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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huddle on Giants

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Speaker 1: dot Com, the Giants Mobile, the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Giants Huddel. I'm Paul to Tino. Recently, former

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Speaker 1: pro offensive lineman Brian Boldener of NFL Network made a

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Speaker 1: tour of summer training camps and stopped in on the Giants.

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Speaker 1: That's where we began our discussion about the team's improving

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Speaker 1: offensive line and its potential. Well, I thought that they

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Speaker 1: improved a great deal last year. I mean with no

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Speaker 1: offseason and all that, no training, you know, no preseason games.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Pittsburgh, San Francisco. Uh, you know, to

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Speaker 1: see the Russians that they saw. Uh, you know, it

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Speaker 1: was tough. It was it was tough. It was tough

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Speaker 1: on Andrew, but he hung in there. He got better.

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Speaker 1: He's got a little flaw that Rob Sales and Patrick

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Speaker 1: Flaherty say that he's really worked on. Uh. The athletic

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Speaker 1: ability is there. Lemieux Parrot. I think Parrot actually looks

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Speaker 1: better at left tackle to me than he does it

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Speaker 1: right tackle times, just the comfort level and the way

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Speaker 1: his body moves. But he he covers people up. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know it starts up front. They gotta you know,

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Speaker 1: they don't have a great deal of depth. Um, I

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Speaker 1: think there's some battles maybe you know that could be

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Speaker 1: going on maybe inside, you know, try and upgrade at

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Speaker 1: certain positions. So I'm optimistic. It's just that they just

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Speaker 1: gotta keep in your question, like how you know you'll

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Speaker 1: know when the defensive line starts moving. And you only

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Speaker 1: gain yards in the run game when you get the

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Speaker 1: second level blocked. But to get the second level blocked,

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Speaker 1: you've got to take care of the first level. And

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Speaker 1: so that's how long do you hang on the combo

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Speaker 1: block before you come off? And it's a timing and

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Speaker 1: it's a field, and so they run a lot of

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Speaker 1: two and three tight end sets, and the tight ends

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Speaker 1: are a part of the strong side, and so they

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Speaker 1: gotta they gotta block with their tackles and and block.

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Speaker 1: In Unison, much was made when they allowed Zeitler to

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Speaker 1: get away because the salary cap issues. And now they're

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Speaker 1: going with two young guys in Hernandez and Lemieux presumably

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Speaker 1: as the starting guards. How dangerous do you think that was?

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Speaker 1: Or is it? As Dave Getlman says, you have to

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Speaker 1: let the young guys play if they're ever going to

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Speaker 1: develop and become what they're supposed to be. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have let Zetler go just because of how strong and

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Speaker 1: how steady he is. And I think you can still

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Speaker 1: you know, you've got young guys at tackle, You've got

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Speaker 1: young guy left guard, and I still think there's you know,

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Speaker 1: you got a young center. I mean, I thinks you're

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Speaker 1: still playing a lot of young guys, but you got

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Speaker 1: a rock at right guard. And I I would I

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Speaker 1: if I was trying to protect Daniel Jones or open

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Speaker 1: on poles for sake, kwe like I'd feel a little

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Speaker 1: bit better with a rocket right guard. Now Nick is

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Speaker 1: in the second year at center. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: looked at that experiment last year and said, maybe it's

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Speaker 1: not going to work, but it seemed as though it did,

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Speaker 1: at least to the giant satisfaction. Well, you know, first

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Speaker 1: of all, he plays a game like a defensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean, he's very aggressive. Um, you need

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Speaker 1: some nasty guys up front. He plays that style. Um,

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Speaker 1: your offensive line is only as good as your center.

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Speaker 1: So if you're weak in the middle, you're gonna be weak.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's a run game or given up, you know,

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Speaker 1: think it's a solid prospects that you don't have to

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Speaker 1: on centers. You just don't. You just need tough guys

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Speaker 1: that are smart and understand how to play with guys

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Speaker 1: next to him. A lot of people always talk about

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Speaker 1: familiarity and continuity second year now in the system, not

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Speaker 1: having to deal with the pandemic protocols that they had

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Speaker 1: last year, that that in itself should be one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons why people should be optimistic about these guys.

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Speaker 1: How much credence do you put in that? Well, I

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Speaker 1: put credence in it, Paul. But you still have to improve.

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Speaker 1: You could say, Okay, we don't. We're not up against

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Speaker 1: we could be this good. We can take on good

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Speaker 1: mentioned your admiration for per earlier. Now Nate Soldier is

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Speaker 1: has you know, he played every single game at Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, he's got to learn how to

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Speaker 1: use his body. He's got an enormous length, and that's

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Speaker 1: that's a real strength for any tackle in this business.

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Speaker 1: He can stay on his feet, he can run guys

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Speaker 1: around the arc. You just have to really what the

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Speaker 1: these elite rushers on the right side, like you can

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Speaker 1: see that you're just a deep setter all the time,

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Speaker 1: well then you're gonna get a lot of power rushes.

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Speaker 1: If they see you open up, they're gonna attack you

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Speaker 1: And that's hard to do. Just you know, first of all,

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Speaker 1: they don't have LT out here, you know, so he's

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Speaker 1: not getting elite looks. And I'm not saying anything against

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Speaker 1: he's not seen elite guys. You know that that doesn't

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Speaker 1: the Giants to try to do up front? I think

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Speaker 1: every offense right now in the NFL features a flex

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Speaker 1: I mean, they did a good job on the edges.

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Speaker 1: who advocates keeping a fullback on the roster. It seems

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Speaker 1: like that's a dinosaur. So many teams have just kind

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Speaker 1: be well advised to do so. Well. The analytics say

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Speaker 1: I don't agree with that. I think that if you

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Speaker 1: can't convert third and one, Paul, if you can't convert

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Speaker 1: in the four minute drill, the fullback helps you. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, you see the good ones in this league,

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Speaker 1: how they can clean up things when things just don't

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Speaker 1: think there's a valuable role for fullbacks. I'm a big

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Speaker 1: he's gonna do everything that coach Belichick did. But they've

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Speaker 1: some great ones on the roster and it's been really

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Speaker 1: In fact, that was something that Burton Eli Manning when

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Speaker 1: And if they see that you can't pick it up,

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Speaker 1: you know, and it's not necessarily about size. Alvin Cook

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Speaker 1: all those guys in Cleveland are excellent, Cream Hunt, Nick Chubb,

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Speaker 1: DeVante has got that, He's got that part to him. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So now we've talked about the beef and the strength

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Speaker 1: the skill positions led by Daniel Jones at quarterback and

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Speaker 1: obviously weapon where he's got on the outside. What will

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Speaker 1: not saying, okay, he's throwing twenty two interceptions and it starts.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna throw interceptions when you're young. I'm out worried

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Speaker 1: about that. But the fumbles are the fumbles. We've seen

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Speaker 1: it in preseason. We've seen every variety we've seen fumbled, snaps,

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Speaker 1: He's got it, you know, he's he's fumbled. He's lost

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