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Speaker 1: you a heads up that this episode contains a detailed

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Speaker 1: account of a hate crime, a murder previously on Deep Cover.

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Speaker 2: Craig Peterson, you don't know us, but we're here. I

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Speaker 2: want to talk to you. Federal agents. Can we approach you?

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Speaker 2: And Craig just looked at us and said, I don't

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Speaker 3: I think he said something like, yeah, we heard rumors

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Speaker 3: now that's nothing to it. We didn't do any homicide.

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Speaker 3: It's a bunch of junk.

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Speaker 2: You could feel the tension, but you can also feel

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Speaker 2: like he's about to say something, and then he says,

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you everything.

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Speaker 1: So there are Scott Duffy and Terry Mortimer in a

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Speaker 1: they're sitting on the edge of their seats because across

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Speaker 1: the table from them is Craig Peterson, the electrician from

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Speaker 1: Vermont with the spiderweb tattoo. Now they suspect that Craig

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Speaker 2: It was a moment that I think of everything that

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Speaker 2: Terry and I had been through, had prayed through, and

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Speaker 2: this was the moment in time. This was it. It

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Speaker 1: Mind you, this moment, it wasn't just the result of

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Speaker 1: good luck. Two days prior, Scott and Terry had played

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Speaker 1: Truth was, the Feds had very little on Craig, but

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Speaker 1: he made a request.

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Speaker 2: He says, I need to have assurances, and we said

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Speaker 2: what type of assurances? Well, you have a prosecutor on board.

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Speaker 2: Can you call the prosecutor? Absolutely, we can call the prosecutor.

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Speaker 2: But Greg, you gotta I can't just call a prosecutor

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Speaker 2: And that's when he says I'm not the shooter, and

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Speaker 2: I want immunity.

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Speaker 1: Upon hearing this, Scott's partner, Terry, kind of sat up

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Speaker 3: thinking like attorneys talk about immunity, Federal agents talk about immunity,

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Speaker 3: not electricians from Earl and Tim Vermont get like, where

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Speaker 1: Now, Typically, giving someone immunity is not a quick or

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Speaker 1: easy task, especially in a situation like this where someone's

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Speaker 1: st stand by.

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Speaker 2: Prosecutor dropped everything, ran to my office. We spoke with

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Speaker 4: Am I hearing that?

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Speaker 1: And Scott's like, yeah, that's exactly what Craig is asking for.

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Speaker 2: And the first thing the prosecutor asked him very first thing,

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Speaker 1: That never happens, but that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: Until now, Scott and Terry have been going on a prayer,

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Speaker 1: Calpern and this is a deep cover Season four The

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Speaker 1: Craig just starts talking, recounting what he could remember from

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Speaker 3: And so he starts telling us how it went down.

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Speaker 3: That basically that he and Tommy decided one night to

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Speaker 1: Craig tells them they borrowed his mother's car, a gray

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Speaker 1: Slow down, because up ahead they saw a pedestrian, a

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Speaker 1: Craig said that even all these years later, he still

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Speaker 1: all hinged on a single question. Could these kids really

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Speaker 1: then the depths are darker than most of us would

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Speaker 1: Was comfortable in this role as the confessor. He knew

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Speaker 2: And when when you watch somebody tell the story, you

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Speaker 1: Craig's confession raised so many questions for Scott and Terry,

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Speaker 2: We believed that a real danger existed. There is a

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Speaker 1: At this point there was no turning back for Craig. More,

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Speaker 4: Next time. On Deep Cover. Everybody liked him.

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