Speaker 1: Mike is the greatest man.
Speaker 2: Mike is the best player I was against.
Speaker 3: You ain't ever faced him. You don't understand.
Speaker 1: He is truly one of the best. Michael Jorgan, I
Speaker 1: tell you I was.
Speaker 4: I was better than Mike.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for about three weeks.
Speaker 5: He was the first dude that I met, back a
Speaker 5: back up his trash.
Speaker 1: That dude to give you fifty real fast.
Speaker 6: And that's did anything coming from Mike.
Speaker 1: Mike is the best basketball player ever.
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Speaker 1: Enjoy, Oh, we appreciate you. Man.
Speaker 7: Have you ever sat down and had like a real
Speaker 7: off the camera conbo with mj Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, what is that like looking in the mirror. No,
Speaker 4: it's fun. I mean it's fun. No, we're really different.
Speaker 4: It's crazy, Like he'll he'll compete to you anything, to
Speaker 4: you y'all different, I guess. I mean, like he'll compete
Speaker 4: with any and everything.
Speaker 8: I won't.
Speaker 4: I only can people things that I really am good at. Like,
Speaker 4: I'm not just gonna compete on something you don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 4: Everything you know, he'll uh, you know, he'll talk basketball
Speaker 4: all day long and not stopping prepared. Well, what would
Speaker 4: have happened if you know my ninety one against your
Speaker 4: O three and you know, like what this is that?
Speaker 1: What would happened in your opinion? Come on, you.
Speaker 4: Can't ask him that, man.
Speaker 1: I want to know.
Speaker 7: Would have been complete dominant, would be seven game series.
Speaker 4: With what he started the conversation with was well, I
Speaker 4: would have destroyed you. You know, listen, I just I
Speaker 4: just said, listen, just remember who you're talking to. You
Speaker 4: just started laughing. He's like, I'm just messing with you.
Speaker 4: I'm just messing with you, and then we just kind
Speaker 4: of moved on. But it would been It would have
Speaker 4: been fun.
Speaker 1: That's dope, man. Just to even know that you'll had
Speaker 1: that conversation is done.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah yeah?
Speaker 7: How bad?
Speaker 1: I remember playing with you.
Speaker 7: Your whole thing is that you said I want to
Speaker 7: sit at the yeah, meaning you wanted that six ring.
Speaker 7: What did it mean not to be able to get that?
Speaker 4: Oh? It pissed me off, you know, but things are
Speaker 4: what they are. You know, you gotta you you push
Speaker 4: for a goal, and my original goal was to try
Speaker 4: to win Eat eight. And you push for it, and
Speaker 4: you push for it and you push for and you
Speaker 4: do the best you can. But at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, you can be comfortable with the results and
Speaker 4: where they landed and where they ended up, and so
Speaker 4: you know, that's the most important thing. That's why I
Speaker 4: can be really, really comfortable with the career that I've
Speaker 4: had because you're not worked as hard as you possibly could.
Speaker 7: Three time NBA Champ, NCAA Champ, James Worthy.
Speaker 9: Everybody talk about MJ's championship shot nineteen eighty three against
Speaker 9: Georgetown the championship, but you had twenty eight thirteenth to
Speaker 9: seventeen from the field. Nobody don't talk about that. It
Speaker 9: was on your shoulders. But what's your take on that? Well,
Speaker 9: you did, Joe John.
Speaker 4: You know, if you watch the uh, the Michael Jordan documentary,
Speaker 4: it was in Chicago, not that out the hair movie.
Speaker 4: I had a statement, you know, with Michael came to Caroline.
Speaker 4: I tell everybody I was I was better than Michael. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know for about three weeks. For about three weeks, man,
Speaker 4: I knew he had it. When you're an athlete and
Speaker 4: you guys are both tough. I watched you. I watched
Speaker 4: your whole career. You know, when you're when you're tough
Speaker 4: and you're not going back down from anybody, and you're
Speaker 4: gonna take him on. But then when somebody comes along
Speaker 4: that this the fucking tougher than you, they're like he
Speaker 4: was an assassin and he bullied me. He because you know,
Speaker 4: he's he sought out the best and everything. If you
Speaker 4: were the best backgaming player in the dorm, he wanted
Speaker 4: to know, if you were the best card player, he
Speaker 4: wanted to find out. And he took everything as if
Speaker 4: he was losing a game seven is losing just wasn't
Speaker 4: I didn't care what it was. He break a table,
Speaker 4: well if he lost the back gam and so he
Speaker 4: sought me out, and you know, we practiced two hours,
Speaker 4: two and a half hours. You guys know how some
Speaker 4: college practice. Are you ready to get out of there?
Speaker 4: And he would. I'd be walking off the court and
Speaker 4: he pushed, where you're going, young, young fella, That's what
Speaker 4: he called me.
Speaker 7: So you were a junior when he was juniors.
Speaker 4: Freshman year, and so yeah, you know he wanted to
Speaker 4: know and uh and throughout that year, even though I was,
Speaker 4: you know, MVP. There were some games against Virginia in
Speaker 4: the ACC tournament where Michael kept us in the game
Speaker 4: and some big shots against you know, Ralph Sampson and
Speaker 4: those guys. And then against Georgetown we only had really
Speaker 4: five players against Patrick Ewan and my home boys sleeping
Speaker 4: floor and they were tough. Uh, but Michael hit some
Speaker 4: big shots and kept us in you know. I and
Speaker 4: then at the end of the game, Coach Smith wanted
Speaker 4: me to be like a decoy.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 4: You know we had we had lost to Indiana the
Speaker 4: year before, I Siah Thomas and Bobby Knight, so getting
Speaker 4: back was special and I wanted to win or lose.
Speaker 4: He'd been punching on Mike. I beat, I beat. I
Speaker 4: would always beat. Mike doesn't Yeah, you know Zeke Zeke
Speaker 4: Ben opinionated leave alone.
Speaker 11: Man.
Speaker 4: He had a good career. It was awesome. Uh but yeah, man, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, because you know they expected me to, you know,
Speaker 4: to take the shot. You know, we running high low
Speaker 4: against their zohn. Patrick Ewhan was a beast, and I
Speaker 4: wanted to win and lose. Because Michael was a freshman.
Speaker 4: I didn't you know, I didn't know if he had
Speaker 4: it in his veins. But uh, I was to flash
Speaker 4: in the mill. Coach Smith didn't call it up like that,
Speaker 4: but he knew it would work out that way. We
Speaker 4: ran our offense properly, so we ran the high low,
Speaker 4: Sam went down low, I flashed in and three guys
Speaker 4: collapsed and Michael was wide open. Now he he didn't
Speaker 4: draw it up like that. But at the end of
Speaker 4: the time out, you know, when you're walking back on
Speaker 4: the court, Michael was one of the last guys. And
Speaker 4: I heard Coach Smith kind of if you get it,
Speaker 4: if you get it clean looking knocking it, you know,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So and yeah, he knew,
Speaker 4: he knew Michael had it in his veins. And yeah,
Speaker 4: that was the beginning. We called him Mike, Mike Jordan.
Speaker 7: Kenny said he had no handle when he came to when.
Speaker 4: He first got there. No handles, No, not well, Kenny
Speaker 4: had him.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 4: After I left, Kenny still mad at me because I
Speaker 4: recruited Kenny. He wanted to play with me and I
Speaker 4: left after my junior year. He and Brad Dougherty. But yeah,
Speaker 4: he he didn't have a lot of fundamentals when he came.
Speaker 4: I think he was a better baseball player coming out
Speaker 4: of high school. And you know, you've heard the story
Speaker 4: of him getting cut from his high school team once,
Speaker 4: so he had a lot to work on. He had
Speaker 4: raw talent, though raw talent, but when he got the
Speaker 4: fundamentals down after his fresh year and he worked at
Speaker 4: it because we had drill after drills after drills. Whatever
Speaker 4: his weakness was, he was willing to work on it,
Speaker 4: and so I can't remember him having uh. I mean,
Speaker 4: back then we ran four corners. There wasn't a twenty
Speaker 4: four second shot clock his freshman year, so he was
Speaker 4: okay at that, but I don't remember him ever having
Speaker 4: the ball handling skills that a guard has toossess.
Speaker 7: We got our brother Kenny Smith here today, your freshman
Speaker 7: year team, to name a few, Michael, Jordan, Brad Dougherty,
Speaker 7: Sam Perkins, yourself.
Speaker 1: I mean, what were those practices?
Speaker 10: Like, you know what the crazy part was that?
Speaker 7: No, that wasn't a question who was the best playoff.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that. I want to hit that one first.
Speaker 4: I want the best player.
Speaker 5: Sam Perkins was the best player my freshman year, like
Speaker 5: because Sam was a four time.
Speaker 10: All American that you know that wouldn't happen today.
Speaker 5: Any Like, first team first team for Sam was the
Speaker 5: best player. Michael was the most dynamic, but he didn't
Speaker 5: have a handle. He couldn't handle the rock like in college. No,
Speaker 5: he couldn't handle the rock.
Speaker 8: So like even even.
Speaker 5: At times I'd be like, you bet we play pick up,
Speaker 5: like I got Mike, You're like because I know, I'm like,
Speaker 5: I'm get up under you, like you can't.
Speaker 1: Handle the rock, and uh what happened?
Speaker 7: And then and then.
Speaker 5: He's the only guy that I know that his weaknesses
Speaker 5: that he had at the end of his career was
Speaker 5: a stress. The only person I've ever Lebron's not like that,
Speaker 5: KD No, nobody. He's the only one I did. His
Speaker 5: handle was crazy and his jump shot was pure. I said,
Speaker 5: how do you miss a jump shot? You got a
Speaker 5: perfect for him. But we talked about it, and I
Speaker 5: was like, this is not competitive. We talked about competitive
Speaker 5: with Mike. So I used to say, I was like,
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, you think you could go It's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: because your handles wack.
Speaker 10: I used to say, your handle's whack. I could guard you,
Speaker 10: and like blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: So now we're doing that, were playing. He goes to
Speaker 5: the Olympics, comes back, goes to the League, comes back
Speaker 5: for the summer because all the players, with every North
Speaker 5: Carolina player came. We all come back and play. So
Speaker 5: the gym is the doodles like it's like any NBA team.
Speaker 5: We would beat like in that gym without question. And
Speaker 5: he's my moment, he's gone, I'm like, damn gang out.
Speaker 10: He's like, my handle, been working on it, but.
Speaker 4: I forgot accept that.
Speaker 1: I really forgot.
Speaker 5: I said it, and he's like, my handle, right, you're
Speaker 5: talking about my handle. But he was like the stories
Speaker 5: are true about his competitiveness. Like we were we were
Speaker 5: playing cup one day. So this is when you knew
Speaker 5: you made I made I made it too. Because the
Speaker 5: juniors and seniors, you know, even at y'all school probably
Speaker 5: picked the team.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yes, right straight out of high school went
Speaker 7: to Mexico, right.
Speaker 4: So they picked I don't get. This's how we do it.
Speaker 5: So the pros go on one hand and they players
Speaker 5: college players on the other, and then you pick your team. Yep,
Speaker 5: but you could you could pick the pros across over.
Speaker 5: You could cross over. So Michael and or Sam whoever,
Speaker 5: they were senior leaders and junior leaders, they picked the team.
Speaker 5: And the first day, you know, you know, as a freshman.
Speaker 5: You're just sitting they're not picking you. So you get
Speaker 5: on the quarter end. So about two weeks later, a
Speaker 5: bout a week later, uh, Michaels picking and he's like,
Speaker 5: I got I got New York. They used to call
Speaker 5: me New York. I got New York. It's like, oh shit,
Speaker 5: I got picked first. He was like, first, it's twenty
Speaker 5: pros in the gym.
Speaker 8: I was like, oh, it's case.
Speaker 5: I was like, so my my confidence was boost So
Speaker 5: now we're playing right, and we went in. We went
Speaker 5: in games and so every time we win, you know,
Speaker 5: you go get water. And I'm watching Mike and he's
Speaker 5: standing in the middle of center court.
Speaker 10: I'm like, I walk up, like, yo, what are you doing.
Speaker 5: He's like, I want the mother because to know that
Speaker 5: I'm never leaving the court. I'm gonna be the use
Speaker 5: to stand here at last.
Speaker 10: I was like, all right, so.
Speaker 4: We both.
Speaker 5: How we I mean, he was like, I mean, he
Speaker 5: was the first dude that I met.
Speaker 13: That could back up his trash like every day every day,
Speaker 13: always a talker, always a talker, and always backed it
Speaker 13: up though, like and he really took more pride, especially
Speaker 13: than his defense.
Speaker 5: He's like Walter Davis. You're not scoring today. You're not
Speaker 5: scoring today, Walter Davis like he That's the type of
Speaker 5: energy he was on all the time he and when
Speaker 5: he when he got to the league. So we had dorms,
Speaker 5: and our dorm numbers don't change. So if you had
Speaker 5: dorm number eight, it's the same phone number next year.
Speaker 10: You're just a different person.
Speaker 5: So so all of when he comes in town, this
Speaker 5: is before the Instagram, and you'd hear the phones go
Speaker 5: bring and somebody hang up bring and you just hear
Speaker 5: going out.
Speaker 10: So it's him and all he say is schools in session, schoo.
Speaker 1: So everybody come in the hallway, like Mike's here, Mike's here, right, Mike.
Speaker 5: So he go and he called each room to let
Speaker 5: her know come to the gym. School in session, so
Speaker 5: the gym would be packed. We got four thousand people
Speaker 5: watching our pickup games.
Speaker 4: That's crazy, four thousand.
Speaker 1: That's dopest hell. It was. It was.
Speaker 5: It was unbelievable that time basketball was a different There
Speaker 5: was no Charlotte Hornets. So like people would and this
Speaker 5: is no social media, and people that.
Speaker 1: All hold campsites word them.
Speaker 5: Out and they would be for it would be four
Speaker 5: thousand people when he came in that gym.
Speaker 7: Good old, I mean obviously with his competitiveness and his
Speaker 7: desire to get better at a young age, did you
Speaker 7: see him possibly being a great I.
Speaker 10: Knew he would be great.
Speaker 5: I never thought he'd be the greatest because when I
Speaker 5: first saw him, and then when I saw him when
Speaker 5: we even in practice, like you don't like, I guess
Speaker 5: it's like have a.
Speaker 10: Buutiful wife and you like take it for granted.
Speaker 4: Because he there every day.
Speaker 10: You see, you see it every moment.
Speaker 5: You know, you see every moment you know a beautiful
Speaker 5: person you're around. You see their bad side too, you
Speaker 5: see the days that they're in the mood. So for him,
Speaker 5: I saw those moments and I was like, but then
Speaker 5: when he when he left and he came back, I
Speaker 5: saw that the energy that he put into his game,
Speaker 5: like he never stopped working. Man Like his stelf is
Speaker 5: not an accident. Like it's not like, oh he was gifted. No,
Speaker 5: he was the most fundamentally sound player that ever played
Speaker 5: the game. If you watch the videos, his his left
Speaker 5: handed is in the correct paths and lane.
Speaker 10: His footwork is unapeckable.
Speaker 5: The offensively you know, his jab step is he's the
Speaker 5: always ball, moved, beat, stay still like all of those
Speaker 5: things were all the time. And then he was the
Speaker 5: best athlete. Most guys who were athletic didn't rely on that.
Speaker 5: You know, his greatest even you know, and this is
Speaker 5: not a not but his greatest Claude Drexler was. That
Speaker 5: was the difference between him and Mike. To me, it's
Speaker 5: just the fundamentals of job step and that's, you know,
Speaker 5: the stuff that Dean Smith learned. But uh, and it
Speaker 5: Mike gets a lot of credit for, like his quotes,
Speaker 5: but it's just Dean Smith's quotes. It's stolen. It's just
Speaker 5: he just adds, explicits everything everything that Coach Smith said
Speaker 5: to us, That's what Mike said. Every know you you
Speaker 5: can pull it. It's every interview. It's plagiarism to the fire.
Speaker 1: Let's welcome to the show.
Speaker 7: Lawrence Taylor, what do you remember about the pickup games
Speaker 7: of North Carolina on the basketball court?
Speaker 14: I mean you were in school with somebody. Let me
Speaker 14: tell you something. Hey, look we get back in the day.
Speaker 14: We used to dad going to go out there and
Speaker 14: play and play.
Speaker 1: And and I remember.
Speaker 14: For the the intermediate Uh yeah, yeah, we won the
Speaker 14: championship because you know, but we was disqualified because we cheated.
Speaker 14: But you know we ain't really cheat. One of our
Speaker 14: players he was actually he wasn't actually in school. Yeah,
Speaker 14: technicality against that. But I used to go out there
Speaker 14: and play with all the boys, I mean, Jordan James Worthy,
Speaker 14: all those guys that I used to go.
Speaker 1: Out there and play.
Speaker 10: And what was.
Speaker 4: Your game like?
Speaker 14: Well, see the problem is I couldn't hit nothing from
Speaker 14: like thirty five feet but thirty one.
Speaker 1: Thirty is it?
Speaker 14: And they used to say they just say, let's say,
Speaker 14: well I could, I could, I could shoot the ball.
Speaker 14: I'm alf in the decent in defense, I already got
Speaker 14: mad because they only give you six files.
Speaker 4: Garden getting more.
Speaker 7: Than six fis I need more than six.
Speaker 15: Imagine somebody imagine you having more than six pounds dead.
Speaker 1: Lt is on me.
Speaker 7: I'm passing that bitch. Cut it out, someone else do something.
Speaker 14: I love the years that Carolina. I think it's one
Speaker 14: of the best schools far as getting meeting people and
Speaker 14: and and and.
Speaker 1: Just that the whole preparing you for life.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, because I've been to a lot of ship
Speaker 14: and the lot of ship that Carolina, you know, been
Speaker 14: threatened that I may listened one year. Okay, I'm not
Speaker 14: gonna tell you.
Speaker 1: Come on, going in too much.
Speaker 14: Senior year and we're out and some of my boys
Speaker 14: and stuff, and they got this big old fest of
Speaker 14: own stuff, right. So we go to the festival because
Speaker 14: it's right there at Aaron House. And we go to
Speaker 14: the festival and a couple of my boys stole a
Speaker 14: couple of items from the festival. So they gave him
Speaker 14: to me the whole because like, you know, ain'tbody gonna
Speaker 14: fuck Maybe I mean sall my language, but anybody gonna
Speaker 14: mess with me. So I sit there and I held
Speaker 14: the ambers and then all of a sudden, the the
Speaker 14: the lady that's what the ta or whatever that that
Speaker 14: the lady is, she came over there and started fussing,
Speaker 14: arguing stuff like that. Anyway, I got sent to what
Speaker 14: back in college, uh to court, Uh you know the
Speaker 14: campus court, CA.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 14: So I got sent there, me and a couple of
Speaker 14: mother boys. And so what they did is I wasn't
Speaker 14: allowed to stay on South campus anymore, you know. So
Speaker 14: I wasn't allowed to stay on Stamp campus. And you
Speaker 14: know this going into my senior year and I'm worried
Speaker 14: about if I'm gonna be able to.
Speaker 10: Play my senior year.
Speaker 14: So decided, you know, he can play, He's just not
Speaker 14: allowed to be on South campus.
Speaker 1: Okay, So they put us.
Speaker 14: On in a building on North campus, fourth story building,
Speaker 14: and it was four of us guys.
Speaker 4: For the We all had a floor.
Speaker 14: I could stay on the first floor that somebody else
Speaker 14: got stay on the second, four, third, fourth, greatest segment.
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, so you got in trouble and
Speaker 7: it got better.
Speaker 1: Oh God, the greatest.
Speaker 14: Take a girl hey, and it was a girl's dormitory
Speaker 14: right across now, greatest.
Speaker 1: It was one time the trouble was that wouldn't worked
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 7: All trouble turns into gold. I'll tell you speak to
Speaker 7: your friendship. Obviously every week you got a good relationship
Speaker 7: with Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1: But how does that start?
Speaker 7: And how is it in one of those golf matches,
Speaker 7: like I know you guys both being very competitive.
Speaker 14: Well, Mike, when I actually my senior year, not my
Speaker 14: senior right after I seen my rookie year in and
Speaker 14: at the Giants. Mike came to school that year. So
Speaker 14: I came back to finish up school that summer and
Speaker 14: so he was playing with the team practice and with
Speaker 14: the team, and and uh, what's the coach? Same Dean
Speaker 14: Smith allowed me to practice with him, right, he allowed
Speaker 14: me to practice, and Mike was always every time I
Speaker 14: turned around, he just taked.
Speaker 8: Hey call him foul, foul, foule file.
Speaker 14: I just hit you a little bit, Come on, man.
Speaker 14: So every time Mike had the ball, I wanted guard.
Speaker 14: I wanted to guard Mike.
Speaker 9: Because he was then it was the paint fre you
Speaker 9: guns I am because I know Michael was dropping you off.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, he's gonna drop me off. But he's gonna
Speaker 14: drop me off of a little something in his egg
Speaker 14: gonna Yeah, I'm gonna throw something now. So you know,
Speaker 14: I'm not saying that I'm a fair player.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying I'm a player.
Speaker 14: I'm not saying but hey, we used to have a
Speaker 14: great time doing that. And he is, truly, you know,
Speaker 14: one of the best. But I'm the best when I
Speaker 14: come to when it comes to fouling.
Speaker 1: Though, I would you dun't?
Speaker 14: You can't ask that question, could I dunk?
Speaker 4: How you want it?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 8: How you want it?
Speaker 10: Okay, how you want it?
Speaker 1: I know I heard it. I heard you want it back.
Speaker 1: What's all that said?
Speaker 14: I could do anything I wanted to your way.
Speaker 9: I was an athlete, man, Yeah yeah, I mean I
Speaker 9: was in the NBA and I couldn't do half that ship.
Speaker 1: So I had to ask, I couldn't do it?
Speaker 7: How did how did golf come into your game? And
Speaker 7: obviously you guys have heard legendary stories about just the
Speaker 7: competitives with you two on the golf course.
Speaker 14: Mike, it's competitive in anything he do. Okay, listen, he
Speaker 14: does nothing half ass nothing.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't.
Speaker 14: I don't care if it's if it's if it's shooting marbles.
Speaker 14: He does nothing half ass. You know, he won't sit
Speaker 14: beat the best at everything he does and pretty.
Speaker 1: Much is.
Speaker 7: Welcome to the show regimember. So obviously your ship talking
Speaker 7: is so legendary. You're one of the very few and
Speaker 7: maybe the only person that got in got into a
Speaker 7: fight with Kobe and MJ.
Speaker 1: What kind of homewor did you do for both them? Dudes?
Speaker 9: I just think they got in the fights because they
Speaker 9: got tired of chasing this nigga.
Speaker 3: Like, man, slow down, man, you got that.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 16: I've been waiting, Okay, yeah, I've been waiting because people
Speaker 16: always ask me, and I've been waiting for the right
Speaker 16: forum to tell the story.
Speaker 1: Welcome to death Rope. I mean, we're honored. We will
Speaker 1: start with the MJ fight. Shall we watch them? We
Speaker 1: shall a little trip down memory.
Speaker 6: But you gotta go back, gotta go back to when
Speaker 6: they have the ball.
Speaker 1: So go back, go back, old on. He got to
Speaker 1: pull the whole clip up, the whole clip up. Here
Speaker 1: we go.
Speaker 16: Yeah, so this is it. Watch this one two. I'm like, okay.
Speaker 16: I tried to get him there and he got out
Speaker 16: the way. So I was like, all right, tipping, I'm
Speaker 16: going straight to him.
Speaker 1: Let him know.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 16: I had to hurry up and turn around because I
Speaker 16: don't want him to come in like choke hold being
Speaker 16: he tried to rake you. So I'm like, okay, we
Speaker 16: both get into we get into this. He scrapes my
Speaker 16: eye like I can't.
Speaker 11: See, like he was trying to scratch it.
Speaker 1: I saw him, right, So all this goes down. This
Speaker 1: is in ms A, by the way, this is it.
Speaker 1: We're at home.
Speaker 16: We are at home and Marcus Square Arena playing Michael Jordan's.
Speaker 1: So this ship goes down.
Speaker 16: Ronnie Nune, Yeah, that.
Speaker 1: Little comes in breaks it all up. They huddle up.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, okay, so back in the day, a lot
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 16: Look at this, scratch, scratch the crap out of me
Speaker 16: fifteen face, look at this.
Speaker 1: But look I'm holding them and controlling it.
Speaker 16: I'm like, okay, but you ain't going anywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those pull ups break stadium.
Speaker 16: So I'm thinking, okay, maybe we'll get double technicols.
Speaker 1: Maybe if I get.
Speaker 6: Thrown out, he's gonna get thrown out.
Speaker 1: We both are throwing Jess curseyes man. Okay, Jess had
Speaker 1: a fresh do for the game, was clean. So just
Speaker 1: you got kicked out the game. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: That's wowches No. Three.
Speaker 2: They ain't never throwing Mike, who's free throws right now?
Speaker 1: You found him rich.
Speaker 7: They thought Mike got no motherfucking game.
Speaker 16: In our in our building, maybe Chicago, in our building.
Speaker 7: He's shooting the technicals too.
Speaker 1: God damn forty five on us.
Speaker 16: Not that he wouldn't have scored forty five with me
Speaker 16: in the game, but ship give me a chance in
Speaker 16: our building.
Speaker 9: MJ threw three punch in the league and then get
Speaker 9: kicked out the game.
Speaker 16: The next day, I got a one game suspension.
Speaker 1: You got kicked out any game suspension and he got
Speaker 1: three games? So why did he get three games? Then
Speaker 1: right and kicked out in the game. Wow, So they
Speaker 1: let him play the game.
Speaker 7: The suspended three game and then suspended us. And that's
Speaker 7: what they did me. At the San Francisco prom Come on.
Speaker 2: Man, mix in town.
Speaker 7: Max said, when Mike kame to Houston, all his women
Speaker 7: started working.
Speaker 1: Here's the here's the thing, man, you woill see these
Speaker 1: you woill see you know, you go out to a
Speaker 1: club or whatever, bar, whatever, and you see these same chicks.
Speaker 16: Real regular you come to a bulls game. Why are
Speaker 16: you dressed like it's Sunday church?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 7: I told you about this.
Speaker 2: Mike come to your city is coming out right, and
Speaker 2: they think they're gonna getting married. Hit one of them things.
Speaker 2: It's gonna get hit by Mike.
Speaker 1: Of my whole career. One thing I wish a regret.
Speaker 16: And you know people will say I wish we would
Speaker 16: have had I would have had more than one series
Speaker 16: versus dude.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I would have won.
Speaker 6: You would have won, probably not.
Speaker 1: But you're judged like wins. I won a few battles.
Speaker 16: He always won the wars He's got six of them
Speaker 16: and we took them seven games.
Speaker 1: I just wish we.
Speaker 16: Would have had I wish I could have gone against
Speaker 16: him more. Yeah, and I don't want people jumping on
Speaker 16: the internet. I'm not saying we would have beat them.
Speaker 16: I would if I would have been the same thing.
Speaker 11: But man, I want to see I got confident.
Speaker 16: I want to see how I am versus that dude
Speaker 16: thing too, you know, I want to see how I
Speaker 16: am versus that dude.
Speaker 7: He obviously had a lot of respect and spoke highly
Speaker 7: of you, But what was different when you played a
Speaker 7: game against him and the bulls.
Speaker 1: I can only speak for myself. I can't speak for Max.
Speaker 16: There was no weaknesses. Try to force them left, you
Speaker 16: try to force them right, You try to top lock them,
Speaker 16: you try to hold, you try to be physical with him.
Speaker 16: I I equated to like this. It was like and
Speaker 16: maybe this is how sinners feel when they were going
Speaker 16: against Shack.
Speaker 1: He was Shack of shooting guards. I don't care.
Speaker 16: There was no way you can get around them, in
Speaker 16: front of them.
Speaker 1: He was just too strong.
Speaker 16: And then he had a forty eight inch vertical, so
Speaker 16: there you were never blocking his shot and he could
Speaker 16: stop on a die his handles, and then he held
Speaker 16: the ball like it was like an orange.
Speaker 6: So he's tawning you holding the ball on your face.
Speaker 16: The tongue is all out and shit and showing the
Speaker 16: fucking gum and all that shit.
Speaker 6: And then come down.
Speaker 16: The black eyes are looking at you, and I'm looking
Speaker 16: right back at it, and I'm the fuck I ain't
Speaker 16: going anywhere, and he's looking at you, and man, no weaknesses, none, zero.
Speaker 1: I could look. I loveday. I'm watching.
Speaker 16: I'm always trying to find a tail, and I found
Speaker 16: a tail on everyone.
Speaker 6: I could not find a tail.
Speaker 16: Not one damn Like, Okay, if he goes left x
Speaker 16: amount of times, what is his percentages?
Speaker 1: Great? Right?
Speaker 16: Great, step back great, great, great, rebounding great, passing great.
Speaker 1: You can't punk him. I'm trying to find something.
Speaker 16: So it's almost like ship by committee there, key, I mean.
Speaker 2: We got to get some help down this motherfucker. Come on,
Speaker 2: come on now, I've been calling to crowd to bed.
Speaker 9: That's the toughest shouting basketball, which is the fight away.
Speaker 9: He shot that ship, I mean high clip at the toughest.
Speaker 1: Cannot block it. You can't get it.
Speaker 16: But see fade away and it's at forty eight inches.
Speaker 2: When it got to learn how to put his back
Speaker 2: to the basket and get in that post.
Speaker 7: That's what he got.
Speaker 1: Then got he would do the one.
Speaker 17: Yeah, he get that.
Speaker 1: He get that.
Speaker 16: Him and maybe maxkinis hast to this picking rolls. Don't
Speaker 16: let your big be one step to he split and
Speaker 16: then now it's up to dyl and Antonio alone.
Speaker 4: Here's your problem.
Speaker 1: Now he splits. But then when you would extend him.
Speaker 16: To half court, he would get this shoulder or this
Speaker 16: shoulder which way he was coming off, and get under
Speaker 16: the big and then it's downhill. So now if you're trailing,
Speaker 16: as shooting guards are, you got to get under and
Speaker 16: then he's put and on top of that he can shoot.
Speaker 1: He can shoot. They talked about it.
Speaker 9: I've seen a lot of videos about his leticism, but
Speaker 9: I seen the video recently and when he got a
Speaker 9: till ball and they passed on them, he went up
Speaker 9: a vertical on Charles Barker.
Speaker 1: That ship was so bad. I'm like, that's another thing
Speaker 1: that people don't understand.
Speaker 16: Not only could he he's known for, you know, the
Speaker 16: two handed, but he could one leg to either leg too, Yeah,
Speaker 16: either leg, like it was and be out till four
Speaker 16: or five five o'clock in the morning, smoking, drinking whatever.
Speaker 18: Yeah, car, yes, all this shit games at seven, seven thirty.
Speaker 19: Sometime he'll go play golf the same day he played.
Speaker 16: Man, it's almost like he was trying to make it fair.
Speaker 7: Let me go get a buzz into some heat strokes.
Speaker 7: You guys can have a chance to know.
Speaker 1: Didn't have a tail, guys, and you know it. You
Speaker 1: hear it all the time.
Speaker 16: Who's the goat, who's the greatest and all that between
Speaker 16: you know him and Lebron. And I try to stay
Speaker 16: away from that because I went against Lebron.
Speaker 1: His first year. He was a rookie my last year,
Speaker 1: so I don't have no point of reference.
Speaker 16: But I will say Lebron has the greatest career.
Speaker 1: I say it all the time. He has the greatest career.
Speaker 1: But Mike is the best basketball player ever. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the Show.
Speaker 7: Only the eighth player to average twenty five points ten
Speaker 7: consecutive seasons, nine time All Stars, seven time All NBA
Speaker 7: retire when he retired, the seventh leading score at the
Speaker 7: time twenty over twenty six thousand points. But again, that's
Speaker 7: something we touched on the credit and the respect because
Speaker 7: you were going head to head with MJ a lot
Speaker 7: of times but got the better of him a lot
Speaker 7: of times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a bad man. He was good. You
Speaker 1: know what.
Speaker 8: I found this.
Speaker 3: Out early, I would say about a couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: and didn't realize that he and I was only two
Speaker 3: fold in the NBA history that average thirty against one
Speaker 3: another our whole career, for a whole career.
Speaker 1: Really, you had to man.
Speaker 3: I had to get thirty against him on there too.
Speaker 1: He was a man.
Speaker 7: And you shot nearly fifty percent while doing it by
Speaker 7: average thirty.
Speaker 1: And that's a lot of things.
Speaker 3: People don't realize the efficiency that I score with that
Speaker 3: I didn't take thirty shots in May twelve, you know,
Speaker 3: and especially in that era with the physicality and you're
Speaker 3: getting hit in touch and still they able to be
Speaker 3: that efficient.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it says a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, MJ was.
Speaker 7: Do you have a battle that comes to mind when
Speaker 7: you I mean, obviously you guys played a ton of times.
Speaker 3: I've said this many times, you know, people heard me
Speaker 3: say this. I think I scored fifty seven in Atlanta
Speaker 3: and I didn't play the fourth court and we went
Speaker 3: back to Chicago. A little while later and we're in
Speaker 3: the locker room suiting time. MJ walks down the locker
Speaker 3: room shuitting time. I'm saying, in your yeah, I'm just
Speaker 3: coming out, Like what are you coming in there for?
Speaker 3: Like he come in the training room or something weaker.
Speaker 3: He walks by me, walks by Cavill to get the
Speaker 3: Randy Whitman and taps him on the ass. They said,
Speaker 3: lay him up, it's going to be a long night.
Speaker 3: And turns to walk out, and I.
Speaker 1: Ain't know what to say. I'm shocked.
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, you tell that somebody, Scottie Pippin, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna kick his ass.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to say.
Speaker 3: Man, you know, I'm like, I'm blown away.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: He had sixty that night?
Speaker 1: What you do?
Speaker 3: We we won the game? Ye had sixty that night.
Speaker 3: I had a hell of a game. But he had sixty, bro,
Speaker 3: And when it wasn't like no, like it was a
Speaker 3: hard sixty either. The way he was scoring, he was
Speaker 3: like he was on a miss. I think he was
Speaker 3: like pissed off that I had fifty seven, you know
Speaker 3: a few days before, and he went crazy.
Speaker 7: But I said it loud enough so you could hear
Speaker 7: it too, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it's it really set up the games
Speaker 3: we played against each other our career. You know, game
Speaker 3: I'll have forty three here forty one, or he'll have
Speaker 3: forty six and I have forty. I mean it was
Speaker 3: go like that all the time, battles.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: He was a hard man to beat. That team was
Speaker 3: so good though, That team was that was That team
Speaker 3: was made up of a bunch of great great role
Speaker 3: play and I think Scottie Pippen I have a lot
Speaker 3: of respect for. I think he's one of the greatest
Speaker 3: role players they ever played this game. Yeah, he probably
Speaker 3: the best, Yeah, they ever played this game. And so
Speaker 3: he was a great compliment to Jordan.
Speaker 9: It's so hard for a lot of players, especially in
Speaker 9: Mike's era, to give him his props.
Speaker 1: Why is it so easy for you to give him
Speaker 1: his props?
Speaker 3: And if you ain't ever faced them, you don't understand.
Speaker 3: If you ain't ever faced Mike on, you can't make
Speaker 3: that comment.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Man, I played against some of the most hard nosed,
Speaker 3: talented players ever played this game. He was a phenomenon
Speaker 3: and he had attitude with it. I mean he was
Speaker 3: when you played against Mike. His eyes are bloodshot red
Speaker 3: every game, like he was possessed. And I just sitting
Speaker 3: there and said, I got to go work tonight because
Speaker 3: Jesus is coming, you know. And so he and I,
Speaker 3: you know, we had so much respect. But I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you when I knew how good he was. When
Speaker 3: we was in college. I was a junior, he was
Speaker 3: a freshman. Were playing Carolina and the first time James
Speaker 3: Worthy and I had a chance to play against one
Speaker 3: another since high school. In high school, we we came
Speaker 3: out the same area but never played against others. So
Speaker 3: that Carolina game we played, were going back and forth.
Speaker 3: Or the first player of the game, I went up
Speaker 3: and I caught you know, Worthy's finger roll and I
Speaker 3: wanted to, you know, set the tone. I threw it
Speaker 3: like six rod in the stands.
Speaker 8: You know this goal, We're gonna go.
Speaker 10: We gotta come.
Speaker 3: And the game was back and forth the whole game.
Speaker 3: Close Worthy with having the hell of a game. I
Speaker 3: was having the hell of a game. In the last
Speaker 3: two minutes of the game, a young kid named Michael
Speaker 3: Jordan took over by himself.
Speaker 1: A freshman.
Speaker 3: He's a I said, I was like, who is this kid?
Speaker 3: Right here, man, And so I knew I knew this
Speaker 3: he was gonna be a great pro. I didn't know
Speaker 3: he gonna be that good of a pro. And but
Speaker 3: that's kind of set at the tone for me and
Speaker 3: my thoughts of what I saw. And because, like I said,
Speaker 3: if you hadn't played against Mike, you have no clue.
Speaker 3: You have no clue how good he is.
Speaker 1: Honor to have you on the show today. The one
Speaker 1: and only Craig.
Speaker 7: Hodges talk to me about the one time you guys
Speaker 7: are finishing up the season against Miami, right and you're
Speaker 7: going to see him in the first round of the
Speaker 7: playoffs exactly.
Speaker 20: We're playing in Miami and were rolling at this time.
Speaker 20: The system is system is really playing for itself. And
Speaker 20: that's the cool part about the system. Once you get
Speaker 20: into it, you just come to games. Man, you didne
Speaker 20: did it so much and it flows. So we're going
Speaker 20: to shoot around and we're leaving shoot around and we're
Speaker 20: on the bus and them JS like, man, drop me
Speaker 20: off here and drop him off at the bar. He say,
Speaker 20: you gonna have some beers, right, Huh sayn have beers?
Speaker 20: The okay, gonna have some beers. So he tells us
Speaker 20: to pick him up on the way back to the game.
Speaker 8: We picked him up.
Speaker 20: He still got his sweats on, you know, MJ. Come
Speaker 20: the game shooting and boot it all right, still got
Speaker 20: his sweats on. Pick us up, you get on the bus. Yeah, man,
Speaker 20: feeling good, right, bubbly gets me to be on it.
Speaker 20: Got thirty at half all right, going through warm ups.
Speaker 8: Man, I'm seeing three rams.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna show that to one in the middle.
Speaker 20: Okay, that's hard, okay, and then told us if y'all
Speaker 20: can't beat him, we don't need to win a championship.
Speaker 20: Y'all can beat him without me. But came in there
Speaker 20: and he got it done hurly. And when sat down, we're.
Speaker 7: Standing talking to KG and the next thing, Jr.
Speaker 1: Is there.
Speaker 7: Hey, one of my favorite stories, you told one of
Speaker 7: my idols is the story with this man that's coming
Speaker 7: in right now.
Speaker 1: With my show. Yes, sure, hey, Extezu nudge all my
Speaker 1: idols burn guy.
Speaker 8: Rider, big bro right here, boy, Hey, y'all.
Speaker 7: Don't even know many.
Speaker 8: This is my god right here, this is my god your.
Speaker 7: Favorite stories And if you guys missed it, you're gonna
Speaker 7: get it today. So you guys were playing bulls in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: No, we was in Chicago, Chicago. It's my first time
Speaker 1: back to the store. You got it.
Speaker 21: We're back in Chicago. I told you, I got like
Speaker 21: twenty games under my belt. I figured it out. I
Speaker 21: got my little rhythm. Jayall's All Star for him and
Speaker 21: Chrystal Laighton. But we back in Chicago, so I'm just
Speaker 21: fresh out of high school. We get back and I
Speaker 21: got like three hundred, probably about three hundred guys in
Speaker 21: the joint, you know, just they in the house.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 21: I got them right here too. They're like a little
Speaker 21: bowl right here, so I can see everybody coaching everybody.
Speaker 21: So I'm just in a different energy. My teammate got
Speaker 21: crashed out and Ronnie, you remember Ronnie. Ronnie was in
Speaker 21: a bad crash. So I didn't really get no sleep.
Speaker 21: So I'm running on fumes anyway. Start the game, and yeah,
Speaker 21: I'm having a decent game, and yeah I'm just feeling good.
Speaker 21: I'm just being honest, like we're on some young wow
Speaker 21: shit out here.
Speaker 1: You feel me?
Speaker 21: And then that whole thing man uh Jr. And it
Speaker 21: kind of going at it. But Jay y'all winning that
Speaker 21: you know, he's holding his own. So I'm just feeling good.
Speaker 21: Come out to Tom out and I'm just like, hey, man,
Speaker 21: keep going you know what I'm saying, saying you too, man,
Speaker 21: So I go, Man, you're killing the small fucker man,
Speaker 21: like you know what I'm saying. I'm gonna come down
Speaker 21: and I'm just throwing some I'm just throwing some ship.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: He can't figure out what's going on.
Speaker 8: I'm actually trying to help you, Like, dog, can you
Speaker 8: get the phone on you? Okay?
Speaker 18: I'm like, Lord, it was hidden ones I've never heard before,
Speaker 18: music I've never heard before.
Speaker 1: Said I said, let me just turn it off. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going you need a minute.
Speaker 7: Him and him and m J are going at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they going at it.
Speaker 21: But in the time I would come out, you know,
Speaker 21: if I'm being honest, it was just it just in
Speaker 21: the rhythm of the game. So it ain't really nothing
Speaker 21: too crazy. But he got it going. So I'm just
Speaker 21: doing something, keep going tight whatever, right because we know
Speaker 21: it's the bulls. So this is when they was the bulls.
Speaker 21: So as we going into it, I was like, man,
Speaker 21: keep killing that motherfucker.
Speaker 11: Man woo.
Speaker 21: So I just get on by myself. He understand I'm young,
Speaker 21: and wow he let me yeah yeah, yeah. So when
Speaker 21: I go off, he like, so I hear him and
Speaker 21: MJ talking like yeah, and then ain't nobody really saying
Speaker 21: that the mic like this? You know, Mike's so heavily
Speaker 21: respected that you know what I'm saying. So I'm just
Speaker 21: on some young bo I'm like, yeah, so I doubled
Speaker 21: back ball ain't out yet?
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 21: So when I came back with it, yeah, keep kicking
Speaker 21: his ass and then try to get out of He
Speaker 21: was like, what is this saying? And then he was like, noah,
Speaker 21: he don't know how we you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 21: So he was like, nigga, y'all better. And then I
Speaker 21: started them get a little extra aggressive with the conversation.
Speaker 21: Was like, oh shit, what So he was like, hold on,
Speaker 21: don't look at me, and that's all I heard you say.
Speaker 21: And when I said that, I saw studying body language
Speaker 21: and yeah the rest is history.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Crazy. What did he say to get you in the
Speaker 1: hot seat? Nah? Nah, no, no, no.
Speaker 21: He was asking. He he asked me. He asked y'all
Speaker 21: what I said. And then Jay y'all said he repeated,
Speaker 21: he said, and then he kind of looked at me
Speaker 21: and kind of put the hands on the hill, like
Speaker 21: what did you say? I said, nigga, keep kicking his ass.
Speaker 21: You busting this motherfucking ass and adapted. When we dapto
Speaker 21: and I had to go, you know, I went back
Speaker 21: over MG, had you repeat it? He said, what he's shaped?
Speaker 21: Then he said he was.
Speaker 18: Right there, that's the that's the PG version, right, I
Speaker 18: mean the reguard version is yeah. I mean I used
Speaker 18: to have good games against Mike. I was quiet though,
Speaker 18: fact right, because you don't want to make Mike up.
Speaker 18: So he asked me prior to playing against the Bulls,
Speaker 18: like how you be doing against Mike. I'm like, I
Speaker 18: get my twenty three, twenty four, twenty five, twenty six,
Speaker 18: is you know what I mean?
Speaker 11: I hold my own all my own.
Speaker 18: So we're playing and going to the four. I got
Speaker 18: about nineteen something like that. I'm having I'm having a
Speaker 18: good right on pace.
Speaker 11: I'm having a good game right right on Pays.
Speaker 8: I'm watching it and.
Speaker 11: He in Chicago. He's serving Scottie.
Speaker 18: He's really all around in that game, one of his
Speaker 18: breakout games.
Speaker 1: I feel point Scotty, so I'm dashed. I got Scotty
Speaker 1: in the stands.
Speaker 11: Yeah, he was on some the Chicago Oakland ship.
Speaker 1: He was hyped.
Speaker 18: To the roof talking and it's quiet. He said, man,
Speaker 18: you keep going that, Mike, and keep going at that
Speaker 18: motherfucker and Mike right there.
Speaker 1: And we've been hyped all game, you know.
Speaker 10: Ship.
Speaker 1: I went based like dunked on Mike.
Speaker 18: And I think robbing right, you know, right, he came
Speaker 18: through the middle, dumk dom Loop Loop Louke Longley, nasty
Speaker 18: and this way. Yeah, we was we was we was
Speaker 18: talking ship, slapping hands, you know, we weren't quiet.
Speaker 8: We was having this right.
Speaker 21: We're young, wow but young and wow but but okay.
Speaker 18: Order had time amount the store. Yeah, absolutely, quickly walk
Speaker 18: out the time out. Man, you keep killing this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Man. I hear him right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I hear you.
Speaker 8: So I'm looking hear me back when he'll do.
Speaker 18: That, and I'm like, you keep killing mother fuck he
Speaker 18: can't funk with you, dog. I was like, I was like, right.
Speaker 1: Right, right, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: Mike standing with a fly? Was it, by the way,
Speaker 8: right right, young dude.
Speaker 18: This is my third season, this is first season. So
Speaker 18: I'm young too. I'm with the ship, you know what
Speaker 18: I mean. And that's how I played. So we we
Speaker 18: vibe right away, you know what I mean. So, but
Speaker 18: I'm like, man, this Mike Man. I grew up on
Speaker 18: Mike Man. I remember seventh grade having his shoes on
Speaker 18: stuff like that. That dude to give you fifty real fast, right,
Speaker 18: So I'm like, uh right, right then he doubled down,
Speaker 18: triple down. I think, say it again, Man strong for
Speaker 18: this motherfucker right, keep killing this motherfucker man right, and you.
Speaker 11: Know kg B, you know he right here, you hear me,
Speaker 11: you know what I mean.
Speaker 21: So he ain't giving me nothing, no, he like yeah,
Speaker 21: right right right, really get off, don't get piped. So
Speaker 21: I get the and Mike right here, Mike right here
Speaker 21: on the back of leg.
Speaker 1: So Mike right here, like.
Speaker 8: On the back lig he on the back lid like
Speaker 8: oh yeah yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: In the back y like old grandfather shoot the bubble gum.
Speaker 1: And right there.
Speaker 18: You know what I mean. You got to be in trouble,
Speaker 18: right type ship? Right, you get the switch right switched
Speaker 18: leather belt on the switch? Which one you want up?
Speaker 18: So we walked by Mike looking at me and looking
Speaker 18: at KG and looking at me. So my spider and
Speaker 18: sticks told me, you know, to go a little closer
Speaker 18: to Mic and holler at him, right, I said.
Speaker 7: Cool down a little bit.
Speaker 8: But this way he got that understanding.
Speaker 18: I said, Mike, Man, young boy, Man, he don't he
Speaker 18: don't really know what time it is. You know what
Speaker 18: I mean. He don't know the name of the game.
Speaker 18: You know what I mean. And Mike said, Mike an't
Speaker 18: really paying attention. He hear me, but he like killer Mode,
Speaker 18: so's not registering. I said, I said, too late. I
Speaker 18: didn't know, you know what I mean. I said, you know,
Speaker 18: he don't know what you talking about. Man, Just you
Speaker 18: know if they're talking being you know how it be.
Speaker 11: Man, You know what I mean. He don't know what's up.
Speaker 11: You know what time it is? He's like, okay, all right,
Speaker 11: all right.
Speaker 18: When the game started, all I know is they usually
Speaker 18: run triangle, none of that.
Speaker 1: I'm on him.
Speaker 18: And it seemed like the shake Contino and as even
Speaker 18: you shake you to work, it seemed like everybody disappeared.
Speaker 11: I felt everything.
Speaker 18: By yourself, by myself, by yourself. Right, So he hadn't
Speaker 18: done that the whole game, so he caught the ball.
Speaker 1: When he did, I don't know where the way.
Speaker 18: It was a little sign that they had and everybody
Speaker 18: moved out the way right right. He did it four
Speaker 18: or five times in a row. Bucket Yeah, found yeah,
Speaker 18: and one and I jump. I jumped high. So he
Speaker 18: is he had that fade away. He'd be leaning his
Speaker 18: foot of like a his foot of touch you you
Speaker 18: know what I mean. He'd be leaning right and I'm
Speaker 18: on my I hit hands and one I said, damn right.
Speaker 18: That was about his knife and ten points straight, you
Speaker 18: know what I mean. So he wasn't done. Bam, found bam.
Speaker 8: And even hell you by yourself.
Speaker 18: Then he he was hitting about two tough shots. He
Speaker 18: ran off about fifteen sixty seventeen word word business yeah,
Speaker 18: yea yeah, that was about about four.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was like fifteen straight.
Speaker 18: I sols that we could do nothing. I come back
Speaker 18: and we come back. Yeah, we come back. It's a timeout.
Speaker 18: We out of breath.
Speaker 21: We out of breath, not like like you can hear
Speaker 21: you can hear us.
Speaker 18: I'm like, man, this is motherfucking KG talking ship to
Speaker 18: my fucking right right. Nobody talked to fucking Mike.
Speaker 1: Man. I gotta guard this moke fucking mind.
Speaker 11: You know what I mean.
Speaker 21: Right, That's when he was crazy. No man, my fun jay,
Speaker 21: my fun man. I said, oh good man, I told
Speaker 21: you shut the funk up. Man, it's Mike nigga. I
Speaker 21: gotta guard him. You ain't anybody ship like. And then
Speaker 21: it hit me. I was like, damn, that was real.
Speaker 21: I ain't went out there, are you right?
Speaker 18: You know it was a little defeated Mike talking ship
Speaker 18: like y'all done. Ya ain't even gonna fight back. I mean,
Speaker 18: oh got it?
Speaker 8: You got Oh yeah, yeah, y'all done like you got it?
Speaker 9: Man's like, man, I was telling him, may keep blesting
Speaker 9: that niggas.
Speaker 1: He wasn't giving me nothing back.
Speaker 11: Hey.
Speaker 21: I wanted him to give me some okay, yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 21: I want some wild ship like.
Speaker 8: Right right right, like right right, like right right.
Speaker 18: Look, I got it kg right here, Mike. I can
Speaker 18: see y'all right, we play hoop right right. I could
Speaker 18: see peripheral peripherals right. So I'm like, right, I've been
Speaker 18: Mike right there a scene. Right, I'm like, man, this
Speaker 18: U tripping, you know what I mean, Like like.
Speaker 1: You know how basketball is real? Right?
Speaker 18: So Mike was one of them killers, how cold, how
Speaker 18: I feel Kobe became right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 18: I've seen you know, like so Kobe my first three
Speaker 18: years he was playing behind Eddie.
Speaker 1: He'd come in and you know, do what he do.
Speaker 1: I'm already warm. I'm grown ass.
Speaker 18: Man twenty five six to twenty to twenty three, right,
Speaker 18: you know so. But he had a hell of a crossover.
Speaker 18: He's fast, and he really had that killer instinct. Mike
Speaker 18: was a different animal altogether to me, right, and I'm
Speaker 18: not trying to put nobody against nobody close.
Speaker 1: Kobe is a close thing to come to Mike, period.
Speaker 18: I think right after Mike as far that wing play,
Speaker 18: you know what I mean, That's what I feel. But
Speaker 18: Mike had a different energy to him, and he had levels.
Speaker 18: He could turn up two three four levels any reason.
Speaker 18: Some people turn up a level or two. He turned
Speaker 18: up two three four, right, and it's real.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 18: He didn't play with the ball, so he not gonna
Speaker 18: cross it between the legs, you know, like the do
Speaker 18: today rock drip about four or five times he's going,
Speaker 18: he looking right at you, and he handling his business quick, intimidating.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 21: We couldn't even help him because it was like two dribble,
Speaker 21: pull up, one dribble, pull up fake Jeff.
Speaker 7: It was like, and that's the back when you have
Speaker 7: to play one on one d you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: It was basic.
Speaker 21: And then listen, if you're at the top of the
Speaker 21: key and you buy yourself and this just think about
Speaker 21: top of the top of the three point line to
Speaker 21: the free throw line.
Speaker 8: Bro, we can't help you.
Speaker 21: So so it was like it was like it was
Speaker 21: like it was that kind of bag of work where
Speaker 21: Jay Alwards.
Speaker 1: Just had to take it.
Speaker 8: But then we're going to nothing in and you know
Speaker 8: what I'm saying.
Speaker 21: You think they letting him be j They not calling
Speaker 21: no fouls, you know what I'm saying, And he just
Speaker 21: eating off that man. Bro shot the shot to them, yo,
Speaker 21: because it was real. It was real and that was
Speaker 21: an experience.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 7: I got the numbers from the game that night, so
Speaker 7: the bulls end up winning by three KG. You had
Speaker 7: sixteen points, fifteen rebounds. That was reaching for the young
Speaker 7: boy that nineteen You feel me Jr. You had twenty
Speaker 7: nine with seven.
Speaker 21: I told you, Bro, I told you, I told you, Bro, Bro,
Speaker 21: I'm bro bro listen. Oh, I felt like I was
Speaker 21: a fan. They got to sit on the beach. I
Speaker 21: got to watch one of my favorite players play every night.
Speaker 21: And then I'm watching them play Clyde Mitch Spree, I'm
Speaker 21: watching them play.
Speaker 1: You feel me?
Speaker 21: So I'm like, Man, we've been argument in the barber
Speaker 21: shop and man, j y'all run and shit might be shaking.
Speaker 8: Bitch, second chewing guard in the league. Shit, I said,
Speaker 8: every night. Shit he postioning people up. Blah blah blah. Man, mother, shit,
Speaker 8: I told you had twenty nine broad knew that.
Speaker 7: Wow the show man running Maxwell. Michael Jordan said about Maxwell,
Speaker 7: something's wrong with it, guy Kenny, he fights me every day.
Speaker 7: That brings his son wearing air. Jordan apperil what prompted
Speaker 7: him to say that? What's he talking about? Mike?
Speaker 2: He said, God, right now, but no, Mike, Mike is
Speaker 2: the greatest man. Mike is the best player I ever
Speaker 2: played against.
Speaker 1: Man, your hands.
Speaker 2: Down, Man, never saying nothing like this ship.
Speaker 1: Make it work?
Speaker 2: Though, Oh yeah, I'm gonna make it work.
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: I said that's it.
Speaker 2: But that's all I could do, just like, you know,
Speaker 2: cut down his percentage. You can't never stop, No motherfucker
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 7: You gotta make it tough.
Speaker 2: You know it is, man, you know you know you
Speaker 2: got to make a tougher motherfucker like that. So that's
Speaker 2: all I was trying to do. Make it tougher that motherfucker.
Speaker 2: And he was already bigger than me. Ship, I'm sixfold.
Speaker 2: I ain't never wore one hundred and ninety five pounds
Speaker 2: so in my life, and my biggest weight I was
Speaker 2: one ninety four so, and this motherfucker was to eighteen
Speaker 2: and six six and jumping everywhere ever I turn around
Speaker 2: looking at the bottom rep motherfucker shooting mother. The motherfucker
Speaker 2: done spent off me and just tuk off. I ain't
Speaker 2: never see a motherfucker just spend and jump at the
Speaker 2: same time.
Speaker 7: I man, just just gone, just gone. I was like, good,
Speaker 7: Ship is crazy.
Speaker 1: Man, do you do you do you have a moment?
Speaker 9: O G do you have a moment when he was
Speaker 9: playing against him and he did something when you weren't
Speaker 9: out of court.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, man, now, yeah, that's what I used to
Speaker 1: do all the time. This motherfucker.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, man, I know I just played the
Speaker 2: best fucking defense on this mother and he spent on
Speaker 2: me this one time in Houston. You know, everybody coming
Speaker 2: out there. All them bitches came out there to see
Speaker 2: mikeel everybody you know here they come and see Mike.
Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, this motherfucker got this nigga jersey
Speaker 2: all morning.
Speaker 22: They got Max.
Speaker 7: Quit old Max for the night.
Speaker 11: Gotta go out here.
Speaker 7: His mother, So this mother.
Speaker 1: Was spending on men.
Speaker 7: Don't sit out of me.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: It hit me on my ass when he's running back.
Speaker 2: I grabbed when I went and grabbed his mother. Man,
Speaker 2: keep your motherfucker, do not touch me, motherfucker. Keep your
Speaker 2: hands to your motherfucker self. Well we love Mike is
Speaker 2: the best, right, Yes.
Speaker 1: Go, Welcome to the show. Charlie Sheen.
Speaker 7: Talk to us about how you developed a friendship with
Speaker 7: Michael Jordan's.
Speaker 10: Well, how did that happen?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 23: It started with that the one thing that's in the dock. Yeah,
Speaker 23: and uh, this just this opportunity just fell out of
Speaker 23: the sky. There was this show, short lived show pitting
Speaker 23: actors against athletes in their in their respective sports right.
Speaker 23: And and the card we drew was was Jordan in
Speaker 23: a in a two on one and it was me
Speaker 23: and my dad and so.
Speaker 10: We didn't.
Speaker 23: I mean, we were just like, sure, why not, we'll
Speaker 23: get embarrassed on on national television together, you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was something happened that.
Speaker 3: Day before, guess so yeah about that.
Speaker 23: No, it was just one of those things because you know,
Speaker 23: I I I never played on a team. I just
Speaker 23: played baseball, you know. But I shot with Dad in
Speaker 23: the backyard like my whole childhood. In fact, I had
Speaker 23: to grow taller than him so I could finally block
Speaker 23: his baby hook one day because that thing tortured me,
Speaker 23: tortured me, and like I, I willed myself to reject it.
Speaker 23: And so he and I were, you know, we we
Speaker 23: we'd accepted the gig and and and he was like,
Speaker 23: you know, what's our plan against this guy?
Speaker 4: And I was like, I don't.
Speaker 10: I don't. I don't have one.
Speaker 23: But if we just spread the floor, if we just
Speaker 23: don't get you know, clumped up, I don't think he
Speaker 23: can guard two people at the same time.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if he could do that right.
Speaker 23: And I told I told Dad, I said, hey, man,
Speaker 23: do not do not roll out that that hook shot
Speaker 23: on him, because he's gonna block it with his armpit.
Speaker 23: And there's a if you ever get a chance to
Speaker 23: see that whole game, not just what's in the dock.
Speaker 23: There's a moment where Dad does a head Fig tries
Speaker 23: it and Jordan blocks it with his elbow. Yeah it
Speaker 23: was awesome, but yeah, he but he had to shoot
Speaker 23: his free throws with his eyes closed, so you know,
Speaker 23: bit hamstrung there.
Speaker 1: We've actually done that in the game though.
Speaker 23: Yeah, wow, damn because somebody was, uh, he was what
Speaker 23: what like what instigated that?
Speaker 1: Normally normally talking trash to somebody. Braun tried it too.
Speaker 6: That's awesome.
Speaker 24: Here it is right here, Kobe did it like that?
Speaker 23: Well I saw that in person. So yeah, So then
Speaker 23: I got his number after that, and we stayed in touch,
Speaker 23: and then I would go, you know, when I could
Speaker 23: afford it, right when I'm you know, a p after platoon, right,
Speaker 23: and I would fly out to Bulls home games, you know,
Speaker 23: and so I was kind of stalking him as well,
Speaker 23: you know. But yeah, and then then we did uh,
Speaker 23: then we worked together on a on a on a
Speaker 23: commercial campaign, we did Haynes, we sold underwear together, you know,
Speaker 23: So that was that was pretty cool.
Speaker 7: Any truth to him saying he didn't believe you eating
Speaker 7: him when you got to the underwear campaign twenty years later. Yes, yes,
Speaker 7: he raised it from his memory. We were doing this interview.
Speaker 23: And uh, it was like a behind the scenes thing
Speaker 23: just for their their content reel. And and so the
Speaker 23: guy the interview asked about that game and I'm like, well, yeah,
Speaker 23: I'm not here to rub it in his face. But
Speaker 23: did yeah, And he's like, no, you didn't.
Speaker 1: No, you didn't.
Speaker 10: Uh uh you did not.
Speaker 23: And I'm like, well, I can appreciate that, but it's
Speaker 23: on video. He was like, don't matter, don't matter.
Speaker 1: You didn't win, you didn't win.
Speaker 23: And I just thought, wow, I guess if you could
Speaker 23: just convince yourself of something like powerful, change the outcome.
Speaker 23: But no, he's a he's a he's a lovely man.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 23: There was a time when I would text him and
Speaker 23: this dude would literally respond in like fifteen or twenty seconds.
Speaker 23: And I never did it like in front of people
Speaker 23: to show off, like watch how quickly MJ gets back
Speaker 23: to me. Right, No, But I was just like, wow,
Speaker 23: it's but I would use it like that's now the
Speaker 23: bar and I would tell my friends, I'm like, dude,
Speaker 23: it's been like four hours Michael Jordan responded, So it
Speaker 23: was a valuable tool.
Speaker 8: For me, you know.
Speaker 23: Oh and then so I missed. I think I missed
Speaker 23: my first free throw, right, but then I hit I
Speaker 23: hit eight in a row, and then on the last shot,
Speaker 23: he's he's seated like three feet from me, and just
Speaker 23: under his breath he goes choke and I missed the
Speaker 23: last one. Yeah, so he got in my head, you know,
Speaker 23: hasn't he?
Speaker 7: Yes, that he just erased it from a memory, so
Speaker 7: it never happened.
Speaker 1: That's that sound like?
Speaker 23: I mean it why why is there even a debate?
Speaker 1: Right right?
Speaker 7: Never?
Speaker 23: I mean it just feels kind of obvious, right yeah.
Speaker 1: That Welcome to the stage.
Speaker 7: Larry Johnson to Space jam picture. Yeah, oh yeah, get
Speaker 7: us about what you mean. You're gonna get into what
Speaker 7: talk to us about space gym and what what was that?
Speaker 1: What that was like?
Speaker 8: Can I tell y'all story? I hook y'all laughing?
Speaker 7: Then what was that called?
Speaker 1: Right there? That was?
Speaker 8: That was your ladies and gentlemen. That was Michael.
Speaker 21: They built that because Mike, I think we was there
Speaker 21: a month a little over month. Mike was there the
Speaker 21: whole summer. So they built this like this is like
Speaker 21: a gym for him to practice in and get down in.
Speaker 21: And it was better than some arenas. Bro the shower was.
Speaker 21: This was unreal. And it was ball games every day.
Speaker 21: And you know the lot of cats in LA. So
Speaker 21: they was coming down Reggie, you know.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 21: And and you guys see what's my big guy name,
Speaker 21: Sean Bradley. If you show that picture, guess who I
Speaker 21: hung out with for a month. Money had Sean Bradley
Speaker 21: was me. And guess something. Ne Uggs was hurt. Mugs
Speaker 21: was hurt. Muggs had just had knee surgery. Doing this
Speaker 21: whole if I don't know if y'all saw space, Yeah,
Speaker 21: doing this whole film, he was never walking. It's a
Speaker 21: scene where we was walking. They was pulling him on
Speaker 21: the trolley. He couldn't walk. They was pulling him on
Speaker 21: the Charley Mugs. So I couldn't hang out with Mugs.
Speaker 21: He was just he was in the room all the time.
Speaker 21: Me and Sean was kind of hanging out man Sean Bradley. Yeah,
Speaker 21: good dude, good dude.
Speaker 7: What was it like though? I mean, that's that that
Speaker 7: movie that experienced.
Speaker 21: Oh no, no, it's my story. So I had a fade, right,
Speaker 21: I had for everybody got a ball here. Mugs just
Speaker 21: got a regular cut. That's easy to do, and Pat,
Speaker 21: you know when you probably got to work a little bit,
Speaker 21: but work a little bit.
Speaker 8: Pack out of what is that? What is that hot?
Speaker 8: What is that hot? Time?
Speaker 1: Pack out?
Speaker 7: But I had that's that Steve Hardy before Steve Harut, I.
Speaker 21: Had a blended fade right, and they had a tali
Speaker 21: in barber and I went there the first day. I'm sorry,
Speaker 21: I'm sorry, that's what he was. I went there the
Speaker 21: first day. I said, say, man, because they say you're
Speaker 21: gonna be here, and I said, can you do this?
Speaker 8: Oh, no problem, no problem, No brother.
Speaker 21: About five days he's later say man, getting a little bit,
Speaker 21: can you do this to fade it?
Speaker 7: No problem, no problem, no problem.
Speaker 21: About that tenth day when I went to get a cut,
Speaker 21: he started off with sizzles. He did all sizzles. I
Speaker 21: know I'm fucked up. I know I'm fucked and he
Speaker 21: was trying to fade me with sizzles. Brothers, and I'm like,
Speaker 21: i know I'm fucking He got me turned away from
Speaker 21: the mirror and it was like ten minutes lady talking
Speaker 21: about I'm done. I turned around, had a bowl cut
Speaker 21: around my mother. This was a bowl, bro. I say, man,
Speaker 21: I ain't And I went to my trailer and Muggsy
Speaker 21: Muggs little fucker ass. Muggsy cab it there be cause
Speaker 21: they was waiting on me on set and Muggsy carvey
Speaker 21: it there. He said, say, man, be waiting on you,
Speaker 21: and he saw about heir this bust out laughing right.
Speaker 21: I say, man, I ain't going it there, ain't going
Speaker 21: it up. He said, all right, man. He went back
Speaker 21: there told every last one of the motherfuckers that didn't
Speaker 21: cave it, I ain't never seen you by a drag
Speaker 21: like this before. He was over the floor. They was
Speaker 21: giving it to me and T T. K Carter. Anybody
Speaker 21: know him. He's one of the actors, man, he was.
Speaker 21: He was dudes on the he's one of the actors.
Speaker 21: They had about five or six actors that are trying
Speaker 21: to teach us how to act in a short amount
Speaker 21: of time. But this dude TK Carter looked at me,
Speaker 21: said come on, LJ and took me to a barbershop
Speaker 21: right down the street and.
Speaker 8: In fifteen minutes, dude blending, yeah, brother, blend.
Speaker 1: Fucked up for a minute, though, I.
Speaker 8: Ain't never seen Mike like that. I ain't never seen
Speaker 8: Mike and Charles barkle like that. They was giving it
Speaker 8: to me all over my floor. I get your ass
Speaker 8: out of here.
Speaker 7: Let's welcome enough, go ahead, just shoot. You'll come about
Speaker 7: because you've been a lifer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's yeah.
Speaker 7: I was baking some golf gear in the back. We
Speaker 7: were the same size. I ain't seen the ship.
Speaker 15: Hey, listen, listen, man, you could have never told me
Speaker 15: it was like gonna be what it has become. And
Speaker 15: you know, a family situation like that. But uh, we started.
Speaker 15: I was a dude that wasn't you know, I got
Speaker 15: picked eighteen eighteen pick. Ain't about to really break the
Speaker 15: bank on O. Shoot if you get a shoot it
Speaker 15: at all. So, like you know what I'm saying, We
Speaker 15: was trying to figure out shit out. He was the
Speaker 15: he was the third third pick. Yeah, the highest high
Speaker 15: school pick up at that point.
Speaker 7: You know, yes, sir, give that, give it up up.
Speaker 1: You know KG was previously number five. Black came in
Speaker 1: and rewrote that.
Speaker 15: But like so we was trying to get a deal,
Speaker 15: and like our agent, I wasn't getting I was getting
Speaker 15: off of for just a pair of deals. He was
Speaker 15: getting what what our agent felt like was lowball, and
Speaker 15: then we was at uh. We went to Jordan campus
Speaker 15: flight school out of trying to borrow for the kids
Speaker 15: and ship that everybody would go to, and we had
Speaker 15: all of this and one ship they had just gave.
Speaker 15: They was giving up so much ship bro it was crazy.
Speaker 15: We had all this and one ship. So we got
Speaker 15: through hooping. The one day we icing down and.
Speaker 6: Fuck, y'all got all this ship off four and we
Speaker 6: was just.
Speaker 15: Like shit, like you know, and like we didn't know
Speaker 15: he had, you know, Jordan brand and that was all
Speaker 15: starting and ship and he was like, y'all get rid
Speaker 15: of that ship.
Speaker 1: Man, Like y'all gonna be with me.
Speaker 15: And were like okay, Like we didn't really know what
Speaker 15: that meant, but we like, we're gonna be with him.
Speaker 7: So we was, yeah, you at least get into a club.
Speaker 25: Then finally the next the next morning, our agent called us,
Speaker 25: was like, man, what y'all do we like what you're
Speaker 25: talking about? He was like, man, they just sent me
Speaker 25: over a contract. Y'all find the sign with Jordan's Wow,
Speaker 25: yeah you do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 15: Shut all that down I went from getting a pair
Speaker 15: of DEAs and some cash in fight right here.
Speaker 25: So you know, once we've seen that, you know we
Speaker 25: was fool with After that you already couldn't tell you ship,
Speaker 25: But after that, it was all the way over.
Speaker 1: It was a whole another game. Now now we're Jordan's down. Jordan, dudes, Bro,
Speaker 1: that was a stamp of appoof bro. I was like,
Speaker 1: min mind went way different than that. You had to
Speaker 1: get to the bobcat.
Speaker 7: Was at that time, Jack get boxes every leap year.
Speaker 9: Well, what it is is, at the time I got
Speaker 9: my joint deal, I was wearing proteges.
Speaker 1: If y'all don't know what protege.
Speaker 7: Is, hold on talking about out come out. So Jack
Speaker 7: the first time, shout out Harrington. By the way, I
Speaker 7: saw our brother the first time he bought protege in
Speaker 7: the game.
Speaker 1: What happened? We made a check off that bitch. Let
Speaker 1: me start there, Okay, but it also almost the end
Speaker 1: of his career.
Speaker 9: It definitely, it definitely ended my almost in my end
Speaker 9: of my It was some bullshit ass ship ship. Stephan
Speaker 9: gave us a game. This is one I knew he
Speaker 9: was a real friend.
Speaker 15: I knew he was a real friend because supposed to
Speaker 15: that ship, I was like your son and A like stack,
Speaker 15: I need you to get in with I need you.
Speaker 1: I'm like cool, you're my nigga. The worst decisions ever made.
Speaker 9: I end up breaking my toe and playing these ships
Speaker 9: right for three years, I think every quarter at every
Speaker 9: time out.
Speaker 1: If you wanted to know my moves, you have to
Speaker 1: watch the tape. Just the black marks was all on
Speaker 1: the court, so you can see everywhere I went right
Speaker 1: w as Shoes called prote.
Speaker 7: Very first game though, he made a move he made
Speaker 7: I don't know if it was a left right or
Speaker 7: right to left, but he came out like the soul
Speaker 7: went that way.
Speaker 1: I need another Paul. This is like two minutes in
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 7: Game just started. I said, oh shit.
Speaker 9: So then I get I get to I get traded
Speaker 9: to Charlotte with M Jed.
Speaker 1: I'm playing in them shits. I make a move, I
Speaker 1: come out. I got my toe hanging out the mubles.
Speaker 1: I come to the sideline. I'm sending the ball boy
Speaker 1: to the back to get m saying like hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, what's that? What's that? What is that? Like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: bring him some J's brought me some jays. He felt
Speaker 1: so bad for me. Dog. The next day, I had
Speaker 1: a John contract in my locker.
Speaker 7: It was a charity case.
Speaker 1: God damn. Say, you know sometimes I take it with Upda.
Speaker 7: Mike adopted Jeff. Hey, my dudes, look at that poor
Speaker 7: little boy over there. Let's get him twe You were
Speaker 7: someone that got to play with him in the summertime,
Speaker 7: but then against them on the biggest stage. What was
Speaker 7: that effect like in getting to go head ahead against Mike?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: My first three years.
Speaker 26: I came in the league in ninety six, so I
Speaker 26: went against the three the last three championships ninety six,
Speaker 26: ninety seven, ninety eight.
Speaker 1: I went one, one and eleven. Damn yeah, we went
Speaker 1: one eleven.
Speaker 26: I didn't play against him in the playoffs, but I
Speaker 26: was still kind of like a little fan too, because
Speaker 26: I came in at nineteen and I kind of grew
Speaker 26: up watching the Bulls. So I was a little fan.
Speaker 26: But I got my revenge when he came back to
Speaker 26: the Wizards.
Speaker 7: Okay, it's never too late. It's never too late.
Speaker 26: Yeah, when he came back to the Wizards, that's when
Speaker 26: I got my day. So these guys know, because obviously
Speaker 26: Darris and Q was with me in the summertime. So
Speaker 26: got a phone call two thousand and one. He was like, hey, man,
Speaker 26: I heard you guys in the gym. I need y'all
Speaker 26: back with me. I'm like, oh, they're like yes, Michael Jordan,
Speaker 26: y'all remember you can call people private back in the day,
Speaker 26: so he called me private.
Speaker 1: It was okay.
Speaker 6: He was like, yeah, I need you back in the
Speaker 6: gym with me.
Speaker 4: So I called all the guys.
Speaker 26: We all worked out together every day anyway, and he
Speaker 26: moved our run over to Hoops Gym over in the
Speaker 26: West Loop if you guys familiar with that. MJ rented
Speaker 26: the whole gym out for the summer and we just
Speaker 26: started working out together. We had to pretty much, and
Speaker 26: they know this. We had to go off his routine.
Speaker 26: We played every day at two o'clock, but you have
Speaker 26: to do your individual work before two o'clock and then
Speaker 26: you play pickup ball and some of the most legendary
Speaker 26: runs you ever wanted to be a part of. If
Speaker 26: you lose, you may not get back on the court.
Speaker 26: It was thirty thirty five pros. You had everybody flying in.
Speaker 26: I remember you guys mentioned Lebron James. He was sixteen.
Speaker 26: He came in to play with us. He probably didn't
Speaker 26: play till like the tenth game. I felt bad for him.
Speaker 26: He flew out the way up to play. But it's thick.
Speaker 26: It's thirty pros in the gym. That's already established.
Speaker 15: When and then the twin took him to the fifty
Speaker 15: yard line.
Speaker 7: What's the fifty yard line?
Speaker 1: And dn twin took him to the fifty yard.
Speaker 6: Man was a special party for somebody, y'all.
Speaker 7: So it's the fifty yard line.
Speaker 1: No tracks, Lebron James, and we ain't going in.
Speaker 4: We ain't going that way.
Speaker 1: We ain't going that way. But now that was my
Speaker 1: experience with Mike, So I got the opportunity. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna little kill me with that. I got a chance
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 26: Around Mike every day man and see his work ethic,
Speaker 26: just like these guys like me and Dari's kid. We
Speaker 26: got a chance to be around him and see how
Speaker 26: great he was and the work after he put in
Speaker 26: and then see him do it at thirty seven thirty
Speaker 26: eight to get back in the league with something special
Speaker 26: to see. So those are memories I would always remember.
Speaker 26: We hung out and they know, guys know that we
Speaker 26: hung out. Move was four days, four or five days
Speaker 26: a week. We were together every day. Mike was so three.
Speaker 15: Like he he rented the hoops out right then it
Speaker 15: was like a joint parking lot. That was like, whatever
Speaker 15: the fuck it was. He turned that ship into his steakhouse,
Speaker 15: this restaurant. There wasn't nothing. I remember that after the
Speaker 15: workouts go from the workout, they about to play called.
Speaker 15: I ain't gambled with these motherfuckers. I was smart, but
Speaker 15: I watched. I saw, I watch, I've seen it.
Speaker 8: I seen it.
Speaker 15: But they out there like if you get you go
Speaker 15: over there, food, all this ship, wine, all that ship.
Speaker 15: They there smoking cigar, kicking it for hours. I'm like,
Speaker 15: I ain't with none of this ship. I'm gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 26: It was one of the you know, one of the
Speaker 26: obviously greatest moments of my life. To be around the
Speaker 26: greatest and to see how he worked and how he
Speaker 26: went about his preparation to get prepared, especially at that age.
Speaker 26: So I just I learned a lot. And they know
Speaker 26: how he was. He was super competitive. He wanted to
Speaker 26: win every day. If you won't win, you weren't winning.
Speaker 26: You didn't mean anything to him. He didn't care about.
Speaker 26: He don't like losers. You gotta win. So you just
Speaker 26: learned a lot in this competitive spirit and how he
Speaker 26: how he liked to do things. So that was one
Speaker 26: of the most memorable times in my life. To be
Speaker 26: able to play against Mike for two years and be
Speaker 26: around him and it's in his personal space and to
Speaker 26: see how he does it on an everyday basis was
Speaker 26: something special for me.
Speaker 4: Up.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of people say that we got to do.
Speaker 7: Ship talking was crazy. He like, what kind of ship
Speaker 7: talking was going on?
Speaker 1: That was like talking?
Speaker 9: And he say, crazy, ship you never want nothing? Yeah,
Speaker 9: he told me I wasn't ship. We was losing too.
Speaker 9: And Charlotte, he came in practicing and had his weight
Speaker 9: with us. Bro talk to us bad every time, man,
Speaker 9: everybody every championship with the average and everything. We couldn't
Speaker 9: say nothing, and we were showing that he was badly
Speaker 9: making the playoffs and how we gonna get six Championshipsig.
Speaker 7: Dude, what was that ship talking like back in the days?
Speaker 25: It's Mike used to like. I remember my first me
Speaker 25: first being around Mike. I couldn't believe he cussed. What
Speaker 25: I called my mama was like man, Mike cuss like us.
Speaker 25: He was just cussing like us, like but ten Twine
Speaker 25: like Twine and super shit talking you know him in
Speaker 25: the gym. It just kept the momentum in the gym
Speaker 25: and the atmosphere in the gym with Mike and Twine
Speaker 25: and different guys you had balls and there like Mike Finn.
Speaker 25: He ain't used to say shit, but he used being there,
Speaker 25: bus and folks truly, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 25: the ship talking used to be at an all time high.
Speaker 15: Stack listen, let me tell you the dope is like
Speaker 15: Stack did some of the most ball of shit I
Speaker 15: thought at that point, was like some of the coldest
Speaker 15: shit ever, Like he was playing for the Pistons. Then Stack,
Speaker 15: you know, country boy had a big ass boat. He
Speaker 15: brought a boat over with his two rows voices on
Speaker 15: that bitch and stage like Rember stayed for like two
Speaker 15: months and had we.
Speaker 1: Thought he they came up with my boat. That's hard.
Speaker 15: We started calling him up for a stack dollar, me
Speaker 15: and my homeboy stack dollar.
Speaker 1: I say that, I said, that boat over this bitch
Speaker 1: Michigan that was so cold to me is hard. That's hard.
Speaker 6: Yeah, s O G.
Speaker 1: The legend.
Speaker 7: Andre Watt Marita quote here. I consider Hi one of
Speaker 7: the best fighters of all time. He had a sense
Speaker 7: of class about him, which which I absolutely loved. He
Speaker 7: wasn't your typical boxer. When you hear that from Michael
Speaker 7: Jordan's what does that make you think?
Speaker 6: That's big? Anything coming from Mike, that's Mike.
Speaker 27: You know, Mike don't comment on everybody, so you know,
Speaker 27: and that's one of the reasons why he signed me,
Speaker 27: and Mike don't sign everybody, so it's it's big man.
Speaker 27: I appreciate it, and I'm comfortable, man, with the legacy
Speaker 27: I left, you know, in the ring. If they would
Speaker 27: have called me a couple of years before, they probably
Speaker 27: would have got the other guy they was looking for it,
Speaker 27: you know what I'm saying, right, Yeah, to turn up
Speaker 27: and all of that, They probably would have got that.
Speaker 27: But you know, for me, man, God had brought me
Speaker 27: through a lot and I was still changing even when
Speaker 27: I turned I was still in the process of becoming
Speaker 27: you know what I'm saying. And I had seen a
Speaker 27: lot of that stuff growing up, you know, And I
Speaker 27: don't knock nobody in how they get down, but for me,
Speaker 27: I was like, man, I'm a fierce competitor. You're not
Speaker 27: gonna step on me. And no promotion or nothing like that,
Speaker 27: no press conference. But I'm gonna try to do this
Speaker 27: in a classic way. You're gonna you're gonna feel my presence,
Speaker 27: but I'm gonna try to do this in a classic way,
Speaker 27: your way, the way I felt like I would do it,
Speaker 27: because at the end of the day, I knew my
Speaker 27: career was gonna be over it at a certain point
Speaker 27: in time, and I'm not trying to build this monster
Speaker 27: that I got.
Speaker 6: To live with now and retire, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 27: I dropped my kids off at school. You know, I'm
Speaker 27: able to still do business. You're talking about it all
Speaker 27: the time, doing business and these projects and stuff like that.
Speaker 27: I wanted to have a life outside of this sport,
Speaker 27: and sometimes the sport wants you to crash out and
Speaker 27: they don't care what happens.
Speaker 1: To you after at all at all.
Speaker 27: So I've been able to make a great living outside
Speaker 27: of box and being retired six years now, and.
Speaker 6: I ain't took it through a punch in six six years.
Speaker 6: That's what that was the goal.
Speaker 1: That was Jordan. Let's talk about or because I'm under
Speaker 1: Joyan too.
Speaker 19: But Who's your Reggie was one of my reps mark raveling.
Speaker 9: So for me that was growing up not being able
Speaker 9: to afford them and have been sponsored by Jordan.
Speaker 1: That was the best feeling, one of the best ones
Speaker 1: I ever had in life.
Speaker 3: Man, talk about it, getting them boxes, them elite.
Speaker 7: Listen, you still get them?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I need to find your rep.
Speaker 6: I got a boxing about four months.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 27: Hey, Larry Miller, that's my brother.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 19: Larry said, Man, you're a Jordan athlete for life.
Speaker 27: I said, Mary, hold you do it.
Speaker 1: Always all through it too.
Speaker 19: Yeah, But man, like, I don't know what it is
Speaker 19: with me and shoes.
Speaker 27: Always was a shoe person. I look at your shoes first,
Speaker 27: and I look at everything else.
Speaker 7: You can tell a lot some clean shoes you can
Speaker 7: tell a lot that.
Speaker 27: I just I used to call my grandmother Grammy, what
Speaker 27: shoes you got on? I just That's how it always was.
Speaker 19: And my dad used to tell me, he said, this boy,
Speaker 19: ever get some money off a whole lot of shoes.
Speaker 9: Dude, and do clean shoes. It's just like looking at
Speaker 9: the one with opatow shoes on at he ain't done.
Speaker 1: They beat up.
Speaker 27: That's a lot but that but that's also the culture
Speaker 27: in the bay too, Like we'll have some some Jordan's
Speaker 27: on and some regular jeans and a white T shirt.
Speaker 6: Yeah, long was your shoes clean?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You all right?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the same way today.
Speaker 7: How did the conversation and the deal come together for
Speaker 7: the Jordan thing? And what was that first conversation with Mike?
Speaker 7: Like did you almost pass out when you met him?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 27: I was, I don't get in I don't really like
Speaker 27: get in all with a lot of people, and not
Speaker 27: from a disrespectful standpoint. I just you know, it's like
Speaker 27: that's so and so that's cool. But Mike is did
Speaker 27: is different?
Speaker 19: Mike got an r about it, like he not even trying.
Speaker 7: He just Mike.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So they just you know, they had that.
Speaker 27: I was on the radar and it was a lot
Speaker 27: of you know, back and forth and they'll send me
Speaker 27: a couple of boxes and stuff like that, and it
Speaker 27: was a lot of talking. But you know, it's a
Speaker 27: couple of years of that and then then we finally
Speaker 27: locked in a deal. But Mike, man, he got he
Speaker 27: got all Man, he got he got it.
Speaker 6: He walk in the room.
Speaker 1: Walking right.
Speaker 6: Now, everything on stop.
Speaker 1: He don't want nothing fake around him.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he don't want no fans. He want everything family
Speaker 9: in genuine. He don't want like he a normal dude.
Speaker 28: Yeah.
Speaker 27: He talked crazy and he competing to this day, whether
Speaker 27: he golfing, and you know he like to play cards
Speaker 27: and stuff. Man, I got a lot of love from
Speaker 27: Mike Man, a lot of love. When I was getting
Speaker 27: ready to do the documentary. My brother, uh, Deontay Thoms,
Speaker 27: and we grew up together and he worked with small productions,
Speaker 27: and uh, he was like.
Speaker 6: Bro, we gotta get Mike. Like, Bro, I'm not calling Mike,
Speaker 6: not doing it.
Speaker 27: So he was going back and forth for weeks, and
Speaker 27: I said, bro, I'm not calling Mike, but he said, bro,
Speaker 27: just calling You got to be able to do stuff
Speaker 27: like this. If we're gonna make this doc, do what
Speaker 27: to do? All right, But I'll call him. So I
Speaker 27: called Larry Miller. I said, Larry Man, look, I know
Speaker 27: Mike busy.
Speaker 6: So I did that whole thing. He said, let me
Speaker 6: let me make.
Speaker 27: A phone calling and see what's up. He called me
Speaker 27: right back, said Mike want you to call him?
Speaker 6: Mad up? So I called him. Man.
Speaker 27: We flew out to North Carolina, to the facility. We
Speaker 27: knocked it out. That was the easiest interview we did.
Speaker 6: That's how Mike is.
Speaker 1: I did us a last car.
Speaker 7: We still ain't got to sit down with him, but
Speaker 7: that's how he.
Speaker 1: Did car like Mike ms. It's a little different. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we ain't talk to him that.
Speaker 7: We still wasn't on the interview, but he said he's
Speaker 7: with us.
Speaker 27: This I called Mike kids though. So we were all
Speaker 27: in like a boardroom at the facility.
Speaker 6: He come in there scanning shoes.
Speaker 1: You better not have nothing.
Speaker 6: I was good, you know, I was good.
Speaker 1: Mike.
Speaker 6: One of my one of my guys had on some
Speaker 6: Adidas though.
Speaker 1: He don't care if it's Guccia or whatever. If it
Speaker 1: ain't your and it's not.
Speaker 6: They take like people that's in that industry. Oh it's serious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he take this.
Speaker 6: He came in, what's something like everybody?
Speaker 1: You know, everybody?
Speaker 6: What's up with your man? I'm like, what you mean?
Speaker 6: I said, but I told you, bro not to wear them.
Speaker 19: We can get it right, man, But yeah, yeah, your
Speaker 19: boy good.
Speaker 6: But he got he ain't right. He ain't right for that.
Speaker 7: You make him take his shoes off almost damn near Bro.
Speaker 1: We went to NASCAR.
Speaker 7: How the NASCAR team they got them all, they won.
Speaker 1: Jordan's about changing tires.
Speaker 6: They take it here.
Speaker 1: It's crazy taking here, take everybody though, that's dope. Uh.
Speaker 7: Any truth that he would text you had a fight
Speaker 7: sometimes or before fights.
Speaker 6: He just send me voice memos all that. Yeah, And.
Speaker 27: I'm not comparing myself to Mike, but man, we got
Speaker 27: a lot of the same juice and mentality in terms
Speaker 27: of like it's win or die.
Speaker 19: It ain't no win or lose, win or die period.
Speaker 19: And people be like, hello, you come on, man, you're
Speaker 19: taking it too far.
Speaker 27: No, That's how I felt like I used to think
Speaker 27: in training camp on them tough days, like, man, what
Speaker 27: Sunday night, late night gonna feel like after this fight
Speaker 27: Sunday morning when I wake up, I'm thinking about looking
Speaker 27: at my wife and my kids, and I remember the
Speaker 27: last loss I had and what I felt like.
Speaker 1: You said at fourteen, though, Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 27: John reveris from Baton Rouge, Louisiana Country. We was in Lenxic,
Speaker 27: Kansas at the National Silver Gloves Nationals and we in
Speaker 27: opposite brackets fourteen fifteen year old division, so he was fifteen.
Speaker 27: So he's a little bit older, and I'm out boxing
Speaker 27: people doing my thing, and it's three rings, so you
Speaker 27: kind of see like, man, you fighting.
Speaker 6: But then the dude you might fight, he fighting in
Speaker 6: this ring right after.
Speaker 27: So I'm watching him the whole week and he knocking
Speaker 27: dudes out, bang bang, they going out, man, And I
Speaker 27: remember seeing them around the hotel.
Speaker 6: And I didn't tell.
Speaker 27: Verse this, but that's the last time I ever got
Speaker 27: intimidated and allowed myself to get beat before I got
Speaker 27: in the ring a mental side, and I wasn't spooke like,
Speaker 27: oh my god, but I was like, well, he kind
Speaker 27: of strong, like I had a little hea about me.
Speaker 27: It was a closed decision. Of course, I thought I won.
Speaker 27: I should have got the nod, but deep down I
Speaker 27: knew when I was going home, I'm on the Southwest flight,
Speaker 27: had a whole road on myself, curled up in the ball.
Speaker 6: I remember that.
Speaker 27: I remember looking at Verger's face and looking at my
Speaker 27: assistant trainer's face. I remember being home that week and ah, man,
Speaker 27: you lost hunh. I remember that, and I never wanted
Speaker 27: to feel that again. And I made up my mind
Speaker 27: that day nobody will ever beat me before they get
Speaker 27: in the ring with me again.
Speaker 6: They gonna have to earn it.
Speaker 27: I let your appearance, and I let you being a
Speaker 27: little older, and the way you was taking care of
Speaker 27: your business getting.
Speaker 6: Me never again, Never again. Favorite J Eleven's for sure.
Speaker 27: Really I love eleven God, I love elevens, But I
Speaker 27: also love the ones too.
Speaker 1: He's the first person I heard.
Speaker 19: I love the ones because I can dress them up
Speaker 19: and dress them.
Speaker 1: But you got I'm gonna give you a chance. What's
Speaker 1: your favorite?
Speaker 4: And I love for to story.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I love all the ones I couldn't afford when.
Speaker 27: I was a kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Like I couldn't get there, the.
Speaker 9: Threes and four us, that's the dope boys growing up,
Speaker 9: they had them on the block.
Speaker 1: That's the ones we always wanted.
Speaker 6: The ones I couldn't afford them, the ones I gravitate
Speaker 6: to the moment.
Speaker 7: You ever consider using some retros and and and shape
Speaker 7: them in the boxing shoes?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would love to.
Speaker 27: Man, Like we we took a couple of runs at
Speaker 27: it with the with the Jordan team man, and we
Speaker 27: weren't able to like get something that can go out.
Speaker 27: But like I got that kind of mind, man, Like
Speaker 27: I think about like that kind of stuff all the
Speaker 27: time because I'm you know, I'm a creative type and
Speaker 27: it's a need for that kind of stuff in boxing.
Speaker 6: Like GE's some shoes out there. Most of them are
Speaker 6: not great.
Speaker 27: You got a few that's like they okay, But we
Speaker 27: need something that's like a standard test of time. It's
Speaker 27: like Rory's uh boxing boot, you know that he had
Speaker 27: with Jordan.
Speaker 19: That thing lasted over a decade strong, and.
Speaker 6: I might be putting something out like that one.
Speaker 1: Come on, Mike, you hear him.
Speaker 7: Welcome to the show, Josh around this time. Uh, you know,
Speaker 7: Jordan is on his way up, and you guys to
Speaker 7: beat the bull Street three consecutive years, and you guys
Speaker 7: have something called the Jordan rule.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk to us about that.
Speaker 29: Another thing you would have liked, Matt, because push him left.
Speaker 29: That's that's your Jordan rule. Rights, that's all I'm allowed
Speaker 29: to give away.
Speaker 7: It's still top secret, no, but we're going to be there.
Speaker 29: The deal is this, you push him left right. If
Speaker 29: he catches the ball on the left side, push him left.
Speaker 29: He's not going to pass it right. Kobe is not
Speaker 29: the chucker. Michael is the checker. Kobe shots go in.
Speaker 29: Michael kept shooting until they went in. But Mike, Mike
Speaker 29: was deadly. So when he caught the ball on the
Speaker 29: left elbow, push him left. And Joe can do that
Speaker 29: all day because Joe two hundred and twenty pounds. And
Speaker 29: when he picks the ball up, go back to your
Speaker 29: man because he's not going to pass it. He's going
Speaker 29: to shoot it. And when he comes in the middle,
Speaker 29: put him on his back. So if he's on the
Speaker 29: right side, he goes left, that's when he turned his
Speaker 29: body this way and stick his tongue out.
Speaker 7: And that's when I asked, well, right when he went
Speaker 7: down right there.
Speaker 29: As soon as he goes left, as soon as he
Speaker 29: gets foot in the paint, foulo.
Speaker 1: And it's just a regular foul. Yeah, everybody gets.
Speaker 29: But don't know tic tac files meaning for anybody out there,
Speaker 29: don't pull your hand back. Foul through right foul him
Speaker 29: hit him and used to be allowed to do that,
Speaker 29: used to be allowed to you know, even if a
Speaker 29: guard was coming to the lane there was a big man,
Speaker 29: a big man turned and bumped into you and you
Speaker 29: hit the ground. RAF wouldn't call that because yo, ash,
Speaker 29: you're not supposed to be in there but the big man,
Speaker 29: and he's just turning his body.
Speaker 1: We also knew to go after Scottie.
Speaker 29: So the other Jordan rule was make Scotty keep the
Speaker 29: ball with Scotty, make everybody else try to beat us.
Speaker 29: And that said, when he caught the ball, all eyes
Speaker 29: was on Michael because he's not going to pass to
Speaker 29: your man. You don't have to worry about him Magic Johnson,
Speaker 29: and by your ear, he ain't passing it. So as
Speaker 29: soon as he puts the ball down, everybody come, everybody,
Speaker 29: every and they got you watching on film. They would start, hey,
Speaker 29: what's the rule? When he comes, everybody comes. He's not
Speaker 29: passing it to your man. And if you watch, Michael
Speaker 29: would put the ball every which way, not to give
Speaker 29: it to one of his one of his team.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 7: You got a chance to play with him later. Did
Speaker 7: you guys ever discuss what it was about the reasoning?
Speaker 7: Because I mean he openly said, I mean that got
Speaker 7: him better. Yeah, you know what I mean. Have you
Speaker 7: guys ever discussed being teammates at one point?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 29: When I when I they didn't have to ask him.
Speaker 29: But when I came on to the team, he said,
Speaker 29: you wear a Nike, right, So I said, yes, sir,
Speaker 29: got it. He said, what's side? You were so ad fifteen?
Speaker 29: He's like, all right, that's what's up. That's up, just
Speaker 29: making sure you ain't, you know, doing no craziness over there.
Speaker 29: The next day I came in. My whole locker was
Speaker 29: full of Alonzo morning sneakers because Elonzo used to get
Speaker 29: them first, and they were red and white, and.
Speaker 4: Then I got him.
Speaker 1: I was like, good looking. He said, yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: That was that. And he would always ask us questions.
Speaker 29: He would ask Dennis questions with Dennis and have answers.
Speaker 1: Answers he would ask Bood and.
Speaker 29: He said, man, when we would come in and like
Speaker 29: I said, if we knew that we was in his head,
Speaker 29: we would have never lost. We didn't know how intense
Speaker 29: or how much we were in his head. I remember
Speaker 29: we were playing and I go in and I see
Speaker 29: him myself.
Speaker 1: After the game. He goes, yeah, yeah, you after the game,
Speaker 1: I got the Ferrari. You're gonna show you. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: We beat him.
Speaker 29: I come out and said, what's up, man, get away
Speaker 29: from me, what happened? Get away from me? I was like, damn,
Speaker 29: he's sensitive. Like, Hey, where I'm gonna eat tonight? Like
Speaker 29: I said, I was intense when those numbers was up.
Speaker 29: I would very very focused. But when we would talk,
Speaker 29: he would ask us. He would ask us, did we
Speaker 29: try to hurt him? We were like, Nah, if you
Speaker 29: went left, we hit you. We went left in the middle,
Speaker 29: you got we stopped you in the paint. Because he
Speaker 29: can ignite a whole nation by dunking on somebody. And
Speaker 29: you can see sometime he would go and we would
Speaker 29: all come and then he would try to get a
Speaker 29: shot off and hit the floor. We're not catching him,
Speaker 29: step over him and keep running. And we knew, we
Speaker 29: knew that his teammates looked to him for everything, everything,
Speaker 29: and we would punk everybody.
Speaker 7: Welcome to the show, Muggsy Bows. You got a chance
Speaker 7: to play against CMJ in college. You guys are in
Speaker 7: the league at the same time, you start to see
Speaker 7: him build his legends. Uh, any great memorable matchups or
Speaker 7: stories against MJ.
Speaker 30: You could share, Well, you know MJ he always liked like, well,
Speaker 30: I will say, you always like to fuck with me.
Speaker 30: You know you know that, you know he just that's
Speaker 30: just on one another when we come in contact. I
Speaker 30: mean even off the court to this to this day,
Speaker 30: you know, walking around, he'll put his hand up high, trying,
Speaker 30: you know, for me to give him a high five,
Speaker 30: and I'll put my hand down low and then you come.
Speaker 4: Down and give me a low five. So it's just
Speaker 4: it's just not compete.
Speaker 30: I mean, compete against one another. But but but am man,
Speaker 30: you know you always tell you especially with me and
Speaker 30: playing the game.
Speaker 1: You know, Lord, it was.
Speaker 30: Some stuff that's going on in the internet where they
Speaker 30: say that he called me a midget, which is not true,
Speaker 30: and they felt like he had some kind of impact,
Speaker 30: which is not true. He always called me short, little fella.
Speaker 30: Yeah you need law ass. He always call me law
Speaker 30: ass and that short stuff. So we playing against them.
Speaker 30: Of course, he got the ball. He just came back
Speaker 30: from from retirement. He got the ball up in there,
Speaker 30: and I'm at him. I'm playing on the baseline.
Speaker 4: One on one.
Speaker 30: Of course, everybody and my team know that I don't
Speaker 30: like help. Don't come and help me. I don't care
Speaker 30: any where they guys don't come out because yeah, no,
Speaker 30: no back and try to back me down because guys
Speaker 30: ain't used to playing their back to the backs anyway.
Speaker 30: But anyway, this particular moment, and I guess it became
Speaker 30: infamous because he got as a card that's out where
Speaker 30: he holding the ball up, and I'm looking right at
Speaker 30: him and I'm talking and I'm talking ship to him.
Speaker 30: I'm telling him, come on, what you're gonna do. And
Speaker 30: then all of a sudden he start to try to
Speaker 30: back me in, and try to back me in, and
Speaker 30: try to back me in, and then all of a
Speaker 30: sudden he tried to turn around shoot his little jumper.
Speaker 30: I smacked it down. But they call illegal defense on
Speaker 30: somebody because they wasn't that they was on to cross
Speaker 30: the line. But I always fucking with that. Tell him, look,
Speaker 30: you know, you know there was a steal on you.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 30: You know that ball, that ball defender. I'm gonna make
Speaker 30: you think about that when you got that ball in
Speaker 30: your hand.
Speaker 7: The one and only Charles Barkley m v P that
Speaker 7: season but lost in the finals. We recently talked to
Speaker 7: Magic about, you know, his back and forth with Isaiah
Speaker 7: and Isaiah and MJ's beef or whatever that may be.
Speaker 7: You and MJ were really close and haven't spoke in
Speaker 7: some time. Is there is there light at the end
Speaker 7: of the tunne with that. Do you feel like you
Speaker 7: guys can mind that?
Speaker 10: That would be on his end, Matt.
Speaker 31: He was my best friend at the time, and I
Speaker 31: love the guy and I missed the guy, but you know,
Speaker 31: I gotta do my job. What I said was, I said,
Speaker 31: first of all, I don't think it's fair for me
Speaker 31: to critique other gms and coaches.
Speaker 1: And have a double time.
Speaker 31: That goes back to the skill Bailest, like you can
Speaker 31: tell the guys he like and guys he just like.
Speaker 1: I think I'm fair to everybody.
Speaker 31: What I said about Michael, I said, I don't know
Speaker 31: if he's ever going to be successful because of the
Speaker 31: people around him. I think he hires too many of
Speaker 31: his friends. And because your friends don't ever tell you no.
Speaker 31: The hardest thing about being famous is because you're paying
Speaker 31: all the bills, they're on your private jet, they're not
Speaker 31: gonna tell you when you're doing something wrong.
Speaker 1: And I said that.
Speaker 31: I didn't because he was struggling as a general manager
Speaker 31: a running the team.
Speaker 1: And I said, I don't know.
Speaker 31: If he's ever going to be successful because the people
Speaker 31: around him are never going to tell him no.
Speaker 1: And like, yeah, don't draft that dude. We need to
Speaker 1: trade that dude.
Speaker 31: Blah blah blah, and he went ballistic and he called
Speaker 31: me and that's the last thing I heard was motherfucker,
Speaker 31: fuck you. You're supposed to be my boy and blah blah.
Speaker 31: And I said, man, man, I got to do my job.
Speaker 31: And we haven't spoken since that night, and that was
Speaker 31: probably close to ten years ago.
Speaker 9: But I kind of agree with that, because you know,
Speaker 9: they traded me after I brought to the playoffs for
Speaker 9: the first time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do make some bad decisions over there.
Speaker 9: Welcome to the show, Barry Bonds. Than you were you
Speaker 9: close to any NBA players of your time.
Speaker 32: Jordan and I kind of came up together. We were
Speaker 32: in Chicago when Jordan first came in the league. We
Speaker 32: used to hang out in Chicago all the time when
Speaker 32: he was at the Bulls and stuff.
Speaker 7: And I don't just tell us some shit like that.
Speaker 1: Two of the.
Speaker 32: Great I tell you, like, Michael Jordan was before he
Speaker 32: even became the most famous person ever him tied and
Speaker 32: we were in Chicago and he was just I mean,
Speaker 32: he's only two years older than I am, you know,
Speaker 32: And we went out to just to grab a bite
Speaker 32: to eat, and I ain't never seen a line of
Speaker 32: people just that wanted to just talk to this guy.
Speaker 32: And I was just coming up too, so I was rookie,
Speaker 32: so nobody knew who I was, you know. It was
Speaker 32: just Bobbie Bond's son, nobody at the time. And I
Speaker 32: thought I was pretty big at the time because I
Speaker 32: made it. But Michael had all these people, and he
Speaker 32: had they had a couple of security guys there watching.
Speaker 32: Michael was so nice. He was just signing auto grass
Speaker 32: and We're trying to grab something to eat, and I'm
Speaker 32: over here going, I'm Barry Hello.
Speaker 8: You know what it's like to have somebody that good,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And for that one moment, I'm.
Speaker 32: Like, I want to be like Mike one day, you know,
Speaker 32: when you really see it from the very beginning.
Speaker 8: But he was so he was already.
Speaker 32: Large before k became larger than anything. And I will
Speaker 32: always remember that he was. He was always like, come on,
Speaker 32: be let's go, and you know, and it was good
Speaker 32: because we've we've always been like really, you know, good friends,
Speaker 32: and even at a distance, you know now that you
Speaker 32: know his profession's gone to where it's gone, and even
Speaker 32: got distance, we even if we talk and we haven't
Speaker 32: talked in a long time, like we talked to things
Speaker 32: like last year. We had a conversation not too long ago.
Speaker 32: And it always seems like we've never missed a beat.
Speaker 32: And that's that's what's really good about.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I got a question, I mean with We talked
Speaker 7: to Kobe about Mike, and Kobe said every aspect dealing
Speaker 7: with Mike was competitive and maybe that's because that was
Speaker 7: a young guy trying to catch him?
Speaker 1: Was everything with you guys?
Speaker 7: Was it more just a genuine conversation friendship or was
Speaker 7: there some competitiveness even in the conversation.
Speaker 32: We played two different fields, so two different.
Speaker 7: Well he tried, he tried to come to your field though, Well.
Speaker 8: That was happening.
Speaker 32: I mean, I love Mike, but no, that wasn't gone.
Speaker 1: Do you ever actual for advice on baseball?
Speaker 32: No, I got never asked him advice and bats I
Speaker 32: knew he was that good and you know, but uh,
Speaker 32: we always joked around with you. I mean, we had
Speaker 32: always a great respect for each other. I think Michael's
Speaker 32: I saw Michael the same thing he probably saw me
Speaker 32: that this I Q a vision of you know, the
Speaker 32: type of players.
Speaker 1: We were.
Speaker 7: Welcome Joe Johnson to the show.
Speaker 1: What was your welcome to the NBA moment?
Speaker 33: My welcome to the NBA moment was playing against Uh
Speaker 33: was playing against so my rookie year. Was MJ's first
Speaker 33: year back in the NBA with the Wizards. Yeah, we
Speaker 33: played against them fourth game of the season. I was
Speaker 33: starting every Ed Williams getting hurt the second game of
Speaker 33: the season, small four, so they start me. Uh, and
Speaker 33: I got a guard MJ. Paul Piers like, man, I'm
Speaker 33: gonna get him in the fourth quarter. I need you
Speaker 33: to give him the first three.
Speaker 1: Look. Look, I'm like, all right, all right bet so uh.
Speaker 33: Man, we got out there first off, touring and MJ
Speaker 33: talking stuff through each other on the tip, Like you
Speaker 33: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So m J.
Speaker 33: Taylor, Paul, I gotta come all the way back to
Speaker 33: the NBA just to just to get a pickup game
Speaker 33: with you, just to get a run with you.
Speaker 1: So hey, all going back and forth the whole game.
Speaker 33: But I'm like, man, y'all got a chill, you know
Speaker 33: what I'm saying, Like I'm the one got to guard
Speaker 33: this man.
Speaker 1: But uh, it was. It was a fun moment.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 33: I embraced the challenge and I had so much fun.
Speaker 33: But I got so many pictures and memories from that moment,
Speaker 33: and even if like it was crazy, it was on
Speaker 33: TNT like I'll never forget it.
Speaker 1: What did he do? That game? What did MJ do?
Speaker 33: He finished with like thirty thirty two? What you he
Speaker 33: ended up getting? I had sixteen to ten? Oh yeah, yeah, silent, silent, silent,
Speaker 33: solid playing which one in prime?
Speaker 1: That's solid?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm surprised you got I'm surprised you got enough
Speaker 7: looks to get sixteen with them too, Right, Rip Hamilton,
Speaker 7: Welcome to the show Man.
Speaker 1: Make your mark.
Speaker 7: You feel like you've arrived your second year, your third year,
Speaker 7: MJ comes back. Tell me about him coming back first
Speaker 7: and foremost, and then the second part of the questions
Speaker 7: is do you feel like that's stunned where you obviously
Speaker 7: your process and your growth at the time.
Speaker 1: Oh man, MJ. Man, that was awesome for my career.
Speaker 12: You know, I always used to hear a lot of
Speaker 12: people talk about, Okay, MJ coming back to a young, young,
Speaker 12: a young team, and that's going to stun a lot
Speaker 12: of their guards, you know, growth, because at the time,
Speaker 12: you know, it was me Leron prophet and was a
Speaker 12: guy Courtney Alexander who was man.
Speaker 8: He was a problem too.
Speaker 1: He was a guy that played on the wing with me.
Speaker 12: That you know, we both that during that second half
Speaker 12: of the year in Washington after my second year, we
Speaker 12: both averaged you know, close to thirty points a game.
Speaker 1: You know, it was balling.
Speaker 12: But when MJ came man, it was it was the
Speaker 12: goat man. That's that's that's gold status man as a
Speaker 12: two guard coming up and Mike, you know, being your
Speaker 12: idol growing up, and now you got an opportunity to
Speaker 12: lock it up with him and and and learn and
Speaker 12: get as much information off of him as possible. Because
Speaker 12: even my second year, he used to come down and
Speaker 12: practice with us all the time, right, but he didn't
Speaker 12: you know, every now and then he had come in
Speaker 12: and you know, work out with It's kind of similar
Speaker 12: what he did with y'all when you was on.
Speaker 4: The Bodcap Shack.
Speaker 12: You know, he come down and work out with us,
Speaker 12: and me and Proft used to play with him all
Speaker 12: the time, and we used to talk trash to MJ
Speaker 12: all the time. But it was only certain things that
Speaker 12: I would say and you know Prof would sometimes you know,
Speaker 12: say a little bit of extra stuff that.
Speaker 1: I would, I would and go there.
Speaker 12: And I remember one time we were playing in practice
Speaker 12: right and Prop you know, might have hit a shot
Speaker 12: on MJ.
Speaker 1: And he was like running.
Speaker 12: Down court, Yeah, you can't guard me with them old
Speaker 12: ass knees.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, oh stop.
Speaker 4: Time out, time out.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh nah.
Speaker 4: You you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't. You don't say that to the go MJ
Speaker 1: was heated.
Speaker 12: I mean he was heated to the point that when
Speaker 12: I went to my exit meeting, uh, because you know
Speaker 12: he was he was the president at the time.
Speaker 1: I went into my exit meeting.
Speaker 12: He was like, okay, Rip, you know your man, your buddy,
Speaker 12: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: Because he ended up.
Speaker 12: Training proft that that that he was like, oh your man,
Speaker 12: he was like, oh yeah, he ain't gonna he out.
Speaker 7: Of here, he said, But you won't be there by you.
Speaker 7: You gonna be there by yourself, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And you ain't gonna have your buddy to to co
Speaker 1: sign and.
Speaker 12: You know you're gonna be on the island by yourself.
Speaker 1: I like, look, I was like, I.
Speaker 12: Don't want no problems, bro, I don't want no problems
Speaker 12: at all. I'm your teammate, man, But.
Speaker 1: When I know the.
Speaker 12: Feeling, I know the feeling that it.
Speaker 1: Right, you gotta be careful, you gotta be careful.
Speaker 12: But when MJ came, man, I just thought it was
Speaker 12: a blessing and and uh for for me as a
Speaker 12: basketball player, you know, because I was able to learn
Speaker 12: so much off of him. Uh, you know, it took
Speaker 12: it took my game to a whole new other level,
Speaker 12: especially even playing with him, because you got to remember,
Speaker 12: when you're playing with Michael Jordan, all the focus is
Speaker 12: going to be on Michael Jordan. I mean, traveling with
Speaker 12: MJ is like traveling with the Beatles back in the day, right,
Speaker 12: So when when playing with him, the one thing that
Speaker 12: I learned with playing with Mike was remember, you know,
Speaker 12: back in the day, they used to call it floppy, right,
Speaker 12: you know, when two guys come down and the two
Speaker 12: beats come down and we run them off screens. So
Speaker 12: I was like, man, screw my bigs, I'm just gonna
Speaker 12: run off MJ. Why because every time I run off MJ,
Speaker 12: you know, I'm saying, my man gonna go to him,
Speaker 12: and his man ain't gonna right. So I would get
Speaker 12: wide open every time. And MJ would come to me
Speaker 12: after the game and be like, hey, Rip, I see
Speaker 12: what you're doing out there.
Speaker 10: I see I.
Speaker 7: See what you're doing out there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, what am I? What am I?
Speaker 10: What am I supposed to do?
Speaker 1: Man? Like shit you the goat? Like you know.
Speaker 12: So he was he was very He was very helpful
Speaker 12: for for my career when when I was in Washington.
Speaker 12: And another crazy story is that we just talked about
Speaker 12: Alan Houston.
Speaker 1: Right, So Alan Houston was.
Speaker 12: Killing me, like like I said, he killed me in
Speaker 12: my first two years, right, So when MJ came third year, now,
Speaker 12: I feel like I'm growing up.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 12: I grew some hair on my chest, like I've been
Speaker 12: through the war and the battles a little bit, so,
Speaker 12: you know, and I got big bro, like I got
Speaker 12: the bully in the room, right, you know, I'm a
Speaker 12: little bit more confident. So we're playing against New York.
Speaker 12: We're playing against New York in Washington, and first half
Speaker 12: I go out and I give Alan Houston thirty in
Speaker 12: the first half, right, So like like I'm geeked. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 12: all the times this motherfuckers been killing me and getting
Speaker 12: me in foul trouble. I'm in I'm in his ass
Speaker 12: right now, right, you know what I mean. So we
Speaker 12: were in that halftime, you know, we talking, coach talks
Speaker 12: does a speech.
Speaker 7: MJ come up to me.
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, man, hey, young fella, you know you.
Speaker 8: Had a great half.
Speaker 12: You know, but Big Bro won't take over the second half,
Speaker 12: so don't worry about it.
Speaker 7: I got you. Bro won't take over second half.
Speaker 12: Right at the end of the game, man, And that
Speaker 12: second half, I only had two shots in the second half,
Speaker 12: I had thirty.
Speaker 7: I think I might have ended with like thirty two.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: I was like I was at the end of the game.
Speaker 12: I was like, damn, this was my perfect opportunity to
Speaker 12: kill this dude. This dude killed me my first two years.
Speaker 12: Like you know what I'm saying. Now, I got you
Speaker 12: on my side. He was like, hey, man, don't worry
Speaker 12: about it. Man, you'll get another opportunity at that. But
Speaker 12: as a young kid, you don't think that you're gonna
Speaker 12: get another opportunity. That was your time talking moment.
Speaker 7: But but big Bros, Like he tapped me on the
Speaker 7: shoulder and say, hey.
Speaker 8: Man, you did enough.
Speaker 7: I was like, in my mind, I was like.
Speaker 12: Hell nah, but he was like, you know that second
Speaker 12: half he took over. He might have scored twenty five
Speaker 12: or twenty six and the second half and we end
Speaker 12: up winning the game. But that that story always sticks
Speaker 12: to me because that was my opportunity to go out
Speaker 12: and get fifty.
Speaker 7: That's funny as hell, especially on someone that been lighting
Speaker 7: your ass.
Speaker 1: Up, Light my ass up.
Speaker 7: Yes, welcome this show Man T two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: You signed with the Wizards. What was it like playing
Speaker 1: with a part of Yo MJ. I didn't care.
Speaker 34: He was ninety yeah, like come on, man, like get
Speaker 34: a chance to play with m Man. It was like
Speaker 34: it was a blessing, you know, like I said, my
Speaker 34: career has been blessed. Like I said it just when
Speaker 34: I first song, well when he first called, initially because
Speaker 34: he was part of the front office and I heard
Speaker 34: his voice, I'm like, man, what are you serious?
Speaker 6: Like MJ calling me?
Speaker 34: Like called and once you come in with the Wizards whatever,
Speaker 34: he said, I'm thinking about coming back. You know, we
Speaker 34: didn't discuss it, you know, didn't he didn't go public
Speaker 34: for a while. But then just when I first met
Speaker 34: him just in Awe. Man like just having a chance
Speaker 34: to you know, see Black Jesus in person, like talk
Speaker 34: to him, be his teammate, like I was in Awe
Speaker 34: and my first you're playing with him, and I just
Speaker 34: didn't I didn't know what to do, like you know
Speaker 34: what I'm saying, Like you know, throwing to him every
Speaker 34: time and just go staying or he's like no play
Speaker 34: like but you just get so messed by who he is.
Speaker 34: About forty he it was forty heah was twenty points
Speaker 34: a game at the age of forty on one leg
Speaker 34: because his knee was messed up. And he played eighty
Speaker 34: two games at the age of forty on one leg
Speaker 34: and play all eighty two games. So I mean, I
Speaker 34: just tell you who he is.
Speaker 1: Crazy eighty two games. That's crazy.
Speaker 7: Welcome to the show, Zach Lavine. You're playing a legendary
Speaker 7: position for a historical franchise. You're playing the two guard
Speaker 7: for the Chicago Bulls. Have you got a chance to
Speaker 7: ever meet Mike or talk to Mike about what you
Speaker 7: got going on right now? And you playing position? He
Speaker 7: he he made very famous over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I met I met him. I haven't talked to him,
Speaker 1: you know, in alone.
Speaker 28: I met him, actually my rookie year, I did a
Speaker 28: workout for Charlotte, and uh, he walked in like early
Speaker 28: into the workout, and you know, all of us are hyped,
Speaker 28: you know, especially because he's in there, so now you're
Speaker 28: trying to show out and went over and shook his hand.
Speaker 28: His hand was so goddamn big he grabbed my four arm.
Speaker 28: So you know, that's when I met him. But you know,
Speaker 28: it's it's it's crazy, man, especially the stats that you
Speaker 28: see and you hear, And there was one that was
Speaker 28: crazy that came out this this month because I think
Speaker 28: I'm averaging thirty this month and I'm.
Speaker 1: Tied for the thirty first best month.
Speaker 35: Crazy, right, you know, saying it is mind body, how
Speaker 35: good this motherfucker was, Like the stats he has, it's
Speaker 35: just like wow, that's you know, I couldn't I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 1: You know, we always wish we could have played against him. Crazy,
Speaker 1: just like this. That was a bad motherfucker man. Welcome
Speaker 1: him to the family.
Speaker 7: To Jarosh Smith, you recently got a chance to play
Speaker 7: thirty six with MJ. First of all, how did that happen?
Speaker 1: And then how did they.
Speaker 22: Go man So one of my one of my guys
Speaker 22: is you know black man named So. He from Jersey.
Speaker 22: He's an amazing painter. Actually he got a lot of
Speaker 22: gold pieces. But he he ended up hooking me up
Speaker 22: with a guy named David Storch out of He's from Chicago.
Speaker 22: Just moved down here to North Palm Beach and him
Speaker 22: MJ's road tight. It went back, you know, back in
Speaker 22: the Chicago days, right close, and I ended up playing
Speaker 22: We played thirty six with Mike and it was like,
Speaker 22: I don't know, it was. It was everything that you
Speaker 22: thought it was gonna be.
Speaker 1: But like.
Speaker 22: To him actually be around Mike and he talking shit
Speaker 22: like that shit was like Dann like he he be
Speaker 22: going there when I tell you he talking ship, He
Speaker 22: talking ship bro.
Speaker 8: And he nice though.
Speaker 7: He is he nice?
Speaker 1: Nice?
Speaker 8: Nice?
Speaker 22: I want to know he nice. His short game is
Speaker 22: like one of the pros. He I'm watching this, I'm
Speaker 22: watching ship he's doing.
Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, yo.
Speaker 22: Like making like making ship like I'm oh my god,
Speaker 22: and I'm lucky lucky for me. We we kept up beat,
Speaker 22: like you know what I'm saying. So, but the people
Speaker 22: he betten with in the group, they like these these
Speaker 22: like some some mean buy pots. I'm yo if I
Speaker 22: not for no golf, bro, Nah, I sain't that, but
Speaker 22: sure though, but it was dope man, because like again,
Speaker 22: I like, I don't know, I just seen a global
Speaker 22: Mike man like he you see him when he and
Speaker 22: his element with being competitive and everything and he you know,
Speaker 22: it's just like and I thought about when I first
Speaker 22: seen him. I thought about the I thought about something
Speaker 22: Ai said, like, you know, he really got.
Speaker 11: On Jordan's like what else he's going ahead?
Speaker 1: Like said like this was wild. Bro, let's welcome to
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 9: Magic Johnson, what's your take on the back and forth
Speaker 9: with Isaia and Mike right now?
Speaker 17: I don't like it right I think they should be
Speaker 17: done with that.
Speaker 1: Listen, we played.
Speaker 17: When we played, we all had to dislike each other
Speaker 17: to win a championship. We all had to do what
Speaker 17: we had to do. But now, uh, what Michael is doing,
Speaker 17: Uh is incredible to be an owner in the NBA.
Speaker 17: To his shoe is still number one.
Speaker 1: I mean you can.
Speaker 17: Put all those guys shoes sales together. They can't even
Speaker 17: mess with Michael Jordan's ship and so and then Isaiah
Speaker 17: is a businessman himself. Exactly all the things that he's doing.
Speaker 10: So why why.
Speaker 1: Are we still living in the past.
Speaker 7: Yes, I think only magic can fix that ship.
Speaker 9: We're definitely gonna try, man, because they should be look.
Speaker 1: Up to both of them. We look up to both
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 17: Yeah, and they're my boys, right right, So I guess
Speaker 17: I'm gonna have to be the one to bring.
Speaker 9: Them together culture, because you want, we want to see
Speaker 9: Zeke and Mike somewhere having to drink together, man.
Speaker 1: For the culture. There you there, you go there, yeah, h.
Speaker 36: Mm hmmm mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: K