would be. Now, in part, this

0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:02.960
<v Speaker 1>was a measure to help deal with the potential problem

0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>of traffic congestion. If a service became really popular, the

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 1>demand for those services could outstrip its capacity. So if

0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:15.520
<v Speaker 1>you've got ten phone lines and twelve people all want

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:17.759
<v Speaker 1>to connect to the Internet at the same time, you

0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 1>got a problem. So putting in an hourly fee would

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:24.359
<v Speaker 1>both maximize the revenue you were bringing in and act

0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 1>as a sort of limiting factor for individuals so that

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:31.480
<v Speaker 1>one person wouldn't take over an entire line by themselves,

0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, like log into the service and just never

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 1>log out. Well, that would be prohibitively expensive with the

0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:40.880
<v Speaker 1>hourly fee, so that helped prevent that from happening. So

0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 1>it's both for a traffic management purpose and a revenue

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 1>generating purpose, and customers hated it because it meant feeling

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:51.360
<v Speaker 1>like you were paying for the same thing twice. Earth

0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:55.240
<v Speaker 1>Link changed that by introducing a flat fee for its service,

0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:59.600
<v Speaker 1>so customers would pay nineteen dollars per month to earth Link.

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:03.000
<v Speaker 1>In return, they could access the service whenever they wanted,

0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 1>for as long as they wanted, with no hour leafees.

0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Earth Link could do this because of those relationships that

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:13.719
<v Speaker 1>the company had been making with other telecommunications companies and

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:16.720
<v Speaker 1>other I s p s. As long as earth Link's

0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:21.320
<v Speaker 1>capacity to make connections through its partners was ahead of demand,

0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:26.359
<v Speaker 1>the flat fee would work just fine. By earth Link

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:29.560
<v Speaker 1>was really taking off, and that's when Sky Dayton would

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:33.160
<v Speaker 1>step down as CEO. He stayed on board as the

0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:37.440
<v Speaker 1>chairman of earth Link, but the new CEO was Charles

0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Gary Betty. And while this isn't an episode about Dayton himself,

0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:45.160
<v Speaker 1>I do find it interesting that Dayton has a bit

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 1>of a history of founding companies, getting them up and

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:52.480
<v Speaker 1>running and on the precipice of becoming, you know, truly huge,

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:55.200
<v Speaker 1>and then he steps back and then he does it

0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:57.880
<v Speaker 1>all over again with a new company. And he reminds

0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:01.800
<v Speaker 1>me of several other entrepreneurs who really excel in getting

0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:04.719
<v Speaker 1>business ideas off the ground, but then they prefer to

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:08.520
<v Speaker 1>step away to launch something else that's new, because that's

0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:11.640
<v Speaker 1>their real strong suit, and they'll hand the reins over

0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:14.560
<v Speaker 1>to a different leader in order to foster the company

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<v Speaker 1>into its next phase. So that was Gary Betty's role.

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<v Speaker 1>When Gary Betty took over, earth Link had around half

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<v Speaker 1>a million subscribers. It was still largely considered a regional

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<v Speaker 1>I SP but under Betty's leadership, earth Link would expand dramatically,

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<v Speaker 1>and that would include scooping up other regional I s

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<v Speaker 1>p s to extend its own reach, and it would

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<v Speaker 1>have more than five million customers by two thousand seven.

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<v Speaker 1>He also oversaw earth links transition from a private company

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:50.399
<v Speaker 1>into a publicly traded one. Earth Link would hold its

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<v Speaker 1>initial public offering in Sadly two thousand seven, Gary Betty

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<v Speaker 1>would pass away at the age of forty nine after

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<v Speaker 1>he developed cancer. And I'm sure we're going to cover

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<v Speaker 1>more of Gary Betty's contributions in part two of this series,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's time to switch gears for just a second now.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't really mentioned Atlanta since the beginning of this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet earth Link has its headquarters in Atlanta today,

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<v Speaker 1>and the reason for that lies with the totally different

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<v Speaker 1>Internet service provider company I mentioned earlier, mind Spring. The

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<v Speaker 1>history of earth Link and the history of mind Spring

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<v Speaker 1>are very much tied together, as later down the road

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<v Speaker 1>the two merge, so I thought I would end this

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<v Speaker 1>episode by talking a little bit about mind Springs story.

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<v Speaker 1>The company's founder was Charles Brewer. Unlike Sky Dayton, Brewer

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<v Speaker 1>went to university. He earned an NBA at Stanford's Graduate

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<v Speaker 1>School of Business in fact, but like Dayton, Brewer encountered

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<v Speaker 1>frustrations when he tried to connect to this new fangled

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<v Speaker 1>thing called the Internet back in the early nineties, and

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<v Speaker 1>like Dayton, his solution was to found a company that

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<v Speaker 1>would facilitate Internet can actions and remove those frustrations. So

0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:06.319
<v Speaker 1>he founded mind Spring as a result, and reportedly in

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<v Speaker 1>those early days his company had only eight modems and

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<v Speaker 1>for the first four months of its operation it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even charge its customers. It also shared staff and equipment

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<v Speaker 1>with another I s P called Internet Atlanta. By mid

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<v Speaker 1>mind Spring transitioned into a model that would charge customers,

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<v Speaker 1>so now it actually had a way of making revenue

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<v Speaker 1>and had worked out the various kinks during those first

0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:33.960
<v Speaker 1>four months of you know, the technical aspects of being

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<v Speaker 1>an i s P mind Spring had a reputation for

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<v Speaker 1>having a really relaxed company culture with like no corporate

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<v Speaker 1>dress code. Employees were encouraged to be creative where their workspaces.

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<v Speaker 1>The descriptions I've read of mind Spring made me think

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<v Speaker 1>of the dot com startups that would pop up in

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<v Speaker 1>the years following, with companies like spending a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time and attention and money on creating really interesting workspaces.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what mind Spring makes me think of. And like

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<v Speaker 1>earth Link, mind Spring would form partnerships with various parties

0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:09.080
<v Speaker 1>to extend its reach, its service, and to grow very quickly,

0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:13.040
<v Speaker 1>and it would boost that by acquiring other companies, mostly

0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:17.239
<v Speaker 1>small regional I s p s like Nando Net out

0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:20.479
<v Speaker 1>of North Carolina i sp s. We're popping up all

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<v Speaker 1>over the place. There'd be thousands of them over the

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<v Speaker 1>next few years, almost ten thousand by the time we

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<v Speaker 1>get to the late nineties, and MindSpring having a headstart

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<v Speaker 1>and a good amount of cash due to early investors

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<v Speaker 1>and a popular service, was buying them up whenever it could. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>In past episodes of tech Stuff, I've talked about how

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<v Speaker 1>some companies expand by building out their services into new regions,

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<v Speaker 1>into new territories and to new kinds of business, like

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<v Speaker 1>physically investing in building that stuff out. To do that

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:54.080
<v Speaker 1>is challenging, it is expensive, it is risky. But another

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<v Speaker 1>way to expand very quickly is to just acquire other

0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:02.120
<v Speaker 1>companies that already have a presence there, including competitors. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is how companies like Comcast were able to grow

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<v Speaker 1>so quickly. It wasn't that Comcast was laying cable to

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<v Speaker 1>new communities. It was that Comcast was buying up local

0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:15.640
<v Speaker 1>cable companies and then merging them into Comcasts overall business.

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<v Speaker 1>Mind Spring was effectively doing the same thing, largely in

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<v Speaker 1>the southeastern United States. Mind Spring became a publicly traded

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<v Speaker 1>company in nineteen six, so one year before earth Link

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<v Speaker 1>would do the same. By the various mergers and acquisitions

0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:34.520
<v Speaker 1>meant mind Spring had a total of more than one

0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:38.040
<v Speaker 1>million subscribers in the United States, and it was in

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<v Speaker 1>late nine that mind Spring and earth Link announced an

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<v Speaker 1>intention for the two companies to merge into a new

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<v Speaker 1>single company. This company would keep the earth Link name,

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<v Speaker 1>but it would have its headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia, so

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:56.879
<v Speaker 1>the mind Spring headquarters would become the earth Link headquarters.

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<v Speaker 1>The mind Spring stock symbol of MSP e G would

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<v Speaker 1>phase out, and the new company would have the trading

0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:07.040
<v Speaker 1>symbol e l n K for earth Link. The combined

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<v Speaker 1>company would be one of the largest I s p

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<v Speaker 1>s in the world when the merger was complete, the

0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:16.799
<v Speaker 1>second largest, in fact, just behind America Online, which had

0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:20.280
<v Speaker 1>pivoted from being an online service provider to a true

0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Internet service provider. In our next episode, we'll learn more

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<v Speaker 1>about earth links fate in the two thousand's, how DSL

0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:31.759
<v Speaker 1>and cable would change the game, and what would lead

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<v Speaker 1>various news outlets to proclaim that earth Link was dead.

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<v Speaker 1>In news flash, It's not dead. I guess it was

0:47:40.200 --> 0:47:44.360
<v Speaker 1>only mostly dead because it's still around today. But that

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<v Speaker 1>will wait for the next full Tech Stuff episode. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>remember tomorrow's episode, We're going to have another dollarp of

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<v Speaker 1>tech news. I'm going to give you a quick rundown

0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:54.239
<v Speaker 1>of some of the headlines of what's going on in

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<v Speaker 1>tech today. Join me then, and if you have a

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