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Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up, brought to you by the Field

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Speaker 1: Shuttle Group, Jaguar Senior writer John Osher, NFL Network analyst

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Speaker 1: and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and senior reporter J. P.

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Speaker 1: Shaddrick bring you the latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars.

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Speaker 2: Huddle Up starts right now. Welcome in.

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Speaker 3: It is Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks and we are

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Speaker 3: headed to the off season. We've got a busy show ahead,

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Speaker 3: wildcard review, Gladstone and Cohen reaction. Those two spoke at

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Speaker 3: the media today and we're looking ahead to the off season.

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Speaker 3: JP Shadrick, John Oser from the Hyundai Studios. Bucky Brooks

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Speaker 3: is in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 3: Well, here we are. Season ends. It's never easy. It's

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Speaker 3: always abrupt. The Jaggs go from leading with four minutes

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Speaker 3: to go in the fourth quarter. So two days later,

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Speaker 3: in can kun, Bucky, how are you?

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Speaker 4: I've been better?

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Speaker 5: I'm still kind of reeling from the abrupt ending. As

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Speaker 5: you said of that loss.

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Speaker 4: It was a game which is it's weird because.

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Speaker 5: When I sat on the bench at the end of

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Speaker 5: the game, you just come to the realization how hard

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Speaker 5: it is to eventually win a Lombardi Trophy. Like at

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Speaker 5: the end of that game, I was just sitting there

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Speaker 5: thinking like, Man, if we won, we would have to.

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Speaker 4: Play two more of these right to get to the

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl. And I just think it's.

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Speaker 5: A great lesson for the players in those things, because

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Speaker 5: I think you have to get into the tournament to

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Speaker 5: understand ultimately how to win the tournament, and the exhaustion

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Speaker 5: that you have mentally and physically only ratches up as

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Speaker 5: you advanced. And this is a game where the Jaguars

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Speaker 5: played well enough to win, but they just didn't win.

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Speaker 4: And sometimes that happens when you play in the playoffs.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean you think, But it's funny, Buck, I

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Speaker 6: thought this the exact same thing. You sort of reflect

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Speaker 6: and all those games you sort of watch as a

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Speaker 6: non you know, as a non connected person, to playoff games,

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Speaker 6: Oh what a great game, and then when you're in

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Speaker 6: it and on the wrong side of it. I'm sure

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Speaker 6: a lot of players felt this too, of you know, oh,

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Speaker 6: we're the ones not moving on like, this isn't fun.

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Speaker 6: And I'm not making light of it, but I thought

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Speaker 6: the exact same thing that you did. Boy, you know,

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Speaker 6: yes you're good, Yes the foundation is there, but getting

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Speaker 6: looking at and saying, hey, we got a lot of strengths,

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Speaker 6: we're not you know, there's no reason we can't go

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Speaker 6: win this. It's hard to get back, you know, and

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Speaker 6: people know I covered the Colts for ten years and

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Speaker 6: they had seasons where you know, you're it can take

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Speaker 6: two or three or four times getting there before you

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Speaker 6: get over that hump and the lift and the marathon

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Speaker 6: nature of it. I think there's a lot of people

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Speaker 6: in the building going through that, not that they didn't

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Speaker 6: know it, but I think what Bucky said was probably

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Speaker 6: the best way of putting it. You can know it

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Speaker 6: logically and understand how it might feel, but the punch,

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Speaker 6: when you feel it, it's you can't know it until

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Speaker 6: you feel it.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, and I would say that might have been

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Speaker 5: the difference in this game. So think about the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 5: I think the Bill is on the heels of seventh

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Speaker 5: straight playoff appearances. That's a lot of playoff games to

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Speaker 5: play in, and Sean McDermott is coaching a lot of

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Speaker 5: those playoff games. And as much as we talk about

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Speaker 5: winning the playoff game, really it is.

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Speaker 4: How do you avoid losing those games?

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Speaker 5: What are the things that you need to do to

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Speaker 5: put your best yourself in the best position to win

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Speaker 5: by avoiding the self inflicted mistakes. And not that we

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Speaker 5: had a bunch, but we certainly had more than we've

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Speaker 5: and a lot of times is understanding how to manage

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Speaker 5: circumstances of a playoff environment. It's just completely different. And

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Speaker 5: I know John and JPU guys are in the stadium,

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Speaker 5: you can feel it. But at field level, playoff games

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Speaker 4: It's four minutes.

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Speaker 5: We're four minutes away from going All of those things

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Speaker 5: that we can talk about a I said, story and

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Speaker 5: it don't look at the school board, don't worry about

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Speaker 5: the results. It's really hard to manage the moment and

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Speaker 5: to stay kind of like where your feet are, as

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Speaker 5: Liam always.

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Speaker 6: Talks about, and that said JP, all that stuff being true,

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Speaker 6: all the inexperience in it. They came back and took

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Speaker 6: So while we're saying all this and it's true, they

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Speaker 6: got it done again, Like so that was a classic.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it just doesn't feel like classic.

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Speaker 3: The thirty three million people who watched on CBS, which

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Speaker 3: for or fourth quarter lead changes. But it's different when

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Speaker 6: All the stuff we're saying is right, and at the

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Speaker 6: same time, I thought they did for a team that

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Speaker 7: You know, they handled.

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Speaker 8: It, you know, offensive, offensive, and yeah, and defensively, sometimes I.

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Speaker 5: Think it was a teller two ass because the first

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Speaker 5: And I would say some of the experience, particularly Sean McDermott,

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Speaker 5: being on the sideline watching the guys go back to

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Speaker 5: because they changed the picture a lot, showed one thing

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Speaker 5: and they really tested the discipline and patients of Trevor early.

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Speaker 5: Also they tested communication of the offensive line and those things.

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Speaker 4: And then defensively, I think what we saw.

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Speaker 5: In one of the overarching takeaways that I have from

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Speaker 5: the only way you're gonna win the playoffs you better

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Speaker 5: have a superstar quarterback or you better have a superstar coach.

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Speaker 5: And really you need to have both because every team

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that Trevor didn't do that. But I

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Speaker 5: do know it watching Josh Allen and the heroics that

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Speaker 4: And if you don't have that, you better have.

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Speaker 5: A brilliant mind on offense and defense on the staff

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Speaker 5: to be able to mask for it, because that's the

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Speaker 5: only way you're doing it. If you don't have those elements,

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at what Josh Allen did. He doesn't

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Speaker 3: have receivers. They lost another one. I mean, he's just

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Speaker 4: Anny Davis, Santario Shapers both popped the aco.

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Speaker 2: And they're still doing it. He's still finding a way

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Speaker 7: I do think.

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Speaker 6: And after a loss, any lost, maybe playoff, last VP,

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Speaker 6: the Trevor non believers are backout saying, well, he didn't

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Speaker 6: there were moments where he didn't look like he had

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Speaker 7: Last eight games.

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Speaker 6: But I'll tell what I care about is the fact

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Speaker 6: that whatever had happened in the first two and a

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Speaker 7: In the last two and a half quarters.

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Speaker 6: Two drives when you bring them all the way back

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Speaker 7: And I get that you threw the pick with a

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Speaker 6: I will go through the off season believing if the

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Speaker 6: and they can run their offense with two twenty left

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Speaker 6: there was time to get it done. Don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 6: you know, but if they're running their offense late, I

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Speaker 7: Been the same way.

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Speaker 6: I would have sort of been stunned if the Bills

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's something to belne And I was

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Speaker 5: listening to Josh Allen the week leading up to the game,

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Speaker 5: just need to do the simple things better. I need

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Speaker 5: are always on schedule. And in this game, it's the

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Speaker 5: first time in a long time that I saw him

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Speaker 5: play what I would call a very conservative.

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Speaker 4: Brand of ball, a boring brand of ball.

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Speaker 5: That allowed him to play at a superstar level, because

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Speaker 5: Will they played Will. It's just one of those games

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Speaker 4: End the stick.

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Speaker 3: We'll return with a review of James Gladstone and Liam

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Speaker 3: Cohen's meeting with the media today. The beginning of the

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Speaker 3: off season is here. It's Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 9: The fact that the timeline of just the scouting cycle

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Speaker 9: remaining consistent up to this point, I'm in a very

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Speaker 9: similar place that I was this time last year with

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Speaker 9: the draft, with pro free agency. The piece that is

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Speaker 9: I think that's a really helpful piece in order to

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Speaker 3: James Gladstone, thirty five year old general manager of the

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Speaker 3: Jacksonville Jaguars, and welcome back. It's Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks,

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Speaker 3: Shape Shadwick, John Ozer, and Jacksonville from the Hundai Studios

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Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks out in Los Angeles. Yes, it is James

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Speaker 3: Of course, first mid March, there's some pending free agents

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Speaker 2: Draft from there.

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Speaker 3: And hey, this is his first He was talking there about, Hey,

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Speaker 2: The routine of scouting and.

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Speaker 3: Everything is the same, but now he has the advantage

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Look, but to me, it's and you're the scout. I mean,

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Speaker 6: And I would think there's a huge difference in just

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Speaker 7: I'm sure. I'm sure him and Liams said, hey, what

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Speaker 6: Wait, there's no guess work involved with the roster this offseas.

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Speaker 5: Now, no guests were because it's different looking at a

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Speaker 6: I think you know one area that I think they

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Speaker 7: We talk so much about the receiver position.

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Speaker 6: This trait at wide receiver. We can find that in

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Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I think that is really really true. It

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Speaker 5: So now this offseason, well last off season, they were

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Speaker 4: Of grading in those things.

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Speaker 5: And so this will be the first entire cycle where

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Speaker 4: So to make it easy.

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Speaker 6: Does that become easier, Bucky? Or does it also yield

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Speaker 5: Yields better results, you know, it yields better results because

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the number one priority, the pending free

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Speaker 7: You're going to score.

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Speaker 5: I heard him in his last presconference talking about man,

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Speaker 7: You can buy it.

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Speaker 6: the new people with how he approaches things. There's a

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Speaker 6: good relationship there that you know. Again, money wasn't an issue.

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Speaker 6: Travis would finish his career here and love it. I mean,

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Speaker 6: but money talks.

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Speaker 3: Remember started the training camp, we're thinking about tanking Bigsby,

446
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Speaker 3: taking over his job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the thing. And then he put his help.

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Speaker 7: He wasn't sure about it.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know.

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Speaker 3: They were just going to let's see how it plays out.

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Speaker 3: And he put his head down and just worked and

452
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Speaker 3: didn't worry about the noise. And it's paid off for him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he speaks characters. He speaks to his character. Yes,

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Speaker 5: of all characters, terrific. You talk about all the people

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Speaker 5: that are counting them out. It wasn't even tant Bixby

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Speaker 5: was up. Sean Houton is gonna be the guy that's

457
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Speaker 5: gonna end up even starting running back in he just

458
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Speaker 5: kept going to work.

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Speaker 4: And when you have someone who.

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Speaker 5: Is willing to work like that, because that is uncommon

461
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Speaker 5: for a first round or to kind of approach it

462
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Speaker 5: like that, sometimes there's a level of entitlement that you

463
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Speaker 5: may have as a first round pick.

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Speaker 4: But he didn't exhibit any of those qualities. And then he.

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Speaker 5: Played so well in this offense and the scheme and

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Speaker 5: the way.

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Speaker 4: That he fits.

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Speaker 5: And I will say this, because running backs can age

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Speaker 5: out quickly in this league. His game can age gracefully

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Speaker 5: because he can catch the ball out the backfield. There

471
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Speaker 5: are different things that you can do with him on

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Speaker 5: the perimeter to preserve some of the contact and those things.

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Speaker 5: There's a way to get him maybe the year ten

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Speaker 5: as a player in a system that can showcase him

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Speaker 5: in a few different ways.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and in a system. I mean all NFL systems

477
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Speaker 6: value smart players, but this one really values smart players.

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Speaker 6: And you know his understanding of how he fits and

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Speaker 6: this year's showing a willingness to fit into what they

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Speaker 6: wanted him to do. Be careful when you shake that

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Speaker 6: guy's hand and tell him goodbye.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a tough one. That would be a tough one.

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Speaker 2: Let's come back at a moment.

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Speaker 3: We've got to get to the defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 3: and one of the guys on that free agent list

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Speaker 3: that didn't get a gold star from Bucky, we'll get

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Speaker 3: some reasons why. It's Huddle Up with Buffy Brooks.

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Speaker 9: The connection between him the coaching staff was real. He

489
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Speaker 9: was being deployed in the right ways. He felt confident

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Speaker 9: in the ways that he was doing it from both

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Speaker 9: defense and special teams. Like you're talking about a guy

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Speaker 9: that is playing at an all pro level on defense,

493
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Speaker 9: but is running down on kickoff every time we score

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Speaker 9: and make him plays for us. So extremely happy for

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Speaker 9: Devin and his production this season and finding real footing

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Speaker 9: in a way that aligned with what he knew he

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Speaker 9: could be. Look forward to working through the offseason process

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Speaker 9: with our coaching staff and everyone else to determine what's

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Speaker 9: best for everybody and seeing if there's something to be done.

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Speaker 3: James Gladstone, general manager today discussing linebacker Devin Lloyd and

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Speaker 3: welcome back the full press conference by the way from

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Speaker 3: Cohen and Gladstone at Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube.

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Speaker 2: It's Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 3: Presented by the Fields Auto Group and time for the

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Speaker 3: defensive coverage of the game, brought to you by GEHA

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Speaker 3: Government Employees Health Association Benefits for Federal employees and retirees.

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Speaker 3: We take a look at the standouts against Buffalo. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they gave up some yardage in the game. Murray had

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Speaker 3: seven tackles to lead the way. Devin Lloyd had six

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Speaker 3: tackles in the game. Trayvon Walker at a quarterback hit,

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Speaker 3: Josh Heinz Allen had a sack. The Jags defense had

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Speaker 3: a tough fourth quarter, though they could get off the

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Speaker 3: field against the Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen And that

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Speaker 3: brings us back to the second person on this list,

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Speaker 3: but he was also on the pending free agent list

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Speaker 3: for the Jaguars. Linebacker Devin Lloyd's second team All Pro

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Speaker 3: did not get a Bucky Brooks gold Star on the

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Speaker 3: list to re sign.

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Speaker 2: Why not?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think, look, dude, you only have so much money,

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Speaker 5: like the pie only has so many slices, and he's

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Speaker 5: going to command a significant piece of the pie based

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Speaker 5: on how he played and what the market is.

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Speaker 4: Going to be out there for him.

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Speaker 5: And if you're the Jaguars, you have to prioritize what's

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Speaker 5: really important to the team in terms of the next step.

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Speaker 5: And while he was a very valuable piece, made a

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Speaker 5: ton of splash plays and was important as a linebacker

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Speaker 5: in this defense, to me, there are other positions that

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Speaker 5: you were prioritized over that position. And so when he

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Speaker 5: goes and he has to market and people are gonna

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Speaker 5: pay him a ton of money, I just don't know

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Speaker 5: if you're going to get into bidding wa to retain

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Speaker 5: his services when you know that there are other positions

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Speaker 5: that are more important to the success of the team

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Speaker 5: And that's not being disrespectful to him and the way

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Speaker 5: that he played this season.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 6: It's hard to pay premium money for interceptions from a linebacker,

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Speaker 6: and that's going to sway somebody to pay him, and

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Speaker 6: I hope they pay him.

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Speaker 7: I mean, JP, you know Devin Sure.

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Speaker 6: I like the kid, and he made some big time plays.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure they're thirteen and four without them. I'm

545
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Speaker 6: not sure they beat the Chiefs without him.

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Speaker 7: But in trying to.

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Speaker 6: Pull back and really make decisions unemotionally, I think it

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Speaker 6: would be really hard to commit franchise core money to

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Speaker 6: that position.

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Speaker 7: For the reasons Bucky said, I think you got to

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Speaker 7: get a corner.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think they will spend in free agency

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Speaker 6: on defense, but I'm kind of sad that it probably

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Speaker 6: won't be on Devin.

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Speaker 2: Lod Yeah, so then what do you do there? Draft, draft,

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Speaker 2: some money, draft or.

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Speaker 6: Or.

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Speaker 7: Bucky is the king of free agency as well. You know,

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Speaker 7: you know GPS. He's not just a draft expert.

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Speaker 2: He does it all.

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Speaker 6: He's he's the king of the combine for a reason,

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Speaker 6: because free agency has the combine too. A linebacker for

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Speaker 6: what this scheme needs. Uh, they could sign a free

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Speaker 6: agent linebacker, uh, for that sort of experience and what

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Speaker 6: this defense needs in a linebacker. That won't be franchise

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Speaker 6: level money, but that could help the defense as much

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Speaker 6: as paying Devon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there a few ways they can approach it.

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Speaker 5: They can sign a free agent who is maybe a

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Speaker 5: one year rental to help them get through.

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Speaker 4: They could sign a free agent.

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Speaker 5: Who's a one year rental, draft someone fairly high, have

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Speaker 5: them learn behind either a rental guy or playing alongside

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Speaker 5: for you, and hope that they're able to get up

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Speaker 5: to speed. The one thing that you have to know

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Speaker 5: about James Gladstone and look where they come from with

577
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Speaker 5: the ramp Man. They are not afraid to play young

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Speaker 5: players and to put them in the line up prominently.

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Speaker 4: And do it.

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Speaker 5: And John will understand this having worked and been around

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Speaker 5: Bill Polli in a lot. Here's the thing when it

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Speaker 5: comes to the defense, you have to make sure you

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Speaker 5: have blue chip players at the marquee spots to premium spots.

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Speaker 5: Those premium spots are two pass rushers, Trayvon and Josh

585
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Speaker 5: Hanz Allen. You need to have a marquee cornerback. You

586
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Speaker 5: need to now have a marquee safety somewhere in there.

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Speaker 5: Maybe that is Antonio Johnson. And then you've got to

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Speaker 5: have someone at that second level at linebacker that's a

589
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Speaker 5: marquee player. Maybe that's Fourier, maybe it's a young player.

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Speaker 5: But that's how it has to go.

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Speaker 4: On defense.

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Speaker 5: You have to have five guys who have blue chip

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Speaker 5: caliber talent to be a championship contender. And so I

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Speaker 5: think they're going to invest wisely in the position. I

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Speaker 5: just don't think it's going to be Devin Lord running

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Speaker 5: it back in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Speak for Bill, but I think he would tell

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Speaker 6: you that if if you've got the two pass rushers,

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Speaker 6: it might be good.

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Speaker 7: Those other three can.

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Speaker 6: Be good and not necessarily good. But yes, you have

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Speaker 6: to pick your spots. And uh, you know, just historically

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Speaker 6: it's tough to pay linebackers who don't rush the passer

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Speaker 6: premium premium money and have your structure of your salary

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Speaker 6: cap work.

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Speaker 7: That's sort of regardles. I mean, somebody will do it, but.

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Speaker 6: I've I've not seen that breakaway from that philosophy work

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Speaker 6: well that often, and.

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Speaker 4: None only that.

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Speaker 5: Let's be honest about how the team would be constructed.

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Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence is just about to get his money. So

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Speaker 5: what you want to do is the biggest investment needs

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Speaker 5: to have the toys around.

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Speaker 4: Him to be at his best.

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Speaker 5: And when you think about they just signed Jacobe Myers,

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Speaker 5: Parker Washington, and Britton Stranger going to be on deck.

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Speaker 4: You just gave cold Van Lannon some cash.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they're going to commit money to the offense

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Speaker 5: to make sure that Number sixteen continues to play at

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Speaker 5: the level that he played the last half of the season.

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Speaker 5: That means on defense, you're gonna go without or it's

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Speaker 5: gonna be a draft and developed situation on that side

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Speaker 5: of the ball.

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Speaker 3: All right, guys, we'll come back in a moment and

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Speaker 3: take a look at both coordinators offensive defensive coordinators. There

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Speaker 3: are three coordinators. Two of them are getting interviews for

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Speaker 3: head coaching spots, and we'll wrap it up. It is

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Speaker 3: our final show. Jaguars Football is presented by Dailies. It's

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Speaker 3: nicer here, and this is Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 10: And that was the message to the team on Monday.

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Speaker 10: Was extremely proud of a lot of the things that

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Speaker 10: we were able to accomplish, very proud of their response

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Speaker 10: to adversity into that one to no message in that

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Speaker 10: next play mentality, and now that the real work is

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Speaker 10: here to where we have to go in and reload it.

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Speaker 10: We're not gonna just stand here and say, man, we're

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Speaker 10: just gonna redo it all with all the same, same, same, same,

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Speaker 10: Because I got a thirteen wins and knocked out of

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Speaker 10: the playoffs in the first round, so clearly was not

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Speaker 10: good enough for the full end of the season standard,

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Speaker 10: But thirty one other teams were having a similar conversation.

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Speaker 2: Liam Cohen earlier today.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back. It's Hoddle Up with Bucky Brooks. Brought to

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Speaker 3: you by Field's Auto Group Jacksonville ce Fields First, Jacksonville's

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Speaker 3: final show before a small hiatus.

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Speaker 2: Will be back two weeks after the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 6: John O Sure, guests, I have a question for the

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Speaker 6: coach coach Buck and I think the Jaguars coaches will

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Speaker 6: be off. It sounded from what Liams said mid February, right, yeah,

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Speaker 6: And I personally think it's a pretty good idea. I mean,

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Speaker 6: it's and the devastating gut punt. I think, you know,

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Speaker 6: in a few weeks to be back ready to go.

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Speaker 7: But it's hard.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's even hard for us to do

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Speaker 6: these shows and have sort of the same energy.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, I mean, it's.

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Speaker 6: A little longer than I've I've heard and been around.

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Speaker 6: Not significant me. It's had a big deal, but I'm

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Speaker 6: wondering if it's a good idea just get away and

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Speaker 6: come back ready to go.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I love it.

664
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Speaker 5: I think this is how the rams have operated, this

665
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 5: is how some new age thinking programs operate.

666
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 4: Where you want to be arrested.

667
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 5: Man, there's no need to be in the office just

668
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 5: for the sake of being in the office. Let people

669
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 5: get away, recharge, reflect, reset, come back, refocus on being

670
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 5: able to get it done next year. This is terrific

671
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 5: because I think they're gonna be changes to the way

672
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 5: today operate around the combine and those things. Yeah, there's

673
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 5: plenty of time to worry about next year. This is

674
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 5: a great time to have some vacation, to get away

675
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 5: from it because you guys know, because you're around the building. Man,

676
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 5: they put in some long hours over the course of

677
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 5: the regular season, and at some point.

678
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 4: You want to reward them for all their hard work

679
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 4: during the regular season.

680
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 7: The king of downtime go next point to me, I'm not.

681
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 3: Gonna give it back to him. I'll tell you that

682
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: take advantage. I mean, yeah's I'll take that as a conflicent. Actually,

683
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: there are a couple of coordinators getting interviews. Grantedinsky speaking

684
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 3: with the Cleveland Browns and there's reports that he's one

685
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 3: of the favorites to get the gig now. And then

686
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: Anthony Campinelli is gonna speak with the Miami Dolphins. Chances, Bucky,

687
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: that either one of these guys are gone.

688
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 5: No, I mean, I think the chances are real, particularly

689
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 5: for Granted Disky, because everybody is fascinated with the offensive

690
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 5: mind and the offensive coordinator. And you think about the

691
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 5: tree that continues to grow, an extension up of the

692
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 5: Vay Shanahan tree. What the work displayed in terms of

693
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 5: his work with Trevor Lawrence, how this offense looked, and

694
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 5: the reputation anyone that has been around Grant talks about

695
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 5: the brilliant mind, the attention to detail, the innovation, the

696
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 5: imagination that he brings to the thing.

697
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 4: He's can get a lot of love.

698
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 5: I would think that he's going to interview well, and

699
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 5: if you can put an infrastructure around him that allows

700
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 5: him to grow into the job. Yeah, I can see

701
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 5: it being very enticing, not only for Cleveland, but for

702
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 5: some of the other openings that are available around the league.

703
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's.

704
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 6: I don't know if people outside the building necessarily understood

705
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 6: how much he did with Trevor Lawrence and how much

706
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 6: respect there is for him in the building. You know,

707
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 6: conventional wisdom would say that at that age, maybe a

708
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 6: year or two away. And I say conventional wisdom, I

709
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 6: sort of sneer at it, because right now conventional wisdom

710
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,959
Speaker 6: on that front. You know, there were thoughts last year,

711
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 6: is Liam quite ready? You know one year as a

712
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 6: coordinator calling plays, Are you hiring him a year or

713
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 6: two ahead. There's been talk like that about other coaches

714
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 6: around the league at this point. I don't think the

715
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 6: league's thinking that way anymore. I mean, it's look, we

716
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 6: can go get grant you Dinsky. Last year the Jaguars,

717
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 6: I think some of their thinking was, Okay, we could

718
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 6: we wait a year, but we're not gonna be hiring

719
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 6: an a year and then all of a sudden we let

720
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 6: this guy go that we our gut feeling around the

721
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 6: organization last year is Liam's the guy. It would not

722
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 6: surprise me if somebody gets granted a room, an owner,

723
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 6: GM whoever's hiring, looks at each other and goes, boy,

724
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 6: this is the guy. You know, we think he's the guy,

725
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 6: and we wait, he's gone next year, We're not hiring

726
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 6: anyway a chance to see it. So that whole thing

727
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 6: of too young whatever, you know. I think he's gonna

728
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 6: be a great head coach when he gets a chalk.

729
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 6: I mean, he gets a chance. And when prize me

730
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 6: the chance came this year, it's gonna come in the

731
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 6: next twelve months. I mean, it's not this cycle. It's

732
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 6: gonna be next one, in my opinion.

733
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 5: I mean, just look at all the guys that have

734
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 5: come from there that have been young. I mean, Sean McVay,

735
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 5: I mean, Kyle Shannon was fairly young when he got

736
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 5: to get it.

737
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 4: Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay.

738
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 5: You're thinking about Lafleur Liam like, it's just part of

739
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 5: the deal. These young, dynamic guys who can get opportunities

740
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 5: and so granted is thirty.

741
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 4: Think about Clint.

742
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 5: Kubiak and the opportunities he has in front of him

743
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 5: as a young coach. That's just the way it goes

744
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 5: for the offensive guys because it has been talked about

745
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 5: so much on TV.

746
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 4: You need to get an offensive guy because that ensures

747
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: that your quarterback has stability.

748
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 5: YadA, YadA, YadA YadA. So all the offensive guys go.

749
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 5: And so you're plucking from these really really young guys

750
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 5: who've just been put in these prominent roles, maybe too

751
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 5: soon or too early in their career, but guys are

752
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 5: gonna bet on them to kind of make it happen.

753
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: And if there's a place that needs quarterbacks stability, Cleveland

754
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 3: right now.

755
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 6: But go ahead, Well you can say, you can say

756
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 6: too young, too soon, whatever. But you know, if you

757
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 6: look at I haven't done the math on this because

758
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 6: doing math takes a lot of work, but it it

759
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 6: over the less ten years coaches fail succeed. You hire

760
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 6: a forty eight year old coach, he's going to fail

761
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 6: to succeed at a rate. So if I'm an owner

762
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 6: a GM and I've looked around and seen these young guys,

763
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 6: I used to joke a couple of years ago that

764
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 6: if you if you didn't have a certain kind of

765
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 6: haircut and a goatee and look like McVeigh, if you

766
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 6: were going to get a job.

767
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 7: But are you.

768
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 6: Just taking that out of the equation if you're an

769
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 6: owner or in your GM says well, we're a little

770
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 6: concerned about this not working. The owner's going, well, I'm

771
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 6: I'm hiring a new coach. Clearly what it was doing

772
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 6: wasn't working anyway. So if you think this guy is

773
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 6: the guy, I kind of get the thinking.

774
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 7: So I.

775
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 6: Again very quickly when you talk about Camp, So yeah,

776
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 6: sort of the same deal. I'd be stunned, Bucky if

777
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 6: Camp's not a coordinator this time next year. Coach, I'm sorry,

778
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 6: head coach, He's already coordinator and a good one. I

779
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 6: think he gets a job in the next either this

780
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 6: cycle or next cycle wouldn't surprise me.

781
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 4: This cycle, Man, he is terrific.

782
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 5: I wish I could really fully disclose all the things

783
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 5: that I hear them do at halftime and the adjustments

784
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 5: and how adaptable he is and on.

785
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 4: The fly he's feisty, he's fiery. But it does a

786
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 4: great job of connecting.

787
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 5: And I think what I've learned from watching this staff

788
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 5: is the importance of communication and connectivity.

789
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 4: Great communicators up and down the board.

790
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 5: They communicate with everyone in the building outside the building.

791
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 5: They do a great job of making sure that the

792
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 5: team and their units are tight and it's look, Man

793
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 5: has been remarkable to the growth from the first preseason

794
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 5: game to the way this team finished in terms of

795
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 5: just watching the on field product lay by the direction

796
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 5: of two coordinators. Man, they both deserve standing innovations for

797
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 5: their work and how far they were able to progress

798
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 5: the team in a short amount of time.

799
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 6: JP and Bucky Remember the Steelers opener, Oh and everybody

800
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 6: like there was the issue where I guess a couple

801
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 6: of players were slightly slow getting lined up and the

802
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 6: fans were going blistic.

803
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 7: Oh my goodness.

804
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 6: You know it was just the preseason, but I mean

805
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 6: I just kind of thought about that as you were talking.

806
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 6: JP probably knows where I'm going with this. Give me

807
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 6: a head coach, asked me if he knows scheme or

808
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 6: can connect to players, and give me the guy who

809
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 6: can connect to players. Anytimes, you can hire a guy

810
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 6: who knows scheme for you can't be really knows scheme,

811
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 6: but his ability to connect with people is why I

812
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 6: believe just like Liam, I mean, I think he'll be

813
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 6: a high end head coach and that.

814
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 7: Will be his gold star.

815
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 6: To use our phrase, he can connect with players. Players

816
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 6: love playing for this guy in the right way. He's

817
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 6: not necessarily a player's coach, but you can connect, and

818
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 6: camp can connect.

819
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 7: Boy, he can rely connected.

820
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 3: He connected so much the work shirts with his face

821
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: on it, right, Yeah, I mean, look.

822
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say this.

823
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 5: It was about mid season, maybe a conversation I was

824
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 5: having Jordan Lewis and.

825
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 4: John knows this.

826
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 5: JPU also know it is rare for pro athletes to

827
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 5: talk about playing for their coach, right, that is almost

828
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 5: something that is high school like collegiate. Maybe if you

829
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 5: have the right coach but definitely not in the pro game,

830
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 5: not that you're talking about. Like, man, I just don't

831
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 5: want to disappoint him. He's such a good man. I

832
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 5: just want to make sure that whatever he pours into

833
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 5: us and I want to give that back.

834
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 4: That connectivity is at your youth and high school level.

835
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 5: That speaks to how intentional the guys were when it

836
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 5: came to developing the relationships. And I think we talked

837
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 5: about both coordinators, but I also think that was part

838
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 5: of the exchange that took place in the presser. I

839
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 5: don't think people outside of Jacksonville know how well this

840
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 5: staff has connected, not just inside the building, but the

841
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 5: personal relationships they developed outside of the building. That brings

842
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 5: about those responses where you feel like there's this human

843
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 5: connection that extends beyond the professional relationships that we all have.

844
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, you don't turn this around to thirteen and four

845
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 6: with this without what we're talking about. And again, if

846
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 6: can't believes, I hope he doesn't love being around the guy.

847
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 6: I think that element will remain. But he's been a

848
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 6: special part of making that work because I can Mary.

849
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 6: The first day we met, I think you were in

850
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 6: there JP in the NEBC media room I talked to

851
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 6: Camp for maybe forty minutes that day and he was,

852
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 6: you know, just talking. And but the thing that he said,

853
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 6: specifically without me bringing it up, was, look, everybody runs

854
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 6: schemes in this league. You've got to make sure that

855
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 6: these guys know you care about them. And he went

856
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 6: on a little bit more and that was first and foremost.

857
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 6: And it was that way all year. And you know,

858
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 6: credit to this staff and him for making that work.

859
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 3: Paid dividends for sure for the Jaguars. That's gonna do it.

860
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: This is our final show the twenty twenty five season.

861
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: We're gonna take a few weeks hiatus. We'll be back

862
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: in podcast form two weeks after the super Bowl on

863
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 3: that Wednesday, not the Wednesday right after the super Bowl,

864
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 3: the Wednesday after that, whatever day that is to.

865
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 5: Lead him to the combine. I mean, that's that's what

866
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 5: that is. That's what we're talking about. We're not talking

867
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 5: about super Bowl. Were talking about getting ready for the

868
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 5: next season, which is draft season.

869
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 4: Well up to the draft.

870
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 2: It's Bucky Brooks season.

871
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 7: Are you an Indy already, Bucky? Or do you wait?

872
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 7: I mean, now you just go and set up.

873
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: Did you buy real estate he's Indy, Like what I

874
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: should set up?

875
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 5: I should set up there like a camp out. Yeah,

876
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 5: like it should be a lot of fun, fun looking

877
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 5: forward to it.

878
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: It usually is, Bucky, great season.

879
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 3: Always appreciate it and thanks for the insight all year long.

880
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 6: Man.

881
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 4: Now it's been a lot of fun.

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Speaker 5: Man, it's been really fun covering the team that is

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Speaker 5: really good and covering a staff that kind of gets it.

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Speaker 5: I'm excited to see where this thing continues to go.

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Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks. John, you were good too, John Oser, Senior writer.

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Speaker 3: I'm JP Shatterick. Thanks to our entire crew, Joe Fortune

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Speaker 3: I oh Print Reaper. Thanks to you for watching and

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Speaker 3: listening all season long. Huddle up with Bucky Brooks.