1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Bold Reference and occasionally random the Sunday Hang with Playing 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: podcast It starts now. 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 2: Buck. 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 3: I know there's probably a lot of people out there 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 3: that are like, you know, how in the world can 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 3: you cover so much great on the day to day show. 7 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 3: But I was reading the Wall Street Journal this morning 8 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 3: and they had a front page article a lot of 9 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 3: different things. We've talked about DeSantis v. Trump, We've talked 10 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 3: about Elon Musk Twitter year one, the issues that Biden 11 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 3: might have on Israel. I did not expect this to 12 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 3: be on the front page of the Wall Street Journal. 13 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: Baked beans. 14 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 3: Baked beans believe Buck that they are the most underrated 15 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 3: food in America, and they are now going after an 16 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 3: audience to eat more baked beans. And I actually read 17 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 3: the article on the front page of the Wall Street Journal. 18 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 3: I thought this is crazy, And then as I was 19 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 3: reading it, I was like, you know what, I have 20 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 3: noticed that there's way more bean paraphernalia out there, bean 21 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 3: advertisements and everything else, and it brings to mind, I 22 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: think one of the most underrated things that I could 23 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 3: eat all the time, chips and salcy. 24 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: You know, salsa out there outsells. 25 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 3: Ketchup Now in America, do you know that like as 26 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 3: a as a condiment. 27 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 2: I believe it. And Modelo is a very popular beer. 28 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 3: So I think that it's almost impossible to stop eating 29 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: chips and salsa. Love them. Almost impossible to stop eating 30 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: chips and dip. Provocative thesis for you, buck, Would you agree, 31 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: by the way. 32 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: With both of those things? Like if you got like 33 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: a nice French onion dip or. 34 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: Any sour cream based dip because you call it a 35 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: dip and you don't really realize you're either eating cream, 36 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: cheese or sour cream and you're eating it like it's salsa, 37 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: but it's not. Yes, all right, So chips that you skip, 38 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: that you that you dip into. Baked beans maybe the 39 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: most underutilized move out there because everybody does salsa, everybody 40 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,639 Speaker 1: does the French onion dips or any other kind of things. 41 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: I actually agree with the Wall Street Journal's front page. 42 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: I think baked beans may be the most underrated food 43 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: that once you start mixing with other things. I'm not 44 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: talking about just eating beans by themselves, it's actually kind 45 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: of incredible. Well, I'll tell you this. I was just 46 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: in Scotland, as you know. It took a little vacation 47 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: there with Kerrie great time. I love Scotland, A big 48 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: proponent of it as a country to visit. Politics are 49 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: not good, but anyway, who knew Braveheart was fighting for 50 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: a land that would later on become basically communists. 51 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 2: But here's the thing. 52 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: They eat baked beans with breakfast all the time and 53 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: it seems weird it. Oh yeah, baked beans. That's a 54 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: big thing in the UK for breakfast, and it seems 55 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: weird until you try it. 56 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you this. I actually sign on to. 57 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: The thesis that baked beans are not getting their due 58 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: because remember, you can put lots of things that you 59 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: can put like bacon bits in there, and you know, pork, 60 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: and you. 61 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: Know, chunks of other things or whatever. So you agree 62 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: with the front page of the Wall Street Journal views. 63 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: I do baked beans. They're dense, so you know, they're 64 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: calorically dense. They have some antioxidants in them. I think 65 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: that we should start to I'll tell you this whenever 66 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: someone makes it. Whenever I was going up, my mom 67 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: would make a can of baked beans for some reason. 68 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: Usually it was to go along with something else, you know, 69 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: maybe we're having like chili or something. Tastes quite good. 70 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: You know, Brussels sprouts. People used to make fun of them, 71 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: and then they became trendy. I think we might be 72 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: at the We might be at the beginning of big 73 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,839 Speaker 1: baked beans right now, a bean renaissance. 74 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 3: You know, this is the the poor southern family food. 75 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: I remember this being a staple of my grandparents. They 76 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 3: would make beans and then you would mash it all 77 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: together with corn bread. And this thing was I don't 78 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 3: know the percentage of time that this would be a meal, 79 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: but it felt like every time I was at my grandparents' house, beans, 80 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: lime of beans in that particular situation, and and corn bread. 81 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 3: Do you ever hear that buck that it was a 82 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 3: Southern staple? Like, I'm super super trust trust all to day. 83 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: Anything they eat in the South a lot they eat 84 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: because it tastes good, So I'm into it. 85 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: They hang with Klaan Buck. 86 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about Biden's hypocrisy on Charlottesville all. 87 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: Throughout this week. 88 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: Basically since October seventh has happened, We've seen an increasing 89 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: number of people on the left who are stridently anti Israel, 90 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 3: and we talked about that at the open of the show. Today, 91 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 3: the challenge that is out there for Joe Biden in 92 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 3: terms of the far left in his community, and how 93 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,799 Speaker 3: there's a big article about it in the Times about 94 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,799 Speaker 3: how they're now rejecting Joe Biden and the pro Israel 95 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 3: policies of many traditional i'll say Democrats. But there's another 96 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 3: story about Charlottesville that I think we need to talk 97 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 3: about and deserves a decent amount of attention because of 98 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 3: the scary precedent that is being set here. So I 99 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 3: am admittedly buck a huge Civil War history nerd. I've 100 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 3: said on this show before I went in high school 101 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: to Civil War sleepaway camp at Gettysburg College. I believe 102 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: it's called the Civil War Institute. They study different aspects 103 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 3: of the Civil War during the summer. Bring in all 104 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 3: these great speakers who've written books about the Civil War. 105 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 2: If you are a Civil War. 106 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 3: Nerd, like I have been for much of my life, 107 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 3: I basically live almost on the battlefield of Franklin in Tennessee. 108 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: For those of you who are familiar with Hood's campaign 109 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 3: in eighteen sixty four, Again, this is super nerding out. 110 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 3: So I pay a lot of attention to the way 111 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 3: that we talk about the Civil War and what is 112 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 3: and is not permissible to even discuss surrounding the Civil War, 113 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 3: much less memorialized. So in Charlottesville, there was a big 114 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: iconic statue that was I think Buck, a the Oracle 115 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 3: piece of art that was of Roberty Lee. That was 116 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 3: one of the foundational elements of the Charlottesville protest. Should 117 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 3: that statue stay or go? In the wake of the 118 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 3: George Floyd Blm protests, and that was really the fullcrium 119 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 3: upon which everything Charlottesville spun. And my position on all 120 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 3: of this has been add more, if you don't like 121 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 3: a statue, then tearing down a statue or tearing down 122 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 3: a memorial, to me is exactly the wrong thing to do. 123 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 3: It's what the Taliban does, It's what the the isis 124 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 3: infidels would have done. When you don't like something and 125 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 3: you tear it down and you cease to allow it 126 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 3: to exist, you are sending a message about what you 127 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 3: believe is acceptable in terms of historical in my opinion, discourse. 128 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 3: So this video went viral yesterday. 129 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: Buck. 130 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 3: Not only did they tear down this statue, which is 131 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: a monument in many ways to the artistic creation of 132 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 3: the person who sculpted it, but they also then videoed 133 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: it being thrown into a furnace and completely obliterated. The 134 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 3: fact they took down the statue I think was wrong. 135 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 3: The fact that they then melted the statue is I 136 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 3: think doubly wrong. The fact that they videoed it buck 137 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: being melted is I think triply wrong, and was designed 138 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: to send a message about what is and what is 139 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 3: not acceptable to even discuss in American society today. 140 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: This was a major project. 141 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: This group Swords into Plowshares, it's called, had been fighting 142 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: to do this. 143 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: There were numerous. 144 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: Court you know, court battles, lawsuits over swords into plowshares, 145 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: and they had been planning to do this for a 146 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: long time. 147 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: And what you can see is that there is a. 148 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: Gleefulness in the because they have this video and there's 149 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: you can see still frames of it, a gleefulness and 150 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: really the dissection and desecration of this statue, like they 151 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: cut off the head and show you the severed head 152 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: of the statue of Robert E. 153 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: Lee before they melt it down into just sort of 154 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: bronze goo. 155 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: Yes, you know what we've generally been told, And I'm 156 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: reminded of the more recent controversy in New York City 157 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: where they have a statue of Teddy Roosevelt that was 158 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: in front of the Museum of Natural History. 159 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: Which is, by the way, an iconic statue that they 160 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: turned what was the movie they made Night at the 161 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: Museum or whatever, where like Teddy Roosevelt all everything kind 162 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 3: of comes to life and everything else, like this is 163 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 3: a very well known statue, regardless of what you think 164 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: of its auspices. 165 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: And it's gone. 166 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: And this is another moment where you realize that the 167 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: iconoclastic left here. When it comes to historical artwork or 168 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: pieces of history that they find offensive, it always starts 169 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: with a discussion of, well, maybe we can move it 170 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: somewhere else. 171 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 3: It belongs in a museum, is one of the things 172 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 3: that they said at the start. 173 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: That's what I'm I mean, that's what I'm going for, right, Like, 174 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: maybe we could just display it differently, so it's not 175 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: in a public park, it's in a museum, and in 176 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: a museum you can have the context. But the truth 177 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: is they want to do what they did here, which 178 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: is the ritualized melting down and erasure of this piece 179 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: of art because they don't, you know, because they despise 180 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: or they find it offensive that Robert E. Lee would 181 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: have a statue anywhere because of his role as the 182 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: primary general in the Confederacy. And this is where I 183 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of things to discuss just about 184 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: this clay. 185 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: Although it shows people what. 186 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: The real end goal is and what they want to do, 187 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: I don't understand how if this is now the new normal, 188 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: or if this is going to be the direction of 189 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: the country, what happens to the founding fathers? I mean, 190 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: you really have to ask that question, like what happens 191 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: the statues of the founders, many of whom were slave holders. 192 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: No, I mean, this doesn't end. 193 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 3: And this is one of the things that Trump got 194 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 3: one hundred percent right, even though his his statements surrounding 195 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 3: Charlottesville were horribly mischaracterized, and and and again. 196 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: Biden, they knew right, they lied about it. 197 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Biden cited those lies as his justification for 198 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 3: why he needed to run for president. So to your point, 199 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 3: you're talking about New York City, Theodore Roosevelt, didn't they 200 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: just take Thomas Jefferson out of the New York City 201 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 3: statuary where the municipal council or somebody like that. 202 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: The council, Yeah, there's a statue of Jefferson. 203 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: And they said this is unacceptable now. And at some point, 204 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 3: and you guys are going to some of you are 205 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 3: going to think I'm crazy. Others of you are going 206 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 3: to say, you know what, No, he's a hundred percent right. 207 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 3: At some point there will be again a rising up 208 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: and a demand, Hey, we got to tear down the 209 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 3: Washington monument. 210 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 2: He owned slaves. 211 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: We have to destroy the Jefferson memorial. He he owned 212 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 3: slaves too. And let me I write about this in 213 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 3: the book, because I spend a lot of time thinking 214 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 3: about this as the history nerd, as someone who really 215 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 3: legitimately likes to geek out reading about the Civil War, 216 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 3: because I think it is so integral to understanding America, 217 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 3: is to understand what actually happened in the Civil War 218 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 3: and who the individuals involved were on both north and South. 219 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 3: And look, I've even done the research. 220 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: Buck. 221 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 3: My family is from obviously Tennessee and Kentucky, which by 222 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 3: and large are states that would have a lot of 223 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 3: soldiers who fought on both sides. Kentucky in particular, I've 224 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 3: got Union and Confederate soldiers in my family history. So 225 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: I feel like I can, you know, kind of look 226 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 3: at it from both perspectives, because Kentucky was a border 227 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 3: state in particular where much of my Travis family is from, 228 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: and people from that family fought on both sides, north 229 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 3: and south, depending on oftentimes what city they were in, 230 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 3: what county they were in. I mean, the line was 231 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 3: very tenuous in so many parts of the country about 232 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 3: which side you fought on. And by the way, people 233 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 3: don't understand this today because people have, as we've talked 234 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 3: about on this show, almost no historical literacy. But ninety 235 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 3: nine point nine percent of people fought for their state. 236 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: So it's not as if people were making like if 237 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: you lived in you know, southern Mississippi, you weren't sitting 238 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 3: around debating what decision you were going to make. You 239 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 3: went with your state, and if you grew up in 240 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 3: northern Minnesota, you went with the state of Minnesota. It 241 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 3: was actually considered to be a stain on your soul 242 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: in that era if you turned your back on your state, 243 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: which was a lot more like your country than it 244 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 3: was anything else, because a lot of people never left 245 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 3: the state they were born in. In those areas. 246 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: The formation of our Union was by states that voluntarily 247 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: voluntarily became the United States of America. And of course 248 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: the basis for the country was the separation or in 249 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: a sense, the secession from Great Britain and King George 250 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 1: because of tyranny. Right, So there was a there's a 251 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: different historical context and certainly a different historical thinking. That's 252 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: not to say that slavery wasn't obviously front and center 253 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: in the in the debate about all this stuff, but 254 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: there were people who fought. I mean, I think, what's 255 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: the statleay, I think it's three percent of Southerner's own 256 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: ninety seven percent of the of the slaves. 257 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right. 258 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 3: I mean a time about one in fifty Confederate soldiers 259 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 3: actually owned slaves. I mean as a way to like 260 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 3: two percent basically. 261 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: And I guess there's there's this question of what is 262 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: now an acceptable depiction of anybody who had any part 263 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: of the Confederacy. And the answer is, right now, based 264 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: on the on the trends and the way that the 265 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: left and political correctness are going in Democrat Party and 266 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: some Republicans too, is uh, it does not. It really 267 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: is to be treated the same way that Nazi memorabilia 268 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: is that's effectively the standard. And again I sit here 269 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: and I say, I don't know where this ends, and 270 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 1: I don't think. Well, rather, I think I know where 271 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: they want to take it. I know that it doesn't 272 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: end with the Confederacy. 273 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 2: That's right. 274 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 3: And one of the things, you know, I mentioned that 275 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 3: I live in Franklin, Tennessee, and I wrote about this 276 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 3: in American Playbook because I spent a lot of time 277 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: thinking about this. In the wake of all of this 278 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 3: craziness to tear down monuments and statues and everything else. 279 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 3: They added buck So we have in downtown Franklin. It 280 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 3: was a beautiful downtown. Just we're twenty miles south of 281 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 3: Nashville or so. For people who don't understand the geography, 282 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: there is a Confederate memorial statue, which is not uncommon 283 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 3: in many different southern small towns. They have a variety 284 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 3: of the monuments and memorials, and one of them is 285 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 3: to and I mentioned we actually had a battle here, 286 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 3: but they have a Confederate soldier standing in the town square, 287 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: and there were controversies about that. It's been since there 288 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 3: since eighteen ninety I think, so, I mean, this is 289 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 3: a relic, I would say historical object. At this point, 290 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 3: they added a big statue buck of a to honor 291 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 3: black soldiers who were freed and fought for the North. 292 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: So I just and it's right on the square as well. 293 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: And I think that was uniquely intelligent, because what really 294 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 3: you're arguing when you tear down things is that there 295 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: isn't there isn't an opportunity for greater historical context. And 296 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 3: my argument is someone who majored in history is I 297 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 3: would always want more history instead of less. Instead of 298 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 3: arguing about what can exist, why don't we create more? 299 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 3: And so to me, when you're saying, oh, we've got 300 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 3: to tear down this, I would much rather create a 301 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 3: world where we're building more historical representation and also where 302 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 3: the world. 303 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: In the country, and certainly kids in this country are 304 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: more historically literate. 305 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: I mean we have I think Buck, one of the 306 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 3: biggest issues we have is we have created goldfish generations 307 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: where they can only recognize and remember things that happen 308 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: in a very short period of time, and as a result, 309 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 3: you respond emotionally to everything and you lack the appropriate 310 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 3: context to consider it. And one of the things that's 311 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 3: frustrating to me about history right now, how often do 312 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 3: you see those knuckleheads on MSNBC talking about We've talked 313 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 3: about this, Buck, Hey, if Trump wins this election, American 314 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 3: democracy is over and they just totally forget everything that's 315 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 3: happened before. So I think this is the wrong precedent 316 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 3: to be seen. 317 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: History gives you an incredible context for understanding how durable 318 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: this country has actually been, but that doesn't get viewers 319 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: and clicks on MSNBC. Trump ending democracy is a much 320 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: better business play for them. 321 00:16:54,600 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 2: Sundays with Clay and Buck. This happens every now and then. 322 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: I'm sure you've seen it happen too. 323 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 3: Sometimes things that you said months ago or even years 324 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 3: ago will cycle back up. I saw where it was 325 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 3: that Emily Blunt had to apologize crazily enough for saying 326 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 3: that like she had a fat waitress at Applebee's or 327 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 3: something like a decade ago Chili's. Maybe it was, and 328 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 3: so things will cycle back up. So back in February, 329 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 3: there was an article up and I had talked about 330 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 3: the fact that ESPN was desperately trying to make the 331 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 3: WNBA a thing by overcovering the WNBA relative to other sports, 332 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 3: and I said something that I think is one hundred 333 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 3: percent true. I said, back in February, a good boys 334 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 3: high school state champion team would beat the WNBA champion. 335 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: This is the women's basketball best team in the WNBA 336 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 3: WNBA system for like twenty five years, still hasn't made 337 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 3: a profit, and women have also said, oh, we should 338 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 3: be getting paid a lot more. This certainly became a 339 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 3: big story. Buck if you remember with Britney Griner, Oh, 340 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 3: why Britney Griner have to go to Russia because she 341 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 3: didn't make enough money in the United States. Well, because 342 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 3: most people don't care, right and so, I mean that's 343 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 3: just the truth. You know, if you ask the average 344 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 3: person listening to us right now, you could have five 345 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 3: dollars in cash, or your WNBA team could win a 346 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 3: championship in the state city that you live in. Most 347 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 3: people would rather have five dollars in cash. 348 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: I cannot name I could not name the WNBA AWNBA 349 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: WNBA team in the state of Florida. I can't name 350 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: one right now. 351 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 3: I don't know that I could. I also, I'm assuming 352 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,239 Speaker 3: there's one in Miami and has something to do with 353 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 3: it being warm, much like the heat do. But I 354 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 3: legitimately don't know. So I said something that I've been 355 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 3: saying for years, which is a boys high school state 356 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 3: champion team would be able to beat the WNBA champion. 357 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 3: And so then this thing went viral and U and 358 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 3: so one of the members evidently, the Las Vegas Aces 359 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 3: are your current defending WNBA champs, and so Buck, one 360 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 3: of the Las Vegas Aces, called my opinion. She said, 361 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 3: I was a dumb ass for having the opinion that 362 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: a boys' high school team a state championship caliber team. 363 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 3: And I said, like in a decent sized state right 364 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 3: where there's lots of kids, I was, you know, limiting 365 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 3: Rhode Island or Wyoming or you know, North Dakota, like 366 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 3: places where there aren't that many you know, kids that 367 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: would be playing in general. And so she called me 368 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 3: a dumbass. And so I didn't see this until Friday. 369 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 3: We had finished the show by then. But I just said, okay, like, 370 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 3: let's make this a thing. I tweeted back to her 371 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 3: and I said, straight up, one million dollar bet. I 372 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 3: will put a million dollars down that I can pick 373 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 3: a state champion boys team this twenty twenty four year 374 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 3: and they will play against you. The Las Vegas Aces. 375 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 3: If I'm wrong, your teammates all get a million dollars 376 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 3: to spread amongst yourselves of my money. If I'm right, however, 377 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,239 Speaker 3: and the boys team that I pick wins, you and 378 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 3: your team or the WNBA or whoever wants to fund 379 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 3: a million dollar bet would have to give me a 380 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 3: million dollars, and then I would give the million that 381 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 3: I won to all of the high school boys on 382 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 3: that team. We have requested comment from the Las Vegas 383 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: Aces and the WNBA buck They've all turn and run 384 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 3: in the opposite direction. There's a massive amount of interest. 385 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: Would you watch you? I bet you've never seen a 386 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 3: WNBA game in. 387 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 2: Your life, That is correct. 388 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 3: If I had a million dollars down on a high 389 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 3: school boys team against the WNBA, would you watch that game? 390 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 2: Yes? 391 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: And I but I would say the only challenge is 392 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: anybody who actually understand and has played sports at any 393 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: kind of a level with no that the I mean, 394 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: if you took like the champion high school players from 395 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: New York, California, New Jersey, you know, Illinois, you know 396 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: like I mean, I think you could. I think Tennessee 397 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: we would beat them where I like ye, they would 398 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: beat them, and it would not be closed, correct, that 399 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: would be a massacre. 400 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 2: That's the part of it. 401 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: That And and I guess you know some people are 402 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: gonna say, oh, Clay, like why you know now you're 403 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: making people Well, the point is that there's a reason, 404 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: right that men and women's sports are different. 405 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 3: That's one part of this. And she called me a 406 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 3: dumb ass. It wasn't like I sought out the way. 407 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 3: I didn't know who won the w NBA championship until 408 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 3: she called me a dumb ass. And her called me 409 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 3: a dumb ass and went viral. I was like, okay, 410 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 3: I'll put my money where my mouth is, Like I'm 411 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 3: confident on this. 412 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's it's a simple reality, and 413 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: and that people shouldn't feel upset by the simple reality. 414 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: But we live in this era with the intentional not 415 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: just blurring, but really erasure of gender as as a thing. 416 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: And it's really important for civilization, for society to understand 417 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: the role that gender plays, that sex plays, uh, you know, male, female, 418 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: et cetera, and all of this. And there's no like, 419 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: there's no shame in saying that a you know, a 420 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: top like men's college tennis player would beat the best 421 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: female you know, pro players in the world pretty easily. 422 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: There's no shame in that because it's a guy against girls. No, 423 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: no one should be offended by this, Like you know, 424 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: no one should be Offendedive Clay, have you said, I'm 425 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: pretty sure that you you could probably beat any twelve 426 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: year old basketball player one on one in the entire country, Like, 427 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: there's no shame for that. 428 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 3: Twelve hopefully, hopefully I could, but I I might. 429 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: There might be maybe ten, maybe ten, But I'm just saying, 430 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: you know, you'd have to box out. 431 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 2: You know, you'd have to you know, go old. 432 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 3: There's there's some like six five twelve year olds out 433 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 3: there that are just freakishly, freakishly large. But the point 434 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 3: on this is, yeah, there's and this is what I 435 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 3: saw coming from the world of sports. Buck you were 436 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 3: talking early, You're about authenticity. There is so much line. 437 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 3: Do you remember when John mcenderroe got crushed for saying 438 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 3: Serena would be a like the seven hundredth the best 439 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 3: men's player in the world in. 440 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 2: Tennis, And he was right, she would be like the seven. 441 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 3: Thousandth or seventeen thousandth the best men Like I talked 442 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 3: to a lot of pro tennis players. 443 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 2: They all said. 444 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 3: Serena would lose to every good men's major college tennis player. 445 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 3: Doesn't take away from her being a great women's tennis player. 446 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 3: But the interviewer of John McEnroe was like, why wouldn't 447 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 3: you say that's the prayer with this? Why wouldn't you 448 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 3: say he said she's the best women's tennis player of 449 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 3: all time. She said, why wouldn't you say she's the 450 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 3: best tennis player of all time? He was like, well, 451 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 3: because she would get her ass kicked basically by lots 452 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 3: of dudes. 453 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: I remember someone a long time ago, and I was 454 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: doing the show in my own class. I said, you know, 455 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: I don't know, I think we're talking about this like 456 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: in sports and how there was that male to female 457 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: transition or whatever. M a fighter And I had said, 458 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: you know, look, most most women like I'm just some 459 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: guy who sits at a desk and does radio. But like, 460 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: if you put it, I mean, I weigh I don't 461 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: want to say how much of weight right now, but 462 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: I weigh over two hundred pounds. Yeah, and you know 463 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,479 Speaker 1: you put me in there with like one hundred and 464 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: thirty pound female, like you know, even with very minimal training, 465 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: et cetera. Everyone's like, no, it's not true, like they're 466 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: jiu jitsu moves. I'm like, guys, size, strength, speed, these 467 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: things all matter a lot between men and women. I'm 468 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: talking about now, guy. 469 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 3: Would just weigh classes, Like if you put a two 470 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 3: hundred pounds, you know, Mike Tyson would murder a flyweight 471 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 3: boxer like two men, right, And so all of this, 472 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 3: there's this idea that gender doesn't matter, right, that men 473 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 3: and women are the exact same. Look, there are some 474 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 3: women who are bigger, stronger, and faster than some men, 475 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 3: but at elite levels of athleticism, the best male athletes 476 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 3: dominate the best women athletes. Now that's why on this 477 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 3: program we have been so straightforward and honest. And I 478 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 3: give credit to Riley Gaines, who was an OutKick employee, 479 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 3: was at the Halloween party this weekend with by the way, 480 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 3: her husband Louis. Do you know what louis Halloween costume was? 481 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 2: Buck? 482 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: He went as Leah Thomas. That is really a funny. 483 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: I thought maybe like X Y chromosome or something to 484 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: make Yeah. 485 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be that would be great. 486 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 3: But but the idea that you're going to allow a 487 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: grown ass man to like even the concept of this 488 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 3: buck SNL would have been doing skits. We were talking 489 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 3: about SNL earlier because Nate Pariatsi guest hosted and he's 490 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: a friend of mine. But the idea that we have 491 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 3: created a world where a grown ass man can swim 492 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 3: for a men's team and then just decide he's a 493 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 3: chick and become a women's champion is so bonkers, banana 494 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 3: Land insanity riddled crazy that I don't think a lot 495 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 3: of people out there can even comprehend that we're here. 496 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: Well, that was why I and this was many years ago, 497 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: but I talked about the transgender mma thing because to 498 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: me and now you're actually almost endorsing violence and severe 499 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: injury for women because of some bizarre cultural fashion of transgenderism, right, 500 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: or the notion because it's one thing for someone to lose, 501 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, a tennis match, it's another thing for someone 502 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: to be in the octagon and he's taking elbows and 503 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: punches and you know, be getting beaten senseless, And the 504 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: notion that any now, I believe Dana White right has 505 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: already said absolutely not, like he is opposed to two 506 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: men fighting women to men fighting women. But there was 507 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 1: a time there where that the the transactivists were trying 508 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: to push for this because I remember, as we say this, 509 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: it always strikes people as like come on, but it 510 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: is the truth. The position of the transactivists in our country, 511 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: in our society, and really of the mainstream Democrat party 512 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: now is not that trans women deserve, you know, respect 513 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: and dignity, et cetera. It's trans women or women indifferent 514 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: from women in all respects, which is just not true. 515 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 3: And circling back to the million that I put on 516 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 3: the line the WNBA and the Las Vegas aces won't 517 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 3: respond to. That would be if they had agreed to 518 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 3: do it. Buck the most watched WNBA game of all time. 519 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I think we had a bunch of people 520 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 3: responding like I'd want courtside seats, Like I think it 521 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 3: would turn into a modern day battle of the sexes, 522 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 3: and I do think it would be emblematic. Remember the 523 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 3: US women's soccer team before they went super woke and 524 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 3: Megan rapinoed themselves and all those things, they got beat 525 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 3: by fifteen year old boys in Dallas, Texas five to two. 526 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 3: That was the Women's World Cup champion in twenty nineteen, 527 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 3: going up not against the best fifteen year old boys 528 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 3: in the world, but just the best fifteen year old 529 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 3: boys in Dallas, Texas. They got whipped. And one of 530 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 3: the stats that's out there, every state champion at I 531 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 3: think three A in Texas in track and field beat 532 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 3: the fastest women's sprinters in the history of the Olympics 533 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 3: to win boys state championships in Texas. 534 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: How many employees at ESPN right now would would share 535 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: anything that you just said. Zero, Yep, the Sports Network everybody. 536 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 3: I don't think there's a single person to your point 537 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 3: at ESPN that would say that entire paragraph I just said, 538 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 3: which is all indisputably true. One hundred The. 539 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 2: Truth is no is no defense. Apparently it's different than 540 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: we had thought previously.