WEBVTT - S1: E21 – Louisiana Love Triangle, Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>A confrontation between two best friends turned deadly.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a lot of alcoholic went on that night,

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<v Speaker 2>and we believe that's what led to the rage, which

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<v Speaker 2>led to the murder.

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<v Speaker 1>And it all happened in front of the victim's wife.

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<v Speaker 3>This poor woman has just watched her husband be gunned down.

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<v Speaker 1>But even after the shooter's confession, the police believed there

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<v Speaker 1>was more to this story.

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<v Speaker 3>There were just a lot of pieces that did not

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<v Speaker 3>make sense, and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Put the spotlight on the wife of the victim.

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<v Speaker 2>When we first came across her, she was playing the

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<v Speaker 2>grieving widow. But the more you look at this, the

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<v Speaker 2>more you say things aren't adding up.

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<v Speaker 1>We are in Covington, Louisiana today for the conclusion of

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<v Speaker 1>the Louisiana Love Triangle. I'm slung glass and this is

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<v Speaker 1>American Homicide. Just a note that this episode contained some

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<v Speaker 1>graphic content. Please take care while listening.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a saying about law enforcement in general, that's very

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<v Speaker 3>true for dispatchers, where it's a lot of periods of

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<v Speaker 3>boredom interspersed with minutes of panic, and that's very true

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<v Speaker 3>in Covington.

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<v Speaker 1>Heather Jenkins spent two decades working as a dispatcher for

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<v Speaker 1>the Covington Police Department.

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<v Speaker 3>You may not do anything for hours, and then you

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<v Speaker 3>may have, you know, an hour where you don't even

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<v Speaker 3>have time to take a drink of water. There's often

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<v Speaker 3>no rhyme or reason, you know, to how that happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Covington is a suburban community that sits just across the

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<v Speaker 1>Causeway from New Orleans, and based on some of the

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<v Speaker 1>calls Heather receives, it seems even further away than that.

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<v Speaker 3>I received a call about a cow loose in the city,

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<v Speaker 3>and we did have to do a pursuit with that cow,

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<v Speaker 3>and we did get it back home. And we've had

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<v Speaker 3>peacocks loose in the city. We had a squirrel loose

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<v Speaker 3>in a home that actually did a lot of damage.

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<v Speaker 1>Along with loose cows and squirrel break ins. She's responded

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<v Speaker 1>to her fair share of more serious calls, including the

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<v Speaker 1>December two thousand and four murder of Thomas Tally.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Tally had been shot and was laying in the driveway.

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<v Speaker 1>And his wife, the mother to his children, Kendra, witnessed

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Kendra Tally was outside yelling for help, yelling call no

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<v Speaker 3>long one.

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<v Speaker 1>Kendra watched in horror as her husband, Thomas Tally was

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<v Speaker 1>shot and killed by his best friend, Tommy Row. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you even imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>Kendra Tally was just basically there kind of freaking out.

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<v Speaker 3>She was a victim of this horrible crime. Her husband

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<v Speaker 3>had just been shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Kendra was able to identify the shooter as Tommy Row.

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<v Speaker 3>At some point, he did surrender and was taken into custody.

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<v Speaker 1>And that left the question on everyone's mind. Why on

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<v Speaker 1>earth would Thomas's best friend turn on him like that.

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<v Speaker 3>It did not make any sense to me whatsoever, And

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really I don't know if anybody really understood

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<v Speaker 3>what happened in the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, according to Kendra, it all had to do with

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<v Speaker 1>a secret she told Tommy about what her husband did

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<v Speaker 1>to her.

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<v Speaker 3>At some point, she did say that her husband forced

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<v Speaker 3>her into having sex.

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<v Speaker 1>And that pushed Tommy rowl over the edge because you see,

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy had feelings for Kendra and didn't want to see

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<v Speaker 1>her hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>I think she told Tommy that to try and cause

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<v Speaker 3>him to be jealous, and that she got more jealousy

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<v Speaker 3>than she expected and couldn't talking out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy Row's jealousy turned into rage. As the sun was

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<v Speaker 1>about to come up that morning, Tommy drove Kendra back

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<v Speaker 1>to her.

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<v Speaker 3>Home, shots were fired, and mister Talley was dead almost immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>Detective searched Tommy Raw's house and found pictures of Kendra

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<v Speaker 1>and her son, as well as a suicide note that

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<v Speaker 1>read like one part confession and another part love letter.

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<v Speaker 1>I also want my mother to know that I love

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<v Speaker 1>her with all my heart and Kendra just as much

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<v Speaker 1>or more. I just hope Kendra can forgive me for

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<v Speaker 1>what I have done. I also hope Kendra will always

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<v Speaker 1>know how much I love her and what she means

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<v Speaker 1>to me. I just can't sit around and watch her

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<v Speaker 1>being hurt all the time. Love always Tommy. So was

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy upset because he shot Thomas or was he upset

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<v Speaker 1>that he fell in love with Kendra? And if he

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't stand to see Kendra hurt all the time, how

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<v Speaker 1>to killing her husband saw that?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I mean, I can only surmise that

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<v Speaker 3>he cared about her.

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<v Speaker 1>And if we didn't already have enough questions, the results

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<v Speaker 1>of Thomas Tally's autopsy presented a few more.

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<v Speaker 3>Two guns were used. It didn't make sense. I just

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<v Speaker 3>felt that that was just such a juxtaposition of all

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<v Speaker 3>the stuff that had gone on.

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy Row was an avid hunter, but did he really

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<v Speaker 1>use two different guns to shoot Kendra's husband?

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<v Speaker 3>And I just thought, this is not how I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like this went down. The story that Kendra had told

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<v Speaker 3>us that morning was not going to be the full story.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Kendra, Tommy locked her in the truck while

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<v Speaker 1>he went and got two guns out of his house.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't really lie somebody in a truck the way

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<v Speaker 3>that she said that he did.

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<v Speaker 1>Kendra said when Tommy Raw fired the first shots at

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas from inside the truck, he pushed her head down

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<v Speaker 1>and shot through the passenger side window. Tommy then exited

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<v Speaker 1>the truck and fired two more bullets.

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<v Speaker 3>There were just so many little pieces that didn't make sense,

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<v Speaker 3>that it didn't mesh, and it had already become pretty

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<v Speaker 3>clear that this wasn't just a single man that had

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<v Speaker 3>a grudge against somebody's husband.

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<v Speaker 1>Four days after her husband's murder, Detective Doug Eyirwood brought

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<v Speaker 1>Kendra back in for questioning. He wanted to know more

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<v Speaker 1>about the strange dynamic between her husband, Thomas, and his

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<v Speaker 1>best friend Tommy Row.

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<v Speaker 2>She cleaned their ages on the rocks. She didn't know Thomas.

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<v Speaker 2>He just wasn't great to be with. He was just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a house husband and wasn't a party type

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<v Speaker 2>of guy. I no, she was a party girl. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he wanted to be the dedicated, calm life at

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<v Speaker 2>home with his wife and child and started to progress

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<v Speaker 2>in life as a married couple.

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<v Speaker 1>Kendra then talked herself into trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>She was telling me about how her husband that day

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<v Speaker 2>that had oral surgery, and in orders to help him,

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<v Speaker 2>she thought the best thing to do was to go

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<v Speaker 2>to the French Quarter with a boyfriend that night.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes you heard that right. Kendra called Tommy Raw her boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>So Tommy Raw wasn't just her husband's best friend who

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<v Speaker 1>happened to be obsessed with her. The two were actually

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<v Speaker 1>having an affair.

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<v Speaker 2>There was this grand or they put together of that

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<v Speaker 2>being some sort of love between them. It was just

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<v Speaker 2>this incredible relationship.

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<v Speaker 4>He asked me.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a bunch of rubbish.

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<v Speaker 1>Knowing Tommy and Kendra were having an affair certainly changed

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<v Speaker 1>the way to detectives viewed the night of the murder.

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<v Speaker 2>So it shows you what kind of a class person

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<v Speaker 2>she is, and that immediately had my suspicions.

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<v Speaker 1>The detective kept questioning Kendra, hoping to find the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of an interview with a police officer isn't like

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<v Speaker 2>you see on TV. It's not the good cup Bank cup.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all TV stuff. The most successful interviews you sit down,

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<v Speaker 2>you talk with somebody and eventually you sort of getting

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<v Speaker 2>them to open up and then you get to the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>But he didn't feel that happening with Kendra. She kept

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<v Speaker 1>changing her story and sometimes would answer questions with things

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<v Speaker 1>she said she read in the newspaper or saw on

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<v Speaker 1>the news.

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<v Speaker 2>It was obvious that she was just not knowing what

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<v Speaker 2>to say, and she was lost for words because it's

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<v Speaker 2>difficult to put a lie on top of the lie,

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<v Speaker 2>because she don't know what lie you've said. If I

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<v Speaker 2>contradict the other lie, which was contradiction of that because

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<v Speaker 2>I made up and I got to cover that one,

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<v Speaker 2>it just goes on and on. It's nobles, It's a

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<v Speaker 2>domino effect. It just gets worse and worse.

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<v Speaker 4>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though a couple of times her attorney sort of

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<v Speaker 2>looked at her and CURIATI WHI to ask her a

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<v Speaker 2>question because he was dying to find out in the

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<v Speaker 2>answer to some of these questions too, and they just

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<v Speaker 2>weren't forthcoming, they weren't believable. At the end of the interview,

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<v Speaker 2>they said, Okay, we'll cooperate to do you need any more,

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<v Speaker 2>you can contact us. What we're going to leave now

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, you, as the attorney may leade she

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<v Speaker 2>may not.

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<v Speaker 1>The detectives believed they had enough evidence that just hours

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<v Speaker 1>before her husband's funeral, they arrested Kendra and charged her

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<v Speaker 1>with second degree murder. Instead of grieving her husband's death graveside,

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<v Speaker 1>she'd be arrested, booked, and behind bars by the afternoon.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's what makes the whole thing even more weird.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Thomas's brother, Mark Tally.

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<v Speaker 6>And if she did what she did, she's a good

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<v Speaker 6>actress because I did not see her that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark was completely floored. Then not only was Kendra having

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<v Speaker 1>an affair, but that she could be involved in his.

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<v Speaker 6>No, they didn't have their problems, but they seem genuinely.

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<v Speaker 5>Happy with each other.

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<v Speaker 6>I just know she's not going to go describe a

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<v Speaker 6>gun and shoot somebody.

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<v Speaker 5>She has to be persuaded into doing that.

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<v Speaker 6>That's again my opinion, I just think she got caught

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<v Speaker 6>up in something that was way over her head.

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy Raw didn't talk after his arrest, but his mother did.

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<v Speaker 1>She told reporters that Kendra visited Tommy nearly every day

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<v Speaker 1>and that the two were very much in love. She

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<v Speaker 1>said that you acted like a family, and even when

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas shopping together just before the murder.

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<v Speaker 6>How they pulled this off is the one thing that

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<v Speaker 6>amazes name. How could they do this with all the

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<v Speaker 6>people that they know around and seeing around town?

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<v Speaker 4>How I could?

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<v Speaker 5>That's one thing I can't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Kendraw's mother also claimed that Hendra wanted out of her

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<v Speaker 1>marriage and had planned on leaving her husband to be

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<v Speaker 1>with Tommy.

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<v Speaker 5>The behind the scenes stuff that I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm sure there was a lot of arguments and disagreements

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<v Speaker 6>like any other family.

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<v Speaker 4>But from what I.

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<v Speaker 5>Saw, I think Kendred truly loved Thomas.

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<v Speaker 6>The way I look at it is and it's not

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<v Speaker 6>knocking her in any way, more of a fourteen year

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<v Speaker 6>old than a twenty five year old body, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>kind of defiant.

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<v Speaker 1>With Kendra's arrest just hours before Thomas's funeral, can you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine how uncomfortable his memorial service had to be.

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<v Speaker 5>It was almost like family feud.

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<v Speaker 6>You had Kendra's family sitting on one side and the

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<v Speaker 6>other on the other. They actually had to have a

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<v Speaker 6>security detail.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, come on, this is about Thomas.

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<v Speaker 6>If you guys are gonna fight, I'm gonna leave because

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not gonna.

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<v Speaker 4>Deal with this.

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<v Speaker 1>Thankfully, everyone behaved themselves. The real battle would take place

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<v Speaker 1>years later in the courtroom. Nearly three years after Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>Talley was gunned down in front of his home, his

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<v Speaker 1>best friend Tommy Row went on trial for his murder,

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<v Speaker 1>and from the moment he entered the courtroom, assistant Da

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Hofstadt feared the worst.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, how Tommy look when he got arrested with just

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<v Speaker 7>Sember elevens was completely different. Now he looked when he

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<v Speaker 7>got the trial. He's six foot two, two hundred pounds

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<v Speaker 7>and he came hobbling in on the crotches. It shaved

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<v Speaker 7>real well. He looked real pretty as he could.

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<v Speaker 1>They always seem to do this, come into court with

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<v Speaker 1>an ailment that seems to say feel sorry for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm weak. There's no way I could have done this.

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<v Speaker 1>Would jurors believe this? Fee who struggled to get around

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<v Speaker 1>the court room on crutches, could be capable of killing

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<v Speaker 1>his best friend.

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<v Speaker 4>Those things sticking him mind.

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<v Speaker 7>But I do know absolutely had Tommy Raoul killed a

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<v Speaker 7>shot mister Twing, and I do.

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<v Speaker 4>Know that it was as cold blood as you're fit

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<v Speaker 4>in that.

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<v Speaker 1>In Louisiana, there are three categories of murder, first degree,

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<v Speaker 1>second degree, and manslaughter. Originally, prosecutors charged Tommy Rown with

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<v Speaker 1>first degree murder, which carried the death penalty. The lower

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<v Speaker 1>the charges to second degree, meaning Tommy faced life in prison,

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<v Speaker 1>but Tommy's lawyer had aimed even lower.

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<v Speaker 4>They were gone for manslaughter.

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<v Speaker 1>If Tommy Rown was going to convince the jury, he'd

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<v Speaker 1>finally have to share his version of what happened the

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<v Speaker 1>night of the.

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<v Speaker 7>Murder, so he pretty much had the testify.

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<v Speaker 1>First. He testified about his relationship with Thomas Tally. He

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<v Speaker 1>said Thomas was one of his best friends. They barbecue,

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<v Speaker 1>played darts, lid fireworks, and drank beer together.

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<v Speaker 7>He was crying and this crying and kids are flowing

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<v Speaker 7>down his face.

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy said he met Kendra when she was a teenager,

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<v Speaker 1>although Tommy was twelve years older than her. He said

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<v Speaker 1>he eventually developed feelings for her, but Kendra went up

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<v Speaker 1>marrying his best friend, Thomas Tally. But about a year

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<v Speaker 1>before Thomas's murder, Kendra and Tommy started having an affair.

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<v Speaker 7>Tommy and her had had a long term relationship. I

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<v Speaker 7>think he met her when she was sixteen. They had

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<v Speaker 7>had things were going on. She's running around in the husband.

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<v Speaker 1>But the most explosive testimony was about how his and

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<v Speaker 1>Kendra's evening on Bourbon Street ended in murder.

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<v Speaker 7>Kendrick went off with Tommy Rale and two other people

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<v Speaker 7>in one New Orleans drank some beer, took some math,

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<v Speaker 7>and some marijuana. During the night, Thomas Talley kept calling

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<v Speaker 7>his wife on phone on fire when she was coming

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<v Speaker 7>home and where she was.

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<v Speaker 4>According to Kendre, he had been an asshole.

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<v Speaker 7>Apparently three o'clock in the morning, they go to the

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<v Speaker 7>waffle house, and at the waffle house.

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<v Speaker 4>Kendra said that her husband had raped her.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when Tommy said he went into a wage

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<v Speaker 1>and left the restaurant. His version of what happened next

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<v Speaker 1>is very different than what Kendra told the police.

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<v Speaker 7>At this point in time, the story is diverge. His

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<v Speaker 7>story was that they never went back to his house,

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<v Speaker 7>that he always carried two guns in his vehicle, one

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<v Speaker 7>on his side and one on the other side.

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy Rawle told the court that he drove to Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>and Kendra's home and when they arrived, it was Kendra

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<v Speaker 1>who made the first move. He said that Kendra honked

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<v Speaker 1>the horn and that made Thomas Tally walk outside. He

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<v Speaker 1>was barefoot, wearing sweatpants and a T shirt.

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<v Speaker 7>He said they got there and that she was sitting

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<v Speaker 7>on the console right next to her, and she start

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<v Speaker 7>as shooting. He was shocked that Kendra had shot through

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<v Speaker 7>the window. He had no idea shot in a shoot

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<v Speaker 7>and when she was shooting through the window, he was

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<v Speaker 7>immediately getting out the call with his forty five and

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<v Speaker 7>went and shot Miss Tally twice. And who he described

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<v Speaker 7>as a very good friend. I don't know what he

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<v Speaker 7>did with his enemies, but he described him as a

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<v Speaker 7>good friend. He did a lot of stuff together.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a completely different story than Kendra's. If

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<v Speaker 1>you remember, Kendra told detectives it was Thomas who fired

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<v Speaker 1>first from inside the truck.

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<v Speaker 7>She says that Tommy pushed her head down and shot

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<v Speaker 7>through the window glass one everywhere. Then she says that

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<v Speaker 7>Tommy got out the car and shot he husband two

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<v Speaker 7>more times.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the only thing both sides agreed on.

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<v Speaker 4>Which other story is true.

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<v Speaker 7>We know that Tommy shot him in the head twice.

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy Roll only admitted to firing the final two shots

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<v Speaker 1>at Thomas, and he said it all stemmed from what

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<v Speaker 1>Kendra told him about her husband sexually assaulting her.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, he is shot him, but he had shot him

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<v Speaker 7>because he was basically out of control. But he did

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<v Speaker 7>it because he was defending the honor of his girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>And during cross examination, the prosecutor asked Tommy to show

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<v Speaker 1>the jury how he shot Thomas.

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<v Speaker 7>Tally, I had co console lay on the floor and

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<v Speaker 7>Tommy got off the stand, stood over him and showed

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<v Speaker 7>the jury exactly how he shot him in the head.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was Tommy Rowe on his crutches, looking all frail. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he reenacted how he killed his best friend.

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<v Speaker 7>On cross examination, I always ask questions that you got a.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes or no.

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecutor then asked Tommy if he cried while having

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<v Speaker 1>sex with his best friend's wife. Tommy didn't answer.

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<v Speaker 7>And I thought asking him whether he was crying while

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<v Speaker 7>he was shooting him, and he was crying when he

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<v Speaker 7>was getting ready to have a shootout with the police.

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<v Speaker 4>His tears just went away and.

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<v Speaker 7>He just had this like cold expression on his face,

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<v Speaker 7>and he kept that throughout the cross examination.

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecutor wanted the jury to know that Tommy Row

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<v Speaker 1>resorted to murdering his best friend when there were a

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<v Speaker 1>million other things he could and should have done if

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<v Speaker 1>his ultimate goal was to be with Kendra.

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<v Speaker 7>The last question I asked him is how much is

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<v Speaker 7>forty five its cost? And he said between cloud and

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<v Speaker 7>fifteen dollars. I said that's cheap and hiring a lawyer, huh?

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<v Speaker 4>He said, yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>In his closing arguments, Tommy's lawyer admitted that yes, his

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<v Speaker 1>client did shoot Thomas Talley twice, but he said the

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<v Speaker 1>real culprit wasn't Tommy Row. It was Tommy's love for Kendra.

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<v Speaker 1>He claimed it was a crime of passion because Tommy

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<v Speaker 1>was obsessed with Kendra and she manipulated Tommy. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>when a woman knows that a man has been obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with her for years and years and she tells him

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<v Speaker 1>someone violently, repeatedly assaulted her, what did she expect to happen?

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<v Speaker 7>Mrdicase, are the things that sticking in mind because there's

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<v Speaker 7>always a victim.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Hofstad prosecuted the case against Tommy Row.

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<v Speaker 7>Mister Tally was shot and we had to speak up

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<v Speaker 7>for him, wait to make sure he got justice. But

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<v Speaker 7>it was an unusual case. Him shooting twice forty five

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<v Speaker 7>is uncontested. He admitted that.

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<v Speaker 1>But Tommy's lawyer argued it was a crime of passion

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore it was manslaughter, not murder in the second degree,

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<v Speaker 1>and that it was all a result of Kendra Tally

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<v Speaker 1>telling Tommy that her husband, the father of her child,

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<v Speaker 1>had sexually assaulted her. Neither the defense nor the prosecution

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<v Speaker 1>called Kendra to testify.

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<v Speaker 7>They were going for manslaughter and there was no reason

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<v Speaker 7>I would want to put her in the stand. Why

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<v Speaker 7>put somebody understand that you don't believe who're this's.

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<v Speaker 1>Nd The case against Tommy Row went to the jury

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<v Speaker 1>and forty five minutes later they returned with a verdict.

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<v Speaker 1>They found him guilty of second degree murder. At his sentencing,

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<v Speaker 1>the judge called it the most senseless crime he had

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<v Speaker 1>come across during his nine years on the bench. He

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<v Speaker 1>sentenced Tommy Row to life in prison and told him,

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<v Speaker 1>you have made your own bed. Now you get to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep in it, although it won't be comfortable. Three years later,

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<v Speaker 1>and nearly six years after Thomas Talley was shot, Kendra

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<v Speaker 1>Talley went on trial for her role in her husband's murder.

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<v Speaker 7>She's charge of the principal of the Myrtle and a

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<v Speaker 7>principal in Louisiana means that if you're involved in a

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<v Speaker 7>planning and you're just as involved as a person who

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<v Speaker 7>actually pulls the trigger, you're guilty.

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<v Speaker 4>The best example is an on robbery.

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<v Speaker 7>They might have one guy planning on robbery, another guy

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<v Speaker 7>at the getaway driver, and the third guy goes into

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<v Speaker 7>the bank.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, they're all equally guilty.

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<v Speaker 7>Even though one guy won in a bank, one guy

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<v Speaker 7>sit in a car, guys sitting his house.

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<v Speaker 1>And remember when this all began, Kendra was seen as

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<v Speaker 1>a victim.

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<v Speaker 7>I looked at the police board, and everything on the

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<v Speaker 7>police boardinated no sense at all. I think everybody was

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<v Speaker 7>suspiciously of Kendre once they started.

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<v Speaker 4>Looking at it.

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<v Speaker 1>But as the trial kicked off, prosecutors faced an uphill

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<v Speaker 1>battle because Tommy Row refused to testify.

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<v Speaker 7>Tommy Raw was not going to come down and testify

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<v Speaker 7>to what he testified a trial, So all we had

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<v Speaker 7>at that point in time was her story and we

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<v Speaker 7>were going to have Tommy to come down were futed.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a huge hurdle for prosecutors, but they plowed forward.

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<v Speaker 1>On the first day of the trial, both sides presented

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<v Speaker 1>their opening statements before lunch. Afterwards, the two sets of

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers informed the judge of something no one in the

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<v Speaker 1>courtroom had expected. They had struck a plea deal.

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<v Speaker 7>I felt at that time still do that she was

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<v Speaker 7>involved in the murder. But it doesn't matter what I think.

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<v Speaker 7>It matters whether they have evidence. And let's just say

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<v Speaker 7>that even in this conservative jurisdiction, which we get at

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<v Speaker 7>ninety conviction, very probably on the jury trials, we could

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<v Speaker 7>have convicted her. That's not the right thing to do.

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<v Speaker 7>You can't prosecute somebody because you think they did it.

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<v Speaker 7>You need evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Without enough compelling evidence, it seems like neither side wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to gamble by leaving Kendra's fate up to a jury,

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<v Speaker 1>so they struck a deal. In her plea deal, Kendra

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<v Speaker 1>admitted to one count of possession of meth and one

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<v Speaker 1>count of manslaughter. A manslaughter charge carried up to forty

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<v Speaker 1>years in prison.

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<v Speaker 7>All the time you get please reports where you say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I think they did that. Well, thing in the world

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<v Speaker 7>is for somebody who prosecuted somebody because they think they

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<v Speaker 7>did that, And we didn't go down that road.

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<v Speaker 1>And when it came time for sentencing, the judge gave

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<v Speaker 1>Kendra just ten years for a manslaughter and five years

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<v Speaker 1>for the drug charge. Even though she faced far more

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<v Speaker 1>time in prison. Her plea deal with prosecutors kept her

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<v Speaker 1>sentence at ten years. Kendra was all smiles when the

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<v Speaker 1>judge ruled that she could serve both sentences concurrently.

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<v Speaker 2>Was the wisest thing she did was to take that

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<v Speaker 2>plea deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Doug Arrowood worked the case, and.

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<v Speaker 2>She knew that that was probably the best chance to

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<v Speaker 2>get through this, the quickest way to do the least

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<v Speaker 2>time to have to suffer the least from her actions.

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<v Speaker 4>I wish, knowing.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'd do, that we had not taken the plea

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<v Speaker 2>deal and gone for it. But it's not up to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's up to the family. And you also go to

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<v Speaker 2>think about the sun as well, even though he was

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<v Speaker 2>an infintent time, they'll take the w into account and

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<v Speaker 2>they were very satisfied with a ten year sentence, So

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<v Speaker 2>that's what counts, and that's.

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<v Speaker 4>What we went with.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we would prefetzy Kendra get twenty years as supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to tend. But is there that chance that she could

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<v Speaker 2>have walked out of the courtroom that day.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and they didn't want to see the hat.

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<v Speaker 1>When Kendra took the plea deal, she was just thirty

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<v Speaker 1>years old. She told her family in the courtroom that

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<v Speaker 1>she'd still have a life when she's released from prison.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the trial was fair, although I think Kendra

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<v Speaker 6>got off somewhat easy.

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<v Speaker 1>The victim's brother, Mark Towley, struggled with Kendra's plea deal,

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<v Speaker 1>and from what he learned in the courtroom, Kendra shot first.

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<v Speaker 6>She shot first through the window of the pickup truck.

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<v Speaker 6>To me, that's not man slaughtered, that's premeditated murder.

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<v Speaker 5>But I wasn't there, so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know all the facts.

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<v Speaker 6>So I think she basically got away with more than

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<v Speaker 6>she should have.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like.

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<v Speaker 6>The universe has a way of handling with, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>people like that, And to me, if there is punishment,

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<v Speaker 6>they'll get it at some point or another. I do

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<v Speaker 6>forgive him and Kendra, but I will never forget it.

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<v Speaker 5>I just cope with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Kendra became a free woman in twenty thirteen after serving

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<v Speaker 1>most of her ten year sentence. She has since remarried

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<v Speaker 1>and moved to Arkansas. She refused our request for comment.

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<v Speaker 6>I still see Kendra as the bubbly, happy, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>cheerful person.

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<v Speaker 5>I think she's a good person, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think she's evil.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, and was shocked that it happened, and especially that Kendra

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<v Speaker 6>was a part of it. That was probably the hardest

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<v Speaker 6>part for me, because in my mind, she had to

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<v Speaker 6>be persuaded to do this or be incapacitated.

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<v Speaker 5>That's just my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Era Wood disagrees.

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<v Speaker 2>You got two guns, you got two people. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they both decided to go and do this. She didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to talk him into anything. He didn't have to

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<v Speaker 2>talk her into anything. They were both intent on the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing. I think they wanted to be together and

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted to get rid of the obstacle. It was

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<v Speaker 2>in their way, So let's get rid of the husband.

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<v Speaker 1>But the question is why why killed Thomas Tally? Only

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<v Speaker 1>Kendra and Tommy Rowell have the answer to that, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're both sticking to their respective stories.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing I regret and I wish I had

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<v Speaker 2>gotten was a confession from her. If I had a

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<v Speaker 2>confession from her, that's the slam duck was at out

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<v Speaker 2>in court, out done. We're probably gone away for the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of your life. I wish I'd have had.

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<v Speaker 1>That, even without a confession from Kendra. He believes Tommy

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<v Speaker 1>Row's version of what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>With the evidence of the scene, My theory was that

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<v Speaker 2>she shot through the window when he came out of

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<v Speaker 2>the house, and rowl got out, went around and finished

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<v Speaker 2>him off on the drive point blank. We knew we

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<v Speaker 2>had the right theory behind it, but we couldn't make

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<v Speaker 2>him testify the her trot. As we couldn't make him testify,

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<v Speaker 2>we couldn't produce him as a witness, so we couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>present what he had presented in court previously.

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<v Speaker 1>Today, Tommy Row remains in a Baton Rouge prison serving

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<v Speaker 1>out his life sentence. Kendra got off much easier.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the result I wanted, but it's next best.

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<v Speaker 7>Though.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a tragedy when you have these things to happen,

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<v Speaker 2>but at the same time, some of these things that

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<v Speaker 2>can bring close together and strange stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Lost in all of this is the other victim in

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<v Speaker 1>this story, Thomas and Kendra's son, who was just two

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<v Speaker 1>years old when he lost his father.

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<v Speaker 2>She still has a son. I don't know if she

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<v Speaker 2>sees her son or not. If she does, I hope

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<v Speaker 2>she can be a positive importance in his life if

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<v Speaker 2>it's necessary for her to be a positive inquist by

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<v Speaker 2>being away, and I think she needs to stay away.

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<v Speaker 2>That's up to her, her family, her son, because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure he's almost old enough to make that decision himself now.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have to take everything into account. I think

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<v Speaker 2>justice was served here in the sense of Tommy Rowl.

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<v Speaker 2>He was sentenced to life, and I think he deserved it.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Kendrew did too.

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<v Speaker 1>Next time on American Homicide, after an aspiring preacher winds

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<v Speaker 1>up dead, the community looks inward to understand who was responsible.

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<v Speaker 1>What's discovered is a web of crimes. We're back in

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<v Speaker 1>Louise for part one of Bodies on the Bayou. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Sloane Glass. That's next week on American Homicide. You can

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