WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 062522 The Commercialization of Juneteenth (Part B) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:06.080 And now watching my mic back, you're like that. 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:11.799 Strikes with waters from headquarters behind him. 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:15.280 And now if you're just tuning in the civic side 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.840 for I'm your host Rams's job, you're sometimes excited in 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:25.000 colorful co host qwar. Yes, indeed, plea stick around. Uh, 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:33.000 we got more Juneteenth to discuss. We're talking about how 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:36.600 to how people profit from Juneteenth and really what that 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:42.120 feels like, maybe how to be kinder just account for 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:45.800 the way it might feel the people as you go 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:49.560 about commercializing that brand new holiday for black people. You know, 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:51.199 we've asked for a lot from this country and we 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.840 got Juneteenth, and it seems like people are kind of 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.520 going after Juneteenth, which is fine, which is good. It's goods, 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:00.240 it's good, it's good. We want that. But know we 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.440 have to have conversations about how it feels so that 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:04.320 we help you and that you help us and we 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:07.240 all learn and grow together. That's the point. We're also 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:08.880 going to give you a little bit of history on 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:12.120 June teen, so stick around for that. But first and foremost, 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:17.560 let's discuss Ba Ba Ba Ba become a better Ally. 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:21.520 This one is brought to you by Hip Hop Weekly 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:26.200 Magazine and what we want you to do is diversify 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:30.880 your news feeds on your social media, particularly with your 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:35.560 journalistic articles, things that you see of that nature. This 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:39.280 was really important to our producer, Maggie aka Maggie B. Knowing, 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.640 and so she sent this to us from this comes 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:49.480 from what is this? Meaming reports? Naming reports? Yes, four 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:53.360 ways to increase the diversity of your sources is brilliant, 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:57.680 by the way. Okay, understanding the barriers to increasing source 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.320 diversity is the key to overcoming them. In the wake 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.320 of the police killing of George Floyd and the increased 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:04.520 prominence of the Black Lives Matter movement, editors across the 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.040 country have made a concerted effort to hire more black reporters, 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.880 include more black authoritative voices, and recount the real life 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.320 experiences of people of color impacted by systemic racism. Increasing 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:15.680 the diversity of the sources we use and the people 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:18.160 we feature is the first and most significant step in 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:21.200 creating journalism that paints a more complete picture and is 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:25.640 more relevant to audiences. So let's redefine who is an expert. 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:27.960 If we broaden our definition of who qualifies as an 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.600 expert to include lived experience and people who are impacted 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.200 by the issues. This greatly expands the number and kinds 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:38.320 of voices we can include. Let's lay the groundwork first, 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.680 if possible, try to recruit new sources before you actually 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:43.680 need them in a story. To avoid making a cold 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:49.480 approach when you're on a deadline. Let's explain the process. 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.960 Whether they are real people sharing their experiences or subject 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:56.240 matter experts. Few non media people know what to expect 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.400 when they agree to be interviewed. Part of our job 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.680 as journalists is to playing the processes for a print 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:06.040 media outlet versus an online versus broadcast, and, last, but 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.440 not least, practice cultural competence. The notion of cultural competence 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.280 is not just for white journalists, says inclusive media consultant 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:16.079 Linda Miller, who helped create the Public Insight Network of 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:21.000 Divorce source diverse sources for the American public media. Understanding 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.560 that different communities have different histories and experiences with the 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:27.480 press should be the starting point for every journalist, says Miller. Fortunately, 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.400 many newsrooms have created training and outreach activities to help 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:34.359 staff develop awareness, knowledge and skills necessary to actually listen, engage, 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.800 and build empathy for someone else's experience. The central tenet 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:42.000 of cultural competence, and that is how you can become 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:45.640 a better ally. Get them news feeds cleaned up to 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:48.480 an inner civic cipher. Boom, pay attention to what you 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:53.920 pay attention to. All right, back to Juneteenth. So let's 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.840 start this off with another article. This one comes from 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:04.840 ad Week, And before we read this, I want to say, 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:10.520 we have our feelings here on this show. Other people 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:14.960 have their feelings. We feel like we're right. Otherwise we 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:16.880 wouldn't say that. If we don't feel like we're right, 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:18.599 we just have an opinion. We'll say it's just an opinion, 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:22.239 but we feel like we're right. That doesn't make us right, Okay, 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:26.640 But we do feel like with a platform like this 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.840 that we have to be very careful about how we 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.960 share information and how we empower you with we'll call 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:43.240 it instruction how to approach black culture, the traumas experienced 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:48.280 by black people in the black community, and you know politics. 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:50.120 Of course, we talk about politics on the show quite 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.800 a bit, and just how to be better allies to 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:55.680 each other. I know that's a segment on the show, 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.720 but the whole show is an attempt to create better allies. Right, 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.760 So we're going to say what we believe is true. 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.440 But first we're going to read an article to kind 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:11.400 of frame how some people feel. Shall we we shall 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.800 all right? This again comes from Adweek. Dear marketers, don't 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:19.880 profit from Juneteenth, avoid cultural blunders like Walmart's June teenth 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.680 ice cream, and learn how to celebrate appropriately. All right, 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.120 let me read this. It was only a year ago 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.599 that President Joe Biden signed legislation to establish Juneteenth June 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.320 nineteenth as a new federal holiday commemorating the end of slavery, 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:32.880 and in the span of one year, didn't take long 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.040 for some brands to see Juneteenth as a way to 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:37.720 make money. Dollar Tree began selling head wraps and a 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:41.159 host of June teen party supplies. Social media backlash was swift, 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:45.200 letting the retailer know that they used to that they 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.000 also use the wrong colors. The official colors of the 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.560 June teen flag are red, white, and blue. Dollar Tree 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.520 quietly removed all its social media posts, never issuing apology. 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.919 Walmart's Celebration edition Juneteenth ice cream, along with Jueteenth themed 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.719 party supplies, also sparked huge social media backlash. The label 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.840 on the red velvet flavored ice cream red share and 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:12.280 celebrate African American culture, emancipation and enduring hope. I want 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.200 to make an edit here. The official colors of the 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:17.520 June teen flag are red, white, and blue. I don't 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:19.440 know if that's right ad Week, because I have never 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.680 seen no blue, nor have I seen right white. I've 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.599 seen red, orange, and green, black, I've seen all those colors. 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:37.480 But yeah, now, as we mentioned, profiting from Juneteenth, it 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:42.920 comes with the territory. Other people celebrating June teenth with us, 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.039 it comes with the territory. This is what we want. 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:52.120 You may find on some corner of the internet some 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:57.280 people saying all kinds of nonsense that Juneteenth is only 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:06.520 for black folks, or that you know, people shouldn't make 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:11.520 money off of Juneteenth, or whatever the case is. Again, 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:16.160 our truth is not that we do believe that it 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:20.760 should be approachable, but there's also something to remember while 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:22.640 you're approaching the holiday. And we didn't get to touch 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.040 on this the first half of the show, and I 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.360 want to make a correction too. I did see another 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.560 Juneteenth flag just now by our producer Maggie B Knowing, 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.120 and I remember that one that actually is red, white 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:37.600 and blue. So sure, so there's two flags, I guess. Anyway, 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:57.120 if you do exploit Juneteenth fiscally, especially, I would ask 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:01.160 that you keep in mind that there is a particular 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:10.560 sensitivity of the people that you're approaching. Right. We are 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:16.400 people who have been hurt a lot by this country, 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:24.200 by our local representatives, local politicians. We've been hurt a 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:31.560 lot by our countrymen, just neighbors in our neighborhoods or 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.679 across town. We've been hurt by these people. Of course, 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:39.880 we've been hurt by corporations. Right. We've, as I mentioned, 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.960 oftentimes been last to be considered in terms of how 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:51.080 things might feel, how things might impact us. And that's 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:55.640 if we've been considered at all. Usually we and a 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.520 lot of times in this history, we haven't even entered 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.719 into the conversation. It's just like, well, whatever happens to 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:05.480 them happens, but you know, it's not even worth a conversation. 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:11.959 And so when you're approaching a holiday like Juneteenth, it 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:19.599 can feel a bit more. That doesn't feel good, you know, 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.400 to black folks, it can feel like, ah, that's not 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.160 really I don't know if that's performative or if you 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:29.280 really mean that. Because of the history, you know, because 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:34.880 We've been through so many we'll call them traumas in 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:41.120 our time in this country. So it oftentimes takes a 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:44.480 long time for us to verify something as being authentic. 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.200 It oftentimes takes a long time for us to warm 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:56.440 up to people taking things and changing them to suit 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.839 their interest or their narrative. Takes a long time for 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.240 us to warm up to the idea that someone is 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.439 making money off of something that they didn't really have 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:11.320 to go through. You know, these things feel a little 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:13.800 different for us, Like we all get taken advantage of 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:15.600 being a human being in live long enough, someone will 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.480 take advantage of you. But if you're a black person 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.520 in this country and a white person, you feel like 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.319 a white person takes advantage of you. That feels a 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.839 little different. There are people like, oh, you shouldn't play 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:29.920 the race card. You shouldn't play the race card. It's 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:37.280 almost like, how else do you explain it after centuries 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:42.000 knowing that that's been the truth, that's the foundation of 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.719 really everything you know on this and around here. We 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:50.480 believe that white supremacist institutions still very much govern our 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.079 day to day lives, not just ours, me and Q 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:57.920 and Maggie, but all of us. Even if you're a 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.440 white person living a very white life, supremacy governs your 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:06.160 life as well. We believe that. Actually we have documentation 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:07.839 to support it. We talk about it all the time 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:09.719 on the show, and anytime you want to have that 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.360 sidebar conversation with me, at least I certainly have it 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:19.040 with you. But we also recognize that if we understand 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.520 the predicament that we're in, the circumstances that we're in, 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:26.679 and we can agree on a path forward, that we 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:30.640 can start to fix things. At least on this one show, 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.720 we can. I'm always going to be hope cute see 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.720 QBS rolling his eyes at me again, but we can. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.319 You know, we're doing our part the best we know 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:44.559 how to try to move forward. And so there is 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:52.760 a certain duality that is kind of built into our experience, 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.840 you know what I mean. And you might be noticing 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.040 that on the other end of Juneteenth. You might notice 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:00.760 that in this show. On the way one hand, we're saying, 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.400 look at these people taking advantage of June tenth, and 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.480 on the other hand, we're saying, please celebrate Juneteenth with us. 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.240 And this is the duality I'm speaking to, because it 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.240 very much is a function of, Hey, we do want 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.319 the brotherhood, but we've been a little hurt in the 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.400 past and we don't want to feel taken advantage of. 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.959 And I think the word feel is very important, you 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:23.920 know what I mean, And in order for you to 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:29.480 kind of help frame it in the right way, if 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.240 you ask yourself, is what you're doing performative? You're just 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.559 putting on a show because it's that time of year 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.000 and you guys need to get some money on your 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.280 corporate bottom line, if you work for a big company 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:44.920 and you're high up, or if you're you know, do 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.000 really fight this fight with us through the year. Do 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:51.160 you cry with us when we see these black men 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.079 and women losing their lives at the hands of police. 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.000 Is that really something that moves you? Or do you 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:02.280 blame the victim and side with the police and then 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.319 on Juneteenth say, well, I got the day off, so 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:08.599 you know, let me put a post up, you know, 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:10.480 on my social you know what I mean. So those 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.360 are the things that you know, authenticity really helps us 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:18.120 as as black people as we are healing from four 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.280 hundred years of trauma. This is I think what I'm 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:24.000 trying to say here now. I don't want to keep 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.040 talking because your eyes are saying I got a lot 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.720 to offer this, So go ahead, you you got something 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:29.120 to get off. 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:34.560 It's just it's very complicated, Right, there's a lot of context. 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.120 There's a lot of nuance that must be discussed because 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:43.439 it is impossible to separate exploitation from capitalism. 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:44.560 Right. 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.120 We'd feel much better if someone that looked like us 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:51.240 trademark Juneteenth. Right, But the way that this society works, 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.800 someone was going to I'm sad that we hadn't already. 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.080 It shouldn't have required for it to become a national 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.559 holiday for someone that looks like us, like us to 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:06.360 have thought that we should own that. But then that 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:12.120 presents its own set of interesting circumstances. If Ramsy's job 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:17.199 owned the Juneteenth trademark, I'm sure someone would find issue 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.080 with that. Yeah, who are you to own juneteenth? 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:21.320 Right? 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.800 So there's this space that we're in, Like you said 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:26.840 as a Kesh twenty two, there's no right answer, there's 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:33.359 no outcome that makes everybody happy. The conflation of Juneteenth 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:38.640 and pan Africanism. Right, we thought ten minutes ago the 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:40.560 June teen flag was red, black and green. 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.080 Yeah, that's the more popular one that I've seen. 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.840 Yeah, but it's not that's just pan Africanism thrown on 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:51.080 an American flag. The Juneteenth flag, as Maggie showed us. 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.840 Is red, white and blue, a very very American holiday 0:14:55.520 --> 0:15:03.320 because American slaves were emancipated, became in theory, freed American people, 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.680 and we've had to live here as Americans. 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.120 Right, we have to put African American on the front 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.240 of it. But Irish Americans do not have to identify 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.640 as Irish Americans or any other of the list of 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:20.200 European countries that are also immigrants. 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.840 In this on this land. They just get to be American. 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.800 We have to self identify as different because they've done 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:29.680 four hundred years of reminding us that you guys are 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:33.720 not us. And as you said, that comes with a 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:38.280 trauma that makes everything hurt. When a person that's not 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:43.760 black is waving a Juneteenth flag, we have to ask, 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:47.800 maybe not even out loud, is that person celebrating us 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:51.840 or making fun of us, or exploiting us or performing 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.640 Like you said before, this is a space that we 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.360 live in, you know, being black in this country, man, 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:02.880 it is mentally and emotionally exhausted. We somehow find a 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:07.160 way to turn up anyway, Yeah, to barbecue anyway, to 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:11.720 party anyway, to celebrate anyway, or anyhow. As our ancestors 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:15.280 any Yeah, you know what I mean. Our life's experience 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:21.200 is traumatic always. I still get uncomfortable every time a 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.160 police car is behind me one hundred percent of the time. 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.320 That's the experience when you look like us in this 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:31.160 kind of listen. I get uncomfortable when I'm at a store. 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:33.800 I'm forty years old. I could buy whatever I want 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.920 in the store. I uncomfortable with a store when somebody's 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.000 looking at me, or when I walk out the store 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:43.360 and I didn't buy nothing. Oh god, I know for 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.160 a fact they're like, oh man, what are you coming here? 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:47.440 And what you got in bot? And I'm not a thief, 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:48.680 I nerd, But I know what you mean. 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:52.600 Our shared experience on this land, and even in moments 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:56.280 and spaces where we're celebrating, we still have to ask 0:16:56.360 --> 0:17:01.360 these very uncomfortable questions. But I challenged us, I challenged 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:05.440 the group that we spoke to. We can't have it 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:09.440 both ways, man. We cannot say, hey, everyone, come celebrate 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:14.760 this with us, and then have this insane level of 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.840 scrutiny on every decision they make. A lot of people 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:21.119 are going to make some wrong decisions good spirit. And 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:23.359 some people, as you know, are going to make some 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:27.080 awful decisions because they're awful. We know that historically, we 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.800 know that as fact. But some people are really just 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.080 trying to meet us where we are. We're really just 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:33.919 trying to get on board and be down with us. 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.920 And there's no way that this holiday is going to 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:42.520 become a national, federal, widespread celebration and people who don't 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.800 look like us don't celebrate it, don't celebrate it, and 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.680 don't profit from it. Every one of these companies that 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.440 sells the Saint Patrick's Dey t shirt, I assure you 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:56.080 do not have Irish owners, not all of them. The 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.240 same with single Demil, the same with the Fourth of July, 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.520 the same. You know, I'm guarantee you that some Taiwan 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:02.679 selling Fourth of. 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.000 July merch getting all the money from me, right, So 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.040 you know that's that's going to happen. 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.560 It's just watching the expectation happen right in front of you. 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.480 It can't be painful and traumatic, right, But there's going 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:14.280 to be some people I think that are trying to 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.440 do that, are trying to do the right thing, They're 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:18.080 going to miss. 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:19.280 That, and that's what I want to I want to 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:23.560 mention that. So two, there's a group of people in 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.960 this country. I believe them to be mostly white folks 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:33.359 who have kind energy and they really want to be 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.400 the best brothers and sisters that they can to their 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:42.359 African American brothers and sisters. They want to do the 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.879 best that they can. And to you, if you are 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:49.040 from this group, I say thank you, I love you. 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.000 You are going to be the bridge that kind of 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:55.640 helps us to find out how we can be comfortable 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:57.719 find where the line is. You know what I mean. 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.639 I can't define that line for everyone. I can't define 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:04.399 that line for the culture. But I feel like with 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:06.560 this microphone in front of my face, I can say 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:10.639 that in my travels and the people that I know, 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:18.920 you know that there's we want that we want that Yeah, 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.920 absolutely wouldn't want to just be treated fairly and fair 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.280 is as you mentioned, the same way they do for 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:29.080 it to July and all the other holidays. So to 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.000 you people who are like the first movers, who are 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:33.879 the early adopters, who are the ones who are just 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.120 as excited that Juneteenth was a holiday, or maybe maybe 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:38.680 the first year it didn't make its way to you, 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.760 but this this year was you know, you're here and 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:43.639 you wanted to get out there and do something, or 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:45.600 maybe you're even the sort of person that was like 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.480 apprehensive to make a big deal out of it because 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:53.080 you didn't know how to That consideration matters. The fact 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:54.480 that you would take a moment and say I'm not 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:56.879 sure I should do that, and you're waiting to hear 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.320 me say this to you right now on your radio 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:01.440 station or you know, if you're listening on the podcast 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:05.719 or whatever, to say it's okay to celebrate with us. 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:11.200 You know, you having that being deliberate in your movements, 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:16.040 being kind, being measured, that matters. I do want to 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:19.600 say something else too. I want to shout out to Maggie, 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:21.520 our producer, because she's the one that gave me that 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:26.160 word performative that you mentioned earlier, because she don't play 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:30.280 that these companies doing performative stuff, so make sure Credit 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:33.440 Wars do. And she's also the one that pointed out 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:36.040 that there's two June teen flags, which I knew. I 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:38.439 don't know why I didn't think of it anyway, Well, 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:42.680 there's one June teen flags and the more recent one 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:44.440 that made the point out of you. 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:46.639 And then, like I said, there's Pan Africanism, the the 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.560 one that I may put on an American flag, right. 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:51.840 And that's the one that people are taking issue with 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.040 and the other news articles saying that they didn't like it, 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:57.400 and I'm like, yoh, it's the same as the Blue 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:01.840 Lives Matter flags with another set of colors. Anyway, moving on, 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:05.240 I wanted to read this as well, So here's some 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:10.320 things to keep in mind. Companies, brands, and individuals need 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:17.200 to understand why something is that it may be considered 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:22.159 performative or disrespectful. All right. For people on a journey 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:24.119 to be an ally to the black community, it's important 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:27.560 to understand the why when brands go viral for the 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:30.119 harm they've caused. It's too easy to scroll by and 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.639 move on to the next headline. We must take a 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:36.080 moment to educate ourselves on perspective and lived experiences that 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.440 are not our own, right, that's all of us, right, 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:45.280 So you understand, you know, performative versus performative and disrespectful. 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:47.520 Neither one of those are good. Again, performative is just 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.399 you kind of putting on a show. Disrespectful is just 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:53.240 like intentional, you know, intentionally trying to hurt someone. Not 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:59.359 always intentional, right, but well yeah, that's fair. You can 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:03.800 be disrespect will not be intentional. But hopefully you understand 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:06.720 the word disrespectful. And we don't need to I don't 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:08.719 need to explain it to you any further. All right, 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.639 This one says, understand how this happened. By understanding how 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:18.119 this might have happened, marketers can review how they are 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:20.680 leading their own teams. It doesn't matter how many people 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:22.639 are involved. None of the people has a personal connection 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:27.119 to the cultural significance of the event. So you know, 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:30.000 chat with your friends, talk to some folks in your community. 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:32.400 If you don't have any friends or folks in your community, 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:36.320 plug into social media. Follow civic cipher. Maggie runs our 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:38.680 social media. She posts lots of cool stuff, you know, 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:40.520 and then you can find a community there people that 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:43.439 follow and subscribe to that feed. But build a community 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:46.879 of your own. Find out how people are dealing with 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:52.920 these sorts of things. Understand how to celebrate and honor appropriately. 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:57.720 To celebrate an honor juneityap appropriately, budget matters to ensure 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:01.000 this isn't a performative act or a way a company 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:04.120 to wait for a company to generate profit off the holiday. 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:09.320 You can donate to a nonprofit like the ACLU, the NAACP, 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:13.120 the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the Innocence Project. I'll 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:16.600 also mention that you can donate to Civic Cipher because 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:20.240 we are growing with your support and your donations, and 0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:23.680 I'm always going to mention it whenever i can. The 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:27.239 Equal Justice Initiative by Brian Stevenson. I'm a big fan 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:30.320 of that guy, So you can always donate there as well. Yeah, 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:32.800 there's a benefit of the doubt. 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:37.760 Okay, that's not always extended because we feel like these 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:38.639 missteps in. 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:44.520 Areas where there's disrespect, we feel like it's obvious. 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:48.040 I think the one thing that you've made it your 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:52.960 personal mission to make true about this space in particular, 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:57.000 is that space and that bridge for reconciliation, for forgiveness 0:23:57.080 --> 0:24:02.159 and for moving forward together better. Yeah, because you extend 0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:04.680 this benefit of the doubt, like all the time that 0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:06.600 I'm kind of that just kind of doesn't. 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:06.879 Work with me. 0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:11.200 However, without that benefit of the doubt, then there's no 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:14.680 communication for correction you did me wrong, okay, and you 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:17.560 just dismiss Now, this person can never do it right. 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:20.639 They can never they can never get into the space 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:23.440 that we want them to get to because we've made 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:26.120 up our mind that we're offended. We have not extended 0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:29.520 the benefit of the doubt. We don't communicate any correction. 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:34.879