1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ? Buck 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 2: with you? Buck? How are you doing? Man? 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Man? I'm good, DJ, And I'm good because I know 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: we're going to have a great episode. I know we're 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: going to talk about drafting the contenders, the teams that 7 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: we think are legit when it comes to having a 8 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: chance to go the distance. But I need to pick 9 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: your brain a little bit because I have all these 10 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: conversations obviously your tie with the Chargers. 11 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 3: My time with the Jaguars. 12 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: Sometimes you get into these discussions, sometimes with co workers, 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: sometimes with fans about what's going on, what can you do? 14 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 3: And one of the questions that has kind of come 15 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 3: up to. 16 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: Me has been, can you be a team that drafts 17 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: quote unquote good guys, good character guys, But can you 18 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: comprise that same team with enough dogs to compete at 19 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: a high level. So what I want to lean into 20 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: you and have a conversation like we would if we 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: were in the room talk about dogs, and we talk 22 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: about like those high level competitors when we're on school 23 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: calls and when we're looking at the process, the pre 24 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: draft process. How can we determine the guys that are 25 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: dogs versus the guys that are super talented. 26 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 3: But they may not have that that dog. 27 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: Persona that you need, that you have to have to 28 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: be able to get to the next level. 29 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: Well, there's that old line from Tony LaRussa. Right, when 30 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 2: your best players are your best leaders and your best workers, 31 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: you've got something special, right, that's the that's the ultimate goal, 32 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: because you can you don't. We won't put them in 33 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: two camps of like, here's the high character you know, 34 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 2: good dudes, and then here's the ultimate warrior. Maybe maybe 35 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: some character flaws there, but there's some dog in those guys, 36 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: like you, you know, I think you can have your 37 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: cake and eat it too. Those guys are few and 38 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: far between. They're hard to find, the guys that have 39 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: all those things. 40 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 3: Workings of the world. 41 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,559 Speaker 2: Oh, John Lynch was the one that came to mind, 42 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: you knowbody like that. Yeah, So there's there are guys. 43 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: I mean, Derek Brooks is another one. I mean, just 44 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: thinking off of that one, that one team, but that 45 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: I think the uh, the common thread. Right, if we're 46 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: going to say the great teams, they will have that 47 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: competitive nature to them. That's the common thread. Now some 48 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 2: of the stuff, you might have a little bit a 49 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: little bit more buttoned up player and then maybe someone 50 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: who's maybe had some transgressions or made some mistakes. But 51 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 2: if they don't share that that trait, I don't think 52 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: you have a good team. I think you have to 53 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: collect as many of those guys as you can. Now, 54 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 2: the harder question that you asked is how do you 55 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: find that out about guys. There's a lot of different 56 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: ways you can do it. I think some simple things 57 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: who are the guys that who are the guys that 58 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: watch the most tape at or away from the facility? 59 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: And there's ways to get that information. Now, I mean 60 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: you can trust out there, you can track it on 61 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: your high school team. You can how much kids? How 62 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: much your kids watching huddle? Yeah, So you can start 63 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: there by developing relationships with video guys and different things 64 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: like who's watching the most. Okay, let's that's a that's 65 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 2: a good one. Who's when you go out to practice, 66 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: who's the front of the line, who's leading drills, Who's 67 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: who's bringing energy and life to a practice, especially in 68 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: the middle of the season of mundane you know, Wednesday 69 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: practice who's out there, Who's who's bouncing around and has 70 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: some life to him? Who's holding other guys accountable? From 71 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: that standpoint, I think going in there and uh, I'm not. 72 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: I think the worst question in scouting are the one 73 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: to ten, one to ten? How would you rate him 74 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: as a worker? Like no, no, no, no, this guy? What time 75 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: does he come in? How long is he stay? What 76 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: does he do? What does he do? Beyond that? And 77 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: you can talk to him, you can talk to his teammates. 78 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: What do you like? Everybody has the same schedule. I 79 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: don't care about that. Tell me outside of that schedule 80 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: what you're doing and how you're preparing And because buck, 81 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: I think to boil it all down, like where is 82 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: its importance at for you? 83 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: Like? 84 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: How important is this to you? That tells you if 85 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: you got to it's. 86 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: Funny because you took me to where my mind goes is. 87 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: I think it's as simple as like it or love it? 88 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: Do you like it or do you love it? Because 89 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: if you like it, you may clock in and do 90 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: bankers hours. Hey, I come in at eight, I'll leave 91 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: it five. If you love it, you're coming in early 92 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: and you're staying late and you're obsessed with it. You're 93 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: obsessed with different parts of it. That leads you to 94 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: get to the facility early, That leads you to watch 95 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: even more tape when you get home, because there's a 96 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: level of pride in your performance that you take that 97 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: you have to be the most prepared in it. Now 98 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: everyone and I would say this, like the Detroit Lions 99 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: of kind of look they talked about grit, right, that's 100 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: kind of the moniker that they always talk about. Angela 101 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: Duckworth talks about grit is the combination of passion and perseverance. 102 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 3: So how much do I love it? How much does 103 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 3: it mean to me? 104 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: How much do I love it enough to go through 105 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: the setbacks that I have to go through to get 106 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: on the other side. 107 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 3: To me, DJ, I'm. 108 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: Looking for guys that love it, and it's not you 109 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: telling me like we all have done those baked those 110 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: canned interviews with the players. 111 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: Yeah you love football or whatever. 112 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: No, no, no, show me how much you love it by 113 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: me being able to not only ask people what you 114 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: do around the facility, me being able to document how 115 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: much you're in the game, but me also seeing you 116 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: display that energy and enthusiasm about the game, in practice, 117 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: in film, in games, you can just sense those guys 118 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: that are I would say culture changers because when they're 119 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: on the field, like you feel them. We've all been 120 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: around those guys that did it. You were in Baltimore, 121 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: so you saw Ray Lewis and Ed Reied and what 122 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: they brought every day to the tape and how they 123 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: made everybody else respond to me, I think when we're 124 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 1: talking about the draft process and we're talking about building 125 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: a team, man, having the love it guys is probably 126 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: more important than the most having the most talented guys. 127 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: Where do you stand on recall? Because I know, you 128 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: know we always tell the story about Mahomes with recall, 129 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: But I always say, like you think about when you're 130 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: growing up and you go to Disneyland and your parents 131 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 2: will say you remember this day the rest of your life. Well, 132 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: why will you remember it the rest of your life? 133 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: Because it was important, It was important, and it's burned memory. 134 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: So if you're talking to players, the more specific they 135 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: can get. I can go back, Hey, week three, you 136 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: were playing this team. I don't care what position you are, 137 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 2: and you can tell me a lot of specifics, a 138 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: lot of information about that game. You know why because 139 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 2: you studied a ton before that game. You were in 140 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 2: the moment and took everything in and were aware and 141 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: concentrate and focused during the game, and then after the 142 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 2: game you went back and watched it and studied it 143 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: and learn from your mistakes. So like you maintain all 144 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 2: this is not like scramming for a test that's in 145 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: and out. Like, that's not the people that you want. 146 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: You want the people that have a little bit of 147 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: an obsession with this thing and both their preparation, their 148 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: focus and then learning from those games. That's why I 149 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: think those guys that have recall and can tell specific 150 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 2: instances about you know, what coverage we were in, or 151 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: what formation they were lined up in, or what this 152 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: guy said or what the coach told me in between 153 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: plays in the third series of the second Like, I 154 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: think that shows you that it matters to them. 155 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: I think, and we keep referencing Luke Keigley, And the 156 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: reason why I referenced him is because I think our 157 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: conversation with Luke Keigley are so fascinating. And it's not 158 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: fascinating in terms of just the knowledge that he shares, 159 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: but it is the recall, it is the attention to 160 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: detail with which he shares that information DJ. To me, 161 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: that's kind of like the standard because the great ones 162 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: that we've been around they have that. 163 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: You think about our casual conversations. 164 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes is always one that we referenced when he 165 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: came into the studio and he's able to recall the 166 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: game versus k State where you asked him about hey man, 167 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: this play that happened, and to think and how he 168 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: could just dial it up and give you that information. 169 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 3: To me, that's what it's about. 170 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: It is going above and beyond the normal expectations of 171 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: a player to be able to outline detail, articulate, follow up, 172 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: give feedback, take feedback. Those are the things that matter, 173 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: and the teams that have the advantage in the scouting 174 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: world are the ones who are willing to do a 175 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: little extra to make sure their guys have it. We've 176 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: talked other things, probably about the advantages that you now 177 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: have with Zoom and how you can interview guys far 178 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: more than you could back in the day when we 179 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: were doing it and it was just face to face 180 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: and the train station and the combine and those things. 181 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: You now can periodically check in on guys to know 182 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: how much they really know, and you never know until 183 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: you get someone in the building, but you can tell 184 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: by the preparation process and how they take everything seriously 185 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: or whatever. 186 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: So that's a. 187 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: Question that has kind of come up to me and 188 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: sometimes like, yeah, I can stand on the thing, but 189 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: I like to have these conversations so the aspiring scouts 190 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: that we have listening to the thing, they can think 191 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: a little deeper about the process and the types of 192 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: guys that you want, because it goes is beyond the 193 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: traits and the talent. A lot of times, it's it's 194 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: a nasty that people show when it comes to being 195 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: able to get to the next level. 196 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: It's funny. That's why I like to go back and 197 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: read reports. And you know, since crossed over into the media, 198 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 2: this will be I think this will be my thirteenth 199 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: draft coming up maybe uh oh wow, yeah, here you've 200 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: been here a couple of years. 201 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 3: Long, twin so fifteen going on to sixteen. 202 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is my on this side of things. 203 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: So when I've gone to this side, I just put 204 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 2: out a top one fifty players. I keep my notes 205 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: on four hundred players inside an Excel sheet, but I 206 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: write a summary on just the top fifty. So but 207 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: fifty is a good sample size to go back over 208 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: thirteen years. And we've done it with hits and missus before, 209 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: or I've gone through in red old reports. 210 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 3: Buck. 211 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: It is very rare for me to read a report 212 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: and have the physical ability change on a player, very rare. 213 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: And I'll say, Okay, gosh, this guy was my forty 214 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: ninth player the physical stuff, man, but he's ended up 215 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: being he he should have been the first player in 216 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: the draft. I'm like, yeah, but if you read the 217 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: physical stuff, like, there's not much has changed from the 218 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,119 Speaker 2: physical I didn't know this guy was a psycho competitor. 219 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: I didn't know this guy was going to you know, 220 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: dial in his nutrition and change his body, you know, 221 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: from from how he was in Cowage to what he 222 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: is now. Like, those are the things. There's those variables 223 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: that and that's that's what All these guys are talented, 224 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: All these guys that come in every year, the top 225 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 2: first round guys, they're all talented, but fifty percent of 226 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: them hit, and you know, twenty five percent of them 227 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 2: are okay, and twenty five percent of them wash out. 228 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: Why is that? It ain't because of the ability that 229 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: we're watching on tape. That's not it. 230 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: Nah. This level, everyone's talented and you have a pool 231 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: of players that are all similar when it comes to 232 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: physical traits. The thing that separates them is the mental. Uh. 233 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 3: And then I would say like the heart, and like 234 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 3: heart is like kind of cliche when people talk about that, 235 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 3: but it really is to grind is their willingness to 236 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 3: do anything and everything in the pursuit of something that 237 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: they love, which is loving the game, but more importantly 238 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: loving being one that is different than everybody else playing 239 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: the game. Meaning they want to be elite in some way, 240 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 3: shape or form with their performance, so they're willing to 241 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 3: go above and beyond to get that done. 242 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think it's it's that's what scouting is, man. 243 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: I think again, you can give a computer to anybody 244 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 2: and give them access to the video, and I think 245 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: most people will see similar things in players and be 246 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: able to project similarly. But the other stuff that you 247 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: find out at a long time that that that's what 248 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 2: the deciding factor is and that goes a long way 249 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: and determine in their success. 250 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 3: So now let's get to the show. Let's talk about 251 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 3: some of the stuff. Did you want to talk about. 252 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 2: No, I love that. I love that. Well, let's take 253 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 2: a quick break. We'll come back and we'll get into 254 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: a little draft, or we'll draft the contenders in the league. 255 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 2: We'll do that right for this, all right, Buck, So 256 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: we've got to get two of each. Right, two AFC, 257 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: two NFC will each get four contenders, will do a draft. 258 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: I was willing to give you the first pick, but 259 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: you were proactive. You're the bigger man. You came in 260 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: and said I get the first pick. So, as someone 261 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 2: who has the first pick and you're going to draft contenders, Buck, 262 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 2: there are exactly two five and oh teams, two undefeated teams, 263 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 2: one of which just happens to win the Super Bowl 264 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 2: every year. So I think I'll go there. I'll take 265 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 2: the Kansas City chief first pick. 266 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: So your believer, no matter what goes on, you. 267 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 2: Believe they just win games. I mean, I've saw it 268 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: in personally. It's not aesthetically pleasing. It's not the high 269 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: flying high wire act that was fun to watch in 270 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: years past. But winners win, you know, and. 271 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 3: There is something to that. 272 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: So what's funny about the Kansas City Chiefs Everything that 273 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: they said when they won their first Super Bowl has 274 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: come to fruition, but it's come to fruition in a 275 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: different way than we anticipated it. After they won that 276 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: first one, they talked about a dynasty and how this 277 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: was going to be a dynastic franchise because of what 278 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: they had on offense, Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce and 279 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: throwing it over the yard. They lose the next year. 280 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: They didn't eventually make a move where they get rid 281 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: of Tyreek Hill. 282 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: But now they come back and went back to. 283 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: Back and they've created a dynasty because they won three 284 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: in a short period. They have the opportunity, it looks like, 285 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: to have a three peat maybe, So they are the dynasty. 286 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: And the thing that is a common occurrence for dynasties 287 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: is they do whatever is necessary to win. And this 288 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: is the team that knows how to do whatever is 289 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: necessary to win games. Whether it's the offense need to 290 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: play with Pat Mahomes extending plays, whether it's the defense 291 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: coming up with plays either through their personnel, Chris Jones 292 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: and Trent McDuffie making place or Steevezpacnulo dialling up something 293 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: exotic in the fourth quarter and a guy to have 294 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 1: a situation to get off the field. They know how 295 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: to do it, so I can't really dispute them being 296 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: number one. So they should go to the top of 297 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: the list. So I'm good with that. So my team 298 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: is gonna be one that we've talked about, and we've 299 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: talked about this team because they kind of embody the 300 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: city that they play in and that's Detroit. And we 301 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: talked about the primetime window and why the Detroit Lions 302 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: are going to be at throwing in the side for 303 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: some NFC teams for a while. 304 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 3: They'll build the right way. 305 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: DJ A lot of times when we think of teams, 306 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: we talk about the quarterback first or whatever, and I'm say, 307 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: Jerry Goff is a perfect quarterback for this team. But 308 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: when I look at this team, offensive line might be 309 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: the best in football. They can beat you up. They 310 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: can play a smash mouth style of play. That look 311 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: the flashy stuff that they do on the perimeter, the 312 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: AMA Saint Brown and Jamison Williams. 313 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 3: That stuff catches the tension. But at the end of the. 314 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: Day, when they want to win, they gonna line up 315 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: and they're gonna run the football behind that offensive line 316 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: and two running backs that are really good and Dave. 317 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 3: Montgomery and Jimier Gibbs. They can protect the quarterback. 318 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: And then defensive granted Dan Campbell for hanging with Aaron Glenn. 319 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn has kind of figured it out how to 320 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: play that defense. They're hurt this year by the loss 321 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: of Aiden Hutchinson. That really hurt him because if he's there, 322 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: I think he's a no brainer, and I think maybe 323 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: you debate the number one thing. But even without Aiden Hutchinson, man, 324 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: this team is good enough to go to distance. And 325 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: I would say this, they should have went the distance 326 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: last year because they had all right there, right there. 327 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: But the Detroit Lines my first fit. 328 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: Trust me, as a pottery fan, I know about having 329 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: somebody on the ropes and not being able to finish it. 330 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 331 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: Sometimes, like as a boxing fan, I would say, maybe 332 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: that was that was the rope of dope. 333 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 2: That was the dope. 334 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna make sure DJ, We're gonna get you 335 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: one of those replica rings, one of those replica rings 336 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: that sometimes season ticket holders get. 337 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: We will send one down there to you. I've already 338 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: given up on the Mets. I'm going with the Yankees now. 339 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: Michael Fabiano, I need the Yankees to win that thing. Uh, 340 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: that's just terrible, all right. Look, I I love Detroit. 341 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: That injury is a tough injury for them. I was debating, 342 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: I'll be honest with I was debating between two teams 343 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: with this next pick, Houston and Baltimore. That was where 344 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: I was going to go. And I'm thinking Baltimore a 345 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: little more experienced, Lamar a little more accomplished. But I'm 346 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: telling you, Bucket, and I'll tell you what my pick, 347 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: and then I'll ask you the question. I'm taking Houston. 348 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: Which defense you trust more? Between Houston and Baltimore, which 349 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: sounds weird with Baltimore's long tradition of defense. I trust 350 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: Houston more as a more complete team right now defensively 351 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: than Baltimore. 352 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 3: I can see that. 353 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: And the reason why I can see that is because, look, 354 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: Dimiko Ryans finds a way to get it done, and 355 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: they have a talented defense. 356 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 3: They've upgraded the defense. 357 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: You thinking about Danil Hunter coming over joining Will Anderson, 358 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: Derek Stingle, He's one of the best corners in football. 359 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: I mean, they have a lot of intriguing pieces to 360 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: the puzzle, and he keeps the energy up as they're 361 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: kind of going through. You know, the thing that I 362 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: would say is I worry about their offensive line. I 363 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: worry about their offensive line being able to help them 364 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: get it done in the end because they've had some injuries. 365 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: They haven't had the greatest play from their front line unit, 366 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: and I think it has impacted now, it has impacted 367 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: the way the CJ. Stroud performs. That's it, man, They're 368 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: really good. They're in the mix. I can see them. 369 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 3: I see them making making the play, making a push. 370 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: You're up what you got for your second pick? 371 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 3: DJ like, So this is this is tough, right. 372 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: So the the the logical person wants to say, Hey, 373 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens, I'm gonna take them, Lamar Jackson, Derrick 374 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: Henry all that they're running game, they're doing that. The 375 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: concerns about the defense are one and are valid, zachly 376 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: where I know Dan Pieces coming over to help them. 377 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: I just worry about them in the postseason. And let's 378 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: be honest, my faith wanes in the Baltimore Ravens because 379 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: until I see them do it in the postseason, I 380 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: can't necessarily believe that they're going to do it in 381 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: the whole season. So now I'm looking at a bunch 382 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: of teams that are just kind of all there. So 383 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: you got Atlanta, you get the Buffalo Bills, the Pittsburgh 384 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: still is the Bucks, the Packers and Eagles, the Niners. 385 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say this and DJ, it's hard for 386 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: me to say that I'm gonna say this team can 387 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: go to super Bowl, but I'm gonna say it anyway. 388 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: Let's put it out there. 389 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 2: Uh, let's go with M. 390 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: It's gonna be tough me. I can't believe you're. 391 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: Gonna get heat. I can already tell it you're gonna 392 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 2: get heat. 393 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 3: I believe that I'm gonna say that this team I 394 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 3: think can go all the way. But I'm gonna say this. 395 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 3: Let's go with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as a team. Ooh, 396 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 3: and here's why we're gonna talk about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 397 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: DJ Offensively, even when they have bad games, they still 398 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: light up the scoreboard. Baker Mayfield had a bad game 399 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: against the Newland Saints. They put a fifty broker on 400 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: the Saints. They have found a synergy and a connection 401 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: Liam Cohen and Baker Mayfield to get it going. 402 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 3: The thing that I always can hang my hat on is. 403 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: I know that in a one game scenari i Bulls 404 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: can bring an exotic pressure package that can create chaos. 405 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: When I look at the rest of the contenders, and 406 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: I'm big on the Minnesota Vikings, I worry about the 407 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: quarterback play Sam Donald in terms of big game. 408 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 3: If they can't get the game the right way, can 409 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 3: they do it? 410 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as 411 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: my dark horse to be able to get it done 412 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: because offensively they can put up enough points, but defensively 413 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: they can create chaos with Todd Bowles sending pressure from 414 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: any and everywhere. 415 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: All Right, Yeah, that's bold, man, I love it. I 416 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 2: love it. Be bold. I'm gonna I'm gonna go. I'm 417 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: gonna go Chalk. Then I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go 418 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: San Francisco and say they're just bored. You know, look, 419 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 2: they adit, Christian McCaffrey back, but they're just they're playing 420 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: like a board football team. But you saw defensively, I 421 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: think Bosa what they have seventeen pressures the other day 422 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 2: against Seattle. I mean it was unblockable. So you still 423 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 2: got Bosa, you still got Fred Warner, You've still got 424 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: all those pieces on offense, and then you throw Christian 425 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 2: McCaffrey back in there. I think they're just kind of 426 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: going through the motions a little bit right now, but 427 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, I trust 428 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 2: them more so than any of these other teams outside 429 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 2: of Detroit. I would have Detroit as my favorite, and 430 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: the NFC I'd put San Francisco right behind him. Man. 431 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: I feel bad, man, I feel like we're just discarding 432 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: the Purple people leaders in the Minnesota Viking. 433 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: I still got another pick. You're out, You're done with 434 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 2: the You're done with the NFC. You got two AFCs 435 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: you got to pick, So I've got I've got another spot. 436 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 2: Don't worry, Minnesota, just be patient. 437 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: So now that I was worried, I expressed my concerns 438 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: about the Baltimore Ravens. With this pick, I'll take the 439 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens just because I think the Ravens determine whether 440 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: they go or not. I don't think it has anything 441 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: to do with the opponent. I think the Ravens' biggest 442 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: opponent would be themselves. One can they vanquished the ghosts 443 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: that have passed that have plagued them in the past. 444 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson playing well in the postseason. Derrick Henry's addition 445 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: helps that if he's healthy in the postseason, that gives 446 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: them a different option. I also think that makes them 447 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: continue to run the football because Derrick Henry is on 448 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: the thinking the Todd Monkey can help. Will walk past 449 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: the big fellow in the side and be like, oh, 450 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: by the way, I got to make sure I hand 451 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: it off to him. 452 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 3: So that's the thing. Defensively, Dean piece coming on board. 453 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 3: I do wonder if we see a subtle shift, not 454 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 3: necessarily that Dean Pee takes over to play calling, but 455 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 3: he has a bigger sway, a bigger impact on the 456 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 3: way the defensive game plan is put together. He's been 457 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 3: around for a long time, and John Harbaugh as a 458 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 3: Super Bowl winning coach, He's done this a ton. He 459 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 3: knows how to get his team there. So I'm gonna 460 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 3: go to Baltimore Rakings. 461 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't refuse anything you said there. I'm gonna 462 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 2: end the slide here from Minnesota. They're the other undefeated team. 463 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: So I've got the two undefeated teams here in Casey 464 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: and Minnesota. So I'm feeling great about that. I think 465 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 2: we'll know a lot more about Minnesota after this coming 466 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,239 Speaker 2: week against the Detroit Lions. But see if Sam can 467 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 2: keep it going. He's been excellent and playing through a 468 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 2: little bit of an injury. And then you know, defensively, 469 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 2: they're just fun. That is all you want to talk about, 470 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 2: All gas, no breaks. Robert Salad's line that is that 471 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: is the way they were playing defense in Minnesota. So 472 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: I've got Case Houston in San Francisco, Minnesota, Buck, You've 473 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 2: got Detroit, Tampa, Baltimore with one more pick to go. 474 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:07,959 Speaker 1: So now this is a fun one, right, So this 475 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: is a fun one because there's always a team that 476 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: kind of rises from the depths, that kind of comes 477 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: up and can snatch it. So my initial thing, and 478 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: everyone is always on the Pittsburgh Steelers in terms of 479 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: like they don't get it done in the postseason. They're 480 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: making a controversial move in Russell Wilson to put him 481 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: in the mix, and I know that at first glance, 482 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: you're like, why would they go Russell Wilson, I am saying, 483 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: and I said this, for Russell Wilson, this is a 484 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: gold jacket opportunity. This is an opportunity for him to 485 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: put the Hall of Fame back in his legacy, the 486 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame back in the thing, and if he 487 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: does it in Pittsburgh, they will revere him forever. The 488 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers are just missing the dynamic and consistent play 489 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: at quarterback for them to go to the next level. 490 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: The combination of Justin Fields and Russel Wilson, I think 491 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: can do that. I'm gonna go with Russell Wilson put 492 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: into Pittsburgh Steelers in contention and being able to take 493 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: them over the top because he turns back the clock 494 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: in the postseason and look DJ even when he played 495 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: bad last year, I think he still had four game 496 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: winning drives for fourth quarter comebacks the Pittsburgh Steelers. And 497 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: this comes from a quote from Daniel Jeremiah. When they've 498 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: been good, they've won with strong defense, a running game, 499 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: and magical quarterback play in the fourth quarter. Stroue fourth 500 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: quarter ding ding ding. 501 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 3: Russell Wilson. Let's go to Pittsburgh Steelers as the dark 502 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 3: horse contender. 503 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm calling an audible. I like that. I say 504 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 2: we get one last pick because there's a couple more 505 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 2: interesting teams. I want to get one more because let's 506 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 2: just be our wild card. Let's say this. This is 507 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 2: the rule on this one. You got to pick a 508 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: team with a losing record. 509 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 3: Oh, all right, here we go. 510 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 2: I like that. I'm gonna go with the Cincinnati Bengals. 511 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: Look at this, Look at this all right? Now, we 512 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 2: know what Joe Burrow, when Joe Burrow's right, what that 513 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 2: offense looks like with Jamar chasing company, Right, Te Higgins, 514 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 2: everybody else out over there, we know what that looks like. Right, 515 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 2: let me just show you. They're two and four. Okay, 516 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 2: they're out the gates, inexplicable. They lose the Patriots sixteen 517 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 2: to ten, six point loss. Right. They play the Chiefs, 518 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 2: the undefeated Chiefs. They lose twenty six to twenty five. 519 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 2: They play the first place Commanders, they lose thirty eight 520 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 2: to thirty three. Their other loss is the Ravens forty 521 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 2: one to thirty eight. Like, for all the angst and 522 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: panic out there and their start, they are two and 523 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: four and their losses have all been very competitive. They 524 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 2: are this close to flipping their record. So I'm going 525 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 2: to say the Cincinnati Bengals. They play coming up here, 526 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 2: they have at the Browns. Let's say that gets them 527 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 2: to three and four at home against the Eagles, who 528 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: are beatable. That could get them to five hundred, and 529 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: then they play the Raiders. We could very easily be 530 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: talking about Cincinnati Bengals being over five hundred here before 531 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 2: you can blink. 532 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: Okay, Cincinnati Bengals being the team that can get it done. 533 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: Schedule does play a part in it. We're talking about 534 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: long shots to be able to come from a losing 535 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: record to being able to do it. Well, if I'm 536 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: going to go with that, how can I not take 537 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: the New York Jets in the scenario I have to. 538 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 3: Take the tests. Look, we can talk about the Jets 539 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 3: being paper tigers, we can talk about all of these things. 540 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers hasn't played great. 541 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: I think it's been like twelve games since he's had 542 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: over brind the yard's passing and that stuff. 543 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 3: But here's what I do know. 544 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: It's the combination of not only your team being good, 545 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: but the schedule giving you a break. So when we 546 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: talk about the schedule, yes, they played the Pittsburgh Steelers 547 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: coming up Sunday night, but then dj they played the Patriots, 548 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: the Texans, the Cardinals, the Colts, the Seahawks, the Dolphins, 549 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: the Jags, the Rams, the Bills, and the Dolphins. I 550 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: can squint my eyes and give them eight wins out 551 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: of that list. That gets you to ten. That gets 552 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: you in the tournament. And the thing that we know 553 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: about the tournament is a hot quarterback and a hot 554 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: receiver can get him going. 555 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 2: Didn't like and I just said it. 556 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: We just said it on the last pocket. I said it. 557 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: I didn't really love the Devonte Adams trade because now 558 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: what does it. 559 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 3: Do to my guy, Garrett Wilson. 560 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: Didn't know that Jeff Olbrick was going to come back 561 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,239 Speaker 1: in and say, hey, I've seen this before. This is 562 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: Jerry Rice and Terrell Owens. Now we let him know 563 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: that t O and Jerry Rice aren't the best. 564 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: I understand. I understand what he's getting at. 565 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: It is mentor mentee helping the young fellow find his way. 566 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: If they can stay up and they knocking with, they 567 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: stay healthy, that offensive line, Aaron Rodgers comfort level with 568 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: Devonte Adams makes Devanta Adams the natural number one. It 569 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: creates a greater mismatch for Garrett Wilson being the number two. 570 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: And if they can commit to running the football down 571 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: the stretch with Brayln Allen and Breezeall they're fornerable. The 572 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: defense is good. The defense. Look, you lose Robert Salad, 573 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: but you kept the decordinator in Obrick. That defense, this 574 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: is good enough to get them there. If they get 575 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: into tournament, you don't want to face them, just because 576 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: the prospect of dealing with the four time MVP, who 577 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: at any point can turn back the clock and have 578 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: one of those magical performances, gives them a punch of chance. 579 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 3: Let's put the New York Jets in the conversation. 580 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 2: I like it. I like it. I would. I would 581 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 2: also add, by the way, just looking at schedules and 582 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 2: looking at the team that I cover, the Chargers, buck 583 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: the Chargers, and again they weren't eligible for this. They 584 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 2: have a winning record. 585 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 3: I had them. I had them. 586 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: When I was debating Pittsburgh, I had the Charges right there. 587 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: But I didn't want to feel like Homer, Homer guy, 588 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: because it's your team. 589 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 2: But I know right there, well, I'm looking at him, 590 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 2: and you've got a Monday Night or at Arizona. Then 591 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 2: it's the Saints, then it's the Browns, then it's the Titans. 592 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 3: Got a chance to. 593 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 2: Get on a little run here, and then then it's 594 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 2: the Bengals at home, which would be a good one, 595 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 2: and then it's the Big Hardball Bowl on Monday, November 596 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: twenty fifth. The Ravens come to so far that'll be huge. 597 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 2: I mean they could get the Chargers. Can make this 598 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 2: kind of interesting here as they as they continue to 599 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 2: to kind of feel out and find their way with 600 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 2: the new coaching staff, new schemes, defense, play lights out, 601 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: offenses hasn't spurts, but you know they got some work 602 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: to do there. But man, the schedule lays out quite nicely. 603 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 2: Anything else you want to add before we get out 604 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 2: of here, Buck, as you get ready to get on 605 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: a plane again head back to London. 606 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it should be a lot of fun going overseas, 607 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 3: hopefully to see the Jaguars get a. 608 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: Dub but not. 609 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 3: This is fine, man. 610 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: It was great having that conversation at the beginning and 611 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: then the debates over the contenders. 612 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 3: It's always an interesting. 613 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 2: One last question for me before we get out of here. 614 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: Is it because we were scouts and maybe I shouldn't 615 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 2: include you in this. I don't mind eating lunch by 616 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 2: myself like everybody. My wife just went out with my daughter, 617 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: so I've got it's lunchtime. As were recording this, I 618 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: had no problems, DJ, I have no problem. We're weird. 619 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 3: I have no problem going to the restaurant, going to 620 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 3: the bar, sitting there watching TV, eating again, unbothered. 621 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 2: I have no problem. 622 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 3: That is definitely a scout squirrel? Is that what people? 623 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 2: For sure? I got my phone, I can read articles. 624 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 2: I got some charger stuff I need to do prep wise. 625 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 2: I can read some some articles on the cardinals. I'll 626 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 2: have some sushi in a restaurant. Booth for one, booth 627 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: for one, please for one. 628 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean anytime you've been to Las Cruises, New Mexico 629 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: and you have to go out and eat on your 630 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: on your on your own do yeah, I can do 631 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: it solo. 632 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: I don't bother me at all at all. Yeah. Maybe 633 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: I thought maybe we're weird, but I do think it 634 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 2: is the scouting thing. I don't mind it. I don't 635 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 2: mind it. Let us know, by the way, on uh 636 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: on social media, if that uh, if that's unique to us, 637 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 2: or if you don't mind a little meal alone, all right, 638 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 2: that's gonna do it for I appreciate you guys hanging 639 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: with Us'll see you next time. Right here on move 640 00:29:42,280 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 2: the sticks