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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour.

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Speaker 2: I'm Joe and I'm Serena and we are here.

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Speaker 1: With none other than the TV maker herself, Cat Cat

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Speaker 1: Cat from Bachelor and Paradise Cat. How are you welcome

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Speaker 1: to Hello?

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: How's it going?

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Speaker 4: What's going?

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Speaker 1: You mentioned you mentioned right before you hop died. You're anxious?

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Speaker 1: Are you anxious for this?

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Speaker 3: It's been a rollwin of emotions the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 3: Most of that is anxiety driven for sure.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we just we Actually we also interviewed Jess

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Speaker 1: and I asked her. Yeah, I asked her this question,

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Speaker 1: which I will ask you going into Paradise. What were

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Speaker 1: you looking for in a partner?

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Speaker 3: We're starting right off, Okay, let's go.

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Speaker 4: I would say my biggest thing that I'm looking for

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Speaker 4: when I was going into this is just like someone

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Speaker 4: that can be you know, someone that can be person

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Speaker 4: that you're in a relationship with.

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Speaker 3: But like even it hasn't changed in Zax season.

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Speaker 4: I do want a best friend and like a partner

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Speaker 4: I can do life with outside of just the romanticness

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Speaker 4: behind it. So that was the biggest thing, was just

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Speaker 4: to find like a person to lean on and do

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Speaker 4: life with.

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Speaker 2: That.

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Speaker 1: I what was your yeah, and what was your dating

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Speaker 1: history prior to even going on Zax season.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's the usual twenties dating history.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I had a few serious boyfriends.

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Speaker 4: I had a few nasi serious boyfriends. Definitely a lot

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Speaker 4: of lessons learned throughout all of it. But going into

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Speaker 4: even Zach season in Paradise, I really hadn't dated so much.

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Speaker 4: I was mostly just spending time with myself and my

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Speaker 4: studies and focusing on like moving and stuff because they

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Speaker 4: wanted to get out of Florida. But I would say

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Speaker 4: it was the most average common dating history you can

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Speaker 4: think of of a girl in her twenties.

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Speaker 2: Cool, all right, so like maybe five You know, we've

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Speaker 2: got like the.

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Speaker 5: Casuals, we got the serious ones, and now we're looking for.

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Speaker 4: There we go like that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you go down to Paradise, you're rocking, you're

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Speaker 5: green set. Who are you hoping to see when you

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Speaker 5: get down there? And then once you get down who

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Speaker 5: are the people that are like catching your arm?

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Speaker 4: I was going down expecting and hoping to see Tanner

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Speaker 4: from Charity season and Tyler, and then I was always

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Speaker 4: open to just whatever, like like a wild card, I guess.

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Speaker 4: So I wasn't really going in with expectations. There's always

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Speaker 4: that hope, but I also wanted knowing that they I

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Speaker 4: might not like them. So those are just really the

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Speaker 4: only people that I knew.

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Speaker 3: Of and like I could like put a face to

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Speaker 3: the name kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: But generally, there wasn't too many people that were really

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Speaker 4: like catching my eye that first day. And I came

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Speaker 4: in a little bit later, I would say that, you know,

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Speaker 4: Blake is obviously very attractive. He was one of the

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Speaker 4: guys I was looking like, you know, getting drawn too,

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Speaker 4: and then Brayden eventually, but I was really just like

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Speaker 4: trying to get to know everybody, So it wasn't like

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Speaker 4: an initial spark on anyone that first day.

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Speaker 2: Totally.

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Speaker 1: This is not like a trap question, even though it

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Speaker 1: may sound like one. Even though it may sound like,

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Speaker 1: well were you were you talking to any guys before

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Speaker 1: the show like dms, having any like casual conversations.

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Speaker 2: Or even like we saw like Kylie like had her

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Speaker 2: little like.

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Speaker 5: Emoji moment with Evan, like anything where you were like, ooh,

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Speaker 5: I think this person might be to me, yeah, or

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Speaker 5: like word on the.

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Speaker 4: Street to people like I, if I could do this

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Speaker 4: all over again, I would be literally texting them and

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Speaker 4: talking to them and being like, let's make this not

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Speaker 4: be awkward when we meet. But unfortunately no, cat Yes,

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Speaker 4: so great because I know, please, but no, I was.

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Speaker 5: It would have been so great, says no history from

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Speaker 5: this franchise.

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Speaker 4: Ever, but it just still it would have like used

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Speaker 4: the nerves or you know whatever. And then I didn't

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Speaker 4: want to because I wanted to be natural. But the

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Speaker 4: really only thing that happened, like me and Tyler followed

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Speaker 4: each other on Instagram, and ME and Tanner followed each

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Speaker 4: other on Instagram, so that was like kind of are like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: I see you, I know who you are kind of

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Speaker 4: thing like, because I was really intentional with who I followed.

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Speaker 4: Sean was one of my friends from Tampa because we

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Speaker 4: had mutual friends. So I had been like his kind

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Speaker 4: of confidant coming off the show to kind of help

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Speaker 4: him navigate what was going on after Charity season. But

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Speaker 4: that was platonic and he knew that actually made it

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Speaker 4: right there, I did have to.

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Speaker 5: He actually did say when he was on the podcast,

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Speaker 5: he was like, Kat is a good friend of mine.

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Speaker 4: Like yeah, I was like, I'm not going on this

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Speaker 4: this season, and like people like putting that together because

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Speaker 4: we talked as friends like no, no, no, but now

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Speaker 4: I didn't talk to anybody. I was too busy with

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Speaker 4: life and I did want it to be a natural

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Speaker 4: thing when we first met.

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Speaker 1: Cool smart. Okay, so we see I guess, like the

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Speaker 1: beginning of Paradise, you and Braiden, and I would say,

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Speaker 1: this is where you've gotten a lot of heat for

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Speaker 1: I guess going on a date and then like breaking

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Speaker 1: Braiden's heart or whatever had happened. But yeah, you want

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Speaker 1: to just like kind of get into your relationship with

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Speaker 1: Braiden prior to you going on a date with Tanner.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is scary speaking I should scary.

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Speaker 1: It really doesn't.

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Speaker 4: Scary in this moment just for what it's you know,

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Speaker 4: but people can see how they feel. Prior to me

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Speaker 4: going on the date, Me and Braiden had had multiple

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Speaker 4: conversations about where our explicifity lied with our relationship. One

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Speaker 4: I can remember in particular was in the.

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Speaker 3: Pool that day.

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Speaker 4: I told him like, you know, hey, I I am

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Speaker 4: liking what's going on, but like I will I want

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Speaker 4: to be open with you, like I'm there was people

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Speaker 4: I was hoping to see that I'm here and like

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Speaker 4: I'm possibly like wanting to explore that if they do come,

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Speaker 4: like if you're comfortable with that type thing. We have

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Speaker 4: talked about it, and he responded with, like understanding, and

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Speaker 4: you know, we had had a lot of conversations about

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Speaker 4: where we saw our or at least where I thought

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Speaker 4: we saw our relationship going in the coming weeks, because

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Speaker 4: it was day two and even in the bonfire when

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Speaker 4: Hannah asked me that question about who I was hoping

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Speaker 4: to see, Braydon responded with in front of everybody, like,

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Speaker 4: you know, I know that we talked about it, and

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Speaker 4: I'm good in it.

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Speaker 3: I still want to just pursue her.

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Speaker 4: So from my understanding, it was like everybody saw that,

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Speaker 4: like he's acknowledging that that's so mature, that's so great,

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Speaker 4: Like we've talked about it, like We're still just going

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Speaker 4: to like we like each other and I'm enjoying what's

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Speaker 4: fun and just affectionate and everything like that. Might was

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Speaker 4: definitely very affectionate with him, but at the end of

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Speaker 4: the day, like expectations and like we had talked about

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Speaker 4: it because I always wanted to make sure that it

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Speaker 4: was that we said. And yeah, I would say, that's

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Speaker 4: like where I was at before Tanner came in, Like

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Speaker 4: I was just nearly understanding that we're on the same page.

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Speaker 5: I'll be totally honest, That's exactly what I like we

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Speaker 5: thought was happening.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Like I think you're getting a lot.

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Speaker 5: Of like people saying like, oh my god, like how

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Speaker 5: dare she go on this date? Like I assume we've

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Speaker 5: probably said this on the podcast, but we've definitely talked

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Speaker 5: about this, like to each other, Like our perception of

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Speaker 5: what was going on was you had said, like in

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Speaker 5: the Truth Serve, like I'm looking to go on a

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Speaker 5: date with like maybe Tanner or Tyler if they come down.

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Speaker 2: We've been down there. We know day two, day three.

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Speaker 5: Is still so so early, like we were not exclusive

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Speaker 5: by that point, and it's.

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Speaker 1: Just like give me like a really well a really

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Speaker 1: dirty look there, Jesus, sorry.

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Speaker 5: God, Well, anyway, but what I was gonna say is

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Speaker 5: I feel like Bryden seemed like he was more locked

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Speaker 5: no point did it seem like you guys were exclusive,

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Speaker 5: Like when Tanner asked you on the date, like I

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Speaker 5: was like, yeah, like, of course she's going to go

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Speaker 5: on this date. Like she's been verbal about this, she's

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Speaker 5: been like open about this. And because we only see

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Speaker 5: a little bit, I always assume you've said it more

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Speaker 5: than just what we've seen, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Like when you see something said once, you're like you

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Speaker 3: Like and I will say, like.

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Speaker 4: At that point when Tanner did ask me on the date,

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Speaker 4: like you're supposed to pull them separately and like had

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Speaker 4: know what to do. Like I'm like, after I spoke

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Speaker 4: with me going like I know the row ceremony was yesterday,

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Speaker 4: but you know, I was having a little bit of reservations.

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Speaker 4: I think, just based on our interactions in the last

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Speaker 4: little bit more weary about where a relationship is going

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Speaker 4: to go. But should I have maybe pulled him aside

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Speaker 4: and like made it more personal and and I'm also

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Speaker 4: they can have a little bit more perspective. Absolutely, I

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Speaker 4: just I didn't like, I don't know like what to do.

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, we've talked.

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Speaker 4: About it, everybody knows here he is saying, okay, I'm

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Speaker 3: If he asked me.

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Speaker 1: Kind of thing, well, what was what was his attitude

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Speaker 1: when you did that?

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Speaker 3: I was going, Oh, he was like all for it.

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Speaker 4: He was like, have fun that I'll be here when

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Speaker 4: you get back, like, you know, just very understanding and

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Speaker 4: reassuring that I'm not doing anything that would have the.

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Speaker 3: Response that I did when I actually did get back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. See, I didn't like I was I'm with Serena

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Speaker 1: on that, like we when we watch it, I I

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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I really don't think you did anything wrong.

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Speaker 1: The only the only time and you know, as a

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Speaker 1: you at fault would be it seemed like you were

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Speaker 1: then upset with him being.

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Speaker 5: But I do think that I do think that you're

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Speaker 5: you've given a little more context of why you were

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Speaker 5: so frustrated. And if you're saying that you'd had multiple

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Speaker 5: going on these dates, then there definitely wasn't a betrayal.

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Speaker 5: It's totally fine for him to feel hurt by that,

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Speaker 5: And yes, I will say you were definitely frustrated with

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Speaker 1: That I hate. I hate the I hate the that

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Speaker 5: So then I'm curious, if you didn't go on that

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Speaker 3: It's still early.

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Speaker 4: I just know that, like, I don't feel comfortable with

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Speaker 3: So it wasn't I want to just put my eggs

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Speaker 4: It was mostly just like I just know that I

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Speaker 1: Have taken him, Well, I rather you do that. I

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Speaker 4: Well exactly, it gave him the opportunity to actually develop

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Speaker 5: Of course, why do you think, why do you think

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Speaker 5: call in this narrative of like Cat used Braiden, Cat

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: Where do you think that came from? Do you think

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Speaker 5: Just like they watched him be so sad on the

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Speaker 4: I think I'm a very easy person to pile on.

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Speaker 4: Brayden is someone that you can easily have compassion for.

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Speaker 1: This is going to be a little harder of a question,

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Speaker 4: Okay, my response to that is it's hard, Joe. It

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and people and honestly, like the situation is

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Speaker 4: I don't know that was the problem. So I spent

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Speaker 4: I didn't go on a way to have a conversation

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Speaker 3: Kind of putting the ball in his court to do that.

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Speaker 5: Do you think if it wasn't your worthday you would

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Speaker 1: looking at it, like it's just unfortunate your birthday falls

442
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,959
Speaker 1: on the same timeline as your paradise. So can you

443
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,120
Speaker 1: really blame him?

444
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 4: I mean I can't. I was born on that day

445
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 4: and I probably shouldn't have told anybody that it was

446
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 4: my freaking birthday, Okay, But at the same time, I

447
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 4: think in general, regardless of my birthday or not having

448
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 4: a conversation about where you stood when you had gone

449
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 4: the rose since we're going to focus on roses in

450
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 4: the season, the night before would have been nice because

451
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 4: he had all day to do it before.

452
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 1: That date, and that was just and then I feel

453
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: like you touched on this.

454
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 5: No, I was just gonna say so, like the chat

455
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 5: went bad, right, Like the situation wasn't great.

456
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,479
Speaker 2: There was a lot of tension between you and Tanner.

457
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 5: What do you think he could have done or was

458
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 5: there anything he could have done specifically differently that would

459
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 5: have made the whole situation go over better other than

460
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 5: not go on the date with Daby, because I think

461
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 5: he was probably always gonna end up going on that date.

462
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 5: Like is there something he could have said done if

463
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 5: he if he pulled you that morning and you'd had

464
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 5: a conversation about like where your relationship was going, I

465
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 5: wouldn't honestly.

466
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 4: I mean it's subjective, but I don't think that the

467
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 4: conversation that we had prior to Cam going on the

468
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 4: date with Davia went horrible. I think it was quick

469
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 4: to the point, and since like you know, Davia came

470
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 4: up and I gave her hug goodbye and told her

471
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 4: to have fun, like that's how it ended. So I

472
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 4: think if we had at least had some understanding and

473
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 4: like at least yeah, touched base on where relationship was,

474
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 4: it wouldn't have been as intense as it ended up being.

475
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 4: But you're worried that you're gonna get you know, left

476
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 4: over on this speech. It was that is your biggest

477
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 4: con And in that moment, I was definitely feeling like

478
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 4: I just got like he's just like an f boy,

479
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 4: And that was just in that moment, you know, where

480
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 4: I was.

481
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, So then what would your response be to the

482
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 5: people that are saying you're being hypocritical because you went

483
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 5: on a date with Tanner after a few days with

484
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 5: Braiden and now Tanner's doing the same to you, and

485
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 5: you're really upset about it.

486
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: I also feel like you do kind of mention the

487
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: fact that you had expressed to Braiden where you're Yeah,

488
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: I don't.

489
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: Think the relationships the same.

490
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 5: I just wanted to give you the opportunity to kind

491
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 5: of like address to that.

492
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 4: I would say, I mean, everybody is entitled to feel

493
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 4: how they feel from there.

494
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 3: That's there.

495
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 4: They're in the relationship just as much as ion and

496
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 4: in my understanding and why I think it's coming up.

497
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 4: Like I had spoken to Braidaen about where our relationships

498
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 4: stood and where I saw the rest of Paradise progressing

499
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 4: it and so. But in contrast, like me and Tanner

500
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 4: hadn't had that conversation a couple of days. I'd also

501
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 4: spent more days with Tanner than I had with Braiden.

502
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 4: Definitely more hours. You mean, we had an entire date together,

503
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 4: and we had a whole another day together. Then we

504
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 4: had whole Roaser Money day together, So there was a

505
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 4: lot more hours and time spent of getting to know

506
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 4: each other than even in comparison to Braiden. So it

507
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 4: is going to be more intensive. Oh and then my

508
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 4: whole day of my birthday, So that's like four days

509
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 4: compared to two, and a lot of that wasn't even

510
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 4: quality time because it was a lot going on.

511
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the main thing, the main takeaway from

512
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 5: what you're saying is that you had a very clear

513
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 5: status of a relationship with Braiden and it had been

514
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 5: a short period of time, whereas when it came to Tanner,

515
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 5: it was a little bit more depth in that relationship,

516
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 5: more time sped together, and when it came down to

517
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 5: him going on this date on your birthday, you're kind

518
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 5: of like, Okay, what's going on, Like what's going on here?

519
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: Like it was a lot less clear.

520
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 4: It was, But I can see where that can be

521
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 4: like looked at as karma, you know, hypocritical, like all

522
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 4: the things that are being said, like you did the

523
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 4: same thing. But in my eyes, I did speak to Braiden,

524
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 4: you know, like I had talked to him, even maybe

525
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 4: it wasn't personal, but we had spoken in at least

526
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 4: touch base even that same right before he asked me,

527
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 4: And then like Tayner came and sat down next to

528
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 4: other people, didn't even come and sit next to me.

529
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 4: You know, those are like the differences that like you

530
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 4: might not see it first, but like we're there. When

531
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 4: I came back from Tanner a nice conversation, I sat

532
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 4: next to Braiden and talked to Braiden. That was not

533
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 4: like that was the difference. It's not a comparison, you know,

534
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 4: it's not a competition on who does this better. We're

535
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 4: all just doing our best. I think people forget that

536
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 4: we are like twenty year old, like in our twenties

537
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 4: dating on this speech with our friends. It's very difficult,

538
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 4: and so I don't fault anybody from doing it. I'm

539
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 4: trying not to even fault myself. But yeah, I mean

540
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 4: we're just we're just trying to survive. We're just doing our.

541
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: Best, Okay, So soriving, thriving.

542
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: So it's just how it goes.

543
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: So Tanner comes, Tanner comes back on a date with Davia,

544
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 1: and then you guys have a like a chat and

545
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: it's kind of like who's breaking up with who kind

546
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: of conversation. But I guess, like, yeah, where was your

547
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: head at going into that conversation and then where were

548
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: you after?

549
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 4: I'm trying to okay, so what I was trying to

550
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 4: do the night prior was like just say with my

551
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 4: emotions see where they go. If I continue to get

552
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 4: like upset that he's not here and like that, like

553
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 4: you know, pick apart everything, then like I think that's

554
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,479
Speaker 4: enough for me to say, like it's time to go.

555
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 4: And honestly, my gut was never really like fully leaning

556
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 4: into Tanner in general, I being honest, So you know,

557
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 4: I went into that conversation being like, regardless of what said,

558
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: I don't feel comfortable proceeding. Let me just point out

559
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 4: that the guys have their roses that week, So I'm

560
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 4: breaking up with a guy who has a rose.

561
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: Anyways.

562
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: Okay, but what do you what do you say to

563
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: people saying that he was breaking up with you?

564
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 4: Oh? I mean I was probably having an ego moment

565
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 4: for sure, like are you getting me? Every girl wants

566
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 4: to be like, no, I did the breaking up. Okay,

567
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 4: you didn't break up with me one hundred percent that

568
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 4: was me. But like I still know in my heart

569
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 4: that I went into that being like and that's why

570
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 4: I said it because they let him talk first, and

571
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 4: I was like I should have talked first.

572
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 5: But still yeah, because once they get it out, once

573
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 5: they get it over out.

574
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 4: My ego was being shown in every capacity like for

575
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 4: sure being like no, no, no, I did it. He didn't

576
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 4: want to be in it either, So then I was like,

577
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 4: you know, it ended up being mutual, and I think

578
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 4: that's why we can laugh at it now, but it is.

579
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 4: It definitely was being shown through like everybody could understand

580
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 4: where that that happens sometimes, you know, but I know

581
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 4: I wanted the relationship to not for it anyways.

582
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 5: So.

583
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: There we go, Yeah, okay, and we talk about we

584
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: Serena and I actually talked about this on the recap

585
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: that you know, we believe is a good quality that

586
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: like you are able to you are able to get

587
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: knocked down and then and get up pretty quickly and

588
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: keep moving.

589
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I actually want to talk about this before we

590
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 5: get into your next boyfriend, but you are now we're

591
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 5: about to go into your third Paradise boyfriend. And truly,

592
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 5: I don't know if I've ever seen someone with such

593
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 5: like persistence and tenacity, but like you really do, like

594
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 5: it ends with Braiden and like things like you have

595
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 5: like a bad convo with Braiden and then it's like

596
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 5: switch flip, like you're focused on Tanner and then like

597
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 5: switch flipped, and like I don't mean that in a

598
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 5: bad way. Like I feel like there's so many people that,

599
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,479
Speaker 5: like when their relationship doesn't play out the way they hoped,

600
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 5: or like a comvo doesn't play out the way they

601
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 5: helped her in their favor, they want to go home.

602
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,959
Speaker 5: They're like, hey, like this didn't work out, Like how

603
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 5: how did you do that? Like where does that come from?

604
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: I have a lot of resilience.

605
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 4: I have been told that that I'm a very resilient person,

606
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 4: but I just think in general, I've gone through a

607
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 4: lot of seasons of life that have contributed to that.

608
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 4: It takes a lot to knock me fully fully down. Granted,

609
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 4: in these last few weeks, I almost got there. I'm

610
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 4: not gonna lie, but like it takes more than just

611
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 4: like a relationship with a boy, like to bring me

612
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 4: down to the point where I want to, you know,

613
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 4: be done with life. But at the same time, I

614
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 4: will be honest with you, like those moments of like

615
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 4: I look like I'm really mad, I'm actually like having

616
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 4: a conversation with myself if I want to stay. Because

617
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 4: there was so much that had led to like my

618
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 4: breakup in those weeks that like I felt like I

619
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: was underwater.

620
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: It was like I just can't come above water.

621
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 4: But at the same time, like I I'm a very

622
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 4: strong woman and I want to always like just put

623
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 4: myself first in the way that like is I don't know,

624
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 4: just be my biggest advocate. And I think just a

625
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 4: lot of seasons of life have contributed to my resilience

626
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 4: and it definitely was shown through on the beach, like

627
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 4: you're not gonna knock me down, okay, Like I'm gonna

628
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 4: do this, and I came there.

629
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: I'm breaking up with you.

630
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: You who's next?

631
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 4: For Actually, you know, when the when the next boyfriend formed,

632
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 4: it wasn't even like who's next, Like I was like,

633
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 4: you know what, I had my own butterfly clip and

634
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 4: that's I remember being like I'm just a free butterfly,

635
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 4: like whatever the heck happens today, Like I'm just going

636
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 4: to lean into I have no expectations. I'm just gonna

637
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 4: have fun, like I was, like I said, down the leap,

638
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 4: so like it was just like natural energy that I

639
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 4: allowed in and I just listened to it.

640
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: And yeah, that's pretty much I think what I did.

641
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: So from your point of view, where did Olivia In

642
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: John Henry's stand.

643
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know. I mean they were hanging out.

644
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: For sure, were you for are you friends? Were you

645
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: friends with her at the time, or was it just more.

646
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 4: Like no I had I was going through my own

647
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 4: obviously things, so like the main people I was leaning

648
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 4: on were my girls like Kylie, Jess, Mercedes, even sometimes

649
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 4: Rachel and stuff. Even a lot of the boys were

650
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 4: like my friends and people are like Blake was one

651
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 4: of my confidants that I would like talk through things with,

652
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: but Olivia was never really one of them because there

653
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 4: was just some things that were said about other women

654
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 4: that like rubbed me the wrong way.

655
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: So I just didn't.

656
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 4: I never really felt comfortable having a friendship with her,

657
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 4: like on a personal level, So I never really had

658
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 4: any idea of like where her relationships did. But if

659
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 4: there was one person on the beach that I definitely

660
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 4: did not have even like an actual friendship, it was Olivia.

661
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: So who was whore her?

662
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: She was friends with?

663
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 4: She hung out a lot with Eliza, that was her

664
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 4: like closest friend. I would say, yeah.

665
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: Okay, So then when you start like flirting in talking

666
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: to John Henry, is he just kind of just going

667
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: back it's does he bring up Olivia or where he's

668
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: at in that relationship.

669
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 4: I asked him at some point and he was like

670
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 4: just saying, you know, yeah, we've been getting to know

671
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 4: each other and I like hang out with her, but

672
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 4: like he was still I think open to just like

673
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 4: getting to know each other. And in those initial moments

674
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 4: it was about just I was just like really intrigued

675
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 4: by him and like I felt like a weird like attraction.

676
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 4: So it was very like just a friendship. And we

677
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: had became friends over a few days that he's been

678
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 4: on the beach, So I wasn't like, Okay, I'm talking

679
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 4: to you because we're going to date tomorrow and like

680
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 4: you're going to be the person I like.

681
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 3: It was just like no, you know, and he's very easy.

682
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 4: On the eyes, so he is really fun to talk

683
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 4: to you and I hang out with and just look

684
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 4: out in general. I remember I would forget what he

685
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 4: says because he would just like talk to me and

686
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 4: I couldn't hear him because he's so attractive.

687
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: But I think you said that actually.

688
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 4: It's insane, like it's it's never happened to me before,

689
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 4: and I was like, what's going on? So there was

690
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 4: just like a lot of weird feelings that were coming up,

691
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 4: but I was just kind of going with it. I

692
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 4: wasn't really like having any intention or expectations or like fantasies.

693
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 4: It was just like, you're like really cute and really

694
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 4: fun to talk to.

695
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 5: Did you have any concerns about getting to know him?

696
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 5: With Olivia on the beach and like potential confidence there.

697
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: I saw she handled the Kylie situation, so I was like,

698
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't.

699
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 4: I've had enough pair tare drama. But in general, I

700
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 4: never wanted to disrespect her. I never would want to

701
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 4: be like in front of somebody that she has feelings for,

702
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 4: and I would never be doing that in a purposeful way.

703
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 4: But we it's kind of hard in periodus because we're

704
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 4: all around each other, but I know I would. There

705
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 4: was multiple times where I'm like, I don't want to

706
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 4: be doing this because I know that she still likes him,

707
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 4: and I would never want to like disrespect somebody. But

708
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 4: I was just a little worried on how that was

709
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 4: going to be accepted, just based on like what I've

710
00:33:59,000 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 4: seen thus far.

711
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: If that makes sense, How did it How did it

712
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: feel when Olivia then after you're talking to John Henry

713
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: and we don't know, like the way it comes across us.

714
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: You're talking to John Henry and then she comes finally

715
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: comes over that night, pulls him and like makes out

716
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: with him. What looks like to be in front of you.

717
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 4: Or that was so fun? That was great. I love it.

718
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 4: Just because I'm not doing it does not mean that

719
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 4: she's not doing it. Like I'm sure it was territorial

720
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 4: and disrespectful and blah blah, you know all that stuff,

721
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 4: but that wasn't going to deter me from I. I

722
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 4: could tell in that moment that that's not John Henry,

723
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 4: like that was Olivia. So it's if that's how you

724
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 4: if that's how you display, you know, how you carry

725
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 4: yourself in these moments, that's fair, not sure, but it's

726
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 4: not the Bachelor. So it's not like I'm gonna go

727
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 4: and be like can I interrupt you for a second, Like, No,

728
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 4: he's a grown man.

729
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: If he wants to be there, he'll be there.

730
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 4: If he doesn't, he won't, you know, like he's it's

731
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 4: not just like he can make his own decisions for

732
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 4: himself too.

733
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, and how if roles were flipped and you

734
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: were talking to John Henry first and then Olivia came around.

735
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: How do you think you would have handled that?

736
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 4: I mean he was hanging out with me, so like

737
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 4: if I was in her position and I saw him

738
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 4: talking to another girl after we've formed a connection, that's

739
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 4: not the like for me, I would never say that's

740
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 4: the woman's fault, Like I would be like, okay, like

741
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 4: you clearly like her, my ego's hurt. I gotta go

742
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 4: like that would be that's but that's how I handle it.

743
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 4: But I mean that's not to say that that's like right,

744
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: but I I just had too much of like an

745
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 4: ego and like, like I just I wouldn't I don't

746
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 4: think be able to you know, he's he can make

747
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 4: his own decision like he's he's.

748
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 5: I guess that is kind of how you like did

749
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 5: handle it though with Tanner, like when he went on

750
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 5: a date with someone else, you were kind of okay, like.

751
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: My egos bruised and normal yourself, which is which is fair? Yeah,

752
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: I know, I'm very.

753
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 4: Aware of that. There's a lot of things I'm not

754
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 4: self aware of, but my ego is one I have

755
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 4: learned aware.

756
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: Now. I get it. It's it's difficult, it's it's a

757
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: hard like. You know, I think we're all the same way,

758
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: and we all go down to that beach, and everyone

759
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: that goes on the show, we all have a little

760
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: bit of an ego and none of us want to

761
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: get hurt, and we all know it's being televised, so

762
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: we're all, you know, in our own heads and doing

763
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: the camera crazy.

764
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 5: You You are someone that I and correct me if

765
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 5: I'm wrong, Definitely correct if I'm wrong here, But you

766
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 5: seem to use your I T M as like if

767
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 5: you're like calling your friend to vent after like your

768
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 5: boyfriend just pissed you off, or you went on a

769
00:36:52,880 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 5: bad date, like yeah, I'm just gonna have my little Yeah.

770
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 4: It's I'm appreciative of you acknowledging that because I would

771
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 4: just like to point out that, like I'm not yelling

772
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 4: at people's faces, like I easily could be being at

773
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 4: max volume like to them. I just choose to do

774
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 4: it in the camera, which I am. My eyes think

775
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 4: it's more appropriate, you know, to hit max volume in

776
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 4: a separate room and not to them. Granted sometimes the

777
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: whole beach can still hear it, but you know, it's

778
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 4: it is a more of a release moment because I'm

779
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 4: like I wanted to probably do that then and I

780
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 4: couldn't because I would never do that to somebody. But

781
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 4: I am I saying, I'm granting. I don't even think

782
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 4: I'd take a breath in some of my rants. Like

783
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 4: I like, I speak straight up for five minutes. It's

784
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 4: like insane. It's very humorous to watch back. I'm not

785
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 4: gonna lie. Sometimes I'm like closing my eyes in my ears.

786
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 4: But at the same time, it's it is funny because

787
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 4: I just being honest.

788
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, the first time you did, I was like,

789
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: what is going on? And like by like the third time,

790
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: I was like, I love that. It's so hilarious.

791
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: So I we're like, we don't hear your own tone.

792
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 4: I mean like we like we're very I'm Hispanic and Italians,

793
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 4: so like, I don't know if that has anything to

794
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 4: do with that. I've been told it does. But at

795
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 4: the same time, like, yeah, I don't hear my tone.

796
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 4: Like sometimes when I'm like raising my voice, Jess will

797
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 4: straight up be like I'm lowering the volume like lower

798
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh my god, So like that happens

799
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 4: and I don't Sometimes it's definitely amplified on television.

800
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: I get it too. You go on that, you go

801
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: in your interviews, you're and you go off and you're like, yeah,

802
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: it feels good, and then after you're like that I

803
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: shouldn't have did that, but whatever. Yeah, okay, So what

804
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: are your what are your thoughts? We're curious to see

805
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: what happens between you John Henry and Olivia, But what

806
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on Braiden now going on a date

807
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: with Becka after the whole Rachel thing. Any opinion on that?

808
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I in the moment like that I

809
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 4: saw that happen. I really felt for Rachel. She I

810
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 4: don't think sometimes like like wants to show her vulnerability

811
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 4: and like I could be wrong, but like I think

812
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 4: she was hurt. Said okay, I think she's hurting more

813
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 4: than she's alluding to. And that hurt me because I'm like, oh, like,

814
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 4: you know, but when that happened and he went on

815
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 4: that date, I was just thinking, like, Okay, maybe he

816
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 4: sees my perspective now, you know.

817
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: Like it's and it's it does make you question.

818
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 4: The intention behind what he did a few weeks ago

819
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 4: prior to that, like with everyone else, and you know,

820
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 4: if you were hurting so much, like you wouldn't expect

821
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: him to do it to someone else kind of thing.

822
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 4: But that's not my place to say. However, it's like

823
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 4: mostly I was just like, yeah, I mean, maybe he

824
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 4: can see my perspective and I I feel for Rachel mostly.

825
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 3: But it's it is.

826
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 4: It's an interesting situation. I would say, it says a lot.

827
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 4: There's a lot of telling parts that I will let

828
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 4: people form their own opinions on because I would never

829
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 4: want to guide that.

830
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: But it's interesting.

831
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: We'll see now, we'll see, we'll see what happens.

832
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 5: Wait, I have two more questions. I know you're trying

833
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 5: to like jump into the game. Okay, So no, you're

834
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 5: over time. Okay, So we have to quickly touch on

835
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 5: Eliza and ar And so we catch you in a

836
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 5: little bathroom chat with Eliza letting her know what you've

837
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 5: heard from Charity about air and b What compelled you

838
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 5: to let her know what.

839
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 2: You had heard.

840
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing that people are kind of

841
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: questioning is why have that conversation so late into like

842
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: their relationship and why not have had that conversation maybe

843
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: with Eliza when she first started talking to Aaron.

844
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 4: Okay, there were some things that were questionable about his character,

845
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: but I was never trying to like deter that or

846
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 4: determine like I didn't want to be the person that

847
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 4: like makes her make those decisions, right, But at that point,

848
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 4: it's not Yeah, I mean, if it's in the beginning,

849
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 4: you're still getting to know someone. I'm also like going

850
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 4: through my I'm in my own world. So this time

851
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 4: I was finally probably able to step out of it.

852
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 4: And I'm a girl's girl, like that is who I am.

853
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 4: And it's not about the lateness, and it's just like

854
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 4: they're getting to the point where they're either going to

855
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 4: get serious, and like if I wouldn't have felt comfortable

856
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 4: with that, with knowing this information and not sharing it

857
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 4: with her at that point, if they were about to

858
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 4: like make that next initial step, like she had been

859
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 4: like they're definitely exclusive type thing, and I had already

860
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 4: seen like her like wheels turning, and I'm like, if

861
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 4: I can give you any kind of at least context

862
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 4: for what life could be outside of here, this is

863
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 4: what I know. That's not in the intention to hurt him,

864
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 4: it was just like this is what I have. I'm

865
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 4: always looking out for the for the girl and like

866
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 4: take it for what it is. But I don't think

867
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 4: it comes down to the timeline. If anything, it makes

868
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 4: more sense to do it later because that's when things

869
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 4: are getting more serious.

870
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

871
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 5: No, I agree with that. And then Aaron b pulls you.

872
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 5: So Charity and Eliza not having a chat and Aaron

873
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 5: pulls you. And from what we see, my takeaway was

874
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 5: that he was mostly mad that you didn't tell him

875
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 5: about it, which was a little bit confusing to me.

876
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 5: But how did that conversation go?

877
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 4: I mean it was just like if he had asked me,

878
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 4: I would have told him, you know, like if that.

879
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 3: I didn't think the conversation went bad.

880
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 4: He was very like fired up, and I kind of

881
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 4: wanted to just be like, hold on, I'm not against you.

882
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 3: This was not intentionally to hurt you.

883
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 4: This was like me just looking out for one of

884
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 4: my girls like that are on the speech, And that

885
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 4: was it.

886
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: And if you wanted to have a conversation.

887
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 4: About it and you'd asked me about it, I would

888
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 4: have been open and speaking with you.

889
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: But it's.

890
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 4: He's not like my girl, like she's my girl in

891
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 4: like that setting, So of course I'm going to tell

892
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 4: her and yeah, I don't know, I don't really see

893
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 4: the understand what the confusion is with that. But yeah,

894
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, it was never intentionally

895
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 4: to hurt him ever or their relationship.

896
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: I'm not.

897
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 4: I it's just if people are all talking about each

898
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 4: other's relationships. Obviously, I'm going to give some context from

899
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 4: what I know outside of the show, because we're all

900
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 4: sickly about each other.

901
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: One more hard question because this kind of this, I mean,

902
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't contradict itself a little bit as far as

903
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: like you are being a girls girl with Eliza, but

904
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: then in the same breath, Olivia's talking to John Henry

905
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: and you know me, it's.

906
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 4: Not my girl. Okay, she wasn't my friendly beage. We

907
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 4: were not Okay, we were not. I was just war

908
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 4: It's not that I did not not like her, Like

909
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 4: I kept my distance from her.

910
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: There was one you were like friendly, but.

911
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I didn't confide in her. There was one girl.

912
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 4: I'm sorry that I felt comfortable like going like, you know,

913
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 4: not really like having any kind of second thought of

914
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 4: who that she was dating. It was going to be her,

915
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 4: And that's She's not a bad person. I don't like

916
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 4: dislike her. I think she's just not somebody that like

917
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 4: I got along with necessarily on that in the beach,

918
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 4: and I had way closer friends.

919
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 5: You just didn't feel the loyalty to Olivia that you

920
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 5: did to Eliza.

921
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 4: In that situation. Yeah, where you want to, especially since

922
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 4: you know I had the information that I had. I

923
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 4: mean honestly, even with Olivia, if I had information like that,

924
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 4: I'd tell her too. But when it comes to like

925
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 4: pursuing another man that they're dating, like, yeah, Live wouldn't

926
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 4: be the first person that I'm like worried about.

927
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: And you're also not the first person to do that.

928
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, we're in here too, it's great. And

929
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 4: calling me a homihopper was we're all friends, So are

930
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 4: we all homiehopping?

931
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 3: Like I'm just confused, like like.

932
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 4: Why everything, I mean, anything I do has to be

933
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 4: like put on this microscope and it's like but every

934
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 4: single person is doing it too.

935
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: Well that's why. Yeah, that's why the rose comment in

936
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: my everybody because it's like everyone everyone's and everyone all right,

937
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: let's let's play. We're gonna play a rapid fire questions

938
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: a game you want to go, sure, just the first

939
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: thing that comes to your head.

940
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: And also easy fun. But it's not about you're.

941
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: Good, it's over, it's okay.

942
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: Are you more of an introvert or extrovert?

943
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 4: I'm definitely an extrovert. Should probably find my introvert somewhere.

944
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: What would be your go to paradise cocktail?

945
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 4: It was a tequila soda with lemon orange.

946
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 3: I have to have the orange.

947
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: What it's a good ad. What is the first thing

948
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: you would buy a few on the lottery?

949
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 4: Oh wow, I mean I would just probably spend it

950
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 4: all in like facials and botox and skincare. I don't

951
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 4: think i'd buy it on anything specifically. I'd buy myself,

952
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 4: like just my face.

953
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: What is one night on your bucket.

954
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: To see mounta Fiji? I do you want to go

955
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: to see Mountfiji.

956
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: With your air pods? What do you have any dating

957
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: deal breakers?

958
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 4: Someone who's like just not down to be like silly

959
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 4: and weird, Like if you don't get the zoomies, like

960
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 4: or if you get afraid of my zoomies, it's already morning,

961
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 4: Like that's the deal breaker through me, Like you have

962
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 4: to understand that we get zoomies, if that makes sense,

963
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 4: Joe gets love too.

964
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 5: What it's like when you just like wait, like you

965
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 5: wake up with so much energy and you're like running around.

966
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 5: You're like you're out and then you're back in and

967
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 5: then you're like jumping on the bag.

968
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 3: But like, I think human's good too.

969
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: Like you know how dogs get the zoomies, It's like human,

970
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: I just.

971
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 5: Never just learning something new about yourself?

972
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: What is your love?

973
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 4: Like, I'm all five am, I had to pick one?

974
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 3: Is quality time?

975
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: Okay? What is the first concert you've ever attended?

976
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 4: Pritney Spears? Yeah, she was. I was an obsessed with.

977
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: Are you gonna read her?

978
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 4: I am once I'm done studying for my boards. She's

979
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 4: the book I'm reading.

980
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 5: Yep, that'll be very where he needed.

981
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. What is the most important item to pack for Paradise?

982
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 4: Hands down?

983
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 3: There's nothing else.

984
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 5: What what moment from Paradise has made you laugh the hardest?

985
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: My gosh, there's so many moments, but.

986
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 4: Me getting smacked by the wave is in my brain.

987
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 4: And there was a moment right before that where I

988
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 4: also face planted the wave like took my feet out

989
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 4: and I like went into the water like I was

990
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 4: just getting wrecked that day and it was the day

991
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 4: I said I wasn't going to get my hair wet,

992
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 4: So it was just very funny.

993
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: It's that's one of my favorite memories is that day.

994
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: That is funny.

995
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 5: What moment from Paradise so far has made you cringe

996
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 5: the hardest?

997
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 4: All the comments about tongue and tongue rings and ass

998
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 4: grabbing and just like I need to just be quiet,

999
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 4: Like I am so overhearing myself to speak without a

1000
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 4: filter sometimes that anything that's in that realm I close?

1001
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: What would be? What would be?

1002
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: Then?

1003
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 5: Do you have any like watching yourself back like you're

1004
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 5: it's they say, like watching yourself actually looking in a

1005
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 5: mirror right, Like you're learning so much about yourself.

1006
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: What would you say?

1007
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 5: Like, the biggest thing you learned about yourself is whether

1008
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 5: it's like good or bad or regret.

1009
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 4: I would say looking back, even in Zach season and

1010
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 4: Paradise in general, I have learned that I don't have

1011
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 4: to always be my number one advocate. I have people

1012
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 4: I can lean on, and I don't have to always

1013
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 4: like be standing up for myself and be you know,

1014
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 4: so ready to go, like and it's something I can

1015
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 4: tell and just like my conversations.

1016
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 3: And how I handle things.

1017
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 4: I don't have any regrets because everything I did lend

1018
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,479
Speaker 4: me to where I am today. But at the same time,

1019
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 4: like I am learning, Like, yeah, there are people like

1020
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 4: colean on. It's just like I don't need you to

1021
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 4: be so like ready to like do sup you know

1022
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 4: when things happen in my life. It's just something I've

1023
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 4: I've never really I think had to like learn about

1024
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 4: myself until watching it back.

1025
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you say you you've learned that you can

1026
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 5: be less defended.

1027
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 3: There are people in my corner, I mean the only one.

1028
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great one.

1029
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Kat, thank you.

1030
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 3: This is nice. It's still anxious, but.

1031
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 4: I feel like, to be honest, it's never gonna go

1032
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 4: in it. But we're doing well and I appreciate you

1033
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 4: time to talk to me kind of just like get

1034
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:50,959
Speaker 4: my perspective of things.

1035
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 3: It's nice.

1036
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,759
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1037
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,880
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1038
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1039
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1040
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1041
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