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Speaker 1: Mike is the greatest man.

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Speaker 2: Mike is the best player I was against.

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Speaker 3: You ain't ever faced him. You don't understand.

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Speaker 1: He is truly one of the best. Michael Jorgan, I

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Speaker 1: tell you I was.

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Speaker 4: I was better than Mike.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for about three weeks.

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Speaker 5: He was the first dude that I met, back a

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Speaker 5: back up his trash.

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Speaker 1: That dude to give you fifty real fast.

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Speaker 6: And that's did anything coming from Mike.

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Speaker 1: Mike is the best basketball player ever.

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Speaker 7: Shout out Universal Production Music, the official music provider for

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Speaker 7: all the Smoke productions.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy, Oh, we appreciate you. Man.

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Speaker 7: Have you ever sat down and had like a real

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Speaker 7: off the camera conbo with mj Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what is that like looking in the mirror. No,

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Speaker 4: it's fun. I mean it's fun. No, we're really different.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy, Like he'll he'll compete to you anything, to

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Speaker 4: you y'all different, I guess. I mean, like he'll compete

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Speaker 4: with any and everything.

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Speaker 8: I won't.

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Speaker 4: I only can people things that I really am good at. Like,

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Speaker 4: I'm not just gonna compete on something you don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna do that.

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Speaker 4: Everything you know, he'll uh, you know, he'll talk basketball

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Speaker 4: all day long and not stopping prepared. Well, what would

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Speaker 4: have happened if you know my ninety one against your

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Speaker 4: O three and you know, like what this is that?

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Speaker 1: What would happened in your opinion? Come on, you.

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Speaker 4: Can't ask him that, man.

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Speaker 1: I want to know.

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Speaker 7: Would have been complete dominant, would be seven game series.

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Speaker 4: With what he started the conversation with was well, I

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Speaker 4: would have destroyed you. You know, listen, I just I

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Speaker 4: just said, listen, just remember who you're talking to. You

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Speaker 4: just started laughing. He's like, I'm just messing with you.

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Speaker 4: I'm just messing with you, and then we just kind

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Speaker 4: of moved on. But it would been It would have

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Speaker 1: That's dope, man. Just to even know that you'll had

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Speaker 1: that conversation is done.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah yeah?

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Speaker 7: How bad?

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Speaker 1: I remember playing with you.

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Speaker 7: Your whole thing is that you said I want to

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Speaker 7: sit at the yeah, meaning you wanted that six ring.

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Speaker 7: What did it mean not to be able to get that?

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Speaker 4: Oh? It pissed me off, you know, but things are

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Speaker 4: what they are. You know, you gotta you you push

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Speaker 4: for a goal, and my original goal was to try

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Speaker 4: to win Eat eight. And you push for it, and

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Speaker 4: you push for it and you push for and you

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Speaker 4: do the best you can. But at the end of

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Speaker 4: the day, you can be comfortable with the results and

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Speaker 4: where they landed and where they ended up, and so

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Speaker 4: you know, that's the most important thing. That's why I

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Speaker 4: can be really, really comfortable with the career that I've

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Speaker 7: Three time NBA Champ, NCAA Champ, James Worthy.

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Speaker 9: Everybody talk about MJ's championship shot nineteen eighty three against

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Speaker 9: Georgetown the championship, but you had twenty eight thirteenth to

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Speaker 9: seventeen from the field. Nobody don't talk about that. It

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Speaker 9: was on your shoulders. But what's your take on that? Well,

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Speaker 9: you did, Joe John.

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Speaker 4: You know, if you watch the uh, the Michael Jordan documentary,

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Speaker 4: I had a statement, you know, with Michael came to Caroline.

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Speaker 4: I tell everybody I was I was better than Michael. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know for about three weeks. For about three weeks, man,

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Speaker 4: I knew he had it. When you're an athlete and

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Speaker 4: you guys are both tough. I watched you. I watched

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Speaker 4: your whole career. You know, when you're when you're tough

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Speaker 4: you know, MVP. There were some games against Virginia in

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Speaker 4: He'd been punching on Mike. I beat, I beat. I

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Speaker 4: would always beat. Mike doesn't Yeah, you know Zeke Zeke

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Speaker 4: He had a good career. It was awesome. Uh but yeah, man, uh,

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Speaker 4: I didn't you know, I didn't know if he had

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Speaker 4: Sam went down low, I flashed in and three guys

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Speaker 7: Kenny said he had no handle when he came to when.

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Speaker 4: After I left, Kenny still mad at me because I

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Speaker 4: he he didn't have a lot of fundamentals when he came.

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Speaker 7: We got our brother Kenny Smith here today, your freshman

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Speaker 7: No, that wasn't a question who was the best playoff.

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Speaker 4: I want the best player.

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Speaker 5: Sam Perkins was the best player my freshman year, like

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Speaker 10: All American that you know that wouldn't happen today.

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Speaker 5: Any Like, first team first team for Sam was the

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Speaker 8: So like even even.

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Speaker 5: At times I'd be like, you bet we play pick up,

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Speaker 7: And then and then.

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Speaker 5: He's the only guy that I know that his weaknesses

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Speaker 5: So now we're doing that, were playing. He goes to

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Speaker 5: We would beat like in that gym without question. And

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Speaker 4: So they picked I don't get. This's how we do it.

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Speaker 5: So the pros go on one hand and they players

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Speaker 5: but you could you could pick the pros across over.

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Speaker 5: You could cross over. So Michael and or Sam whoever,

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Speaker 5: He's like Walter Davis. You're not scoring today. You're not

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Speaker 10: You're just a different person.

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Speaker 5: So so all of when he comes in town, this

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Speaker 10: So it's him and all he say is schools in session, schoo.

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Speaker 10: You see, you see it every moment.

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Speaker 5: You know, you see every moment you know a beautiful

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Speaker 5: not an accident. Like it's not like, oh he was gifted. No,

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Speaker 5: he was the most fundamentally sound player that ever played

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Speaker 10: His footwork is unapeckable.

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Speaker 5: The offensively you know, his jab step is he's the

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Speaker 5: You know, his greatest even you know, and this is

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Speaker 5: just the fundamentals of job step and that's, you know,

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Speaker 5: Mike gets a lot of credit for, like his quotes,

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Speaker 5: but it's just Dean Smith's quotes. It's stolen. It's just

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Speaker 5: he just adds, explicits everything everything that Coach Smith said

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Speaker 1: Let's welcome to the show.

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Speaker 7: Lawrence Taylor, what do you remember about the pickup games

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Speaker 7: of North Carolina on the basketball court?

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Speaker 14: I mean you were in school with somebody. Let me

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Speaker 14: tell you something. Hey, look we get back in the day.

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Speaker 14: We used to dad going to go out there and

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Speaker 1: And and I remember.

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Speaker 14: For the the intermediate Uh yeah, yeah, we won the

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Speaker 14: But you know we ain't really cheat. One of our

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Speaker 14: technicality against that. But I used to go out there

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Speaker 1: Out there and play.

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Speaker 10: And what was.

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Speaker 4: Your game like?

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Speaker 14: Well, see the problem is I couldn't hit nothing from

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Speaker 14: And they used to say they just say, let's say,

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Speaker 14: I'm alf in the decent in defense, I already got

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Speaker 14: mad because they only give you six files.

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Speaker 4: Garden getting more.

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Speaker 7: Than six fis I need more than six.

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Speaker 15: Imagine somebody imagine you having more than six pounds dead.

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Speaker 1: Lt is on me.

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Speaker 7: I'm passing that bitch. Cut it out, someone else do something.

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Speaker 14: I love the years that Carolina. I think it's one

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Speaker 1: Just that the whole preparing you for life.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, because I've been to a lot of ship

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Speaker 14: and the lot of ship that Carolina, you know, been

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Speaker 1: Come on, going in too much.

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Speaker 14: Senior year and we're out and some of my boys

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Speaker 14: So I got sent there, me and a couple of

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Speaker 14: I wasn't allowed to stay on Stamp campus. And you

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Speaker 10: Play my senior year.

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Speaker 14: So decided, you know, he can play, He's just not

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Speaker 14: On in a building on North campus, fourth story building,

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Speaker 14: and it was four of us guys.

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Speaker 4: For the We all had a floor.

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Speaker 14: I could stay on the first floor that somebody else

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Speaker 7: I was gonna say, so you got in trouble and

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Speaker 7: it got better.

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Speaker 1: Oh God, the greatest.

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Speaker 14: Take a girl hey, and it was a girl's dormitory

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Speaker 1: It was one time the trouble was that wouldn't worked

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Speaker 7: All trouble turns into gold. I'll tell you speak to

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Speaker 1: But how does that start?

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Speaker 7: And how is it in one of those golf matches,

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Speaker 14: Well, Mike, when I actually my senior year, not my

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Speaker 14: Smith allowed me to practice with him, right, he allowed

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Speaker 8: Hey call him foul, foul, foule file.

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Speaker 14: I just hit you a little bit, Come on, man.

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Speaker 14: So every time Mike had the ball, I wanted guard.

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Speaker 14: I wanted to guard Mike.

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Speaker 9: Because he was then it was the paint fre you

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Speaker 14: I'm not saying that I'm a fair player.

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Speaker 7: I'm just saying I'm a player.

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Speaker 14: I'm not saying but hey, we used to have a

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Speaker 1: Though, I would you dun't?

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Speaker 14: You can't ask that question, could I dunk?

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Speaker 4: How you want it?

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Speaker 1: Really?

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Speaker 8: How you want it?

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Speaker 10: Okay, how you want it?

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Speaker 1: I know I heard it. I heard you want it back.

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Speaker 1: What's all that said?

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Speaker 14: I could do anything I wanted to your way.

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Speaker 9: I was an athlete, man, Yeah yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 1: So I had to ask, I couldn't do it?

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Speaker 7: How did how did golf come into your game? And

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Speaker 7: obviously you guys have heard legendary stories about just the

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Speaker 14: Mike, it's competitive in anything he do. Okay, listen, he

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't.

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Speaker 14: I don't care if it's if it's if it's shooting marbles.

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Speaker 14: He does nothing half ass. You know, he won't sit

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Speaker 1: Much is.

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Speaker 7: Welcome to the show regimember. So obviously your ship talking

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Speaker 1: What kind of homewor did you do for both them? Dudes?

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Speaker 9: I just think they got in the fights because they

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Speaker 3: Like, man, slow down, man, you got that.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 16: I've been waiting, Okay, yeah, I've been waiting because people

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Speaker 1: Welcome to death Rope. I mean, we're honored. We will

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Speaker 1: shall a little trip down memory.

445
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Speaker 6: But you gotta go back, gotta go back to when

446
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 6: they have the ball.

447
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: So go back, go back, old on. He got to

448
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: pull the whole clip up, the whole clip up. Here

449
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: we go.

450
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 16: Yeah, so this is it. Watch this one two. I'm like, okay.

451
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 16: I tried to get him there and he got out

452
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 16: the way. So I was like, all right, tipping, I'm

453
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 16: going straight to him.

454
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: Let him know.

455
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 7: Okay.

456
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 16: I had to hurry up and turn around because I

457
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 16: don't want him to come in like choke hold being

458
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 16: he tried to rake you. So I'm like, okay, we

459
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 16: both get into we get into this. He scrapes my

460
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 16: eye like I can't.

461
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 11: See, like he was trying to scratch it.

462
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: I saw him, right, So all this goes down. This

463
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: is in ms A, by the way, this is it.

464
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: We're at home.

465
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 16: We are at home and Marcus Square Arena playing Michael Jordan's.

466
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 1: So this ship goes down.

467
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 16: Ronnie Nune, Yeah, that.

468
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: Little comes in breaks it all up. They huddle up.

469
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, okay, so back in the day, a lot

470
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: of it.

471
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 16: Look at this, scratch, scratch the crap out of me

472
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 16: fifteen face, look at this.

473
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: But look I'm holding them and controlling it.

474
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 16: I'm like, okay, but you ain't going anywhere.

475
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, those pull ups break stadium.

476
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 16: So I'm thinking, okay, maybe we'll get double technicols.

477
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 1: Maybe if I get.

478
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 6: Thrown out, he's gonna get thrown out.

479
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: We both are throwing Jess curseyes man. Okay, Jess had

480
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 1: a fresh do for the game, was clean. So just

481
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: you got kicked out the game. I didn't know that.

482
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: That's wowches No. Three.

483
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 2: They ain't never throwing Mike, who's free throws right now?

484
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: You found him rich.

485
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 7: They thought Mike got no motherfucking game.

486
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 16: In our in our building, maybe Chicago, in our building.

487
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 7: He's shooting the technicals too.

488
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: God damn forty five on us.

489
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 16: Not that he wouldn't have scored forty five with me

490
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 16: in the game, but ship give me a chance in

491
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 16: our building.

492
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 9: MJ threw three punch in the league and then get

493
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 9: kicked out the game.

494
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 16: The next day, I got a one game suspension.

495
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: You got kicked out any game suspension and he got

496
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: three games? So why did he get three games? Then

497
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: right and kicked out in the game. Wow, So they

498
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: let him play the game.

499
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 7: The suspended three game and then suspended us. And that's

500
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 7: what they did me. At the San Francisco prom Come on.

501
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: Man, mix in town.

502
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 7: Max said, when Mike kame to Houston, all his women

503
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 7: started working.

504
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: Here's the here's the thing, man, you woill see these

505
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: you woill see you know, you go out to a

506
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: club or whatever, bar, whatever, and you see these same chicks.

507
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 16: Real regular you come to a bulls game. Why are

508
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 16: you dressed like it's Sunday church?

509
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 5: Man?

510
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 7: I told you about this.

511
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: Mike come to your city is coming out right, and

512
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: they think they're gonna getting married. Hit one of them things.

513
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: It's gonna get hit by Mike.

514
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: Of my whole career. One thing I wish a regret.

515
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 16: And you know people will say I wish we would

516
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 16: have had I would have had more than one series

517
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 16: versus dude.

518
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I would have won.

519
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 6: You would have won, probably not.

520
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: But you're judged like wins. I won a few battles.

521
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 16: He always won the wars He's got six of them

522
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 16: and we took them seven games.

523
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: I just wish we.

524
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Speaker 16: Would have had I wish I could have gone against

525
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 16: him more. Yeah, and I don't want people jumping on

526
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 16: the internet. I'm not saying we would have beat them.

527
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 16: I would if I would have been the same thing.

528
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 11: But man, I want to see I got confident.

529
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 16: I want to see how I am versus that dude

530
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 16: thing too, you know, I want to see how I

531
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 16: am versus that dude.

532
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 7: He obviously had a lot of respect and spoke highly

533
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 7: of you, But what was different when you played a

534
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 7: game against him and the bulls.

535
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: I can only speak for myself. I can't speak for Max.

536
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 16: There was no weaknesses. Try to force them left, you

537
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 16: try to force them right, You try to top lock them,

538
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 16: you try to hold, you try to be physical with him.

539
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 16: I I equated to like this. It was like and

540
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 16: maybe this is how sinners feel when they were going

541
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 16: against Shack.

542
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: He was Shack of shooting guards. I don't care.

543
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 16: There was no way you can get around them, in

544
00:27:59,359 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 16: front of them.

545
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: He was just too strong.

546
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 16: And then he had a forty eight inch vertical, so

547
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 16: there you were never blocking his shot and he could

548
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 16: stop on a die his handles, and then he held

549
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 16: the ball like it was like an orange.

550
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 6: So he's tawning you holding the ball on your face.

551
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 16: The tongue is all out and shit and showing the

552
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 16: fucking gum and all that shit.

553
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 6: And then come down.

554
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 16: The black eyes are looking at you, and I'm looking

555
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 16: right back at it, and I'm the fuck I ain't

556
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 16: going anywhere, and he's looking at you, and man, no weaknesses, none, zero.

557
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: I could look. I loveday. I'm watching.

558
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 16: I'm always trying to find a tail, and I found

559
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 16: a tail on everyone.

560
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 6: I could not find a tail.

561
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 16: Not one damn Like, Okay, if he goes left x

562
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 16: amount of times, what is his percentages?

563
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: Great? Right?

564
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 16: Great, step back great, great, great, rebounding great, passing great.

565
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: You can't punk him. I'm trying to find something.

566
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 16: So it's almost like ship by committee there, key, I mean.

567
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: We got to get some help down this motherfucker. Come on,

568
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: come on now, I've been calling to crowd to bed.

569
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 9: That's the toughest shouting basketball, which is the fight away.

570
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 9: He shot that ship, I mean high clip at the toughest.

571
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: Cannot block it. You can't get it.

572
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 16: But see fade away and it's at forty eight inches.

573
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: When it got to learn how to put his back

574
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: to the basket and get in that post.

575
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 7: That's what he got.

576
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: Then got he would do the one.

577
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 17: Yeah, he get that.

578
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: He get that.

579
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 16: Him and maybe maxkinis hast to this picking rolls. Don't

580
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 16: let your big be one step to he split and

581
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 16: then now it's up to dyl and Antonio alone.

582
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 4: Here's your problem.

583
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: Now he splits. But then when you would extend him.

584
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 16: To half court, he would get this shoulder or this

585
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 16: shoulder which way he was coming off, and get under

586
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 16: the big and then it's downhill. So now if you're trailing,

587
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 16: as shooting guards are, you got to get under and

588
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 16: then he's put and on top of that he can shoot.

589
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: He can shoot. They talked about it.

590
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 9: I've seen a lot of videos about his leticism, but

591
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 9: I seen the video recently and when he got a

592
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 9: till ball and they passed on them, he went up

593
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 9: a vertical on Charles Barker.

594
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: That ship was so bad. I'm like, that's another thing

595
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: that people don't understand.

596
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 16: Not only could he he's known for, you know, the

597
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 16: two handed, but he could one leg to either leg too, Yeah,

598
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 16: either leg, like it was and be out till four

599
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 16: or five five o'clock in the morning, smoking, drinking whatever.

600
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 18: Yeah, car, yes, all this shit games at seven, seven thirty.

601
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 19: Sometime he'll go play golf the same day he played.

602
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 16: Man, it's almost like he was trying to make it fair.

603
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 7: Let me go get a buzz into some heat strokes.

604
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 7: You guys can have a chance to know.

605
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: Didn't have a tail, guys, and you know it. You

606
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: hear it all the time.

607
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 16: Who's the goat, who's the greatest and all that between

608
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 16: you know him and Lebron. And I try to stay

609
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 16: away from that because I went against Lebron.

610
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: His first year. He was a rookie my last year,

611
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: so I don't have no point of reference.

612
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 16: But I will say Lebron has the greatest career.

613
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: I say it all the time. He has the greatest career.

614
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: But Mike is the best basketball player ever. Welcome to

615
00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: the Show.

616
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 7: Only the eighth player to average twenty five points ten

617
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 7: consecutive seasons, nine time All Stars, seven time All NBA

618
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 7: retire when he retired, the seventh leading score at the

619
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 7: time twenty over twenty six thousand points. But again, that's

620
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 7: something we touched on the credit and the respect because

621
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 7: you were going head to head with MJ a lot

622
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 7: of times but got the better of him a lot

623
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 7: of times.

624
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a bad man. He was good. You

625
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: know what.

626
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 8: I found this.

627
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 3: Out early, I would say about a couple of years ago,

628
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 3: and didn't realize that he and I was only two

629
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: fold in the NBA history that average thirty against one

630
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: another our whole career, for a whole career.

631
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: Really, you had to man.

632
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 3: I had to get thirty against him on there too.

633
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: He was a man.

634
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 7: And you shot nearly fifty percent while doing it by

635
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 7: average thirty.

636
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: And that's a lot of things.

637
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 3: People don't realize the efficiency that I score with that

638
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: I didn't take thirty shots in May twelve, you know,

639
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 3: and especially in that era with the physicality and you're

640
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 3: getting hit in touch and still they able to be

641
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: that efficient.

642
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it says a lot.

643
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, MJ was.

644
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 7: Do you have a battle that comes to mind when

645
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 7: you I mean, obviously you guys played a ton of times.

646
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 3: I've said this many times, you know, people heard me

647
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: say this. I think I scored fifty seven in Atlanta

648
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: and I didn't play the fourth court and we went

649
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 3: back to Chicago. A little while later and we're in

650
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: the locker room suiting time. MJ walks down the locker

651
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: room shuitting time. I'm saying, in your yeah, I'm just

652
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: coming out, Like what are you coming in there for?

653
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: Like he come in the training room or something weaker.

654
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: He walks by me, walks by Cavill to get the

655
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: Randy Whitman and taps him on the ass. They said,

656
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 3: lay him up, it's going to be a long night.

657
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: And turns to walk out, and I.

658
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: Ain't know what to say. I'm shocked.

659
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, you tell that somebody, Scottie Pippin, I'm

660
00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: gonna kick his ass.

661
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to say.

662
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: Man, you know, I'm like, I'm blown away.

663
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: Man.

664
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: He had sixty that night?

665
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: What you do?

666
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 3: We we won the game? Ye had sixty that night.

667
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 3: I had a hell of a game. But he had sixty, bro,

668
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 3: And when it wasn't like no, like it was a

669
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: hard sixty either. The way he was scoring, he was

670
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: like he was on a miss. I think he was

671
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: like pissed off that I had fifty seven, you know

672
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 3: a few days before, and he went crazy.

673
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 7: But I said it loud enough so you could hear

674
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 7: it too, Yeah.

675
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it's it really set up the games

676
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 3: we played against each other our career. You know, game

677
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 3: I'll have forty three here forty one, or he'll have

678
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: forty six and I have forty. I mean it was

679
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: go like that all the time, battles.

680
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: You know.

681
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 3: He was a hard man to beat. That team was

682
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: so good though, That team was that was That team

683
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 3: was made up of a bunch of great great role

684
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: play and I think Scottie Pippen I have a lot

685
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 3: of respect for. I think he's one of the greatest

686
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 3: role players they ever played this game. Yeah, he probably

687
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: the best, Yeah, they ever played this game. And so

688
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 3: he was a great compliment to Jordan.

689
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 9: It's so hard for a lot of players, especially in

690
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 9: Mike's era, to give him his props.

691
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: Why is it so easy for you to give him

692
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: his props?

693
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 3: And if you ain't ever faced them, you don't understand.

694
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: If you ain't ever faced Mike on, you can't make

695
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 3: that comment.

696
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

697
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 3: Man, I played against some of the most hard nosed,

698
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 3: talented players ever played this game. He was a phenomenon

699
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 3: and he had attitude with it. I mean he was

700
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,479
Speaker 3: when you played against Mike. His eyes are bloodshot red

701
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 3: every game, like he was possessed. And I just sitting

702
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 3: there and said, I got to go work tonight because

703
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: Jesus is coming, you know. And so he and I,

704
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 3: you know, we had so much respect. But I'm gonna

705
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 3: tell you when I knew how good he was. When

706
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 3: we was in college. I was a junior, he was

707
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 3: a freshman. Were playing Carolina and the first time James

708
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: Worthy and I had a chance to play against one

709
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: another since high school. In high school, we we came

710
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 3: out the same area but never played against others. So

711
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 3: that Carolina game we played, were going back and forth.

712
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: Or the first player of the game, I went up

713
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: and I caught you know, Worthy's finger roll and I

714
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 3: wanted to, you know, set the tone. I threw it

715
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: like six rod in the stands.

716
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 8: You know this goal, We're gonna go.

717
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 10: We gotta come.

718
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 3: And the game was back and forth the whole game.

719
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 3: Close Worthy with having the hell of a game. I

720
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: was having the hell of a game. In the last

721
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 3: two minutes of the game, a young kid named Michael

722
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 3: Jordan took over by himself.

723
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: A freshman.

724
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 3: He's a I said, I was like, who is this kid?

725
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 3: Right here, man, And so I knew I knew this

726
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 3: he was gonna be a great pro. I didn't know

727
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 3: he gonna be that good of a pro. And but

728
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 3: that's kind of set at the tone for me and

729
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 3: my thoughts of what I saw. And because, like I said,

730
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: if you hadn't played against Mike, you have no clue.

731
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 3: You have no clue how good he is.

732
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: Honor to have you on the show today. The one

733
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: and only Craig.

734
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 7: Hodges talk to me about the one time you guys

735
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 7: are finishing up the season against Miami, right and you're

736
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 7: going to see him in the first round of the

737
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 7: playoffs exactly.

738
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 20: We're playing in Miami and were rolling at this time.

739
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 20: The system is system is really playing for itself. And

740
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 20: that's the cool part about the system. Once you get

741
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 20: into it, you just come to games. Man, you didne

742
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 20: did it so much and it flows. So we're going

743
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 20: to shoot around and we're leaving shoot around and we're

744
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 20: on the bus and them JS like, man, drop me

745
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 20: off here and drop him off at the bar. He say,

746
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 20: you gonna have some beers, right, Huh sayn have beers?

747
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 20: The okay, gonna have some beers. So he tells us

748
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 20: to pick him up on the way back to the game.

749
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 8: We picked him up.

750
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 20: He still got his sweats on, you know, MJ. Come

751
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 20: the game shooting and boot it all right, still got

752
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 20: his sweats on. Pick us up, you get on the bus. Yeah, man,

753
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 20: feeling good, right, bubbly gets me to be on it.

754
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 20: Got thirty at half all right, going through warm ups.

755
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 8: Man, I'm seeing three rams.

756
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 6: I'm gonna show that to one in the middle.

757
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 20: Okay, that's hard, okay, and then told us if y'all

758
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 20: can't beat him, we don't need to win a championship.

759
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 20: Y'all can beat him without me. But came in there

760
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 20: and he got it done hurly. And when sat down, we're.

761
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 7: Standing talking to KG and the next thing, Jr.

762
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: Is there.

763
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 7: Hey, one of my favorite stories, you told one of

764
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 7: my idols is the story with this man that's coming

765
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 7: in right now.

766
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: With my show. Yes, sure, hey, Extezu nudge all my

767
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: idols burn guy.

768
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 8: Rider, big bro right here, boy, Hey, y'all.

769
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 7: Don't even know many.

770
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,479
Speaker 8: This is my god right here, this is my god your.

771
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,479
Speaker 7: Favorite stories And if you guys missed it, you're gonna

772
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 7: get it today. So you guys were playing bulls in Minnesota.

773
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: No, we was in Chicago, Chicago. It's my first time

774
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: back to the store. You got it.

775
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 21: We're back in Chicago. I told you, I got like

776
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 21: twenty games under my belt. I figured it out. I

777
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 21: got my little rhythm. Jayall's All Star for him and

778
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 21: Chrystal Laighton. But we back in Chicago, so I'm just

779
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 21: fresh out of high school. We get back and I

780
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 21: got like three hundred, probably about three hundred guys in

781
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 21: the joint, you know, just they in the house.

782
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying.

783
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 21: I got them right here too. They're like a little

784
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 21: bowl right here, so I can see everybody coaching everybody.

785
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 21: So I'm just in a different energy. My teammate got

786
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 21: crashed out and Ronnie, you remember Ronnie. Ronnie was in

787
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 21: a bad crash. So I didn't really get no sleep.

788
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 21: So I'm running on fumes anyway. Start the game, and yeah,

789
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 21: I'm having a decent game, and yeah I'm just feeling good.

790
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 21: I'm just being honest, like we're on some young wow

791
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 21: shit out here.

792
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: You feel me?

793
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 21: And then that whole thing man uh Jr. And it

794
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 21: kind of going at it. But Jay y'all winning that

795
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 21: you know, he's holding his own. So I'm just feeling good.

796
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 21: Come out to Tom out and I'm just like, hey, man,

797
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 21: keep going you know what I'm saying, saying you too, man,

798
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 21: So I go, Man, you're killing the small fucker man,

799
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 21: like you know what I'm saying. I'm gonna come down

800
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 21: and I'm just throwing some I'm just throwing some ship.

801
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

802
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,479
Speaker 7: He can't figure out what's going on.

803
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 8: I'm actually trying to help you, Like, dog, can you

804
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 8: get the phone on you? Okay?

805
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 18: I'm like, Lord, it was hidden ones I've never heard before,

806
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 18: music I've never heard before.

807
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: Said I said, let me just turn it off. I

808
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: don't know what's going you need a minute.

809
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 7: Him and him and m J are going at it.

810
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, they going at it.

811
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 21: But in the time I would come out, you know,

812
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 21: if I'm being honest, it was just it just in

813
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 21: the rhythm of the game. So it ain't really nothing

814
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 21: too crazy. But he got it going. So I'm just

815
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 21: doing something, keep going tight whatever, right because we know

816
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 21: it's the bulls. So this is when they was the bulls.

817
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 21: So as we going into it, I was like, man,

818
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 21: keep killing that motherfucker.

819
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 11: Man woo.

820
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 21: So I just get on by myself. He understand I'm young,

821
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 21: and wow he let me yeah yeah, yeah. So when

822
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 21: I go off, he like, so I hear him and

823
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 21: MJ talking like yeah, and then ain't nobody really saying

824
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 21: that the mic like this? You know, Mike's so heavily

825
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 21: respected that you know what I'm saying. So I'm just

826
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 21: on some young bo I'm like, yeah, so I doubled

827
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 21: back ball ain't out yet?

828
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah.

829
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 21: So when I came back with it, yeah, keep kicking

830
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 21: his ass and then try to get out of He

831
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 21: was like, what is this saying? And then he was like, noah,

832
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 21: he don't know how we you know what I'm saying.

833
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 21: So he was like, nigga, y'all better. And then I

834
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 21: started them get a little extra aggressive with the conversation.

835
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 21: Was like, oh shit, what So he was like, hold on,

836
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 21: don't look at me, and that's all I heard you say.

837
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 21: And when I said that, I saw studying body language

838
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 21: and yeah the rest is history.

839
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

840
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: Crazy. What did he say to get you in the

841
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: hot seat? Nah? Nah, no, no, no.

842
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 21: He was asking. He he asked me. He asked y'all

843
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 21: what I said. And then Jay y'all said he repeated,

844
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 21: he said, and then he kind of looked at me

845
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 21: and kind of put the hands on the hill, like

846
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 21: what did you say? I said, nigga, keep kicking his ass.

847
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 21: You busting this motherfucking ass and adapted. When we dapto

848
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 21: and I had to go, you know, I went back

849
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 21: over MG, had you repeat it? He said, what he's shaped?

850
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 21: Then he said he was.

851
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 18: Right there, that's the that's the PG version, right, I

852
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 18: mean the reguard version is yeah. I mean I used

853
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 18: to have good games against Mike. I was quiet though,

854
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 18: fact right, because you don't want to make Mike up.

855
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 18: So he asked me prior to playing against the Bulls,

856
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 18: like how you be doing against Mike. I'm like, I

857
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 18: get my twenty three, twenty four, twenty five, twenty six,

858
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 18: is you know what I mean?

859
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 11: I hold my own all my own.

860
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 18: So we're playing and going to the four. I got

861
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 18: about nineteen something like that. I'm having I'm having a

862
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 18: good right on pace.

863
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 11: I'm having a good game right right on Pays.

864
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 8: I'm watching it and.

865
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 11: He in Chicago. He's serving Scottie.

866
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 18: He's really all around in that game, one of his

867
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 18: breakout games.

868
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: I feel point Scotty, so I'm dashed. I got Scotty

869
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: in the stands.

870
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 11: Yeah, he was on some the Chicago Oakland ship.

871
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: He was hyped.

872
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 18: To the roof talking and it's quiet. He said, man,

873
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 18: you keep going that, Mike, and keep going at that

874
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 18: motherfucker and Mike right there.

875
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: And we've been hyped all game, you know.

876
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 10: Ship.

877
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: I went based like dunked on Mike.

878
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 18: And I think robbing right, you know, right, he came

879
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 18: through the middle, dumk dom Loop Loop Louke Longley, nasty

880
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 18: and this way. Yeah, we was we was we was

881
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 18: talking ship, slapping hands, you know, we weren't quiet.

882
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 8: We was having this right.

883
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 21: We're young, wow but young and wow but but okay.

884
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 18: Order had time amount the store. Yeah, absolutely, quickly walk

885
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 18: out the time out. Man, you keep killing this motherfucker.

886
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: Man. I hear him right, you know what I mean.

887
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: I hear you.

888
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 8: So I'm looking hear me back when he'll do.

889
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 18: That, and I'm like, you keep killing mother fuck he

890
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 18: can't funk with you, dog. I was like, I was like, right.

891
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: Right, right, right, you know what I mean.

892
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 8: Mike standing with a fly? Was it, by the way,

893
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 8: right right, young dude.

894
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 18: This is my third season, this is first season. So

895
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 18: I'm young too. I'm with the ship, you know what

896
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 18: I mean. And that's how I played. So we we

897
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 18: vibe right away, you know what I mean. So, but

898
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 18: I'm like, man, this Mike Man. I grew up on

899
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 18: Mike Man. I remember seventh grade having his shoes on

900
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 18: stuff like that. That dude to give you fifty real fast, right,

901
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 18: So I'm like, uh right, right then he doubled down,

902
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 18: triple down. I think, say it again, Man strong for

903
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 18: this motherfucker right, keep killing this motherfucker man right, and you.

904
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 11: Know kg B, you know he right here, you hear me,

905
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 11: you know what I mean.

906
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 21: So he ain't giving me nothing, no, he like yeah,

907
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 21: right right right, really get off, don't get piped. So

908
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 21: I get the and Mike right here, Mike right here

909
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 21: on the back of leg.

910
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: So Mike right here, like.

911
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 8: On the back lig he on the back lid like

912
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 8: oh yeah yeah, oh yeah.

913
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: In the back y like old grandfather shoot the bubble gum.

914
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: And right there.

915
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 18: You know what I mean. You got to be in trouble,

916
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 18: right type ship? Right, you get the switch right switched

917
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 18: leather belt on the switch? Which one you want up?

918
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 18: So we walked by Mike looking at me and looking

919
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 18: at KG and looking at me. So my spider and

920
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 18: sticks told me, you know, to go a little closer

921
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 18: to Mic and holler at him, right, I said.

922
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 7: Cool down a little bit.

923
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 8: But this way he got that understanding.

924
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 18: I said, Mike, Man, young boy, Man, he don't he

925
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 18: don't really know what time it is. You know what

926
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 18: I mean. He don't know the name of the game.

927
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 18: You know what I mean. And Mike said, Mike an't

928
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 18: really paying attention. He hear me, but he like killer Mode,

929
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 18: so's not registering. I said, I said, too late. I

930
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 18: didn't know, you know what I mean. I said, you know,

931
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 18: he don't know what you talking about. Man, Just you

932
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 18: know if they're talking being you know how it be.

933
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 11: Man, You know what I mean. He don't know what's up.

934
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 11: You know what time it is? He's like, okay, all right,

935
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 11: all right.

936
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 18: When the game started, all I know is they usually

937
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 18: run triangle, none of that.

938
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: I'm on him.

939
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 18: And it seemed like the shake Contino and as even

940
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 18: you shake you to work, it seemed like everybody disappeared.

941
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 11: I felt everything.

942
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:11,959
Speaker 18: By yourself, by myself, by yourself. Right, So he hadn't

943
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 18: done that the whole game, so he caught the ball.

944
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: When he did, I don't know where the way.

945
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 18: It was a little sign that they had and everybody

946
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 18: moved out the way right right. He did it four

947
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 18: or five times in a row. Bucket Yeah, found yeah,

948
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 18: and one and I jump. I jumped high. So he

949
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 18: is he had that fade away. He'd be leaning his

950
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 18: foot of like a his foot of touch you you

951
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 18: know what I mean. He'd be leaning right and I'm

952
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 18: on my I hit hands and one I said, damn right.

953
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 18: That was about his knife and ten points straight, you

954
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 18: know what I mean. So he wasn't done. Bam, found bam.

955
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 8: And even hell you by yourself.

956
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 18: Then he he was hitting about two tough shots. He

957
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 18: ran off about fifteen sixty seventeen word word business yeah,

958
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 18: yea yeah, that was about about four.

959
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was like fifteen straight.

960
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 18: I sols that we could do nothing. I come back

961
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 18: and we come back. Yeah, we come back. It's a timeout.

962
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 18: We out of breath.

963
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 21: We out of breath, not like like you can hear

964
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 21: you can hear us.

965
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 18: I'm like, man, this is motherfucking KG talking ship to

966
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 18: my fucking right right. Nobody talked to fucking Mike.

967
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: Man. I gotta guard this moke fucking mind.

968
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 11: You know what I mean.

969
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 21: Right, That's when he was crazy. No man, my fun jay,

970
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 21: my fun man. I said, oh good man, I told

971
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 21: you shut the funk up. Man, it's Mike nigga. I

972
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 21: gotta guard him. You ain't anybody ship like. And then

973
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 21: it hit me. I was like, damn, that was real.

974
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 21: I ain't went out there, are you right?

975
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 18: You know it was a little defeated Mike talking ship

976
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 18: like y'all done. Ya ain't even gonna fight back. I mean,

977
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 18: oh got it?

978
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 8: You got Oh yeah, yeah, y'all done like you got it?

979
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 9: Man's like, man, I was telling him, may keep blesting

980
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 9: that niggas.

981
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: He wasn't giving me nothing back.

982
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 11: Hey.

983
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 21: I wanted him to give me some okay, yeah yeah yeah,

984
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 21: I want some wild ship like.

985
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 8: Right right right, like right right, like right right.

986
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 18: Look, I got it kg right here, Mike. I can

987
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 18: see y'all right, we play hoop right right. I could

988
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 18: see peripheral peripherals right. So I'm like, right, I've been

989
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 18: Mike right there a scene. Right, I'm like, man, this

990
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 18: U tripping, you know what I mean, Like like.

991
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: You know how basketball is real? Right?

992
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 18: So Mike was one of them killers, how cold, how

993
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 18: I feel Kobe became right, you know what I mean.

994
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 18: I've seen you know, like so Kobe my first three

995
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 18: years he was playing behind Eddie.

996
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: He'd come in and you know, do what he do.

997
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm already warm. I'm grown ass.

998
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 18: Man twenty five six to twenty to twenty three, right,

999
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 18: you know so. But he had a hell of a crossover.

1000
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 18: He's fast, and he really had that killer instinct. Mike

1001
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 18: was a different animal altogether to me, right, and I'm

1002
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 18: not trying to put nobody against nobody close.

1003
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: Kobe is a close thing to come to Mike, period.

1004
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 18: I think right after Mike as far that wing play,

1005
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 18: you know what I mean, That's what I feel. But

1006
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 18: Mike had a different energy to him, and he had levels.

1007
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 18: He could turn up two three four levels any reason.

1008
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 18: Some people turn up a level or two. He turned

1009
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 18: up two three four, right, and it's real.

1010
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: You know.

1011
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 18: He didn't play with the ball, so he not gonna

1012
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 18: cross it between the legs, you know, like the do

1013
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 18: today rock drip about four or five times he's going,

1014
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 18: he looking right at you, and he handling his business quick, intimidating.

1015
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying.

1016
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 21: We couldn't even help him because it was like two dribble,

1017
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 21: pull up, one dribble, pull up fake Jeff.

1018
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 7: It was like, and that's the back when you have

1019
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 7: to play one on one d you know what I'm saying.

1020
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 8: It was basic.

1021
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 21: And then listen, if you're at the top of the

1022
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 21: key and you buy yourself and this just think about

1023
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 21: top of the top of the three point line to

1024
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 21: the free throw line.

1025
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 8: Bro, we can't help you.

1026
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 21: So so it was like it was like it was

1027
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 21: like it was that kind of bag of work where

1028
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 21: Jay Alwards.

1029
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: Just had to take it.

1030
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 8: But then we're going to nothing in and you know

1031
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 8: what I'm saying.

1032
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 21: You think they letting him be j They not calling

1033
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 21: no fouls, you know what I'm saying, And he just

1034
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 21: eating off that man. Bro shot the shot to them, yo,

1035
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 21: because it was real. It was real and that was

1036
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 21: an experience.

1037
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 4: Bro.

1038
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 7: I got the numbers from the game that night, so

1039
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 7: the bulls end up winning by three KG. You had

1040
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 7: sixteen points, fifteen rebounds. That was reaching for the young

1041
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 7: boy that nineteen You feel me Jr. You had twenty

1042
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 7: nine with seven.

1043
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 21: I told you, Bro, I told you, I told you, Bro, Bro,

1044
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 21: I'm bro bro listen. Oh, I felt like I was

1045
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 21: a fan. They got to sit on the beach. I

1046
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 21: got to watch one of my favorite players play every night.

1047
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 21: And then I'm watching them play Clyde Mitch Spree, I'm

1048
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 21: watching them play.

1049
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: You feel me?

1050
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 21: So I'm like, Man, we've been argument in the barber

1051
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 21: shop and man, j y'all run and shit might be shaking.

1052
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 8: Bitch, second chewing guard in the league. Shit, I said,

1053
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 8: every night. Shit he postioning people up. Blah blah blah. Man, mother, shit,

1054
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 8: I told you had twenty nine broad knew that.

1055
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 7: Wow the show man running Maxwell. Michael Jordan said about Maxwell,

1056
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 7: something's wrong with it, guy Kenny, he fights me every day.

1057
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 7: That brings his son wearing air. Jordan apperil what prompted

1058
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 7: him to say that? What's he talking about? Mike?

1059
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: He said, God, right now, but no, Mike, Mike is

1060
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: the greatest man. Mike is the best player I ever

1061
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: played against.

1062
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: Man, your hands.

1063
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: Down, Man, never saying nothing like this ship.

1064
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: Make it work?

1065
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: Though, Oh yeah, I'm gonna make it work.

1066
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, yeah.

1067
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 7: I said that's it.

1068
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 2: But that's all I could do, just like, you know,

1069
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,240
Speaker 2: cut down his percentage. You can't never stop, No motherfucker

1070
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 2: like that.

1071
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 7: You gotta make it tough.

1072
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: You know it is, man, you know you know you

1073
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: got to make a tougher motherfucker like that. So that's

1074
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: all I was trying to do. Make it tougher that motherfucker.

1075
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: And he was already bigger than me. Ship, I'm sixfold.

1076
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: I ain't never wore one hundred and ninety five pounds

1077
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: so in my life, and my biggest weight I was

1078
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: one ninety four so, and this motherfucker was to eighteen

1079
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 2: and six six and jumping everywhere ever I turn around

1080
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: looking at the bottom rep motherfucker shooting mother. The motherfucker

1081
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: done spent off me and just tuk off. I ain't

1082
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 2: never see a motherfucker just spend and jump at the

1083
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: same time.

1084
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 7: I man, just just gone, just gone. I was like, good,

1085
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 7: Ship is crazy.

1086
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: Man, do you do you do you have a moment?

1087
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 9: O G do you have a moment when he was

1088
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 9: playing against him and he did something when you weren't

1089
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 9: out of court.

1090
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: Like yeah, man, now, yeah, that's what I used to

1091
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: do all the time. This motherfucker.

1092
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: I'd be like, man, I know I just played the

1093
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 2: best fucking defense on this mother and he spent on

1094
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 2: me this one time in Houston. You know, everybody coming

1095
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 2: out there. All them bitches came out there to see

1096
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 2: mikeel everybody you know here they come and see Mike.

1097
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, this motherfucker got this nigga jersey

1098
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: all morning.

1099
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 22: They got Max.

1100
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 7: Quit old Max for the night.

1101
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 11: Gotta go out here.

1102
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 7: His mother, So this mother.

1103
00:52:59,040 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: Was spending on men.

1104
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 7: Don't sit out of me.

1105
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 4: Man.

1106
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: It hit me on my ass when he's running back.

1107
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: I grabbed when I went and grabbed his mother. Man,

1108
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: keep your motherfucker, do not touch me, motherfucker. Keep your

1109
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: hands to your motherfucker self. Well we love Mike is

1110
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 2: the best, right, Yes.

1111
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: Go, Welcome to the show. Charlie Sheen.

1112
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 7: Talk to us about how you developed a friendship with

1113
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 7: Michael Jordan's.

1114
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 10: Well, how did that happen?

1115
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 7: Uh?

1116
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 23: It started with that the one thing that's in the dock. Yeah,

1117
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 23: and uh, this just this opportunity just fell out of

1118
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 23: the sky. There was this show, short lived show pitting

1119
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 23: actors against athletes in their in their respective sports right.

1120
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 23: And and the card we drew was was Jordan in

1121
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 23: a in a two on one and it was me

1122
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 23: and my dad and so.

1123
00:53:58,560 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 10: We didn't.

1124
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 23: I mean, we were just like, sure, why not, we'll

1125
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 23: get embarrassed on on national television together, you know.

1126
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was something happened that.

1127
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 3: Day before, guess so yeah about that.

1128
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 23: No, it was just one of those things because you know,

1129
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 23: I I I never played on a team. I just

1130
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 23: played baseball, you know. But I shot with Dad in

1131
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 23: the backyard like my whole childhood. In fact, I had

1132
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 23: to grow taller than him so I could finally block

1133
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 23: his baby hook one day because that thing tortured me,

1134
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 23: tortured me, and like I, I willed myself to reject it.

1135
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 23: And so he and I were, you know, we we

1136
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 23: we'd accepted the gig and and and he was like,

1137
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 23: you know, what's our plan against this guy?

1138
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 4: And I was like, I don't.

1139
00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 10: I don't. I don't have one.

1140
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 23: But if we just spread the floor, if we just

1141
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 23: don't get you know, clumped up, I don't think he

1142
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 23: can guard two people at the same time.

1143
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:09,959
Speaker 1: But I don't know if he could do that right.

1144
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 23: And I told I told Dad, I said, hey, man,

1145
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 23: do not do not roll out that that hook shot

1146
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 23: on him, because he's gonna block it with his armpit.

1147
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 23: And there's a if you ever get a chance to

1148
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 23: see that whole game, not just what's in the dock.

1149
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 23: There's a moment where Dad does a head Fig tries

1150
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 23: it and Jordan blocks it with his elbow. Yeah it

1151
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 23: was awesome, but yeah, he but he had to shoot

1152
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 23: his free throws with his eyes closed, so you know,

1153
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 23: bit hamstrung there.

1154
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 1: We've actually done that in the game though.

1155
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 23: Yeah, wow, damn because somebody was, uh, he was what

1156
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 23: what like what instigated that?

1157
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: Normally normally talking trash to somebody. Braun tried it too.

1158
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 6: That's awesome.

1159
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 24: Here it is right here, Kobe did it like that?

1160
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 23: Well I saw that in person. So yeah, So then

1161
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 23: I got his number after that, and we stayed in touch,

1162
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 23: and then I would go, you know, when I could

1163
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 23: afford it, right when I'm you know, a p after platoon, right,

1164
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 23: and I would fly out to Bulls home games, you know,

1165
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 23: and so I was kind of stalking him as well,

1166
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 23: you know. But yeah, and then then we did uh,

1167
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 23: then we worked together on a on a on a

1168
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 23: commercial campaign, we did Haynes, we sold underwear together, you know,

1169
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 23: So that was that was pretty cool.

1170
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 7: Any truth to him saying he didn't believe you eating

1171
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 7: him when you got to the underwear campaign twenty years later. Yes, yes,

1172
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 7: he raised it from his memory. We were doing this interview.

1173
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 23: And uh, it was like a behind the scenes thing

1174
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 23: just for their their content reel. And and so the

1175
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 23: guy the interview asked about that game and I'm like, well, yeah,

1176
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 23: I'm not here to rub it in his face. But

1177
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 23: did yeah, And he's like, no, you didn't.

1178
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: No, you didn't.

1179
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 10: Uh uh you did not.

1180
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 23: And I'm like, well, I can appreciate that, but it's

1181
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 23: on video. He was like, don't matter, don't matter.

1182
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: You didn't win, you didn't win.

1183
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 23: And I just thought, wow, I guess if you could

1184
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 23: just convince yourself of something like powerful, change the outcome.

1185
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 23: But no, he's a he's a he's a lovely man.

1186
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

1187
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 23: There was a time when I would text him and

1188
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 23: this dude would literally respond in like fifteen or twenty seconds.

1189
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 23: And I never did it like in front of people

1190
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 23: to show off, like watch how quickly MJ gets back

1191
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 23: to me. Right, No, But I was just like, wow,

1192
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 23: it's but I would use it like that's now the

1193
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 23: bar and I would tell my friends, I'm like, dude,

1194
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 23: it's been like four hours Michael Jordan responded, So it

1195
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 23: was a valuable tool.

1196
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 8: For me, you know.

1197
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 23: Oh and then so I missed. I think I missed

1198
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 23: my first free throw, right, but then I hit I

1199
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 23: hit eight in a row, and then on the last shot,

1200
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 23: he's he's seated like three feet from me, and just

1201
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 23: under his breath he goes choke and I missed the

1202
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 23: last one. Yeah, so he got in my head, you know,

1203
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 23: hasn't he?

1204
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 7: Yes, that he just erased it from a memory, so

1205
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 7: it never happened.

1206
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: That's that sound like?

1207
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 23: I mean it why why is there even a debate?

1208
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:51,959
Speaker 1: Right right?

1209
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 7: Never?

1210
00:58:53,200 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 23: I mean it just feels kind of obvious, right yeah.

1211
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: That Welcome to the stage.

1212
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 7: Larry Johnson to Space jam picture. Yeah, oh yeah, get

1213
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 7: us about what you mean. You're gonna get into what

1214
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 7: talk to us about space gym and what what was that?

1215
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: What that was like?

1216
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 8: Can I tell y'all story? I hook y'all laughing?

1217
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 7: Then what was that called?

1218
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: Right there? That was?

1219
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 8: That was your ladies and gentlemen. That was Michael.

1220
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 21: They built that because Mike, I think we was there

1221
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 21: a month a little over month. Mike was there the

1222
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 21: whole summer. So they built this like this is like

1223
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 21: a gym for him to practice in and get down in.

1224
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 21: And it was better than some arenas. Bro the shower was.

1225
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 21: This was unreal. And it was ball games every day.

1226
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 21: And you know the lot of cats in LA. So

1227
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 21: they was coming down Reggie, you know.

1228
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: Uh.

1229
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 21: And and you guys see what's my big guy name,

1230
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 21: Sean Bradley. If you show that picture, guess who I

1231
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 21: hung out with for a month. Money had Sean Bradley

1232
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 21: was me. And guess something. Ne Uggs was hurt. Mugs

1233
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 21: was hurt. Muggs had just had knee surgery. Doing this

1234
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 21: whole if I don't know if y'all saw space, Yeah,

1235
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 21: doing this whole film, he was never walking. It's a

1236
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 21: scene where we was walking. They was pulling him on

1237
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 21: the trolley. He couldn't walk. They was pulling him on

1238
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 21: the Charley Mugs. So I couldn't hang out with Mugs.

1239
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 21: He was just he was in the room all the time.

1240
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 21: Me and Sean was kind of hanging out man Sean Bradley. Yeah,

1241
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 21: good dude, good dude.

1242
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 7: What was it like though? I mean, that's that that

1243
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 7: movie that experienced.

1244
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 21: Oh no, no, it's my story. So I had a fade, right,

1245
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 21: I had for everybody got a ball here. Mugs just

1246
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 21: got a regular cut. That's easy to do, and Pat,

1247
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 21: you know when you probably got to work a little bit,

1248
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 21: but work a little bit.

1249
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 8: Pack out of what is that? What is that hot?

1250
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 8: What is that hot? Time?

1251
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: Pack out?

1252
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 7: But I had that's that Steve Hardy before Steve Harut, I.

1253
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 21: Had a blended fade right, and they had a tali

1254
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 21: in barber and I went there the first day. I'm sorry,

1255
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 21: I'm sorry, that's what he was. I went there the

1256
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 21: first day. I said, say, man, because they say you're

1257
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 21: gonna be here, and I said, can you do this?

1258
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 8: Oh, no problem, no problem, No brother.

1259
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 21: About five days he's later say man, getting a little bit,

1260
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 21: can you do this to fade it?

1261
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 7: No problem, no problem, no problem.

1262
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 21: About that tenth day when I went to get a cut,

1263
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 21: he started off with sizzles. He did all sizzles. I

1264
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 21: know I'm fucked up. I know I'm fucked and he

1265
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 21: was trying to fade me with sizzles. Brothers, and I'm like,

1266
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 21: i know I'm fucking He got me turned away from

1267
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 21: the mirror and it was like ten minutes lady talking

1268
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 21: about I'm done. I turned around, had a bowl cut

1269
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 21: around my mother. This was a bowl, bro. I say, man,

1270
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 21: I ain't And I went to my trailer and Muggsy

1271
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 21: Muggs little fucker ass. Muggsy cab it there be cause

1272
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 21: they was waiting on me on set and Muggsy carvey

1273
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 21: it there. He said, say, man, be waiting on you,

1274
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 21: and he saw about heir this bust out laughing right.

1275
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 21: I say, man, I ain't going it there, ain't going

1276
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 21: it up. He said, all right, man. He went back

1277
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 21: there told every last one of the motherfuckers that didn't

1278
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 21: cave it, I ain't never seen you by a drag

1279
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 21: like this before. He was over the floor. They was

1280
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 21: giving it to me and T T. K Carter. Anybody

1281
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 21: know him. He's one of the actors, man, he was.

1282
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 21: He was dudes on the he's one of the actors.

1283
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:16,919
Speaker 21: They had about five or six actors that are trying

1284
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 21: to teach us how to act in a short amount

1285
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 21: of time. But this dude TK Carter looked at me,

1286
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 21: said come on, LJ and took me to a barbershop

1287
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 21: right down the street and.

1288
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 8: In fifteen minutes, dude blending, yeah, brother, blend.

1289
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: Fucked up for a minute, though, I.

1290
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,479
Speaker 8: Ain't never seen Mike like that. I ain't never seen

1291
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 8: Mike and Charles barkle like that. They was giving it

1292
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 8: to me all over my floor. I get your ass

1293
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 8: out of here.

1294
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 7: Let's welcome enough, go ahead, just shoot. You'll come about

1295
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 7: because you've been a lifer.

1296
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:48,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's yeah.

1297
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 7: I was baking some golf gear in the back. We

1298
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 7: were the same size. I ain't seen the ship.

1299
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 15: Hey, listen, listen, man, you could have never told me

1300
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 15: it was like gonna be what it has become. And

1301
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 15: you know, a family situation like that. But uh, we started.

1302
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 15: I was a dude that wasn't you know, I got

1303
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 15: picked eighteen eighteen pick. Ain't about to really break the

1304
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 15: bank on O. Shoot if you get a shoot it

1305
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 15: at all. So, like you know what I'm saying, We

1306
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 15: was trying to figure out shit out. He was the

1307
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 15: he was the third third pick. Yeah, the highest high

1308
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 15: school pick up at that point.

1309
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 7: You know, yes, sir, give that, give it up up.

1310
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: You know KG was previously number five. Black came in

1311
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: and rewrote that.

1312
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 15: But like so we was trying to get a deal,

1313
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 15: and like our agent, I wasn't getting I was getting

1314
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 15: off of for just a pair of deals. He was

1315
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 15: getting what what our agent felt like was lowball, and

1316
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 15: then we was at uh. We went to Jordan campus

1317
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,439
Speaker 15: flight school out of trying to borrow for the kids

1318
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,919
Speaker 15: and ship that everybody would go to, and we had

1319
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 15: all of this and one ship they had just gave.

1320
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 15: They was giving up so much ship bro it was crazy.

1321
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 15: We had all this and one ship. So we got

1322
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 15: through hooping. The one day we icing down and.

1323
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 6: Fuck, y'all got all this ship off four and we

1324
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 6: was just.

1325
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 15: Like shit, like you know, and like we didn't know

1326
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 15: he had, you know, Jordan brand and that was all

1327
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 15: starting and ship and he was like, y'all get rid

1328
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 15: of that ship.

1329
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: Man, Like y'all gonna be with me.

1330
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 15: And were like okay, Like we didn't really know what

1331
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 15: that meant, but we like, we're gonna be with him.

1332
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 7: So we was, yeah, you at least get into a club.

1333
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 25: Then finally the next the next morning, our agent called us,

1334
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 25: was like, man, what y'all do we like what you're

1335
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 25: talking about? He was like, man, they just sent me

1336
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 25: over a contract. Y'all find the sign with Jordan's Wow,

1337
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 25: yeah you do you know what I'm saying?

1338
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 15: Shut all that down I went from getting a pair

1339
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,439
Speaker 15: of DEAs and some cash in fight right here.

1340
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 25: So you know, once we've seen that, you know we

1341
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 25: was fool with After that you already couldn't tell you ship,

1342
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 25: But after that, it was all the way over.

1343
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: It was a whole another game. Now now we're Jordan's down. Jordan, dudes, Bro,

1344
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: that was a stamp of appoof bro. I was like,

1345
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: min mind went way different than that. You had to

1346
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: get to the bobcat.

1347
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 7: Was at that time, Jack get boxes every leap year.

1348
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 9: Well, what it is is, at the time I got

1349
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 9: my joint deal, I was wearing proteges.

1350
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: If y'all don't know what protege.

1351
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 7: Is, hold on talking about out come out. So Jack

1352
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 7: the first time, shout out Harrington. By the way, I

1353
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 7: saw our brother the first time he bought protege in

1354
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 7: the game.

1355
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: What happened? We made a check off that bitch. Let

1356
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: me start there, Okay, but it also almost the end

1357
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: of his career.

1358
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 9: It definitely, it definitely ended my almost in my end

1359
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 9: of my It was some bullshit ass ship ship. Stephan

1360
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 9: gave us a game. This is one I knew he

1361
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 9: was a real friend.

1362
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 15: I knew he was a real friend because supposed to

1363
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,439
Speaker 15: that ship, I was like your son and A like stack,

1364
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 15: I need you to get in with I need you.

1365
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm like cool, you're my nigga. The worst decisions ever made.

1366
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 9: I end up breaking my toe and playing these ships

1367
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 9: right for three years, I think every quarter at every

1368
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 9: time out.

1369
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: If you wanted to know my moves, you have to

1370
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: watch the tape. Just the black marks was all on

1371
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: the court, so you can see everywhere I went right

1372
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: w as Shoes called prote.

1373
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 7: Very first game though, he made a move he made

1374
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 7: I don't know if it was a left right or

1375
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 7: right to left, but he came out like the soul

1376
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 7: went that way.

1377
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: I need another Paul. This is like two minutes in

1378
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: the game.

1379
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 7: Game just started. I said, oh shit.

1380
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 9: So then I get I get to I get traded

1381
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 9: to Charlotte with M Jed.

1382
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm playing in them shits. I make a move, I

1383
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: come out. I got my toe hanging out the mubles.

1384
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: I come to the sideline. I'm sending the ball boy

1385
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: to the back to get m saying like hold on,

1386
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: hold on, what's that? What's that? What is that? Like no, no, no, no,

1387
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: bring him some J's brought me some jays. He felt

1388
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: so bad for me. Dog. The next day, I had

1389
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: a John contract in my locker.

1390
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 7: It was a charity case.

1391
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: God damn. Say, you know sometimes I take it with Upda.

1392
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 7: Mike adopted Jeff. Hey, my dudes, look at that poor

1393
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 7: little boy over there. Let's get him twe You were

1394
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 7: someone that got to play with him in the summertime,

1395
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 7: but then against them on the biggest stage. What was

1396
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 7: that effect like in getting to go head ahead against Mike?

1397
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 5: Uh?

1398
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: My first three years.

1399
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 26: I came in the league in ninety six, so I

1400
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 26: went against the three the last three championships ninety six,

1401
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 26: ninety seven, ninety eight.

1402
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: I went one, one and eleven. Damn yeah, we went

1403
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: one eleven.

1404
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 26: I didn't play against him in the playoffs, but I

1405
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 26: was still kind of like a little fan too, because

1406
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 26: I came in at nineteen and I kind of grew

1407
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 26: up watching the Bulls. So I was a little fan.

1408
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 26: But I got my revenge when he came back to

1409
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 26: the Wizards.

1410
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 7: Okay, it's never too late. It's never too late.

1411
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 26: Yeah, when he came back to the Wizards, that's when

1412
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 26: I got my day. So these guys know, because obviously

1413
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 26: Darris and Q was with me in the summertime. So

1414
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 26: got a phone call two thousand and one. He was like, hey, man,

1415
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:33,919
Speaker 26: I heard you guys in the gym. I need y'all

1416
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 26: back with me. I'm like, oh, they're like yes, Michael Jordan,

1417
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 26: y'all remember you can call people private back in the day,

1418
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 26: so he called me private.

1419
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: It was okay.

1420
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 6: He was like, yeah, I need you back in the

1421
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 6: gym with me.

1422
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 4: So I called all the guys.

1423
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 26: We all worked out together every day anyway, and he

1424
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 26: moved our run over to Hoops Gym over in the

1425
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 26: West Loop if you guys familiar with that. MJ rented

1426
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 26: the whole gym out for the summer and we just

1427
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 26: started working out together. We had to pretty much, and

1428
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 26: they know this. We had to go off his routine.

1429
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 26: We played every day at two o'clock, but you have

1430
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 26: to do your individual work before two o'clock and then

1431
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 26: you play pickup ball and some of the most legendary

1432
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 26: runs you ever wanted to be a part of. If

1433
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 26: you lose, you may not get back on the court.

1434
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 26: It was thirty thirty five pros. You had everybody flying in.

1435
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 26: I remember you guys mentioned Lebron James. He was sixteen.

1436
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 26: He came in to play with us. He probably didn't

1437
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 26: play till like the tenth game. I felt bad for him.

1438
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 26: He flew out the way up to play. But it's thick.

1439
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,879
Speaker 26: It's thirty pros in the gym. That's already established.

1440
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 15: When and then the twin took him to the fifty

1441
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 15: yard line.

1442
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 7: What's the fifty yard line?

1443
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: And dn twin took him to the fifty yard.

1444
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 6: Man was a special party for somebody, y'all.

1445
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 7: So it's the fifty yard line.

1446
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 1: No tracks, Lebron James, and we ain't going in.

1447
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 4: We ain't going that way.

1448
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: We ain't going that way. But now that was my

1449
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: experience with Mike, So I got the opportunity. I'm not

1450
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 1: gonna little kill me with that. I got a chance

1451
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: to be.

1452
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 26: Around Mike every day man and see his work ethic,

1453
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 26: just like these guys like me and Dari's kid. We

1454
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 26: got a chance to be around him and see how

1455
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 26: great he was and the work after he put in

1456
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 26: and then see him do it at thirty seven thirty

1457
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 26: eight to get back in the league with something special

1458
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 26: to see. So those are memories I would always remember.

1459
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 26: We hung out and they know, guys know that we

1460
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 26: hung out. Move was four days, four or five days

1461
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 26: a week. We were together every day. Mike was so three.

1462
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 15: Like he he rented the hoops out right then it

1463
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 15: was like a joint parking lot. That was like, whatever

1464
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 15: the fuck it was. He turned that ship into his steakhouse,

1465
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 15: this restaurant. There wasn't nothing. I remember that after the

1466
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 15: workouts go from the workout, they about to play called.

1467
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 15: I ain't gambled with these motherfuckers. I was smart, but

1468
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 15: I watched. I saw, I watch, I've seen it.

1469
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 8: I seen it.

1470
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 15: But they out there like if you get you go

1471
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 15: over there, food, all this ship, wine, all that ship.

1472
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 15: They there smoking cigar, kicking it for hours. I'm like,

1473
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 15: I ain't with none of this ship. I'm gone.

1474
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

1475
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 26: It was one of the you know, one of the

1476
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 26: obviously greatest moments of my life. To be around the

1477
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 26: greatest and to see how he worked and how he

1478
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 26: went about his preparation to get prepared, especially at that age.

1479
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 26: So I just I learned a lot. And they know

1480
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,560
Speaker 26: how he was. He was super competitive. He wanted to

1481
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 26: win every day. If you won't win, you weren't winning.

1482
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 26: You didn't mean anything to him. He didn't care about.

1483
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 26: He don't like losers. You gotta win. So you just

1484
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 26: learned a lot in this competitive spirit and how he

1485
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 26: how he liked to do things. So that was one

1486
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 26: of the most memorable times in my life. To be

1487
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 26: able to play against Mike for two years and be

1488
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 26: around him and it's in his personal space and to

1489
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 26: see how he does it on an everyday basis was

1490
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 26: something special for me.

1491
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 4: Up.

1492
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: Not a lot of people say that we got to do.

1493
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 7: Ship talking was crazy. He like, what kind of ship

1494
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 7: talking was going on?

1495
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: That was like talking?

1496
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 9: And he say, crazy, ship you never want nothing? Yeah,

1497
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 9: he told me I wasn't ship. We was losing too.

1498
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 9: And Charlotte, he came in practicing and had his weight

1499
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 9: with us. Bro talk to us bad every time, man,

1500
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 9: everybody every championship with the average and everything. We couldn't

1501
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 9: say nothing, and we were showing that he was badly

1502
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 9: making the playoffs and how we gonna get six Championshipsig.

1503
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,480
Speaker 7: Dude, what was that ship talking like back in the days?

1504
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 25: It's Mike used to like. I remember my first me

1505
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 25: first being around Mike. I couldn't believe he cussed. What

1506
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 25: I called my mama was like man, Mike cuss like us.

1507
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 25: He was just cussing like us, like but ten Twine

1508
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 25: like Twine and super shit talking you know him in

1509
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 25: the gym. It just kept the momentum in the gym

1510
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,799
Speaker 25: and the atmosphere in the gym with Mike and Twine

1511
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 25: and different guys you had balls and there like Mike Finn.

1512
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 25: He ain't used to say shit, but he used being there,

1513
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 25: bus and folks truly, you know what I'm saying. So

1514
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 25: the ship talking used to be at an all time high.

1515
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 15: Stack listen, let me tell you the dope is like

1516
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 15: Stack did some of the most ball of shit I

1517
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 15: thought at that point, was like some of the coldest

1518
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 15: shit ever, Like he was playing for the Pistons. Then Stack,

1519
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 15: you know, country boy had a big ass boat. He

1520
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 15: brought a boat over with his two rows voices on

1521
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 15: that bitch and stage like Rember stayed for like two

1522
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 15: months and had we.

1523
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 1: Thought he they came up with my boat. That's hard.

1524
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 15: We started calling him up for a stack dollar, me

1525
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 15: and my homeboy stack dollar.

1526
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: I say that, I said, that boat over this bitch

1527
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: Michigan that was so cold to me is hard. That's hard.

1528
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, s O G.

1529
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: The legend.

1530
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 7: Andre Watt Marita quote here. I consider Hi one of

1531
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 7: the best fighters of all time. He had a sense

1532
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 7: of class about him, which which I absolutely loved. He

1533
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 7: wasn't your typical boxer. When you hear that from Michael

1534
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 7: Jordan's what does that make you think?

1535
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 6: That's big? Anything coming from Mike, that's Mike.

1536
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 27: You know, Mike don't comment on everybody, so you know,

1537
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 27: and that's one of the reasons why he signed me,

1538
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 27: and Mike don't sign everybody, so it's it's big man.

1539
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 27: I appreciate it, and I'm comfortable, man, with the legacy

1540
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 27: I left, you know, in the ring. If they would

1541
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 27: have called me a couple of years before, they probably

1542
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 27: would have got the other guy they was looking for it,

1543
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 27: you know what I'm saying, right, Yeah, to turn up

1544
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 27: and all of that, They probably would have got that.

1545
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 27: But you know, for me, man, God had brought me

1546
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 27: through a lot and I was still changing even when

1547
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,759
Speaker 27: I turned I was still in the process of becoming

1548
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 27: you know what I'm saying. And I had seen a

1549
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 27: lot of that stuff growing up, you know, And I

1550
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 27: don't knock nobody in how they get down, but for me,

1551
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 27: I was like, man, I'm a fierce competitor. You're not

1552
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 27: gonna step on me. And no promotion or nothing like that,

1553
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 27: no press conference. But I'm gonna try to do this

1554
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 27: in a classic way. You're gonna you're gonna feel my presence,

1555
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 27: but I'm gonna try to do this in a classic way,

1556
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 27: your way, the way I felt like I would do it,

1557
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 27: because at the end of the day, I knew my

1558
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 27: career was gonna be over it at a certain point

1559
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:52,719
Speaker 27: in time, and I'm not trying to build this monster

1560
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 27: that I got.

1561
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 6: To live with now and retire, you know what I'm saying.

1562
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 27: I dropped my kids off at school. You know, I'm

1563
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 27: able to still do business. You're talking about it all

1564
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 27: the time, doing business and these projects and stuff like that.

1565
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 27: I wanted to have a life outside of this sport,

1566
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 27: and sometimes the sport wants you to crash out and

1567
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:11,640
Speaker 27: they don't care what happens.

1568
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 1: To you after at all at all.

1569
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 27: So I've been able to make a great living outside

1570
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 27: of box and being retired six years now, and.

1571
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 6: I ain't took it through a punch in six six years.

1572
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 6: That's what that was the goal.

1573
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 1: That was Jordan. Let's talk about or because I'm under

1574
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: Joyan too.

1575
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 19: But Who's your Reggie was one of my reps mark raveling.

1576
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 9: So for me that was growing up not being able

1577
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 9: to afford them and have been sponsored by Jordan.

1578
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: That was the best feeling, one of the best ones

1579
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: I ever had in life.

1580
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 3: Man, talk about it, getting them boxes, them elite.

1581
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 7: Listen, you still get them?

1582
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I need to find your rep.

1583
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 6: I got a boxing about four months.

1584
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1585
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 27: Hey, Larry Miller, that's my brother.

1586
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 6: Man.

1587
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 19: Larry said, Man, you're a Jordan athlete for life.

1588
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 27: I said, Mary, hold you do it.

1589
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: Always all through it too.

1590
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 19: Yeah, But man, like, I don't know what it is

1591
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 19: with me and shoes.

1592
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 27: Always was a shoe person. I look at your shoes first,

1593
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 27: and I look at everything else.

1594
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 7: You can tell a lot some clean shoes you can

1595
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 7: tell a lot that.

1596
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 27: I just I used to call my grandmother Grammy, what

1597
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 27: shoes you got on? I just That's how it always was.

1598
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 19: And my dad used to tell me, he said, this boy,

1599
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:23,440
Speaker 19: ever get some money off a whole lot of shoes.

1600
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 9: Dude, and do clean shoes. It's just like looking at

1601
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 9: the one with opatow shoes on at he ain't done.

1602
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: They beat up.

1603
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 27: That's a lot but that but that's also the culture

1604
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 27: in the bay too, Like we'll have some some Jordan's

1605
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 27: on and some regular jeans and a white T shirt.

1606
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, long was your shoes clean?

1607
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? You all right?

1608
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the same way today.

1609
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 7: How did the conversation and the deal come together for

1610
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 7: the Jordan thing? And what was that first conversation with Mike?

1611
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 7: Like did you almost pass out when you met him?

1612
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 4: Man?

1613
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 27: I was, I don't get in I don't really like

1614
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,600
Speaker 27: get in all with a lot of people, and not

1615
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 27: from a disrespectful standpoint. I just you know, it's like

1616
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 27: that's so and so that's cool. But Mike is did

1617
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 27: is different?

1618
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 19: Mike got an r about it, like he not even trying.

1619
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 7: He just Mike.

1620
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1621
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 6: So they just you know, they had that.

1622
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 27: I was on the radar and it was a lot

1623
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 27: of you know, back and forth and they'll send me

1624
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 27: a couple of boxes and stuff like that, and it

1625
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 27: was a lot of talking. But you know, it's a

1626
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 27: couple of years of that and then then we finally

1627
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 27: locked in a deal. But Mike, man, he got he

1628
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 27: got all Man, he got he got it.

1629
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 6: He walk in the room.

1630
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:23,640
Speaker 1: Walking right.

1631
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 6: Now, everything on stop.

1632
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: He don't want nothing fake around him.

1633
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, he don't want no fans. He want everything family

1634
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 9: in genuine. He don't want like he a normal dude.

1635
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 28: Yeah.

1636
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 27: He talked crazy and he competing to this day, whether

1637
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 27: he golfing, and you know he like to play cards

1638
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 27: and stuff. Man, I got a lot of love from

1639
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 27: Mike Man, a lot of love. When I was getting

1640
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 27: ready to do the documentary. My brother, uh, Deontay Thoms,

1641
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 27: and we grew up together and he worked with small productions,

1642
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 27: and uh, he was like.

1643
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 6: Bro, we gotta get Mike. Like, Bro, I'm not calling Mike,

1644
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 6: not doing it.

1645
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 27: So he was going back and forth for weeks, and

1646
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 27: I said, bro, I'm not calling Mike, but he said, bro,

1647
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 27: just calling You got to be able to do stuff

1648
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 27: like this. If we're gonna make this doc, do what

1649
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 27: to do? All right, But I'll call him. So I

1650
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 27: called Larry Miller. I said, Larry Man, look, I know

1651
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:08,759
Speaker 27: Mike busy.

1652
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 6: So I did that whole thing. He said, let me

1653
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 6: let me make.

1654
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 27: A phone calling and see what's up. He called me

1655
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 27: right back, said Mike want you to call him?

1656
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 6: Mad up? So I called him. Man.

1657
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 27: We flew out to North Carolina, to the facility. We

1658
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 27: knocked it out. That was the easiest interview we did.

1659
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 6: That's how Mike is.

1660
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: I did us a last car.

1661
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 7: We still ain't got to sit down with him, but

1662
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 7: that's how he.

1663
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 1: Did car like Mike ms. It's a little different. But yeah,

1664
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: we ain't talk to him that.

1665
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 7: We still wasn't on the interview, but he said he's

1666
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 7: with us.

1667
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 27: This I called Mike kids though. So we were all

1668
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 27: in like a boardroom at the facility.

1669
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:48,679
Speaker 6: He come in there scanning shoes.

1670
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: You better not have nothing.

1671
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 6: I was good, you know, I was good.

1672
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 1: Mike.

1673
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 6: One of my one of my guys had on some

1674
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 6: Adidas though.

1675
01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 1: He don't care if it's Guccia or whatever. If it

1676
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 1: ain't your and it's not.

1677
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 6: They take like people that's in that industry. Oh it's serious.

1678
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he take this.

1679
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:06,719
Speaker 6: He came in, what's something like everybody?

1680
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: You know, everybody?

1681
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 6: What's up with your man? I'm like, what you mean?

1682
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 6: I said, but I told you, bro not to wear them.

1683
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 19: We can get it right, man, But yeah, yeah, your

1684
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 19: boy good.

1685
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 6: But he got he ain't right. He ain't right for that.

1686
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 7: You make him take his shoes off almost damn near Bro.

1687
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: We went to NASCAR.

1688
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 7: How the NASCAR team they got them all, they won.

1689
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:30,599
Speaker 1: Jordan's about changing tires.

1690
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 6: They take it here.

1691
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:36,719
Speaker 1: It's crazy taking here, take everybody though, that's dope. Uh.

1692
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 7: Any truth that he would text you had a fight

1693
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 7: sometimes or before fights.

1694
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 6: He just send me voice memos all that. Yeah, And.

1695
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 27: I'm not comparing myself to Mike, but man, we got

1696
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 27: a lot of the same juice and mentality in terms

1697
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 27: of like it's win or die.

1698
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 19: It ain't no win or lose, win or die period.

1699
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 19: And people be like, hello, you come on, man, you're

1700
01:18:58,720 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 19: taking it too far.

1701
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 27: No, That's how I felt like I used to think

1702
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 27: in training camp on them tough days, like, man, what

1703
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 27: Sunday night, late night gonna feel like after this fight

1704
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 27: Sunday morning when I wake up, I'm thinking about looking

1705
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 27: at my wife and my kids, and I remember the

1706
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 27: last loss I had and what I felt like.

1707
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,599
Speaker 1: You said at fourteen, though, Yeah, that's crazy.

1708
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 27: John reveris from Baton Rouge, Louisiana Country. We was in Lenxic,

1709
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 27: Kansas at the National Silver Gloves Nationals and we in

1710
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 27: opposite brackets fourteen fifteen year old division, so he was fifteen.

1711
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 27: So he's a little bit older, and I'm out boxing

1712
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 27: people doing my thing, and it's three rings, so you

1713
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 27: kind of see like, man, you fighting.

1714
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 6: But then the dude you might fight, he fighting in

1715
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 6: this ring right after.

1716
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 27: So I'm watching him the whole week and he knocking

1717
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 27: dudes out, bang bang, they going out, man, And I

1718
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 27: remember seeing them around the hotel.

1719
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 6: And I didn't tell.

1720
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 27: Verse this, but that's the last time I ever got

1721
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 27: intimidated and allowed myself to get beat before I got

1722
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 27: in the ring a mental side, and I wasn't spooke like,

1723
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 27: oh my god, but I was like, well, he kind

1724
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 27: of strong, like I had a little hea about me.

1725
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 27: It was a closed decision. Of course, I thought I won.

1726
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 27: I should have got the nod, but deep down I

1727
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 27: knew when I was going home, I'm on the Southwest flight,

1728
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 27: had a whole road on myself, curled up in the ball.

1729
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 6: I remember that.

1730
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 27: I remember looking at Verger's face and looking at my

1731
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 27: assistant trainer's face. I remember being home that week and ah, man,

1732
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 27: you lost hunh. I remember that, and I never wanted

1733
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 27: to feel that again. And I made up my mind

1734
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 27: that day nobody will ever beat me before they get

1735
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 27: in the ring with me again.

1736
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 6: They gonna have to earn it.

1737
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 27: I let your appearance, and I let you being a

1738
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 27: little older, and the way you was taking care of

1739
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 27: your business getting.

1740
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:41,759
Speaker 6: Me never again, Never again. Favorite J Eleven's for sure.

1741
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 27: Really I love eleven God, I love elevens, But I

1742
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 27: also love the ones too.

1743
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: He's the first person I heard.

1744
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 19: I love the ones because I can dress them up

1745
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 19: and dress them.

1746
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: But you got I'm gonna give you a chance. What's

1747
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 1: your favorite?

1748
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 4: And I love for to story.

1749
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I love all the ones I couldn't afford when.

1750
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 27: I was a kid.

1751
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1752
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 6: Like I couldn't get there, the.

1753
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 9: Threes and four us, that's the dope boys growing up,

1754
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 9: they had them on the block.

1755
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 1: That's the ones we always wanted.

1756
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 6: The ones I couldn't afford them, the ones I gravitate

1757
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 6: to the moment.

1758
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 7: You ever consider using some retros and and and shape

1759
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 7: them in the boxing shoes?

1760
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would love to.

1761
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 27: Man, Like we we took a couple of runs at

1762
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 27: it with the with the Jordan team man, and we

1763
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 27: weren't able to like get something that can go out.

1764
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 27: But like I got that kind of mind, man, Like

1765
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 27: I think about like that kind of stuff all the

1766
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 27: time because I'm you know, I'm a creative type and

1767
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 27: it's a need for that kind of stuff in boxing.

1768
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 6: Like GE's some shoes out there. Most of them are

1769
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 6: not great.

1770
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 27: You got a few that's like they okay, But we

1771
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 27: need something that's like a standard test of time. It's

1772
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 27: like Rory's uh boxing boot, you know that he had

1773
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 27: with Jordan.

1774
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 19: That thing lasted over a decade strong, and.

1775
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 6: I might be putting something out like that one.

1776
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 1: Come on, Mike, you hear him.

1777
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 7: Welcome to the show, Josh around this time. Uh, you know,

1778
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 7: Jordan is on his way up, and you guys to

1779
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 7: beat the bull Street three consecutive years, and you guys

1780
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 7: have something called the Jordan rule.

1781
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk to us about that.

1782
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 29: Another thing you would have liked, Matt, because push him left.

1783
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 29: That's that's your Jordan rule. Rights, that's all I'm allowed

1784
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 29: to give away.

1785
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 7: It's still top secret, no, but we're going to be there.

1786
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 29: The deal is this, you push him left right. If

1787
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 29: he catches the ball on the left side, push him left.

1788
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:36,640
Speaker 29: He's not going to pass it right. Kobe is not

1789
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 29: the chucker. Michael is the checker. Kobe shots go in.

1790
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 29: Michael kept shooting until they went in. But Mike, Mike

1791
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:49,600
Speaker 29: was deadly. So when he caught the ball on the

1792
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 29: left elbow, push him left. And Joe can do that

1793
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 29: all day because Joe two hundred and twenty pounds. And

1794
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 29: when he picks the ball up, go back to your

1795
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 29: man because he's not going to pass it. He's going

1796
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 29: to shoot it. And when he comes in the middle,

1797
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 29: put him on his back. So if he's on the

1798
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 29: right side, he goes left, that's when he turned his

1799
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 29: body this way and stick his tongue out.

1800
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 7: And that's when I asked, well, right when he went

1801
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 7: down right there.

1802
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 29: As soon as he goes left, as soon as he

1803
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 29: gets foot in the paint, foulo.

1804
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: And it's just a regular foul. Yeah, everybody gets.

1805
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 29: But don't know tic tac files meaning for anybody out there,

1806
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 29: don't pull your hand back. Foul through right foul him

1807
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 29: hit him and used to be allowed to do that,

1808
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 29: used to be allowed to you know, even if a

1809
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 29: guard was coming to the lane there was a big man,

1810
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 29: a big man turned and bumped into you and you

1811
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 29: hit the ground. RAF wouldn't call that because yo, ash,

1812
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 29: you're not supposed to be in there but the big man,

1813
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:51,719
Speaker 29: and he's just turning his body.

1814
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: We also knew to go after Scottie.

1815
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 29: So the other Jordan rule was make Scotty keep the

1816
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 29: ball with Scotty, make everybody else try to beat us.

1817
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 29: And that said, when he caught the ball, all eyes

1818
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 29: was on Michael because he's not going to pass to

1819
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 29: your man. You don't have to worry about him Magic Johnson,

1820
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 29: and by your ear, he ain't passing it. So as

1821
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 29: soon as he puts the ball down, everybody come, everybody,

1822
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 29: every and they got you watching on film. They would start, hey,

1823
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 29: what's the rule? When he comes, everybody comes. He's not

1824
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 29: passing it to your man. And if you watch, Michael

1825
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 29: would put the ball every which way, not to give

1826
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 29: it to one of his one of his team.

1827
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 1: That's it.

1828
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 7: You got a chance to play with him later. Did

1829
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 7: you guys ever discuss what it was about the reasoning?

1830
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 7: Because I mean he openly said, I mean that got

1831
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 7: him better. Yeah, you know what I mean. Have you

1832
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:48,559
Speaker 7: guys ever discussed being teammates at one point?

1833
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1834
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:51,639
Speaker 29: When I when I they didn't have to ask him.

1835
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 29: But when I came on to the team, he said,

1836
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 29: you wear a Nike, right, So I said, yes, sir,

1837
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 29: got it. He said, what's side? You were so ad fifteen?

1838
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 29: He's like, all right, that's what's up. That's up, just

1839
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 29: making sure you ain't, you know, doing no craziness over there.

1840
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 29: The next day I came in. My whole locker was

1841
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 29: full of Alonzo morning sneakers because Elonzo used to get

1842
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 29: them first, and they were red and white, and.

1843
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 4: Then I got him.

1844
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 1: I was like, good looking. He said, yeah, yeah, you know.

1845
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,919
Speaker 1: That was that. And he would always ask us questions.

1846
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:29,639
Speaker 29: He would ask Dennis questions with Dennis and have answers.

1847
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 1: Answers he would ask Bood and.

1848
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 29: He said, man, when we would come in and like

1849
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 29: I said, if we knew that we was in his head,

1850
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 29: we would have never lost. We didn't know how intense

1851
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 29: or how much we were in his head. I remember

1852
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 29: we were playing and I go in and I see

1853
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 29: him myself.

1854
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 1: After the game. He goes, yeah, yeah, you after the game,

1855
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 1: I got the Ferrari. You're gonna show you. I can't wait.

1856
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: We beat him.

1857
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 29: I come out and said, what's up, man, get away

1858
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 29: from me, what happened? Get away from me? I was like, damn,

1859
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 29: he's sensitive. Like, Hey, where I'm gonna eat tonight? Like

1860
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 29: I said, I was intense when those numbers was up.

1861
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 29: I would very very focused. But when we would talk,

1862
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,640
Speaker 29: he would ask us. He would ask us, did we

1863
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 29: try to hurt him? We were like, Nah, if you

1864
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 29: went left, we hit you. We went left in the middle,

1865
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 29: you got we stopped you in the paint. Because he

1866
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 29: can ignite a whole nation by dunking on somebody. And

1867
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 29: you can see sometime he would go and we would

1868
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 29: all come and then he would try to get a

1869
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 29: shot off and hit the floor. We're not catching him,

1870
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 29: step over him and keep running. And we knew, we

1871
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 29: knew that his teammates looked to him for everything, everything,

1872
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 29: and we would punk everybody.

1873
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 7: Welcome to the show, Muggsy Bows. You got a chance

1874
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 7: to play against CMJ in college. You guys are in

1875
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 7: the league at the same time, you start to see

1876
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 7: him build his legends. Uh, any great memorable matchups or

1877
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 7: stories against MJ.

1878
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 30: You could share, Well, you know MJ he always liked like, well,

1879
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 30: I will say, you always like to fuck with me.

1880
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 30: You know you know that, you know he just that's

1881
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 30: just on one another when we come in contact. I

1882
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 30: mean even off the court to this to this day,

1883
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:22,679
Speaker 30: you know, walking around, he'll put his hand up high, trying,

1884
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 30: you know, for me to give him a high five,

1885
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 30: and I'll put my hand down low and then you come.

1886
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 4: Down and give me a low five. So it's just

1887
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 4: it's just not compete.

1888
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 30: I mean, compete against one another. But but but am man,

1889
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:38,560
Speaker 30: you know you always tell you especially with me and

1890
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 30: playing the game.

1891
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:42,600
Speaker 1: You know, Lord, it was.

1892
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:44,599
Speaker 30: Some stuff that's going on in the internet where they

1893
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 30: say that he called me a midget, which is not true,

1894
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 30: and they felt like he had some kind of impact,

1895
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 30: which is not true. He always called me short, little fella.

1896
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 30: Yeah you need law ass. He always call me law

1897
01:27:55,640 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 30: ass and that short stuff. So we playing against them.

1898
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 30: Of course, he got the ball. He just came back

1899
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 30: from from retirement. He got the ball up in there,

1900
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 30: and I'm at him. I'm playing on the baseline.

1901
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 4: One on one.

1902
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 30: Of course, everybody and my team know that I don't

1903
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 30: like help. Don't come and help me. I don't care

1904
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 30: any where they guys don't come out because yeah, no,

1905
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 30: no back and try to back me down because guys

1906
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 30: ain't used to playing their back to the backs anyway.

1907
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 30: But anyway, this particular moment, and I guess it became

1908
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 30: infamous because he got as a card that's out where

1909
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 30: he holding the ball up, and I'm looking right at

1910
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 30: him and I'm talking and I'm talking ship to him.

1911
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 30: I'm telling him, come on, what you're gonna do. And

1912
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 30: then all of a sudden he start to try to

1913
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:43,720
Speaker 30: back me in, and try to back me in, and

1914
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 30: try to back me in, and then all of a

1915
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 30: sudden he tried to turn around shoot his little jumper.

1916
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:51,600
Speaker 30: I smacked it down. But they call illegal defense on

1917
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 30: somebody because they wasn't that they was on to cross

1918
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 30: the line. But I always fucking with that. Tell him, look,

1919
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 30: you know, you know there was a steal on you.

1920
01:28:59,000 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 1: You know.

1921
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 30: You know that ball, that ball defender. I'm gonna make

1922
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 30: you think about that when you got that ball in

1923
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 30: your hand.

1924
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 7: The one and only Charles Barkley m v P that

1925
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 7: season but lost in the finals. We recently talked to

1926
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 7: Magic about, you know, his back and forth with Isaiah

1927
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 7: and Isaiah and MJ's beef or whatever that may be.

1928
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 7: You and MJ were really close and haven't spoke in

1929
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 7: some time. Is there is there light at the end

1930
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 7: of the tunne with that. Do you feel like you

1931
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 7: guys can mind that?

1932
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 10: That would be on his end, Matt.

1933
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 31: He was my best friend at the time, and I

1934
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,640
Speaker 31: love the guy and I missed the guy, but you know,

1935
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 31: I gotta do my job. What I said was, I said,

1936
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 31: first of all, I don't think it's fair for me

1937
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 31: to critique other gms and coaches.

1938
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 1: And have a double time.

1939
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 31: That goes back to the skill Bailest, like you can

1940
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 31: tell the guys he like and guys he just like.

1941
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 1: I think I'm fair to everybody.

1942
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 31: What I said about Michael, I said, I don't know

1943
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 31: if he's ever going to be successful because of the

1944
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 31: people around him. I think he hires too many of

1945
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 31: his friends. And because your friends don't ever tell you no.

1946
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 31: The hardest thing about being famous is because you're paying

1947
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 31: all the bills, they're on your private jet, they're not

1948
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 31: gonna tell you when you're doing something wrong.

1949
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 1: And I said that.

1950
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:31,799
Speaker 31: I didn't because he was struggling as a general manager

1951
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 31: a running the team.

1952
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 1: And I said, I don't know.

1953
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 31: If he's ever going to be successful because the people

1954
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 31: around him are never going to tell him no.

1955
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 1: And like, yeah, don't draft that dude. We need to

1956
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 1: trade that dude.

1957
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:46,799
Speaker 31: Blah blah blah, and he went ballistic and he called

1958
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 31: me and that's the last thing I heard was motherfucker,

1959
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 31: fuck you. You're supposed to be my boy and blah blah.

1960
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 31: And I said, man, man, I got to do my job.

1961
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:58,680
Speaker 31: And we haven't spoken since that night, and that was

1962
01:30:58,680 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 31: probably close to ten years ago.

1963
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:02,760
Speaker 9: But I kind of agree with that, because you know,

1964
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:05,760
Speaker 9: they traded me after I brought to the playoffs for

1965
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 9: the first time.

1966
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do make some bad decisions over there.

1967
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 9: Welcome to the show, Barry Bonds. Than you were you

1968
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:14,639
Speaker 9: close to any NBA players of your time.

1969
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 32: Jordan and I kind of came up together. We were

1970
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 32: in Chicago when Jordan first came in the league. We

1971
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 32: used to hang out in Chicago all the time when

1972
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 32: he was at the Bulls and stuff.

1973
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 7: And I don't just tell us some shit like that.

1974
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 1: Two of the.

1975
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 32: Great I tell you, like, Michael Jordan was before he

1976
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 32: even became the most famous person ever him tied and

1977
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 32: we were in Chicago and he was just I mean,

1978
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 32: he's only two years older than I am, you know,

1979
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:47,439
Speaker 32: And we went out to just to grab a bite

1980
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 32: to eat, and I ain't never seen a line of

1981
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 32: people just that wanted to just talk to this guy.

1982
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 32: And I was just coming up too, so I was rookie,

1983
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:01,640
Speaker 32: so nobody knew who I was, you know. It was

1984
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 32: just Bobbie Bond's son, nobody at the time. And I

1985
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 32: thought I was pretty big at the time because I

1986
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 32: made it. But Michael had all these people, and he

1987
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 32: had they had a couple of security guys there watching.

1988
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 32: Michael was so nice. He was just signing auto grass

1989
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:15,720
Speaker 32: and We're trying to grab something to eat, and I'm

1990
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 32: over here going, I'm Barry Hello.

1991
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 8: You know what it's like to have somebody that good,

1992
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:21,559
Speaker 8: you know what I mean.

1993
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 1: And for that one moment, I'm.

1994
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 32: Like, I want to be like Mike one day, you know,

1995
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:27,680
Speaker 32: when you really see it from the very beginning.

1996
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 8: But he was so he was already.

1997
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 32: Large before k became larger than anything. And I will

1998
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 32: always remember that he was. He was always like, come on,

1999
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 32: be let's go, and you know, and it was good

2000
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 32: because we've we've always been like really, you know, good friends,

2001
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 32: and even at a distance, you know now that you

2002
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 32: know his profession's gone to where it's gone, and even

2003
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:49,679
Speaker 32: got distance, we even if we talk and we haven't

2004
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 32: talked in a long time, like we talked to things

2005
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 32: like last year. We had a conversation not too long ago.

2006
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:56,760
Speaker 32: And it always seems like we've never missed a beat.

2007
01:32:57,280 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 32: And that's that's what's really good about.

2008
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, I got a question, I mean with We talked

2009
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 7: to Kobe about Mike, and Kobe said every aspect dealing

2010
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:08,600
Speaker 7: with Mike was competitive and maybe that's because that was

2011
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 7: a young guy trying to catch him?

2012
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 1: Was everything with you guys?

2013
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 7: Was it more just a genuine conversation friendship or was

2014
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:15,680
Speaker 7: there some competitiveness even in the conversation.

2015
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:18,440
Speaker 32: We played two different fields, so two different.

2016
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:20,719
Speaker 7: Well he tried, he tried to come to your field though, Well.

2017
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 8: That was happening.

2018
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 32: I mean, I love Mike, but no, that wasn't gone.

2019
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 1: Do you ever actual for advice on baseball?

2020
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 32: No, I got never asked him advice and bats I

2021
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,639
Speaker 32: knew he was that good and you know, but uh,

2022
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 32: we always joked around with you. I mean, we had

2023
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 32: always a great respect for each other. I think Michael's

2024
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:45,680
Speaker 32: I saw Michael the same thing he probably saw me

2025
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 32: that this I Q a vision of you know, the

2026
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 32: type of players.

2027
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 1: We were.

2028
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 7: Welcome Joe Johnson to the show.

2029
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 1: What was your welcome to the NBA moment?

2030
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:59,120
Speaker 33: My welcome to the NBA moment was playing against Uh

2031
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,679
Speaker 33: was playing against so my rookie year. Was MJ's first

2032
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 33: year back in the NBA with the Wizards. Yeah, we

2033
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 33: played against them fourth game of the season. I was

2034
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 33: starting every Ed Williams getting hurt the second game of

2035
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 33: the season, small four, so they start me. Uh, and

2036
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 33: I got a guard MJ. Paul Piers like, man, I'm

2037
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 33: gonna get him in the fourth quarter. I need you

2038
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 33: to give him the first three.

2039
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 1: Look. Look, I'm like, all right, all right bet so uh.

2040
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 33: Man, we got out there first off, touring and MJ

2041
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 33: talking stuff through each other on the tip, Like you

2042
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 33: know what I'm saying.

2043
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 1: So m J.

2044
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 33: Taylor, Paul, I gotta come all the way back to

2045
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 33: the NBA just to just to get a pickup game

2046
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 33: with you, just to get a run with you.

2047
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 1: So hey, all going back and forth the whole game.

2048
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 33: But I'm like, man, y'all got a chill, you know

2049
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 33: what I'm saying, Like I'm the one got to guard

2050
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 33: this man.

2051
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,320
Speaker 1: But uh, it was. It was a fun moment.

2052
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 2: Man.

2053
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:56,599
Speaker 33: I embraced the challenge and I had so much fun.

2054
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 33: But I got so many pictures and memories from that moment,

2055
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:01,680
Speaker 33: and even if like it was crazy, it was on

2056
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 33: TNT like I'll never forget it.

2057
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 1: What did he do? That game? What did MJ do?

2058
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 33: He finished with like thirty thirty two? What you he

2059
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 33: ended up getting? I had sixteen to ten? Oh yeah, yeah, silent, silent, silent,

2060
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 33: solid playing which one in prime?

2061
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:18,240
Speaker 1: That's solid?

2062
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm surprised you got I'm surprised you got enough

2063
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:28,839
Speaker 7: looks to get sixteen with them too, Right, Rip Hamilton,

2064
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 7: Welcome to the show Man.

2065
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 1: Make your mark.

2066
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 7: You feel like you've arrived your second year, your third year,

2067
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 7: MJ comes back. Tell me about him coming back first

2068
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:39,639
Speaker 7: and foremost, and then the second part of the questions

2069
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 7: is do you feel like that's stunned where you obviously

2070
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 7: your process and your growth at the time.

2071
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 1: Oh man, MJ. Man, that was awesome for my career.

2072
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:50,760
Speaker 12: You know, I always used to hear a lot of

2073
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,479
Speaker 12: people talk about, Okay, MJ coming back to a young, young,

2074
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 12: a young team, and that's going to stun a lot

2075
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 12: of their guards, you know, growth, because at the time,

2076
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:01,479
Speaker 12: you know, it was me Leron prophet and was a

2077
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 12: guy Courtney Alexander who was man.

2078
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 8: He was a problem too.

2079
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:07,960
Speaker 1: He was a guy that played on the wing with me.

2080
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:10,760
Speaker 12: That you know, we both that during that second half

2081
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:13,559
Speaker 12: of the year in Washington after my second year, we

2082
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 12: both averaged you know, close to thirty points a game.

2083
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 1: You know, it was balling.

2084
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 12: But when MJ came man, it was it was the

2085
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:24,080
Speaker 12: goat man. That's that's that's gold status man as a

2086
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 12: two guard coming up and Mike, you know, being your

2087
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 12: idol growing up, and now you got an opportunity to

2088
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 12: lock it up with him and and and learn and

2089
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:35,679
Speaker 12: get as much information off of him as possible. Because

2090
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 12: even my second year, he used to come down and

2091
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 12: practice with us all the time, right, but he didn't

2092
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:42,280
Speaker 12: you know, every now and then he had come in

2093
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 12: and you know, work out with It's kind of similar

2094
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 12: what he did with y'all when you was on.

2095
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 4: The Bodcap Shack.

2096
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 12: You know, he come down and work out with us,

2097
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 12: and me and Proft used to play with him all

2098
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 12: the time, and we used to talk trash to MJ

2099
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 12: all the time. But it was only certain things that

2100
01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 12: I would say and you know Prof would sometimes you know,

2101
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:58,680
Speaker 12: say a little bit of extra stuff that.

2102
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:00,559
Speaker 1: I would, I would and go there.

2103
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 12: And I remember one time we were playing in practice

2104
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 12: right and Prop you know, might have hit a shot

2105
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 12: on MJ.

2106
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:08,880
Speaker 1: And he was like running.

2107
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 12: Down court, Yeah, you can't guard me with them old

2108
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:12,679
Speaker 12: ass knees.

2109
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:16,960
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, oh stop.

2110
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:18,559
Speaker 4: Time out, time out.

2111
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:20,440
Speaker 1: I was like, oh nah.

2112
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:21,080
Speaker 4: You you don't.

2113
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:22,960
Speaker 1: You don't. You don't say that to the go MJ

2114
01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:23,679
Speaker 1: was heated.

2115
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 12: I mean he was heated to the point that when

2116
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:28,720
Speaker 12: I went to my exit meeting, uh, because you know

2117
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 12: he was he was the president at the time.

2118
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:31,639
Speaker 1: I went into my exit meeting.

2119
01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 12: He was like, okay, Rip, you know your man, your buddy,

2120
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:34,960
Speaker 12: you know what I'm saying.

2121
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 10: Because he ended up.

2122
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 12: Training proft that that that he was like, oh your man,

2123
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 12: he was like, oh yeah, he ain't gonna he out.

2124
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 7: Of here, he said, But you won't be there by you.

2125
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 7: You gonna be there by yourself, you know what I'm saying.

2126
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 1: And you ain't gonna have your buddy to to co

2127
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 1: sign and.

2128
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 12: You know you're gonna be on the island by yourself.

2129
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 1: I like, look, I was like, I.

2130
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 12: Don't want no problems, bro, I don't want no problems

2131
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:02,519
Speaker 12: at all. I'm your teammate, man, But.

2132
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 1: When I know the.

2133
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:07,559
Speaker 12: Feeling, I know the feeling that it.

2134
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:13,799
Speaker 1: Right, you gotta be careful, you gotta be careful.

2135
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:16,559
Speaker 12: But when MJ came, man, I just thought it was

2136
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 12: a blessing and and uh for for me as a

2137
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:23,639
Speaker 12: basketball player, you know, because I was able to learn

2138
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 12: so much off of him. Uh, you know, it took

2139
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 12: it took my game to a whole new other level,

2140
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 12: especially even playing with him, because you got to remember,

2141
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 12: when you're playing with Michael Jordan, all the focus is

2142
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 12: going to be on Michael Jordan. I mean, traveling with

2143
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:41,280
Speaker 12: MJ is like traveling with the Beatles back in the day, right,

2144
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 12: So when when playing with him, the one thing that

2145
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 12: I learned with playing with Mike was remember, you know,

2146
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 12: back in the day, they used to call it floppy, right,

2147
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 12: you know, when two guys come down and the two

2148
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:53,680
Speaker 12: beats come down and we run them off screens. So

2149
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 12: I was like, man, screw my bigs, I'm just gonna

2150
01:38:56,200 --> 01:38:59,200
Speaker 12: run off MJ. Why because every time I run off MJ,

2151
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 12: you know, I'm saying, my man gonna go to him,

2152
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:04,439
Speaker 12: and his man ain't gonna right. So I would get

2153
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 12: wide open every time. And MJ would come to me

2154
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 12: after the game and be like, hey, Rip, I see

2155
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 12: what you're doing out there.

2156
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:10,840
Speaker 10: I see I.

2157
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 7: See what you're doing out there.

2158
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, what am I? What am I?

2159
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 10: What am I supposed to do?

2160
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 1: Man? Like shit you the goat? Like you know.

2161
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:23,160
Speaker 12: So he was he was very He was very helpful

2162
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:27,799
Speaker 12: for for my career when when I was in Washington.

2163
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 12: And another crazy story is that we just talked about

2164
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 12: Alan Houston.

2165
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:33,720
Speaker 1: Right, So Alan Houston was.

2166
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:35,240
Speaker 12: Killing me, like like I said, he killed me in

2167
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 12: my first two years, right, So when MJ came third year, now,

2168
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:40,559
Speaker 12: I feel like I'm growing up.

2169
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

2170
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:42,760
Speaker 12: I grew some hair on my chest, like I've been

2171
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:44,960
Speaker 12: through the war and the battles a little bit, so,

2172
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:47,040
Speaker 12: you know, and I got big bro, like I got

2173
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 12: the bully in the room, right, you know, I'm a

2174
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 12: little bit more confident. So we're playing against New York.

2175
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 12: We're playing against New York in Washington, and first half

2176
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 12: I go out and I give Alan Houston thirty in

2177
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 12: the first half, right, So like like I'm geeked. I'm like, Okay,

2178
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 12: all the times this motherfuckers been killing me and getting

2179
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 12: me in foul trouble. I'm in I'm in his ass

2180
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 12: right now, right, you know what I mean. So we

2181
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Speaker 12: were in that halftime, you know, we talking, coach talks

2182
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:15,799
Speaker 12: does a speech.

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Speaker 7: MJ come up to me.

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Speaker 1: He was like, hey, man, hey, young fella, you know you.

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Speaker 8: Had a great half.

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01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 12: You know, but Big Bro won't take over the second half,

2187
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:29,120
Speaker 12: so don't worry about it.

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01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 7: I got you. Bro won't take over second half.

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01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:36,479
Speaker 12: Right at the end of the game, man, And that

2190
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:41,880
Speaker 12: second half, I only had two shots in the second half,

2191
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:43,719
Speaker 12: I had thirty.

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01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 7: I think I might have ended with like thirty two.

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01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:47,439
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:50,080
Speaker 7: I was like I was at the end of the game.

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01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 12: I was like, damn, this was my perfect opportunity to

2196
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:55,639
Speaker 12: kill this dude. This dude killed me my first two years.

2197
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 12: Like you know what I'm saying. Now, I got you

2198
01:40:57,320 --> 01:40:58,639
Speaker 12: on my side. He was like, hey, man, don't worry

2199
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:00,720
Speaker 12: about it. Man, you'll get another opportunity at that. But

2200
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 12: as a young kid, you don't think that you're gonna

2201
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:05,840
Speaker 12: get another opportunity. That was your time talking moment.

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01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 7: But but big Bros, Like he tapped me on the

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01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 7: shoulder and say, hey.

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01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 8: Man, you did enough.

2205
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:11,599
Speaker 7: I was like, in my mind, I was like.

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01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:14,080
Speaker 12: Hell nah, but he was like, you know that second

2207
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:16,320
Speaker 12: half he took over. He might have scored twenty five

2208
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:17,800
Speaker 12: or twenty six and the second half and we end

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Speaker 12: up winning the game. But that that story always sticks

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01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:22,720
Speaker 12: to me because that was my opportunity to go out

2211
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 12: and get fifty.

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01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,599
Speaker 7: That's funny as hell, especially on someone that been lighting

2213
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 7: your ass.

2214
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 1: Up, Light my ass up.

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Speaker 7: Yes, welcome this show Man T two thousand and one.

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01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:34,040
Speaker 1: You signed with the Wizards. What was it like playing

2217
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:36,599
Speaker 1: with a part of Yo MJ. I didn't care.

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01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 34: He was ninety yeah, like come on, man, like get

2219
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:43,200
Speaker 34: a chance to play with m Man. It was like

2220
01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 34: it was a blessing, you know, like I said, my

2221
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:48,559
Speaker 34: career has been blessed. Like I said it just when

2222
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 34: I first song, well when he first called, initially because

2223
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 34: he was part of the front office and I heard

2224
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:55,120
Speaker 34: his voice, I'm like, man, what are you serious?

2225
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:56,080
Speaker 6: Like MJ calling me?

2226
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:59,080
Speaker 34: Like called and once you come in with the Wizards whatever,

2227
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:01,439
Speaker 34: he said, I'm thinking about coming back. You know, we

2228
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 34: didn't discuss it, you know, didn't he didn't go public

2229
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:05,559
Speaker 34: for a while. But then just when I first met

2230
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 34: him just in Awe. Man like just having a chance

2231
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:11,479
Speaker 34: to you know, see Black Jesus in person, like talk

2232
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:13,519
Speaker 34: to him, be his teammate, like I was in Awe

2233
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:15,160
Speaker 34: and my first you're playing with him, and I just

2234
01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 34: didn't I didn't know what to do, like you know

2235
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:18,720
Speaker 34: what I'm saying, Like you know, throwing to him every

2236
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 34: time and just go staying or he's like no play

2237
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:23,680
Speaker 34: like but you just get so messed by who he is.

2238
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:26,800
Speaker 34: About forty he it was forty heah was twenty points

2239
01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 34: a game at the age of forty on one leg

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Speaker 34: because his knee was messed up. And he played eighty

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01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:34,800
Speaker 34: two games at the age of forty on one leg

2242
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 34: and play all eighty two games. So I mean, I

2243
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:39,320
Speaker 34: just tell you who he is.

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01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:42,959
Speaker 1: Crazy eighty two games. That's crazy.

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01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:47,840
Speaker 7: Welcome to the show, Zach Lavine. You're playing a legendary

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01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:51,559
Speaker 7: position for a historical franchise. You're playing the two guard

2247
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:54,160
Speaker 7: for the Chicago Bulls. Have you got a chance to

2248
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:57,320
Speaker 7: ever meet Mike or talk to Mike about what you

2249
01:42:57,400 --> 01:43:00,840
Speaker 7: got going on right now? And you playing position? He

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Speaker 7: he he made very famous over there.

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01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I met I met him. I haven't talked to him,

2252
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, in alone.

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01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 28: I met him, actually my rookie year, I did a

2254
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:11,280
Speaker 28: workout for Charlotte, and uh, he walked in like early

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01:43:11,320 --> 01:43:14,240
Speaker 28: into the workout, and you know, all of us are hyped,

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01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:16,040
Speaker 28: you know, especially because he's in there, so now you're

2257
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:18,400
Speaker 28: trying to show out and went over and shook his hand.

2258
01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:20,640
Speaker 28: His hand was so goddamn big he grabbed my four arm.

2259
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:25,800
Speaker 28: So you know, that's when I met him. But you know,

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01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 28: it's it's it's crazy, man, especially the stats that you

2261
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:31,280
Speaker 28: see and you hear, And there was one that was

2262
01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 28: crazy that came out this this month because I think

2263
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:36,679
Speaker 28: I'm averaging thirty this month and I'm.

2264
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 1: Tied for the thirty first best month.

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01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 35: Crazy, right, you know, saying it is mind body, how

2266
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:48,559
Speaker 35: good this motherfucker was, Like the stats he has, it's

2267
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:52,360
Speaker 35: just like wow, that's you know, I couldn't I couldn't imagine.

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01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 1: You know, we always wish we could have played against him. Crazy,

2269
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 1: just like this. That was a bad motherfucker man. Welcome

2270
01:43:58,920 --> 01:43:59,599
Speaker 1: him to the family.

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01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:02,559
Speaker 7: To Jarosh Smith, you recently got a chance to play

2272
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:05,439
Speaker 7: thirty six with MJ. First of all, how did that happen?

2273
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 1: And then how did they.

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01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:12,080
Speaker 22: Go man So one of my one of my guys

2275
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:15,839
Speaker 22: is you know black man named So. He from Jersey.

2276
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:19,920
Speaker 22: He's an amazing painter. Actually he got a lot of

2277
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:24,960
Speaker 22: gold pieces. But he he ended up hooking me up

2278
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:28,520
Speaker 22: with a guy named David Storch out of He's from Chicago.

2279
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:33,080
Speaker 22: Just moved down here to North Palm Beach and him

2280
01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:36,640
Speaker 22: MJ's road tight. It went back, you know, back in

2281
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:42,200
Speaker 22: the Chicago days, right close, and I ended up playing

2282
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 22: We played thirty six with Mike and it was like,

2283
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:49,559
Speaker 22: I don't know, it was. It was everything that you

2284
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:50,559
Speaker 22: thought it was gonna be.

2285
01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 1: But like.

2286
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:56,719
Speaker 22: To him actually be around Mike and he talking shit

2287
01:44:57,040 --> 01:45:00,439
Speaker 22: like that shit was like Dann like he he be

2288
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 22: going there when I tell you he talking ship, He

2289
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:03,960
Speaker 22: talking ship bro.

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01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 8: And he nice though.

2291
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 7: He is he nice?

2292
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:09,519
Speaker 1: Nice?

2293
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:09,840
Speaker 8: Nice?

2294
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:13,479
Speaker 22: I want to know he nice. His short game is

2295
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:16,760
Speaker 22: like one of the pros. He I'm watching this, I'm

2296
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:17,760
Speaker 22: watching ship he's doing.

2297
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:19,560
Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, yo.

2298
01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:26,120
Speaker 22: Like making like making ship like I'm oh my god,

2299
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 22: and I'm lucky lucky for me. We we kept up beat,

2300
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:33,599
Speaker 22: like you know what I'm saying. So, but the people

2301
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 22: he betten with in the group, they like these these

2302
01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 22: like some some mean buy pots. I'm yo if I

2303
01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:53,800
Speaker 22: not for no golf, bro, Nah, I sain't that, but

2304
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,679
Speaker 22: sure though, but it was dope man, because like again,

2305
01:45:56,760 --> 01:46:00,000
Speaker 22: I like, I don't know, I just seen a global

2306
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:03,040
Speaker 22: Mike man like he you see him when he and

2307
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:06,880
Speaker 22: his element with being competitive and everything and he you know,

2308
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:10,479
Speaker 22: it's just like and I thought about when I first

2309
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:13,080
Speaker 22: seen him. I thought about the I thought about something

2310
01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:15,200
Speaker 22: Ai said, like, you know, he really got.

2311
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:17,759
Speaker 11: On Jordan's like what else he's going ahead?

2312
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:23,880
Speaker 1: Like said like this was wild. Bro, let's welcome to

2313
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 1: the show.

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01:46:24,680 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 9: Magic Johnson, what's your take on the back and forth

2315
01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 9: with Isaia and Mike right now?

2316
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:33,479
Speaker 17: I don't like it right I think they should be

2317
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:34,320
Speaker 17: done with that.

2318
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:36,040
Speaker 1: Listen, we played.

2319
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:38,479
Speaker 17: When we played, we all had to dislike each other

2320
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:41,120
Speaker 17: to win a championship. We all had to do what

2321
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 17: we had to do. But now, uh, what Michael is doing,

2322
01:46:45,960 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 17: Uh is incredible to be an owner in the NBA.

2323
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:52,840
Speaker 17: To his shoe is still number one.

2324
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:54,639
Speaker 1: I mean you can.

2325
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:58,519
Speaker 17: Put all those guys shoes sales together. They can't even

2326
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:01,759
Speaker 17: mess with Michael Jordan's ship and so and then Isaiah

2327
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:06,639
Speaker 17: is a businessman himself. Exactly all the things that he's doing.

2328
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:08,200
Speaker 10: So why why.

2329
01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:10,479
Speaker 1: Are we still living in the past.

2330
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:12,639
Speaker 7: Yes, I think only magic can fix that ship.

2331
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:18,880
Speaker 9: We're definitely gonna try, man, because they should be look.

2332
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:20,880
Speaker 1: Up to both of them. We look up to both

2333
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:21,120
Speaker 1: of them.

2334
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 17: Yeah, and they're my boys, right right, So I guess

2335
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:26,799
Speaker 17: I'm gonna have to be the one to bring.

2336
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:30,639
Speaker 9: Them together culture, because you want, we want to see

2337
01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:33,840
Speaker 9: Zeke and Mike somewhere having to drink together, man.

2338
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:42,559
Speaker 1: For the culture. There you there, you go there, yeah, h.

2339
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:58,080
Speaker 36: Mm hmmm mm hmmm.

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Speaker 1: K