WEBVTT - Title: 23 Times Michael Jordan Proved He's The GOAT 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:01.480 Mike is the greatest man. 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:03.200 Mike is the best player I was against. 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:05.280 You ain't ever faced him. You don't understand. 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:12.799 He is truly one of the best. Michael Jorgan, I 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:14.160 tell you I was. 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:15.159 I was better than Mike. 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:15.600 Yeah. 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.200 Yeah, for about three weeks. 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:22.079 He was the first dude that I met, back a 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:23.040 back up his trash. 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.120 That dude to give you fifty real fast. 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:26.320 And that's did anything coming from Mike. 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:28.720 Mike is the best basketball player ever. 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:34.519 Shout out Universal Production Music, the official music provider for 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:35.840 all the Smoke productions. 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:40.360 Enjoy, Oh, we appreciate you. Man. 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:42.360 Have you ever sat down and had like a real 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:44.640 off the camera conbo with mj Oh? 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.440 Yeah, what is that like looking in the mirror. No, 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.199 it's fun. I mean it's fun. No, we're really different. 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.800 It's crazy, Like he'll he'll compete to you anything, to 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.800 you y'all different, I guess. I mean, like he'll compete 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:58.720 with any and everything. 0:00:59.160 --> 0:00:59.520 I won't. 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:02.600 I only can people things that I really am good at. Like, 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:04.760 I'm not just gonna compete on something you don't know. 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:05.640 Yeah, I'm not gonna do that. 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:11.920 Everything you know, he'll uh, you know, he'll talk basketball 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:14.280 all day long and not stopping prepared. Well, what would 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:17.800 have happened if you know my ninety one against your 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:21.240 O three and you know, like what this is that? 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.399 What would happened in your opinion? Come on, you. 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:24.559 Can't ask him that, man. 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:25.480 I want to know. 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.039 Would have been complete dominant, would be seven game series. 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:34.160 With what he started the conversation with was well, I 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:38.880 would have destroyed you. You know, listen, I just I 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:42.000 just said, listen, just remember who you're talking to. You 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:43.960 just started laughing. He's like, I'm just messing with you. 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:45.440 I'm just messing with you, and then we just kind 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:47.720 of moved on. But it would been It would have 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:49.200 been fun. 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.240 That's dope, man. Just to even know that you'll had 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:52.440 that conversation is done. 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.880 Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah yeah? 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:56.440 How bad? 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:58.200 I remember playing with you. 0:01:58.200 --> 0:01:59.600 Your whole thing is that you said I want to 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.760 sit at the yeah, meaning you wanted that six ring. 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:04.440 What did it mean not to be able to get that? 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.440 Oh? It pissed me off, you know, but things are 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:10.160 what they are. You know, you gotta you you push 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:12.119 for a goal, and my original goal was to try 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.120 to win Eat eight. And you push for it, and 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:16.320 you push for it and you push for and you 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.280 do the best you can. But at the end of 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:20.639 the day, you can be comfortable with the results and 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:22.720 where they landed and where they ended up, and so 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:25.639 you know, that's the most important thing. That's why I 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:27.600 can be really, really comfortable with the career that I've 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:31.080 had because you're not worked as hard as you possibly could. 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.720 Three time NBA Champ, NCAA Champ, James Worthy. 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:40.280 Everybody talk about MJ's championship shot nineteen eighty three against 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.959 Georgetown the championship, but you had twenty eight thirteenth to 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.800 seventeen from the field. Nobody don't talk about that. It 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.720 was on your shoulders. But what's your take on that? Well, 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:51.359 you did, Joe John. 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:56.960 You know, if you watch the uh, the Michael Jordan documentary, 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.040 it was in Chicago, not that out the hair movie. 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:06.320 I had a statement, you know, with Michael came to Caroline. 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.760 I tell everybody I was I was better than Michael. Yeah. Yeah, 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:16.960 you know for about three weeks. For about three weeks, man, 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:22.360 I knew he had it. When you're an athlete and 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.560 you guys are both tough. I watched you. I watched 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.880 your whole career. You know, when you're when you're tough 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:31.040 and you're not going back down from anybody, and you're 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.440 gonna take him on. But then when somebody comes along 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:38.960 that this the fucking tougher than you, they're like he 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:43.040 was an assassin and he bullied me. He because you know, 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.720 he's he sought out the best and everything. If you 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.200 were the best backgaming player in the dorm, he wanted 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.120 to know, if you were the best card player, he 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:53.680 wanted to find out. And he took everything as if 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:57.160 he was losing a game seven is losing just wasn't 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:00.000 I didn't care what it was. He break a table, 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:01.880 well if he lost the back gam and so he 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.280 sought me out, and you know, we practiced two hours, 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.280 two and a half hours. You guys know how some 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.280 college practice. Are you ready to get out of there? 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:10.600 And he would. I'd be walking off the court and 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:12.800 he pushed, where you're going, young, young fella, That's what 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:13.240 he called me. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.000 So you were a junior when he was juniors. 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.680 Freshman year, and so yeah, you know he wanted to 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:23.240 know and uh and throughout that year, even though I was, 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:28.680 you know, MVP. There were some games against Virginia in 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.680 the ACC tournament where Michael kept us in the game 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.880 and some big shots against you know, Ralph Sampson and 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:39.080 those guys. And then against Georgetown we only had really 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:43.200 five players against Patrick Ewan and my home boys sleeping 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:47.600 floor and they were tough. Uh, but Michael hit some 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.400 big shots and kept us in you know. I and 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:54.640 then at the end of the game, Coach Smith wanted 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:55.839 me to be like a decoy. 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:56.240 You know. 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:58.320 You know we had we had lost to Indiana the 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:02.040 year before, I Siah Thomas and Bobby Knight, so getting 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:06.360 back was special and I wanted to win or lose. 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:09.880 He'd been punching on Mike. I beat, I beat. I 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:15.279 would always beat. Mike doesn't Yeah, you know Zeke Zeke 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.680 Ben opinionated leave alone. 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:19.920 Man. 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:25.320 He had a good career. It was awesome. Uh but yeah, man, uh, 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.159 you know, because you know they expected me to, you know, 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:30.520 to take the shot. You know, we running high low 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:34.400 against their zohn. Patrick Ewhan was a beast, and I 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:38.159 wanted to win and lose. Because Michael was a freshman. 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.120 I didn't you know, I didn't know if he had 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.679 it in his veins. But uh, I was to flash 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.719 in the mill. Coach Smith didn't call it up like that, 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:47.960 but he knew it would work out that way. We 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.200 ran our offense properly, so we ran the high low, 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:55.760 Sam went down low, I flashed in and three guys 0:05:55.839 --> 0:06:00.240 collapsed and Michael was wide open. Now he he didn't 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.360 draw it up like that. But at the end of 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.400 the time out, you know, when you're walking back on 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:06.240 the court, Michael was one of the last guys. And 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.400 I heard Coach Smith kind of if you get it, 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.440 if you get it clean looking knocking it, you know, 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:14.280 you know what I mean. So and yeah, he knew, 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.880 he knew Michael had it in his veins. And yeah, 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:22.200 that was the beginning. We called him Mike, Mike Jordan. 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:24.960 Kenny said he had no handle when he came to when. 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:28.760 He first got there. No handles, No, not well, Kenny 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:29.440 had him. 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:30.200 Uh. 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.159 After I left, Kenny still mad at me because I 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:35.240 recruited Kenny. He wanted to play with me and I 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.920 left after my junior year. He and Brad Dougherty. But yeah, 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:42.279 he he didn't have a lot of fundamentals when he came. 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.440 I think he was a better baseball player coming out 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:48.400 of high school. And you know, you've heard the story 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.919 of him getting cut from his high school team once, 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:53.360 so he had a lot to work on. He had 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:57.760 raw talent, though raw talent, but when he got the 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:02.120 fundamentals down after his fresh year and he worked at 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.880 it because we had drill after drills after drills. Whatever 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.400 his weakness was, he was willing to work on it, 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:13.680 and so I can't remember him having uh. I mean, 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.640 back then we ran four corners. There wasn't a twenty 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.400 four second shot clock his freshman year, so he was 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.360 okay at that, but I don't remember him ever having 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.840 the ball handling skills that a guard has toossess. 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:30.880 We got our brother Kenny Smith here today, your freshman 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.640 year team, to name a few, Michael, Jordan, Brad Dougherty, 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:35.240 Sam Perkins, yourself. 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:36.680 I mean, what were those practices? 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.320 Like, you know what the crazy part was that? 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.640 No, that wasn't a question who was the best playoff. 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:44.640 I'm gonna get that. I want to hit that one first. 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:45.560 I want the best player. 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.840 Sam Perkins was the best player my freshman year, like 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:51.360 because Sam was a four time. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.000 All American that you know that wouldn't happen today. 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:57.320 Any Like, first team first team for Sam was the 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:01.040 best player. Michael was the most dynamic, but he didn't 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:05.360 have a handle. He couldn't handle the rock like in college. No, 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:06.520 he couldn't handle the rock. 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:07.800 So like even even. 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:09.320 At times I'd be like, you bet we play pick up, 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:11.480 like I got Mike, You're like because I know, I'm like, 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.680 I'm get up under you, like you can't. 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.600 Handle the rock, and uh what happened? 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:21.840 And then and then. 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.680 He's the only guy that I know that his weaknesses 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:27.680 that he had at the end of his career was 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.080 a stress. The only person I've ever Lebron's not like that, 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:35.520 KD No, nobody. He's the only one I did. His 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.680 handle was crazy and his jump shot was pure. I said, 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:40.000 how do you miss a jump shot? You got a 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.920 perfect for him. But we talked about it, and I 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.319 was like, this is not competitive. We talked about competitive 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.160 with Mike. So I used to say, I was like, 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:49.760 it's like, oh, you think you could go It's like, yeah, 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:50.560 because your handles wack. 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.160 I used to say, your handle's whack. I could guard you, 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:54.439 and like blah blah blah. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.880 So now we're doing that, were playing. He goes to 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:03.600 the Olympics, comes back, goes to the League, comes back 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.680 for the summer because all the players, with every North 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.640 Carolina player came. We all come back and play. So 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:14.040 the gym is the doodles like it's like any NBA team. 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:18.600 We would beat like in that gym without question. And 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:22.160 he's my moment, he's gone, I'm like, damn gang out. 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.240 He's like, my handle, been working on it, but. 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:26.240 I forgot accept that. 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:27.600 I really forgot. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.679 I said it, and he's like, my handle, right, you're 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.280 talking about my handle. But he was like the stories 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.360 are true about his competitiveness. Like we were we were 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.280 playing cup one day. So this is when you knew 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.320 you made I made I made it too. Because the 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.679 juniors and seniors, you know, even at y'all school probably 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:45.200 picked the team. 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:47.920 Yeah yeah, yes, right straight out of high school went 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:48.800 to Mexico, right. 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:55.720 So they picked I don't get. This's how we do it. 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.080 So the pros go on one hand and they players 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:02.120 college players on the other, and then you pick your team. Yep, 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.440 but you could you could pick the pros across over. 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:08.520 You could cross over. So Michael and or Sam whoever, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.520 they were senior leaders and junior leaders, they picked the team. 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.760 And the first day, you know, you know, as a freshman. 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.720 You're just sitting they're not picking you. So you get 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.800 on the quarter end. So about two weeks later, a 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:24.800 bout a week later, uh, Michaels picking and he's like, 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.920 I got I got New York. They used to call 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:32.520 me New York. I got New York. It's like, oh shit, 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:37.520 I got picked first. He was like, first, it's twenty 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:38.320 pros in the gym. 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:40.160 I was like, oh, it's case. 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:43.080 I was like, so my my confidence was boost So 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.400 now we're playing right, and we went in. We went 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.560 in games and so every time we win, you know, 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:49.600 you go get water. And I'm watching Mike and he's 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.640 standing in the middle of center court. 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:54.600 I'm like, I walk up, like, yo, what are you doing. 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:57.480 He's like, I want the mother because to know that 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.200 I'm never leaving the court. I'm gonna be the use 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:01.360 to stand here at last. 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:03.439 I was like, all right, so. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:04.000 We both. 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:10.200 How we I mean, he was like, I mean, he 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.160 was the first dude that I met. 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:17.240 That could back up his trash like every day every day, 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.240 always a talker, always a talker, and always backed it 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.920 up though, like and he really took more pride, especially 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:24.840 than his defense. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.520 He's like Walter Davis. You're not scoring today. You're not 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.840 scoring today, Walter Davis like he That's the type of 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.240 energy he was on all the time he and when 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:39.160 he when he got to the league. So we had dorms, 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.360 and our dorm numbers don't change. So if you had 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.520 dorm number eight, it's the same phone number next year. 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:46.760 You're just a different person. 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.760 So so all of when he comes in town, this 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:54.080 is before the Instagram, and you'd hear the phones go 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:58.520 bring and somebody hang up bring and you just hear 0:11:58.640 --> 0:11:59.319 going out. 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:03.400 So it's him and all he say is schools in session, schoo. 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:08.000 So everybody come in the hallway, like Mike's here, Mike's here, right, Mike. 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.440 So he go and he called each room to let 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.200 her know come to the gym. School in session, so 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.839 the gym would be packed. We got four thousand people 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:16.880 watching our pickup games. 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:18.800 That's crazy, four thousand. 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:20.839 That's dopest hell. It was. It was. 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:25.760 It was unbelievable that time basketball was a different There 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.280 was no Charlotte Hornets. So like people would and this 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:30.920 is no social media, and people that. 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:34.200 All hold campsites word them. 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:35.679 Out and they would be for it would be four 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:37.360 thousand people when he came in that gym. 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:41.480 Good old, I mean obviously with his competitiveness and his 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.400 desire to get better at a young age, did you 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.160 see him possibly being a great I. 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:46.920 Knew he would be great. 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:50.800 I never thought he'd be the greatest because when I 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:54.400 first saw him, and then when I saw him when 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.520 we even in practice, like you don't like, I guess 0:12:58.480 --> 0:12:59.800 it's like have a. 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.200 Buutiful wife and you like take it for granted. 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:03.640 Because he there every day. 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:05.480 You see, you see it every moment. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.240 You know, you see every moment you know a beautiful 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.040 person you're around. You see their bad side too, you 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:14.959 see the days that they're in the mood. So for him, 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.200 I saw those moments and I was like, but then 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:21.080 when he when he left and he came back, I 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.679 saw that the energy that he put into his game, 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:28.080 like he never stopped working. Man Like his stelf is 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:31.319 not an accident. Like it's not like, oh he was gifted. No, 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.600 he was the most fundamentally sound player that ever played 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.360 the game. If you watch the videos, his his left 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:38.800 handed is in the correct paths and lane. 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:40.960 His footwork is unapeckable. 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:44.800 The offensively you know, his jab step is he's the 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:48.240 always ball, moved, beat, stay still like all of those 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:49.880 things were all the time. And then he was the 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:53.320 best athlete. Most guys who were athletic didn't rely on that. 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:55.920 You know, his greatest even you know, and this is 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.800 not a not but his greatest Claude Drexler was. That 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.560 was the difference between him and Mike. To me, it's 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.720 just the fundamentals of job step and that's, you know, 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:08.000 the stuff that Dean Smith learned. But uh, and it 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:11.600 Mike gets a lot of credit for, like his quotes, 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:19.880 but it's just Dean Smith's quotes. It's stolen. It's just 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:24.560 he just adds, explicits everything everything that Coach Smith said 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:28.360 to us, That's what Mike said. Every know you you 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:32.200 can pull it. It's every interview. It's plagiarism to the fire. 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:35.320 Let's welcome to the show. 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:37.680 Lawrence Taylor, what do you remember about the pickup games 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:39.480 of North Carolina on the basketball court? 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:41.360 I mean you were in school with somebody. Let me 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.640 tell you something. Hey, look we get back in the day. 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.240 We used to dad going to go out there and 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:50.440 play and play. 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:55.240 And and I remember. 0:14:56.400 --> 0:15:02.920 For the the intermediate Uh yeah, yeah, we won the 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:08.320 championship because you know, but we was disqualified because we cheated. 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:15.360 But you know we ain't really cheat. One of our 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:20.600 players he was actually he wasn't actually in school. Yeah, 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.240 technicality against that. But I used to go out there 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:32.040 and play with all the boys, I mean, Jordan James Worthy, 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:35.240 all those guys that I used to go. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:35.960 Out there and play. 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:37.280 And what was. 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:39.280 Your game like? 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.640 Well, see the problem is I couldn't hit nothing from 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.440 like thirty five feet but thirty one. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.120 Thirty is it? 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:54.400 And they used to say they just say, let's say, 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.520 well I could, I could, I could shoot the ball. 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:01.640 I'm alf in the decent in defense, I already got 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.040 mad because they only give you six files. 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:08.240 Garden getting more. 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.200 Than six fis I need more than six. 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:15.800 Imagine somebody imagine you having more than six pounds dead. 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:16.160 Lt is on me. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.960 I'm passing that bitch. Cut it out, someone else do something. 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.720 I love the years that Carolina. I think it's one 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:28.840 of the best schools far as getting meeting people and 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:30.120 and and and. 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.120 Just that the whole preparing you for life. 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.240 Yeah, yeah, because I've been to a lot of ship 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:42.480 and the lot of ship that Carolina, you know, been 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:46.120 threatened that I may listened one year. Okay, I'm not 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.120 gonna tell you. 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:49.920 Come on, going in too much. 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:57.960 Senior year and we're out and some of my boys 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.160 and stuff, and they got this big old fest of 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:04.240 own stuff, right. So we go to the festival because 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.679 it's right there at Aaron House. And we go to 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:10.560 the festival and a couple of my boys stole a 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:20.080 couple of items from the festival. So they gave him 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.359 to me the whole because like, you know, ain'tbody gonna 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:26.240 fuck Maybe I mean sall my language, but anybody gonna 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.840 mess with me. So I sit there and I held 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:35.160 the ambers and then all of a sudden, the the 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:39.360 the lady that's what the ta or whatever that that 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:46.720 the lady is, she came over there and started fussing, 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.119 arguing stuff like that. Anyway, I got sent to what 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:56.560 back in college, uh to court, Uh you know the 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:57.639 campus court, CA. 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:57.960 You know. 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:06.879 So I got sent there, me and a couple of 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:12.600 mother boys. And so what they did is I wasn't 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:17.320 allowed to stay on South campus anymore, you know. So 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.239 I wasn't allowed to stay on Stamp campus. And you 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.600 know this going into my senior year and I'm worried 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:27.320 about if I'm gonna be able to. 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:28.400 Play my senior year. 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:31.800 So decided, you know, he can play, He's just not 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:33.880 allowed to be on South campus. 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.320 Okay, So they put us. 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:46.640 On in a building on North campus, fourth story building, 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.240 and it was four of us guys. 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.600 For the We all had a floor. 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.000 I could stay on the first floor that somebody else 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.879 got stay on the second, four, third, fourth, greatest segment. 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:01.560 I was gonna say, so you got in trouble and 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:02.120 it got better. 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:03.359 Oh God, the greatest. 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:07.640 Take a girl hey, and it was a girl's dormitory 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:11.000 right across now, greatest. 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.400 It was one time the trouble was that wouldn't worked 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:15.560 for me. 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:23.040 All trouble turns into gold. I'll tell you speak to 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:26.120 your friendship. Obviously every week you got a good relationship 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:26.720 with Michael Jordan. 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:27.679 But how does that start? 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.200 And how is it in one of those golf matches, 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.080 like I know you guys both being very competitive. 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:39.639 Well, Mike, when I actually my senior year, not my 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:44.320 senior right after I seen my rookie year in and 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.960 at the Giants. Mike came to school that year. So 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:54.480 I came back to finish up school that summer and 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.800 so he was playing with the team practice and with 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:04.480 the team, and and uh, what's the coach? Same Dean 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:08.720 Smith allowed me to practice with him, right, he allowed 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.560 me to practice, and Mike was always every time I 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:12.960 turned around, he just taked. 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.600 Hey call him foul, foul, foule file. 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:20.200 I just hit you a little bit, Come on, man. 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:25.000 So every time Mike had the ball, I wanted guard. 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:26.480 I wanted to guard Mike. 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:28.720 Because he was then it was the paint fre you 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:32.280 guns I am because I know Michael was dropping you off. 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:35.120 Yeah, yeah, he's gonna drop me off. But he's gonna 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:37.200 drop me off of a little something in his egg 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:41.520 gonna Yeah, I'm gonna throw something now. So you know, 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.399 I'm not saying that I'm a fair player. 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:48.920 I'm just saying I'm a player. 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:55.000 I'm not saying but hey, we used to have a 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.560 great time doing that. And he is, truly, you know, 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:03.159 one of the best. But I'm the best when I 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:04.920 come to when it comes to fouling. 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.240 Though, I would you dun't? 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:09.359 You can't ask that question, could I dunk? 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:10.880 How you want it? 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:11.560 Really? 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:12.520 How you want it? 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:14.439 Okay, how you want it? 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.520 I know I heard it. I heard you want it back. 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:19.280 What's all that said? 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.200 I could do anything I wanted to your way. 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:26.720 I was an athlete, man, Yeah yeah, I mean I 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:28.480 was in the NBA and I couldn't do half that ship. 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:32.520 So I had to ask, I couldn't do it? 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:35.600 How did how did golf come into your game? And 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:37.879 obviously you guys have heard legendary stories about just the 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:39.960 competitives with you two on the golf course. 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:47.360 Mike, it's competitive in anything he do. Okay, listen, he 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:51.240 does nothing half ass nothing. 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:52.400 I mean I don't. 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:55.960 I don't care if it's if it's if it's shooting marbles. 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:59.639 He does nothing half ass. You know, he won't sit 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:05.560 beat the best at everything he does and pretty. 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:05.880 Much is. 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:13.960 Welcome to the show regimember. So obviously your ship talking 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:16.000 is so legendary. You're one of the very few and 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:18.439 maybe the only person that got in got into a 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:20.000 fight with Kobe and MJ. 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:23.320 What kind of homewor did you do for both them? Dudes? 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:25.520 I just think they got in the fights because they 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:26.680 got tired of chasing this nigga. 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:31.440 Like, man, slow down, man, you got that. 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:32.200 All right. 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:36.160 I've been waiting, Okay, yeah, I've been waiting because people 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:38.280 always ask me, and I've been waiting for the right 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:41.399 forum to tell the story. 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:46.680 Welcome to death Rope. I mean, we're honored. We will 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:50.080 start with the MJ fight. Shall we watch them? We 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:51.359 shall a little trip down memory. 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:54.120 But you gotta go back, gotta go back to when 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:54.840 they have the ball. 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:58.399 So go back, go back, old on. He got to 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:01.119 pull the whole clip up, the whole clip up. Here 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:01.320 we go. 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:06.640 Yeah, so this is it. Watch this one two. I'm like, okay. 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:09.920 I tried to get him there and he got out 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:13.200 the way. So I was like, all right, tipping, I'm 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:14.120 going straight to him. 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:14.800 Let him know. 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:15.560 Okay. 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:17.879 I had to hurry up and turn around because I 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.160 don't want him to come in like choke hold being 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:25.040 he tried to rake you. So I'm like, okay, we 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:27.639 both get into we get into this. He scrapes my 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:28.960 eye like I can't. 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:31.439 See, like he was trying to scratch it. 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:39.080 I saw him, right, So all this goes down. This 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:40.920 is in ms A, by the way, this is it. 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:41.879 We're at home. 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:48.000 We are at home and Marcus Square Arena playing Michael Jordan's. 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:51.640 So this ship goes down. 0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:57.800 Ronnie Nune, Yeah, that. 0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:04.240 Little comes in breaks it all up. They huddle up. 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:08.480 I'm thinking, okay, so back in the day, a lot 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:08.679 of it. 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:11.439 Look at this, scratch, scratch the crap out of me 0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:12.840 fifteen face, look at this. 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:18.040 But look I'm holding them and controlling it. 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.560 I'm like, okay, but you ain't going anywhere. 0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:25.320 Yeah, those pull ups break stadium. 0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:28.720 So I'm thinking, okay, maybe we'll get double technicols. 0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:32.120 Maybe if I get. 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:33.440 Thrown out, he's gonna get thrown out. 0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:44.480 We both are throwing Jess curseyes man. Okay, Jess had 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:49.439 a fresh do for the game, was clean. So just 0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:52.440 you got kicked out the game. I didn't know that. 0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:57.880 That's wowches No. Three. 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:01.120 They ain't never throwing Mike, who's free throws right now? 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:02.240 You found him rich. 0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:04.560 They thought Mike got no motherfucking game. 0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:10.800 In our in our building, maybe Chicago, in our building. 0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:12.080 He's shooting the technicals too. 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:15.720 God damn forty five on us. 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:17.560 Not that he wouldn't have scored forty five with me 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.879 in the game, but ship give me a chance in 0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:21.680 our building. 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:25.199 MJ threw three punch in the league and then get 0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:26.000 kicked out the game. 0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:31.000 The next day, I got a one game suspension. 0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:32.680 You got kicked out any game suspension and he got 0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:34.760 three games? So why did he get three games? Then 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:39.000 right and kicked out in the game. Wow, So they 0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:39.840 let him play the game. 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:43.640 The suspended three game and then suspended us. And that's 0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:46.720 what they did me. At the San Francisco prom Come on. 0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:55.040 Man, mix in town. 0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:56.160 Max said, when Mike kame to Houston, all his women 0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:56.640 started working. 0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:59.000 Here's the here's the thing, man, you woill see these 0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:01.600 you woill see you know, you go out to a 0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:06.160 club or whatever, bar, whatever, and you see these same chicks. 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:11.199 Real regular you come to a bulls game. Why are 0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:13.240 you dressed like it's Sunday church? 0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:13.600 Man? 0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:15.720 I told you about this. 0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:20.400 Mike come to your city is coming out right, and 0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:23.840 they think they're gonna getting married. Hit one of them things. 0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:25.920 It's gonna get hit by Mike. 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:32.919 Of my whole career. One thing I wish a regret. 0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:36.000 And you know people will say I wish we would 0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:38.200 have had I would have had more than one series 0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:39.240 versus dude. 0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:41.160 I'm not saying I would have won. 0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:43.280 You would have won, probably not. 0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:50.160 But you're judged like wins. I won a few battles. 0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:54.879 He always won the wars He's got six of them 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:56.359 and we took them seven games. 0:26:58.080 --> 0:26:58.720 I just wish we. 0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:03.320 Would have had I wish I could have gone against 0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:07.080 him more. Yeah, and I don't want people jumping on 0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:10.160 the internet. I'm not saying we would have beat them. 0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:13.600 I would if I would have been the same thing. 0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.680 But man, I want to see I got confident. 0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:19.400 I want to see how I am versus that dude 0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:22.199 thing too, you know, I want to see how I 0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:23.280 am versus that dude. 0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:25.359 He obviously had a lot of respect and spoke highly 0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:27.800 of you, But what was different when you played a 0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:29.879 game against him and the bulls. 0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:32.560 I can only speak for myself. I can't speak for Max. 0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:39.359 There was no weaknesses. Try to force them left, you 0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:42.040 try to force them right, You try to top lock them, 0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:47.560 you try to hold, you try to be physical with him. 0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:50.600 I I equated to like this. It was like and 0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:52.720 maybe this is how sinners feel when they were going 0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:53.280 against Shack. 0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.440 He was Shack of shooting guards. I don't care. 0:27:57.920 --> 0:27:59.359 There was no way you can get around them, in 0:27:59.359 --> 0:27:59.800 front of them. 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:01.520 He was just too strong. 0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:04.679 And then he had a forty eight inch vertical, so 0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:09.840 there you were never blocking his shot and he could 0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:14.720 stop on a die his handles, and then he held 0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:18.200 the ball like it was like an orange. 0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:20.800 So he's tawning you holding the ball on your face. 0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:24.600 The tongue is all out and shit and showing the 0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:26.639 fucking gum and all that shit. 0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:29.400 And then come down. 0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:31.560 The black eyes are looking at you, and I'm looking 0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:33.400 right back at it, and I'm the fuck I ain't 0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:42.560 going anywhere, and he's looking at you, and man, no weaknesses, none, zero. 0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:46.480 I could look. I loveday. I'm watching. 0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:48.840 I'm always trying to find a tail, and I found 0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:49.840 a tail on everyone. 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.000 I could not find a tail. 0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:58.080 Not one damn Like, Okay, if he goes left x 0:28:58.120 --> 0:28:59.920 amount of times, what is his percentages? 0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:00.920 Great? Right? 0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:07.760 Great, step back great, great, great, rebounding great, passing great. 0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.880 You can't punk him. I'm trying to find something. 0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:15.920 So it's almost like ship by committee there, key, I mean. 0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:19.120 We got to get some help down this motherfucker. Come on, 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:24.720 come on now, I've been calling to crowd to bed. 0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:28.280 That's the toughest shouting basketball, which is the fight away. 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:31.560 He shot that ship, I mean high clip at the toughest. 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:35.280 Cannot block it. You can't get it. 0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.640 But see fade away and it's at forty eight inches. 0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:40.440 When it got to learn how to put his back 0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:42.120 to the basket and get in that post. 0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:43.440 That's what he got. 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:46.080 Then got he would do the one. 0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:46.760 Yeah, he get that. 0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:47.920 He get that. 0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:56.880 Him and maybe maxkinis hast to this picking rolls. Don't 0:29:56.960 --> 0:30:00.080 let your big be one step to he split and 0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:04.360 then now it's up to dyl and Antonio alone. 0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:11.720 Here's your problem. 0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:16.200 Now he splits. But then when you would extend him. 0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:19.600 To half court, he would get this shoulder or this 0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:22.000 shoulder which way he was coming off, and get under 0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:25.440 the big and then it's downhill. So now if you're trailing, 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.960 as shooting guards are, you got to get under and 0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:31.040 then he's put and on top of that he can shoot. 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:34.360 He can shoot. They talked about it. 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:36.560 I've seen a lot of videos about his leticism, but 0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:38.959 I seen the video recently and when he got a 0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:40.800 till ball and they passed on them, he went up 0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:42.280 a vertical on Charles Barker. 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:45.680 That ship was so bad. I'm like, that's another thing 0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:47.120 that people don't understand. 0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:50.120 Not only could he he's known for, you know, the 0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:54.920 two handed, but he could one leg to either leg too, Yeah, 0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:59.720 either leg, like it was and be out till four 0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:04.440 or five five o'clock in the morning, smoking, drinking whatever. 0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:10.000 Yeah, car, yes, all this shit games at seven, seven thirty. 0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:14.040 Sometime he'll go play golf the same day he played. 0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:17.960 Man, it's almost like he was trying to make it fair. 0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:20.040 Let me go get a buzz into some heat strokes. 0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:21.240 You guys can have a chance to know. 0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:29.520 Didn't have a tail, guys, and you know it. You 0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:30.320 hear it all the time. 0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:32.960 Who's the goat, who's the greatest and all that between 0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:35.400 you know him and Lebron. And I try to stay 0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:38.400 away from that because I went against Lebron. 0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:40.600 His first year. He was a rookie my last year, 0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:44.200 so I don't have no point of reference. 0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:49.360 But I will say Lebron has the greatest career. 0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:52.160 I say it all the time. He has the greatest career. 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:58.600 But Mike is the best basketball player ever. Welcome to 0:31:58.640 --> 0:31:58.920 the Show. 0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:04.720 Only the eighth player to average twenty five points ten 0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:08.080 consecutive seasons, nine time All Stars, seven time All NBA 0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:11.560 retire when he retired, the seventh leading score at the 0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:15.080 time twenty over twenty six thousand points. But again, that's 0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:18.760 something we touched on the credit and the respect because 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:20.440 you were going head to head with MJ a lot 0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:24.640 of times but got the better of him a lot 0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:25.160 of times. 0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:29.480 Yeah, he was a bad man. He was good. You 0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:29.760 know what. 0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:31.160 I found this. 0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:36.480 Out early, I would say about a couple of years ago, 0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:39.800 and didn't realize that he and I was only two 0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:42.160 fold in the NBA history that average thirty against one 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.200 another our whole career, for a whole career. 0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.160 Really, you had to man. 0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:51.080 I had to get thirty against him on there too. 0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:52.280 He was a man. 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:55.000 And you shot nearly fifty percent while doing it by 0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:56.040 average thirty. 0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:57.160 And that's a lot of things. 0:32:57.160 --> 0:33:00.959 People don't realize the efficiency that I score with that 0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:05.880 I didn't take thirty shots in May twelve, you know, 0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:09.800 and especially in that era with the physicality and you're 0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:12.200 getting hit in touch and still they able to be 0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:12.800 that efficient. 0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:13.959 Yeah, and it says a lot. 0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:16.040 Yeah, but yeah, MJ was. 0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:18.280 Do you have a battle that comes to mind when 0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:20.600 you I mean, obviously you guys played a ton of times. 0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:22.840 I've said this many times, you know, people heard me 0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:26.560 say this. I think I scored fifty seven in Atlanta 0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.240 and I didn't play the fourth court and we went 0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:33.560 back to Chicago. A little while later and we're in 0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:36.920 the locker room suiting time. MJ walks down the locker 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:42.320 room shuitting time. I'm saying, in your yeah, I'm just 0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:43.680 coming out, Like what are you coming in there for? 0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:45.640 Like he come in the training room or something weaker. 0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:48.720 He walks by me, walks by Cavill to get the 0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:50.600 Randy Whitman and taps him on the ass. They said, 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:52.280 lay him up, it's going to be a long night. 0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:54.160 And turns to walk out, and I. 0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:55.440 Ain't know what to say. I'm shocked. 0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:58.440 I'm like, well, you tell that somebody, Scottie Pippin, I'm 0:33:58.440 --> 0:33:59.320 gonna kick his ass. 0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:01.080 I didn't know what to say. 0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:02.840 Man, you know, I'm like, I'm blown away. 0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:04.080 Man. 0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:05.880 He had sixty that night? 0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:08.400 What you do? 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:12.359 We we won the game? Ye had sixty that night. 0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:16.120 I had a hell of a game. But he had sixty, bro, 0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:20.120 And when it wasn't like no, like it was a 0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:23.600 hard sixty either. The way he was scoring, he was 0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:25.200 like he was on a miss. I think he was 0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:28.200 like pissed off that I had fifty seven, you know 0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:32.720 a few days before, and he went crazy. 0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:34.279 But I said it loud enough so you could hear 0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:34.920 it too, Yeah. 0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:37.800 Yeah, and so it's it really set up the games 0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:41.840 we played against each other our career. You know, game 0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:45.360 I'll have forty three here forty one, or he'll have 0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:48.080 forty six and I have forty. I mean it was 0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.640 go like that all the time, battles. 0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:50.960 You know. 0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:54.040 He was a hard man to beat. That team was 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:56.799 so good though, That team was that was That team 0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:59.719 was made up of a bunch of great great role 0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:02.080 play and I think Scottie Pippen I have a lot 0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:04.920 of respect for. I think he's one of the greatest 0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:07.320 role players they ever played this game. Yeah, he probably 0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:11.120 the best, Yeah, they ever played this game. And so 0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.600 he was a great compliment to Jordan. 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:16.360 It's so hard for a lot of players, especially in 0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:18.480 Mike's era, to give him his props. 0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:20.160 Why is it so easy for you to give him 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:20.560 his props? 0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:22.880 And if you ain't ever faced them, you don't understand. 0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:27.279 If you ain't ever faced Mike on, you can't make 0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:27.840 that comment. 0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:28.760 Yeah. 0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:31.800 Man, I played against some of the most hard nosed, 0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:36.480 talented players ever played this game. He was a phenomenon 0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:40.759 and he had attitude with it. I mean he was 0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:44.479 when you played against Mike. His eyes are bloodshot red 0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:47.719 every game, like he was possessed. And I just sitting 0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:50.280 there and said, I got to go work tonight because 0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:55.560 Jesus is coming, you know. And so he and I, 0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:57.879 you know, we had so much respect. But I'm gonna 0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:00.279 tell you when I knew how good he was. When 0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:02.319 we was in college. I was a junior, he was 0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:04.880 a freshman. Were playing Carolina and the first time James 0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:07.160 Worthy and I had a chance to play against one 0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:09.640 another since high school. In high school, we we came 0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:12.480 out the same area but never played against others. So 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:17.399 that Carolina game we played, were going back and forth. 0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:19.960 Or the first player of the game, I went up 0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:24.759 and I caught you know, Worthy's finger roll and I 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:26.360 wanted to, you know, set the tone. I threw it 0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:27.640 like six rod in the stands. 0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:29.480 You know this goal, We're gonna go. 0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:30.080 We gotta come. 0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:32.920 And the game was back and forth the whole game. 0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:35.880 Close Worthy with having the hell of a game. I 0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:37.440 was having the hell of a game. In the last 0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:39.840 two minutes of the game, a young kid named Michael 0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:43.320 Jordan took over by himself. 0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:44.680 A freshman. 0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:49.840 He's a I said, I was like, who is this kid? 0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:53.839 Right here, man, And so I knew I knew this 0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:55.880 he was gonna be a great pro. I didn't know 0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:58.400 he gonna be that good of a pro. And but 0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:01.799 that's kind of set at the tone for me and 0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:04.840 my thoughts of what I saw. And because, like I said, 0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:07.480 if you hadn't played against Mike, you have no clue. 0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:10.319 You have no clue how good he is. 0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:13.520 Honor to have you on the show today. The one 0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:14.520 and only Craig. 0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:17.879 Hodges talk to me about the one time you guys 0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:20.319 are finishing up the season against Miami, right and you're 0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:21.520 going to see him in the first round of the 0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:22.440 playoffs exactly. 0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:24.759 We're playing in Miami and were rolling at this time. 0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:28.160 The system is system is really playing for itself. And 0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:30.120 that's the cool part about the system. Once you get 0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:32.359 into it, you just come to games. Man, you didne 0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:35.719 did it so much and it flows. So we're going 0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:38.399 to shoot around and we're leaving shoot around and we're 0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:40.160 on the bus and them JS like, man, drop me 0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:42.520 off here and drop him off at the bar. He say, 0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:45.919 you gonna have some beers, right, Huh sayn have beers? 0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:49.719 The okay, gonna have some beers. So he tells us 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:51.279 to pick him up on the way back to the game. 0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:52.719 We picked him up. 0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:54.600 He still got his sweats on, you know, MJ. Come 0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:57.040 the game shooting and boot it all right, still got 0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:00.200 his sweats on. Pick us up, you get on the bus. Yeah, man, 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:04.120 feeling good, right, bubbly gets me to be on it. 0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:10.040 Got thirty at half all right, going through warm ups. 0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:11.600 Man, I'm seeing three rams. 0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:12.960 I'm gonna show that to one in the middle. 0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:19.640 Okay, that's hard, okay, and then told us if y'all 0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:21.799 can't beat him, we don't need to win a championship. 0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:24.719 Y'all can beat him without me. But came in there 0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:28.520 and he got it done hurly. And when sat down, we're. 0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:30.840 Standing talking to KG and the next thing, Jr. 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:31.319 Is there. 0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:35.719 Hey, one of my favorite stories, you told one of 0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:38.520 my idols is the story with this man that's coming 0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:39.200 in right now. 0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:45.440 With my show. Yes, sure, hey, Extezu nudge all my 0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:46.520 idols burn guy. 0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:50.960 Rider, big bro right here, boy, Hey, y'all. 0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:52.600 Don't even know many. 0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:56.479 This is my god right here, this is my god your. 0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:58.479 Favorite stories And if you guys missed it, you're gonna 0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:03.799 get it today. So you guys were playing bulls in Minnesota. 0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:06.359 No, we was in Chicago, Chicago. It's my first time 0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:07.440 back to the store. You got it. 0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:09.319 We're back in Chicago. I told you, I got like 0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:11.360 twenty games under my belt. I figured it out. I 0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:13.800 got my little rhythm. Jayall's All Star for him and 0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:17.120 Chrystal Laighton. But we back in Chicago, so I'm just 0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:19.080 fresh out of high school. We get back and I 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:22.000 got like three hundred, probably about three hundred guys in 0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:25.239 the joint, you know, just they in the house. 0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:25.719 You know what I'm saying. 0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:27.480 I got them right here too. They're like a little 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:30.200 bowl right here, so I can see everybody coaching everybody. 0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:33.080 So I'm just in a different energy. My teammate got 0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:36.759 crashed out and Ronnie, you remember Ronnie. Ronnie was in 0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:38.719 a bad crash. So I didn't really get no sleep. 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:41.719 So I'm running on fumes anyway. Start the game, and yeah, 0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:45.120 I'm having a decent game, and yeah I'm just feeling good. 0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:47.439 I'm just being honest, like we're on some young wow 0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:48.120 shit out here. 0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:48.640 You feel me? 0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:52.680 And then that whole thing man uh Jr. And it 0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:55.080 kind of going at it. But Jay y'all winning that 0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:58.000 you know, he's holding his own. So I'm just feeling good. 0:39:58.000 --> 0:39:59.600 Come out to Tom out and I'm just like, hey, man, 0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:01.239 keep going you know what I'm saying, saying you too, man, 0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:04.480 So I go, Man, you're killing the small fucker man, 0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:06.560 like you know what I'm saying. I'm gonna come down 0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:08.879 and I'm just throwing some I'm just throwing some ship. 0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:09.520 You know what I'm saying. 0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:12.479 He can't figure out what's going on. 0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:15.160 I'm actually trying to help you, Like, dog, can you 0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:18.359 get the phone on you? Okay? 0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:21.920 I'm like, Lord, it was hidden ones I've never heard before, 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:23.360 music I've never heard before. 0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:26.640 Said I said, let me just turn it off. I 0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:28.040 don't know what's going you need a minute. 0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:31.080 Him and him and m J are going at it. 0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:32.239 Yeah, they going at it. 0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:35.360 But in the time I would come out, you know, 0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:38.319 if I'm being honest, it was just it just in 0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:40.200 the rhythm of the game. So it ain't really nothing 0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:42.360 too crazy. But he got it going. So I'm just 0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:45.360 doing something, keep going tight whatever, right because we know 0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:47.520 it's the bulls. So this is when they was the bulls. 0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:49.799 So as we going into it, I was like, man, 0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:50.920 keep killing that motherfucker. 0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:51.399 Man woo. 0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:54.319 So I just get on by myself. He understand I'm young, 0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:56.839 and wow he let me yeah yeah, yeah. So when 0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:58.719 I go off, he like, so I hear him and 0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:01.640 MJ talking like yeah, and then ain't nobody really saying 0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:04.240 that the mic like this? You know, Mike's so heavily 0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:06.920 respected that you know what I'm saying. So I'm just 0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:09.640 on some young bo I'm like, yeah, so I doubled 0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:11.239 back ball ain't out yet? 0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:12.560 Yeah yeah. 0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:14.839 So when I came back with it, yeah, keep kicking 0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:16.080 his ass and then try to get out of He 0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:17.880 was like, what is this saying? And then he was like, noah, 0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:19.239 he don't know how we you know what I'm saying. 0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:20.719 So he was like, nigga, y'all better. And then I 0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:24.600 started them get a little extra aggressive with the conversation. 0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:27.200 Was like, oh shit, what So he was like, hold on, 0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:29.239 don't look at me, and that's all I heard you say. 0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:31.960 And when I said that, I saw studying body language 0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:34.680 and yeah the rest is history. 0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:34.919 Yeah. 0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:37.680 Crazy. What did he say to get you in the 0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:40.800 hot seat? Nah? Nah, no, no, no. 0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:43.640 He was asking. He he asked me. He asked y'all 0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:46.880 what I said. And then Jay y'all said he repeated, 0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:48.520 he said, and then he kind of looked at me 0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:50.279 and kind of put the hands on the hill, like 0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:53.560 what did you say? I said, nigga, keep kicking his ass. 0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:57.640 You busting this motherfucking ass and adapted. When we dapto 0:41:58.040 --> 0:41:59.359 and I had to go, you know, I went back 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:02.320 over MG, had you repeat it? He said, what he's shaped? 0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:03.480 Then he said he was. 0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:07.239 Right there, that's the that's the PG version, right, I 0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:10.600 mean the reguard version is yeah. I mean I used 0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:13.040 to have good games against Mike. I was quiet though, 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:15.160 fact right, because you don't want to make Mike up. 0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:17.920 So he asked me prior to playing against the Bulls, 0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:20.000 like how you be doing against Mike. I'm like, I 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:22.600 get my twenty three, twenty four, twenty five, twenty six, 0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:23.560 is you know what I mean? 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:25.640 I hold my own all my own. 0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:29.319 So we're playing and going to the four. I got 0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:31.680 about nineteen something like that. I'm having I'm having a 0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:32.480 good right on pace. 0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:35.480 I'm having a good game right right on Pays. 0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:37.920 I'm watching it and. 0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:40.600 He in Chicago. He's serving Scottie. 0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:44.640 He's really all around in that game, one of his 0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:45.480 breakout games. 0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:50.440 I feel point Scotty, so I'm dashed. I got Scotty 0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:51.760 in the stands. 0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:55.080 Yeah, he was on some the Chicago Oakland ship. 0:42:55.200 --> 0:42:56.640 He was hyped. 0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:04.080 To the roof talking and it's quiet. He said, man, 0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:05.799 you keep going that, Mike, and keep going at that 0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:07.920 motherfucker and Mike right there. 0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:10.000 And we've been hyped all game, you know. 0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:10.879 Ship. 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:12.680 I went based like dunked on Mike. 0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:16.239 And I think robbing right, you know, right, he came 0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:20.280 through the middle, dumk dom Loop Loop Louke Longley, nasty 0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:25.279 and this way. Yeah, we was we was we was 0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:29.800 talking ship, slapping hands, you know, we weren't quiet. 0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:31.000 We was having this right. 0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:37.359 We're young, wow but young and wow but but okay. 0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:40.719 Order had time amount the store. Yeah, absolutely, quickly walk 0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:43.160 out the time out. Man, you keep killing this motherfucker. 0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:47.839 Man. I hear him right, you know what I mean. 0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:48.879 I hear you. 0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:51.560 So I'm looking hear me back when he'll do. 0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:53.279 That, and I'm like, you keep killing mother fuck he 0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:57.600 can't funk with you, dog. I was like, I was like, right. 0:43:56.800 --> 0:43:58.560 Right, right, right, you know what I mean. 0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:00.879 Mike standing with a fly? Was it, by the way, 0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:02.480 right right, young dude. 0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:04.520 This is my third season, this is first season. So 0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:06.520 I'm young too. I'm with the ship, you know what 0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:09.000 I mean. And that's how I played. So we we 0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:12.719 vibe right away, you know what I mean. So, but 0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:14.960 I'm like, man, this Mike Man. I grew up on 0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.279 Mike Man. I remember seventh grade having his shoes on 0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:20.040 stuff like that. That dude to give you fifty real fast, right, 0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:23.640 So I'm like, uh right, right then he doubled down, 0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:26.600 triple down. I think, say it again, Man strong for 0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:31.080 this motherfucker right, keep killing this motherfucker man right, and you. 0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:33.839 Know kg B, you know he right here, you hear me, 0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:34.640 you know what I mean. 0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:36.640 So he ain't giving me nothing, no, he like yeah, 0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:40.239 right right right, really get off, don't get piped. So 0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:43.920 I get the and Mike right here, Mike right here 0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:44.600 on the back of leg. 0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:46.640 So Mike right here, like. 0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:48.960 On the back lig he on the back lid like 0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:50.960 oh yeah yeah, oh yeah. 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:54.520 In the back y like old grandfather shoot the bubble gum. 0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:55.200 And right there. 0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:57.520 You know what I mean. You got to be in trouble, 0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:01.120 right type ship? Right, you get the switch right switched 0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:03.600 leather belt on the switch? Which one you want up? 0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:07.040 So we walked by Mike looking at me and looking 0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:10.600 at KG and looking at me. So my spider and 0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:12.880 sticks told me, you know, to go a little closer 0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:14.960 to Mic and holler at him, right, I said. 0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:15.879 Cool down a little bit. 0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:18.000 But this way he got that understanding. 0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:23.719 I said, Mike, Man, young boy, Man, he don't he 0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:25.520 don't really know what time it is. You know what 0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:28.279 I mean. He don't know the name of the game. 0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:30.879 You know what I mean. And Mike said, Mike an't 0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:33.839 really paying attention. He hear me, but he like killer Mode, 0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:38.239 so's not registering. I said, I said, too late. I 0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:40.200 didn't know, you know what I mean. I said, you know, 0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:41.719 he don't know what you talking about. Man, Just you 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:43.600 know if they're talking being you know how it be. 0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:45.040 Man, You know what I mean. He don't know what's up. 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:48.320 You know what time it is? He's like, okay, all right, 0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:48.839 all right. 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:52.919 When the game started, all I know is they usually 0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:55.359 run triangle, none of that. 0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:56.399 I'm on him. 0:45:56.400 --> 0:46:00.239 And it seemed like the shake Contino and as even 0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:04.040 you shake you to work, it seemed like everybody disappeared. 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:06.840 I felt everything. 0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:11.959 By yourself, by myself, by yourself. Right, So he hadn't 0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:14.640 done that the whole game, so he caught the ball. 0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:15.920 When he did, I don't know where the way. 0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:19.160 It was a little sign that they had and everybody 0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:21.560 moved out the way right right. He did it four 0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:27.360 or five times in a row. Bucket Yeah, found yeah, 0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:29.759 and one and I jump. I jumped high. So he 0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:31.680 is he had that fade away. He'd be leaning his 0:46:31.680 --> 0:46:33.640 foot of like a his foot of touch you you 0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:36.040 know what I mean. He'd be leaning right and I'm 0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:40.319 on my I hit hands and one I said, damn right. 0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:42.880 That was about his knife and ten points straight, you 0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:48.320 know what I mean. So he wasn't done. Bam, found bam. 0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:49.760 And even hell you by yourself. 0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:52.840 Then he he was hitting about two tough shots. He 0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:57.879 ran off about fifteen sixty seventeen word word business yeah, 0:46:57.920 --> 0:46:59.319 yea yeah, that was about about four. 0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:01.280 Yeah, he was like fifteen straight. 0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:04.440 I sols that we could do nothing. I come back 0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:07.120 and we come back. Yeah, we come back. It's a timeout. 0:47:07.880 --> 0:47:08.600 We out of breath. 0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:11.839 We out of breath, not like like you can hear 0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:13.239 you can hear us. 0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:15.319 I'm like, man, this is motherfucking KG talking ship to 0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:18.000 my fucking right right. Nobody talked to fucking Mike. 0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:20.240 Man. I gotta guard this moke fucking mind. 0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:20.680 You know what I mean. 0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:23.920 Right, That's when he was crazy. No man, my fun jay, 0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:27.680 my fun man. I said, oh good man, I told 0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:30.080 you shut the funk up. Man, it's Mike nigga. I 0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:33.719 gotta guard him. You ain't anybody ship like. And then 0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:35.520 it hit me. I was like, damn, that was real. 0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:37.920 I ain't went out there, are you right? 0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:40.520 You know it was a little defeated Mike talking ship 0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:42.560 like y'all done. Ya ain't even gonna fight back. I mean, 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:44.120 oh got it? 0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:47.200 You got Oh yeah, yeah, y'all done like you got it? 0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:51.360 Man's like, man, I was telling him, may keep blesting 0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:52.000 that niggas. 0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:53.719 He wasn't giving me nothing back. 0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:54.719 Hey. 0:47:54.920 --> 0:47:57.359 I wanted him to give me some okay, yeah yeah yeah, 0:47:57.520 --> 0:47:59.279 I want some wild ship like. 0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:03.440 Right right right, like right right, like right right. 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:09.480 Look, I got it kg right here, Mike. I can 0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:12.399 see y'all right, we play hoop right right. I could 0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:17.480 see peripheral peripherals right. So I'm like, right, I've been 0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:20.600 Mike right there a scene. Right, I'm like, man, this 0:48:20.920 --> 0:48:23.600 U tripping, you know what I mean, Like like. 0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:27.440 You know how basketball is real? Right? 0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:29.600 So Mike was one of them killers, how cold, how 0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:32.040 I feel Kobe became right, you know what I mean. 0:48:33.520 --> 0:48:35.279 I've seen you know, like so Kobe my first three 0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:36.640 years he was playing behind Eddie. 0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:39.000 He'd come in and you know, do what he do. 0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:41.200 I'm already warm. I'm grown ass. 0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:44.319 Man twenty five six to twenty to twenty three, right, 0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:47.080 you know so. But he had a hell of a crossover. 0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:51.000 He's fast, and he really had that killer instinct. Mike 0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:54.120 was a different animal altogether to me, right, and I'm 0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:56.239 not trying to put nobody against nobody close. 0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:58.000 Kobe is a close thing to come to Mike, period. 0:48:58.040 --> 0:49:00.759 I think right after Mike as far that wing play, 0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:02.680 you know what I mean, That's what I feel. But 0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:07.520 Mike had a different energy to him, and he had levels. 0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:12.040 He could turn up two three four levels any reason. 0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:14.759 Some people turn up a level or two. He turned 0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:18.239 up two three four, right, and it's real. 0:49:18.840 --> 0:49:19.080 You know. 0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:21.520 He didn't play with the ball, so he not gonna 0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:23.040 cross it between the legs, you know, like the do 0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:25.799 today rock drip about four or five times he's going, 0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:30.520 he looking right at you, and he handling his business quick, intimidating. 0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:31.080 You know what I'm saying. 0:49:31.120 --> 0:49:33.200 We couldn't even help him because it was like two dribble, 0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:35.040 pull up, one dribble, pull up fake Jeff. 0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:37.160 It was like, and that's the back when you have 0:49:37.280 --> 0:49:38.839 to play one on one d you know what I'm saying. 0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:39.480 It was basic. 0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:41.239 And then listen, if you're at the top of the 0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:44.240 key and you buy yourself and this just think about 0:49:44.400 --> 0:49:46.560 top of the top of the three point line to 0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:47.439 the free throw line. 0:49:47.960 --> 0:49:48.960 Bro, we can't help you. 0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:52.000 So so it was like it was like it was 0:49:52.040 --> 0:49:53.759 like it was that kind of bag of work where 0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:55.480 Jay Alwards. 0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:55.440 Just had to take it. 0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:57.000 But then we're going to nothing in and you know 0:49:57.040 --> 0:49:57.760 what I'm saying. 0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:01.040 You think they letting him be j They not calling 0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:03.080 no fouls, you know what I'm saying, And he just 0:50:03.400 --> 0:50:05.640 eating off that man. Bro shot the shot to them, yo, 0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:09.040 because it was real. It was real and that was 0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:09.799 an experience. 0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:09.960 Bro. 0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:12.319 I got the numbers from the game that night, so 0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:15.560 the bulls end up winning by three KG. You had 0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:19.279 sixteen points, fifteen rebounds. That was reaching for the young 0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:22.560 boy that nineteen You feel me Jr. You had twenty 0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:23.400 nine with seven. 0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:27.200 I told you, Bro, I told you, I told you, Bro, Bro, 0:50:27.280 --> 0:50:30.600 I'm bro bro listen. Oh, I felt like I was 0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:32.719 a fan. They got to sit on the beach. I 0:50:32.760 --> 0:50:35.000 got to watch one of my favorite players play every night. 0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:38.480 And then I'm watching them play Clyde Mitch Spree, I'm 0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:39.160 watching them play. 0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:39.719 You feel me? 0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:42.080 So I'm like, Man, we've been argument in the barber 0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:44.680 shop and man, j y'all run and shit might be shaking. 0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:47.160 Bitch, second chewing guard in the league. Shit, I said, 0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:52.120 every night. Shit he postioning people up. Blah blah blah. Man, mother, shit, 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:54.000 I told you had twenty nine broad knew that. 0:50:55.360 --> 0:50:59.120 Wow the show man running Maxwell. Michael Jordan said about Maxwell, 0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:02.120 something's wrong with it, guy Kenny, he fights me every day. 0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:05.400 That brings his son wearing air. Jordan apperil what prompted 0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:09.160 him to say that? What's he talking about? Mike? 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:17.000 He said, God, right now, but no, Mike, Mike is 0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:18.960 the greatest man. Mike is the best player I ever 0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:19.600 played against. 0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:20.680 Man, your hands. 0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:22.480 Down, Man, never saying nothing like this ship. 0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:25.239 Make it work? 0:51:25.280 --> 0:51:26.960 Though, Oh yeah, I'm gonna make it work. 0:51:27.000 --> 0:51:29.360 I was, yeah, yeah. 0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:30.080 I said that's it. 0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:33.400 But that's all I could do, just like, you know, 0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:37.240 cut down his percentage. You can't never stop, No motherfucker 0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:37.640 like that. 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:38.600 You gotta make it tough. 0:51:38.680 --> 0:51:40.880 You know it is, man, you know you know you 0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:43.000 got to make a tougher motherfucker like that. So that's 0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:45.200 all I was trying to do. Make it tougher that motherfucker. 0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:48.799 And he was already bigger than me. Ship, I'm sixfold. 0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:51.480 I ain't never wore one hundred and ninety five pounds 0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:53.920 so in my life, and my biggest weight I was 0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.960 one ninety four so, and this motherfucker was to eighteen 0:51:57.120 --> 0:52:00.719 and six six and jumping everywhere ever I turn around 0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:05.719 looking at the bottom rep motherfucker shooting mother. The motherfucker 0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:08.680 done spent off me and just tuk off. I ain't 0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:10.840 never see a motherfucker just spend and jump at the 0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:11.440 same time. 0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:15.680 I man, just just gone, just gone. I was like, good, 0:52:15.719 --> 0:52:16.680 Ship is crazy. 0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:19.400 Man, do you do you do you have a moment? 0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:21.360 O G do you have a moment when he was 0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:23.759 playing against him and he did something when you weren't 0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:24.440 out of court. 0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:26.880 Like yeah, man, now, yeah, that's what I used to 0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:28.360 do all the time. This motherfucker. 0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:30.440 I'd be like, man, I know I just played the 0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:33.800 best fucking defense on this mother and he spent on 0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:37.240 me this one time in Houston. You know, everybody coming 0:52:37.280 --> 0:52:39.239 out there. All them bitches came out there to see 0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:42.879 mikeel everybody you know here they come and see Mike. 0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:45.560 And I said, yeah, this motherfucker got this nigga jersey 0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:45.960 all morning. 0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:46.680 They got Max. 0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:52.200 Quit old Max for the night. 0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:56.440 Gotta go out here. 0:52:56.560 --> 0:52:59.160 His mother, So this mother. 0:52:59.040 --> 0:52:59.839 Was spending on men. 0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:00.840 Don't sit out of me. 0:53:00.960 --> 0:53:01.120 Man. 0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:02.920 It hit me on my ass when he's running back. 0:53:03.239 --> 0:53:05.920 I grabbed when I went and grabbed his mother. Man, 0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:12.080 keep your motherfucker, do not touch me, motherfucker. Keep your 0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:15.600 hands to your motherfucker self. Well we love Mike is 0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:19.440 the best, right, Yes. 0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:23.239 Go, Welcome to the show. Charlie Sheen. 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:25.640 Talk to us about how you developed a friendship with 0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:26.280 Michael Jordan's. 0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:29.360 Well, how did that happen? 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:30.080 Uh? 0:53:30.360 --> 0:53:36.400 It started with that the one thing that's in the dock. Yeah, 0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:40.279 and uh, this just this opportunity just fell out of 0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:44.840 the sky. There was this show, short lived show pitting 0:53:45.280 --> 0:53:49.160 actors against athletes in their in their respective sports right. 0:53:49.760 --> 0:53:52.600 And and the card we drew was was Jordan in 0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:55.360 a in a two on one and it was me 0:53:55.400 --> 0:53:57.120 and my dad and so. 0:53:58.560 --> 0:53:59.000 We didn't. 0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:03.879 I mean, we were just like, sure, why not, we'll 0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:06.799 get embarrassed on on national television together, you know. 0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:13.359 Yeah, he was something happened that. 0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:21.000 Day before, guess so yeah about that. 0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:25.160 No, it was just one of those things because you know, 0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:28.840 I I I never played on a team. I just 0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:31.719 played baseball, you know. But I shot with Dad in 0:54:31.760 --> 0:54:36.200 the backyard like my whole childhood. In fact, I had 0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:39.920 to grow taller than him so I could finally block 0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:43.319 his baby hook one day because that thing tortured me, 0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:48.160 tortured me, and like I, I willed myself to reject it. 0:54:48.800 --> 0:54:51.040 And so he and I were, you know, we we 0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:55.080 we'd accepted the gig and and and he was like, 0:54:55.480 --> 0:54:57.880 you know, what's our plan against this guy? 0:54:57.960 --> 0:54:58.680 And I was like, I don't. 0:54:58.680 --> 0:54:59.680 I don't. I don't have one. 0:55:00.120 --> 0:55:02.080 But if we just spread the floor, if we just 0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:05.279 don't get you know, clumped up, I don't think he 0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:07.520 can guard two people at the same time. 0:55:08.640 --> 0:55:09.959 But I don't know if he could do that right. 0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:13.319 And I told I told Dad, I said, hey, man, 0:55:13.520 --> 0:55:16.680 do not do not roll out that that hook shot 0:55:16.719 --> 0:55:19.080 on him, because he's gonna block it with his armpit. 0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:22.440 And there's a if you ever get a chance to 0:55:22.480 --> 0:55:24.719 see that whole game, not just what's in the dock. 0:55:25.200 --> 0:55:27.640 There's a moment where Dad does a head Fig tries 0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:31.239 it and Jordan blocks it with his elbow. Yeah it 0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:35.000 was awesome, but yeah, he but he had to shoot 0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:38.640 his free throws with his eyes closed, so you know, 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:40.600 bit hamstrung there. 0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:42.399 We've actually done that in the game though. 0:55:44.239 --> 0:55:52.400 Yeah, wow, damn because somebody was, uh, he was what 0:55:52.560 --> 0:55:54.440 what like what instigated that? 0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:58.279 Normally normally talking trash to somebody. Braun tried it too. 0:56:01.040 --> 0:56:01.640 That's awesome. 0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:17.120 Here it is right here, Kobe did it like that? 0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:25.160 Well I saw that in person. So yeah, So then 0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:29.440 I got his number after that, and we stayed in touch, 0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:34.040 and then I would go, you know, when I could 0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:38.680 afford it, right when I'm you know, a p after platoon, right, 0:56:39.000 --> 0:56:43.480 and I would fly out to Bulls home games, you know, 0:56:43.719 --> 0:56:46.520 and so I was kind of stalking him as well, 0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:51.320 you know. But yeah, and then then we did uh, 0:56:51.360 --> 0:56:53.120 then we worked together on a on a on a 0:56:53.160 --> 0:56:56.799 commercial campaign, we did Haynes, we sold underwear together, you know, 0:56:56.920 --> 0:56:58.160 So that was that was pretty cool. 0:56:58.200 --> 0:57:00.279 Any truth to him saying he didn't believe you eating 0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:04.600 him when you got to the underwear campaign twenty years later. Yes, yes, 0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:08.040 he raised it from his memory. We were doing this interview. 0:57:09.320 --> 0:57:12.680 And uh, it was like a behind the scenes thing 0:57:12.880 --> 0:57:16.520 just for their their content reel. And and so the 0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:20.600 guy the interview asked about that game and I'm like, well, yeah, 0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:22.320 I'm not here to rub it in his face. But 0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:25.880 did yeah, And he's like, no, you didn't. 0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:26.800 No, you didn't. 0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:27.960 Uh uh you did not. 0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:31.320 And I'm like, well, I can appreciate that, but it's 0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:36.000 on video. He was like, don't matter, don't matter. 0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:37.560 You didn't win, you didn't win. 0:57:38.640 --> 0:57:40.440 And I just thought, wow, I guess if you could 0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:45.960 just convince yourself of something like powerful, change the outcome. 0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:49.720 But no, he's a he's a he's a lovely man. 0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:50.600 That's amazing. 0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:54.080 There was a time when I would text him and 0:57:54.160 --> 0:57:59.400 this dude would literally respond in like fifteen or twenty seconds. 0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:02.040 And I never did it like in front of people 0:58:02.080 --> 0:58:04.440 to show off, like watch how quickly MJ gets back 0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:07.000 to me. Right, No, But I was just like, wow, 0:58:07.400 --> 0:58:10.160 it's but I would use it like that's now the 0:58:10.200 --> 0:58:12.600 bar and I would tell my friends, I'm like, dude, 0:58:12.640 --> 0:58:18.160 it's been like four hours Michael Jordan responded, So it 0:58:18.240 --> 0:58:19.760 was a valuable tool. 0:58:19.560 --> 0:58:20.400 For me, you know. 0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:22.920 Oh and then so I missed. I think I missed 0:58:22.920 --> 0:58:25.200 my first free throw, right, but then I hit I 0:58:25.280 --> 0:58:28.240 hit eight in a row, and then on the last shot, 0:58:28.840 --> 0:58:33.040 he's he's seated like three feet from me, and just 0:58:33.240 --> 0:58:35.960 under his breath he goes choke and I missed the 0:58:36.040 --> 0:58:39.280 last one. Yeah, so he got in my head, you know, 0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:41.640 hasn't he? 0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:44.000 Yes, that he just erased it from a memory, so 0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:44.640 it never happened. 0:58:44.760 --> 0:58:45.520 That's that sound like? 0:58:48.560 --> 0:58:50.640 I mean it why why is there even a debate? 0:58:50.880 --> 0:58:51.959 Right right? 0:58:52.600 --> 0:58:52.800 Never? 0:58:53.200 --> 0:59:00.000 I mean it just feels kind of obvious, right yeah. 0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:04.200 That Welcome to the stage. 0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:11.360 Larry Johnson to Space jam picture. Yeah, oh yeah, get 0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:13.520 us about what you mean. You're gonna get into what 0:59:13.800 --> 0:59:16.000 talk to us about space gym and what what was that? 0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:17.040 What that was like? 0:59:18.280 --> 0:59:20.240 Can I tell y'all story? I hook y'all laughing? 0:59:20.320 --> 0:59:22.880 Then what was that called? 0:59:22.920 --> 0:59:23.800 Right there? That was? 0:59:23.880 --> 0:59:26.880 That was your ladies and gentlemen. That was Michael. 0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:29.360 They built that because Mike, I think we was there 0:59:29.360 --> 0:59:31.280 a month a little over month. Mike was there the 0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:33.760 whole summer. So they built this like this is like 0:59:33.800 --> 0:59:36.520 a gym for him to practice in and get down in. 0:59:36.560 --> 0:59:39.760 And it was better than some arenas. Bro the shower was. 0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:43.360 This was unreal. And it was ball games every day. 0:59:43.440 --> 0:59:45.240 And you know the lot of cats in LA. So 0:59:45.280 --> 0:59:47.040 they was coming down Reggie, you know. 0:59:47.880 --> 0:59:48.120 Uh. 0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:50.760 And and you guys see what's my big guy name, 0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:54.120 Sean Bradley. If you show that picture, guess who I 0:59:54.200 --> 0:59:57.280 hung out with for a month. Money had Sean Bradley 0:59:57.520 --> 1:00:01.560 was me. And guess something. Ne Uggs was hurt. Mugs 1:00:01.560 --> 1:00:04.000 was hurt. Muggs had just had knee surgery. Doing this 1:00:04.080 --> 1:00:08.080 whole if I don't know if y'all saw space, Yeah, 1:00:08.280 --> 1:00:10.880 doing this whole film, he was never walking. It's a 1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:12.760 scene where we was walking. They was pulling him on 1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:15.320 the trolley. He couldn't walk. They was pulling him on 1:00:15.320 --> 1:00:17.520 the Charley Mugs. So I couldn't hang out with Mugs. 1:00:17.520 --> 1:00:19.280 He was just he was in the room all the time. 1:00:19.360 --> 1:00:22.800 Me and Sean was kind of hanging out man Sean Bradley. Yeah, 1:00:23.160 --> 1:00:24.360 good dude, good dude. 1:00:24.600 --> 1:00:26.440 What was it like though? I mean, that's that that 1:00:26.520 --> 1:00:28.200 movie that experienced. 1:00:27.720 --> 1:00:31.520 Oh no, no, it's my story. So I had a fade, right, 1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:33.840 I had for everybody got a ball here. Mugs just 1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:36.080 got a regular cut. That's easy to do, and Pat, 1:00:36.200 --> 1:00:37.840 you know when you probably got to work a little bit, 1:00:38.320 --> 1:00:39.880 but work a little bit. 1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:44.160 Pack out of what is that? What is that hot? 1:00:44.280 --> 1:00:45.680 What is that hot? Time? 1:00:45.720 --> 1:00:46.120 Pack out? 1:00:46.960 --> 1:00:51.520 But I had that's that Steve Hardy before Steve Harut, I. 1:00:51.440 --> 1:00:54.880 Had a blended fade right, and they had a tali 1:00:54.920 --> 1:00:58.360 in barber and I went there the first day. I'm sorry, 1:00:58.600 --> 1:01:01.040 I'm sorry, that's what he was. I went there the 1:01:01.080 --> 1:01:03.160 first day. I said, say, man, because they say you're 1:01:03.160 --> 1:01:04.720 gonna be here, and I said, can you do this? 1:01:04.800 --> 1:01:06.400 Oh, no problem, no problem, No brother. 1:01:07.200 --> 1:01:09.800 About five days he's later say man, getting a little bit, 1:01:09.840 --> 1:01:11.000 can you do this to fade it? 1:01:11.200 --> 1:01:13.400 No problem, no problem, no problem. 1:01:14.000 --> 1:01:16.200 About that tenth day when I went to get a cut, 1:01:16.560 --> 1:01:19.560 he started off with sizzles. He did all sizzles. I 1:01:19.600 --> 1:01:22.240 know I'm fucked up. I know I'm fucked and he 1:01:22.360 --> 1:01:26.400 was trying to fade me with sizzles. Brothers, and I'm like, 1:01:26.520 --> 1:01:28.480 i know I'm fucking He got me turned away from 1:01:28.560 --> 1:01:31.920 the mirror and it was like ten minutes lady talking 1:01:31.920 --> 1:01:35.080 about I'm done. I turned around, had a bowl cut 1:01:35.120 --> 1:01:38.480 around my mother. This was a bowl, bro. I say, man, 1:01:38.480 --> 1:01:41.120 I ain't And I went to my trailer and Muggsy 1:01:41.240 --> 1:01:43.800 Muggs little fucker ass. Muggsy cab it there be cause 1:01:43.840 --> 1:01:46.200 they was waiting on me on set and Muggsy carvey 1:01:46.200 --> 1:01:47.720 it there. He said, say, man, be waiting on you, 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:49.960 and he saw about heir this bust out laughing right. 1:01:50.360 --> 1:01:52.080 I say, man, I ain't going it there, ain't going 1:01:52.120 --> 1:01:54.120 it up. He said, all right, man. He went back 1:01:54.160 --> 1:01:57.280 there told every last one of the motherfuckers that didn't 1:01:57.280 --> 1:01:58.720 cave it, I ain't never seen you by a drag 1:01:58.840 --> 1:02:03.800 like this before. He was over the floor. They was 1:02:03.880 --> 1:02:09.320 giving it to me and T T. K Carter. Anybody 1:02:09.440 --> 1:02:12.400 know him. He's one of the actors, man, he was. 1:02:12.560 --> 1:02:15.080 He was dudes on the he's one of the actors. 1:02:15.120 --> 1:02:16.919 They had about five or six actors that are trying 1:02:16.920 --> 1:02:19.200 to teach us how to act in a short amount 1:02:19.200 --> 1:02:21.800 of time. But this dude TK Carter looked at me, 1:02:21.840 --> 1:02:24.080 said come on, LJ and took me to a barbershop 1:02:24.240 --> 1:02:25.520 right down the street and. 1:02:25.480 --> 1:02:28.600 In fifteen minutes, dude blending, yeah, brother, blend. 1:02:29.120 --> 1:02:30.920 Fucked up for a minute, though, I. 1:02:30.840 --> 1:02:33.479 Ain't never seen Mike like that. I ain't never seen 1:02:33.520 --> 1:02:35.760 Mike and Charles barkle like that. They was giving it 1:02:35.800 --> 1:02:37.680 to me all over my floor. I get your ass 1:02:37.720 --> 1:02:38.240 out of here. 1:02:42.640 --> 1:02:45.240 Let's welcome enough, go ahead, just shoot. You'll come about 1:02:45.280 --> 1:02:46.240 because you've been a lifer. 1:02:47.080 --> 1:02:48.959 Yeah, let's let's yeah. 1:02:49.600 --> 1:02:51.320 I was baking some golf gear in the back. We 1:02:51.320 --> 1:02:52.840 were the same size. I ain't seen the ship. 1:02:53.040 --> 1:02:56.080 Hey, listen, listen, man, you could have never told me 1:02:56.120 --> 1:02:58.520 it was like gonna be what it has become. And 1:02:58.720 --> 1:03:02.040 you know, a family situation like that. But uh, we started. 1:03:02.080 --> 1:03:03.640 I was a dude that wasn't you know, I got 1:03:03.640 --> 1:03:06.960 picked eighteen eighteen pick. Ain't about to really break the 1:03:07.000 --> 1:03:08.520 bank on O. Shoot if you get a shoot it 1:03:08.560 --> 1:03:10.080 at all. So, like you know what I'm saying, We 1:03:10.120 --> 1:03:11.800 was trying to figure out shit out. He was the 1:03:11.960 --> 1:03:14.600 he was the third third pick. Yeah, the highest high 1:03:14.600 --> 1:03:16.040 school pick up at that point. 1:03:16.600 --> 1:03:19.560 You know, yes, sir, give that, give it up up. 1:03:19.920 --> 1:03:23.440 You know KG was previously number five. Black came in 1:03:23.520 --> 1:03:24.240 and rewrote that. 1:03:24.400 --> 1:03:27.080 But like so we was trying to get a deal, 1:03:27.120 --> 1:03:29.960 and like our agent, I wasn't getting I was getting 1:03:30.160 --> 1:03:31.960 off of for just a pair of deals. He was 1:03:32.000 --> 1:03:34.800 getting what what our agent felt like was lowball, and 1:03:34.840 --> 1:03:37.320 then we was at uh. We went to Jordan campus 1:03:37.440 --> 1:03:39.439 flight school out of trying to borrow for the kids 1:03:39.440 --> 1:03:41.919 and ship that everybody would go to, and we had 1:03:41.960 --> 1:03:44.160 all of this and one ship they had just gave. 1:03:44.240 --> 1:03:46.280 They was giving up so much ship bro it was crazy. 1:03:46.280 --> 1:03:47.880 We had all this and one ship. So we got 1:03:47.880 --> 1:03:50.440 through hooping. The one day we icing down and. 1:03:51.160 --> 1:03:52.960 Fuck, y'all got all this ship off four and we 1:03:52.960 --> 1:03:53.400 was just. 1:03:53.280 --> 1:03:56.560 Like shit, like you know, and like we didn't know 1:03:56.600 --> 1:03:58.600 he had, you know, Jordan brand and that was all 1:03:58.680 --> 1:04:01.160 starting and ship and he was like, y'all get rid 1:04:01.200 --> 1:04:01.640 of that ship. 1:04:01.720 --> 1:04:02.760 Man, Like y'all gonna be with me. 1:04:02.840 --> 1:04:05.160 And were like okay, Like we didn't really know what 1:04:05.160 --> 1:04:07.600 that meant, but we like, we're gonna be with him. 1:04:07.640 --> 1:04:11.280 So we was, yeah, you at least get into a club. 1:04:11.320 --> 1:04:15.760 Then finally the next the next morning, our agent called us, 1:04:15.920 --> 1:04:17.560 was like, man, what y'all do we like what you're 1:04:17.560 --> 1:04:20.640 talking about? He was like, man, they just sent me 1:04:20.720 --> 1:04:23.200 over a contract. Y'all find the sign with Jordan's Wow, 1:04:24.560 --> 1:04:25.680 yeah you do you know what I'm saying? 1:04:26.240 --> 1:04:28.200 Shut all that down I went from getting a pair 1:04:28.240 --> 1:04:31.439 of DEAs and some cash in fight right here. 1:04:32.040 --> 1:04:34.040 So you know, once we've seen that, you know we 1:04:34.080 --> 1:04:36.600 was fool with After that you already couldn't tell you ship, 1:04:36.640 --> 1:04:38.080 But after that, it was all the way over. 1:04:38.320 --> 1:04:43.760 It was a whole another game. Now now we're Jordan's down. Jordan, dudes, Bro, 1:04:43.880 --> 1:04:45.760 that was a stamp of appoof bro. I was like, 1:04:46.640 --> 1:04:50.200 min mind went way different than that. You had to 1:04:50.240 --> 1:04:51.640 get to the bobcat. 1:04:51.800 --> 1:04:54.760 Was at that time, Jack get boxes every leap year. 1:04:55.320 --> 1:04:57.640 Well, what it is is, at the time I got 1:04:57.640 --> 1:04:59.640 my joint deal, I was wearing proteges. 1:05:00.040 --> 1:05:01.640 If y'all don't know what protege. 1:05:01.240 --> 1:05:08.480 Is, hold on talking about out come out. So Jack 1:05:08.560 --> 1:05:10.480 the first time, shout out Harrington. By the way, I 1:05:10.480 --> 1:05:12.760 saw our brother the first time he bought protege in 1:05:12.760 --> 1:05:13.040 the game. 1:05:13.040 --> 1:05:15.040 What happened? We made a check off that bitch. Let 1:05:15.040 --> 1:05:17.680 me start there, Okay, but it also almost the end 1:05:17.720 --> 1:05:18.240 of his career. 1:05:18.320 --> 1:05:20.440 It definitely, it definitely ended my almost in my end 1:05:20.440 --> 1:05:23.200 of my It was some bullshit ass ship ship. Stephan 1:05:23.800 --> 1:05:25.440 gave us a game. This is one I knew he 1:05:25.480 --> 1:05:26.280 was a real friend. 1:05:26.640 --> 1:05:29.720 I knew he was a real friend because supposed to 1:05:30.400 --> 1:05:34.439 that ship, I was like your son and A like stack, 1:05:34.480 --> 1:05:35.720 I need you to get in with I need you. 1:05:35.800 --> 1:05:38.520 I'm like cool, you're my nigga. The worst decisions ever made. 1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:41.160 I end up breaking my toe and playing these ships 1:05:41.200 --> 1:05:45.800 right for three years, I think every quarter at every 1:05:45.840 --> 1:05:46.360 time out. 1:05:46.640 --> 1:05:49.200 If you wanted to know my moves, you have to 1:05:49.240 --> 1:05:51.280 watch the tape. Just the black marks was all on 1:05:51.280 --> 1:05:53.040 the court, so you can see everywhere I went right 1:05:54.680 --> 1:05:56.440 w as Shoes called prote. 1:05:56.840 --> 1:05:58.960 Very first game though, he made a move he made 1:05:59.120 --> 1:06:00.360 I don't know if it was a left right or 1:06:00.400 --> 1:06:02.400 right to left, but he came out like the soul 1:06:02.440 --> 1:06:03.080 went that way. 1:06:03.560 --> 1:06:05.520 I need another Paul. This is like two minutes in 1:06:05.560 --> 1:06:05.880 the game. 1:06:06.320 --> 1:06:07.800 Game just started. I said, oh shit. 1:06:07.960 --> 1:06:10.160 So then I get I get to I get traded 1:06:10.160 --> 1:06:11.440 to Charlotte with M Jed. 1:06:12.360 --> 1:06:14.400 I'm playing in them shits. I make a move, I 1:06:14.400 --> 1:06:16.360 come out. I got my toe hanging out the mubles. 1:06:16.360 --> 1:06:18.800 I come to the sideline. I'm sending the ball boy 1:06:18.920 --> 1:06:20.560 to the back to get m saying like hold on, 1:06:20.600 --> 1:06:22.920 hold on, what's that? What's that? What is that? Like no, no, no, no, 1:06:23.400 --> 1:06:26.120 bring him some J's brought me some jays. He felt 1:06:26.160 --> 1:06:28.400 so bad for me. Dog. The next day, I had 1:06:28.400 --> 1:06:29.720 a John contract in my locker. 1:06:29.840 --> 1:06:30.840 It was a charity case. 1:06:32.520 --> 1:06:38.280 God damn. Say, you know sometimes I take it with Upda. 1:06:38.240 --> 1:06:40.640 Mike adopted Jeff. Hey, my dudes, look at that poor 1:06:40.640 --> 1:06:43.040 little boy over there. Let's get him twe You were 1:06:43.080 --> 1:06:45.680 someone that got to play with him in the summertime, 1:06:45.720 --> 1:06:47.520 but then against them on the biggest stage. What was 1:06:47.520 --> 1:06:50.520 that effect like in getting to go head ahead against Mike? 1:06:51.040 --> 1:06:51.200 Uh? 1:06:51.280 --> 1:06:52.160 My first three years. 1:06:52.200 --> 1:06:54.360 I came in the league in ninety six, so I 1:06:54.360 --> 1:06:57.400 went against the three the last three championships ninety six, 1:06:57.520 --> 1:06:58.640 ninety seven, ninety eight. 1:06:59.320 --> 1:07:03.520 I went one, one and eleven. Damn yeah, we went 1:07:03.600 --> 1:07:04.280 one eleven. 1:07:04.720 --> 1:07:06.760 I didn't play against him in the playoffs, but I 1:07:06.840 --> 1:07:08.680 was still kind of like a little fan too, because 1:07:08.680 --> 1:07:10.600 I came in at nineteen and I kind of grew 1:07:10.680 --> 1:07:12.240 up watching the Bulls. So I was a little fan. 1:07:12.840 --> 1:07:15.120 But I got my revenge when he came back to 1:07:15.160 --> 1:07:15.640 the Wizards. 1:07:15.760 --> 1:07:19.880 Okay, it's never too late. It's never too late. 1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:21.920 Yeah, when he came back to the Wizards, that's when 1:07:21.920 --> 1:07:24.400 I got my day. So these guys know, because obviously 1:07:24.600 --> 1:07:26.600 Darris and Q was with me in the summertime. So 1:07:27.160 --> 1:07:31.960 got a phone call two thousand and one. He was like, hey, man, 1:07:31.960 --> 1:07:33.919 I heard you guys in the gym. I need y'all 1:07:33.960 --> 1:07:36.840 back with me. I'm like, oh, they're like yes, Michael Jordan, 1:07:36.880 --> 1:07:38.840 y'all remember you can call people private back in the day, 1:07:39.440 --> 1:07:40.480 so he called me private. 1:07:40.920 --> 1:07:41.960 It was okay. 1:07:42.320 --> 1:07:44.120 He was like, yeah, I need you back in the 1:07:44.160 --> 1:07:44.760 gym with me. 1:07:45.480 --> 1:07:46.680 So I called all the guys. 1:07:46.720 --> 1:07:49.480 We all worked out together every day anyway, and he 1:07:49.560 --> 1:07:52.520 moved our run over to Hoops Gym over in the 1:07:52.560 --> 1:07:55.600 West Loop if you guys familiar with that. MJ rented 1:07:55.640 --> 1:07:57.440 the whole gym out for the summer and we just 1:07:57.440 --> 1:08:00.120 started working out together. We had to pretty much, and 1:08:00.200 --> 1:08:01.920 they know this. We had to go off his routine. 1:08:02.080 --> 1:08:03.960 We played every day at two o'clock, but you have 1:08:04.040 --> 1:08:07.600 to do your individual work before two o'clock and then 1:08:07.640 --> 1:08:10.280 you play pickup ball and some of the most legendary 1:08:10.320 --> 1:08:12.640 runs you ever wanted to be a part of. If 1:08:12.680 --> 1:08:15.280 you lose, you may not get back on the court. 1:08:15.320 --> 1:08:18.920 It was thirty thirty five pros. You had everybody flying in. 1:08:19.000 --> 1:08:22.000 I remember you guys mentioned Lebron James. He was sixteen. 1:08:22.040 --> 1:08:24.160 He came in to play with us. He probably didn't 1:08:24.160 --> 1:08:26.800 play till like the tenth game. I felt bad for him. 1:08:26.800 --> 1:08:29.400 He flew out the way up to play. But it's thick. 1:08:29.439 --> 1:08:31.879 It's thirty pros in the gym. That's already established. 1:08:31.880 --> 1:08:36.519 When and then the twin took him to the fifty 1:08:36.600 --> 1:08:37.720 yard line. 1:08:39.160 --> 1:08:40.479 What's the fifty yard line? 1:08:41.000 --> 1:08:44.040 And dn twin took him to the fifty yard. 1:08:45.720 --> 1:08:48.760 Man was a special party for somebody, y'all. 1:08:49.640 --> 1:08:51.599 So it's the fifty yard line. 1:08:52.240 --> 1:08:54.680 No tracks, Lebron James, and we ain't going in. 1:08:55.560 --> 1:08:56.439 We ain't going that way. 1:08:57.360 --> 1:08:58.880 We ain't going that way. But now that was my 1:08:58.920 --> 1:09:02.479 experience with Mike, So I got the opportunity. I'm not 1:09:02.520 --> 1:09:04.800 gonna little kill me with that. I got a chance 1:09:04.840 --> 1:09:05.080 to be. 1:09:05.040 --> 1:09:07.360 Around Mike every day man and see his work ethic, 1:09:08.720 --> 1:09:10.519 just like these guys like me and Dari's kid. We 1:09:10.520 --> 1:09:12.000 got a chance to be around him and see how 1:09:12.040 --> 1:09:14.519 great he was and the work after he put in 1:09:14.560 --> 1:09:16.840 and then see him do it at thirty seven thirty 1:09:16.880 --> 1:09:19.360 eight to get back in the league with something special 1:09:19.400 --> 1:09:22.360 to see. So those are memories I would always remember. 1:09:22.479 --> 1:09:24.280 We hung out and they know, guys know that we 1:09:24.360 --> 1:09:27.720 hung out. Move was four days, four or five days 1:09:27.760 --> 1:09:30.000 a week. We were together every day. Mike was so three. 1:09:30.400 --> 1:09:33.400 Like he he rented the hoops out right then it 1:09:33.560 --> 1:09:36.240 was like a joint parking lot. That was like, whatever 1:09:36.320 --> 1:09:38.640 the fuck it was. He turned that ship into his steakhouse, 1:09:38.800 --> 1:09:41.920 this restaurant. There wasn't nothing. I remember that after the 1:09:41.960 --> 1:09:45.400 workouts go from the workout, they about to play called. 1:09:45.560 --> 1:09:48.160 I ain't gambled with these motherfuckers. I was smart, but 1:09:48.280 --> 1:09:50.840 I watched. I saw, I watch, I've seen it. 1:09:51.040 --> 1:09:51.639 I seen it. 1:09:52.160 --> 1:09:54.160 But they out there like if you get you go 1:09:54.200 --> 1:09:57.479 over there, food, all this ship, wine, all that ship. 1:09:57.520 --> 1:10:00.439 They there smoking cigar, kicking it for hours. I'm like, 1:10:00.520 --> 1:10:02.320 I ain't with none of this ship. I'm gone. 1:10:03.000 --> 1:10:04.439 Yeah, it was. 1:10:05.280 --> 1:10:06.880 It was one of the you know, one of the 1:10:07.360 --> 1:10:09.559 obviously greatest moments of my life. To be around the 1:10:09.600 --> 1:10:11.960 greatest and to see how he worked and how he 1:10:12.240 --> 1:10:15.599 went about his preparation to get prepared, especially at that age. 1:10:15.640 --> 1:10:18.519 So I just I learned a lot. And they know 1:10:18.560 --> 1:10:20.560 how he was. He was super competitive. He wanted to 1:10:20.600 --> 1:10:22.639 win every day. If you won't win, you weren't winning. 1:10:22.640 --> 1:10:24.559 You didn't mean anything to him. He didn't care about. 1:10:25.000 --> 1:10:26.840 He don't like losers. You gotta win. So you just 1:10:26.920 --> 1:10:29.280 learned a lot in this competitive spirit and how he 1:10:29.360 --> 1:10:31.439 how he liked to do things. So that was one 1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:33.240 of the most memorable times in my life. To be 1:10:33.240 --> 1:10:35.160 able to play against Mike for two years and be 1:10:35.240 --> 1:10:37.840 around him and it's in his personal space and to 1:10:37.840 --> 1:10:39.720 see how he does it on an everyday basis was 1:10:40.040 --> 1:10:40.880 something special for me. 1:10:42.320 --> 1:10:42.439 Up. 1:10:42.640 --> 1:10:44.439 Not a lot of people say that we got to do. 1:10:44.520 --> 1:10:48.559 Ship talking was crazy. He like, what kind of ship 1:10:48.600 --> 1:10:49.320 talking was going on? 1:10:49.360 --> 1:10:50.200 That was like talking? 1:10:50.240 --> 1:10:55.000 And he say, crazy, ship you never want nothing? Yeah, 1:10:55.000 --> 1:10:57.080 he told me I wasn't ship. We was losing too. 1:10:57.680 --> 1:10:59.599 And Charlotte, he came in practicing and had his weight 1:10:59.680 --> 1:11:02.640 with us. Bro talk to us bad every time, man, 1:11:02.680 --> 1:11:05.439 everybody every championship with the average and everything. We couldn't 1:11:05.439 --> 1:11:08.439 say nothing, and we were showing that he was badly 1:11:08.479 --> 1:11:11.519 making the playoffs and how we gonna get six Championshipsig. 1:11:11.920 --> 1:11:14.480 Dude, what was that ship talking like back in the days? 1:11:14.320 --> 1:11:18.280 It's Mike used to like. I remember my first me 1:11:18.320 --> 1:11:22.240 first being around Mike. I couldn't believe he cussed. What 1:11:23.640 --> 1:11:28.400 I called my mama was like man, Mike cuss like us. 1:11:28.200 --> 1:11:33.519 He was just cussing like us, like but ten Twine 1:11:33.640 --> 1:11:36.400 like Twine and super shit talking you know him in 1:11:36.439 --> 1:11:39.280 the gym. It just kept the momentum in the gym 1:11:39.560 --> 1:11:41.799 and the atmosphere in the gym with Mike and Twine 1:11:41.920 --> 1:11:45.080 and different guys you had balls and there like Mike Finn. 1:11:45.680 --> 1:11:47.400 He ain't used to say shit, but he used being there, 1:11:47.439 --> 1:11:50.240 bus and folks truly, you know what I'm saying. So 1:11:50.520 --> 1:11:52.559 the ship talking used to be at an all time high. 1:11:52.600 --> 1:11:54.720 Stack listen, let me tell you the dope is like 1:11:54.800 --> 1:11:57.040 Stack did some of the most ball of shit I 1:11:57.120 --> 1:11:59.000 thought at that point, was like some of the coldest 1:11:59.000 --> 1:12:01.880 shit ever, Like he was playing for the Pistons. Then Stack, 1:12:02.000 --> 1:12:04.439 you know, country boy had a big ass boat. He 1:12:04.560 --> 1:12:07.760 brought a boat over with his two rows voices on 1:12:07.840 --> 1:12:11.400 that bitch and stage like Rember stayed for like two 1:12:11.439 --> 1:12:13.640 months and had we. 1:12:13.640 --> 1:12:16.439 Thought he they came up with my boat. That's hard. 1:12:16.680 --> 1:12:18.479 We started calling him up for a stack dollar, me 1:12:18.479 --> 1:12:20.160 and my homeboy stack dollar. 1:12:20.479 --> 1:12:23.920 I say that, I said, that boat over this bitch 1:12:24.600 --> 1:12:31.000 Michigan that was so cold to me is hard. That's hard. 1:12:32.120 --> 1:12:35.200 Yeah, s O G. 1:12:35.439 --> 1:12:36.000 The legend. 1:12:36.160 --> 1:12:38.880 Andre Watt Marita quote here. I consider Hi one of 1:12:38.920 --> 1:12:40.960 the best fighters of all time. He had a sense 1:12:41.000 --> 1:12:43.920 of class about him, which which I absolutely loved. He 1:12:44.040 --> 1:12:46.840 wasn't your typical boxer. When you hear that from Michael 1:12:46.880 --> 1:12:48.280 Jordan's what does that make you think? 1:12:48.439 --> 1:12:51.200 That's big? Anything coming from Mike, that's Mike. 1:12:52.080 --> 1:12:54.680 You know, Mike don't comment on everybody, so you know, 1:12:54.760 --> 1:12:56.400 and that's one of the reasons why he signed me, 1:12:56.439 --> 1:12:59.320 and Mike don't sign everybody, so it's it's big man. 1:12:59.360 --> 1:13:01.960 I appreciate it, and I'm comfortable, man, with the legacy 1:13:02.000 --> 1:13:06.160 I left, you know, in the ring. If they would 1:13:06.200 --> 1:13:08.080 have called me a couple of years before, they probably 1:13:08.080 --> 1:13:09.840 would have got the other guy they was looking for it, 1:13:10.040 --> 1:13:12.360 you know what I'm saying, right, Yeah, to turn up 1:13:12.400 --> 1:13:13.880 and all of that, They probably would have got that. 1:13:14.000 --> 1:13:16.960 But you know, for me, man, God had brought me 1:13:17.000 --> 1:13:21.120 through a lot and I was still changing even when 1:13:21.160 --> 1:13:23.759 I turned I was still in the process of becoming 1:13:23.880 --> 1:13:27.280 you know what I'm saying. And I had seen a 1:13:27.280 --> 1:13:29.400 lot of that stuff growing up, you know, And I 1:13:29.400 --> 1:13:31.360 don't knock nobody in how they get down, but for me, 1:13:31.439 --> 1:13:34.439 I was like, man, I'm a fierce competitor. You're not 1:13:34.479 --> 1:13:36.760 gonna step on me. And no promotion or nothing like that, 1:13:36.840 --> 1:13:40.120 no press conference. But I'm gonna try to do this 1:13:40.160 --> 1:13:43.000 in a classic way. You're gonna you're gonna feel my presence, 1:13:43.000 --> 1:13:44.559 but I'm gonna try to do this in a classic way, 1:13:44.680 --> 1:13:47.360 your way, the way I felt like I would do it, 1:13:47.640 --> 1:13:48.880 because at the end of the day, I knew my 1:13:48.880 --> 1:13:50.519 career was gonna be over it at a certain point 1:13:50.520 --> 1:13:52.719 in time, and I'm not trying to build this monster 1:13:53.439 --> 1:13:54.040 that I got. 1:13:53.920 --> 1:13:57.160 To live with now and retire, you know what I'm saying. 1:13:57.280 --> 1:14:00.280 I dropped my kids off at school. You know, I'm 1:14:00.320 --> 1:14:03.160 able to still do business. You're talking about it all 1:14:03.200 --> 1:14:06.040 the time, doing business and these projects and stuff like that. 1:14:06.400 --> 1:14:08.120 I wanted to have a life outside of this sport, 1:14:08.120 --> 1:14:10.320 and sometimes the sport wants you to crash out and 1:14:10.360 --> 1:14:11.640 they don't care what happens. 1:14:11.439 --> 1:14:13.120 To you after at all at all. 1:14:13.320 --> 1:14:16.240 So I've been able to make a great living outside 1:14:16.240 --> 1:14:18.080 of box and being retired six years now, and. 1:14:18.000 --> 1:14:21.280 I ain't took it through a punch in six six years. 1:14:21.920 --> 1:14:22.920 That's what that was the goal. 1:14:23.760 --> 1:14:26.679 That was Jordan. Let's talk about or because I'm under 1:14:26.720 --> 1:14:27.240 Joyan too. 1:14:27.160 --> 1:14:30.400 But Who's your Reggie was one of my reps mark raveling. 1:14:30.520 --> 1:14:32.679 So for me that was growing up not being able 1:14:32.680 --> 1:14:34.599 to afford them and have been sponsored by Jordan. 1:14:34.680 --> 1:14:36.080 That was the best feeling, one of the best ones 1:14:36.080 --> 1:14:36.880 I ever had in life. 1:14:37.000 --> 1:14:41.679 Man, talk about it, getting them boxes, them elite. 1:14:42.960 --> 1:14:44.280 Listen, you still get them? 1:14:44.360 --> 1:14:46.559 Yes, yeah, I need to find your rep. 1:14:46.760 --> 1:14:48.160 I got a boxing about four months. 1:14:48.240 --> 1:14:48.479 Yeah. 1:14:48.680 --> 1:14:52.519 Hey, Larry Miller, that's my brother. 1:14:52.720 --> 1:14:52.920 Man. 1:14:53.320 --> 1:14:56.599 Larry said, Man, you're a Jordan athlete for life. 1:14:56.720 --> 1:15:01.360 I said, Mary, hold you do it. 1:14:59.720 --> 1:15:00.880 Always all through it too. 1:15:01.080 --> 1:15:04.360 Yeah, But man, like, I don't know what it is 1:15:04.400 --> 1:15:05.559 with me and shoes. 1:15:05.880 --> 1:15:09.360 Always was a shoe person. I look at your shoes first, 1:15:09.400 --> 1:15:10.479 and I look at everything else. 1:15:10.880 --> 1:15:13.840 You can tell a lot some clean shoes you can 1:15:13.920 --> 1:15:14.680 tell a lot that. 1:15:14.880 --> 1:15:16.960 I just I used to call my grandmother Grammy, what 1:15:17.040 --> 1:15:19.960 shoes you got on? I just That's how it always was. 1:15:20.000 --> 1:15:21.439 And my dad used to tell me, he said, this boy, 1:15:21.479 --> 1:15:23.440 ever get some money off a whole lot of shoes. 1:15:24.040 --> 1:15:26.360 Dude, and do clean shoes. It's just like looking at 1:15:26.400 --> 1:15:30.080 the one with opatow shoes on at he ain't done. 1:15:30.560 --> 1:15:31.280 They beat up. 1:15:31.520 --> 1:15:33.960 That's a lot but that but that's also the culture 1:15:33.960 --> 1:15:37.080 in the bay too, Like we'll have some some Jordan's 1:15:37.120 --> 1:15:39.320 on and some regular jeans and a white T shirt. 1:15:39.360 --> 1:15:40.880 Yeah, long was your shoes clean? 1:15:41.000 --> 1:15:42.040 Yeah? You all right? 1:15:42.120 --> 1:15:44.240 Yeah, it's the same way today. 1:15:44.400 --> 1:15:46.400 How did the conversation and the deal come together for 1:15:46.520 --> 1:15:48.800 the Jordan thing? And what was that first conversation with Mike? 1:15:48.880 --> 1:15:50.840 Like did you almost pass out when you met him? 1:15:50.920 --> 1:15:51.040 Man? 1:15:51.080 --> 1:15:52.880 I was, I don't get in I don't really like 1:15:53.000 --> 1:15:55.600 get in all with a lot of people, and not 1:15:55.640 --> 1:15:57.519 from a disrespectful standpoint. I just you know, it's like 1:15:57.640 --> 1:15:59.840 that's so and so that's cool. But Mike is did 1:16:00.240 --> 1:16:00.639 is different? 1:16:00.880 --> 1:16:03.479 Mike got an r about it, like he not even trying. 1:16:03.520 --> 1:16:03.960 He just Mike. 1:16:04.080 --> 1:16:04.280 Yeah. 1:16:05.400 --> 1:16:07.040 So they just you know, they had that. 1:16:07.120 --> 1:16:08.880 I was on the radar and it was a lot 1:16:08.960 --> 1:16:10.920 of you know, back and forth and they'll send me 1:16:11.000 --> 1:16:12.960 a couple of boxes and stuff like that, and it 1:16:13.080 --> 1:16:14.280 was a lot of talking. But you know, it's a 1:16:14.320 --> 1:16:16.000 couple of years of that and then then we finally 1:16:16.040 --> 1:16:18.720 locked in a deal. But Mike, man, he got he 1:16:18.760 --> 1:16:20.439 got all Man, he got he got it. 1:16:20.600 --> 1:16:21.519 He walk in the room. 1:16:22.960 --> 1:16:23.640 Walking right. 1:16:23.680 --> 1:16:24.559 Now, everything on stop. 1:16:24.600 --> 1:16:26.200 He don't want nothing fake around him. 1:16:26.320 --> 1:16:28.840 Yeah, he don't want no fans. He want everything family 1:16:28.880 --> 1:16:31.439 in genuine. He don't want like he a normal dude. 1:16:31.680 --> 1:16:32.000 Yeah. 1:16:32.120 --> 1:16:35.519 He talked crazy and he competing to this day, whether 1:16:35.560 --> 1:16:37.439 he golfing, and you know he like to play cards 1:16:37.439 --> 1:16:39.120 and stuff. Man, I got a lot of love from 1:16:39.120 --> 1:16:40.840 Mike Man, a lot of love. When I was getting 1:16:40.840 --> 1:16:45.200 ready to do the documentary. My brother, uh, Deontay Thoms, 1:16:45.240 --> 1:16:48.320 and we grew up together and he worked with small productions, 1:16:48.360 --> 1:16:49.800 and uh, he was like. 1:16:49.720 --> 1:16:52.160 Bro, we gotta get Mike. Like, Bro, I'm not calling Mike, 1:16:52.840 --> 1:16:53.439 not doing it. 1:16:53.720 --> 1:16:57.360 So he was going back and forth for weeks, and 1:16:57.479 --> 1:16:59.400 I said, bro, I'm not calling Mike, but he said, bro, 1:16:59.560 --> 1:17:01.599 just calling You got to be able to do stuff 1:17:01.600 --> 1:17:03.120 like this. If we're gonna make this doc, do what 1:17:03.160 --> 1:17:05.439 to do? All right, But I'll call him. So I 1:17:05.479 --> 1:17:08.200 called Larry Miller. I said, Larry Man, look, I know 1:17:08.240 --> 1:17:08.759 Mike busy. 1:17:08.840 --> 1:17:10.680 So I did that whole thing. He said, let me 1:17:10.760 --> 1:17:11.240 let me make. 1:17:11.160 --> 1:17:14.040 A phone calling and see what's up. He called me 1:17:14.120 --> 1:17:16.080 right back, said Mike want you to call him? 1:17:16.439 --> 1:17:19.080 Mad up? So I called him. Man. 1:17:19.120 --> 1:17:22.760 We flew out to North Carolina, to the facility. We 1:17:22.840 --> 1:17:25.080 knocked it out. That was the easiest interview we did. 1:17:25.640 --> 1:17:26.400 That's how Mike is. 1:17:27.040 --> 1:17:28.160 I did us a last car. 1:17:29.479 --> 1:17:30.800 We still ain't got to sit down with him, but 1:17:30.800 --> 1:17:31.240 that's how he. 1:17:31.200 --> 1:17:35.120 Did car like Mike ms. It's a little different. But yeah, 1:17:35.439 --> 1:17:37.000 we ain't talk to him that. 1:17:37.280 --> 1:17:40.320 We still wasn't on the interview, but he said he's 1:17:40.640 --> 1:17:41.360 with us. 1:17:42.640 --> 1:17:44.800 This I called Mike kids though. So we were all 1:17:44.840 --> 1:17:47.120 in like a boardroom at the facility. 1:17:47.280 --> 1:17:48.679 He come in there scanning shoes. 1:17:50.439 --> 1:17:51.439 You better not have nothing. 1:17:51.880 --> 1:17:53.519 I was good, you know, I was good. 1:17:53.520 --> 1:17:53.680 Mike. 1:17:54.240 --> 1:17:55.760 One of my one of my guys had on some 1:17:55.800 --> 1:17:56.439 Adidas though. 1:17:57.920 --> 1:17:59.559 He don't care if it's Guccia or whatever. If it 1:17:59.560 --> 1:18:00.439 ain't your and it's not. 1:18:00.800 --> 1:18:04.400 They take like people that's in that industry. Oh it's serious. 1:18:04.439 --> 1:18:05.080 Yeah, he take this. 1:18:05.080 --> 1:18:06.719 He came in, what's something like everybody? 1:18:06.760 --> 1:18:07.320 You know, everybody? 1:18:08.439 --> 1:18:11.800 What's up with your man? I'm like, what you mean? 1:18:11.840 --> 1:18:14.200 I said, but I told you, bro not to wear them. 1:18:15.400 --> 1:18:17.200 We can get it right, man, But yeah, yeah, your 1:18:17.200 --> 1:18:17.559 boy good. 1:18:17.600 --> 1:18:19.680 But he got he ain't right. He ain't right for that. 1:18:19.680 --> 1:18:23.200 You make him take his shoes off almost damn near Bro. 1:18:23.280 --> 1:18:24.439 We went to NASCAR. 1:18:24.640 --> 1:18:28.760 How the NASCAR team they got them all, they won. 1:18:28.880 --> 1:18:30.599 Jordan's about changing tires. 1:18:30.640 --> 1:18:31.240 They take it here. 1:18:32.040 --> 1:18:36.719 It's crazy taking here, take everybody though, that's dope. Uh. 1:18:36.840 --> 1:18:38.920 Any truth that he would text you had a fight 1:18:39.000 --> 1:18:40.360 sometimes or before fights. 1:18:40.200 --> 1:18:43.559 He just send me voice memos all that. Yeah, And. 1:18:45.439 --> 1:18:48.960 I'm not comparing myself to Mike, but man, we got 1:18:48.960 --> 1:18:51.840 a lot of the same juice and mentality in terms 1:18:51.840 --> 1:18:53.360 of like it's win or die. 1:18:54.040 --> 1:18:56.320 It ain't no win or lose, win or die period. 1:18:56.360 --> 1:18:58.720 And people be like, hello, you come on, man, you're 1:18:58.720 --> 1:18:59.320 taking it too far. 1:18:59.400 --> 1:19:02.200 No, That's how I felt like I used to think 1:19:02.240 --> 1:19:05.600 in training camp on them tough days, like, man, what 1:19:05.760 --> 1:19:07.760 Sunday night, late night gonna feel like after this fight 1:19:07.800 --> 1:19:10.920 Sunday morning when I wake up, I'm thinking about looking 1:19:10.960 --> 1:19:13.880 at my wife and my kids, and I remember the 1:19:13.960 --> 1:19:15.800 last loss I had and what I felt like. 1:19:16.360 --> 1:19:18.599 You said at fourteen, though, Yeah, that's crazy. 1:19:18.800 --> 1:19:23.439 John reveris from Baton Rouge, Louisiana Country. We was in Lenxic, 1:19:23.520 --> 1:19:26.680 Kansas at the National Silver Gloves Nationals and we in 1:19:26.680 --> 1:19:30.240 opposite brackets fourteen fifteen year old division, so he was fifteen. 1:19:30.280 --> 1:19:32.320 So he's a little bit older, and I'm out boxing 1:19:32.360 --> 1:19:34.800 people doing my thing, and it's three rings, so you 1:19:34.880 --> 1:19:36.080 kind of see like, man, you fighting. 1:19:36.080 --> 1:19:37.720 But then the dude you might fight, he fighting in 1:19:37.720 --> 1:19:38.519 this ring right after. 1:19:38.720 --> 1:19:40.920 So I'm watching him the whole week and he knocking 1:19:40.960 --> 1:19:45.160 dudes out, bang bang, they going out, man, And I 1:19:45.160 --> 1:19:46.479 remember seeing them around the hotel. 1:19:46.520 --> 1:19:47.200 And I didn't tell. 1:19:47.160 --> 1:19:50.559 Verse this, but that's the last time I ever got 1:19:50.600 --> 1:19:54.720 intimidated and allowed myself to get beat before I got 1:19:54.720 --> 1:19:57.040 in the ring a mental side, and I wasn't spooke like, 1:19:57.080 --> 1:19:58.720 oh my god, but I was like, well, he kind 1:19:58.720 --> 1:20:00.760 of strong, like I had a little hea about me. 1:20:01.400 --> 1:20:04.200 It was a closed decision. Of course, I thought I won. 1:20:04.320 --> 1:20:07.439 I should have got the nod, but deep down I 1:20:07.520 --> 1:20:09.679 knew when I was going home, I'm on the Southwest flight, 1:20:10.080 --> 1:20:12.479 had a whole road on myself, curled up in the ball. 1:20:13.400 --> 1:20:14.040 I remember that. 1:20:14.120 --> 1:20:16.080 I remember looking at Verger's face and looking at my 1:20:16.080 --> 1:20:19.360 assistant trainer's face. I remember being home that week and ah, man, 1:20:19.400 --> 1:20:22.880 you lost hunh. I remember that, and I never wanted 1:20:22.880 --> 1:20:25.280 to feel that again. And I made up my mind 1:20:25.320 --> 1:20:28.400 that day nobody will ever beat me before they get 1:20:28.400 --> 1:20:29.040 in the ring with me again. 1:20:29.040 --> 1:20:29.920 They gonna have to earn it. 1:20:30.479 --> 1:20:33.040 I let your appearance, and I let you being a 1:20:33.120 --> 1:20:35.280 little older, and the way you was taking care of 1:20:35.320 --> 1:20:36.360 your business getting. 1:20:36.160 --> 1:20:41.759 Me never again, Never again. Favorite J Eleven's for sure. 1:20:42.320 --> 1:20:46.479 Really I love eleven God, I love elevens, But I 1:20:46.520 --> 1:20:47.880 also love the ones too. 1:20:48.640 --> 1:20:51.080 He's the first person I heard. 1:20:51.120 --> 1:20:52.760 I love the ones because I can dress them up 1:20:52.760 --> 1:20:53.200 and dress them. 1:20:53.200 --> 1:20:57.120 But you got I'm gonna give you a chance. What's 1:20:57.160 --> 1:20:58.240 your favorite? 1:20:58.760 --> 1:21:01.000 And I love for to story. 1:21:01.160 --> 1:21:03.160 Yeah, I love all the ones I couldn't afford when. 1:21:03.000 --> 1:21:03.400 I was a kid. 1:21:03.520 --> 1:21:04.519 Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. 1:21:04.560 --> 1:21:05.479 Like I couldn't get there, the. 1:21:05.520 --> 1:21:07.519 Threes and four us, that's the dope boys growing up, 1:21:07.560 --> 1:21:08.519 they had them on the block. 1:21:08.600 --> 1:21:09.920 That's the ones we always wanted. 1:21:10.560 --> 1:21:12.479 The ones I couldn't afford them, the ones I gravitate 1:21:12.520 --> 1:21:12.960 to the moment. 1:21:13.400 --> 1:21:17.080 You ever consider using some retros and and and shape 1:21:17.080 --> 1:21:18.000 them in the boxing shoes? 1:21:18.080 --> 1:21:18.800 Yeah, I would love to. 1:21:18.920 --> 1:21:21.000 Man, Like we we took a couple of runs at 1:21:21.000 --> 1:21:23.479 it with the with the Jordan team man, and we 1:21:23.479 --> 1:21:25.360 weren't able to like get something that can go out. 1:21:25.360 --> 1:21:27.400 But like I got that kind of mind, man, Like 1:21:27.439 --> 1:21:29.760 I think about like that kind of stuff all the 1:21:29.760 --> 1:21:32.360 time because I'm you know, I'm a creative type and 1:21:32.479 --> 1:21:34.320 it's a need for that kind of stuff in boxing. 1:21:34.400 --> 1:21:36.599 Like GE's some shoes out there. Most of them are 1:21:36.600 --> 1:21:37.040 not great. 1:21:37.120 --> 1:21:39.400 You got a few that's like they okay, But we 1:21:39.479 --> 1:21:41.519 need something that's like a standard test of time. It's 1:21:41.520 --> 1:21:44.920 like Rory's uh boxing boot, you know that he had 1:21:44.920 --> 1:21:45.320 with Jordan. 1:21:45.360 --> 1:21:48.040 That thing lasted over a decade strong, and. 1:21:48.920 --> 1:21:51.080 I might be putting something out like that one. 1:21:51.320 --> 1:21:52.360 Come on, Mike, you hear him. 1:21:53.920 --> 1:21:57.880 Welcome to the show, Josh around this time. Uh, you know, 1:21:58.120 --> 1:22:01.320 Jordan is on his way up, and you guys to 1:22:01.360 --> 1:22:04.679 beat the bull Street three consecutive years, and you guys 1:22:04.680 --> 1:22:06.040 have something called the Jordan rule. 1:22:06.360 --> 1:22:07.760 Yeah, talk to us about that. 1:22:10.080 --> 1:22:15.160 Another thing you would have liked, Matt, because push him left. 1:22:17.760 --> 1:22:20.960 That's that's your Jordan rule. Rights, that's all I'm allowed 1:22:21.000 --> 1:22:21.559 to give away. 1:22:22.560 --> 1:22:25.160 It's still top secret, no, but we're going to be there. 1:22:25.280 --> 1:22:28.400 The deal is this, you push him left right. If 1:22:28.400 --> 1:22:32.559 he catches the ball on the left side, push him left. 1:22:32.720 --> 1:22:36.640 He's not going to pass it right. Kobe is not 1:22:36.760 --> 1:22:41.519 the chucker. Michael is the checker. Kobe shots go in. 1:22:42.000 --> 1:22:46.920 Michael kept shooting until they went in. But Mike, Mike 1:22:47.160 --> 1:22:49.600 was deadly. So when he caught the ball on the 1:22:49.680 --> 1:22:53.240 left elbow, push him left. And Joe can do that 1:22:53.320 --> 1:22:56.320 all day because Joe two hundred and twenty pounds. And 1:22:56.360 --> 1:22:59.599 when he picks the ball up, go back to your 1:22:59.640 --> 1:23:01.840 man because he's not going to pass it. He's going 1:23:01.920 --> 1:23:04.840 to shoot it. And when he comes in the middle, 1:23:04.840 --> 1:23:07.519 put him on his back. So if he's on the 1:23:07.600 --> 1:23:09.960 right side, he goes left, that's when he turned his 1:23:09.960 --> 1:23:12.240 body this way and stick his tongue out. 1:23:12.360 --> 1:23:16.040 And that's when I asked, well, right when he went 1:23:16.080 --> 1:23:16.679 down right there. 1:23:16.560 --> 1:23:18.240 As soon as he goes left, as soon as he 1:23:18.320 --> 1:23:21.040 gets foot in the paint, foulo. 1:23:21.080 --> 1:23:25.200 And it's just a regular foul. Yeah, everybody gets. 1:23:25.360 --> 1:23:28.920 But don't know tic tac files meaning for anybody out there, 1:23:29.120 --> 1:23:35.360 don't pull your hand back. Foul through right foul him 1:23:35.800 --> 1:23:38.400 hit him and used to be allowed to do that, 1:23:38.720 --> 1:23:41.080 used to be allowed to you know, even if a 1:23:41.080 --> 1:23:42.920 guard was coming to the lane there was a big man, 1:23:42.960 --> 1:23:44.519 a big man turned and bumped into you and you 1:23:44.600 --> 1:23:47.599 hit the ground. RAF wouldn't call that because yo, ash, 1:23:47.600 --> 1:23:49.400 you're not supposed to be in there but the big man, 1:23:50.160 --> 1:23:51.719 and he's just turning his body. 1:23:53.240 --> 1:23:56.960 We also knew to go after Scottie. 1:23:57.640 --> 1:24:02.040 So the other Jordan rule was make Scotty keep the 1:24:02.080 --> 1:24:04.800 ball with Scotty, make everybody else try to beat us. 1:24:05.360 --> 1:24:07.439 And that said, when he caught the ball, all eyes 1:24:07.520 --> 1:24:09.680 was on Michael because he's not going to pass to 1:24:09.760 --> 1:24:13.200 your man. You don't have to worry about him Magic Johnson, 1:24:13.240 --> 1:24:16.320 and by your ear, he ain't passing it. So as 1:24:16.320 --> 1:24:20.720 soon as he puts the ball down, everybody come, everybody, 1:24:21.600 --> 1:24:24.280 every and they got you watching on film. They would start, hey, 1:24:24.840 --> 1:24:28.640 what's the rule? When he comes, everybody comes. He's not 1:24:28.840 --> 1:24:31.519 passing it to your man. And if you watch, Michael 1:24:31.520 --> 1:24:34.080 would put the ball every which way, not to give 1:24:34.080 --> 1:24:36.200 it to one of his one of his team. 1:24:36.960 --> 1:24:37.439 That's it. 1:24:38.360 --> 1:24:40.040 You got a chance to play with him later. Did 1:24:40.040 --> 1:24:43.240 you guys ever discuss what it was about the reasoning? 1:24:43.280 --> 1:24:45.160 Because I mean he openly said, I mean that got 1:24:45.240 --> 1:24:46.720 him better. Yeah, you know what I mean. Have you 1:24:46.760 --> 1:24:48.559 guys ever discussed being teammates at one point? 1:24:48.640 --> 1:24:48.880 Yeah? 1:24:48.920 --> 1:24:51.639 When I when I they didn't have to ask him. 1:24:51.720 --> 1:24:55.320 But when I came on to the team, he said, 1:24:56.640 --> 1:24:58.559 you wear a Nike, right, So I said, yes, sir, 1:24:59.160 --> 1:25:01.559 got it. He said, what's side? You were so ad fifteen? 1:25:02.200 --> 1:25:04.720 He's like, all right, that's what's up. That's up, just 1:25:04.720 --> 1:25:07.160 making sure you ain't, you know, doing no craziness over there. 1:25:07.240 --> 1:25:10.280 The next day I came in. My whole locker was 1:25:10.320 --> 1:25:14.400 full of Alonzo morning sneakers because Elonzo used to get 1:25:14.479 --> 1:25:16.880 them first, and they were red and white, and. 1:25:16.840 --> 1:25:17.559 Then I got him. 1:25:18.560 --> 1:25:21.720 I was like, good looking. He said, yeah, yeah, you know. 1:25:21.960 --> 1:25:24.919 That was that. And he would always ask us questions. 1:25:25.320 --> 1:25:29.639 He would ask Dennis questions with Dennis and have answers. 1:25:30.400 --> 1:25:32.840 Answers he would ask Bood and. 1:25:32.720 --> 1:25:35.880 He said, man, when we would come in and like 1:25:35.920 --> 1:25:38.760 I said, if we knew that we was in his head, 1:25:39.680 --> 1:25:43.000 we would have never lost. We didn't know how intense 1:25:43.680 --> 1:25:46.479 or how much we were in his head. I remember 1:25:46.560 --> 1:25:49.400 we were playing and I go in and I see 1:25:49.479 --> 1:25:49.840 him myself. 1:25:49.880 --> 1:25:51.479 After the game. He goes, yeah, yeah, you after the game, 1:25:52.040 --> 1:25:54.760 I got the Ferrari. You're gonna show you. I can't wait. 1:25:55.240 --> 1:25:56.080 We beat him. 1:25:56.560 --> 1:25:58.320 I come out and said, what's up, man, get away 1:25:58.360 --> 1:26:03.160 from me, what happened? Get away from me? I was like, damn, 1:26:03.240 --> 1:26:09.400 he's sensitive. Like, Hey, where I'm gonna eat tonight? Like 1:26:09.479 --> 1:26:12.960 I said, I was intense when those numbers was up. 1:26:13.200 --> 1:26:18.360 I would very very focused. But when we would talk, 1:26:18.600 --> 1:26:21.640 he would ask us. He would ask us, did we 1:26:21.720 --> 1:26:23.240 try to hurt him? We were like, Nah, if you 1:26:23.280 --> 1:26:25.960 went left, we hit you. We went left in the middle, 1:26:26.000 --> 1:26:29.120 you got we stopped you in the paint. Because he 1:26:29.160 --> 1:26:32.479 can ignite a whole nation by dunking on somebody. And 1:26:32.600 --> 1:26:35.439 you can see sometime he would go and we would 1:26:35.439 --> 1:26:36.920 all come and then he would try to get a 1:26:36.960 --> 1:26:39.400 shot off and hit the floor. We're not catching him, 1:26:39.439 --> 1:26:42.439 step over him and keep running. And we knew, we 1:26:42.560 --> 1:26:47.160 knew that his teammates looked to him for everything, everything, 1:26:47.320 --> 1:26:48.840 and we would punk everybody. 1:26:50.360 --> 1:26:53.040 Welcome to the show, Muggsy Bows. You got a chance 1:26:53.040 --> 1:26:56.479 to play against CMJ in college. You guys are in 1:26:56.520 --> 1:26:58.720 the league at the same time, you start to see 1:26:58.800 --> 1:27:02.400 him build his legends. Uh, any great memorable matchups or 1:27:02.520 --> 1:27:03.800 stories against MJ. 1:27:04.040 --> 1:27:08.639 You could share, Well, you know MJ he always liked like, well, 1:27:08.640 --> 1:27:11.360 I will say, you always like to fuck with me. 1:27:11.640 --> 1:27:13.639 You know you know that, you know he just that's 1:27:13.680 --> 1:27:16.600 just on one another when we come in contact. I 1:27:16.600 --> 1:27:19.120 mean even off the court to this to this day, 1:27:19.240 --> 1:27:22.679 you know, walking around, he'll put his hand up high, trying, 1:27:22.880 --> 1:27:24.400 you know, for me to give him a high five, 1:27:25.320 --> 1:27:27.760 and I'll put my hand down low and then you come. 1:27:27.680 --> 1:27:29.559 Down and give me a low five. So it's just 1:27:29.720 --> 1:27:32.160 it's just not compete. 1:27:31.760 --> 1:27:35.760 I mean, compete against one another. But but but am man, 1:27:36.080 --> 1:27:38.560 you know you always tell you especially with me and 1:27:38.680 --> 1:27:39.320 playing the game. 1:27:39.680 --> 1:27:42.600 You know, Lord, it was. 1:27:42.600 --> 1:27:44.599 Some stuff that's going on in the internet where they 1:27:44.600 --> 1:27:48.679 say that he called me a midget, which is not true, 1:27:49.160 --> 1:27:51.240 and they felt like he had some kind of impact, 1:27:51.240 --> 1:27:53.439 which is not true. He always called me short, little fella. 1:27:53.760 --> 1:27:55.599 Yeah you need law ass. He always call me law 1:27:55.640 --> 1:28:00.000 ass and that short stuff. So we playing against them. 1:28:00.000 --> 1:28:02.800 Of course, he got the ball. He just came back 1:28:03.000 --> 1:28:06.320 from from retirement. He got the ball up in there, 1:28:06.880 --> 1:28:10.200 and I'm at him. I'm playing on the baseline. 1:28:09.800 --> 1:28:10.280 One on one. 1:28:10.680 --> 1:28:13.000 Of course, everybody and my team know that I don't 1:28:13.040 --> 1:28:16.000 like help. Don't come and help me. I don't care 1:28:16.040 --> 1:28:21.000 any where they guys don't come out because yeah, no, 1:28:21.000 --> 1:28:23.160 no back and try to back me down because guys 1:28:23.200 --> 1:28:25.000 ain't used to playing their back to the backs anyway. 1:28:25.000 --> 1:28:28.120 But anyway, this particular moment, and I guess it became 1:28:28.200 --> 1:28:31.120 infamous because he got as a card that's out where 1:28:31.120 --> 1:28:33.160 he holding the ball up, and I'm looking right at 1:28:33.200 --> 1:28:37.880 him and I'm talking and I'm talking ship to him. 1:28:37.880 --> 1:28:39.640 I'm telling him, come on, what you're gonna do. And 1:28:39.680 --> 1:28:41.320 then all of a sudden he start to try to 1:28:41.400 --> 1:28:43.720 back me in, and try to back me in, and 1:28:43.760 --> 1:28:45.040 try to back me in, and then all of a 1:28:45.080 --> 1:28:47.160 sudden he tried to turn around shoot his little jumper. 1:28:47.920 --> 1:28:51.600 I smacked it down. But they call illegal defense on 1:28:51.680 --> 1:28:54.240 somebody because they wasn't that they was on to cross 1:28:54.240 --> 1:28:56.599 the line. But I always fucking with that. Tell him, look, 1:28:56.760 --> 1:28:59.080 you know, you know there was a steal on you. 1:28:59.000 --> 1:28:59.800 You know. 1:29:02.120 --> 1:29:04.400 You know that ball, that ball defender. I'm gonna make 1:29:04.439 --> 1:29:06.080 you think about that when you got that ball in 1:29:06.120 --> 1:29:06.479 your hand. 1:29:07.560 --> 1:29:11.720 The one and only Charles Barkley m v P that 1:29:11.880 --> 1:29:15.519 season but lost in the finals. We recently talked to 1:29:15.600 --> 1:29:19.840 Magic about, you know, his back and forth with Isaiah 1:29:19.960 --> 1:29:24.080 and Isaiah and MJ's beef or whatever that may be. 1:29:25.400 --> 1:29:28.960 You and MJ were really close and haven't spoke in 1:29:29.080 --> 1:29:31.960 some time. Is there is there light at the end 1:29:31.960 --> 1:29:33.280 of the tunne with that. Do you feel like you 1:29:33.280 --> 1:29:36.360 guys can mind that? 1:29:36.360 --> 1:29:39.320 That would be on his end, Matt. 1:29:39.560 --> 1:29:42.120 He was my best friend at the time, and I 1:29:42.160 --> 1:29:44.640 love the guy and I missed the guy, but you know, 1:29:45.680 --> 1:29:49.200 I gotta do my job. What I said was, I said, 1:29:51.000 --> 1:29:53.000 first of all, I don't think it's fair for me 1:29:53.120 --> 1:29:57.800 to critique other gms and coaches. 1:29:57.400 --> 1:29:58.800 And have a double time. 1:29:58.800 --> 1:30:01.320 That goes back to the skill Bailest, like you can 1:30:01.320 --> 1:30:03.120 tell the guys he like and guys he just like. 1:30:03.320 --> 1:30:04.640 I think I'm fair to everybody. 1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:08.040 What I said about Michael, I said, I don't know 1:30:08.080 --> 1:30:10.080 if he's ever going to be successful because of the 1:30:10.080 --> 1:30:13.040 people around him. I think he hires too many of 1:30:13.080 --> 1:30:17.880 his friends. And because your friends don't ever tell you no. 1:30:18.560 --> 1:30:22.479 The hardest thing about being famous is because you're paying 1:30:22.520 --> 1:30:25.760 all the bills, they're on your private jet, they're not 1:30:25.760 --> 1:30:27.200 gonna tell you when you're doing something wrong. 1:30:28.040 --> 1:30:29.040 And I said that. 1:30:29.080 --> 1:30:31.799 I didn't because he was struggling as a general manager 1:30:32.080 --> 1:30:32.880 a running the team. 1:30:32.920 --> 1:30:34.360 And I said, I don't know. 1:30:34.280 --> 1:30:37.120 If he's ever going to be successful because the people 1:30:37.120 --> 1:30:38.519 around him are never going to tell him no. 1:30:38.640 --> 1:30:41.120 And like, yeah, don't draft that dude. We need to 1:30:41.120 --> 1:30:41.680 trade that dude. 1:30:41.720 --> 1:30:46.799 Blah blah blah, and he went ballistic and he called 1:30:46.800 --> 1:30:52.280 me and that's the last thing I heard was motherfucker, 1:30:52.320 --> 1:30:54.519 fuck you. You're supposed to be my boy and blah blah. 1:30:54.520 --> 1:30:56.280 And I said, man, man, I got to do my job. 1:30:57.000 --> 1:30:58.680 And we haven't spoken since that night, and that was 1:30:58.680 --> 1:30:59.920 probably close to ten years ago. 1:31:00.920 --> 1:31:02.760 But I kind of agree with that, because you know, 1:31:03.520 --> 1:31:05.760 they traded me after I brought to the playoffs for 1:31:05.760 --> 1:31:06.400 the first time. 1:31:07.000 --> 1:31:08.920 Yeah, they do make some bad decisions over there. 1:31:10.400 --> 1:31:12.840 Welcome to the show, Barry Bonds. Than you were you 1:31:12.920 --> 1:31:14.639 close to any NBA players of your time. 1:31:15.439 --> 1:31:17.439 Jordan and I kind of came up together. We were 1:31:17.439 --> 1:31:20.160 in Chicago when Jordan first came in the league. We 1:31:20.200 --> 1:31:22.000 used to hang out in Chicago all the time when 1:31:22.040 --> 1:31:23.559 he was at the Bulls and stuff. 1:31:23.600 --> 1:31:28.240 And I don't just tell us some shit like that. 1:31:28.280 --> 1:31:28.760 Two of the. 1:31:28.680 --> 1:31:34.840 Great I tell you, like, Michael Jordan was before he 1:31:34.960 --> 1:31:40.760 even became the most famous person ever him tied and 1:31:40.840 --> 1:31:43.040 we were in Chicago and he was just I mean, 1:31:43.080 --> 1:31:45.080 he's only two years older than I am, you know, 1:31:45.200 --> 1:31:47.439 And we went out to just to grab a bite 1:31:47.479 --> 1:31:52.040 to eat, and I ain't never seen a line of 1:31:52.120 --> 1:31:55.360 people just that wanted to just talk to this guy. 1:31:56.640 --> 1:31:59.599 And I was just coming up too, so I was rookie, 1:31:59.600 --> 1:32:01.640 so nobody knew who I was, you know. It was 1:32:01.640 --> 1:32:05.120 just Bobbie Bond's son, nobody at the time. And I 1:32:05.160 --> 1:32:06.920 thought I was pretty big at the time because I 1:32:07.000 --> 1:32:09.400 made it. But Michael had all these people, and he 1:32:09.400 --> 1:32:11.320 had they had a couple of security guys there watching. 1:32:11.479 --> 1:32:13.360 Michael was so nice. He was just signing auto grass 1:32:13.360 --> 1:32:15.720 and We're trying to grab something to eat, and I'm 1:32:15.760 --> 1:32:18.240 over here going, I'm Barry Hello. 1:32:18.600 --> 1:32:20.559 You know what it's like to have somebody that good, 1:32:20.920 --> 1:32:21.559 you know what I mean. 1:32:21.600 --> 1:32:23.360 And for that one moment, I'm. 1:32:23.200 --> 1:32:25.519 Like, I want to be like Mike one day, you know, 1:32:25.560 --> 1:32:27.680 when you really see it from the very beginning. 1:32:27.840 --> 1:32:31.240 But he was so he was already. 1:32:30.840 --> 1:32:35.120 Large before k became larger than anything. And I will 1:32:35.160 --> 1:32:37.920 always remember that he was. He was always like, come on, 1:32:38.000 --> 1:32:40.240 be let's go, and you know, and it was good 1:32:40.280 --> 1:32:43.400 because we've we've always been like really, you know, good friends, 1:32:43.400 --> 1:32:45.200 and even at a distance, you know now that you 1:32:45.240 --> 1:32:47.400 know his profession's gone to where it's gone, and even 1:32:47.400 --> 1:32:49.679 got distance, we even if we talk and we haven't 1:32:49.680 --> 1:32:51.559 talked in a long time, like we talked to things 1:32:51.720 --> 1:32:53.720 like last year. We had a conversation not too long ago. 1:32:53.760 --> 1:32:56.760 And it always seems like we've never missed a beat. 1:32:57.280 --> 1:32:58.960 And that's that's what's really good about. 1:32:59.040 --> 1:33:02.160 Yeah, I got a question, I mean with We talked 1:33:02.160 --> 1:33:05.960 to Kobe about Mike, and Kobe said every aspect dealing 1:33:05.960 --> 1:33:08.600 with Mike was competitive and maybe that's because that was 1:33:08.600 --> 1:33:09.880 a young guy trying to catch him? 1:33:09.920 --> 1:33:10.800 Was everything with you guys? 1:33:11.040 --> 1:33:13.559 Was it more just a genuine conversation friendship or was 1:33:13.560 --> 1:33:15.680 there some competitiveness even in the conversation. 1:33:15.880 --> 1:33:18.440 We played two different fields, so two different. 1:33:18.120 --> 1:33:20.719 Well he tried, he tried to come to your field though, Well. 1:33:20.600 --> 1:33:21.479 That was happening. 1:33:23.720 --> 1:33:27.559 I mean, I love Mike, but no, that wasn't gone. 1:33:27.720 --> 1:33:29.840 Do you ever actual for advice on baseball? 1:33:30.439 --> 1:33:36.000 No, I got never asked him advice and bats I 1:33:36.080 --> 1:33:38.639 knew he was that good and you know, but uh, 1:33:38.800 --> 1:33:40.800 we always joked around with you. I mean, we had 1:33:40.840 --> 1:33:43.479 always a great respect for each other. I think Michael's 1:33:43.600 --> 1:33:45.680 I saw Michael the same thing he probably saw me 1:33:45.760 --> 1:33:47.960 that this I Q a vision of you know, the 1:33:48.000 --> 1:33:49.200 type of players. 1:33:48.760 --> 1:33:49.240 We were. 1:33:50.720 --> 1:33:52.160 Welcome Joe Johnson to the show. 1:33:52.320 --> 1:33:54.080 What was your welcome to the NBA moment? 1:33:54.200 --> 1:33:59.120 My welcome to the NBA moment was playing against Uh 1:33:59.600 --> 1:34:02.679 was playing against so my rookie year. Was MJ's first 1:34:02.760 --> 1:34:06.040 year back in the NBA with the Wizards. Yeah, we 1:34:06.080 --> 1:34:08.960 played against them fourth game of the season. I was 1:34:08.960 --> 1:34:12.360 starting every Ed Williams getting hurt the second game of 1:34:12.400 --> 1:34:16.040 the season, small four, so they start me. Uh, and 1:34:16.439 --> 1:34:19.680 I got a guard MJ. Paul Piers like, man, I'm 1:34:19.680 --> 1:34:21.160 gonna get him in the fourth quarter. I need you 1:34:21.200 --> 1:34:22.320 to give him the first three. 1:34:24.640 --> 1:34:28.360 Look. Look, I'm like, all right, all right bet so uh. 1:34:29.280 --> 1:34:31.840 Man, we got out there first off, touring and MJ 1:34:32.040 --> 1:34:34.360 talking stuff through each other on the tip, Like you 1:34:34.400 --> 1:34:35.000 know what I'm saying. 1:34:35.600 --> 1:34:36.080 So m J. 1:34:36.280 --> 1:34:38.479 Taylor, Paul, I gotta come all the way back to 1:34:38.520 --> 1:34:40.519 the NBA just to just to get a pickup game 1:34:40.560 --> 1:34:41.840 with you, just to get a run with you. 1:34:41.880 --> 1:34:44.479 So hey, all going back and forth the whole game. 1:34:44.960 --> 1:34:47.360 But I'm like, man, y'all got a chill, you know 1:34:47.400 --> 1:34:49.519 what I'm saying, Like I'm the one got to guard 1:34:49.560 --> 1:34:50.080 this man. 1:34:50.720 --> 1:34:53.320 But uh, it was. It was a fun moment. 1:34:53.400 --> 1:34:53.559 Man. 1:34:53.640 --> 1:34:56.599 I embraced the challenge and I had so much fun. 1:34:56.640 --> 1:34:58.880 But I got so many pictures and memories from that moment, 1:34:59.320 --> 1:35:01.680 and even if like it was crazy, it was on 1:35:01.720 --> 1:35:03.320 TNT like I'll never forget it. 1:35:03.360 --> 1:35:05.000 What did he do? That game? What did MJ do? 1:35:05.760 --> 1:35:09.040 He finished with like thirty thirty two? What you he 1:35:09.080 --> 1:35:14.479 ended up getting? I had sixteen to ten? Oh yeah, yeah, silent, silent, silent, 1:35:14.920 --> 1:35:17.400 solid playing which one in prime? 1:35:17.560 --> 1:35:18.240 That's solid? 1:35:18.840 --> 1:35:21.400 Yeah, I'm surprised you got I'm surprised you got enough 1:35:21.400 --> 1:35:28.839 looks to get sixteen with them too, Right, Rip Hamilton, 1:35:29.080 --> 1:35:30.160 Welcome to the show Man. 1:35:30.479 --> 1:35:31.080 Make your mark. 1:35:31.120 --> 1:35:33.920 You feel like you've arrived your second year, your third year, 1:35:34.360 --> 1:35:37.840 MJ comes back. Tell me about him coming back first 1:35:37.880 --> 1:35:39.639 and foremost, and then the second part of the questions 1:35:39.680 --> 1:35:42.400 is do you feel like that's stunned where you obviously 1:35:42.479 --> 1:35:44.280 your process and your growth at the time. 1:35:45.439 --> 1:35:49.000 Oh man, MJ. Man, that was awesome for my career. 1:35:49.200 --> 1:35:50.760 You know, I always used to hear a lot of 1:35:50.760 --> 1:35:53.479 people talk about, Okay, MJ coming back to a young, young, 1:35:54.479 --> 1:35:56.040 a young team, and that's going to stun a lot 1:35:56.040 --> 1:35:58.559 of their guards, you know, growth, because at the time, 1:35:58.600 --> 1:36:01.479 you know, it was me Leron prophet and was a 1:36:01.520 --> 1:36:03.880 guy Courtney Alexander who was man. 1:36:03.960 --> 1:36:05.840 He was a problem too. 1:36:05.920 --> 1:36:07.960 He was a guy that played on the wing with me. 1:36:08.320 --> 1:36:10.760 That you know, we both that during that second half 1:36:10.800 --> 1:36:13.559 of the year in Washington after my second year, we 1:36:13.600 --> 1:36:16.400 both averaged you know, close to thirty points a game. 1:36:16.920 --> 1:36:18.200 You know, it was balling. 1:36:18.520 --> 1:36:20.920 But when MJ came man, it was it was the 1:36:21.000 --> 1:36:24.080 goat man. That's that's that's gold status man as a 1:36:24.080 --> 1:36:27.160 two guard coming up and Mike, you know, being your 1:36:27.280 --> 1:36:29.400 idol growing up, and now you got an opportunity to 1:36:29.439 --> 1:36:32.200 lock it up with him and and and learn and 1:36:32.680 --> 1:36:35.679 get as much information off of him as possible. Because 1:36:35.680 --> 1:36:37.840 even my second year, he used to come down and 1:36:37.880 --> 1:36:40.920 practice with us all the time, right, but he didn't 1:36:41.040 --> 1:36:42.280 you know, every now and then he had come in 1:36:42.360 --> 1:36:43.880 and you know, work out with It's kind of similar 1:36:43.880 --> 1:36:45.280 what he did with y'all when you was on. 1:36:45.240 --> 1:36:46.080 The Bodcap Shack. 1:36:46.479 --> 1:36:48.160 You know, he come down and work out with us, 1:36:48.320 --> 1:36:50.080 and me and Proft used to play with him all 1:36:50.120 --> 1:36:52.439 the time, and we used to talk trash to MJ 1:36:52.560 --> 1:36:54.000 all the time. But it was only certain things that 1:36:54.040 --> 1:36:56.960 I would say and you know Prof would sometimes you know, 1:36:57.080 --> 1:36:58.680 say a little bit of extra stuff that. 1:36:58.680 --> 1:37:00.559 I would, I would and go there. 1:37:00.800 --> 1:37:03.439 And I remember one time we were playing in practice 1:37:03.520 --> 1:37:06.960 right and Prop you know, might have hit a shot 1:37:06.960 --> 1:37:07.400 on MJ. 1:37:07.520 --> 1:37:08.880 And he was like running. 1:37:08.640 --> 1:37:11.840 Down court, Yeah, you can't guard me with them old 1:37:11.920 --> 1:37:12.679 ass knees. 1:37:12.960 --> 1:37:16.960 And I'm like, oh, oh stop. 1:37:16.880 --> 1:37:18.559 Time out, time out. 1:37:18.720 --> 1:37:20.440 I was like, oh nah. 1:37:20.520 --> 1:37:21.080 You you don't. 1:37:21.160 --> 1:37:22.960 You don't. You don't say that to the go MJ 1:37:23.200 --> 1:37:23.679 was heated. 1:37:23.800 --> 1:37:25.920 I mean he was heated to the point that when 1:37:25.960 --> 1:37:28.720 I went to my exit meeting, uh, because you know 1:37:28.720 --> 1:37:30.160 he was he was the president at the time. 1:37:30.400 --> 1:37:31.639 I went into my exit meeting. 1:37:31.720 --> 1:37:34.240 He was like, okay, Rip, you know your man, your buddy, 1:37:34.280 --> 1:37:34.960 you know what I'm saying. 1:37:35.040 --> 1:37:35.760 Because he ended up. 1:37:35.680 --> 1:37:39.200 Training proft that that that he was like, oh your man, 1:37:39.280 --> 1:37:42.280 he was like, oh yeah, he ain't gonna he out. 1:37:42.080 --> 1:37:44.400 Of here, he said, But you won't be there by you. 1:37:44.680 --> 1:37:46.960 You gonna be there by yourself, you know what I'm saying. 1:37:46.960 --> 1:37:49.280 And you ain't gonna have your buddy to to co 1:37:49.520 --> 1:37:50.439 sign and. 1:37:50.320 --> 1:37:52.080 You know you're gonna be on the island by yourself. 1:37:52.080 --> 1:37:55.439 I like, look, I was like, I. 1:37:55.360 --> 1:37:58.320 Don't want no problems, bro, I don't want no problems 1:37:58.320 --> 1:38:02.519 at all. I'm your teammate, man, But. 1:38:01.560 --> 1:38:03.000 When I know the. 1:38:02.960 --> 1:38:07.559 Feeling, I know the feeling that it. 1:38:09.920 --> 1:38:13.799 Right, you gotta be careful, you gotta be careful. 1:38:13.840 --> 1:38:16.559 But when MJ came, man, I just thought it was 1:38:16.960 --> 1:38:20.280 a blessing and and uh for for me as a 1:38:20.320 --> 1:38:23.639 basketball player, you know, because I was able to learn 1:38:23.760 --> 1:38:26.400 so much off of him. Uh, you know, it took 1:38:26.479 --> 1:38:29.360 it took my game to a whole new other level, 1:38:29.680 --> 1:38:32.280 especially even playing with him, because you got to remember, 1:38:32.320 --> 1:38:34.960 when you're playing with Michael Jordan, all the focus is 1:38:35.000 --> 1:38:38.120 going to be on Michael Jordan. I mean, traveling with 1:38:38.360 --> 1:38:41.280 MJ is like traveling with the Beatles back in the day, right, 1:38:41.720 --> 1:38:44.280 So when when playing with him, the one thing that 1:38:44.360 --> 1:38:47.479 I learned with playing with Mike was remember, you know, 1:38:47.520 --> 1:38:49.320 back in the day, they used to call it floppy, right, 1:38:49.439 --> 1:38:51.280 you know, when two guys come down and the two 1:38:51.280 --> 1:38:53.680 beats come down and we run them off screens. So 1:38:53.760 --> 1:38:56.160 I was like, man, screw my bigs, I'm just gonna 1:38:56.200 --> 1:38:59.200 run off MJ. Why because every time I run off MJ, 1:38:59.680 --> 1:39:01.519 you know, I'm saying, my man gonna go to him, 1:39:01.520 --> 1:39:04.439 and his man ain't gonna right. So I would get 1:39:04.479 --> 1:39:06.920 wide open every time. And MJ would come to me 1:39:06.960 --> 1:39:08.320 after the game and be like, hey, Rip, I see 1:39:08.360 --> 1:39:09.200 what you're doing out there. 1:39:09.560 --> 1:39:10.840 I see I. 1:39:13.160 --> 1:39:14.080 See what you're doing out there. 1:39:14.120 --> 1:39:15.559 I'm like, yeah, what am I? What am I? 1:39:15.640 --> 1:39:16.720 What am I supposed to do? 1:39:16.800 --> 1:39:19.160 Man? Like shit you the goat? Like you know. 1:39:19.320 --> 1:39:23.160 So he was he was very He was very helpful 1:39:23.720 --> 1:39:27.799 for for my career when when I was in Washington. 1:39:27.800 --> 1:39:31.320 And another crazy story is that we just talked about 1:39:31.360 --> 1:39:32.080 Alan Houston. 1:39:32.160 --> 1:39:33.720 Right, So Alan Houston was. 1:39:33.720 --> 1:39:35.240 Killing me, like like I said, he killed me in 1:39:35.240 --> 1:39:39.320 my first two years, right, So when MJ came third year, now, 1:39:39.400 --> 1:39:40.559 I feel like I'm growing up. 1:39:40.479 --> 1:39:40.880 You know what I mean. 1:39:40.880 --> 1:39:42.760 I grew some hair on my chest, like I've been 1:39:42.800 --> 1:39:44.960 through the war and the battles a little bit, so, 1:39:45.240 --> 1:39:47.040 you know, and I got big bro, like I got 1:39:47.040 --> 1:39:49.240 the bully in the room, right, you know, I'm a 1:39:49.240 --> 1:39:52.200 little bit more confident. So we're playing against New York. 1:39:52.320 --> 1:39:55.960 We're playing against New York in Washington, and first half 1:39:56.040 --> 1:39:59.040 I go out and I give Alan Houston thirty in 1:39:59.080 --> 1:40:03.439 the first half, right, So like like I'm geeked. I'm like, Okay, 1:40:03.800 --> 1:40:06.320 all the times this motherfuckers been killing me and getting 1:40:06.360 --> 1:40:08.800 me in foul trouble. I'm in I'm in his ass 1:40:08.880 --> 1:40:12.000 right now, right, you know what I mean. So we 1:40:12.240 --> 1:40:15.160 were in that halftime, you know, we talking, coach talks 1:40:15.160 --> 1:40:15.799 does a speech. 1:40:16.920 --> 1:40:17.840 MJ come up to me. 1:40:18.240 --> 1:40:22.240 He was like, hey, man, hey, young fella, you know you. 1:40:22.200 --> 1:40:23.040 Had a great half. 1:40:23.600 --> 1:40:27.360 You know, but Big Bro won't take over the second half, 1:40:27.360 --> 1:40:29.120 so don't worry about it. 1:40:29.720 --> 1:40:32.280 I got you. Bro won't take over second half. 1:40:32.360 --> 1:40:36.479 Right at the end of the game, man, And that 1:40:36.600 --> 1:40:41.880 second half, I only had two shots in the second half, 1:40:42.840 --> 1:40:43.719 I had thirty. 1:40:43.840 --> 1:40:46.200 I think I might have ended with like thirty two. 1:40:46.680 --> 1:40:47.439 You know what I'm saying. 1:40:47.880 --> 1:40:50.080 I was like I was at the end of the game. 1:40:50.120 --> 1:40:52.920 I was like, damn, this was my perfect opportunity to 1:40:53.080 --> 1:40:55.639 kill this dude. This dude killed me my first two years. 1:40:55.680 --> 1:40:57.280 Like you know what I'm saying. Now, I got you 1:40:57.320 --> 1:40:58.639 on my side. He was like, hey, man, don't worry 1:40:58.680 --> 1:41:00.720 about it. Man, you'll get another opportunity at that. But 1:41:00.800 --> 1:41:02.960 as a young kid, you don't think that you're gonna 1:41:03.000 --> 1:41:05.840 get another opportunity. That was your time talking moment. 1:41:06.120 --> 1:41:08.280 But but big Bros, Like he tapped me on the 1:41:08.320 --> 1:41:09.240 shoulder and say, hey. 1:41:09.080 --> 1:41:10.240 Man, you did enough. 1:41:10.240 --> 1:41:11.599 I was like, in my mind, I was like. 1:41:11.560 --> 1:41:14.080 Hell nah, but he was like, you know that second 1:41:14.120 --> 1:41:16.320 half he took over. He might have scored twenty five 1:41:16.400 --> 1:41:17.800 or twenty six and the second half and we end 1:41:17.880 --> 1:41:21.080 up winning the game. But that that story always sticks 1:41:21.120 --> 1:41:22.720 to me because that was my opportunity to go out 1:41:22.760 --> 1:41:23.360 and get fifty. 1:41:24.000 --> 1:41:26.599 That's funny as hell, especially on someone that been lighting 1:41:26.600 --> 1:41:27.200 your ass. 1:41:27.040 --> 1:41:28.120 Up, Light my ass up. 1:41:28.240 --> 1:41:32.240 Yes, welcome this show Man T two thousand and one. 1:41:32.280 --> 1:41:34.040 You signed with the Wizards. What was it like playing 1:41:34.040 --> 1:41:36.599 with a part of Yo MJ. I didn't care. 1:41:36.640 --> 1:41:40.920 He was ninety yeah, like come on, man, like get 1:41:40.920 --> 1:41:43.200 a chance to play with m Man. It was like 1:41:43.880 --> 1:41:45.479 it was a blessing, you know, like I said, my 1:41:45.520 --> 1:41:48.559 career has been blessed. Like I said it just when 1:41:48.560 --> 1:41:51.120 I first song, well when he first called, initially because 1:41:51.120 --> 1:41:53.000 he was part of the front office and I heard 1:41:53.040 --> 1:41:55.120 his voice, I'm like, man, what are you serious? 1:41:55.160 --> 1:41:56.080 Like MJ calling me? 1:41:56.680 --> 1:41:59.080 Like called and once you come in with the Wizards whatever, 1:41:59.439 --> 1:42:01.439 he said, I'm thinking about coming back. You know, we 1:42:01.640 --> 1:42:03.519 didn't discuss it, you know, didn't he didn't go public 1:42:03.560 --> 1:42:05.559 for a while. But then just when I first met 1:42:05.600 --> 1:42:08.240 him just in Awe. Man like just having a chance 1:42:08.280 --> 1:42:11.479 to you know, see Black Jesus in person, like talk 1:42:11.520 --> 1:42:13.519 to him, be his teammate, like I was in Awe 1:42:13.560 --> 1:42:15.160 and my first you're playing with him, and I just 1:42:15.160 --> 1:42:17.120 didn't I didn't know what to do, like you know 1:42:17.120 --> 1:42:18.720 what I'm saying, Like you know, throwing to him every 1:42:18.760 --> 1:42:20.880 time and just go staying or he's like no play 1:42:20.960 --> 1:42:23.680 like but you just get so messed by who he is. 1:42:24.240 --> 1:42:26.800 About forty he it was forty heah was twenty points 1:42:26.840 --> 1:42:28.840 a game at the age of forty on one leg 1:42:29.360 --> 1:42:31.920 because his knee was messed up. And he played eighty 1:42:31.960 --> 1:42:34.800 two games at the age of forty on one leg 1:42:35.600 --> 1:42:38.439 and play all eighty two games. So I mean, I 1:42:38.520 --> 1:42:39.320 just tell you who he is. 1:42:40.320 --> 1:42:42.959 Crazy eighty two games. That's crazy. 1:42:44.439 --> 1:42:47.840 Welcome to the show, Zach Lavine. You're playing a legendary 1:42:47.880 --> 1:42:51.559 position for a historical franchise. You're playing the two guard 1:42:51.600 --> 1:42:54.160 for the Chicago Bulls. Have you got a chance to 1:42:54.200 --> 1:42:57.320 ever meet Mike or talk to Mike about what you 1:42:57.400 --> 1:43:00.840 got going on right now? And you playing position? He 1:43:00.840 --> 1:43:02.479 he he made very famous over there. 1:43:02.560 --> 1:43:04.400 Yeah, I met I met him. I haven't talked to him, 1:43:04.439 --> 1:43:05.040 you know, in alone. 1:43:05.040 --> 1:43:07.280 I met him, actually my rookie year, I did a 1:43:07.320 --> 1:43:11.280 workout for Charlotte, and uh, he walked in like early 1:43:11.320 --> 1:43:14.240 into the workout, and you know, all of us are hyped, 1:43:14.320 --> 1:43:16.040 you know, especially because he's in there, so now you're 1:43:16.040 --> 1:43:18.400 trying to show out and went over and shook his hand. 1:43:18.439 --> 1:43:20.640 His hand was so goddamn big he grabbed my four arm. 1:43:23.280 --> 1:43:25.800 So you know, that's when I met him. But you know, 1:43:25.880 --> 1:43:28.800 it's it's it's crazy, man, especially the stats that you 1:43:28.880 --> 1:43:31.280 see and you hear, And there was one that was 1:43:31.320 --> 1:43:34.280 crazy that came out this this month because I think 1:43:34.320 --> 1:43:36.679 I'm averaging thirty this month and I'm. 1:43:36.520 --> 1:43:39.000 Tied for the thirty first best month. 1:43:39.479 --> 1:43:44.960 Crazy, right, you know, saying it is mind body, how 1:43:45.000 --> 1:43:48.559 good this motherfucker was, Like the stats he has, it's 1:43:48.640 --> 1:43:52.360 just like wow, that's you know, I couldn't I couldn't imagine. 1:43:52.360 --> 1:43:54.880 You know, we always wish we could have played against him. Crazy, 1:43:55.040 --> 1:43:58.880 just like this. That was a bad motherfucker man. Welcome 1:43:58.920 --> 1:43:59.599 him to the family. 1:44:00.080 --> 1:44:02.559 To Jarosh Smith, you recently got a chance to play 1:44:02.640 --> 1:44:05.439 thirty six with MJ. First of all, how did that happen? 1:44:05.960 --> 1:44:07.040 And then how did they. 1:44:06.880 --> 1:44:12.080 Go man So one of my one of my guys 1:44:12.200 --> 1:44:15.839 is you know black man named So. He from Jersey. 1:44:16.320 --> 1:44:19.920 He's an amazing painter. Actually he got a lot of 1:44:19.960 --> 1:44:24.960 gold pieces. But he he ended up hooking me up 1:44:25.000 --> 1:44:28.520 with a guy named David Storch out of He's from Chicago. 1:44:28.680 --> 1:44:33.080 Just moved down here to North Palm Beach and him 1:44:33.240 --> 1:44:36.640 MJ's road tight. It went back, you know, back in 1:44:36.680 --> 1:44:42.200 the Chicago days, right close, and I ended up playing 1:44:42.400 --> 1:44:44.960 We played thirty six with Mike and it was like, 1:44:46.280 --> 1:44:49.559 I don't know, it was. It was everything that you 1:44:49.600 --> 1:44:50.559 thought it was gonna be. 1:44:50.720 --> 1:44:51.080 But like. 1:44:53.360 --> 1:44:56.719 To him actually be around Mike and he talking shit 1:44:57.040 --> 1:45:00.439 like that shit was like Dann like he he be 1:45:00.600 --> 1:45:02.760 going there when I tell you he talking ship, He 1:45:03.040 --> 1:45:03.960 talking ship bro. 1:45:04.720 --> 1:45:06.000 And he nice though. 1:45:08.120 --> 1:45:09.080 He is he nice? 1:45:09.280 --> 1:45:09.519 Nice? 1:45:09.600 --> 1:45:09.840 Nice? 1:45:10.120 --> 1:45:13.479 I want to know he nice. His short game is 1:45:13.600 --> 1:45:16.760 like one of the pros. He I'm watching this, I'm 1:45:16.760 --> 1:45:17.760 watching ship he's doing. 1:45:17.800 --> 1:45:19.560 I'm like, hey, yo. 1:45:22.439 --> 1:45:26.120 Like making like making ship like I'm oh my god, 1:45:26.520 --> 1:45:30.400 and I'm lucky lucky for me. We we kept up beat, 1:45:30.680 --> 1:45:33.599 like you know what I'm saying. So, but the people 1:45:33.680 --> 1:45:37.439 he betten with in the group, they like these these 1:45:37.880 --> 1:45:44.200 like some some mean buy pots. I'm yo if I 1:45:44.720 --> 1:45:53.800 not for no golf, bro, Nah, I sain't that, but 1:45:54.000 --> 1:45:56.679 sure though, but it was dope man, because like again, 1:45:56.760 --> 1:46:00.000 I like, I don't know, I just seen a global 1:46:00.240 --> 1:46:03.040 Mike man like he you see him when he and 1:46:03.080 --> 1:46:06.880 his element with being competitive and everything and he you know, 1:46:06.960 --> 1:46:10.479 it's just like and I thought about when I first 1:46:10.520 --> 1:46:13.080 seen him. I thought about the I thought about something 1:46:13.160 --> 1:46:15.200 Ai said, like, you know, he really got. 1:46:15.080 --> 1:46:17.759 On Jordan's like what else he's going ahead? 1:46:17.920 --> 1:46:23.880 Like said like this was wild. Bro, let's welcome to 1:46:23.920 --> 1:46:24.280 the show. 1:46:24.680 --> 1:46:29.080 Magic Johnson, what's your take on the back and forth 1:46:29.120 --> 1:46:30.320 with Isaia and Mike right now? 1:46:30.880 --> 1:46:33.479 I don't like it right I think they should be 1:46:33.640 --> 1:46:34.320 done with that. 1:46:35.120 --> 1:46:36.040 Listen, we played. 1:46:36.040 --> 1:46:38.479 When we played, we all had to dislike each other 1:46:38.520 --> 1:46:41.120 to win a championship. We all had to do what 1:46:41.160 --> 1:46:45.439 we had to do. But now, uh, what Michael is doing, 1:46:45.960 --> 1:46:49.240 Uh is incredible to be an owner in the NBA. 1:46:49.520 --> 1:46:52.840 To his shoe is still number one. 1:46:53.520 --> 1:46:54.639 I mean you can. 1:46:54.439 --> 1:46:58.519 Put all those guys shoes sales together. They can't even 1:46:58.640 --> 1:47:01.759 mess with Michael Jordan's ship and so and then Isaiah 1:47:02.000 --> 1:47:06.639 is a businessman himself. Exactly all the things that he's doing. 1:47:06.920 --> 1:47:08.200 So why why. 1:47:08.040 --> 1:47:10.479 Are we still living in the past. 1:47:10.600 --> 1:47:12.639 Yes, I think only magic can fix that ship. 1:47:13.280 --> 1:47:18.880 We're definitely gonna try, man, because they should be look. 1:47:18.800 --> 1:47:20.880 Up to both of them. We look up to both 1:47:20.920 --> 1:47:21.120 of them. 1:47:21.160 --> 1:47:25.160 Yeah, and they're my boys, right right, So I guess 1:47:25.200 --> 1:47:26.799 I'm gonna have to be the one to bring. 1:47:26.640 --> 1:47:30.639 Them together culture, because you want, we want to see 1:47:31.400 --> 1:47:33.840 Zeke and Mike somewhere having to drink together, man. 1:47:33.680 --> 1:47:42.559 For the culture. There you there, you go there, yeah, h. 1:47:46.760 --> 1:47:58.080 Mm hmmm mm hmmm. 1:48:00.160 --> 1:48:00.200 K