WEBVTT - Ep. 11: Slinging Flashtails on Peckerwood Creek

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<v Speaker 1>It's a sunfish. Jay stopped calling the police. They're busy

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<v Speaker 1>arresting your friends for throwing hands in the parking lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the Cumberland Farms. I'm gonna go with murder Hut.

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<v Speaker 1>One medieval theory suggested the fules were the transmogrified forms

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<v Speaker 1>of the bastard children of priests and married women, fleeing

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<v Speaker 1>persecution through shape shifting. And remember, the only appropriate gift

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<v Speaker 1>response to anything by the Coogan Squad is Jesus eating

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<v Speaker 1>the city. Good morning, degenerate anglers. Welcome to Bent the

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<v Speaker 1>Fishing podcast that heckles rent a cops but respects the

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<v Speaker 1>real cops. I'm Joe Surmelli Miles Nulty, and even though

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<v Speaker 1>I have been handcuffed and placed in the back of

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<v Speaker 1>squad cars twice, I have never technically been arrested. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm gonna lose street crad here, but

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<v Speaker 1>neither of I. I have not been arrested nor written

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<v Speaker 1>in a cop car, which I feel like is as

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<v Speaker 1>a young man ends rite of passage. But I do

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<v Speaker 1>still chuckle with a few friends about a party I

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<v Speaker 1>was at rated by the cops. That's the closest I

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<v Speaker 1>can come and I had a buddy that used to

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<v Speaker 1>get off on um going to house parties and hiding

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<v Speaker 1>perishable items throughout the house, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like take the bologna out of the fridge and drop

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<v Speaker 1>it in a box of corn flakes. And uh, as

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<v Speaker 1>this very upset officer was lecturing a room full of

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<v Speaker 1>drunk kids, he looks up and there's a giant polish

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<v Speaker 1>sausage hanging from the chandelier, dangling like an inch above

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<v Speaker 1>his head, and the whole room just lost it. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he was just he was He was just

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<v Speaker 1>more upset though. So that's that's my cops story. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good image. I feel bad for that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man. Yeah, what a terrible, terrible job breaking up

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<v Speaker 1>kids house parties and they could be doing real work. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's delicious. I'm just gonna just gonna admit that, all

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<v Speaker 1>right before we dig into the show. Joe, I gotta,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta, I gotta talk something through with you. I

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<v Speaker 1>had this experience last week and I just can't shake it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just I just want to see what your

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<v Speaker 1>take on it is, all right, So hey on, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get all psychological on. Yeah, let's see if we

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<v Speaker 1>can break this one down. Dr Joe. I went fishing

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<v Speaker 1>with some friends, uh, and we were on the Madison

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<v Speaker 1>this is last week, and it was one of those

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<v Speaker 1>days where everything was just kind of lining up right.

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<v Speaker 1>We had we had that fall light that we get

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<v Speaker 1>out here, and the hills were just glowing gold beau.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really nice to fish were super active. They

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<v Speaker 1>were eating on the surface, they were eating subsurface. They

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<v Speaker 1>were just on the chow. It was one of those days.

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<v Speaker 1>It was great. Uh. And so we're fishing far so good.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't see the problem yet. So far

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<v Speaker 1>so good. We're fishing out of my boat. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it's it's it's the cool season and the

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<v Speaker 1>water was very cold. I was not wearing waiters because

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<v Speaker 1>I had no intention of getting out of that boat.

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<v Speaker 1>We're boat fishing, you know. So we're anchored up on

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<v Speaker 1>this midriver spot and I hook a fish a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of headshakes, and it comes to the surface and rolls,

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<v Speaker 1>and I get a good look at it. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>a solid two foot trop maybe a little bigger. It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a big fish, right, It was definitely the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest fish of the day. And then as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>it rolls, it takes off downstream right mid current, and

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm I'm I'm into my backing on the first run,

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<v Speaker 1>which almost never happens with trout. Right, Like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a good fish. So I know in this moment. What

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<v Speaker 1>I need to do. I need to just hurtle my

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<v Speaker 1>ass over the gunnal right in the middle of that

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<v Speaker 1>cold as river and chase the fish down right, like

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<v Speaker 1>I have to be swimming and splashing. I have to

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<v Speaker 1>like get that fish and no matter what. Okay, there

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<v Speaker 1>was no time in this situation for me to wait

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<v Speaker 1>for my buddy to pull the anchor and chase them

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<v Speaker 1>down right, Like I got this fish on a small hook,

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<v Speaker 1>it's on light line, and I'm I've done this plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of times. I know what's about to happen. Fish that big,

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<v Speaker 1>that much current, that much line out, It's either gonna

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<v Speaker 1>break off straight in the hook or pull free, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna happen in any second. So I'm standing there,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah exactly, and you know, like there's no confusion as

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<v Speaker 1>to what's about to happen. So I'm standing there, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>watching the last turns of line come off my reel,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like having this conversation with myself in my head.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, jump, jump in do it. You're gonna lose

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<v Speaker 1>this fish, Go get it. Jump. But I just stood there,

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<v Speaker 1>like having this internal battle with myself, like I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to spend the rest of the day soaking, wet

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<v Speaker 1>and freezing my ass off. But I also didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to lose this really good fish because because it's just

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm too soft to deal with a little discomfort.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the battle, like the tension that's raging

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<v Speaker 1>in my head as I watched the last couple of

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<v Speaker 1>turns come off the reel and go, I'm about to

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<v Speaker 1>lose his fish, Like I know that there was a

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<v Speaker 1>time when I would have not even thought about it,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I just would have gone over the side of

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<v Speaker 1>the boat. Come in the water. I'm getting the fish,

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<v Speaker 1>like I've I'm sacrificing my body that face should coming

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<v Speaker 1>to me. I don't care what it takes, like I'll swim.

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<v Speaker 1>But I didn't do that, And now I'm left wondering,

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<v Speaker 1>like what changed form in me? Like do I is

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<v Speaker 1>it that I care less about catching fish than I

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<v Speaker 1>used to? Like do I have less to prove to

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<v Speaker 1>myself for the world? Like am I just getting lame?

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<v Speaker 1>Am I getting smarter? I honestly can't figure it out,

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<v Speaker 1>and it has been messing with my head ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna help you. I'm about to help you right

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<v Speaker 1>now I'll bill you my hourly rates. Would this have

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<v Speaker 1>been the biggest trout you ever caught? No? God, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was a really nice fish, Like, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a very big fish. It was a legitimately large

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<v Speaker 1>fish from Montana. But no, I'm very lucky. I've caught

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of big trout. It would not have been

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<v Speaker 1>my biggest. Okay, there you go. Okay, so I think

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<v Speaker 1>the decision was subliminally made based on experience, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>you and I hear me. Do you think I'm getting smarter? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of right. You and I are both lucky enough

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<v Speaker 1>to have caught lots of fishing lots of places. Right

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<v Speaker 1>As an example, like, I'm not willing to freeze my

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<v Speaker 1>ass off and diving in after like a brown. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>probably not even a twenty two. So unless at this

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<v Speaker 1>point I was convinced like this is the biggest brown

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever hooked, A true milestone, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I look at it like, dude, I've done my time

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of freezing and soaking over the years. So

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<v Speaker 1>if I lose the two like, i'll, you know, good

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<v Speaker 1>chance I'll stick another one of those. You know, So

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<v Speaker 1>this one this one's going to get away for for

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<v Speaker 1>my comfort. However, um yeah, I mean, if you're one

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<v Speaker 1>of those people that only gauges the value of a

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<v Speaker 1>trip by what you have to show for it on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a different story. You're not. Well, you're not one

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<v Speaker 1>of those people, you know, but we know someone, we

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<v Speaker 1>know somebody who is Who is that person? Oh? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know? Yah, don't don't do it. Yeah, we have to. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do it. Now. Listen, We've heard from a

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<v Speaker 1>number of you about our inclusion of Internet sensation Lance

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<v Speaker 1>Vying our podcast, and uh, man, I'm gonna tell you

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<v Speaker 1>it reeks of current American politics, because man, you guys

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<v Speaker 1>are staunchly divided. There is no middle ground from the

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<v Speaker 1>two camps we are learning it is that those camps

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<v Speaker 1>are either love or hate. There is no middle, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know where I sit. By the way, we've kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thoroughly been enjoying some of the hates though, right

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<v Speaker 1>because they say ship like Lance needs to go and

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<v Speaker 1>if you're actually paying this idiot, I feel bad for you.

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<v Speaker 1>So listen, we're listening to you, guys. Okay, we're absorbing

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<v Speaker 1>your feedback and we've decided to change up the Lance

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<v Speaker 1>format a bit, uh, and we're only gonna focus on

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<v Speaker 1>the wants and needs of his true fans and going forward,

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<v Speaker 1>just have him answer the many questions you guys have

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<v Speaker 1>been sending in. So if you have a question for Lance, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's personal or you're like you know, asking asking

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<v Speaker 1>for a friend, go ahead and send that to Bent

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<v Speaker 1>at the meat eater dot com. The land, to the boats,

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<v Speaker 1>to the like to the sea being up the inn

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<v Speaker 1>on that. But John Boyd Land, what's up? Brain farts?

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<v Speaker 1>Today's question comes from at throw Down Fishing Underscore, Inc.

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<v Speaker 1>He writes, Hey, Land, just the sound of your voice

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<v Speaker 1>makes me want to beat you mercilessly. I'm curious, though,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you consider best practices for posting gifts as

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<v Speaker 1>comments on social media? Great question, as they say a

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<v Speaker 1>picture is worth a thousand words. I mean one of

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<v Speaker 1>my pictures of worth a thousand dollars in free tackle,

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<v Speaker 1>but hashtag hate the player, not the game anyway. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to the magic of jifts, not only do you have

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<v Speaker 1>the option to post a picture as a response, you

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<v Speaker 1>can also post an animated picture which makes it like

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<v Speaker 1>sophisticated or whatever. The critical thing to remember is that

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<v Speaker 1>a gift is supposed to make people think. Don't be obvious.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a quick quiz. Someone throws up a shot of

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<v Speaker 1>what they consider a hog bass, like a four to

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<v Speaker 1>five pounder. The proper gift response would be a stone

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<v Speaker 1>called Steve Austin chugging a gallon of milk. Be Kanye

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<v Speaker 1>West clapping behind the words Kanye approves. See Mr Bean

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<v Speaker 1>fainting and D Samuel Jackson and paulp Fiction saying look

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<v Speaker 1>at the big brains on Brad. If you answered D

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<v Speaker 1>Samuel Jackson and pulp fiction saying look at the big

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<v Speaker 1>brains on Brad, you could not be more incorrect. The

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<v Speaker 1>answer is C Mr Bean fainting. Why because it leaves

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<v Speaker 1>room for interpretation. Is Mr Bean feigning because he's so

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<v Speaker 1>impressed by your hog bass? Or is Mr Bean feigning

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<v Speaker 1>because he's sick of idiots like you ruining the internet

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<v Speaker 1>By posting small fish that you consider big You want

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<v Speaker 1>the poster to lose sleep, ignore his alarm, and thus

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<v Speaker 1>show a plate for his shift at Burger king hashtag

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<v Speaker 1>only whopper you'll ever see. So that's it for this week.

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<v Speaker 1>I throw it on fishing inc I hope this lesson

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<v Speaker 1>gave you something to think about what you're sitting around

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<v Speaker 1>the KOI pon you keep posting on your instant stories

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<v Speaker 1>and remember the only appropriate gift response to anything by

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<v Speaker 1>the Google squad is Jesus healing the sick. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>I've said it before, I'm gonna say it again. I

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<v Speaker 1>am among the large ranks of people who lose hope

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<v Speaker 1>in the future of humanity every single time we bring

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<v Speaker 1>him on the show Man Game over Man, Game over Strong.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's strong. I mean, maybe it's because I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>total trouglodyte and I'm terrible at social media. I'd rather

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<v Speaker 1>read words on dead Tree skin than screens. But I

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<v Speaker 1>just can't find anything to like about that guy. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I hear what you're saying, right, but I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate the service he provides. Right, So everyone wants to

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<v Speaker 1>know how to make it as an internet fisherman so

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have to have a real job, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But the people who have done that successfully, they're not

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<v Speaker 1>exactly given seminars and spilling their guts. They're not telling

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<v Speaker 1>you the secret to just being an internet fisherman. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like I don't really care about euro

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<v Speaker 1>nymphing either, but I've had to edit many articles about

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<v Speaker 1>it through my career because apparently other people do. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's a fair point. And maybe Lance will become like

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<v Speaker 1>the Tony Robbins of internet fishing. Who knows. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>I've already once called him that he definitely is. And

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<v Speaker 1>look luckily for you, though, like we don't. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>keep you around for your social media prowess, so you're

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<v Speaker 1>off the hook with now. We keep you around because

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<v Speaker 1>of your deep and seemingly unending knowledge of fish species,

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<v Speaker 1>which you are about to demonstrate in this week's edition

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<v Speaker 1>of fin Clips. This is the part of the show

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<v Speaker 1>where we profile a fish species, usually one we think

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<v Speaker 1>is more interesting than most people realize. How much do

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<v Speaker 1>you know about American eels? If you're like most of us,

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<v Speaker 1>probably not much. Before sushi got popular here, the only

0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.000
<v Speaker 1>use we had for freshwater eels was impaling their young

0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.480
<v Speaker 1>for striper bait. These days, you can get barbecue deal

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<v Speaker 1>over sushi race in all fifty states, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't eat nagi, you're missing out. Seriously, it's delicious. Freshwater

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<v Speaker 1>eels are also one of the coolest fish on the continent.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people get hung up on the whole four ft

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<v Speaker 1>long underwater snake look they have going, but don't rush

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<v Speaker 1>to judgment until all the facts are in. I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sure Joe is going to tell me that I have

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<v Speaker 1>it all wrong on eels, since once again the guy

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<v Speaker 1>out west is trying to talk about an East Coast

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<v Speaker 1>fish and the truth is that I've never actually caught

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<v Speaker 1>a freshwater eel, but I have been really fascinated by

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<v Speaker 1>them ever since I learned that they have mysterious orgies

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<v Speaker 1>at the bottom of the Bermuda Triangle. But I'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to that later. I might stress might have hooked an

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<v Speaker 1>American eel once. I was fishing the Kennebec River in

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<v Speaker 1>Maine catching cookie cutter trout on San Juan worms when

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<v Speaker 1>I hooked into something that was most definitely not a

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<v Speaker 1>foot long rainbow. It ripped downstream and had me nearly

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<v Speaker 1>spooled before the line finally snapped. Later that night at

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<v Speaker 1>the bar, I was having a few drinks and telling

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<v Speaker 1>one of the locals the story about the giant trout

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<v Speaker 1>that I lost that day, and after hearing my details,

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<v Speaker 1>he told me that wasn't a trout. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>goddamn eel. So even though I can't prove it, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>saying I hooked the neil once and it kicked my ass.

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<v Speaker 1>But getting back to the whole Bermuda triangle orgy thing,

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<v Speaker 1>American eels, like their European cousins, are catadromous, meaning they

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<v Speaker 1>live their adult lives and fresh water, but spawn in

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean. Basically the exact opposite of salmon and steelhead.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes studying their reproduction really challenging. So for thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of years people have been trying to figure out exactly

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<v Speaker 1>where and how Atlantic eels spawn. According to the writer

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<v Speaker 1>Lucy Cook, whose book The Truth About Animals Is When

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<v Speaker 1>You should absolutely consider reading quote, Aristotle was obsessed with

0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:28.240
<v Speaker 1>eel genitals. Way back in the fourth century BC. Aristotle

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<v Speaker 1>was hacking away at eels in his laboratory on the

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<v Speaker 1>Greek island of Les Bus in a fruitless search for

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<v Speaker 1>any evidence of genitalia. Since Aristotle couldn't find their sex parts,

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<v Speaker 1>he concluded wrongly that baby eels emerge fully formed from

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<v Speaker 1>what mud, no parentage required. Aristotle was far from the

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<v Speaker 1>last person to invent an elaborate story to explain the

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<v Speaker 1>genesis of infant eels. Try as they might, early naturalists

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<v Speaker 1>could never figure out how or where eels reproduced. In

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<v Speaker 1>the absence of real expan asians, they came up with

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<v Speaker 1>some very creative hypotheses. Eels emerge from the gills of

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<v Speaker 1>other fishes, from the fresh morning dew during certain months,

0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:12.480
<v Speaker 1>from electrical disturbances, from the thatching of roofs after a rainstorm.

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<v Speaker 1>They reproduce by rubbing themselves against rocks, and that quote

0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.920
<v Speaker 1>the scrapings come to life. One medieval theory suggested that

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<v Speaker 1>eels were the transmogrified forms of the bastard children of

0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:30.920
<v Speaker 1>priests and married women fleeing persecution through shape shifting. These

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<v Speaker 1>go on and on, and while it's always fun to

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<v Speaker 1>laugh at the ignorance of ancient scientists from our smug

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<v Speaker 1>positions in the future, the truth is that we still

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<v Speaker 1>don't know for sure how big eels make little eels.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's what we do know, or or what we

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<v Speaker 1>think we know. Atlantic eels start their life as an egg,

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<v Speaker 1>no bigger than a grain of rice. These tiny eggs

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<v Speaker 1>suspend in the depths of an underwater forest and the

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<v Speaker 1>Saragasso Sea, the deepest saltiest slice of the Atlantic Ocean,

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<v Speaker 1>located smack in the middle of the me To Triangle.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the next seven months to three years, they undergo

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<v Speaker 1>two complete metamorphoses and travel four thousand miles to the

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<v Speaker 1>rivers of North America and Europe. Once there, they wriggle

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<v Speaker 1>upstream and bury themselves in substrate, eating absolutely everything that

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<v Speaker 1>gets in their way, bugs, fish, mice, birds, whatever. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere from six to thirty years later, they make the

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<v Speaker 1>return trip back to the Saragasso, undergoing yet another metamorphosis

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<v Speaker 1>and developing sexual organs somewhere along the way. Researchers think

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<v Speaker 1>that once they arrive, they intertwine in giant wriggling bowls

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<v Speaker 1>of mass population in the darkest steps of the ocean,

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<v Speaker 1>but no one actually knows this for sure, because no

0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.240
<v Speaker 1>eel has ever been tracked all the way to its

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<v Speaker 1>mating grounds, and no wild fertilized eggs have ever been found.

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<v Speaker 1>But why do we care, Well, besides the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>most people like a good mystery, eels are important fish

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<v Speaker 1>in American history, similar to the shad we covered in

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<v Speaker 1>a previous episode. American eels fed both the Native people

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<v Speaker 1>and the early Europeans in North America, although Turkey probably

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't actually part of the first Thanksgiving eels were. Today

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<v Speaker 1>eel stocks are crashing in some places by as much

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<v Speaker 1>as due to the same things that are hurting so

0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:21.080
<v Speaker 1>many other migratory fish damns over fishing and pollution. If

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<v Speaker 1>we understood eel sex, we might be able to better

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<v Speaker 1>manage our stocks or breathe them in captivity and take

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<v Speaker 1>some of the pressure off wild fisheries. This isn't even

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<v Speaker 1>close to the full story on freshwater eels. To learn more,

0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.760
<v Speaker 1>including the heavily armed gangs that are running the illicit

0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.479
<v Speaker 1>eel trade, check out the story I wrote over at

0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:42.520
<v Speaker 1>the meat eater dot com called Barroom Banter Mysterious Eel

0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:49.280
<v Speaker 1>sex in the Bermida Triangle. I just feel the need

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<v Speaker 1>to to ask, man, like, why do you always take

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<v Speaker 1>the East Coast species for this? Like you know that

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<v Speaker 1>is my turf and uh, I just you know, stay

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<v Speaker 1>in your lane, man, what do you know? What do

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<v Speaker 1>you know about eels? You just admitted that you've never

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<v Speaker 1>caught one? Well, I know, I know that they're delicious

0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:11.040
<v Speaker 1>and creepy looking and everything else I read either in

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<v Speaker 1>books or on the internet. So the delicious. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it is debatable, Like I don't mind the sushi, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's that it's all right. I don't know. But look,

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<v Speaker 1>I know I used to catch I used to catch

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<v Speaker 1>eels fairly frequently as a kid. But it's it's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really not that common anymore. And they're all dying.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I think they're dying because all the Italian

0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:37.000
<v Speaker 1>stallions out here caught them up. Because I think somebody

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<v Speaker 1>once told me eel plays a big role in their

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas Eve dinners for people with ties to the Old Country.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll tell you what, dude, I'm gonna do a

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<v Speaker 1>finc clips on Grayling or west Slope, east side, yellow orange,

0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:53.119
<v Speaker 1>cut through whatever the niche species you have at they

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<v Speaker 1>will see how you love kids. We'll go today. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I am fascinated by the things I can't have, like

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<v Speaker 1>so many of us. Your Eastern all your Eastern species

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<v Speaker 1>seem like weirdly exotic to me, even though they're totally

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<v Speaker 1>normal to you. And you guys have you guys have

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<v Speaker 1>legitimately cool fish man like, it's not all three eyed

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<v Speaker 1>blinky's that nuclear wastewater outlets. So I think you should

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<v Speaker 1>take this as a compliment and not get all annoyed

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Well, no, it's it's a lot of those though.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I could if you have you ever come

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<v Speaker 1>out here and want three eyed, blinky nuclear fish, I

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<v Speaker 1>know where to find them. Um. And you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's only fair since Eastern anglers have been kind of

0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:31.879
<v Speaker 1>exploiting your fish for generations. You know me. But we

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't do nearly as good of a job of exploiting

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<v Speaker 1>those fish if it weren't for the fact that every

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<v Speaker 1>what is it like, third person who lives in Montana

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<v Speaker 1>is a fishing guide. Loo think those are the most

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<v Speaker 1>those are the most recent stats, you know. And since

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<v Speaker 1>that's the case, we have no shortage of fishing people

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<v Speaker 1>to call when we're bored and want to ask stupid questions,

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<v Speaker 1>which we're about to do. It is time for trivia.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta be highly skilled for these shows. You understand

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<v Speaker 1>that if the fire are you well? First? Are you

0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:05.040
<v Speaker 1>very smart? Man? All right? It is that time where

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<v Speaker 1>we get to play a trivia game. Everyone's least favorite

0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.800
<v Speaker 1>trivia game because there's nothing to win, but you're probably

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<v Speaker 1>gonna lose your dignity today we are playing with our

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<v Speaker 1>our friend Kinsley Scott and uh and and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>ask her a couple of questions that will probably bring

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<v Speaker 1>down everybody's i Q, but hopefully we'll have a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of fun with it. Thanks for agreeing to do this, Kinsley. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for having me. Well, so you're feeling good. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see how much I can embarrass myself. Your questions,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what they are, so he has no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not a clue, and he doesn't get to

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<v Speaker 1>know either. Um, for those of you who do not know,

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<v Speaker 1>Kinsley is a guide who splits her time between Montana

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<v Speaker 1>and Washington, so she does a lot of catching of

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<v Speaker 1>the trouts, among other things. And she's a she's a

0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:57.760
<v Speaker 1>pretty damn fine steelhead guide. And so this first set

0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.199
<v Speaker 1>of questions, or this first question rather, Kinsley is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be steel head specific alright, So you're feeling you're

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<v Speaker 1>feeling strong on your steel head knowledge. We'll see we

0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:11.479
<v Speaker 1>will indeed, all right, So steel head. And and just

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<v Speaker 1>to be cleared, Joe, I'm talking about native range ocean

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<v Speaker 1>run steelhead. I have no idea if what I'm about

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<v Speaker 1>to say is true for Great Lakes fish. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't left to do. It is probably not. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>just clear that up right now. I'm not dogging on

0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:25.199
<v Speaker 1>your fish. I'm just saying I don't know if this

0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.080
<v Speaker 1>fits over there. I just don't know. Is velvita and

0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:31.240
<v Speaker 1>and and shrimp oil eggs in your question somewhere? Well,

0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:33.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's a favorite bait. That is a favorite

0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:37.600
<v Speaker 1>bait out here that that's that's just oh yeah, okay,

0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:46.639
<v Speaker 1>that crosses that crosses over your stead yeah steelhead, yeah yeah, alright,

0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:49.720
<v Speaker 1>so this this part's effect. And then I'm gonna ask

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<v Speaker 1>you some questions about why it is steel head have

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<v Speaker 1>a higher percentage of females than males in their population,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to know why is that. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>give you a few options. You have to pick one,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So why are there more females than males. A, Well,

0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:10.639
<v Speaker 1>the males are fat and they're lazy. So because some

0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:13.199
<v Speaker 1>male steel head they just choose to hang around in

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<v Speaker 1>the rivers, right, Since the impulse to head out to

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<v Speaker 1>sea can be impacted by the amount of fat and

0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:21.359
<v Speaker 1>efficious body, and male steel head don't need as much

0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:24.560
<v Speaker 1>fat reserves as females. They just don't bother. They just

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<v Speaker 1>they just prefer to hang out on the back eddie couch,

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<v Speaker 1>eating cat as cheetos and watching river monsters. So so

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<v Speaker 1>a is that it's because they're fat and lazy, be

0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:40.680
<v Speaker 1>sometimes they're a little too enthusiastic about spawning. Steel Head

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<v Speaker 1>can migrate back out to see after spawning, unlike Pacific

0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:46.240
<v Speaker 1>salmon that all die, but the majority of steel head

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<v Speaker 1>never make it back to the ocean. Historically, like sev

0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:51.800
<v Speaker 1>of fish used to make it all the way back

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<v Speaker 1>to the salt depending on where in the world they were,

0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:57.480
<v Speaker 1>but now with the dams and habitat degradation everything else,

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<v Speaker 1>that numbers more like one but that numbers even lower

0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:05.679
<v Speaker 1>for male steel head. Whereas female steel head will only

0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:09.040
<v Speaker 1>drop eggs once, some male steel head will just keep

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<v Speaker 1>on fertilizing until they're so utterly depleted that they can't

0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:18.400
<v Speaker 1>make it back. See. Male steel head are mostly unnecessary

0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:21.960
<v Speaker 1>because one male can fertilize the eggs of many different females,

0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:25.480
<v Speaker 1>and because resident male rainbow trout can also fertilize those

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<v Speaker 1>eggs just as effectively as male steel head that migrated.

0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Steelhead populations just don't need very many males to maintain

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<v Speaker 1>healthy numbers or D all of the above. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>So your options about why there are more females and

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<v Speaker 1>males and steel head populations is A. Males are fat

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<v Speaker 1>and lazy. B males are too enthusiastic about spawning, see

0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:50.480
<v Speaker 1>males are mostly unnecessary. Or D. All of the above.

0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:57.639
<v Speaker 1>There's truth and all of those. Um. Okay, So let

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<v Speaker 1>me get this straight. A they're lazy. Hey, they're lazy.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't even bother migrating. Be there too enthusiastic about spawning,

0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:12.960
<v Speaker 1>so they essentially kill themselves. See they're not that necessarily

0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:16.040
<v Speaker 1>in population anyway, so natural selection doesn't really need them.

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<v Speaker 1>Or D. All the things are true. My gut is

0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:24.720
<v Speaker 1>saying that D because there is truth in every every

0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 1>one of those. Um. Like you said, rainbow trout will

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<v Speaker 1>fertilize reds for females. Um, I'm gonna go with D.

0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:39.480
<v Speaker 1>You are correct. All those things are true. Yes, let

0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:43.480
<v Speaker 1>me let me wipe the sweat from my forehead. Correct.

0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Every single one of those is true, and all of

0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:50.119
<v Speaker 1>those are reasons why we have more migratory females than males.

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:52.720
<v Speaker 1>All right, So you got your first question right. You

0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:58.480
<v Speaker 1>should maybe relax a little bit here, you go irish

0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:03.520
<v Speaker 1>up that coffee. Uh okay. So you you are from Montana,

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<v Speaker 1>I know this, and as a Montana and you know

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<v Speaker 1>how many just weird little creeks there are everywhere, right,

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:14.399
<v Speaker 1>And and there are some river and creek names that

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<v Speaker 1>are just like it's like everyone just used the same

0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:19.200
<v Speaker 1>one over and over there and they couldn't get creative

0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:21.359
<v Speaker 1>about it. Right. I once counted the number of Willow

0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 1>creeks in Montana, and I now can't remember the exact number,

0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:29.560
<v Speaker 1>but it was over twenty of bear creeks and rock Creek,

0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:36.119
<v Speaker 1>Rock Creek. We got them in Pennsylvania, everywhere, It's true.

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 1>But then there are those ones that go the other direction. Right.

0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:42.320
<v Speaker 1>They're just so unique and weird that you can't forget

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 1>the names, and you know there's got to be a

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:45.720
<v Speaker 1>story behind them, but you usually can't figure it out.

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:49.000
<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna read you a list of river and

0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 1>creek names, and you tell me which one is not

0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 1>an actual creek somewhere in the world. All right? So

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:01.840
<v Speaker 1>is it in the world? Yes? So is it a

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<v Speaker 1>pick a tooth creek? Be Murdering Hut Creek, see Peckerwood Creek,

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:16.600
<v Speaker 1>d Dwarfs kill Creek or e Rivie de ha ha.

0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:23.280
<v Speaker 1>You want to hear him again? Impossible? This is impossible. Okay,

0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:27.600
<v Speaker 1>there's I feel like the most ridiculous one has to

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:32.760
<v Speaker 1>exist because how would you? It's reverse psychology essentially on

0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:35.800
<v Speaker 1>the question. That's a good strategy. I agree with that strategy. Yes,

0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:39.520
<v Speaker 1>I need to hear him again. Is it a pick

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:45.200
<v Speaker 1>a tooth creek, be Murdering Hut Creek, see Peckerwood Creek,

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:55.440
<v Speaker 1>d dwarfs Kill Creek or e Rivie de ha ha, whoever, whoever?

0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:57.680
<v Speaker 1>If that, if that truly does exist, they deserve a

0:26:57.760 --> 0:27:01.320
<v Speaker 1>metal um. I. I'm going to have to go with

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:04.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe one of the more generic ones in the middle.

0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna just pick one because I can't even remember

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:12.159
<v Speaker 1>the first two. We'll go with. If she doesn't get it,

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 1>let me take a shot. What was c again? See

0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 1>is Peckerwood Creek? I feel like that doesn't exist? And

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:26.120
<v Speaker 1>then D was dwarfs Kill Creek. I'm gonna go with

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:32.919
<v Speaker 1>murder Hut Murdering Hut Creek. B Joe, I think the

0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:35.879
<v Speaker 1>fake one is Peckerwood Creek. God, I wish that were true.

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:38.240
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna win no matter what, because I actually couldn't

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:40.080
<v Speaker 1>come up with a fake name nearly as good as

0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:42.440
<v Speaker 1>any of the real ones. They're all real, so you win.

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:45.119
<v Speaker 1>No matter what you peck on this one, there is

0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:48.639
<v Speaker 1>no answer. I just had too much fun finding ridiculous

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 1>creek names and putting him in there. Do you know

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:55.399
<v Speaker 1>where these places where they there are? Some of them

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:59.680
<v Speaker 1>are in uh so. The last one was in French Canadia,

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:04.680
<v Speaker 1>and know that a couple of them were Australian. One

0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 1>was in Pennsylvania. I believe, I can't exactly remember. At

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 1>this point, I should have written all that down, but

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:13.399
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I just had too much fun coming up

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 1>with those titles. But see, I figured they could all

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 1>be real too. But I figured, if he's gonna stick

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:21.480
<v Speaker 1>one in, he's just gonna throw out pecker. Would I

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:24.439
<v Speaker 1>wish I had? I think that's a little our trivia.

0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Our trivia segment is based on trust. Okay, the trade, Yeah,

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 1>you won, you can't lose. This is a not lose

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 1>not there's no way you can lose it. This one.

0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 1>You got them both, you got full credit. Okay, Well, then,

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 1>since when did trivia become teball where we all get

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 1>a trophy? Today? When I was driving. Thanks for letting

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 1>us just be manipulative and mess with your head, Ginsley.

0:28:50.400 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 1>We appreciate it. Thank you. That was bullshit. Come on,

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 1>you cannot do that. It's the whole world God crazy

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 1>about the only one right here gets a gun about

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the roll. You cannot do that going forward, I forbid it.

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.760
<v Speaker 1>I can, and I did. When you do trivia, you

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 1>can write whatever questions you want. Is our show, and

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 1>we control the laws of reality in this tiny, tiny

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 1>little universe of ours. Except in one segment, where Fill

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 1>the engineer is all knowing, all powerful, and all deciding.

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 1>It's now time for us to genuflict and grovel at

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 1>his heels in the hopes that we are the shows.

0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 1>In one it's time for fish news. Fish news. That

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 1>escalated quickly, so before we kick off fish news, which,

0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 1>as a reminder, is a competition, Miles and I don't

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 1>know which news stories the other feller has dredged up, uh,

0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 1>and a winner is declared by the infallible audio engineer

0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 1>of ours Phil at the end, we do like to

0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>use this space to give a and shout out and

0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 1>such one appropriate time to time. And I must say

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:05.080
<v Speaker 1>at Miles, I don't I don't know if you've been

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:08.760
<v Speaker 1>seeing this, but I've gotten quite a few notes about

0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 1>bushy figurines since your aushy story a few weeks. You've

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 1>got some stuff. The story seems to have resonated. It

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 1>appears that the folks are into that one. Yeah, and

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 1>almost to the point where I feel like there's a

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>lot more people actually fishing bushies out there than we

0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 1>even realized when when you broke the story. I would agree.

0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:29.280
<v Speaker 1>So I just just wanted to point out that that

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>that you guys love bushies. Apparently. In fact, listener Jeff

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Caldwell even wrote in to tell me that there are

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Misfits bushes available because apparently true. No, well, actually I

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 1>got all excited right because I'm a huge Misfits fan,

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 1>thinking they'd go great next to my Misfits bobble heads

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 1>and um custom Commission Danzig bust I have carved out

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 1>of imported Italian marble. But actually I looked it up

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 1>and that's that's not correct, Jeff. There are no Misfits

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 1>bushies that I could find. Um, So if you know

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:00.640
<v Speaker 1>something I don't and they do exist, as please send

0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 1>me the link. But quick side note, and my miles

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 1>I told you about this, I just have to share it.

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>A good friend of mine, Mick Trump, and recently sent

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 1>me a custom Misfits popper popper head with the skull. Yeah,

0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 1>you showed me those photos that looks amazing. I put

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:19.960
<v Speaker 1>them on Instagram, and freaking Doyle Wolfgang von Frankenstein, the

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 1>guitar player of the Misfits, shared my fly photo in

0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 1>his Instagram stories. So I went from last year ever

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 1>to best year ever, just like that with one share.

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:35.959
<v Speaker 1>So how about that? We've peaked me and Doyle. Uh So,

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>while while I'm officially having a good year, now, I'll

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 1>jump in and say, not long ago, the police and

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:45.800
<v Speaker 1>wearing Massachusetts were having a particularly bad day, and I

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>love the story of their torment. So we'll kick it

0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 1>off here. Here's one from the New York Times headline,

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Massachusetts town begs residents to stop calling about fish. Okay,

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 1>which doesn't That doesn't tell you the good It's a

0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 1>good headline, but it's it doesn't really doesn't really sell

0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:06.960
<v Speaker 1>it yet. So I'll read a little bit. I'll read

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 1>a little bit here. Uh. Some of the calls reported

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:13.960
<v Speaker 1>an injured seal. Others said they had seen the shark Still,

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 1>others implored officials to help what appeared to be a

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>stranded fish. By early afternoon Monday, dozens of people had

0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 1>called emergency officials and wear them on the southeast coast

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:28.960
<v Speaker 1>of Massachusetts. The town's department dispatched two officers to investigate.

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 1>So what did they find? Well, it says they soon

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:34.600
<v Speaker 1>discovered that the odd looking creature lulling in a cove

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 1>off Buzzard's Bay was no cause for alarm. It was

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:41.840
<v Speaker 1>an ocean sunfish, an enormous blob like creature that eats jellyfish,

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:45.240
<v Speaker 1>has a dorsal fin that, to the untrained I can

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 1>resemble that of a shark. Now, you grew up in Hawaii, right,

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 1>so probably you know them as mola mola. Correct? Right so?

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:56.480
<v Speaker 1>And frankly, all the off shore dudes I run with

0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:59.840
<v Speaker 1>we always called amla's when we saw them. Um, but yeah,

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>it's cool, Yeah, I don't know. We we also say

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 1>mahi more even though dolphin is more the East coast thing.

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 1>I just gravitate to the Pacific terms. Apparently, me and

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:17.280
<v Speaker 1>my friends ocean sunfish, mola mola Okay, same thing. But see,

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:19.680
<v Speaker 1>the calls did not stop, and the town ended up

0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 1>getting so frustrated that they had to issue a plea

0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:28.880
<v Speaker 1>on their Facebook page begging people to stop calling, adding

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 1>in the post, it is not not in all caps

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:37.840
<v Speaker 1>stranded or suffering. The sunfish is fine, fine in all caps,

0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 1>then following that in all caps all the way through.

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Please stop calling the police department about the sunfish. And

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 1>there's a there's a there's a great quote in here

0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 1>from Whereham's harbormaster Gary Buckminster that reads, we get it,

0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 1>he added, referring to the concern residents had expressed. But

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:02.720
<v Speaker 1>one one isn't a good avenue to report fish that

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 1>are swimming around. That's what I was thinking this whole time,

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:14.759
<v Speaker 1>the police, Like that's anybody who's I mean, I get

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:18.919
<v Speaker 1>not being familiar with house a particular critter reacts or

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, behaves and and expressing concern. I can I

0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:25.719
<v Speaker 1>can get myself there. But then that your first thought

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:28.760
<v Speaker 1>as well, I better call the cops, Like you don't

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.879
<v Speaker 1>understand the function of the police department at all. If

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 1>that's what you did, and not even the local number

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:35.799
<v Speaker 1>of the police, We're just gonna go. We're just gonna

0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 1>go straight to UH one. But now here's why I'm surprised, right,

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>And this story even kind of echoes my surprise later on.

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 1>And you might remember this. Back in two thousand fifteen,

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 1>two schmos fishing on a boat up and mass encountered

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:54.040
<v Speaker 1>a giant sunfish, a giant mola, and a video this encounter,

0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 1>and it went super mega viral because they were so

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:01.719
<v Speaker 1>confused about what they were seeing. Uh, this is the

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:05.399
<v Speaker 1>infamous baby whale video. Right. So here's a little mash

0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:10.240
<v Speaker 1>up we put together as a refresher. It's a baby whale. Man,

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:13.799
<v Speaker 1>we gotta call the aquarium of something to it. You

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:17.120
<v Speaker 1>want to try to pull it in, Let's look it,

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:19.880
<v Speaker 1>j J. We could get some big money for that.

0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 1>If it's a fish fight. Come on, let's plow up

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 1>next to that ship. Role, let's help it. Uh. And

0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 1>And as we now know, it was not a baby whale. Ja.

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Every time I hear that, I cannot help but crack

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:36.959
<v Speaker 1>up like it's it's old news. Now. It's been around

0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 1>for years, but that one still makes me laugh. That

0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:43.240
<v Speaker 1>video never gets old. So it was not a baby whale,

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:46.400
<v Speaker 1>nor as they suggested, a flounder, nor as they later suggested,

0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:49.719
<v Speaker 1>a tuna. And it was not in distress nor valuable.

0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:52.560
<v Speaker 1>You'd actually have gotten no money for it and possibly

0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 1>find had you brought it back to the dock. But

0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I kind of thought the world saw this video right like.

0:35:57.640 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 1>It ended up on news channels all over And even

0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:03.719
<v Speaker 1>if the world hasn't seen this video, hasn't everyone in

0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:08.319
<v Speaker 1>coastal Massachusetts seen it? You know? I would think apparently not.

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:10.759
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, hell, J and Companies spent a full

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:13.799
<v Speaker 1>seven minutes essentially answering all the questions and ruling out

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:17.239
<v Speaker 1>all the possibilities that people were flooding the local Wear

0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 1>and p D with last week. It would have been

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 1>so good of the Wear and p D could have

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:24.839
<v Speaker 1>put together like a similar mash up like what what

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:28.279
<v Speaker 1>you did and just played that out to people. I

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:30.880
<v Speaker 1>think that would have been a better response. Actually, I

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:33.759
<v Speaker 1>just I just I'm shocked that there's that you know

0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:36.800
<v Speaker 1>that I don't know. I will say this though, I

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:38.920
<v Speaker 1>bumped into tons and tons of molas off shore over

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:42.239
<v Speaker 1>the year, and they are one freakishly bizarre fish. They're

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:47.400
<v Speaker 1>very weird one in person, they're weird looking. Yeah, and

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 1>I think this is what happens most of the time

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 1>you see him way off shore, But every once in

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 1>a while they just sort of ride the wrong current

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:54.440
<v Speaker 1>or whatever and they end up real tight to the beach.

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 1>But they look like an evolutionary accident, like someone was like, whoops,

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 1>screw that. We'll just let it. Oh, we'll do better

0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:03.640
<v Speaker 1>when we start working on the billfish, you know. And

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:06.360
<v Speaker 1>they're and they're just they're so clumsy and goofy, and

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:09.400
<v Speaker 1>I've always known what they were, but man, like, those

0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:11.959
<v Speaker 1>big old things they got have given me and many

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 1>a shark crew heart palpitations because they come up at

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:17.719
<v Speaker 1>a distance, way out there in your slick and you're like, oh, ship,

0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:20.200
<v Speaker 1>but it's just it's just old dope, you know, swimming

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:23.359
<v Speaker 1>and hoovering pieces of bunk er chum, and you feel

0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:25.000
<v Speaker 1>bad for him. I'm like, I feel bad for you.

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:27.719
<v Speaker 1>You're you're weird. This is your life. But anyway, there

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.800
<v Speaker 1>you go. It's a sunfish. Jay. Stop calling the police.

0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:34.080
<v Speaker 1>They're busy arresting your friends for throwing hands in the

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 1>parking lot at the Cumberland Farms. Oh. I love that story,

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:41.240
<v Speaker 1>and it teas It teased me up nicely because we're

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:43.759
<v Speaker 1>we're on the subject of evolutionary accidents, and I'm just

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna run with that one. And I'll look at I'm

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:48.279
<v Speaker 1>kind of stepping into a little bit of Joe territory here,

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.319
<v Speaker 1>but I just couldn't let this one go, all right.

0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:52.480
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know about you, man, but when I

0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 1>hear Isle of White, I immediately think of Jimi Hendrix.

0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:00.400
<v Speaker 1>I think of the posthumus album that was recorded when

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:02.400
<v Speaker 1>he played at the Island of White Festival just weeks

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 1>before his death. And I gotta say that's possibly one

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 1>of the best versions of machine Gun ever laid down,

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:10.799
<v Speaker 1>hands down. But I have to go listen to that now,

0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:14.120
<v Speaker 1>like it's been years. It's good. It's good. But this

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 1>next story like gives me just a little bit of

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 1>a slight, slightly new association with the island that sits

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:22.320
<v Speaker 1>just south of the UK and the English Channel. British

0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 1>angler Jason Gillespie was fishing just off the Isle of

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:34.040
<v Speaker 1>White when he caught something unprecedented, a completely white tope shark. Now,

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:36.080
<v Speaker 1>I gotta admit, I've never heard of a tope shark before.

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Are you familiar with these? Uh? No, is the short answer.

0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've heard that name before. Unlike last

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:44.759
<v Speaker 1>week we mentioned a gulper shark. Like, I don't know

0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 1>what the hell, but I feel like I have heard

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:48.960
<v Speaker 1>of tope shark. It's a new one on me there.

0:38:49.160 --> 0:38:50.960
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't tell you what it looked like or anything,

0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 1>but they're also called school sharks snapper sharks, and this

0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:57.920
<v Speaker 1>one kind of fits soup finn sharks, which pretty well

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:03.640
<v Speaker 1>explains why they are critically endangered. Delicious tope sharks max

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 1>out at about seven feet in length, and they're normally

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:08.759
<v Speaker 1>bluish gray on their backs and flanks and white on

0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 1>their bellies, you know, just like most sharks. The specimen

0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:16.000
<v Speaker 1>that Gillespie landed, however, or Gillespie excuse me, was a

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 1>mature adult tope shark, completely bone white. And if you

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:24.520
<v Speaker 1>look up pictures of this thing, it's it's it's weird

0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 1>looking it. It looks a little like those creepy goblin

0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 1>sharks that leave live in like the super deep oceans.

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Not not the normal tope sharks, but this version of

0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:35.359
<v Speaker 1>it has like a little bit of the goblin shark

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:38.600
<v Speaker 1>thing going on. Gillespie was quoted as saying, I've been

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:41.440
<v Speaker 1>fishing for thirty years and I've never seen anything like that.

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 1>It's the fish of a lifetime one in a million.

0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:46.000
<v Speaker 1>He wanted to say that a friend of his claimed

0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:48.920
<v Speaker 1>to have caught one before, but he didn't think that

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:51.960
<v Speaker 1>albino sharks could survive into adulthood. He told the British

0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:55.720
<v Speaker 1>news agency s w N S quote. I think generally

0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:57.759
<v Speaker 1>if they lose their color, they struggled to survive because

0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:00.200
<v Speaker 1>they don't have the same camouflage and they can't hunt

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:04.720
<v Speaker 1>as effectively and they get picked off by predators. Biologists agree,

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.520
<v Speaker 1>which the last beyond this point, which is why they

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 1>hypothesize that the shark isn't an albino but instead lucistic.

0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 1>In other words, it wasn't born without pigment, but lost

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:17.879
<v Speaker 1>its pigment throughout its life. And for reference, Joe, I'll

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:20.800
<v Speaker 1>use one of your personal icons here, I think Michael Jackson.

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:28.799
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson. And while that story is interesting and it's

0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:31.319
<v Speaker 1>been widely reported, I actually have a follow up for

0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:33.319
<v Speaker 1>it that that popped up after I had finished that one,

0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:36.320
<v Speaker 1>and it's totally absurd. Uh. It's been a big week

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:39.960
<v Speaker 1>in albio shark news apparently. Um. Before I dig into

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:42.880
<v Speaker 1>this one, I have to mention that I can't confirm

0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:45.479
<v Speaker 1>the veracity of what I'm about to say. It comes

0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:49.880
<v Speaker 1>from the Sun, which isn't exactly a bastion of journalistic integrity,

0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:52.000
<v Speaker 1>but still, I just I had to do it. They

0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 1>report that an Indonesian vessel caught a quote larger shark

0:40:56.800 --> 0:41:00.280
<v Speaker 1>in a net off the coast of Malaku Province into Asia.

0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:03.000
<v Speaker 1>They do not identify what kind of shark it was,

0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:05.319
<v Speaker 1>because that's not the point of the story. The point

0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:08.040
<v Speaker 1>of the story is what they found inside of the

0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:14.320
<v Speaker 1>larger shark, an albino cyclops shark fetus. Yes, you you

0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 1>heard that right. It's a baby shark with fully formed

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 1>fins and body structure without any pigmentation, and one crazy

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:25.640
<v Speaker 1>ass giant eyeball right above its mouth. Now, this could

0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:28.960
<v Speaker 1>be about as real as the National Inquirer scoop on

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:32.400
<v Speaker 1>undead Elvis and JFK Jr. Secretly hanging out at Trump rallies.

0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:35.080
<v Speaker 1>But I feel like I just forget bat Boy. Do

0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:37.879
<v Speaker 1>not forget bad Boy. Sorry about bat Boys there too,

0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:40.360
<v Speaker 1>but I felt like I like, I came across it

0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 1>and I just had to include it since I apparently

0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:46.399
<v Speaker 1>decided to cover the freakish shark beat this week, and man,

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:49.719
<v Speaker 1>it's it's creepy looking. Well, there was also something because

0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:51.440
<v Speaker 1>I thought about it for a hot second and I

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:53.240
<v Speaker 1>didn't do it. There was also like a two headed

0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:59.239
<v Speaker 1>shark something caught recently. I must have I would have

0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:02.840
<v Speaker 1>covered as weird weird things. Maybe the sharks heard the

0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, they heard that they're on the list for

0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:07.839
<v Speaker 1>for the COVID vaccine, and they're like, we're gonna We're

0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:10.440
<v Speaker 1>freaking out, man. I think that the amount of stress

0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:14.399
<v Speaker 1>that they're experiencing is causing some serious deformities. I don't know. Well,

0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:16.200
<v Speaker 1>the first one, though, the tope shark, is still the

0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:20.759
<v Speaker 1>most interesting to me, And I mean I don't know. Obviously,

0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:24.359
<v Speaker 1>anything that's an albino, regardless of species, we all know

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:26.880
<v Speaker 1>has a lesser chance of survival, right because it's just

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 1>like sticks out like a sore thumb. But yeah, just

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 1>it's not like it never happens. You and I have

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:36.359
<v Speaker 1>both seen the albino sailfish in the albino marlin, so

0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 1>that it makes you wonder if it was so rare

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:42.399
<v Speaker 1>for them to reach adulthood, as science is saying, being

0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:45.759
<v Speaker 1>stark white like that, were they or did they have

0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:49.239
<v Speaker 1>the Michael Jackson thing too? This is This is a

0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 1>good question. Uh, it might be lucistic, it might be

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.840
<v Speaker 1>albutism I think that just again, I'm not going to

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:58.880
<v Speaker 1>claim expertise here, but I think just in apparently the

0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:03.759
<v Speaker 1>way that that shark lives, it's it's highly migratory and

0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:05.960
<v Speaker 1>lives in the open ocean. So I think that that

0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:07.839
<v Speaker 1>would be It's not like it's an ambush predator. It's

0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:11.000
<v Speaker 1>like get hide anywhere. This thing lives in open ocean,

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:15.280
<v Speaker 1>and I think an albino shark migrating across massive open

0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 1>ocean is probably not going to do very well for

0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:21.840
<v Speaker 1>very long. Yeah, it's just just my theory. Is it

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:25.560
<v Speaker 1>a deep dwelling shark too? You know, deep water species?

0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Because I have to imagine after a certain point, right,

0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:30.560
<v Speaker 1>I should actually know the math of exactly how deep.

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:32.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it would make no difference if you were

0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:35.640
<v Speaker 1>an albino anymore. Well, that's why the goblin shark is

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:37.880
<v Speaker 1>is totally like has no pigment. They can pull that

0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 1>off because there's no light down there. But I don't

0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 1>think it's not that deep a dweller. Well, they live

0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:45.319
<v Speaker 1>right next to one of those cookie cutter sharks. They're

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:49.839
<v Speaker 1>scary too. There's so much scary ship down there. Talk

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:52.600
<v Speaker 1>about it more. But I have one more comment, just

0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 1>because it's just it just popped into my head about

0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:58.759
<v Speaker 1>the weird cyclops shark. You know, these stories pop up

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:00.480
<v Speaker 1>time to time about the sharks with two heads and

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:01.920
<v Speaker 1>this and that. Do you remember one years ago that

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 1>was trout with two mouths? I missed that trout. I

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 1>missed that one. And you know, like when you're a

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:11.520
<v Speaker 1>kid and you you slice underneath the jaw and then

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:14.319
<v Speaker 1>stick your finger in there and like pull the tongue

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 1>out and the guts out, like if you're cleaning a

0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:18.880
<v Speaker 1>trout to put on a campfire. Every which way I

0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:20.960
<v Speaker 1>look at that photo. All it looked to me is

0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:24.120
<v Speaker 1>like somebody slit that and separated it and opened that

0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:27.279
<v Speaker 1>little tongue tab below the chin. But it was all

0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:30.279
<v Speaker 1>over the news as a as a two mouthed, two

0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:34.000
<v Speaker 1>mouth trout. This one could be just as real as that.

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:36.200
<v Speaker 1>For the record, I'm not claiming that this is real.

0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:38.600
<v Speaker 1>It looks really creepy and it also looks like it

0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 1>could be completely fake. But I just had to throw

0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:48.600
<v Speaker 1>it in there. Every time I see a two headed,

0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:51.400
<v Speaker 1>two arms somehow, I'm always skeptical of it. Um. You know,

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:53.120
<v Speaker 1>I just I just don't take it at face value

0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:55.120
<v Speaker 1>that it's real. But let me tell you what is real,

0:44:56.719 --> 0:45:01.279
<v Speaker 1>the mullet toss. You know what the mullet tosses. Oh

0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:03.440
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, I have so many theories on this, but

0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:05.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to take up the time making up

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:07.960
<v Speaker 1>stupid stupid ship. What do you got? Well, that's fine

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:11.720
<v Speaker 1>because don't think too hard because it's pretty much exactly

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:14.440
<v Speaker 1>what it sounds like. Okay, So this is some exciting

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:18.240
<v Speaker 1>news out of Orange Beach, Alabama from Fox dot com

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:24.960
<v Speaker 1>headline fish will fly in rescheduled Gulf Coast event mullet toss.

0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 1>It sounds yes, Well I have no I have never

0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:30.359
<v Speaker 1>attended this event. I have been aware of it, um,

0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:33.239
<v Speaker 1>And it's a big deal down on the Florida Alabama border.

0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:37.000
<v Speaker 1>And it happens every year at the Florabama Lounge, which

0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:42.000
<v Speaker 1>is a well known and popular drinking establishment slash roadhouse. Um.

0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:44.520
<v Speaker 1>And this is right from the story. In this event,

0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:48.000
<v Speaker 1>contestants throw dead fish from a point in Florida across

0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:53.440
<v Speaker 1>the state line into Alabama, vying for distance records. So,

0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:56.279
<v Speaker 1>as I've hinted at, don't think too hard. It is

0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:59.160
<v Speaker 1>exactly what it sounds like. And of course it's mullet

0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:02.760
<v Speaker 1>um that they're throwing, which I will say for anyone unaware,

0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:08.160
<v Speaker 1>mullet are are a culturally significant species in that of

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:11.080
<v Speaker 1>the country, more so than than anywhere else. There's mullet festivals,

0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:13.320
<v Speaker 1>you can buy smoke mullet on the side of the

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 1>road and stuff like that. Uh. Now, normally the mullet

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 1>toss happens in April, but Rhona Rhona squash that right.

0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:25.240
<v Speaker 1>You attack on a few hurricanes in that area this season,

0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:29.640
<v Speaker 1>plus constantly fluctuating state restrictions on how bars could operate,

0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:31.719
<v Speaker 1>if they can be open, if they can't, and the

0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 1>mullet toss this year it kind of got sideline um.

0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:36.840
<v Speaker 1>But you know, we can breathe a sigh of relief,

0:46:37.280 --> 0:46:40.880
<v Speaker 1>fish hurlers because the event actually starts today October twenty

0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:46.400
<v Speaker 1>three and runs all weekend. And in case you're wondering,

0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:52.760
<v Speaker 1>just can we still get flights? I was just gonna say,

0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:55.680
<v Speaker 1>think about what you're saying. Not only can we get them,

0:46:55.719 --> 0:47:01.560
<v Speaker 1>we can fly first class for like ten dollars. Airlines

0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:05.439
<v Speaker 1>emails me daily just like, please go somewhere, Please we'll

0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:07.520
<v Speaker 1>pick you up at your house. We'll get you a

0:47:07.560 --> 0:47:11.239
<v Speaker 1>limo to come to fill the airport, private jet just

0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:15.759
<v Speaker 1>fly somewhere daily. I have to like say, like like

0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:18.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's it's out of control. So yeah, um,

0:47:18.719 --> 0:47:21.799
<v Speaker 1>we'd probably well, obviously we're not gonna catch today's festivities,

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:24.200
<v Speaker 1>but we can be there by Saturday night, you know

0:47:24.239 --> 0:47:27.360
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. Um, And in in case you or

0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:30.319
<v Speaker 1>anybody else is wondering. And again I'm not judging this

0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:32.239
<v Speaker 1>information one way or another. It's just you know, because

0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I like to be factual and give you all sides. Um.

0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:38.080
<v Speaker 1>One of the bars owners uh says masks are optional,

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:42.880
<v Speaker 1>so there's that. Um yeah, And the same guy reminds

0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:45.319
<v Speaker 1>us it's an outdoor event and it's usually breezy there,

0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:48.399
<v Speaker 1>so you don't have to worry about the COVID too much.

0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Though it does it does leave me wondering, right, Um,

0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:55.480
<v Speaker 1>this could be we should go because this might be

0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:59.680
<v Speaker 1>the mullet toss of the century. Records will be broken

0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:02.279
<v Speaker 1>because I have to imagine you've got eight months of

0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:08.080
<v Speaker 1>quarantine to just fling dead mullet around the yard like

0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:10.600
<v Speaker 1>you owned your goddamn craft. If this is if this

0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:13.480
<v Speaker 1>is your thing, that you and and we're laughing, but

0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:16.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, there are certain people in this competition, like

0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:19.040
<v Speaker 1>there could be a documentary. It's like, well, everybody comes

0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:22.440
<v Speaker 1>in as fun, but old Billy Jefferson, he's the mullet

0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:25.719
<v Speaker 1>toss guy. So you know it's it's It's kind of

0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:28.160
<v Speaker 1>like how throughout Quarantine, I've magically gotten better at spinning

0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:31.080
<v Speaker 1>deer hair. This could be a competition for the ages,

0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:35.279
<v Speaker 1>all right, I have technical questions, yeah, and and maybe

0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:37.120
<v Speaker 1>you don't know the answers, but I still have them.

0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:40.920
<v Speaker 1>I may not. Is there like a particular Is this

0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:42.839
<v Speaker 1>like the shot put where you have to you know,

0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:45.560
<v Speaker 1>the mechanics of it are dictated in rules and there's

0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:48.799
<v Speaker 1>only one type of tossing? Or can you throw these

0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:52.640
<v Speaker 1>things however you want? You know, two hands over the head, underhand,

0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:56.120
<v Speaker 1>throw it like a football whatever. It's just about your distance,

0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:59.160
<v Speaker 1>like can you get a running start? I want there

0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:01.839
<v Speaker 1>have got to be some rules around this. Okay, So

0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I am not entirely sure about that, but I already

0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:07.520
<v Speaker 1>have a feeling one or more people is going to

0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:12.359
<v Speaker 1>write in after this episode and and tell us, though

0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:14.799
<v Speaker 1>I will say and again, pardon if I'm wrong, but

0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:18.120
<v Speaker 1>I remember covering this in a magazine years ago briefly,

0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:21.400
<v Speaker 1>and I think it was just like, whatever you gotta

0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:23.839
<v Speaker 1>do to get the mullet as far as you can go,

0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:27.120
<v Speaker 1>Like you may even be allowed to make a giant slingshot,

0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:31.680
<v Speaker 1>like I'm really not mechanical advantage is allowed. I don't

0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:33.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know, and I should I

0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:36.640
<v Speaker 1>should have gone further into that. But um, you know,

0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:39.359
<v Speaker 1>mullet toss, which is interesting to me because mullet run

0:49:39.560 --> 0:49:43.319
<v Speaker 1>fish wise, huge deal in the Gulf, huge deal in Florida, right,

0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Um not so, I mean we were we just got

0:49:47.280 --> 0:49:49.600
<v Speaker 1>over our mullet run here. It's just not as big

0:49:49.640 --> 0:49:53.160
<v Speaker 1>a thing here because it never seems to coincide with

0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:55.080
<v Speaker 1>any other fish. So it's like, oh dude, there's mullet

0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:57.040
<v Speaker 1>all over. Yeah, but the stripers aren't here yet or

0:49:57.040 --> 0:49:59.400
<v Speaker 1>this isn't here yet, so they just it doesn't have

0:49:59.440 --> 0:50:03.040
<v Speaker 1>the same pun um. And I've never eaten it, but

0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I've I've bought giant horse mullet at one of the

0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:07.360
<v Speaker 1>seafood markets here at time or two of her bait,

0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:10.560
<v Speaker 1>and to me, it is so pungent. I don't I

0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:12.440
<v Speaker 1>don't fully get it, but I do know it's a

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:15.560
<v Speaker 1>big thing down there. I think it's like any greasy fish.

0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:18.440
<v Speaker 1>If you smoke it, it's good. That's that's my understanding.

0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I've had it in like a like a dip, like

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:24.399
<v Speaker 1>a smoke fish dip, and it was fun. Um here.

0:50:24.600 --> 0:50:26.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to spend too much some my mulley

0:50:26.040 --> 0:50:27.680
<v Speaker 1>because we're gonna run out of time, but I do

0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:29.239
<v Speaker 1>have a couple of things I want to say. Molly

0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:31.640
<v Speaker 1>get a bad rap in my opinion, and I know

0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:34.520
<v Speaker 1>why I have cursed many mullet many a time, because

0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:37.120
<v Speaker 1>if you're fishing for other species, particularly if you're in

0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:40.680
<v Speaker 1>like shallow water fishing for neurotic species, and mullet show

0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:42.839
<v Speaker 1>up to do that obnoxious thing where they just jump

0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:46.680
<v Speaker 1>for no reason and they spook everything around you just

0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:49.880
<v Speaker 1>you just you just hate them. But they strike me

0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:52.799
<v Speaker 1>as one of those fish that I want to learn

0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:54.680
<v Speaker 1>how to catch because they're really hard to catch, right,

0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:58.799
<v Speaker 1>because they're plankton eaters and so micro hooks and yeah,

0:50:59.760 --> 0:51:03.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not first, but it's crazy. It's the weird tactical

0:51:03.880 --> 0:51:07.120
<v Speaker 1>fishing rabbit hole that I could see myself going down

0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:11.480
<v Speaker 1>that it's it's like a species like that that's super

0:51:11.520 --> 0:51:15.960
<v Speaker 1>omnipresent but really really hard to to fool. Is exactly

0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:18.280
<v Speaker 1>the kind of thing that I can get totally lost

0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:20.480
<v Speaker 1>in and stuck on. I haven't done it yet, but

0:51:21.000 --> 0:51:23.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm not ruling it out as a possibility for my retirement.

0:51:23.760 --> 0:51:26.560
<v Speaker 1>That might be really to see you buying a little

0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:28.799
<v Speaker 1>place on a back creek dock with there's no red fish,

0:51:28.840 --> 0:51:33.799
<v Speaker 1>no tar, nothing just so, and you'd be happy. I would.

0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:37.080
<v Speaker 1>I would, And I'm gonna I'm gonna pivot off of

0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:40.360
<v Speaker 1>off of dead fish being flung through the air to

0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:43.719
<v Speaker 1>another dead fish story. Um, but to get there, I gotta,

0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:45.040
<v Speaker 1>I gotta. I want to. I want to go through

0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:48.799
<v Speaker 1>a different lens. I'm curious, Joe, were you Were you

0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:51.160
<v Speaker 1>a fan of the Far Side comics by Gary Larson?

0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Were you? Did you ever get into those? I mean,

0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:56.360
<v Speaker 1>I certainly know m I read a bunch, but no

0:51:56.719 --> 0:52:00.200
<v Speaker 1>to say I was a fan devoted to him? No, No, Yeah,

0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:01.719
<v Speaker 1>I loved him as a kid, like I really did.

0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Like we had the books and I read them and

0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:06.840
<v Speaker 1>even though you know, when I was a kids, some

0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:08.160
<v Speaker 1>of them went over my head because some of them

0:52:08.160 --> 0:52:10.799
<v Speaker 1>were kind of heavy, but I really liked them. And

0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Larson actually did a number of fishing related cartoons, but

0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:18.359
<v Speaker 1>the most famous of his fishing cartoons shows a couple

0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:21.200
<v Speaker 1>of dudes fishing from a boat on a lake and

0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:25.400
<v Speaker 1>in the background, several mushroom clouds rise from a nuclear attack,

0:52:25.640 --> 0:52:28.000
<v Speaker 1>and one guy says to the other, I'll tell you

0:52:28.040 --> 0:52:32.080
<v Speaker 1>what this means. Norm no size restrictions and screw the limit, right,

0:52:33.000 --> 0:52:35.880
<v Speaker 1>And it's it's funny, but it's it's super dark humor.

0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:38.960
<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's only funny because you don't expect that

0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:41.880
<v Speaker 1>to ever happen, but it's it's kind of in a

0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:45.640
<v Speaker 1>weird way, becoming a reality this fall in Colorado, except

0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:49.839
<v Speaker 1>instead of nuclear holocaust, we're talking about record drought. Okay, well,

0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:52.600
<v Speaker 1>well I was just gonna say too. I mean, not

0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:54.799
<v Speaker 1>not entirely sure where you're going, but there were a

0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:57.239
<v Speaker 1>lot of people early pandemic who had that vibe like

0:52:57.239 --> 0:52:59.080
<v Speaker 1>with like they were like, when are there no limits?

0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:00.520
<v Speaker 1>And I can just gonna start why can deer like

0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:04.040
<v Speaker 1>those people existed the totally did. And I will just

0:53:04.080 --> 0:53:07.720
<v Speaker 1>say right now, this story has nothing to do with COVID. Okay, yeah,

0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:11.000
<v Speaker 1>none at all right. Now we are in what's being

0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:14.640
<v Speaker 1>called a mega drought. More than forty five of the

0:53:14.680 --> 0:53:18.880
<v Speaker 1>lower forty eight needs moisture real bad, and Colorado is

0:53:18.920 --> 0:53:22.400
<v Speaker 1>getting hit particularly hard. The entire western half of the

0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:26.239
<v Speaker 1>state is an extreme drought, and almost of the state

0:53:26.320 --> 0:53:31.560
<v Speaker 1>is in what's called exceptional drought. One thing not so

0:53:31.680 --> 0:53:34.600
<v Speaker 1>extremely tend being extremely extreme. I give us a night.

0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Fish need water, but right now there isn't enough of

0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:45.080
<v Speaker 1>it to go around. Some of Colorado's many reservoirs are

0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:47.440
<v Speaker 1>being drained down to the point where they cannot support

0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:52.240
<v Speaker 1>fish populations, so Colorado Parks and Wildlife have declared emergency

0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:57.000
<v Speaker 1>fish salvages. Salvages mean a complete suspension of bag or

0:53:57.040 --> 0:54:00.719
<v Speaker 1>size limits. Basically, it means that CPW has given up

0:54:00.760 --> 0:54:04.040
<v Speaker 1>hope that fish will survive in these watersheds, and instead

0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:07.040
<v Speaker 1>of yeah, instead of letting those fish go to waste,

0:54:07.320 --> 0:54:10.200
<v Speaker 1>they let anglers come in and take as many as

0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:15.200
<v Speaker 1>they can. CPW has enacted salvages at four different reservoirs,

0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:19.359
<v Speaker 1>bar Jumbo, Pewter Ponds, and as of last week, Wahatya,

0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:22.440
<v Speaker 1>though the salvage at Jumbo was recently rescinded to be

0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:24.120
<v Speaker 1>clear as far as I can understand, the other ones

0:54:24.120 --> 0:54:28.200
<v Speaker 1>are still gone. Fish habitat is not the primary purpose

0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:32.560
<v Speaker 1>of Colorado reservoirs, or really any reservoir anywhere. They're owned

0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:36.480
<v Speaker 1>and managed by irrigation companies. In a state that's mostly arid,

0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:41.600
<v Speaker 1>reservoirs function as water catchment and retention systems. Colorado has

0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:45.200
<v Speaker 1>lots of mountains. Those traps snow in the cold months.

0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:47.440
<v Speaker 1>That snow then melts into rivers, but river flows are

0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:51.640
<v Speaker 1>inconstant seasonal so reservoirs allow water managers like some insurance

0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:54.560
<v Speaker 1>they can bank water, but that insurance will only go

0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:57.200
<v Speaker 1>so far, right, Like, if a drought persists long enough,

0:54:57.520 --> 0:55:01.400
<v Speaker 1>reservoirs get drawn down to irrigate crops and flush toilets

0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:04.520
<v Speaker 1>and water lawns. And I'm not going to go off

0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:06.640
<v Speaker 1>on an anti lawn rent right now. I swore I

0:55:06.640 --> 0:55:09.120
<v Speaker 1>wasn't gonna do it, even though I really really want to.

0:55:09.440 --> 0:55:12.800
<v Speaker 1>But just real quick watering plots of non native grass

0:55:12.800 --> 0:55:15.520
<v Speaker 1>and arid environments because it looks pretty is way up

0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:18.920
<v Speaker 1>there on the list of pointlessly destructive yet seemingly innocent

0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:23.080
<v Speaker 1>stupid ship that people do. Colorado, California, Arizona, New Mexico.

0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:28.080
<v Speaker 1>I am talking to you anyway. I'm not gonna do it.

0:55:28.320 --> 0:55:30.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I'm done. I'm done. That's it. I had

0:55:31.160 --> 0:55:33.320
<v Speaker 1>and you know, and I even agree with you, except

0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:36.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel like the sneers from my neighbors when

0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:41.680
<v Speaker 1>my my ship's running wild. Yeah, I had to say something,

0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:43.319
<v Speaker 1>but I just I don't. I'm not trying to get

0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:47.080
<v Speaker 1>way off off topic. My point here. Fishing is a

0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:51.880
<v Speaker 1>secondary benefit of reservoirs. So when the water needs exceed

0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:54.880
<v Speaker 1>the water capacity, they get drained and the fish can

0:55:54.920 --> 0:55:57.759
<v Speaker 1>either die of oxygen depletion or they can be put

0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:00.359
<v Speaker 1>to some good use of food. So while I find

0:56:00.360 --> 0:56:02.319
<v Speaker 1>this story a bit of a bummer and perhaps a

0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:05.719
<v Speaker 1>harbinger of existential threat to the future of fishing in

0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:09.120
<v Speaker 1>a hotter, drier world, I give Colorado Parks and Wildlife props.

0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Instead of ostriching their way through this, they're recognizing what's

0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:15.520
<v Speaker 1>going on and doing their best to let the public

0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:18.600
<v Speaker 1>harvest as much of this resource as possible. And not

0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:21.399
<v Speaker 1>only that, once water levels and lakes get so low

0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:24.400
<v Speaker 1>that fishing becomes unsafe, right because like water, solo is

0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:26.239
<v Speaker 1>just like this mud flat. You can't let people go

0:56:26.280 --> 0:56:29.880
<v Speaker 1>out there. CPW will close public access, but they go

0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:33.160
<v Speaker 1>in and try to shock out whatever fish are remaining

0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:36.840
<v Speaker 1>and then relocate them to healthier systems. This isn't the

0:56:36.880 --> 0:56:40.080
<v Speaker 1>first time CPW has had to declare emergency salvages. In

0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:43.640
<v Speaker 1>two thousand twelve, Colorado experienced a similar drought the drains

0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:46.440
<v Speaker 1>some of the same reservoirs, but through restocking and management,

0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:48.640
<v Speaker 1>many of those fisheries were back in great shape by

0:56:49.880 --> 0:56:51.880
<v Speaker 1>This is one of those stories that forces you to

0:56:51.880 --> 0:56:54.799
<v Speaker 1>think about scale in a few different ways. In the

0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:57.640
<v Speaker 1>short short term, anglers are stoked, they get to go

0:56:57.680 --> 0:56:59.920
<v Speaker 1>fill their freezers. It's like that free for all pool

0:57:00.000 --> 0:57:04.360
<v Speaker 1>seen in Caddyshack. In the slightly longer term, they're gonna

0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:06.600
<v Speaker 1>lose some of their local fisheries, at least for a while.

0:57:07.080 --> 0:57:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Those fisheries will probably bounce back in a few years.

0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:12.880
<v Speaker 1>What happens after that will be dictated by temperature and

0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:16.520
<v Speaker 1>precipitation and long term forecast of West It's not that great.

0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Final point to consider here, though, is that all of

0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:24.080
<v Speaker 1>these are completely unnatural fisheries. They are man made lakes

0:57:24.200 --> 0:57:27.680
<v Speaker 1>stock with non native fish, manage for entertainment and harvest

0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:30.280
<v Speaker 1>period that's it. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing,

0:57:31.040 --> 0:57:34.680
<v Speaker 1>but it somehow makes this whole situation feel just a

0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:38.920
<v Speaker 1>little less tragic to me knowing that. Yeah, well, and

0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:41.280
<v Speaker 1>a gut reaction to that could be very easily, especially

0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:43.000
<v Speaker 1>if you fish one of these reservoirs. It's like, holy

0:57:43.040 --> 0:57:44.840
<v Speaker 1>sh it, like like the place that I love is

0:57:44.880 --> 0:57:48.000
<v Speaker 1>going away. But I think the overriding message here, even

0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:52.520
<v Speaker 1>though we're all fishermen, um and you said it, reservoirs

0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:57.440
<v Speaker 1>their primary function is not to create fishing and recreation

0:57:57.560 --> 0:58:02.040
<v Speaker 1>opportunities for people. That's not what they're there for. And

0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:05.840
<v Speaker 1>it is completely manufactured. It's a manufactured lake that at

0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:09.120
<v Speaker 1>some point fish were stocked. And that's almost like a

0:58:09.160 --> 0:58:12.720
<v Speaker 1>bonus for the outdoorsman. Lucky you if you have a

0:58:12.760 --> 0:58:15.760
<v Speaker 1>reservoir that fishes really well and you have great access

0:58:15.800 --> 0:58:17.520
<v Speaker 1>to Because where I live, and and this happens in

0:58:17.560 --> 0:58:20.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the country, we have some reservoirs out here.

0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:22.880
<v Speaker 1>You can fish most of them. You cannot most of

0:58:22.920 --> 0:58:26.120
<v Speaker 1>the reservoirs, like connected to the Newark Water Shed that

0:58:26.240 --> 0:58:29.800
<v Speaker 1>that feeds um New York City, like in North Jersey especially,

0:58:30.240 --> 0:58:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh dude, you hear legendary stories of people like you

0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:36.600
<v Speaker 1>know who hop the fence and and fish this reservoir,

0:58:36.680 --> 0:58:40.440
<v Speaker 1>that reservoir, and it's like you know, Midwest smallmouth to

0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the tenth power like nothing else you can find around here.

0:58:42.920 --> 0:58:45.200
<v Speaker 1>But they are all under lock and key. They're they're

0:58:45.240 --> 0:58:49.800
<v Speaker 1>they're protected because that that's New York City's water. You

0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:52.520
<v Speaker 1>can't like they it's it's it's there for a purpose.

0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:58.000
<v Speaker 1>So um I I I understand again that gut reaction

0:58:58.040 --> 0:59:01.040
<v Speaker 1>of like, that's horrible to lose a fishery, but that's

0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:05.360
<v Speaker 1>what these reservoirs are there for first and foremost, you know, Yeah, yeah,

0:59:05.400 --> 0:59:07.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it's a little different in certain like

0:59:07.840 --> 0:59:09.960
<v Speaker 1>when you're talking about water management out west, and we

0:59:09.960 --> 0:59:11.960
<v Speaker 1>can't get into this because we don't time, but there's

0:59:12.000 --> 0:59:14.520
<v Speaker 1>a little there's some some issues there in terms of

0:59:14.520 --> 0:59:16.760
<v Speaker 1>your gets having all the power. But in this particular case,

0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:18.200
<v Speaker 1>when we're talking about the fish that live in the

0:59:18.240 --> 0:59:21.160
<v Speaker 1>reservoirs that aren't native there, they were just really put

0:59:21.160 --> 0:59:24.600
<v Speaker 1>and take fisheries that that's a different story than the

0:59:24.880 --> 0:59:28.280
<v Speaker 1>perhaps native fish that lived downstream of those. Sure, anyway,

0:59:28.640 --> 0:59:32.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot to you on there, Phil, Let's uh I

0:59:32.680 --> 0:59:35.200
<v Speaker 1>pandered to you last week with the Pokemon story, and

0:59:35.200 --> 0:59:36.920
<v Speaker 1>that didn't work. So this week I went a completely

0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:40.560
<v Speaker 1>different direction, and uh, I expect some goods gonna come

0:59:40.600 --> 0:59:42.880
<v Speaker 1>out of it. Buddy, I thought you had the shoeing

0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:45.760
<v Speaker 1>with Pokemon too, but you did not. And now it's

0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:48.600
<v Speaker 1>time to see who swayed the all powerful Phil this week.

0:59:48.840 --> 0:59:50.720
<v Speaker 1>And as soon as he's done weighing in, join us

0:59:50.720 --> 0:59:52.960
<v Speaker 1>for an extremely awkward family dinner and a poke in

0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:55.520
<v Speaker 1>the eye with a sharp object in our sale bin

0:59:55.640 --> 1:00:03.320
<v Speaker 1>segment devoted to idiotic online classified ads. M. I have

1:00:03.480 --> 1:00:05.600
<v Speaker 1>to be honest. This week is a little tough for me.

1:00:06.440 --> 1:00:09.760
<v Speaker 1>I keep hearing you guys talking about Oh well, I

1:00:09.880 --> 1:00:12.720
<v Speaker 1>chose this story because I think Phil would like it. Oh,

1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Phil likes video games, Phil likes Pokemon. Well, am I

1:00:20.000 --> 1:00:26.120
<v Speaker 1>some lab rat to be to be prodded with a stick? Oh?

1:00:26.160 --> 1:00:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Which which stimuli? Does? He respond? Tokay, no, No, I

1:00:31.800 --> 1:00:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I am a person. I am a human being with

1:00:35.280 --> 1:00:41.360
<v Speaker 1>an evolved brain. I will not be objectified and looked

1:00:41.360 --> 1:00:48.280
<v Speaker 1>down upon like this anyway. Joe Sirmellie is the winner

1:00:48.320 --> 1:00:51.360
<v Speaker 1>this week because I like the fish flying through the air.

1:00:52.000 --> 1:00:57.120
<v Speaker 1>That was funny, but Why did you put the hand

1:00:57.200 --> 1:00:59.040
<v Speaker 1>to pave You don't know what I'm getting, man, You

1:00:59.320 --> 1:01:02.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't have to be to hurtful with me so angry?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? This week on the sale band, I am

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<v Speaker 1>running a two for a two for one special buy

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<v Speaker 1>one get one free because I've got two items here

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<v Speaker 1>that are definitely worth mentioned, but not because of what

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<v Speaker 1>they are, just because of the descriptions. And we've got

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<v Speaker 1>two terrific instances here of t m I within a

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<v Speaker 1>sale post and I just love them. Okay, so I

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<v Speaker 1>love I love a bargain for one to love a

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<v Speaker 1>bargain for me. The first one I was tipped off

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<v Speaker 1>to by my buddy John Fedorca, so shout out to him,

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<v Speaker 1>who sent me a link to a Facebook marketplace item

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<v Speaker 1>in old Bridge, New Jersey. And what we have is

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<v Speaker 1>just a surf fishing combo. The title is just Tica

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<v Speaker 1>ten ft six two or best offer, and Dud's got

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<v Speaker 1>an old pen bait runner on it, which I assume

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<v Speaker 1>is part of the deal. We wouldn't know, though, because

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<v Speaker 1>the description simply reads two hundred oh bi oh. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't fish anymore because my dad is a jerk. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's that. I feel like this means a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a marketing one on one class for the For

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<v Speaker 1>the life of me, I can't figure out why you

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<v Speaker 1>felt the need to include that information the sale description.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, well, I don't want people to think that

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<v Speaker 1>there's something wrong with the item, so I tell my father.

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<v Speaker 1>I just hope it's all resolved by Thanksgiving, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>or considering Thanksgiving is a huge striper weekend. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Dan'll show up talking about the blitz he fished all morning,

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<v Speaker 1>like sleeping beauty over here, couldn't get his ass up again,

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<v Speaker 1>like it could be really ugly. He's like, you know what, Dad,

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<v Speaker 1>I just sold that present you gave me on Craig's List.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's one rod for sale because Dad is a jerk.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, we're gonna move on here to double our

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<v Speaker 1>pleasure today. This one is on Facebook marketplace in Rumsen,

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<v Speaker 1>Rhode Island, and the out of the post is giant

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<v Speaker 1>fish one and we have a very nice sailfish replica.

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<v Speaker 1>And tell you what, a hundred bucks ain't bad. A

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<v Speaker 1>hundred bucks for a big sailfish like that not bad

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<v Speaker 1>if it was around the corner. I'm looking at this photo.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like a decent mount It looks like a

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<v Speaker 1>decent fish to catch you guys up, I only sent

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<v Speaker 1>Miles the photo of this. I do not have the description.

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<v Speaker 1>You do not know why it's funny yet. However, in

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<v Speaker 1>the photo right there two chairs under the sailfish, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to sit in either of them, your

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<v Speaker 1>head would hit the sailfish. And the ceiling is I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, maybe five inches away from the highest point

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<v Speaker 1>of the dorsal fin. Uh. And so to my eye,

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<v Speaker 1>if I were a batman, I'm gonna I'm gonna guess

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<v Speaker 1>the sailfish is hanging in a mobile home, okay. And

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<v Speaker 1>my suspicion is bolstered by this description. If you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have an eight foot sailfish hanging in your home, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what you're missing. We normally keep tennis ball

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<v Speaker 1>on its bill to avoid serious eye injuries. So wherever

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<v Speaker 1>this is hanging, there's not really enough room for it

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<v Speaker 1>to be hanging. And I could not help myself with

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<v Speaker 1>this one, and I pined the cellar and I just said, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>does the tennis ball come with the fish? I'm interested,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've got serious safety concerns. And she wrote me

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<v Speaker 1>back and just said, I will gladly have fixed the

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<v Speaker 1>tennis ball to assuage any fears. Would you prefer a

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<v Speaker 1>tennis ball with a squeaker? So she gave me a

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<v Speaker 1>little like it would have been a tennis ball with

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<v Speaker 1>a squeaker asshole, like would have made it even funnier.

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<v Speaker 1>But she so she gave me a little ship back.

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<v Speaker 1>So good for her. But like, if you're so proud

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<v Speaker 1>of your sailfish mount, but it's hanging in a place

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<v Speaker 1>where like it could take your eye out, I just

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's very fun. I feel like there's a domestic

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<v Speaker 1>dispute behind this one. And I don't mean in the

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<v Speaker 1>violent or terrible way. I mean like in a we

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<v Speaker 1>have a small home and you brought this into it

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<v Speaker 1>and someone lost an eye or nearly did, it's got

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<v Speaker 1>to go. It's it is highly likely because my home

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<v Speaker 1>is not that small, and I'm looking at an eight

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<v Speaker 1>foot tarp in on my wall that has been around

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<v Speaker 1>for twelve years now and is still a domestic dispute,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it's in my office. If my wife had

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<v Speaker 1>her way, that would have never been in the home.

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<v Speaker 1>So very highly likely. But that is your two for

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<v Speaker 1>for this week two for one special. Remember we need

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<v Speaker 1>your help in finding awesome sale in items. You guys

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<v Speaker 1>have been doing a killer job of sending those in

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<v Speaker 1>and tipping us off. Keep those coming to bent at

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<v Speaker 1>the meat eater dot com. I just kind of want

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<v Speaker 1>to reach out and do an intervention with that guy

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<v Speaker 1>who hates his dad, Like, maybe maybe invite him down

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<v Speaker 1>to the beach, tossed out some surf frauds, moderate a

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<v Speaker 1>little toss the old pigskin around, you know, model healthy communication,

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<v Speaker 1>use use fishing to bring families together. It could be

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<v Speaker 1>like the anti politics, And I know you want to

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<v Speaker 1>think that's possible, but really probably isn't man, it probably is.

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<v Speaker 1>Side note though, I actually used to own the exact

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<v Speaker 1>rod that he's selling, and it's a total piece of ship.

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<v Speaker 1>The particular ticka he's selling was in my high school

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<v Speaker 1>senior age price range, like it's sixty bucks, but somehow

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<v Speaker 1>it still came with a lifetime warranty and five times

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<v Speaker 1>in two years I sent it back snapped for no particular.

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<v Speaker 1>It would just it would just randomly break, like mid

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<v Speaker 1>fling just be throwing a plug and it would just snap.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, dude, I mean that's how you learn. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how you come to appreciate good gear and learn what

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid. But it sucks having to do it through,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, repeated frustrating trial and error like that. That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>That that that is a frustrating part about fishing. But

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<v Speaker 1>one way to help yourself out in that process, at

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<v Speaker 1>least when it comes to lures, flies and bits, is

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to our weekly end of the line segment,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, we're never wrong, never. This week, Joe

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna tell you about a fly that an idiot

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<v Speaker 1>can tie, but really smart fish will eat. Well, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not loud enough. The Flashtail Whistler was designed by legendary

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<v Speaker 1>fly angler, writer and photographer Dan Blanton in the late

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties early nineteen seventies time frame. Now, just to

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<v Speaker 1>rattle off a few of Blanton's achievements, he received the

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<v Speaker 1>Federation of Fly Fisher's Lifetime Membership Award for outstanding achievements

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<v Speaker 1>in fly fishing in the Silver King Award for contributions

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<v Speaker 1>in saltwater fly fishing in and in two thousand nine,

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<v Speaker 1>he was inducted into the Catskill Fly Fishing Center and

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<v Speaker 1>Museum Hall of Fame. Now, according to the Internet, where

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<v Speaker 1>everything is true. Blanton originally designed the whistler to target

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<v Speaker 1>stripe bass in the San Francisco Bay area, and the

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<v Speaker 1>goal was to create a fly that mimicked a popular

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<v Speaker 1>bucktail jig in the water. To achieve this, Blanton used

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<v Speaker 1>a short shank hook which allowed all the bucktail extended

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<v Speaker 1>past the bend to have a more fluid action in

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<v Speaker 1>the water, and he also added lead wraps to the

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<v Speaker 1>hook so the fly would fall nose down while the

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<v Speaker 1>buoyant bucktail trapped air and lifted the tail, further enhancing

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<v Speaker 1>that bucktail jig style action. As I understand it, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't until just a little bit later that Blanton tweaked

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<v Speaker 1>the pattern extending the trailing flash material well past the

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<v Speaker 1>bucktail that we landed on the most common iteration of

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<v Speaker 1>the flashtail whistler, which is still widely available today. And

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<v Speaker 1>in case you didn't catch it, that also means the

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<v Speaker 1>pattern hasn't really changed again in fifty years now. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>since fly tires loved to tinker and can never leave

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<v Speaker 1>well enough alone, you can find whistlers incorporating modern synthetics

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<v Speaker 1>and tied on a variety of hooks, but today we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the O G whistler. The classic flashtail whistler

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<v Speaker 1>features a set of lighter bead chain eyes, and behind

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<v Speaker 1>them there's a collar of schlapp and feather, usually ray

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<v Speaker 1>to simulate gills, which fades into white or yellow bucktail.

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<v Speaker 1>Down each side you'll find a single grizzly hackle feather,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that long tail of tinsel flash extending way

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<v Speaker 1>out the back. We live in a streamer obsessed world,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes I think the mark of a good streamer

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<v Speaker 1>these days is related to how much skill and effort

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<v Speaker 1>it takes to tie it. But it takes very little

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<v Speaker 1>effort to tie a flash tail whistler. A matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who got themselves a basic tying kit for Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>can knock one of these out. While the whistler is

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<v Speaker 1>hailed first and foremost as a salty pattern for everything

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<v Speaker 1>from tarpin to snook to stripers, I got woke to

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<v Speaker 1>its powers thousands of miles from where any of those

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<v Speaker 1>fish live. It was on a pike trip in Saskatchewan

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<v Speaker 1>on the Cree River system, and the trip was sponsored

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<v Speaker 1>by Cabella's, which meant that every angler was giving one

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<v Speaker 1>of their conveniently prepackaged pike fly sets. Now, like many

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<v Speaker 1>serious anglers, I scoffed at the US right, like, thanks, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it, but I doubt I'll be dipping into

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<v Speaker 1>this little starter pack of basic deceivers and loosely packed

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<v Speaker 1>hair bugs. Right. I mean, I brought five boxes loaded

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<v Speaker 1>down with eight to ten inch buford head monsters man

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<v Speaker 1>works of art. I've been crafting for months streamers with

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<v Speaker 1>more material than all those kit flies combined. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was around lunchtime on day one that my good buddy

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Romans tied on the flashtail whistler from his courtesy

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<v Speaker 1>Cabella's kit. Not for the record that the gym socks

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<v Speaker 1>we were heaving weren't catching fish. No, No, quite the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd been reefing on high thirty inch pike all morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben just wanted to throw something a little less taxing

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<v Speaker 1>for a while, and within fifteen cast that slender little

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<v Speaker 1>flashtail got wolfed by a forty six inch northern and

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<v Speaker 1>we thought, well, this is a fluke. This can't be right.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was by the end of the trip. Five

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<v Speaker 1>of the six forty plus inch fish we put in

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<v Speaker 1>the net, eight a flashtail whistler. So effective was this

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<v Speaker 1>fly that we even pillaged all the flash tails from

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else's box and all that remained to them by

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<v Speaker 1>the time we got on the seaplane to depart, where

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<v Speaker 1>five short shank hooks with bead chain eyes and tattered

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<v Speaker 1>red slapping collars. Now, I've caught countless pike as well

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<v Speaker 1>as mahi mahi, lake trout, stripers and jack avow on

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<v Speaker 1>flash tails since that trip many years ago, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a pattern that's always with me now on large predator missions,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's not what I tie on first. It

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<v Speaker 1>has proven to be a great insurance policy when all

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<v Speaker 1>those sexy Instagram photo where the meat flies aren't getting

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<v Speaker 1>it done for one reason or another. The flashtail whistler

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<v Speaker 1>is a testament to the idea that if it ain't broke,

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<v Speaker 1>don't fix it, and you need not go broke to

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<v Speaker 1>buy all the materials you need to make a fly

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<v Speaker 1>that appeals to all the big nasties out there. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd tied a lot of whistlers sitting at my weather

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<v Speaker 1>ports in Alaska. They caught I mean, they caught salmon, trout, pike,

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<v Speaker 1>grailing pretty much everything. That's why I'm in that river.

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<v Speaker 1>And best of all, I could bust out a dozen

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<v Speaker 1>of those things after a full day of guide in,

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<v Speaker 1>cleaning boats, doing chores, serving dinner, and washing dishes, even

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<v Speaker 1>when I was exhausted and half drunk, like I could

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<v Speaker 1>just get them done. The half drunk is key, because

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<v Speaker 1>that makes it a guide fly. If you can tie

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<v Speaker 1>the fly pretty ship faced, then then I then I

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<v Speaker 1>consider it a guide fly. Absolutely anyway. That brings us

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<v Speaker 1>to the end of this week's episode. And for those

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<v Speaker 1>of you outlining a book report for English class, Miles

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<v Speaker 1>is officially old. Okay. He can also tie a flashtail

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<v Speaker 1>whistler totally drunk. Aristotle was obsessed with eel junk, and

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<v Speaker 1>Australians have some crazy ass names for creeks. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>planning to turn that heady knowledge in for credit, all

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<v Speaker 1>we ask is proper citation. Give us some stars wherever

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<v Speaker 1>you listen to our podcast, holler at some friends, write

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<v Speaker 1>us a review or email. We promise we will not

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<v Speaker 1>grade on grammar or punctuation. No, we will not, and yes,

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<v Speaker 1>keep those emails coming to bent at the meat Eator

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. We read and appreciate every single one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>And remember, if you hook a big one. Don't be

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<v Speaker 1>like Miles. Sacrifice your body for the glory, Sacrifice it

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<v Speaker 1>for the gram.